Hi Dan,.
Don't be discouraged by it. How long you've been out of the job market. An
opportunity will come for someone like you who have the quality and
knowledge.
regards,
vincent
-Original Message-
From: park jeongwoo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:4
I don't know you personally, but I have some
suggestions for you to think about. Don't let that
certification go to your head. If you give the
impression to an employer that you deserve to have a
job because of your CCNP, you will not get hired.
Don't think that you are better than others because
well ... may be you ask too much for an entry level. Or something wrong with
your resume that didn't fit for their requirements ...
- Original Message -
From: "park jeongwoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:42
Subject: Disappointed with ccnp!!
Hi,
I'm from the other end of the scale.
I have been working in this business for years and have wanted to get out and studied
in other areas but can't afford the pay cut to go back to an entry level job. That is
not to say I don't enjoy what I do.
I feel I have to become a CCIE to keep
Jeongwoo-
With your high expectations of getting a job, I can understand your
disappointment. Expecting a certification to get you a job is setting
yourself up for disappointment because I think certification alone is not
enough to land a job. Certification must not be your only qualificatio
The Cert can only get you the interview, not the job. Your lack of experience
is the real issue here. Try a body shop like Manpower, Frith Recruiting, or
Comms people.
Cheers,
Lance
>From: park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi
Don't worry too much about it. This time of year it is hard to find work, I
know I am looking right now myself. A lot of the companies are just starting
a new year, people just getting back from holiday vacations, new budgets and
projects just starting to get going.
Keep in mind that there re
You cannot expect an employer to be interested in you just because you have
a specific certification, in the same way that you cannot expect a company
to hire you just because you have a specific degree.
There are many things other than technical skills that an employer looks at.
1. Does the
Jeongwoo,
I suspect CCNP is not widely recognized by employers (yet), with the
possible exception of the Washington DC area. A year ago, everyone here was
looking for CCNAs but now CCNP seems to be the cert. du jour, judging by the
job ads in the Washington Post. CCNA, like MCSE, is nothing speci
CCNP level candidates would be expected to perform to a certain level. Your
lack of experience combined with the CCNP is a red flag. It is very
unlikely you can perform to the level of most CCNP's.
I recommend dropping the CCNP from your resume right now and aim at landing
an entry level networ
:37 PM
To: park jeongwoo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
Jeongwoo,
I suspect CCNP is not widely recognized by employers (yet), with the
possible exception of the Washington DC area. A year ago, everyone here was
looking for CCNAs but now CCNP seems to be the cert. du jour
Agreed. Do not list the cert and list topics that you are more confident
with and that should be of benefit.
""Groupstudy"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> CCNP level candidates would be expected to perform to a certain level.
Your
> lack of ex
Well this is a hot thread so I thought I would put in my 2 cents. First,
having a CCNP is a plus but is no replacement for actual experience. The
interview process is about personal marketing, you need to sell the
interviewer on how having you on his team will benefit him and the company.
Don't
It all depends on what you want out of your certifications. As long as you
did not get your certifications by "cramming and dumping only", it is still
worthwhile even though you cannot get a job now. My little advice is: target
an employer in your area, get some information about their Network nee
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From: chris fong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 11:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I don't know you personally, but I have some
suggestions for you to think about. Don't let that
certification go to your head. If you give the
My 2 cents...try looking out of the San Francisco market. Also,
just a CCNP cert. at entry level is not enough. An additional A+, SCSA,
CNA, MCP will help.
Good Luck
park jeongwoo wrote:
>
> Hi group members.
> I need your help.
> I am having a hard time on finding a job.
> I recently g
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
> Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:30 AM
>
> Don't be disappointed with your CCNP, that's for sure... Just don't
> consider it the end all to getting that job.
s. To that he
> just shook his head and said with a smile... Kids
> nowdays.. ;-) By the
> way, I am 32. Not really a kid anymore. hehehehe
>
> HTH
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: chris fong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, Janua
I have some suggestions for you to think about. They
may or may not apply to you. Don't let that
certification go to your head. If you give the
impression to an employer that you deserve to have a
job because of your CCNP, you will not get hired.
