Now that would be fabulous! :D
:: -Original Message-
:: From: Adam Haskell
::
:: 4) Open BlueDragon is cool and hip and I think it might ship with
:: muffins.
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Message-
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:13 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
For the last year or so I've been working with the commercial version
BlueDragon for J2EE, which is the version closest to the soon to be released
open
: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 12:11 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:03 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And let me say this.
I tried to install bluedragon.net under vista 64bit, and it screwed
everything up. IIS config files are now malformed
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-Original Message-
From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 12:11 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:03 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:25 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Why use bluedragon instead of just buy coldfusion? Money the issue?
On 4/23/08, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am aware of that Casey.
Just venting my
to the
universe but you may see why I looked at it?
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:25 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Why use bluedragon instead of just buy coldfusion? Money the issue?
On 4/23/08
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Doesn't matter who i am or what my experience is. :)
Just a simple question why would someone buy bluedragon over buying
coldfusion from adobe?
Does bluedragon have any features that make it a more compelling reason to
buy it then coldfusion from adobe?
I'm asking
:-)
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:33 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Doesn't matter who i am or what my experience is. :)
Just a simple question why would someone buy bluedragon over buying
coldfusion
And your online resume proves me right...
Go figure:-)
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:33 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Doesn't matter who i am or what my experience is. :)
Just a simple
this
You're not experienced in the community then, because if you where the
answer is already in you.
Or you are just plain blind?
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:33 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Are you sure?
Think about it, and you may find a different answer.
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I know him a lot better than I know you.
I don't like BD, I
where the
answer is already in you.
Or you are just plain blind?
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:33 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Doesn't matter who i am or what my experience is. :)
Just
applications:-)
Sorry but it was so common sense that you failed to the test:-)
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:33 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Doesn't matter who i am or what my
PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I know him a lot better than I know you.
I don't like BD, I consider it almost a theft. I can assure you, I'm
experienced in the community, even if not necessarily well liked. I'm a
mouthy SOB.
You
Just so anyone else is not confused.
Bill asked a simple question. His experience shows that he is not well
adverse in releasing applications for others to use.
Cyber I have to wonder what crawled up some bodily orifice and died
this morning. Bill was asking a simple question and
What a rude douche. I've read about blue dragon years ago and there was a
major debate. Nobody really said what made it good or bad people just
complained or sung its praises. I was curious if it was the same application
and what makes it worth using other then being less expensive. I didn't know
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:58 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I know i could have googled for what blue dragon is but i asked you and the
community what blue dragon is. The same thing i say everytime someone on the
list says google it.
I put
Thanks Hatton.
I was really just curious about it since I want to explore all options for
my hosting clients. So they have expanded on the base CF function/tag set to
increase functionality and lower the price?
On 4/23/08, C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just so anyone else is not
April 2008 11:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I know him a lot better than I know you.
I don't like BD, I consider it almost a theft. I can assure you, I'm
experienced in the community, even if not necessarily well liked. I'm a
mouthy SOB.
You might have been
-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I know i could have googled for what blue dragon is but i asked you and the
community what blue dragon is. The same thing i say everytime someone on the
list says google it.
I put stock and value in what my friends at CF-community say about
something
Oh,
Btw just cause I do not post that often doesn't make me a once upon a time
either.
I have every email ever posted to this group since it was created...
Just that not everyone has the time to read every message in here...
Considering some of us get around 4K of emails a day, one can't read
I think we just all agree that Andrew is having a bad day, and ignore him
'til he gets some sleep.
Cause it is _late_ where he is. That cannot be good.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:12 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LoL
Next time don't be a dickhead and #$%^ google something.
I really, really hope this was directed to Bill and not Loathe.
Otherwise, I picture someone leaving on a plane this morning for Australia
and waiting impatiently in the Aegeon parking lot.
LOL
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:12 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Want to take it out to the
bwahahahahah
Seriously? You want to go the e-threat route, course you're in
Australia or whatever, so it means shit. Fucking online warrior huh?
Let me know when you're coming to the states bro, we can dance. Till
then carry on with your nonsensical ranting, you're only hurting your
own
I was really just curious about it since I want to explore all options for
my hosting clients. So they have expanded on the base CF function/tag set to
increase functionality and lower the price?
They've added some and not implemented some - you'd need to take a
look at the comparison chart
are still there answer this for me.
How do you put a giraffe in a refrigerator?
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:30 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I really, really hope this was directed to Bill
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:19 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
What a rude douche. I've read about blue dragon years ago and there was a
major debate. Nobody really said what made it good or bad people just
complained or sung its praises. I
OK, are you really Don L?
