Coo on 1st agreement.
Yes, you are right. The CSS is not broken. Fix is used very loosely, as is
hack in my vocab.
I have been leaving too many blanket statements (which is what I told
someone else not to do so I'm am 100% guilty there). I don't know...bug not
found really means IE 6 does not
John C. Bland II
Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering something
right?
Of course. If you find a bug you report it. How else do bugs get fixed, by
bashing the vendor on #1337?
That is definitely not a bug.
So how would you call it if a browser does not render a
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
He was being sarcastic, that was obvious.
that is not a bug, that is a feature - IE rendering of some CSS Level 1 core
stuff (btw, the MS homepage still claims that IE 6 has Full CSS Level 1
Support
On 9/30/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote
He was being sarcastic, that was obvious.
Then John C. Bland II wrote
Apparently not. ;-)
and the text in question from Jochem:
So next time I find an issue where for instance a bug in IE results in
incorrect rendering, I can just call and I get a
In fact, the only company that does worse is Blackboard
So very true.
M!ke
~|
Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting,
up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door
Oh man, this is one of the reasons I don't like replying on big lists. I
have to explain every detail or I get flamed by someone.
Duh, the rendering engine does not render everything properly and the
community has found the necessary hacks to work around them. Did you think I
was talking about 5
Read my last post in response. I explain.
On 10/1/06, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John C. Bland II
Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering
something
right?
Of course. If you find a bug you report it. How else do bugs get fixed, by
bashing the
Phillip,
Well written. I agree 100%.
John
-Original Message-
From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Steve,
Let me start by saying I have been with CF since 1996.
I've
with IE since there is a
hack available... That's frequin delusional. :-)
-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Oh man, this is one of the reasons I don't like
John C. Bland II wrote:
Duh, the rendering engine does not render everything properly and the
community has found the necessary hacks to work around them. Did you think I
was talking about 5 years ago or now?
You were talking about a specific phone call I made in the past. If you don't
know
(responded offlist; this post is pretty much dead and no need to fill up
everyone's inbox)
On 10/1/06, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John C. Bland II wrote:
Duh, the rendering engine does not render everything properly and the
community has found the necessary hacks to work
:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Oh man, this is one of the reasons I don't like replying on big lists. I
have to explain every detail or I get flamed by someone.
Duh, the rendering engine does not render everything properly and the
community has found the necessary
CSS developers aren't considered such unless they can make
things work cross-browser. Would you agree?
Agreed, no arguments there.
Even if you
don't, that is my take. I won't hire anyone for XHTML/CSS
unless they can work cross-browser. So, again...fix your CSS.
This is where we differ
I def' agree that learning .NET is not an easy task. If you know JS,
Actionscript, Java, etc (an ECMA language) picking up C# won't be too
difficult. Learning all of the libraries in .NET is simply an astounding
task but once you know ASP.NET you're golden for all things ASP.NET. CF
developers can
Exhibitions.
Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Sep 30 07:49:01 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I def' agree that learning .NET is not an easy task. If you know JS,
Actionscript, Java, etc (an ECMA
Exhibitions.
Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Sep 30 07:49:01 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I def' agree that learning .NET is not an easy task. If you know JS,
Actionscript, Java, etc (an ECMA
this
communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions.
Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: Snake
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Sep 30 11:30:42 2006
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Personally I just use BlueDragon, which means I can call
within this
communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions.
Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: Snake
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Sep 30 11:30:42 2006
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Personally I just use BlueDragon, which means I
this
communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions.
Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: Snake
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Sep 30 14:22:10 2006
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
You can develop .NET in many languages, I do not think
(RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 September 2006 14:56
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
No I mean, using CFML in BD.NET is not really developing .NET, it's
ColdFusion which just happens to be using .NET. Just like developing
ColdFusion on Adobe ColdFusion
?
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 September 2006 14:56
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
No I mean, using CFML in BD.NET is not really developing .NET, it's
ColdFusion which just happens to be using .NET
have antyhing against .NET, and if I were not a CF
developer I would most likely be doing .NET anyway, I think it's a great
framework.
Russ Snake Michaels
-Original Message-
From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 September 2006 16:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET
: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 September 2006 16:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
This CF vs. .Net presentation mailing thread has been in active contribution
most of the past week. I have seen heated debates and acknowledgements on
both sides.
