Correct. And they continually iterate their products, which are
easily changed, based on user feedback. I think sometimes we may lose
sight of the world of tangible electronic products with UI's that run
on embedded software and maybe even no internet connection. It seems
like we
one thing I'd be *very* interested in knowing is:
How many of us have taken a course/class or program/degree that had
interaction design in the name? Or even close..?
reason I ask is that I think it's a really interesting time for IxD,
(I assume) most of our respected members of the community
There is also Clusty.com, Quintura.com, Kartoo.com and viewzi.com
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Hi Marie:
Suggest one way to practice would be to take the findings from a
usability test and start to sketch a wire frame to illustrate
improvements from a previous design.
As you make the changes to the wire frame, think about the story you
would tell someone to talk to the improvements from
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Spencer Nowak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I don't think the companies you mentioned should even be considered
exceptions to the rule. Facebook and 37signals both practice
self-centered design. 37s uses all their own products internally, and
I imagine most
Hold on Andrei, Just b/c I need to learn Type to be a good IxD,
doesn't mean Type is part of IxD. As an anthro major, I had to take
stats, linguistics and psyche but no one would argue that Anthro is
an umbrella for all of those courses. Heck, no one would even argue
that under anthro there aren't
Chris, I think your argument is problematic and gives way too much
deconstruction to an area with a very precise history. Serge Larry
designed the first Google search themselves, for themselves from
engineering to the UI. It hasn't changed since. Any deconstruction
that leads to a UCD process
I'm sorry but one of the main goals of UCD is to avoid
self-centered design. Once you go that route in any way, you are
not applying UCD methods. Unless you consider users beyond your 4
walls, it ain't UCD. Simple.
Ignoring our best examples of successful design feels like bad
business. It is
Folks,
If you've every thought that newcomers to HCI/IxDA could benefit from
your experience, perhaps you might consider directing the Masters in
HCI Program at Carnegie Mellon University. I've been doing it for 11
years and it's time for me to pass the baton and get back to more
research,
producing *reliable, repeatable* results, which is what most
businesses need and want
How do we know this?
Take a popular field of contention: an endless coterie of businesses
tried to follow their tried and true, reliable and repeatable
processes to compete against the iPod, iTunes, iTunes
hi alla,
you might want to check the visual query module of the visuos concept:
http://visuos.com
*note*
the site will be completely relaunched in mid july!
visuos the book will be available as budget ebook version then.
cheers,
clemens.
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dr. clemens lango
http://interactiondesign.de
Jonas Lowgren a prof of IxD @ Malmo posted this article on aesthetics
in IxD earlier this month.
Check it out! I like his issues, but hoped he would have gone deeper
into actually describing qualities of interaction aesthetics more.
http://webzone.k3.mah.se/k3jolo/Material/aesthetics_of_ixd.pdf
Many thanks to Fit Associates Marc Rettig, Jenna Date, and Dana Pruszynski
for hosting and presenting the IXDA Pittsburgh June Meeting on June 18.
With approximately 30 attendees, this event had the highest turnout for IxDA
Pittsburgh. Jenna and Marc engaged the audience in how nurturing client
If it's not too late to chime in, :
%u2022 basket sounds like a good term for this add audience:
add to basket
%u2022 as important as the actual phrase might be some hand-holding
during the first few weeks after rolling out the buy function; t
letting your audience know that:
* you can now buy
How about Get it? - Informal and to the point.
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On Jun 23, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
On Jun 23, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Fred Beecher wrote:
Overall, I like your modifications... But I might leave Interface
Design
in there.
Ok... this is probably a semantic problem. What
David,
Thanks for noticing. And yes, I would like to go deeper. Much deeper.
The context for that particular piece is as follows: I wrote it as a
position statement for an upcoming workshop on The study of visual
aesthetics in HCI. Hence the superficial treatment of multiple
issues, each
For me, I think it's about speed.
While I am heartily rooting for the success of my friends and former
co-workers who have joined Viewzi, I still feel like Search Results
should be a pit stop instead of a destination.
Maybe I have too much DOS in me. Maybe there's another component
that just
This is good - especially read in light of the papers by Bertlesen and
most recently Bardzel's survey paper presented at the most recent CHI.
I'm going to reread this now on the train.
will evans
user experience architect
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On Jun 24, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Jonas
This is a very interesting question... the real heart of the matter is
that users have a huge amount of experience with the list model. Any
innovation attempts have the deck stacked against them due to the
largely utilitarian nature of web search and this experience.
I wrote a very
Hi Allison,
Thought I'd chime in here also as I am in a similar boat to Adam (with
looking at an advanced degree to further my interest in the field). I too
would have to relocate my entire family, wife and kids, in order to pursue
an advanced degree at a school worth going to.
Relocating for a
Just a quick reminder that our panel on business fluency for designers
is TOMORROW at Adobe. We have a great big space so let's pack the
house!
http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/787905
Hope to see you there!