Cause it is too early for Denstar to be posting, and it wasn't anywhere near
as trippy.
(And the answer is: you don't. Everything knows giraffe turns quickly.
Butcher paper in the freezer is much, much smarter)
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:34 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL
...
End of story.
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:32 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
bwahahahahah
Seriously? You want to go the e-threat route, course you're in
Australia or whatever, so it means shit
Someone else who can't think logically...
I can't believe it, that logical thinking question has been around for 20
odd years.
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:38 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
OK
Wow, you're a fucking nut job.
He didn't say anything against the idea of making your applications
perform across platforms. Didn't say anything against you in the least.
He asked a functionality question. No more no less.
Not everyone requires their applications to run on the other 1%.
attacked.
Good bring it on fuck face:-)
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Wow, you're a fucking nut job.
He didn't say anything against the idea of making your applications
Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I know him a lot better than I know you.
I don't like BD, I consider it almost a theft. I can assure you, I'm
experienced in the community, even
...
What a stupid comment to make.
I am glad I am not a client of yours then...
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Wow, you're a fucking nut job.
He didn't say anything
]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Wow, you're a fucking nut job.
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Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Wow, you're a fucking nut job.
He didn't say anything against the idea of making your applications
perform across platforms. Didn't say anything
(pssst Tim, don't feed the trolls)
Done and over, no insults, no drama, and no making yourself out to be a
fool on one of the most read lists inside our community.
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CyberAngel wrote:
Someone else who can't think logically...
Or somebody who would rather answer your question with humor rather then
logic. Either are valid if you ask me.
I will now return to lurking and enjoying the fireworks being directed
down under.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:25 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Why use bluedragon instead of just buy coldfusion? Money the issue?
On 4/23/08, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am aware of that Casey.
Just venting my frustration
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 1:17 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The BlueDragon Story
Instead of getting into the argument, let me simply answer Bill's question.
I will answer it solely from the point of view of BlueDragon.NET, which is
our preferred CFML platform by far
The application I am working on is and has .Net integration, I had
tested it
with Coldfusion 8 and wanted to test it with BD.Net. Just to make sure
that
it works on both software:-)
Whatever you do, make sure to test them both under a true load.
I think you'll find BlueDragon.NET will
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The BlueDragon Story
The application I am working on is and has .Net integration, I had
tested it
with Coldfusion 8 and wanted to test it with BD.Net. Just to make sure
that
it works on both software:-)
Whatever you do, make sure to test them both under a true load
comment to make.
I am glad I am not a client of yours then...
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Wow, you're a fucking nut job.
He didn't say anything against
: The BlueDragon Story
He asked in the form of a question if you notice, you did just quote it.
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-Original Message-
From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 1:28 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The BlueDragon Story
The application I am working on is and has .Net integration, I had
tested it
with Coldfusion 8 and wanted to test it with BD.Net. Just
point stands.
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 1:16 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
IE 6+ and FF, lynx and screen readers.
However we're talking apples and oranges now. Client side technology
vs. server
that into consideration before making themselves just
as
bad as Bill...
If that makes me angry you damn well better believe it
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 1:04 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
He asked
To paraphrase from Billy Madison We are all dumber for having read that
LOL.
It's like watching the really drunk guy in the bar.
I can't turn away.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:50 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well my response is this.
I am going to take my own advice, and ignore Mr Scott for the rest of the
day.
But, WOW. Someone needs to cut back a little on the caffeine.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:53 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am a fucking nut job?
]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:15 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Just so anyone else is not confused.
Bill asked a simple question. His experience shows that he is not well
adverse in releasing applications for others to use.
Cyber I have to wonder what
I'm just happy it's not me for once.
Jerry Johnson wrote:
To paraphrase from Billy Madison We are all dumber for having read that
LOL.
It's like watching the really drunk guy in the bar.
I can't turn away.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:50 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well
it
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 1:04 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
He asked in the form of a question if you notice, you did just quote
dude, andrew's known on many a mailing list for being an ass. by
engaging him, you're really only fueling his own mental masturbation.
you'll keep making points, and he'll keep being a condescending prick.
take jerry's advice here. don't even waste your energy trying.
you've definitely got
You're an idiot...
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 1:37 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
And we're back.
Where'd you go there ol' buddy?
Find your happy place?
CyberAngel wrote:
Actually don't need
Scott,
Did someone pee in your wheaties this morning?
Here, have a beautiful, warm from the oven, apple spice muffin.
Erika
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...
