Coo on 1st agreement.
Yes, you are right. The CSS is not broken. Fix is used very loosely, as is
hack in my vocab.
I have been leaving too many blanket statements (which is what I told
someone else not to do so I'm am 100% guilty there). "I don't know...bug not
found" really means IE 6 does not p
> CSS developers aren't considered such unless they can make
> things work cross-browser. Would you agree?
Agreed, no arguments there.
> Even if you
> don't, that is my take. I won't hire anyone for XHTML/CSS
> unless they can work cross-browser. So, again...fix your CSS.
This is where we dif
ince there is a
> hack available... That's frequin delusional. :-)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:20 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> Oh man, th
(responded offlist; this post is pretty much dead and no need to fill up
everyone's inbox)
On 10/1/06, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John C. Bland II wrote:
> > Duh, the rendering engine does not render everything properly and the
> > community has found the necessary hacks to w
John C. Bland II wrote:
> Duh, the rendering engine does not render everything properly and the
> community has found the necessary hacks to work around them. Did you think I
> was talking about 5 years ago or now?
You were talking about a specific phone call I made in the past. If you don't
know
I could
agree. But to assert that it's not a bug/problem with IE since there is a
hack available... That's frequin delusional. :-)
-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NE
Phillip,
Well written. I agree 100%.
John
> -Original Message-
> From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> Steve,
>
> Let me start by saying I h
Read my last post in response. I explain.
On 10/1/06, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John C. Bland II
> > Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering
> something
> > right?
>
> Of course. If you find a bug you report it. How else do bugs get fixed, by
> bashi
Oh man, this is one of the reasons I don't like replying on big lists. I
have to explain every detail or I get "flamed" by someone.
Duh, the rendering engine does not render everything properly and the
community has found the necessary hacks to work around them. Did you think I
was talking about 5
"In fact, the only company that does worse is Blackboard"
So very true.
M!ke
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On 9/30/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote
> He was being sarcastic, that was obvious.
Then John C. Bland II wrote
>Apparently not. ;-)
and the text in question from Jochem:
> So next time I find an issue where for instance a bug in IE results in
> incorrect rendering, I can just call and I ge
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> He was being sarcastic, that was obvious.
"that is not a bug, that is a feature" -> IE rendering of some CSS Level 1 core
stuff (btw, the MS homepage still claims that IE 6 has "Full CSS Level 1
Support"
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie6/evaluation/feat
John C. Bland II
> Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering something
> right?
Of course. If you find a bug you report it. How else do bugs get fixed, by
bashing the vendor on #1337?
> That is definitely not a bug.
So how would you call it if a browser does not render
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> -Original Message-----
> From: John C. Bland II
> To: CF-Talk
> Sent: Sat Sep 30 22:15:40 2006
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NE
II
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Sep 30 22:15:40 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering something
right? That is definitely not a bug. IE has a rendering engine. CSS
developers know what it can and can't handle. If you did something
I don't have access to a solaris box, but I will install one if necessary.
Do you have an actual code sample?
Russ
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET pres
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> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:49 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> That's just wrong. Over 99% of our support is not about bugs in the
> products we have, it's about how people are using them. I can
Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering something
right? That is definitely not a bug. IE has a rendering engine. CSS
developers know what it can and can't handle. If you did something it can't
handle, tough cookies. Fix your CSS...not IE. lol.
Sorry man, that just seemed
Matthew Small wrote:
> One of the biggest things that can be said about MS products is that
> they are supported, constantly.
IIRC the only web development language of any significance ever deprecated by
its vendor was ASP.
> But even better, we have professional support for the little guy. Wh
websites etc. At least this would make the conversation more mailing list
> administrator friendly (I think).
>
> TK
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 30 September 2006 16:11
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presen
> Job security just does not exist much anymore, which is why it's important
to know more than CF.
> - Matt Small
Really Matt?
Its kept me employed for 7 years, and the two companies I own which
specialise in CF are still doing very well.
--
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Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
> Indeed, we are an global Microsoft house and we use ColdFusion, and ASP,
> and
> ..NET.. We don't care to be honest.. Whatever fits.
>
>
>
>
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From: Tom Kitta
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Sep 30 17:05:55 2006
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Teddy,
Maybe we can take this thread and make it more useful by showing strengths
of both technologies, how they can inter
: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 September 2006 16:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
This CF vs. .Net presentation mailing thread has been in active contribution
most of the past week. I have seen heated debates and acknowledgements on
both sides.
