Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi matthias, perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]). however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project and imo we have to continue with this approach. not everybody is happy w/ current Labs state (especially as others see Labs as a good area fo GSoC) -M regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: @matthias: apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the incubator for building a community (see [1]). perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc)) -M regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: that's stupid :-) Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id) -M On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. Sent from Android On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: see [1] - esp.: Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an existing project bylaw or building a community around it... we already know that it works and it's just about a community check - imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator itself. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for future experiments ?! -M On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? Greetings, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of the tomahawk project I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere else, I am also ok with it. Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the jars are deployed to maven repo. Cheers, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: including our very own little 'attic' :) Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing. But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). Thus a +1 LieGrue, strub From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss the correct place for it. we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the resources/community to maintain them. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. In my opinion as long this lib
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi matthias, perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]). however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project and imo we have to continue with this approach. not everybody is happy w/ current Labs state (especially as others see Labs as a good area fo GSoC) but also - not sure if changes are coming (soon) :-) -M regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: @matthias: apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the incubator for building a community (see [1]). perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc)) -M regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: that's stupid :-) Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id) -M On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. Sent from Android On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: see [1] - esp.: Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an existing project bylaw or building a community around it... we already know that it works and it's just about a community check - imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator itself. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for future experiments ?! -M On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? Greetings, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of the tomahawk project I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere else, I am also ok with it. Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the jars are deployed to maven repo. Cheers, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: including our very own little 'attic' :) Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing. But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). Thus a +1 LieGrue, strub From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss the correct place for it. we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the resources/community to maintain them. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
future experiments ?!
-M
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
Greetings,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project
I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
else, I am also ok with it.
Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
jars are deployed to maven repo.
Cheers,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote:
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
(gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can
discuss the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have
the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for
this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
often and
vote on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
don't say
-1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
situation
changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
see [1] - esp.:
Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
we already know that it works and it's just about a community check
- imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
itself.
regards,
gerhard
[1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org:
I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
future experiments ?!
-M
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
Greetings,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project
I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
else, I am also ok with it.
Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
jars are deployed to maven repo.
Cheers,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote:
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
(gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we
can
discuss the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have
the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for
this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
often and
vote
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
Sent from Android
On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
wrote:
see [1] - esp.:
Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in
an existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
we already know that it works and it's just about a community check
- imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
itself.
regards,
gerhard
[1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org:
I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
future experiments ?!
-M
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
Greetings,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project
I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
somewhere
else, I am also ok with it.
Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
the
jars are deployed to maven repo.
Cheers,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
wrote:
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
outside
and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
paperwork
(gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
we can
discuss the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
it's
the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
have the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
that's stupid :-)
Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
-M
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
Sent from Android
On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
wrote:
see [1] - esp.:
Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in
an
existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
we already know that it works and it's just about a community check
- imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
itself.
regards,
gerhard
[1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org:
I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
future experiments ?!
-M
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
Greetings,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project
I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
somewhere
else, I am also ok with it.
Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
the
jars are deployed to maven repo.
Cheers,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
wrote:
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
outside
and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
paperwork
(gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
we can
discuss the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
it's
the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
have the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
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2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@matthias: apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the incubator for building a community (see [1]). regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: that's stupid :-) Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id) -M On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. Sent from Android On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: see [1] - esp.: Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an existing project bylaw or building a community around it... we already know that it works and it's just about a community check - imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator itself. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for future experiments ?! -M On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? Greetings, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of the tomahawk project I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere else, I am also ok with it. Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the jars are deployed to maven repo. Cheers, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: including our very own little 'attic' :) Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing. But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). Thus a +1 LieGrue, strub From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss the correct place for it. we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the resources/community to maintain them. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of the tomahawk project. I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. Regards Bernd On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote incompatible components. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de +1 for moving it to tomahawk. One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs? Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a non-html5 browser is detected
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
we can
discuss the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
it's
the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
have the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
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2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
for
this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
more
often and
vote on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
don't say
-1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
situation
changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
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2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
know if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
decide
what to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
after a
release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that
has
just
been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse.
I
think
that is enough clear.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com:
hi ali,
most commits happened directly after the initial import.
that
didn't look
very promising.
it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
should
re-visit
the
option to move the components to tomahawk
(btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
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2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr
Hi,
Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
only
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: @matthias: apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the incubator for building a community (see [1]). perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc)) -M regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: that's stupid :-) Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id) -M On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. Sent from Android On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: see [1] - esp.: Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an existing project bylaw or building a community around it... we already know that it works and it's just about a community check - imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator itself. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for future experiments ?! -M On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? Greetings, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of the tomahawk project I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere else, I am also ok with it. Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the jars are deployed to maven repo. Cheers, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: including our very own little 'attic' :) Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing. But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). Thus a +1 LieGrue, strub From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss the correct place for it. we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the resources/community to maintain them. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of the tomahawk project. I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. Regards Bernd On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote incompatible components. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de +1 for moving it to tomahawk
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Tomahawk.
I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
somewhere
else, I am also ok with it.
Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
the
jars are deployed to maven repo.
