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5:47 PM John Neffenger wrote: > On 4/5/19 7:51 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > OK, added info about the installers as a tip on the Download page: > > > > https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb110/nb110.html > > Should we also mention the Snap package for Linux

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On 4/5/19 7:51 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: OK, added info about the installers as a tip on the Download page: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb110/nb110.html Should we also mention the Snap package for Linux users? Apache NetBeans (incubating) https://snapcraft.io/netbeans It was

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OK, added info about the installers as a tip on the Download page: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb110/nb110.html Gj On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 12:34 PM wrote: > Hi, I will not be merging this branch to master, it is pushed to my > fork only for hosting the binaries tempo

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tBeans 10. But to end my discussion, I will create a ticket or a new thread about that problem. Cheers Chris Von: Pete Whelpton Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2019 11:05 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0 No worries :) My understa

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> > explicitly linking to the above on the page below so long as we clear > state that these are not official Apache NetBeans installers, though that > they should be seen as experimental installers for the next release: > > https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb110/nb110.ht

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+1 link for now. Users! Users everywhere! :-) Wade On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 03:54 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Hi all, > > Reema has put the installers created from the installer sources in her pull > request on Apache NetBeans GitHub in her repo: > > > https://github.c

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a ticket or a new thread about that problem. > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Pete Whelpton > Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2019 11:05 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0 > > No worries :) My

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NetBeans 9 did not have installers at all... Gj On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 at 11:08, Christian Lenz wrote: > Yes sure, I only wanted to say, that smth changed/smth is missing from > using NetBeans > 9. So there where no problems with the old oracle NetBeans > until 8.2 (Maybe they

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, I will create a ticket or a new thread about that problem. Cheers Chris Von: Pete Whelpton Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2019 11:05 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0 No worries :) My understanding (I'm 100% sure that

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t; Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2019 10:29 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0 > > The smartscreen warning is mentioned in the Smartscreen wikipedia page, > under criticism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SmartScreen > > *S

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So signing is missing here, if I understand it correctly. Thx for the link Pete. Cheers Chris Von: Pete Whelpton Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2019 10:29 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0 The smartscreen warning is mentioned in the

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I download NetBeans, fresh and new. But when I delete the > whole folder and the whole dependent directories (userdir, cache), it will > show the message again. > > Should I create a new thread? > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Geertjan Wielenga > Gese

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it will show the message again. Should I create a new thread? Cheers Chris Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2019 09:54 An: dev Betreff: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0 Hi all, Reema has put the installers created from the installer sources in her pull request

[DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

Hi all, Reema has put the installers created from the installer sources in her pull request on Apache NetBeans GitHub in her repo: https://github.com/rtaneja1/incubator-netbeans/tree/installer-bin-11vc4/nbbuild/installer/binaries She also has a process whereby the installers can be generated as

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part of its build process. On none Windows environments it also uses Wine to build with. Eric Bresie ebre...@gmail.com > On March 19, 2019 at 7:25:45 AM CDT, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > Hey all, > > https://archive.apache.org/dist/tomcat/tomcat-9/v9.0.0.M1/bin/ > > Tomcat re

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> > > Do the sources of the installers matter, at all? What they are is a > convenience binary, which is outside the scope of what Apache releases in > the same way as a ZIP file. > > For RCP based applications it sure does.

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Hey all, https://archive.apache.org/dist/tomcat/tomcat-9/v9.0.0.M1/bin/ Tomcat releases installers for Windows, somehow, let's follow however they do that in terms of how to release it. Gj On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:33 PM Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

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ired to be part of > the > > release too? > > That (or a separately voted on source release / third-party > dependency) would exactly be my expectation, yes. IMO it should > always be possible for anyone to take the source release and build the > installers entirely fr

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always be possible for anyone to take the source release and build the installers entirely from source without relying on anything that hasn't been released. That's my interpretation from both the Apache guidelines and how other FLOSS projects work, but the easiest thing would surely be just t

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se. Surely the sources of that installer themselves are not required to be part of the release too? Gj On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:14 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 10:28, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > Do the sources of the installers matter, at all? What they ar

Re: Installers for Apache NetBeans 11

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 10:28, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Do the sources of the installers matter, at all? What they are is a > convenience binary, which is outside the scope of what Apache releases in > the same way as a ZIP file. Not trying to be awkward, but really don't see that

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Do the sources of the installers matter, at all? What they are is a convenience binary, which is outside the scope of what Apache releases in the same way as a ZIP file. Gj On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:57 AM Neil C Smith wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 08:38, Timon Veenstra wrote: > >

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ow that meets the requirements outlined at http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#compiled-packages I think if we're going to make "official" installers, this needs to be cherry picked and included in the vo

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+1 Gj On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:38 AM Timon Veenstra wrote: > > > > 1. Is this too late for inclusion in our official release? They haven't > > been tried out as part of the NetCAT process, so should we wait to > include > > these not in the upcoming release, but in the release afterwards? > >

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> > 1. Is this too late for inclusion in our official release? They haven't > been tried out as part of the NetCAT process, so should we wait to include > these not in the upcoming release, but in the release afterwards? > As the PR has not been merged, this piece of code hasn't been voted on yet.

