From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Today we are told the 21st century will be horrifichot, drought,
> which is about the biggest line of crap this country was ever sold.
> We have our Russian friends into MIR and weather control, and we are
> told a lot of rain for the south west, whic
Well may 50 million masons can keep a secret, but from what I know of
the trip to the moon, we were there.
Why did the program suddenly stop? Well, first the big night or day we
landed on the moon, some may be old enough to recall the Bridge at
Chappadwick, where Senator Edward M. Kennedy nearly
The issue of moon exploration is fraught with all kinds of conspiracy theories. Of
course NASA might be right and there just was not enough funding or interest to
maintain the program. It could also be that there is something there which
discourages our continued exploration, be it the "Alter
In a message dated 6/8/00 6:49:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> That doesn't explain why for at least decades -- and possibly much
> longer -- they've been abducting human beings, and especially their
> inordinate interest in our genitalia and reproductive systems.
>
>
In a message dated 6/7/00 7:24:50 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > So it wouldn't be that divinity is magically bestowed, but that to be
free
> to
> > roam the universe, a civilization would have to achieve a certain level
of
> > enlightenment first in order that harm mig
From: "tenebroust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If there are these creatures as you posit, then why is it that they
have to have an agenda? It may be that there interaction with us is
>coincidental, or accidental, or that the times that they actually DO
things to us or with us it is the action of BAD me
From: "Robert F. Tatman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Two possibilities occur to me off the top of my head: first, the
> ultraterrestrials are constantly need fresh genetic material. Folklore is
> consistent around the globe that they are extremely long-lived, and
> long-lived species usually have low r
er is most appropriate to the moment.
> As to *why* they do this...ah, that is another question entirely.
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "tenebroust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 12:38 AM
> Subj
You are certainly right Nessie. Perhaps what is the motivation behind it would be
personal TRANSFORMATION or at least to study the psychology of personal metamorphosis
in a non-clinical, "real world" environment.
Seeking to control how and why people make fundamental changes in their behavior a
;ravish"
unwary humans in their sleep...
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From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ultraterrestrials (Was: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:)
> From: "Robert F.
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>The problem is, nowadays we have a movement afoot where these beings -- no
>better or worse than ourselves -- are now presented as being somehow
>morally
>and spiritually superior to ourselves solely because of their difference
>from us...and therefore warrant
From: "Robert F. Tatman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Now, next question: WHY do they want to attract and capture us, and why does
> time seem altered for those they have captured?
Perhaps the time alteration is due to their interdimensionality...the 'space'
they inhabit is doesn't intersect, or only in
From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Clearly the most sensible approach. Just because somebody is different,
> that doesn't make them better or worse. Just because somebody has a power
> we don't have, that doesn't make them our superiors.
The problem is, nowadays we have a movement afoot where t
y have captured?
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From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ultraterrestrials (Was: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> >
> > some
From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Oh, so using that logic, western society is more moral than South
>> Pacific tribes, because western society developed the A-bomb and the
>> Pacific islanders did not...therefore, we were morally justified in
>> forceably evicting the residents of the
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
> sometimes, as in the Celtic countries, just plain *lived* with and
>accepted.
Clearly the most sensible approach. Just because somebody is different,
that doesn't make them better or worse. Just because somebody has a power
we don't have, that doesn't mak
As to *why* they do this...ah, that is another question entirely.
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From: "tenebroust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ultraterrestrials (Was: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:)
> I'm
tenebroust, I've always believed several layers of things are going on at
once. I really haven't modulated my position at all. I am personally
convinced there is something extra-dimensional and/or extra-terrestrial going
on, and that the military is pulling tricks out of their hat as well. But
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>
>What does it show us? That the spiritual side can be manipulated, and in
>fact may be one of several purposes for why the abduction phenomenon is
>carried out in the first place
On the other hand, it is not at all uncommon for people who have been
throug
See my comments inserted below.