Cheers,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
wrote:
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
outside
and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
paperwork
(gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
we can
discuss the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
it's
the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
have the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
for
this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
more
often and
vote on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
don't say
-1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
situation
changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
know if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
decide
what to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
after a
release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that
has
just
been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse.
I
think
that is enough clear
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
hi matthias, perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]). however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project and imo we have to continue with this approach. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: @matthias: apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the incubator for building a community (see [1]). perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc)) -M regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: that's stupid :-) Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id) -M On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases. Sent from Android On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: see [1] - esp.: Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an existing project bylaw or building a community around it... we already know that it works and it's just about a community check - imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator itself. regards, gerhard [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ? Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for future experiments ?! -M On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place? Greetings, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote: Hi, In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of the tomahawk project I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk. I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere else, I am also ok with it. Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the jars are deployed to maven repo. Cheers, Ali On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: including our very own little 'attic' :) Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing. But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory). Thus a +1 LieGrue, strub From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects). we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss the correct place for it. we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the resources/community to maintain them. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of the tomahawk project. I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. Regards Bernd
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org:
I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
future experiments ?!
-M
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
Greetings,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
of
the tomahawk project
I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
somewhere
else, I am also ok with it.
Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases
and
the
jars are deployed to maven repo.
Cheers,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
wrote:
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf
subproject
would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
outside
and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
paperwork
(gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the
community,
we can
discuss the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
it's
the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we
don't
have the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support
themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever)
calendar
when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
for
this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
more
often and
vote on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
don't say
-1. my point is that we should
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Hi,
So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
Greetings,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr wrote:
Hi,
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project
I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
else, I am also ok with it.
Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
jars are deployed to maven repo.
Cheers,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote:
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
(gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can
discuss the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have
the resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for
this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
often and
vote on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
don't say
-1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
situation
changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
know if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide
what to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a
release. Do it as an alpha
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering, isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very
purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote on
components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't say -1.
my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a
release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just
been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think
that is enough clear.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com:
hi ali,
most commits happened directly after the initial import. that didn't
look
very promising.
it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the
option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr
Hi,
Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the
moment.
I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is
slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue
tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I
guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
everyone
can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
experimenting with Html5.
What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box,
but it is really hard to implement.
About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to
work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
I agree.
I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear
about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
Cheers,
Ali
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.com
wrote:
+1
Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
Hi
That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com:
before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
module.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com
Hi
It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
The site for this project is:
http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
--
My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
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Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very
purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote
on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't say
-1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation
changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a
release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just
been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think
that is enough clear.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com:
hi ali,
most commits happened directly after the initial import. that
didn't look
very promising.
it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit
the
option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr
Hi,
Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones
at the
moment.
I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress
is
slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the
issue
tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
since I
guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
everyone
can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
experimenting with Html5.
What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the
box,
but it is really hard to implement.
About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing
to
work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
I agree.
I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will
hear
about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
Cheers,
Ali
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.com
wrote:
+1
Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
Hi
That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com:
before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
module.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com
Hi
It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next
week.
The site
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and
vote on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't say
-1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation
changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a
release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just
been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think
that is enough clear.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com:
hi ali,
most commits happened directly after the initial import. that
didn't look
very promising.
it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit
the
option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr
Hi,
Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones
at the
moment.
I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress
is
slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the
issue
tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
since I
guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
everyone
can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
experimenting with Html5.
What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the
box,
but it is really hard to implement.
About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am
willing to
work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
I agree.
I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people
will hear
about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
Cheers,
Ali
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
werner.p...@gmail.com
wrote:
+1
Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
Hi
That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't
work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss
the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the
wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
often and
vote on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't
say
-1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
situation
changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what
to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a
release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just
been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think
that is enough clear.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com:
hi ali,
most commits happened directly after the initial import. that
didn't look
very promising.
it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should
re-visit
the
option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr
Hi,
Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only
ones
at the
moment.
I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
progress
is
slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in
the
issue
tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
since I
guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
everyone
can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would be
the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside and
only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork (gas
grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't
work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss the
correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the
wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often
and
vote on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't say
-1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation
changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a
release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just
been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think
that is enough clear.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com:
hi ali,
most commits happened directly after the initial import. that
didn't look
very promising.
it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit
the
option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr
Hi,
Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
I am still working on the project
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Hi,
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project
I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
else, I am also ok with it.
Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
jars are deployed to maven repo.