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Hi,    Apache NetBeans 11.0 VC3 based installers are shared here : https://www.dropbox.com/s/q1yjushmhpycfci/Apache-NetBeans-11.0-bin-windows-x64.exe?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/65crnzvux7p7jrg/Apache-NetBeans-11.0-bin-macosx.dmg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/3bo9es4m7us84xx/Apache

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on source only. Are all the sources required to do this in the NB11 branch for voting on? And could anyone with the source bundle (and right OS) replicate the process? Code is in fork branch, PR here[1]. Same script in build job can be run to build installers locally. Also posted here[2]. 4

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 at 12:36, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > 2. Voting on releases is on source code only -- this would be a binary > release like a ZIP file, would it even need to be voted on? And how would > that vote be done? As you say, voting is on source only. Are all the sources required to d

Re: Installers for Apache NetBeans 11

On 3/12/19 5:35 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Hi all, Reema and others have put together installers for Windows and Linux: https://builds.apache.org/job/netbeans-installer-test/ The questions are: 1. Is this too late for inclusion in our official release? They haven't been tried out as

Installers for Apache NetBeans 11

Hi all, Reema and others have put together installers for Windows and Linux: https://builds.apache.org/job/netbeans-installer-test/ The questions are: 1. Is this too late for inclusion in our official release? They haven't been tried out as part of the NetCAT process, so should we wa

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Regarding JRE/JDK... I thought one of the driving things about “modules” in new java release (I believe Java 11ish) was to make it so that a modularize jre could be created with only elements needed being included and the. That “custom” JRE would be embedded with the product. So would linking b

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On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 11:46, Emilian Bold wrote: > Did you manage to digitally sign the EXE on Linux? No, that's one thing I haven't looked at yet. As far as I know it's feasible though. Did a fair bit of reading around Electron packaging when making a choice of what to go with - various discus

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th third-party > solutions is a better use of our resources? > > > 3. baked into Ant - right click on an Ant-based NB Platform project and > > choose "Generate installers" > > 4. baked into the nbm-maven plugin. I have invested a huge amount of > > time

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another question is whether improving NetBean's own solution or improving integration with third-party solutions is a better use of our resources? > 3. baked into Ant - right click on an Ant-based NB Platform project and > choose "Generate installers" > 4. baked into the

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y that NetBeans IDE up to 8.2 was installed - why > can't it be used for 10.0, 11.0 ? > 2. part of the NB code base > 3. baked into Ant - right click on an Ant-based NB Platform project and > choose "Generate installers" > 4. baked into the nbm-maven plugin. I have

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that on any server they wish, that isn't Apache's, and share that; even use > it to create their Enterprise installers. That's a really interesting idea! Obviously other people can already build bundled installers, but as an Apache project we can't do so directly. But we

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Hi Neil, It is NBI for several reasons: 1. afaik it's the way that NetBeans IDE up to 8.2 was installed - why can't it be used for 10.0, 11.0 ? 2. part of the NB code base 3. baked into Ant - right click on an Ant-based NB Platform project and choose "Generate installer

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On Mon, 4 Feb 2019, 16:15 Mark Phipps Whatever solutions you decide are best for installing NetBeans IDE > itself, application providers need a way to bundle a JRE within the > installer. I presume that everyone is still minded to use the NBI > framework to accomplish this? > Personally, not in t

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of where and why we are where we are: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/State+of+the+Apache+NetBeans+Installers Thanks, Gj www.sucdenfinancial.com Sucden Financial Limited, Plantation Place South, 60 Great Tower Street, London EC3R 5AZ Telephone +44 203 207 5000

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What I generally avoid on macOS are .pkg installers. I prefer apps that run from the start and don't need installing. DMG is perfect for that. A ZIP would also do I guess although it doesn't feel macOS-native. In 14 years Macs CPUs have gotten much better and NetBeans has stagnated i

