Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-10-02 Thread michael
> The thing is, for me at least, justifying the cost of these > critters. > The one you've just mentioned likely costs around $600. For that > kind of > money I might as well purchase a laptop and get all the > functionality > I'd need as opposed to a small and very "resource" limited palm > pilot

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-10-02 Thread Mark Weaver
Vincent Danen wrote: On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 10:21:21PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah well, maybe someone smarter than me can port vi to palmos... =) See, we're on the same page here - c'mon 'someone', get to portin' =) Seriously though, it seems we have similar problems; cost too much for t

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-10-01 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 10:21:21PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ah well, maybe someone smarter than me can port vi to palmos... =) > > See, we're on the same page here - c'mon 'someone', get to portin' =) > > Seriously though, it seems we have similar problems; cost too much > for the ones

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-10-01 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 09:54:43PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: > > I've been looking for something that will let me do programming on my palm > > (and a word processor is *not* optimal for this), but having vi (or emacs, > > really) would be really really useful (sometimes I can't justify haulin

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-10-01 Thread Mark Weaver
James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 22:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there are fools like me who have Linux running on a Palm III . Not that I use it much anymore. Having to much fun with my laptop. James So how hard was that to set up? And did it have all the function of the p

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-10-01 Thread Mark Weaver
James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:01, Mark Weaver wrote: Vincent Danen wrote: Your wife won't let you haul around the laptop either, eh? =) Well, I just spent some time googling and the closest I've come is a version of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy in

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-09-30 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 22:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Then there are fools like me who have Linux running on a Palm III > > . > > Not that I use it much anymore. Having to much fun with my > > laptop. > > > > James > > So how hard was that to set up? And did it have all the function > of

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-09-30 Thread michael
> Then there are fools like me who have Linux running on a Palm III > . > Not that I use it much anymore. Having to much fun with my > laptop. > > James So how hard was that to set up? And did it have all the function of the palmos? -- Michael Holt Snohomish, WA (o_ [E

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-09-30 Thread michael
[snip] > Or, rather, > some nice > "geek" apps for PalmOS. =) > > I use my Palm more for note taking, the calendar, and address > book.. working > on word docs on it is a definite bonus. But I want to take that a > step > further. =) I know there is a ssh for palmos (would have to hunt > thru

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-09-30 Thread James Sparenberg
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 08:50, Vincent Danen wrote: > On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 08:00:49PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > WinCE??? What are you thinking??? :) > > I'm thinking there is probably a hack to let me get Linux on a machine that > would run WinCE. =) > > > What abou

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-30 Thread James Sparenberg
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:01, Mark Weaver wrote: > Vincent Danen wrote: > > > > Your wife won't let you haul around the laptop either, eh? =) > > > > Well, I just spent some time googling and the closest I've come is a > > version of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy > > i

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-30 Thread James Sparenberg
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 18:34, Vincent Danen wrote: > On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:18:50PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: > > > >Hey all, > > >I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever > > >since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... > > > > > >mike > > > > Hi Mi

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-30 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 01:42:48PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: > >It started originally as sympa and never changed. The only reason I got > >the > >mandrakesecure lists running under ezmlm-idx is because I use qmail on the > >mandrakesecure.net server. > > > >That will likely change in the future,

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-30 Thread Mark Weaver
Vincent Danen wrote: On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 11:58:32AM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: hehehe... well, my wife knows not to argue about laptops on vacation... I don't go anywhere for a long period of time without my machine. I remember last year going to the mountains with my dad and brother... brough

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-30 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 11:58:32AM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: > >hehehe... well, my wife knows not to argue about laptops on vacation... I > >don't go anywhere for a long period of time without my machine. I remember > >last year going to the mountains with my dad and brother... brought my > >iboo

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-30 Thread Mark Weaver
Vincent Danen wrote: hehehe... well, my wife knows not to argue about laptops on vacation... I don't go anywhere for a long period of time without my machine. I remember last year going to the mountains with my dad and brother... brought my ibook with me and it went hiking around the rockies with