In essence
personally have antyhing against .NET, and if I were not a CF
developer I would most likely be doing .NET anyway, I think it's a great
framework.
Russ "Snake" Michaels
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From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 September 2006 16:11
To: CF-Talk
erence between that and writing .NET
> in cobol?
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 30 September 2006 14:56
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> No I mean, using CFML
(RX)
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Sent: 30 September 2006 14:56
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
No I mean, using CFML in BD.NET is not really developing .NET, it's
ColdFusion which just happens to be using .NET. Just like developing
ColdFusion on Adobe ColdFusion i
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Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
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Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Personally I just use BlueDrag
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From: John C. Bland II
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Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I def' agree that learning .NET is not an easy task. If you know JS,
Actionscript
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From: John C. Bland II
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Sent: Sat Sep 30 07:49:01 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I def' agree that learning .NET is not an easy task. If you know JS,
Actionscript
I def' agree that learning .NET is not an easy task. If you know JS,
Actionscript, Java, etc (an ECMA language) picking up C# won't be too
difficult. Learning all of the libraries in .NET is simply an astounding
task but once you know ASP.NET you're golden for all things ASP.NET. CF
developers can
ould like an example of CF/Java code that causes a memory
> leak.
>
> Russ
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:30 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
, but you asked for a CF example,
TK
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From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
If CF is deployed on Linux, half of your support would not be needed. If
you want to write some custom
o point out that MS is heavy
into enterprise because, as someone pointed out, it's an end-to-end
solution. Their stuff all works together, and if it doesn't, we fix it.
- Matt
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From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent:
Before I get started, I should probably again state that I do like quite a
few Microsoft products. And, I'm not trying to be combative. But anyway ...
> I know that Dave works in the DC area (please correct me if
> I'm wrong) and DC is strong into CF with all of the
> government agencies. That'
; From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:30 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> Sorry to chime in late, and after Mike said not to... I haven't been on
> this list in a long time either. However, this i
Well put. A lil' defensive (understandably) but well put.
On 9/29/06, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry to chime in late, and after Mike said not to... I haven't been on
> this list in a long time either. However, this isn't about .NET vs.
> CF. It's to respond to Dave's comment
Sorry to chime in late, and after Mike said not to... I haven't been on this
list in a long time either. However, this isn't about .NET vs. CF. It's to
respond to Dave's comments.
I know that Dave works in the DC area (please correct me if I'm wrong) and DC
is strong into CF with all of the g
> What I mean by integrate is more-so an extending. Without
> knowing Java, can you handle that with ease (being the key
> part)? Also, can a non-advanced user do it? (another key part)
No, probably not. However, learning CF and Java seems to be about the same
amount of work as learning .NET. In
pad. At the minimum you would need some
> kind of JDK.
>
> Russ
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:41 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject
> I'm not sure if it's even possible. Doesn't .NET compile
> components to dll's? You can do that from notepad. At the
> minimum you would need some kind of JDK.
The .NET Framework SDK includes a compiler, and it's available as a free
download. In addition, there are several useful tools othe
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> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:41 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> Well you would seriously struggle to develop in .NET without it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: John C. Bland II
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> Sent: Fri Sep
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From: John C. Bland II
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Sep 29 19:31:29 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Dave, I've always stood by that ASP.NET without Visual Studio is lacking. VS
is the no doubt the major selling point here. Using Notepad would only be
for the seasoned developer.
O
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> > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:15 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
> >
> > Hi, Phil...
> >
> > I share your sentiments concerning CF and
es, and tell JRUN to store session info in the
> db, so it's not much harder then doing it in ASP. CF just gives you more
> options.
>
> Russ
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Phillip B. Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, Septembe
Johnny:
Now you see the inherent dangers in even mentioning another technology
on this list. It always gets blown out of proportion and off-topic.
I'll keep it short and sweet.
Dave Carabetta's response was the most helpful for giving you a
resource:
http://www.buntel.com/docs/top5reason
Dave, I've always stood by that ASP.NET without Visual Studio is lacking. VS
is the no doubt the major selling point here. Using Notepad would only be
for the seasoned developer.
On 9/29/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in
> > .