In essence
at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: Tom Kitta
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Sep 30 17:05:55 2006
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Teddy,
Maybe we can take this thread and make it more useful by showing strengths
of both technologies, how they can interact, how we can
@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Indeed, we are an global Microsoft house and we use ColdFusion, and ASP,
and
..NET.. We don't care to be honest.. Whatever fits.
This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant
Job security just does not exist much anymore, which is why it's important
to know more than CF.
- Matt Small
Really Matt?
Its kept me employed for 7 years, and the two companies I own which
specialise in CF are still doing very well.
--
Russ
the conversation more mailing list
administrator friendly (I think).
TK
-Original Message-
From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 September 2006 16:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
This CF vs. .Net presentation mailing thread has been in active
Matthew Small wrote:
One of the biggest things that can be said about MS products is that
they are supported, constantly.
IIRC the only web development language of any significance ever deprecated by
its vendor was ASP.
But even better, we have professional support for the little guy. When
Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering something
right? That is definitely not a bug. IE has a rendering engine. CSS
developers know what it can and can't handle. If you did something it can't
handle, tough cookies. Fix your CSS...not IE. lol.
Sorry man, that just seemed
]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
That's just wrong. Over 99% of our support is not about bugs in the
products we have, it's about how people are using them. I can't count the
number of people who can't configure permissions
I don't have access to a solaris box, but I will install one if necessary.
Do you have an actual code sample?
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Russ here
Sent: Sat Sep 30 22:15:40 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering something
right? That is definitely not a bug. IE has a rendering engine. CSS
developers know what it can and can't handle. If you did something it can't
handle
our website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Sep 30 22:15:40 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering something
right? That is definitely not a bug. IE has
Hi,
Have any of you done a presentation to justify using CF over .NET? A friend of
mine just got a big contract, but the owner wants it to be done in .NET. My
friend is trying to convince him to let him do it in CF. If you have done a
similar presentation, would you please give us some
You don't even need to make that choice any more.
You can use BlueDragon then your doing both. Developing in CFML on the .net
platform.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Johnny Le [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 September 2006 12:48
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Hi
This has never failed to work for me:
Slide 1: .NET is a pile of poo!
Slide 2: CF is wonderful!!!
The End.
;)
Alternatively, you could go for the both option, with BlueDragon.NET
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm
Hi,
Have any of you done a presentation to justify
BlueDragon beta 7 was just released.
On 9/29/06, Peter Boughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This has never failed to work for me:
Slide 1: .NET is a pile of poo!
Slide 2: CF is wonderful!!!
The End.
;)
Alternatively, you could go for the both option, with BlueDragon.NET
Windows® 2000, Windows XP, and the forthcoming
Windows Server 2003.
That all you need!!
- Original Message -
From: Peter Boughton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
This has never
You'd have to update that a bit - Windows Server 2003 was 'upcoming'
about four years ago :-)
-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 September 2006 13:18
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Coldfusion
Web Server Support
Supports
funnyI guess MS is lagging behind a little.
Doug
- Original Message -
From: David Low [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
You'd have to update that a bit - Windows Server 2003
Microsoft WindowsR 2000, Windows XP, and the forthcoming
Windows Server 2003.
That all you need!!
- Original Message -
From: Peter Boughton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
This has never
: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Coldfusion
Web Server Support
Supports IIS, Sun ONE, Netscape IPlanet, and Apache.
Operating System Support
Supports Windows, Linux, Solaris, and HP-UX.
Net
Web Server Support
Supports IIS and Covalent's commercial version of Apache 2.0.
Operating System
: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
That's only really useful if you want to run on anything other windows. The
fact that they want to use .NET I presume means they like windows.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 September 2006 13:18
To: CF-Talk
]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Coldfusion
Web Server Support
Supports IIS, Sun ONE, Netscape IPlanet, and Apache.
Operating System Support
Supports Windows, Linux, Solaris, and HP-UX.
...Net
Web Server Support
Supports IIS
that the programmers knowledge of both is equal.
Steve Brownlee
http://www.fusioncube.net/
-Original Message-
From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Is the argument that development in CF
But
you don't have to pay for .NET functionality if you don't use
CF or BlueDragon, right?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
You don't even need to make
PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge in
development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since the days of
original ASP. Now that ASP.NET has a top-notch visual
On 9/29/06, Johnny Le [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Have any of you done a presentation to justify using CF over .NET? A friend
of mine just got a big contract, but the owner wants it to be done in .NET.