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-30 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 11:01:38PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: > >Your wife won't let you haul around the laptop either, eh? =) > > > >Well, I just spent some time googling and the closest I've come is a > >version of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy > >instead of the Tungst

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-09-30 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 08:00:49PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [snip] > > WinCE??? What are you thinking??? :) I'm thinking there is probably a hack to let me get Linux on a machine that would run WinCE. =) > What about the Zaurus; is it any good? I was really hyped for the I don't kno

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-09-30 Thread mooney
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 06:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:41:39PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: > > [snip] > > WinCE??? What are you thinking??? :) > What about the Zaurus; is it any good? I was really hyped for the > Agenda VR3 a few years ago, but they died and I got rea

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-29 Thread Mark Weaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Mark, Well, I've got one of those fold up keyboards that I love using. I REALLY enjoy sitting on the ferry on my way home from work and typing email or whatever and being able to edit text and save it to my smart media card which resides in my memplug on the visor and

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)

2003-09-29 Thread michael
> On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:41:39PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: [snip] WinCE??? What are you thinking??? :) What about the Zaurus; is it any good? I was really hyped for the Agenda VR3 a few years ago, but they died and I got really disappointed. I've grown pretty used to the PalmOS and I've als

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-29 Thread Mark Weaver
Vincent Danen wrote: Your wife won't let you haul around the laptop either, eh? =) Well, I just spent some time googling and the closest I've come is a version of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy instead of the Tungsten). There's one for the Zaurus as well, which wasn't

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-29 Thread michael
Hey Mark, Well, I've got one of those fold up keyboards that I love using. I REALLY enjoy sitting on the ferry on my way home from work and typing email or whatever and being able to edit text and save it to my smart media card which resides in my memplug on the visor and holds plenty of data. If

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-29 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:41:39PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: > >I dunno... I think vi on my palm would rock. Better than the note > >pad or memo pad, and while having Documents To Go is cool, I think > >having vi on their instead would be awesome. > > > >I've been looking for something that will l

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-29 Thread Mark Weaver
Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:18:50PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hey all, I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... mike Hi Mike, I admit its a novel idea, but why? writing on a visor is hard

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-29 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:18:50PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: > >Hey all, > >I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever > >since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... > > > >mike > > Hi Mike, > > I admit its a novel idea, but why? writing on a visor is ha

Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-29 Thread Mark Weaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... mike Hi Mike, I admit its a novel idea, but why? writing on a visor is hard enough. throw VI into the mix and I have a feeling the vi

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-28 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:09, J.C. Woods wrote: > James Sparenberg wrote: > > >On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 16:17, lorne wrote: > > > > > >>On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:41 pm, J.C. Woods wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Nothing better than a "vi cheatsheet"! It just so happens I have such a

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-28 Thread J.C. Woods
James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 16:17, lorne wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:41 pm, J.C. Woods wrote: Nothing better than a "vi cheatsheet"! It just so happens I have such a page running on my apache server. It has all the shortcuts outlined in brevity. All are wel

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 16:17, lorne wrote: > On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:41 pm, J.C. Woods wrote: > > > > > Nothing better than a "vi cheatsheet"! It just so happens I have such a > > page running on my apache server. It has all the shortcuts outlined in > > brevity. All are welcome to downl

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread lorne
On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:41 pm, J.C. Woods wrote: > Nothing better than a "vi cheatsheet"! It just so happens I have such a > page running on my apache server. It has all the shortcuts outlined in > brevity. All are welcome to download.. > > http://www.trismegistus.net/vi_cheatsheets

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread J.C. Woods
Phil G. wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Terje Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- lorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen wrote: > Hi there. > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > Can not seem to save the read only file > (not fami

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread Terje Heen
--- "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:48 pm, Terje Heen > wrote: > > > Phil ! > > I mannaged to save the lilo.conf but the word I > edited > > was changing color from magenta to light blue. > > (vga=normal) And My framebuffer is still active. > > is t