Actually, .net developers, for a comparable skill level, are usually
cheaper than their cf counterparts.
I know that because we are out-sourcing cf development like crazy (11
external developers at the moment, I think, and more coming), and we
have to justify the added cost each project.
Still no
(Mike, sorry...seems to have a mind of its own. There is some technical talk
in Dave's post and mine, here, as well.)
Dude, what a long post. lol. I'll try to make sure I respond accordingly.
:-)
What I mean by integrate is more-so an extending. Without knowing Java, can
you handle that with ease
e $1300...(and yes, Adobe has benefitted from
the $1300 I paid to Allaire many years ago...)
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
On 9/29/06, Rick Faircloth &
> Correct. But my main point was not for a onesey twosey
> environment / shop.
> It's the big sites that have 30+ boxes. An extra MS SQL read
> is a lot less than 6k per box (example: $180,000.00 vs. an
> extra SQL read 5,000.00 or so).
You know, the big sites don't necessarily scale out, they
share and
make more CF jobs for everyone :)
--Phil
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From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
You still need some sort of central DB server, so it's still putting extra
load o
> Remember ADO needs no ODBC bridge (like JDBC). DB hits to MS
> SQL are going to naturally be faster.
The DataDirect MS SQL driver used by CF is a type 4 JDBC driver. It doesn't
use ODBC. I suspect that the ADO driver may well be faster, but I don't know
if it's enough faster to make a significa
48 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> Also the JDBC-ODBC bridge is not used when talking to SQL server. I'm not
> sure what the performance difference is between JDBC and ODBC, maybe
> someone
> can pitch in here.
>
> Russ
>
> >
ber 29, 2006 1:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> >I imagine it will be the same with ASP.
>
> DB Session handling in ASP.NET is a native functionality of .NET which you
> flip the setting in the web.config file and setup your SQL DB that handl
p B. Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> >I imagine it will be the same with ASP.
>
> DB Session handling in ASP.NET is a native functionality of .NET which you
> flip the
I meant community, sorry.
> -Original Message-
> From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:11 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> I'm already on it. I'll respond once the convo move
DBC bridge (like JDBC). DB hits to MS SQL are going
to naturally be faster.
--Phil
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From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
There are a few lines that you can add to CF config files
> Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in
> .NET still valid - when comparing latest to latest - anyone
> expert on say Asp.Net ...
I think this largely depends on your background. Visual Studio.NET does a
very good job of making web application development seem to work like
tr
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> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:43 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
> >
> > Dude, you are arguing just to argue. lol. Calm down a bit.
> >
> > WDDX? Are you serious? :-D I wish my laughing emoticon
> Loathe, can you store that session data in a database with
> ease? If so, what database? Can you write your own session
> handler that integrates with the CF session handler?
Yes, any, yes. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "integration", though,
so you might want to provide more specific
On 9/29/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree with your bottom-line, John, that it's mostly
> a matter of money...free vs. $1200, minimum.
>
> For me, it's not so much about functionality...I'm still
> building websites and apps on CF 4.5 as fast as I can
> program them...and I've
It was on BSD at one point, but they may have thrown that aside.
> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
>
> "AS
loading the db server on every request.
Russ
> -Original Message-
> From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> Dude, you are arguing just to argue.
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:36 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> Thanks for the comments, Russ.
>
>
>
> I guess I need to look at BD's site again...I checked out their
> offerings when the announcement of the
Sign up on CF-Talk if you would.
I'd like to continue this.
> -Original Message-
> From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
> Dude, you are arguin
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-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Sep 29 17:42:44 2006
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Dude, you are arguing just to argue. lol. Calm down a bit.
WDDX? Are you serious? :-D I wish my laughing emoticon worked here. lol.
There are tons of reasons
Any stats on how many "one-man" or "two-man" shops, etc,
are using CF?
I'd like to know the breakdown...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
price tag, drastically. If CF was
free (for example), there wouldn't be much of a complaint by any of the
other religious .net'ers, php'ers, etc. Price is the biggest problem in CF.
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From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk&
Hey, sorry Mike. I didn't know this was getting run to the ground. I
should've guessed though.
I'll refrain from responding here.
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From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Friday, September
uing for no reason.
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From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
> Yes I can it's called wddx.
>
> My own session handler? Why would I, they
h Apache.
When you wrote "You can't say the same about .NET", what
did you mean?