My friend is trying to convince him to let him do it in CF. If you have done
a
Unfortunately, I can see the writing on the wall for CF unless Adobe
adopts a DRAMATIC pricing reduction strategy. Plain and simply put, with
..NET and Mono in the market, CF can no longer increase market share
whilst continuing to maintain / increase their pricing. They're not the
only game in
If you include the cost of our database infrastructure (which is used
for mutiple purposes), our Sun based Oracle/Solaris/CF architecture
cost maybe $1,000,000. What's a few thousand in that for CF? Nothing
compared to the benefits we get. Not everyone runs small shops where a
CF license is a
user experience
improvements through the various CF versions.
A good discussion to have on a Friday...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Steve,
Let me
: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Steve,
Let me start by saying I have been with CF since 1996.
I've recently learned .NET via C# as well. The resemblance of C# to Java is
remarkable which made the learning curve much faster for me. However, I
support SSL (but I'm sure I can find a way around
that using apache if I had to).
You can't say the same about .NET.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations
?
I thought that Myspace has been about the largest web application in the
world for the last couple of years.
-Original Message-
From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Steve,
Let
: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Personally, I tried to learn .NET a few times, but it seemed
pretty backward
to me, and I have a MS in CS. I'm sure if I really needed to, I
could learn
===
-Original Message-
From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge in
development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since
===
-Original Message-
From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge in
development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since
that is still here and slowly being replaced.
All I am saying, the sky isn't falling people.
-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I thought that Myspace has been about
?
Have you purchased a J2EE server recently? Know how much they cost?
-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Loathe, can you store that session data
This topic has come up every 2 months since before there even was an Asp. But
it's off topic for this technical list. Please move any responses over to the
CF-OT (ColdFusion off topic) list, CF-Community (where it will be ridiculed) or
even to CF-Jobs-Talk or Biz-Dev (Business Development).
rant
-- Phil
=
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:02 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I don't think I could disagree more.
I've been around the CF community for a few minutes now, and I see
can't say the same about .NET, what
did you mean?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Personally, I tried to learn .NET a few times, but it seemed pretty backward
to me
: Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Yes I can it's called wddx.
My own session handler? Why would I, they wrote one for me. If I needed
more than what it offered I could extend my
vs. .NET presentations?
This topic has come up every 2 months since before there even was an Asp.
But it's off topic for this technical list. Please move any responses over
to the CF-OT (ColdFusion off topic) list, CF-Community (where it will be
ridiculed) or even to CF-Jobs-Talk or Biz
===
-Original Message-
From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge in
development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since
Any stats on how many one-man or two-man shops, etc,
are using CF?
I'd like to know the breakdown...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
It does that's for sure
-
From: John C. Bland II
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Sep 29 17:42:44 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Dude, you are arguing just to argue. lol. Calm down a bit.
WDDX? Are you serious? :-D I wish my laughing emoticon worked here. lol.
There are tons of reasons why you may want to write
Sign up on CF-Talk if you would.
I'd like to continue this.
-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Dude, you are arguing just to argue. lol. Calm down a bit
29, 2006 12:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Thanks for the comments, Russ.
I guess I need to look at BD's site again...I checked out their
offerings when the announcement of the latest version hit the
list yesterday, but didn't see a free version...I would
of
loading the db server on every request.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Dude, you are arguing just to argue. lol. Calm down a bit.
WDDX
It was on BSD at one point, but they may have thrown that aside.
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
ASP.NET is OS independent
Erm, AFAIK
On 9/29/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with your bottom-line, John, that it's mostly
a matter of money...free vs. $1200, minimum.
For me, it's not so much about functionality...I'm still
building websites and apps on CF 4.5 as fast as I can
program them...and I've still
Loathe, can you store that session data in a database with
ease? If so, what database? Can you write your own session
handler that integrates with the CF session handler?
Yes, any, yes. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by integration, though,
so you might want to provide more specific
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Dude, you are arguing just to argue. lol. Calm down a bit.
WDDX? Are you serious? :-D I wish my laughing emoticon worked here. lol.
There are tons of reasons why you may want to write your own session
handler
OR just write a new
Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in
.NET still valid - when comparing latest to latest - anyone
expert on say Asp.Net ...
I think this largely depends on your background. Visual Studio.NET does a
very good job of making web application development seem to work like
bridge (like JDBC). DB hits to MS SQL are going
to naturally be faster.
--Phil
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
There are a few lines that you can add to CF config files
I meant community, sorry.
-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I'm already on it. I'll respond once the convo moves over.