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n > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/State+of+the+Apache+NetBeans+Installers > > This debate was had once about 14 years ago - and the decision to go with >> .pkg installers on Mac OSX was made for this reason: There were a lot of >> "NetBeans is unusably slow&qu

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n installer that downloads the JDK for the > end user, but that also can create and output a bundled installer for that > end user; they would be building and distributing it. They could then place > that on any server they wish, that isn't Apache's, and share that; even use

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pache's, and share that; even use it to create their Enterprise installers. We could even have that allow all headless creation to allow it to work in scripted setups such as something using Ansible. We could even then have Oracle and Amazon use that, but certainly others like Pivotal or even an a

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gt; > >> > > > > What we're discussing here is whether (1) Oracle is > able to donate the> > > > code> > > > > to Apache, which means Oracle needs > to make sure the code really and> > > > truly> > > > > does b

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> A non-Java NetBeans installer that can optionally download a JDK and configure it for the IDE (not necessarily installed globally) might be something we can explore. It's somewhat odd to download a big installer then have the installer download the big JDK... but it's the best we can do and prob

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On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 20:50 Emilian Bold > Whereas we need to provide an option to install a JRE/JDK as part of the > installation process. Or do you have that? > > I don't have / need that (since I can just bundle the JDK, no?). > Yes. Just wondered. > > For starters just relying on users manuall

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ers just relying on users manually installing / having Java would probably do. (Although, the trend is for Java to stop being something users install...) --emi On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:33 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 17:58 Emilian Bold > > I can share the CoolBeans i

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On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 17:58 Emilian Bold I can share the CoolBeans installers but they are no big deal, not > sure if they are good enough for NetBeans... > Well, the key thing as far as I remember is that you're bundling the JDK? Whereas we need to provide an option to install a JRE/

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ould be nice to have something like > what > > an end user might expect. I don't recall all the issues with the pkg vs. > > dmg but I do think such a solution would be much nicer. > > > > Still, willing to help. > > > > Regards, > > Carl > >

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7;t recall all the issues with the pkg vs. > dmg but I do think such a solution would be much nicer. > > Still, willing to help. > > Regards, > Carl > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 11:58 AM Emilian Bold > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I can share the CoolB

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Oh, I saw this comment on https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/State+of+the+Apache+NetBeans+Installers This debate was had once about 14 years ago - and the decision to go with > .pkg installers on Mac OSX was made for this reason: There were a lot of > "NetBeans is un

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can share the CoolBeans installers but they are no big deal, not > sure if they are good enough for NetBeans... > > My macOS DMG uses a variation of the Carl J. Mosca script does > (Carl's script has a bug as it assumes the location never changes; I > would make a PR if I wouldn

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Hello, I can share the CoolBeans installers but they are no big deal, not sure if they are good enough for NetBeans... My macOS DMG uses a variation of the Carl J. Mosca script does (Carl's script has a bug as it assumes the location never changes; I would make a PR if I wouldn't have

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Improved the Linux Section. On 2/2/19 7:08 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Hi all, Tried to gather different threads together in the below to get a thorough overview of where and why we are where we are: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/State+of+the+Apache+NetBeans+Installers

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On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 16:13 Michal Konrad Owsiak In my, personal view, DMG are much simpler for users. > So, you don't agree with that link I posted earlier then? :-) Two questions if we use DMG. Firstly, how much of an issue is what Tim mentioned about users running from the DMG, or are there mit

State of the Apache NetBeans installers

Hi all, Tried to gather different threads together in the below to get a thorough overview of where and why we are where we are: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/State+of+the+Apache+NetBeans+Installers Thanks, Gj

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ate the> > > > code> > > > > to Apache, which means Oracle needs to make sure the code really and> > > > truly> > > > > does belong to Oracle and (2) whether Apache can release the code. In> > > > this> > > > &g

State of the Apache NetBeans installers

Hi all, Tried to gather different threads together in the below to get a thorough overview of where and why we are where we are: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/State+of+the+Apache+NetBeans+Installers Thanks, Gj

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gt; > What we're discussing here is whether (1) Oracle is able to donate the > > code > > > to Apache, which means Oracle needs to make sure the code really and > > truly > > > does belong to Oracle and (2) whether Apache can release the code. In > > th

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; does belong to Oracle and (2) whether Apache can release the code. In > this > > particular case, the 2nd part of not applicable -- Apache will not be > > releasing the code that is used to build the installers, i.e., these are > > build/compile-time relevant only, so the

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ake sure the code really and truly > does belong to Oracle and (2) whether Apache can release the code. In this > particular case, the 2nd part of not applicable -- Apache will not be > releasing the code that is used to build the installers, i.e., these are > build/compile-time rele

