Hi group members.
I need your help.
I am having a hard time on finding a job.
I recently got ccnp certification and looking for the
entry level of job for network engineer.
I am living in San Francisco, and graduated from
college less than a year ago.
I have less than a year of network experience
9, 2001 11:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Disappointed with ccnp!!
Hi group members.
I need your help.
I am having a hard time on finding a job.
I recently got ccnp certification and looking for the
entry level of job for network engineer.
I am living in San Francisco, and graduated from
co
I don't know you personally, but I have some
suggestions for you to think about. Don't let that
certification go to your head. If you give the
impression to an employer that you deserve to have a
job because of your CCNP, you will not get hired.
Don't think that you are better than others because
well ... may be you ask too much for an entry level. Or something wrong with
your resume that didn't fit for their requirements ...
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From: "park jeongwoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:42
Subj
Hi,
I'm from the other end of the scale.
I have been working in this business for years and have wanted to get out and studied
in other areas but can't afford the pay cut to go back to an entry level job. That is
not to say I don't enjoy what I do.
I feel I have to become a CCIE to keep
Jeongwoo-
With your high expectations of getting a job, I can understand your
disappointment. Expecting a certification to get you a job is setting
yourself up for disappointment because I think certification alone is not
enough to land a job. Certification must not be your only qualificatio
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>Subject: Disappointed with ccnp!!
>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:42:18 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hi group members.
>I need your help.
>I am having a hard time on finding a job.
>I recently got ccnp certification and looking for the
>entry level of job for net
Hi
Don't worry too much about it. This time of year it is hard to find work, I
know I am looking right now myself. A lot of the companies are just starting
a new year, people just getting back from holiday vacations, new budgets and
projects just starting to get going.
Keep in mind that there re
You cannot expect an employer to be interested in you just because you have
a specific certification, in the same way that you cannot expect a company
to hire you just because you have a specific degree.
There are many things other than technical skills that an employer looks at.
1. Does the
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
park jeongwoo
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Disappointed with ccnp!!
Hi group members.
I need your help.
I am having a hard time on finding a job.
I recently got ccnp ce
where you would have entered with CCNP.
Plus you won't have to wait months to find a job.
- Original Message -
From: park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:42 PM
Subject: Disappointed with ccnp!!
> Hi group me
:37 PM
To: park jeongwoo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
Jeongwoo,
I suspect CCNP is not widely recognized by employers (yet), with the
possible exception of the Washington DC area. A year ago, everyone here was
looking for CCNAs but now CCNP seems to be the cert. du jour
at or above where you would have entered with CCNP.
> Plus you won't have to wait months to find a job.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:42 PM
x27;t be afraid to identify areas where you know you are weak.
-- Kevin
- Original Message -
From: "park jeongwoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:42 PM
Subject: Disappointed with ccnp!!
> Hi group members.
> I nee
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-Original Message-
From: park jeongwoo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Disappointed with ccnp!!
Hi group members.
I need your help.
I am having a hard time on finding a job.
I recently got ccnp certification and looki
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From: chris fong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 11:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I don't know you personally, but I have some
suggestions for you to think about. Don't let that
certification go to your head. If you give the
My 2 cents...try looking out of the San Francisco market. Also,
just a CCNP cert. at entry level is not enough. An additional A+, SCSA,
CNA, MCP will help.
Good Luck
park jeongwoo wrote:
>
> Hi group members.
> I need your help.
> I am having a hard time on finding a job.
> I recently g
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
> Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:30 AM
>
> Don't be disappointed with your CCNP, that's for sure... Just don't
> consider it the end all to getting that job.
s. To that he
> just shook his head and said with a smile... Kids
> nowdays.. ;-) By the
> way, I am 32. Not really a kid anymore. hehehehe
>
> HTH
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: chris fong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, Janua
I have some suggestions for you to think about. They
may or may not apply to you. Don't let that
certification go to your head. If you give the
impression to an employer that you deserve to have a
job because of your CCNP, you will not get hired.
Don't think that you are better than others because
Even more importantly Park, you need to have the real life experience to
back up the cert.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
chris fong
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I
a acquisition computers. About the same time, I
worked on military command and control networks.
I built my first recognizable network control center in 1974,
supporting a metropolitan and national IBM network.
>
>
>
>------
>> From: Croyle, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED
Quoth someone earlier:
"If you work for the state or your county, you can make
a LOT of dough. They tend to overpay for most
positions."
Could someone tell me just what that state or country that is?