-IxDA SF team
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Hello friends-
For our July event we're turning the tables and looking to you, our
San Francisco community, to supply the content. The event is called
VizFarm, and it will feature data visualizations in short 5 minute
bursts from our community. What have you been up to lately? Let us
Hey All,
Want to work on accounts such as Virgin America, NBA, 2K Games, application
ux development and numerous other larger web projects. Check out
www.rokkan.com
ROKKAN, a New York City based interactive agency, is looking for Jr./Sr.
full-time and freelance Information Architects. As a
As the number of gesture, movement and body-based interfaces increases, it
strikes me that there is a need for documenting and analyzing these
interactions from a body-centric perspective.
Yet, I can find very few instances where a somatic or movement analysis
and notation system such as Laban
I'm sorry but one of the main goals of UCD is to avoid
self-centered design. Once you go that route in any way, you are
not applying UCD methods. Unless you consider users beyond your 4
walls, it ain't UCD. Simple.
If 37signals really is designing exclusively to scratch their own itch,
then
As counter examples, I have personal experience with software companies
focused on software devs who turn out, let's say, less than usable
products.
This is hardly a counter-example. There are approaches other than UCD that
are every bit as valid and every bit as successful. Not practicing
On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Doug Fox wrote:
As the number of gesture, movement and body-based interfaces
increases, it
strikes me that there is a need for documenting and analyzing these
interactions from a body-centric perspective.
I'm covering this in the Interactive Gestures book,
Are there any advocates of the idea that UCD is broken out there that can
clarify what they see the problem with UCD to be?
I suppose that would be me.
UCD is filled with problems. Here's a list.
- User research is horribly unreliable, either because it's done poorly,
not done to a
See original comment, followed by a response.
original
Regarding cranking out design, I would NEVER underestimate what you learn
when you have exposure to lots of work with tight deadlines. I'd say this
is
the best experience an IxD practitioner could have, if it's coupled with
varied
On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:28 AM, dave malouf wrote:
Hold on Andrei, Just b/c I need to learn Type to be a good IxD,
doesn't mean Type is part of IxD.
That makes no sense. Really.
--
Andrei Herasimchuk
Principal, Involution Studios
innovating the digital world
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c. +1 408
I don't have time for a long response, but some quick comments:
It's interesting that some of the same people saying UCD is dead are the
same ones saying they don't know what it is and are constantly trying to
define it. How can it be dead if we don't know what it is? Seems like a lot
of the
Hi All:
In a reply on the original thread (IxDA), David Malouf said:
' UCD is a collection of methods, not the act of thinking of users.'
I think that is the core of why this discussion goes on and on.
If all UCD is, is a collection of techniques then of course they will become
antiquated in
Reading this conversation is making my head hurt. It seems like a
waste of time debating the definition and importance of such a vague
term as UCD.
In my workplace people through our 'user centered' and 'user
experience' largely without any real thought or concern for the user.
Frankly, most of
Lastly, and I guess I will put Robert on the spot here, if you don't
believe the current state of identifying, researching and applying
user data is up to snuff, then why not try to improve methods?
What makes you think I would do all this complaining without offering an
alternative?
I haven't studied Labanotation (yet!) but I have studied Alexander
technique and dance. In my experience, most people without training
in movement do not really have a conscious understanding of what
their body is doing in space. So, if you were going to build
something based on a
To play Amen chorus to Charlie, with whom I strong agree, let me add one
more important thing UCD is, perhaps the most important thing:
UCD is a political stance, a position of political advocacy on behalf of
what some may call at worst an oppressed or often overlooked group or class
or people:
Nice article, but it does not really address the primary problem with
the current state of design research.
You can not effectively 'gear up' and do user research in the web
world (or any other evolving moving market). It moves to damn fast.
And on one of the only issues that I will side with the
Charles B. Kreitzberg wrote:
However, I do not think of UCD as a collection of techniques or even the
'act of thinking of users. To me it is a philosophy that grew out of the
dissatisfaction that many felt with the way software was being developed
in
the early days of computing. Much software
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--Tamara
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Tamara,
I've used these folks in the past and was quite impressed with the
facilities, not to mention the staff.
http://www.awres.com/ExecutiveOffices/facilities.htm
Dave
Roundarch
Welcome to the Interaction Design Association
In my view, when we talk about UCD, we are talking about tools and as such
can be used for good or for bad. UCD makes sense when it comes to
interactive products, so we better know who will use the product and what it
really needs is essential, after all we are not working on something for his
own
A new application that borrows from the same 3-d concepts as
coverflow, searchme.com, etc is called SpaceTime -
http://www.spacetime.com/
It is a windows desktop application.
They've introduced a couple new and interesting concepts.
Dave
Nice article, but it does not really address the primary problem with
the current state of design research.