Pity. People like this exist
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Wow, you're a fucking nut job
-Original Message-
From: CyberAngel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:47 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The BlueDragon Story
Just so anyone else is not confused.
Bill asked a simple question. His experience shows that he is not well
adverse
be used to that. I guess not!!!
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:24 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Wow, wtf?
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To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I know i could have googled for what blue dragon is but i asked you and
the
community what blue dragon is. The same thing i say everytime someone on
the
list says google it.
I put stock and value in what my friends at CF-community say about
Hey, at least when this is all over, you will still be respected ;)
- Original Message -
From: Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I'm just happy it's not me for once
Thanks for taking the time to respond rationaly to my question hatton. I'm
taking a look at it now. I have the courage to admit i don't know everything
in the world so i never really looked at BD.
We have 30+ servers we need to upgrade from earlier version of CF so i am
definately going to look
/me points finger at message
I know more acronyms than you!
Neener neener neener!
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:00 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I would also guess you don't adopt scrum or even agile approaches. I
would bet my bottom dollar you wouldn't even adopt TDD
And I
this for me.
How do you put a giraffe in a refrigerator?
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:30 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I really, really hope this was directed to Bill and not Loathe
-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:19 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
What a rude douche. I've read about blue dragon years ago and there was a
major debate. Nobody really said what made it good or bad people just
MUFFINS!!
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Erika L. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott,
Did someone pee in your wheaties this morning?
Here, have a beautiful, warm from the oven, apple spice muffin.
Erika
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:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:32 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
bwahahahahah
Seriously? You want to go the e-threat route, course you're in
Australia or whatever, so it means shit. Fucking online warrior huh?
Let me know when you're coming
: Re: The BlueDragon Story
OK, are you really Don L?
Cause it is too early for Denstar to be posting, and it wasn't anywhere
near
as trippy.
(And the answer is: you don't. Everything knows giraffe turns quickly.
Butcher paper in the freezer is much, much smarter)
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Wow, you're a fucking nut job.
He didn't say anything against the idea of making your applications
perform across platforms. Didn't say anything against you in the least
Why use bluedragon instead of just buy coldfusion? Money the issue?
Definitely for a non profit, the cost of 6 licenses for BlueDragon for J2EE
plus a two year support contract worked about to be less than a quarter of the
cost of CFMX 8 Enterprise without the support contract.
And unless
Now children lets quit the pissing contest and try to get along or I'm sending
both of you to separate corners for the rest of the play period.
um sorry been around the 3 year old too much lately.
--
That said, I've been running CF7 Enterprise and BlueDragon 7 for J2EE side by
side for almost
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:33 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Doesn't matter who i am or what my experience is. :)
Just a simple question why would someone buy bluedragon over buying
coldfusion from adobe?
Does bluedragon have any
.
I just wanted you to think about your question for a bit.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 3:09 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
At this moment after reading this thread i'd have to snap its neck and legs
April 2008 3:12 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
I asked what are the pros of blue dragon compared to coldfusion. I didn't
put down your choices or your work on BD. It was a simple question. Re-read
the thread i havent said anything about BD.
Perhaps you are mistaking me
-Original Message-
From: CyberAngel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:16 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The BlueDragon Story
Bill,
Your question may have all intent good purposes, but it was very narrow
in
your thinking.
I just wanted you
Actually Bill.
I thought you might have a logical answer, to do a google search would be
like copying the answer from you left/right?
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 3:17 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon
Damn, I thought we got heated in the political discussions.
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:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 3:14 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The BlueDragon Story
Dude you use BD i said what do you think of it? What do you think of it
compared to adobe CF.
Now you go off on some rant how i don't think outside the box.
On 4/23/08, CyberAngel [EMAIL
I know I might be partial since I am on the Steering Committee but if you
haven't read Alan Williamson's Interview where he talks about how BlueDragon
came to be it is really in interesting read.
http://alan.blog-city.com/interview_alanwilliamson.htm
Adam Haskell
Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 11:59 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: The BlueDragon Story
I know I might be partial since I am on the Steering Committee but if you
haven't read Alan Williamson's Interview where he talks about how BlueDragon
came to be it is really
For the last year or so I've been working with the commercial version
BlueDragon for J2EE, which is the version closest to the soon to be released
open source version. I've had no problems with it, it just works. Take the war
file, add whatever cfm html or image files etc to the war and drop it
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:03 AM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And let me say this.
I tried to install bluedragon.net under vista 64bit, and it screwed
everything up. IIS config files are now malformed, no IIS set previously
setup works anymore.
I know it is a good product, but
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