Best, G. (A third generation government technical employee.)
Somewhat more seriously, publi
generalizations based on a single anecdote.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Albert Lu
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:51 AM
To: Croyle, James
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I can appreciate what the senior
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Dan West
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:12 AM
To: Croyle, James; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
It all depends on who you work for. I'm working for a
company in Sacramento making good pay and I only
currently have my CCNA with two years o
--Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Sam Adams
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
You forget that lots of younger people switch careers too. And not all
young people started with comp
f the profession.
Good luck in your endeavors.
Adam
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From: Denis A. Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:26 AM
To: 'Sam Adams'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I have to agree, but from the other side of
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
> well ... may be you ask too much for an entry level. Or something wrong
with
> your resume that didn'
.well that's a
> different story.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Dan West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:12 AM
> To: Croyle, James; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
ubject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I interviewed at a State of CA networking position.
Level 1 was starting at 55K/year. Level 2 at 65K.
Level 1 work was basically running pings and
traceroutes, diagnosing some frame relay probs...
pretty straight-forward. I didn't get the position
though, be
Hi,
Maybe there are many out there who need guidance to face an Interview with a
positive outlook. Could you please tell which Publication, who is the Author
etc. of this "Sweaty Palms"?
Regards
S.Kalidasan
> 3. If you get the employer's attention, and get a chance to interview with
> the compa
OK... no these are just my personal opinions and they are not aimed at
anyone directly and they may not apply to everyone...
Getting certified is great. BUT experience is better. If you run out get a
degree, a few certification and expect to be greeted as a god.. think again.
I see about 50 res
It is unfortunate that there are people that skim by these exams just for
the sake of certification. But it is also important to remember people that
are trying to get into the field. I am not saying just because you have
certification X means you should make X amount of dollars, or expect job
What price do you put on folks with a combination of things? Such as a few years (lets
say 3-4) with a CCNA vs the same experience with a degree? or a degree and
certification?
Eric Gunn wrote:
> It is unfortunate that there are people that skim by these exams just for
> the sake of certificat
Remember too that entry level positions advertised do not mean that is the
only opportunity.
My recommendation is to follow through even on some of the more junior
positions and see if there is room for the company to expand the role and
hopefully remuneration.
I've been in a position to hire st
Hi group members!!
I am the original poster of this thread.
First of all, I appreciate your encouragements,
concerns and even criticizing point. I received more
replies than I expected.
There were some people who made a point on removing my
ccnp cert from my resume.
It was not only thoughtful sug
Take a look at the description on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0898154030/o/qid=979051528/sr=8-1/ref
=aps_sr_b_1_1/104-9132597-6531135
At 05:12 PM 1/9/01 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi,
>Maybe there are many out there who need guidance to face an Interview with a
>positive
rk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Groupstudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster
> Hi group members!!
> I am the original poster of this thread.
> First of all, I appreciate your encouragements,
> concerns and
pstudy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster
> Unfortunately, anyone that is not getting hands on experience will quickly
> forget pretty much everything they learned during
Try to enroll at Cisco Network Academy(if there is one nearby) for real
hands on experience.
>From Semester 5 (BSCN) alone we"ll be doing 60 labs.
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:55:55 -0800 (PST) jeongwoo park
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi group members!!
> I am the original poster of this thread.
>
Friend,
Now that you have your CCNP and no Experience, please don't get carried
away with the certifications. Don't try to get your CCIE yet. You will just
end up hating routing protocols if you don't get your hands in some
production routers/switches.
Keep up with the Interviews and be prepa
: Groupstudy
Subject: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster
Hi group members!!
I am the original poster of this thread.
First of all, I appreciate your encouragements,
concerns and even criticizing point. I received more
replies than I expected.
There were some people who made a point on removing
feel good, the rest will take care of itself.
>
> Mark Krysinski
> CTO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> jeongwoo park
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:56 PM
> To: Groupstudy
> Subject: Disappointed with CC
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From: jeongwoo park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Groupstudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster
> Hi group members!!
> I am the original poster of this thread.
> First of all, I appreciate
ent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:28 PM
To: jeongwoo park; Groupstudy
Subject: Re: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster - Should be our
poster child
I started in this industry in 95 after a career change, I was a Chef for 12
years, and taught music for two years before that. Third career working
fication. My 2cents, you may begin your flamesin
> five,four,three,two,one...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Donald B Johnson Jr
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:28 PM
> To: jeongwoo park; Groupstudy
> Su
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