otential to be further optimized in future by letting it probe to
> make a more educated decision whether to automatically set the dark
> theme instead of light
>
>
> >
> > Von: Neil C Smith
> > Gesendet: Montag, 29. November 2021 15:36
> > An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
IDE from the very first start.
Von: Michael Bien
Gesendet: Montag, 29. November 2021 16:54
An: dev@netbeans.apache.org; Christian Lenz
Betreff: Re: AW: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
On 29.11.21 16:28, Christian Lenz wrote:
I don’t get it atm. What is the preferred solution now
; Christian Lenz
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On 29.11.21 16:28, Christian Lenz wrote:
> I don’t get it atm. What is the preferred solution now? Open the options when
> NetBeans is still open or what? That means that I need to restart NetBeans
> again.
Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 at 15:20, Eirik Bakke wrote:
There are hundreds of options that can be customized, and there is real
value-add in _not_ requiring the user (especially new users) to know about or
touch them.
We also don't want a s
: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 at 15:20, Eirik Bakke wrote:
> There are hundreds of options that can be customized, and there is real
> value-add in _not_ requiring the user (especially new users) to know about or
> touch them.
>
> We also don
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 at 15:20, Eirik Bakke wrote:
> There are hundreds of options that can be customized, and there is real
> value-add in _not_ requiring the user (especially new users) to know about or
> touch them.
>
> We also don't want a situation where we end up having two different user
>
Changing subject for more specific topic
1. I noticed on the referenced properties file that it calls out pages
for stats which are no longer accessible. Did these remain after Apache
migration and/or still applicable?
1. http://netbeans.org/about/usage-tracking.html
2. http
ject: AW: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
Ans also at the end, if we can’t find a solution, just ask the community about
where we should add it with a vote.
Von: Christian Lenz
Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. November 2021 11:03
An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Betreff: AW: Re: [DISCUSS] De
Ans also at the end, if we can’t find a solution, just ask the community about
where we should add it with a vote.
Von: Christian Lenz
Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. November 2021 11:03
An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Betreff: AW: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
Defaults are not working
@netbeans.apache.org
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I'd say, avoid customization in both the installer and on startup. It's a lot
better to have a robust discussion about defaults here, and then stick to
whatever we decide.
There are hundreds of options t
ce (the Options dialog) to change it again later.
-- Eirik
-Original Message-
From: Neil C Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 4:53 AM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 at 08:32, Jaroslav Tulach wrote:
>
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 at 08:32, Jaroslav Tulach wrote:
> NetBeans IDE was always keen on to work "out of the box" - e.g. as little
> dialogs on 1st start as possible. If you want prior launch customization,
> put it into installer.
But what is the difference?
In general, I agree with you. This th
NetBeans IDE was always keen on to work "out of the box" - e.g. as little
dialogs on 1st start as possible. If you want prior launch customization,
put it into installer.
čt 25. 11. 2021 v 20:37 odesílatel Eric Bresie napsal:
> If the setup dialog is seen as useless then why not make it useful?
On 26.11.21 13:13, Neil C Smith wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 10:23, Christian Lenz wrote:
I really like the way how IntelliJ does it, it is very user friendly and we
also have the first dialog which is „Import Settings“. This could be a good
place to do more custom stuff.
Yes, a single well
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 10:23, Christian Lenz wrote:
> I really like the way how IntelliJ does it, it is very user friendly and we
> also have the first dialog which is „Import Settings“. This could be a good
> place to do more custom stuff.
Yes, a single well thought out "user friendly" *replac
List
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If the setup dialog is seen as useless then why not make it useful?
I still think some additional customization wouldn’t be the end of the world.
When setting up as I recall (see below link for specifics) there is the
following
If the setup dialog is seen as useless then why not make it useful?
I still think some additional customization wouldn’t be the end of the world.
When setting up as I recall (see below link for specifics) there is the
following dialogs:
(1) customize dialog
(1a) select specific packs/runtimes
(
On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 at 14:16, Michael Bien wrote:
> lets remove that one. Gathering stats is a bit out of fashion anyway.
AFAIK we don't even do anything with them anyway? At least the links
at
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/nb/ide.branding/uihandler/src/org/netbeans/modules/uih
, 25. November 2021 12:58
An: dev
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
On Thu, 25 Nov 2021, 11:18 Christian Lenz, wrote:
„The useless startup Dialog“
What do you mean by this? Which Startup Dialog? I only knlw the one where
it says „Do you want to Import the Settings from a
Ahh ok you mean the statistics dialog one. Thx for info.