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:48 pm, Terje Heen wrote: > Phil ! > I mannaged to save the lilo.conf but the word I edited > was changing color from magenta to light blue. > (vga=normal) And My framebuffer is still active. > is this because this "blue" text?? > It seems that linux does not recog

[expert] vi editor on visor/palm

2003-09-27 Thread michael
Hey all, I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... mike -- Michael Holt Snohomish, WA (o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com ===

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread Phil G.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:48:34 -0700 (PDT), Terje Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Phil ! I mannaged to save the lilo.conf but the word I edited was changing color from magenta to light blue. (vga=normal) And My framebuffer is still active. is this because this "blue" text?? It seems that linux do

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread lorne
On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:30 am, Terje Heen wrote: > --- lorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen > > > > wrote: > > > Hi there. > > > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > > > Can not seem to save the read only file > > > (not familiar with t

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread Terje Heen
--- "Phil G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Terje Heen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > --- lorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen > >> wrote: > >> > Hi there. > >> > How to edit the lilo.conf with v

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread Phil G.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Terje Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- lorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen wrote: > Hi there. > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > Can not seem to save the read only file > (not familiar with this ed

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread Terje Heen
--- Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Terje Heen wrote: > > Hi there. > > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > > Can not seem to save the read only file > > (not familiar with this editor :-) > > > > Terje.. > > a) you can use any editor > b) you'll need

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-27 Thread Terje Heen
--- lorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen > wrote: > > Hi there. > > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > > Can not seem to save the read only file > > (not familiar with this editor :-) > > > If you are doing this a root, you should be able to >

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-26 Thread Terje Heen
--- James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Terje Heen wrote: > > Hi there. > > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > > Can not seem to save the read only file > > (not familiar with this editor :-) > > > > Terje.. > > Terje, >You have to edit it as roo

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-26 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:52 am, Terje Heen wrote: > Hi James.. > Thanks for reply. > Hmm can not understand whats happened because I can > not seem to log in as root. I am 100% shure that i > have typed the login amd pwd correct... > > Terje.

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-26 Thread Jack Coates
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Terje Heen wrote: > Hi there. > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > Can not seem to save the read only file > (not familiar with this editor :-) > > Terje.. a) you can use any editor b) you'll need to be root or use sudo c) press F1 while in vi for help d) i put

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-26 Thread Terje Heen
James, I have to edit the string: vga=788 to vga=normal to get in to graphic mode. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestor

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-26 Thread lorne
On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen wrote: > Hi there. > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > Can not seem to save the read only file > (not familiar with this editor :-) > If you are doing this a root, you should be able to do a :w! and then :q. > Terje.. > > ___

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-26 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Terje Heen wrote: > Hi there. > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > Can not seem to save the read only file > (not familiar with this editor :-) > > Terje.. Terje, You have to edit it as root. If you are root the do w! instead of w to save it. James > > _

Re: [expert] vi editor

2003-09-26 Thread HaywireMac
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Terje Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > Hi there. > How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? > Can not seem to save the read only file > (not familiar with this editor :-) you need to be root to edit and save that file, ie. type "su" and enter your root p

[expert] vi editor

2003-09-26 Thread Terje Heen
Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) Terje.. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Service

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-19 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 16:05, Michael Holt wrote: > hehe... thanks for the chuckle! I don't know where you're at but we're > finally getting snow here in Washington (couple inches) after nothing but > rain from November till now. My family and I are going to move to > California this summer '

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-19 Thread daRcmaTTeR
Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake Michael Holt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > ... > >>p.s. just to stay on topic, VI is the best!!! ;-p > > > How can a falsehood be on topic? :-) > clear evidence that ignorance is not bliss. ;) -- Mark "I suppose I should have a pithy saying here..." "The brain r