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this particular case, the 2nd part of not applicable -- Apache will not be releasing the code that is used to build the installers, i.e., these are build/compile-time relevant only, so the question of distribution of these files is irrelevant. Thanks, Gj On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:37 PM, Carl

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not > > available due to IP and/or license issues. > > > > Thank you Gj. > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM Geertjan Wielenga > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung > > > wrote: > > > > > > >

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> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung > > wrote: > > > > > > > > That said, looking at the git zip download, there's most certainly > > evidence > > > of th

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ooking at the git zip download, there's most certainly > evidence > > of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my base > > puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build it? The actual > > build scripts I can't find, I don't know i

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On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Will Hartung wrote: > > That said, looking at the git zip download, there's most certainly evidence > of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my base > puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build

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t's fine. > > But, before I go, it's was not even clear there was consensus on what to > do, what was desired, and was positing potential alternatives. For all I > know, folks would rather have a MacPorts or Homebrew solution and tell the > MacOs users "Let them eat ba

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hat said, looking at the git zip download, there's most certainly evidence of the ability to create the Mac installers, which was kind of my base puzzle. These existed before, where's the scripts to build it? The actual build scripts I can't find, I don't know if they are on/lost with

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I have modified the creation of the pkg file in the fork I created here: https://github.com/carljmosca/incubator-netbeans Checkout the package-macos branch, run "ant package-macos" The "NetBeans 9.pkg" file should be in the nbbuild/MacOS directory if the build succeeds. Previously, I was using t

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I'm missing something here - there is nothing even difficult about building a.pkg - the format is well documented and all doable with command line tools that can be automated with any build tool. It's not rocket science. Why the assumption that we can't possibly do an installer? Apache having a b

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In the spirit of sharing various macOS install methods, I give you my “GetNetBeans” script: https://gist.github.com/swpalmer/1390e7bdb9054f327bdc7d8fb8692c51 Run it on macOS and magically you will have a NetBeans 9.0 applicati

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On 14 Aug 2018, at 17:40, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: where is your DMG solution? Hi. As another one watching from the sidelines, I offer a piece of the puzzle (or a bandaid)... https://github.com/dgreen/nb9dmg which will make a DMG if you already have a /Applications/NetBeans/NetBeans 9.ap

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Hi everyone, first of all, thank you guys for this effort to continue improving Netbeans. I've been following this mail list for a while, because I wish I could contribute to the project, but it's not been easy and I'm still learning, maybe someday... :) I just wanted to express my point of view a

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I have gotten pushback on occasion when I ask Java developers who invented Java as an early on interview question. One does not have to know this to be a good developer but I do like to consider the source when I read an opinion. 😊 On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 7:27 PM Brett Ryan wrote: > > > On 15 Au

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On 15 Aug 2018, at 09:21, James Gosling wrote: >> On Aug 14, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Brett Ryan wrote: >> >> That was a little tongue in cheek, but I do get called a dino at work >> from the young ones ‘cos I’m an nb advocate, trying to sway them. > > I get the same reaction at work…. From

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> On Aug 14, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Brett Ryan wrote: > > That was a little tongue in cheek, but I do get called a dino at work > from the young ones ‘cos I’m an nb advocate, trying to sway them. I get the same reaction at work…. From people who use Vi and Emacs. I have a hard time believing

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ing > list here. They'll simply use something else - perhaps blogging about the > experience, or writing something on social media, or telling friends "don't > use NetBeans". Because other software provides better installers? That was a little tongue in cheek, but I

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Will Hartung wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Tim Boudreau wrote: > > > If anyone shows up on the mailing list complaining about performance, we > > > can tell them to get rid of the image and copy the bundle over. > > > > > 99.9% of people who have tha

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Will Hartung wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > > I created two YouTube clips during the past few hours that show the > > ZIP-based and Mac Installer-based approaches to installing A

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+1 for having a user-friendly installer for Mac users. Really, one of NB’s strongest points was how easy it is to install/configure/use. > On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:23 PM, Will Hartung wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Tim Boudreau wrote: > >> If anyone shows up on the mailing list com

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Tim Boudreau wrote: > If anyone shows up on the mailing list complaining about performance, we > > can tell them to get rid of the image and copy the bundle over. > > > 99.9% of people who have that experience will NOT show up onn the mailing > list here. They'll

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If anyone shows up on the mailing list complaining about performance, we > can tell them to get rid of the image and copy the bundle over. > 99.9% of people who have that experience will NOT show up onn the mailing list here. They'll simply use something else - perhaps blogging about the experience