Von: Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. November 2021 12:58
An: dev
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
On Thu, 25 Nov 2021, 11:18 Christian Lenz, wrote:
> „The useless startup Dialog“
>
> What do yo
On Thu, 25 Nov 2021, 11:18 Christian Lenz, wrote:
> „The useless startup Dialog“
>
> What do you mean by this? Which Startup Dialog? I only knlw the one where
> it says „Do you want to Import the Settings from a previews Version?.“
> Which else do we have?
>
Try with a clean userdir, don't impor
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 20:04, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> Well, providing FlatLaF Light as the default, maybe the easiest to
> implement, maybe it could be as easy as do a default command line
> switch. (It does not need to change
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 20:04, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> Well, providing FlatLaF Light as the default, maybe the easiest to
> implement, maybe it could be as easy as do a default command line
> switch. (It does not need to change the color profiles in the editor and
> around.
Well, the simplest way
I tried FlatLaf in 12.5. When I migrated settings to 12.6 while testing
macOS installer, lines with a breakpoint set on them were close to
unreadable, the background color was a very dark red-brown with black
text. This did not seem to reconcile with the settings for debugging when
I inspected t
On 24.11.21 19:39, Neil C Smith wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 18:07, Jaroslav Tulach wrote:
No dialogs, please!
:-)
I personally don't think we should have a dialog (just) for this.
If you want to ask users, do it in the installer!
Well, we have a number of dialogs already, at least one of
On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 18:07, Jaroslav Tulach wrote:
> No dialogs, please!
:-)
> > I personally don't think we should have a dialog (just) for this.
>
> If you want to ask users, do it in the installer!
Well, we have a number of dialogs already, at least one of which would
be good to get rid of
No dialogs, please!
> I personally don't think we should have a dialog (just) for this.
If you want to ask users, do it in the installer!
Thank you.
-jt
On 11/23/21 01:43, Neil C Smith wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 02:16, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
What would be the conclusion of this topic?
Well, my conclusion is that we should be looking to make FlatLaf Light
the default for everyone with NB 13. At least judging from comments,
and (something
+1 for dark FlatLaf
I use NetBeans on both Windows and Linux and having consistent look
helps a lot.
Regards,
Tom
On 01. 11. 21 15:01, Neil C Smith wrote:
Hi,
So, now we've branched off 12.6, and we know that the next release
will be NetBeans 13, require JDK 11+, and hopefully ship with nb-
Message-
From: Neil C Smith
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 4:44 AM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 02:16, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
What would be the conclusion of this topic?
Well, my conclusion is that we should be
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:35, Eirik Bakke wrote:
> Perhaps simpler than a dialog would be to just switch to FlatLAF Light for
> any user who has not explicitly touched the LAF setting in the past.
>
> Alternatively, we could switch unconditionally to FlatLAF Light for everyone,
> once only--i.e.
forced
switch has been made and should not be attempted again in the future.
-- Eirik
-Original Message-
From: Neil C Smith
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 4:44 AM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 02:16, Laszlo
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 02:16, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> What would be the conclusion of this topic?
Well, my conclusion is that we should be looking to make FlatLaf Light
the default for everyone with NB 13. At least judging from comments,
and (something I think is important) what we seem to be u
What would be the conclusion of this topic?
It seems there is support behind this, especially on Linux, where the
new GTK and it's themes do not play nice with Java.
Is there someone willing to implement this feature?
If anyone would be interested, probably the best place to implement is
in:
: RE: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
> There is also almost no use of native system-L&Fs anymore - every single app
> looks different these days.
This is actually true--not even Microsoft Office follows the standard scheme
with e.g. checkboxes and buttons. MacOS does ha
a few specific tweaks and configuration changes to blend in with the
local OS.
So I think now:
+1 to change NetBeans' default to FlatLAF (on all platforms)
-- Eirik
-Original Message-
From: Josh Juneau
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:42 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Cc: Ernie Rael
+1…I still use Darcula on OS X, but the flatlaf dark is also nice.
Josh Juneau
juneau...@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=Juneau
> On Nov 2, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Michael Bien wrote:
>
> the dialog would have to restart NB after the theme selection.
the dialog would have to restart NB after the theme selection. I think
it would look better if the main window wasn't opened yet.
-michael
On 02.11.21 17:39, Ernie Rael wrote:
How about the Start Page, aka Welcome Screen, for
basic/initial/beginner configuration and pointers; and it's always
How about the Start Page, aka Welcome Screen, for basic/initial/beginner
configuration and pointers; and it's always available via "Menu > Help >
StartPage".