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-19 Thread civileme
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > >>Ok...I'll add my 2.572 cents in here. I would have to say that while I >>like commandline vi and I can also appreciate and use emacs, over all my >>favorite is XVim. that way I get my cake and eat it too. >> > >Speaking of Emacs

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-19 Thread kwan
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > Ok...I'll add my 2.572 cents in here. I would have to say that while I > like commandline vi and I can also appreciate and use emacs, over all my > favorite is XVim. that way I get my cake and eat it too. > Speaking of Emacs/VI, I'm looking for TeX "help

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-19 Thread daRcmaTTeR
Michael Holt wrote: > Yesterday... civileme ran for the door shrieking: > > >>SCENARIO: >> >>Son: Daddy, why do we have to hide from the police? >>Father: Because we use emacs, son. They use vi. >> >>(Shamelessly ripped off from someone's signature who shall remain >>anonymous here unless he

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread Deryk Barker
Thus spake Brian Schroeder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Just to continue the war theme... > > I don't like vi or emacs! To me, they are both unpleasant and > cryptic. I have come from a VMS background and had written my own > editor in VAXTPU in which I could do EVERYTHING - much in the same > way e

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread Ken Thompson
On Monday 18 March 2002 02:05 pm, you wrote: > Yesterday... civileme ran for the door shrieking: > >SCENARIO: > > > >Son: Daddy, why do we have to hide from the police? > >Father: Because we use emacs, son. They use vi. > > > >(Shamelessly ripped off from someone's signature who shall remain >

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread Brian Schroeder
Just to continue the war theme... I don't like vi or emacs! To me, they are both unpleasant and cryptic. I have come from a VMS background and had written my own editor in VAXTPU in which I could do EVERYTHING - much in the same way emacs gurus claim to. I still miss it. But I have learnt vi

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread Michael Holt
1:31pm... Deryk Barker ran for the door shrieking: >Thus spake Michael Holt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >... >> p.s. just to stay on topic, VI is the best!!! ;-p > >How can a falsehood be on topic? :-) > hehe! I knew that would get an answer :-) -- Michael & Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 13:05 -0800, Michael Holt wrote: > Yesterday... civileme ran for the door shrieking: > > >SCENARIO: > > > >Son: Daddy, why do we have to hide from the police? > >Father: Because we use emacs, son. They use vi. > > > >(Shamelessly ripped off from someone's signature who

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread Deryk Barker
Thus spake Michael Holt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... > p.s. just to stay on topic, VI is the best!!! ;-p How can a falsehood be on topic? :-) -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to.

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread Michael Holt
Yesterday... civileme ran for the door shrieking: >SCENARIO: > >Son: Daddy, why do we have to hide from the police? >Father: Because we use emacs, son. They use vi. > >(Shamelessly ripped off from someone's signature who shall remain >anonymous here unless he claims ownership) > >Anyway, have

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread J. Craig Woods
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Emacs cons > Huge. Bigger than some OSes. Dodgy on some terminal combinations. > > Of course, these are open to debate too. :D > (as he sharpens his sword, awaiting the oncoming war) Hey, you forgot one, the *most* important con for emacs: all to frequently, this

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread kwan
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Tim Holmes wrote: [...] > Why people get into "heated" debates about what editor to use, I don't > know! I used to have a line saying "Real Admins use ViM" in my signature. > I was almost kicked off a mailing list because of the ensuing riot that > seemed to form once somebo

Re: [expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-18 Thread Ron Stodden
civileme wrote: > > Anyway, have a nice day (A wish from someone who has had 37 inches of > snow dumped on him in less than 24 hours). Ah! I hope you were at home during all that. That's one of the big advantages of teleworking. -- Ron. [au] [lived and worked in Ottawa for 9 years] Want

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-17 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 22:21 -0800, James wrote: > > SEE! I told you the next discussion would be VI vs Emacs and no one > believed me.*GRIN* (then duck and run for cover) (referencing the long > discussion on Mandrake's club) No, sorry, it was just an automatic reaction on the pattern 'v