On Tue, 06 June 2000, "Samantha L." wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/6/00 7:35:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > > What makes me believe there are genuine ET contacts occurring (with or
> > > without black op intrusion as well) is t
I'm not sure what is meant by the term ULTRA-terrestrial in this sense. I have no
qualms at all about accepting that it is POSSIBLE that there are beings, that are
normally incorpreal to us, and cannot be sensed under normal circumstances, who occupy
other dimensions which are physically coter
Samantha, I am glad to see that you have modulated your position as previously
presented here, and allow for alternative explanations. It is also good that you
question Streiber et al, because there is some question as to Streiber's affiliations
etc. These experiences could be real, or not, a
nessie wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> > I will posture another scenario the great Hoax of all time. How to
> achieve One World Government and total domination of the people by the New
> World Order?
>
> >Easy: Create an Alien threat so dangerous that we are all glad to
> surrender
In a message dated 6/6/00 8:51:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Oh, so using that logic, western society is more moral than South
> Pacific tribes, because western society developed the A-bomb and the
> Pacific islanders did not...therefore, we were morally justified in
Two words: cargo cult
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From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I personally believe that yes, beings from elsewhere in the universe
>visiting here would be, by definition, moral and enlightened beings - that
>there is a fail-safe-clause in the ordered universe that allows only beings
>of a certain spiritual level to ac
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
Yeah. Let's kick this one around for a while. But let's keep speculation
and facts seperate and labeled. Let's also keep in mind that there needs
be no exclusionary hypothesis. There could be military intelligence behind
some abductions and ETs behind other
From: "Nicky Molloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> It is good to see someone using their sharp powers of analysis and knowledge
> gathered on this subject..
Then why don't we ever see YOU ever using 'sharp powers of analysis', instead
of posting the personal opinions and wild speculations you try to pass
From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>I could tell you that I and untold others have been repeatedly
>>abducted by motorcycle gangsor Arab terrorists...or Satanists...
>>or leprechauns...
>
> Which brings up an interesting question. centuries old stories of being
> "Taken" by "Faeries" bear a s
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> >
> >I could tell you that I and untold others have been repeatedly
>
> >abducted by motorcycle gang
In a message dated 6/5/00 9:11:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Prove that I did NOT have a torrid affair with Jacques Vallee, whose
whispered pillowtalk to me revealed all the secrets of UFOs that he knew...
not to mention some interesting gossip regarding Mr. Webre...
In a message dated 6/6/00 7:35:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > What makes me believe there are genuine ET contacts occurring (with or
> > without black op intrusion as well) is the remarkable spiritual
awakenings
> so
> > many are having. As subjective is this is,
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>I could tell you that I and untold others have been repeatedly
>abducted by motorcycle gangsor Arab terrorists...or Satanists...
>or leprechauns...
Which brings up an interesting question. centuries old stories of being
"Taken" by "Faeries" bear a start
cussion on his research, part 1
-Original Message-
From: Samantha L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, 6 June 2000 20:46
Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
In a message dated 6/5/00 9:43:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> What makes me believe there are genuine ET contacts occurring (with or
> without black op intrusion as well) is the remarkable spiritual awakenings so
> many are having. As subjective is this is, I just don't believe that evil
> intentions can awaken de
In a message dated 6/5/00 9:43:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Agreed. Their various accounts perhaps do point to contact with
> extraterrestial
> beings.
>
> But there could be other explanations as well, and we would be well served
> to
> constantly keep that in min
jumbo and 'spiritual' twadde and
> hysteria associated with many of these beliefs if ETs, Abductions, UFO's,
> and et al. To what purpose is this propoganda however, would be a far more
> interesting and profuitable exercise and use of time imho.
>
>
>
> -----
Well, you could certainly be right about these "Ex-military" and "Ex-spy" guys, but
then again they could just be people who are;
1) Full of a lot of bull who hope to make money using their bullshit stories.
2) Get a kick out of stringing people along with a bunch of malarky.
3) Are currently run
From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> It isn't the intellect alone that is equips us with discernment. The
> personal accounts of such people as Whitley Strieber, Betty Andreasson Lucas
> and others, including those accounts outlined in John Mack, M.D.'s books are
> quite moving and compe
From: "Nicky Molloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm sorry to have to tell you this
No you're not...