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > I created two YouTube clips during the past few hours that show the > ZIP-based and Mac Installer-based approaches to installing Apache NetBeans: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-7aa2hYgc

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t;> unknown and you'll find quite a few people advocating for it. Still, >> the UI studies quoted from Firefox aside, they ship it in a DMG! >> >> i asked mainly because a zipped app bundle seems to be the easiest >> option to create here, without the can-be-run-

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> On 13 Aug 2018, at 22:11, Neil C Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 12:42, Brett Ryan wrote: >>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 19:22, Neil C Smith wrote: >>> I admit to using my mac as little as possible for testing purposes, >>> but I really don't get why a zipped up application bundle is seen

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he UI studies quoted from Firefox aside, they ship it in a DMG! > > i asked mainly because a zipped app bundle seems to be the easiest > option to create here, without the can-be-run-from-dmg downside. I'm > definitely happy sticking with zip for my own usage right now! > However, n

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un-from-dmg downside. I'm definitely happy sticking with zip for my own usage right now! However, not going to say any more on this as it's not my main platform. I would, mind you, love to ditch the installers on every platform! Best wishes, Neil

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A DMG file is, effectively, a Mountable ZIP file. The "typical" Mac Installation process is to open the DMG file, a window appears with the Application bundle and a link to the Applications directory, and a big arrow, essentially telling you to drag the App in to the Applications folder. That's a

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 12:42, Brett Ryan wrote: > > On 13 Aug 2018, at 19:22, Neil C Smith wrote: > > I admit to using my mac as little as possible for testing purposes, > > but I really don't get why a zipped up application bundle is seen as > > unfriendly for macOS users? > > Power users aside,

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> On 13 Aug 2018, at 19:22, Neil C Smith wrote: > >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 01:59, Tim Boudreau wrote: >> >> That's not a great user experience for Mac OSX users - it kind of >> telegraphs "we don't actually care about Mac OSX users". >> > > I admit to using my mac as little as possible fo

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 01:59, Tim Boudreau wrote: > > That's not a great user experience for Mac OSX users - it kind of > telegraphs "we don't actually care about Mac OSX users". > I admit to using my mac as little as possible for testing purposes, but I really don't get why a zipped up applicati

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PKG builds. >> >> It sounds like someone has been working a bit on PKG generation? If so I >> could take a look and see what I remember from days of yore. >> >> -Tim >> >> >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Scott >

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but once it works it works. > > So I think with a little work we might be able to do portable PKG builds. > > It sounds like someone has been working a bit on PKG generation? If so I > could take a look and see what I remember from days of yore. > > -Tim > > > > > &

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see what I remember from days of yore. -Tim > > Regards, > > Scott > > > On Aug 12, 2018, at 12:19 AM, Tim Boudreau wrote: > > > > This debate was had once about 14 years ago - and the decision to go with > > .pkg installers on Mac OSX was made for this reason:

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> On 13 Aug 2018, at 06:32, Scott Palmer wrote: > > Yes, that is true. If there is still a need for that, then a .pkg is > required. Is it still the case though? Given that JEE support is in the next drop and glassfish/tomcat are a part of the bundle then i can only assume so. That's not

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ownloads folder. You don’t need macOS, you just need a tool like xar and a manifest to build the extensible archive. > Regards, > > Scott > >> On Aug 12, 2018, at 12:19 AM, Tim Boudreau wrote: >> >> This debate was had once about 14 years ago - and the decision to

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Yes, that is true. If there is still a need for that, then a .pkg is required. Is it still the case though? Scott > On Aug 12, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Brett Ryan wrote: > > Not quite. Remember the 8.2 installer did install Glassfish and tomcat for > JEE versions and above. When it did this the ser

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> On 13 Aug 2018, at 05:29, Neil C Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 16:23 Carl Mosca, wrote:. > >> I have not looked at pack2000, at least not lately. I will check it out. >> > > Hasn't pack200 just been deprecated!? > > Out of interest is there a preference / benefit for mac users

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your Downloads folder. Regards, Scott > On Aug 12, 2018, at 12:19 AM, Tim Boudreau wrote: > > This debate was had once about 14 years ago - and the decision to go with > .pkg installers on Mac OSX was made for this reason: There were a lot of > "NetBeans is unusably

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Not quite. Remember the 8.2 installer did install Glassfish and tomcat for JEE versions and above. When it did this the servlet container was customised to match the users preferences. > On 11 Aug 2018, at 15:44, Scott Palmer wrote: > > The macOS “installer” should be nothing more than a disk

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