On 9/29/06, loathe [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I imagine it will be the same with ASP.
DB Session handling in ASP.NET is a native functionality of .NET which you
flip the setting in the web.config file and setup your SQL DB that handles
PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I imagine it will be the same with ASP.
DB Session handling in ASP.NET is a native functionality of .NET which you
flip the setting in the web.config file and setup your SQL DB that handles
only those requests...the process and DB hit
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Also the JDBC-ODBC bridge is not used when talking to SQL server. I'm not
sure what the performance difference is between JDBC and ODBC, maybe
someone
can pitch in here.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Phillip B. Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL
Remember ADO needs no ODBC bridge (like JDBC). DB hits to MS
SQL are going to naturally be faster.
The DataDirect MS SQL driver used by CF is a type 4 JDBC driver. It doesn't
use ODBC. I suspect that the ADO driver may well be faster, but I don't know
if it's enough faster to make a
and
make more CF jobs for everyone :)
--Phil
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
You still need some sort of central DB server, so it's still putting extra
load on a server
Correct. But my main point was not for a onesey twosey
environment / shop.
It's the big sites that have 30+ boxes. An extra MS SQL read
is a lot less than 6k per box (example: $180,000.00 vs. an
extra SQL read 5,000.00 or so).
You know, the big sites don't necessarily scale out, they also
the $1300 I paid to Allaire many years ago...)
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
On 9/29/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with your
(Mike, sorry...seems to have a mind of its own. There is some technical talk
in Dave's post and mine, here, as well.)
Dude, what a long post. lol. I'll try to make sure I respond accordingly.
:-)
What I mean by integrate is more-so an extending. Without knowing Java, can
you handle that with
Actually, .net developers, for a comparable skill level, are usually
cheaper than their cf counterparts.
I know that because we are out-sourcing cf development like crazy (11
external developers at the moment, I think, and more coming), and we
have to justify the added cost each project.
Still
Dave, I've always stood by that ASP.NET without Visual Studio is lacking. VS
is the no doubt the major selling point here. Using Notepad would only be
for the seasoned developer.
On 9/29/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in
.NET
: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Hi,
Have any of you done a presentation to justify using CF over .NET? A
friend of mine just got a big contract, but the owner wants it to be
done in .NET. My friend is trying to convince him to let him do it in
CF
not much harder then doing it in ASP. CF just gives you more
options.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Phillip B. Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I imagine it will be the same with ASP
(but I'm sure I can find a way around
that using apache if I had to).
You can't say the same about .NET.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations
C. Bland II
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Sep 29 19:31:29 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Dave, I've always stood by that ASP.NET without Visual Studio is lacking. VS
is the no doubt the major selling point here. Using Notepad would only be
for the seasoned developer.
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From: John C. Bland II
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Sep 29 19:31:29 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Dave, I've always stood by that ASP.NET without Visual Studio is lacking.
VS
29, 2006 2:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Well you would seriously struggle to develop in .NET without it.
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I'm not sure if it's even possible. Doesn't .NET compile
components to dll's? You can do that from notepad. At the
minimum you would need some kind of JDK.
The .NET Framework SDK includes a compiler, and it's available as a free
download. In addition, there are several useful tools other
of JDK.
Russ
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson-
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Well you would seriously struggle to develop in .NET without
What I mean by integrate is more-so an extending. Without
knowing Java, can you handle that with ease (being the key
part)? Also, can a non-advanced user do it? (another key part)
No, probably not. However, learning CF and Java seems to be about the same
amount of work as learning .NET. In
Sorry to chime in late, and after Mike said not to... I haven't been on this
list in a long time either. However, this isn't about .NET vs. CF. It's to
respond to Dave's comments.
I know that Dave works in the DC area (please correct me if I'm wrong) and DC
is strong into CF with all of the
Well put. A lil' defensive (understandably) but well put.
On 9/29/06, Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry to chime in late, and after Mike said not to... I haven't been on
this list in a long time either. However, this isn't about .NET vs.
CF. It's to respond to Dave's comments.
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Sorry to chime in late, and after Mike said not to... I haven't been on
this list in a long time either. However, this isn't about .NET vs. CF.
It's to respond to Dave's
Before I get started, I should probably again state that I do like quite a
few Microsoft products. And, I'm not trying to be combative. But anyway ...
I know that Dave works in the DC area (please correct me if
I'm wrong) and DC is strong into CF with all of the
government agencies. That's
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