> but really this is tiring and its a darn
> less boring than reading you saying the same confudsed comments every post.
"Confudsed"?
> If you can't/won't grasp the situation and get your own infor
Aleisha Saba wrote:
>
> Nessie: Either we run this government or this government runs us. Is
> there anything more obnoxious or disgusting than a Civil SERVANT with a
> little bit of power, power mind you, not necessarily authority.
>
> Some of these people are so stupid they had to lower test
r, snicker
- Original Message -
From:
Rory Winter
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE
> From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>English people seldom>
>>get abducted by
> From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>English people seldom>
>>get abducted by greys according to a UK UFO mag.
> > Maybe they taste bad.
Nessie's trolling again. Well, here's a
thought:
Most nationalities don't get abducted by greys. Maybe the
ones which do -notably Yanquis in compar
In a message dated 6/5/00 2:51:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Its pure religio-political propoganda, religio - because in many cases you
> will find all sorts of esoteric mumbo jumbo and 'spiritual' twadde and
> hysteria associated with many of these beliefs if ETs, Ab
Nessie: Either we run this government or this government runs us. Is
there anything more obnoxious or disgusting than a Civil SERVANT with a
little bit of power, power mind you, not necessarily authority.
Some of these people are so stupid they had to lower testing scores for
them to get one
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> I will posture another scenario the great Hoax of all time. How to
achieve One World Government and total domination of the people by the New
World Order?
>Easy: Create an Alien threat so dangerous that we are all glad to
surrender our sovereignty we will be h
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
> From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>English people seldom
> >>get abducted by greys according to a UK UFO mag.
> >
> > Maybe they taste bad.
>
>
Nicky Molloy: the name of this Listserver is Conspiracy Theory. Now
theories are offered here and you do not have to prove anything, only
unless you go into a court of law.
I like the information you send on line, and who the hell wants to read
a lot of bickering by people who have nothing co
In a message dated 6/5/00 7:58:22 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< I'm sorry to have to tell you this but really this is tiring and its a darn
less boring than reading you saying the same confudsed comments every post.
If you can't/won't grasp the situation and get your ow
From: "Nicky Molloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well tenebroust, I guess the reason Commander X, Branton etc use non de
> plumes is because are in danger of their lives.
And you have EVIDENCE to support this claim? ;-)
> They were intelligence officers and we don't
> really need to know their pers
o what purpose is this propoganda however, would be a far more
interesting and profuitable exercise and use of time imho.
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From: "Nicky Molloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] U
-Original Message-
From: tenebroust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
.>> Since there is no real evidence for it, we must just look at it all as
speculation by "army officer X", or some "covert warrior" who now wants to
come clean, etc.
Well tenebroust, I guess the reason Commander X, Branton etc use
The scenario as posited is possible. If it is true then it would stand to reason that
there would be actual physical craft as well as whatever other high tech stuff that
could be brought to bear to give it more weight and make it more convincing,
including, perhaps, holographich projection, et
v to this one in his car watching a woman
> float out of her highrise apartment in NY and into a spaceship. This story
> is well known. A couple of Govt agents got in touch with the woman and she
> told them, where she went as she remembered.
>
> Nicky
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
From: "Carl Amedio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I will posture another scenario the great Hoax of all time. How to achieve
> One World Government and total domination of the people by the New World
> Order?
> Easy: Create an Alien threat so dangerous that we are all glad to surrender
> our sovereignty w
From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>English people seldom
>>get abducted by greys according to a UK UFO mag.
>
> Maybe they taste bad.
Remember the old Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man"?
Perhaps the space aliens know UK cuisine sucks... ;-)
June
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In a message dated 6/4/00 12:38:25 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> I will posture another scenario the great Hoax of all time. How to achieve
> One World Government and total domination of the people by the New World
> Order?