Cheers,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote:
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would
be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
(gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't
work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss
the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann bernd.bohm...@atanion.com
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when
a
non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
} else{
//fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
rendering,
isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: MyFaces Development dev@myfaces.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this
very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
often and
vote on components that are ready to graduate.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't
say
-1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
situation
changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know
if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what
to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a
release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has
just
been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I
think
that is enough clear.
regards
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. regards, Leonardo Uribe
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. regards, Leonardo Uribe
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
+1 Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com: before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. regards, Leonardo Uribe
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Hi, Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. Yes, it would be good discussing the future. I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the moment. I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow. I think it will be like this for a while. We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are experimenting with Html5. What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but it is really hard to implement. About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to work, but I can say I can spare limited time. That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. I agree. I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petracek@**gmail.comgerhard.petra...@gmail.com : before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/**html5/ http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. regards, Leonardo Uribe -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
hi ali, most commits happened directly after the initial import. that didn't look very promising. it's great to hear that you plan to continue. however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr Hi, Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. Yes, it would be good discussing the future. I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the moment. I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow. I think it will be like this for a while. We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are experimenting with Html5. What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but it is really hard to implement. About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to work, but I can say I can spare limited time. That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. I agree. I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.comwrote: +1 Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petracek@**gmail.comgerhard.petra...@gmail.com : before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/**html5/ http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. regards, Leonardo Uribe -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Hi The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think that is enough clear. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: hi ali, most commits happened directly after the initial import. that didn't look very promising. it's great to hear that you plan to continue. however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr Hi, Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. Yes, it would be good discussing the future. I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the moment. I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow. I think it will be like this for a while. We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are experimenting with Html5. What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but it is really hard to implement. About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to work, but I can say I can spare limited time. That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. I agree. I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com: before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. regards, Leonardo Uribe -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
hi leo, imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't say -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com Hi The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think that is enough clear. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: hi ali, most commits happened directly after the initial import. that didn't look very promising. it's great to hear that you plan to continue. however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr Hi, Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. Yes, it would be good discussing the future. I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the moment. I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow. I think it will be like this for a while. We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are experimenting with Html5. What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but it is really hard to implement. About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to work, but I can say I can spare limited time. That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. I agree. I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com: before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. regards, Leonardo Uribe -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote on components that are ready to graduate. On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi leo, imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't say -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com Hi The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think that is enough clear. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: hi ali, most commits happened directly after the initial import. that didn't look very promising. it's great to hear that you plan to continue. however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr Hi, Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. Yes, it would be good discussing the future. I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the moment. I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow. I think it will be like this for a while. We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are experimenting with Html5. What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but it is really hard to implement. About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to work, but I can say I can spare limited time. That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. I agree. I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com: before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. regards, Leonardo Uribe -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
@grant: +1 regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote on components that are ready to graduate. On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi leo, imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't say -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com Hi The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think that is enough clear. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: hi ali, most commits happened directly after the initial import. that didn't look very promising. it's great to hear that you plan to continue. however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr Hi, Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. Yes, it would be good discussing the future. I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the moment. I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow. I think it will be like this for a while. We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are experimenting with Html5. What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but it is really hard to implement. About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to work, but I can say I can spare limited time. That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. I agree. I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com: before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. regards, Leonardo Uribe -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr -- Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Hi, The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. Yes, exactly. Everyone is using maven, and even I am annoyed when I try to use this library in another machine for the first time, since there is no repo for maven to download it. IMHO, having release cycles for the project would be really great. I also know the project needs more effort, but first thing we need is feedback. we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). If you think this way is better for the project, then IMHO it is also OK. I think this would be an advantage for the project if more people are going to participate. But what are the advantages of moving into sandbox? Or, I should ask, what are the concerns with the current way? If we clear this, we can easily decide :) Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: @grant: +1 regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote on components that are ready to graduate. On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi leo, imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't say -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com Hi The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think that is enough clear. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: hi ali, most commits happened directly after the initial import. that didn't look very promising. it's great to hear that you plan to continue. however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr Hi, Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. Yes, it would be good discussing the future. I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the moment. I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow. I think it will be like this for a while. We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are experimenting with Html5. What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but it is really hard to implement. About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to work, but I can say I can spare limited time. That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. I agree. I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com: before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribelu4...@gmail.com Hi It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week. The site for this project is: http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ If no objections I'll do the
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
hi ali, @maven dependency: we can deploy a snapshot to the (maven) snapshot-repository at any time. @release cycle: that won't change with tomahawk. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/22 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr Hi, The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. Yes, exactly. Everyone is using maven, and even I am annoyed when I try to use this library in another machine for the first time, since there is no repo for maven to download it. IMHO, having release cycles for the project would be really great. I also know the project needs more effort, but first thing we need is feedback. we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). If you think this way is better for the project, then IMHO it is also OK. I think this would be an advantage for the project if more people are going to participate. But what are the advantages of moving into sandbox? Or, I should ask, what are the concerns with the current way? If we clear this, we can easily decide :) Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: @grant: +1 regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Grant Smith work.gr...@gmail.com I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote on components that are ready to graduate. On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi leo, imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i don't say -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com Hi The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts after a release. Do it as an alpha release means ... software that has just been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. I think that is enough clear. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com: hi ali, most commits happened directly after the initial import. that didn't look very promising. it's great to hear that you plan to continue. however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/10/21 Ali Ok al...@aliok.com.tr Hi, Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. Yes, it would be good discussing the future. I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the moment. I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow. I think it will be like this for a while. We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are experimenting with Html5. What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but it is really hard to implement. About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to work, but I can say I can spare limited time. That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. I agree. I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. Cheers, Ali On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz werner.p...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: Hi That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha release. I don't see reasons to block a release. regards, Leonardo Uribe 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com: before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module. regards, gerhard