Don't think that you are better than others because
Even more importantly Park, you need to have the real life experience to
back up the cert.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
chris fong
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I
a acquisition computers. About the same time, I
worked on military command and control networks.
I built my first recognizable network control center in 1974,
supporting a metropolitan and national IBM network.
>
>
>
>------
>> From: Croyle, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED
Quoth someone earlier:
"If you work for the state or your county, you can make
a LOT of dough. They tend to overpay for most
positions."
Could someone tell me just what that state or country that is?
Best, G. (A third generation government technical employee.)
Somewhat more seriously, publi
generalizations based on a single anecdote.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Albert Lu
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:51 AM
To: Croyle, James
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I can appreciate what the senior
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Dan West
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:12 AM
To: Croyle, James; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
It all depends on who you work for. I'm working for a
company in Sacramento making good pay and I only
currently have my CCNA with two years o
--Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Sam Adams
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
You forget that lots of younger people switch careers too. And not all
young people started with comp
f the profession.
Good luck in your endeavors.
Adam
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From: Denis A. Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:26 AM
To: 'Sam Adams'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
I have to agree, but from the other side of
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!
> well ... may be you ask too much for an entry level. Or something wrong
with
> your resume that didn'
.well that's a
> different story.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Dan West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:12 AM
> To: Croyle, James; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!
generally lower
> stress...well that's a
> different story.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Dan West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:12 AM
> To: Croyle, James; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:
OK... no these are just my personal opinions and they are not aimed at
anyone directly and they may not apply to everyone...
Getting certified is great. BUT experience is better. If you run out get a
degree, a few certification and expect to be greeted as a god.. think again.
I see about 50 res
It is unfortunate that there are people that skim by these exams just for
the sake of certification. But it is also important to remember people that
are trying to get into the field. I am not saying just because you have
certification X means you should make X amount of dollars, or expect job
What price do you put on folks with a combination of things? Such as a few years (lets
say 3-4) with a CCNA vs the same experience with a degree? or a degree and
certification?
Eric Gunn wrote:
> It is unfortunate that there are people that skim by these exams just for
> the sake of certificat
Remember too that entry level positions advertised do not mean that is the
only opportunity.
My recommendation is to follow through even on some of the more junior
positions and see if there is room for the company to expand the role and
hopefully remuneration.
I've been in a position to hire st
Unfortunately, anyone that is not getting hands on experience will quickly
forget pretty much everything they learned during their studies -in a matter
of weeks. This fact quickly turns CCNP's back into CCNA's!
Best of luck to you.
- Original Message -
From: jeongwoo park <[EMAIL PROTEC
pstudy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster
> Unfortunately, anyone that is not getting hands on experience will quickly
> forget pretty much everything they learned during
Try to enroll at Cisco Network Academy(if there is one nearby) for real
hands on experience.
>From Semester 5 (BSCN) alone we"ll be doing 60 labs.
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:55:55 -0800 (PST) jeongwoo park
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi group members!!
> I am the original poster of this thread.
>
Friend,
Now that you have your CCNP and no Experience, please don't get carried
away with the certifications. Don't try to get your CCIE yet. You will just
end up hating routing protocols if you don't get your hands in some
production routers/switches.
Keep up with the Interviews and be prepa
There are many instructors with no real world experience. Do what makes you
feel good, the rest will take care of itself.
Mark Krysinski
CTO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
jeongwoo park
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:56 PM
To: Gro
I think most instructors don't have real world experience : )
""Mark Krysinski"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> There are many instructors with no real world experience. Do what makes
you
> feel good, the rest will take care of itself.
>
> Mar
I started in this industry in 95 after a career change, I was a Chef for 12
years, and taught music for two years before that. Third career working with
computers. I want to be a lawyer next, fourth career. Whatever!! A friend of
mine had a family member who had a small consulting business, and I
ent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:28 PM
To: jeongwoo park; Groupstudy
Subject: Re: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster - Should be our
poster child
I started in this industry in 95 after a career change, I was a Chef for 12
years, and taught music for two years before that. Third career working
fication. My 2cents, you may begin your flamesin
> five,four,three,two,one...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Donald B Johnson Jr
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:28 PM
> To: jeongwoo park; Groupstudy
> Su
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