> Easy: Create an Alien threat so dangerous th
In a message dated 6/4/00 12:27:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
<<
If it is to create fear, then why? I can only think of two possible
reasons;
1) to lead the public to think the govt is working with evil aliens to
further the sense of fear, intimidation and powerle
In a message dated 6/4/00 11:33:25 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> >I think we can safely say that American abductions could sometimes be the
> >military because they sometimes pretend they are aliens by using virtual
> >reality scenarios.
> Agreed. But why are they doin
>
>I think we can safely say that American abductions could sometimes be the
>military because they sometimes pretend they are aliens by using virtual
>reality scenarios.
Agreed. But why are they doing this? They must have a plan. The military
doesn't take a dump without a having a plan first
t agents got in touch with the woman and she
told them, where she went as she remembered.
Nicky
-Original Message-
From: tenebroust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, 4 June 2000 05:02
Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
Nicky; No
ntific explanation for everything and are not able to
> decipher the complexity of other dimensions and a person's direct experience
> of them.
> 5. They are unable to see beyond themselves to be objective about Earth and
> its manifold off planet guided expressions of evolution
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>Nessie - Oh So you ARE the Mind Control Nessie.
Guilty as charged. It's a great little list. I read it every day.
>
>Well, I covered the United
>Nations Outer Space Conference in Vienna for THE GUARDIAN. There were
>lots
>of spacepeople there, communist
eagle 1
http://www.paradise-web.com/plus_le/plus.mirage?who=k2
- Original Message -
From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
> From: "Nicky Molloy" &
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>
>Memories can be implanted.
Indeed, we cannot even trust our own memories, let alone the memories of
others.
>
>There could be a very mundane, earthly agency
>afoot with these abductions, and agency that is utilizing false ET
>scenarios
>to cover their
>
>OK has he been abducted personally -
>
>Not that he has said.
>
>>now how do the two experiences compare?
>
>Good question.
>
>
>I>t is also possible to actually see the real thing when certain sections
>of the brain are opened technically. People take drugs and see all sorts.
>Plus past lives
From: "Nicky Molloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sorry June its pointless talking further, eg how do we know you aren't a CIA
> agent? It obvious if you were you may know more for a start on this subject
> instead of turning this into a psychological exercise in belief systems..
But how would you know
-Original Message-
From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>{M Persinger] He's more than a theorists. He builds and experiments with
electromagnetic
devices that substantially alter consciousness and perception. He has
produced hallucinations of alien like beings.
OK has he been abducted pers
>Nessie do you think some theorists like M Persinger have any more value
than those who have personally experienced Ets?
He's more than a theorists. He builds and experiments with electromagnetic
devices that substantially alter consciousness and perception. He has
produced hallucinations of alie
erson's direct experience
of them.
5. They are unable to see beyond themselves to be objective about Earth and
its manifold off planet guided expressions of evolution to perfection.
Nicky
-Original Message-
From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
[EMAIL
From: "Andrew Hennessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>From what I've read (and I suspect I have many more decades of reading
>>on the matter than Samantha), for years the 'star map' that Betty Hill
>>drew was touted as 'proof' of her encounter.
>
>er, no, june, you don't appear to have read enough.
>
>A
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>what different things do you think the UFOs are?
See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html
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>From what I've read (and I suspect I have many more decades of reading
>on the matter than Samantha), for years the 'star map' that Betty Hill
>drew was touted as 'proof' of her encounter.
>
er, no, june, you don't appear to have read enough.
A lady has recently completed a 3 dimensional model o
That's right Michael at best it would support the notion that aliens came here from
somewhere else at some time in the past, and have nothing to say about anything
happening today. I don't put much weight into it though based on other work done
investigating it. As for your comments about the
In a message dated 00-05-31 19:50:20 EDT, you write:
<< Look, I don't doubt, and am not trying to debunk, UFOs. I've seen two of
them, one fairly close. They exist. What I'm questioning is their ET
origin. Where is the forensic evidence of an ET origin for UFOs?
>>
Nessie - You ARE a sly on
> Yuriy N. Morozov, Ph.D.