And that would be?
You can not effectively 'gear up' and do user research in the web
world (or any other evolving moving market). It moves to damn fast.
Agreed. Hence the
I've written a post awhile back about UCD, citing some issues and how
it's more important to consider UCD as an overarching philosophy
balancing multiple centers, driven by the simple yet powerful premise
that people matter (it's quite shocking how many companies don't truly
get this).
It's worth nothing that a near majority of breakthroughs in what we
consider good interface design were driven by people with none of the
trainings or backgrounds we obsess about here. They would almost all
describe themselves primarily as programmers, engineers or entrepreneurs.
Bravo,
Mark:
Your comment...
Yes, programmers and business people can mess things up - I do agree with
you Charles. But they're also on the list of people that made the big leaps
in design and UI happen.
...is completely on target. I started as a programmer and migrated to UX
because I was so
On Jun 24, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote:
I agree 100%, but I also wonder if this is how UCD, GDD, and others
came
about in the first place
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User-centered_design
It's interesting to note how little there is about design in an entry
titled user
I used Fieldworks Chicago a couple of weeks ago. I brought my own user
machine, but supposedly they have Morae for client use as well.
They were very friendly, helpful and if I do work in Chicago again, I'll
definitely use them.
Note: They are outside of O'Hare, so keep that in mind. In
What I don't agree with is the idea that you must discard the past to move
forward. For me, that's too cheap and easy an approach.
I greatly respect your willingness to pay close attention to and consider
opposing arguments, but this particular point bothers me.
The past is filled with far
Here is my only problem with the discussion so far. It's at best anecdotal
based. (Robert - this isn't pointed at you - to the discussion, so no one
should take this personal).
Most Many etc when those are completely normative statements not backed
up by real numbers. I concede, heartily, that
No, I wasn't comparing the financial difference between relocating
for school vs. relocating for work. Not everyone gets financial
assistance when relocating, and some moving costs are unrecoverable,
but it's not like when you get there you have no job at all. No, in
asking the question I was just
Great timing! As of this week, I'm in the position of designing an
alarm clock -- something I've been dying to do for quite a few years
now.
One of the things I've always craved in my own clock was a slow
ramping of volume from zero to whatever max volume I'd originally
set the alarm to go off
Speaking strictly for myself, I am prepared to overlook the phrase
Great timing, but don't do it again :)
As long as you're designing an alarm clock, why not allow the user to
set the start noise time, the end noise time and the beginning
and ending volumes?
katie
Great timing! As of
I know I shouldnt get into another fruitless discussion with you but your
post is just too off base to ignore. I promise to the list this will be my
one and only post on your points.
I said:
What I don't agree with is the idea that you must discard the past to move
forward. For me,
Hey! I 100% agree with Andrei.
What gets me about UX UCD of late are the folks that jones Lowgren
calls out in the previously referenced article (different thread) the
HCI side of IxD.
Chsrlie, I'm picking on you b/c you outlined why UCD came into
being. UCD is an engineers answer to engineering
Hi -
Sorry for the slightly off-topic posting, but the quality of this list
makes it my first choice; and I expect some of you have experience with
this question.
I may have a chance to work for a small (3-person) startup. They have
seed capital, a good idea, a wireframe, and are now
maybe we are passing in the night here...
I thought you were saying that b/c Dan I were including courses
like type or graphic design theory, that that meant IxD is a holistic
design discipline like the way you seem to use Interface design.
Assuming I got that right. I was countering you
So I just got back from dinner - and I seem to have over 100+ ixda list
emails going back a while I was up to date as of this afternoon. Did the
listserver hiccup?
Any ideas?
--
~ will
Where you innovate, how you innovate,
and what you innovate are design problems
I caught the inadvertent Great timing pun too late... The post had
already left the station.
I'm focusing on providing some elegant features to the functionality of the
alarm that will ease people into their day. The slow ramp is something I've
always wanted. (I haven't quite figured out the
On Jun 24, 2008, at 6:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was countering you perspective of my POV
as becoming more online with your own by stating that just b/c the
course of study requires adjacent material doesn't mean that the
discipline itself doesn't at it core have a distinctiveness of
I wrote about my alarm clock quite some time ago here:
http://designaday.tumblr.com/post/1116463/why-i-have-an-ugly-alarm-clock
So, Shaun, make it really easy to set the time, and make it an
aesthetically pleasing industrial design, and I'm sold.
Jack
Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
First off, I have to say I was surprised in the directions this thread
took. Not quite what I expected, but it is certainly interesting. Thanks
to everyone who is participating. It is great to get different
perspectives.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My July 2006 wake up call about this alarming topic was documented at:
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/nomodes
Here's the text:
The devolution of a clock
Some time during the 1990's, I purchased a Braun travel alarm
that was a delight to own until it eventually died last year. I
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