-ernie
On 11/1/2021 5:53 PM, Eric Bresie wrote:
Would it be worth allowing selection of LAF at install time? Maybe a
wizard with other
+1 I use flatlaf dark on ubuntu 21.10.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2021, 06:02 Scott Palmer, wrote:
> +1 to FlatLAF
> Dark or Light should default to the system preference. Both Windows and
> macOS have a system setting for dark mode.
>
> Scott
>
> > On Nov 1, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> >
> >
+1 to FlatLAF
Dark or Light should default to the system preference. Both Windows and macOS
have a system setting for dark mode.
Scott
> On Nov 1, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> So, now we've branched off 12.6, and we know that the next release
> will be NetBeans 13, re
r beginners,
with carefully chosen defaults. And the seasoned users are going to visit the Preferences
in any case.
-- Eirik
-Original Message-
From: Eric Bresie
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 8:53 PM
To: Netbeans Developer List
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBe
s,
with carefully chosen defaults. And the seasoned users are going to visit the
Preferences in any case.
-- Eirik
-Original Message-
From: Eric Bresie
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 8:53 PM
To: Netbeans Developer List
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
W
Would it be worth allowing selection of LAF at install time? Maybe a
wizard with other customization (plugins, language, fonts, formatting,
etc.)? This may take a page from Intellij but maybe..,
On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 6:02 PM Mark Eggers
wrote:
> I just played around with FlatLaf Light on Ubun
I just played around with FlatLaf Light on Ubuntu 20.04 and NetBeans 12.5
The fonts look much clearer than they have been.
It's "bright", but then I suppose that's what the light version is
supposed to be. I'll see how tired my eyes get after a day or so of using.
I can always revert.
It loo
On 01.11.21 15:01, Neil C Smith wrote:
So, what do you think? For or against? Maybe also add what you do
use, and light or dark, in a reply - it might make some sense if we
defaulted to what the majority of us use in practise?
I use dark at the moment. Maybe NB could somehow probe the window
+1 from me
the GTK theme on linux has some problems on older gnome versions (e.g
cinnamon which is a gnome 3 fork). So i would have to specify
-J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 to make it render properly. Switching to FlatLaf
by default would fix that issue as side effect.
There is also almost no use
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3115 achieves some of this (see
separate discussion there).
-- Eirik
-Original Message-
From: Christian Lenz
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:09 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: AW: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
I’m on wind
Hi sorry
It's was +1 on the overall suggestion of making FlatLaF the default UI for
Apache NetBeans. I use the light version on both my Mac and windows laptop
and find that's it provides a much cleaner experience for me than the
current defaults.
Regards
John
On Mon 1 Nov 2021, 19:11 Neil C Sm
Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Montag, 1. November 2021 15:01
An: dev
Betreff: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
Hi,
So, now we've branched off 12.6, and we know that the next release will be
NetBeans 13, require JDK 11+, and hopefully ship with nb-javac included .. is
it time we change
sendet: Montag, 1. November 2021 15:01
An: dev
Betreff: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
Hi,
So, now we've branched off 12.6, and we know that the next release will be
NetBeans 13, require JDK 11+, and hopefully ship with nb-javac included .. is
it time we changed (improved?
2021 15:01
An: dev
Betreff: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
Hi,
So, now we've branched off 12.6, and we know that the next release
will be NetBeans 13, require JDK 11+, and hopefully ship with nb-javac
included .. is it time we changed (improved?! :-) ) how NetBeans looks
out o
On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 18:48, John Mc wrote:
> +1 for this.
Can you clarify whether that was to what I said or what Eirik said?
What LAF do you use?
Thanks,
Neil
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> -0 on t
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-0 on this.
I am red/green color deficient. I've tried using FlatLaf several times, and I
just could not get the color selection to work where everything was different
and yet easy for me to read.
I'll try again on 12.
-0 on this.
I am red/green color deficient. I've tried using FlatLaf several times,
and I just could not get the color selection to work where everything
was different and yet easy for me to read.
I'll try again on 12.5, but for now I've stuck with the Windows LAF for
my Windows systems and
+1 on this one. Maybe if we could even the installer should be on
FlatLaf (right now on GTK with dark schema, the license agreement text
is white over white, need to select it to be able to read that.)
I use FlatLaf Light for the release versions and FlatLaf Dark on the dev
builds.
On 11/1/2
Hi,
So, now we've branched off 12.6, and we know that the next release
will be NetBeans 13, require JDK 11+, and hopefully ship with nb-javac
included .. is it time we changed (improved?! :-) ) how NetBeans looks
out of the box too?
Should we consider FlatLaf (light or dark) as the default look a
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