Rick
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From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Personally, I tried to learn .NET a f
esults&s_kw=.NET+C%23&s_city=&s_jcid=
That doesn't even include VB.NET, J++, etc and so on.
-- Phil
=>
-Original Message-----
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:02 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presenta
This topic has come up every 2 months since before there even was an Asp. But
it's off topic for this technical list. Please move any responses over to the
CF-OT (ColdFusion off topic) list, CF-Community (where it will be ridiculed) or
even to CF-Jobs-Talk or Biz-Dev (Business Development). It's
ENTERPRISE" solution?
Have you purchased a J2EE server recently? Know how much they cost?
> -Original Message-
> From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:14 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
and all the other crap
from the 80s that is still here and slowly being replaced.
All I am saying, the sky isn't falling people.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NE
CF was
free (for example), there wouldn't be much of a complaint by any of the
other religious .net'ers, php'ers, etc. Price is the biggest problem in CF.
- Original Message -
From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Friday, Septe
elieved that I have finally
> learned .NET because the .NET to CF job ratio is about 100:1 at least.
> Holding on exclusively to a versus mentality will only hurt
> yourself in the
> end.
>
>
>
> --Phil
>
> ===>
>
> -Original Message-
> From
-
> From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
>
>
> Personally, I tried to learn .NET a few times, but it seemed
> pretty backward
> to me, and I have a MS in CS. I'm sur
zy
traffic?
I thought that Myspace has been about the largest web application in the
world for the last couple of years.
> -Original Message-
> From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE:
.and
> unless
> I'm using FLEX or AJAX, I haven't seen any significant end user experience
> improvements through the various CF versions.
>
>
>
> A good discussion to have on a Friday...
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ph
: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
Steve,
Let me start by saying I have been with CF since 1996.
I've recently learned .NET via C# as well. The resemblance of C# to Java is
remarkable which made the learning curve much faster for me. Howev
the end user...and
unless
I'm using FLEX or AJAX, I haven't seen any significant end user experience
improvements through the various CF versions.
A good discussion to have on a Friday...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday,
If you include the cost of our database infrastructure (which is used
for mutiple purposes), our Sun based Oracle/Solaris/CF architecture
cost maybe $1,000,000. What's a few thousand in that for CF? Nothing
compared to the benefits we get. Not everyone runs small shops where a
CF license is a signi
"Unfortunately, I can see the writing on the wall for CF unless Adobe
adopts a DRAMATIC pricing reduction strategy. Plain and simply put, with
..NET and Mono in the market, CF can no longer increase market share
whilst continuing to maintain / increase their pricing. They're not the
only game in to
On 9/29/06, Johnny Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have any of you done a presentation to justify using CF over .NET? A friend
> of mine just got a big contract, but the owner wants it to be done in .NET.
> My friend is trying to convince him to let him do it in CF. If you have done
>
teve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge in
development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since the days of
original ASP. Now th
But
you don't have to pay for .NET functionality if you don't use
CF or BlueDragon, right?
Rick
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From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
You don't even ne
that the programmers knowledge of both is equal.
Steve Brownlee
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> From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:18 AM
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: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
That's only really useful if you want to run on anything other windows. The
fact that they want to use .NET I presume means they like windows.
Russ
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From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 September 2006 13:18
To: CF
ject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
That's only really useful if you want to run on anything other windows. The
fact that they want to use .NET I presume means they like windows.
Russ
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From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 September 2006 13:18
To: CF-Tal
y supports Microsoft WindowsR 2000, Windows XP, and the forthcoming
Windows Server 2003.
That all you need!!
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From: "Peter Boughton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentation
funnyI guess MS is lagging behind a little.
Doug
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From: "David Low" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
> You'd have to update that a bit -
You'd have to update that a bit - Windows Server 2003 was 'upcoming'
about four years ago :-)
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 29 September 2006 13:18
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
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>
osoft Windows® 2000, Windows XP, and the forthcoming
Windows Server 2003.
That all you need!!
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From: "Peter Boughton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations?
> Th
BlueDragon beta 7 was just released.
On 9/29/06, Peter Boughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This has never failed to work for me:
> Slide 1: .NET is a pile of poo!
> Slide 2: CF is wonderful!!!
> The End.
>
> ;)
>
>
> Alternatively, you could go for the "both" option, with BlueDragon.NET
> http:
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