A guy I don't know says that a guy he don't know says that a guys who's
dead heard from another guy who's dead a story about how some mythological
being may have looked, so therefore UFO are ET. Right. Sure.
If I ever get arrested for a crime, I sure hope Mike Spitzer i
From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> First of all the Dogon Tribe's star origin and stellar
>> mythology may, indeed, have been faked.
>
> That's crap.
And your EVIDENCE that it's 'crap'?
>> beyond Earth? Even if the Dogon record actual alien
>> visitation, which I doubt, it does not
From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I don't know about the research on the Betty Hill star maps. Tell the
> story. I'll listen.
>From what I've read (and I suspect I have many more decades of reading
on the matter than Samantha), for years the 'star map' that Betty Hill
drew was touted as 'proof
[Ooops AGAIN:( I accidentally posted "Part 3" AGAIN as "Part 4."
The following is the REAL final part, i.e., "Part 4 of 4." --MS]
In a recent work [13] R.Ceragioli has made an attempt to
solve the riddle of Sirius' redness in the context of classical
philology: the color red was in antiqui
(Part 4 of 4, regarding RIAP on The Dogon)
It is known in astronomy that a white dwarf arises from a red
giant as this loses its mass. This process is usually accompanied
by a slow ejection of a planetary nebula which eventually
dissipates into space. But sometimes the remaining core of the
r
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:
> Here's a post I made to another list a while ago, i.e.,
> regarding the STATE-OF-THE-ART on REAL scientific
> investigation regarding the Dogon:
>
>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:05:55 -0700 (MST)
> From: MICHAEL SPITZER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: DO
[Ooops, Here is Part 2 of 4 on this. --MS]
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:
> Here's a post I made to another list a while ago, i.e., regarding
> the STATE-OF-THE-ART on REAL scientific investigation regarding
> the Dogon:
>
(cont from Part 1)
> which contains the Sun. This world
[And, another tid-bit as far as the current status regarding the
"scientific paradigm" regarding the Dogon, et al. --MS]
LETTER TO THE EDITOR
DID THE MAORI KNOW ABOUT THE RING OF JUPITER?
Sir,
Discussing the origin of the anomalously high astronomical
knowledge of the Dogon [1], it would be
Here's a post I made to another list a while ago, i.e., regarding
the STATE-OF-THE-ART on REAL scientific investigation regarding
the Dogon:
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:05:55 -0700 (MST)
From: MICHAEL SPITZER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DOGON: "TRACKING THE ALIEN ASTROENGINEERS"
I just got thi
On Wed, 31 May 2000, tenebroust wrote:
> First of all the Dogon Tribe's star origin and stellar
> mythology may, indeed, have been faked.
That's crap.
> beyond Earth? Even if the Dogon record actual alien
> visitation, which I doubt, it does nothing to support the
> same today.
It does
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>never heard of the DOGON TRIBE - its one of the passe basics
>or
Not true. They could have easily heard about it from Europeans, or even
South Africans travelling through Dogan territory. It was known to science
for decades and decades before the story was
First of all the Dogon Tribe's star origin and stellar mythology may, indeed, have
been faked. But let us set that aside for a minute and presume that their mythology
is correct how does that offer proof that any UFO's that are seen are extraterrestrial
craft being piloted by aliens from beyon
All of which offer excellent (if anecdotal) evidence for the EXISTENCE OF UFO'S, not
one bit of evidence that they are of extraterrestrial origin or that there are any
aliens aboard them. I thought we could all agree that UFO's are a real phenomenon.
At least I don't need convincing that UFO'
>
>Look, I don't doubt, and am not trying to debunk, UFOs. I've seen two of
>them, one fairly close. They exist. What I'm questioning is their ET
>origin. Where is the forensic evidence of an ET origin for UFOs?
>
never heard of the DOGON TRIBE - its one of the passe basics
or the research done o
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>This should silence any debunker or doubter.
Look, I don't doubt, and am not trying to debunk, UFOs. I've seen two of
them, one fairly close. They exist. What I'm questioning is their ET
origin. Where is the forensic evidence of an ET origin for UFOs?
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