[expert] Vi, emacs, and editors

2002-03-17 Thread civileme
Gee, folks, we have joe, which can act like most editors, jed (an emacs clone that runs fast and light), nedit (arguably the best for some apps), nano (pico, less the licensing problems), yudit for unicode fans, and of course emacs. I use whichever one comes to mind, and I have been known to c

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-17 Thread James
SEE! I told you the next discussion would be VI vs Emacs and no one believed me.*GRIN* (then duck and run for cover) (referencing the long discussion on Mandrake's club) On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:02:12 +0100 Wolfgang Bornath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's why I use emacs! > Ok, I apolog

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-17 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
That's why I use emacs! Ok, I apologize, I just got carried away. :) On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:02 +1030, Brian Schroeder wrote: > For a long time I have used ZZ (ie. without the ":"). > > >From: James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Maybe this is why my mentor in unix insisted I use :wq instead of

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-17 Thread Brian Schroeder
For a long time I have used ZZ (ie. without the ":"). >From: James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Maybe this is why my mentor in unix insisted I use :wq instead of :x to >write and exit? > >James > > >On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:31:32 + >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I am so glad I am not the only

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-15 Thread mike
According to http://www.vim.org/html/editing.html#:X *:X* :XPrompt for an encryption key. The typing is done without showing the actual text, so that someone looking at the display won't see it. The typed key is stored in the 'key' option, which is used to encrypt the file when it is written. S

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-15 Thread James
Maybe this is why my mentor in unix insisted I use :wq instead of :x to write and exit? James On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:31:32 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am so glad I am not the only one to do this. Except > I did this to the hosts.allow file. I would like to > know how to unencry

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-15 Thread sshelder
I am so glad I am not the only one to do this. Except I did this to the hosts.allow file. I would like to know how to unencrypt as well. It really is annoying that they use the X to encrypt and the x to save and exit. I have caught myself more than once doing this and the first time I did

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-15 Thread kwan
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Lars Roland Kristiansen wrote: > Hi i just made a major bummer i was editing httpd.conf - when saving i > used :X insted of :x and i was asked for an encryption key - i then > pressed enter (with an emty encryption key) and now the file is pure > garbage - how do i unenrypt t

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-15 Thread Lars Roland Kristiansen
Nope this file is also garbage > Maybe a real simple solution would be to use httpd.conf~ . It would be a copy > of what was there before your error. > > On Friday 15 March 2002 03:33 am, you wrote: > > Hi i just made a major bummer i was editing httpd.conf - when saving i > > used :X insted

Re: [expert] Vi

2002-03-15 Thread Terry Tremaine
Maybe a real simple solution would be to use httpd.conf~ . It would be a copy of what was there before your error. On Friday 15 March 2002 03:33 am, you wrote: > Hi i just made a major bummer i was editing httpd.conf - when saving i > used :X insted of :x and i was asked for an encryption key -

[expert] Vi

2002-03-15 Thread Lars Roland Kristiansen
Hi i just made a major bummer i was editing httpd.conf - when saving i used :X insted of :x and i was asked for an encryption key - i then pressed enter (with an emty encryption key) and now the file is pure garbage - how do i unenrypt that file now. ___ Mvh./Yours sincerely Lars ===

Re: [expert] VI and highlighting

2001-04-21 Thread Mark Weaver
Craig, Thanks for responding. I looked and don't have a .vimrc file, but when I found an example file in VIM's home dir I copied it over to my home dir and then entered the line you mentioned. I got an error stating that VI didn't support that syntax. Then, I opened a .pl file with VIM and the sy

Re: [expert] VI and highlighting

2001-04-21 Thread Craig Sprout
At 06:32 AM 4/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hello list, > >This is embarrassing, but there's something I've forgotten how to do and >in fact, I've forgotten where I'd written it down to, but I would like to >enable syntax highlighting in VI terminal editor. Could some kind soul >remind me how this is d

[expert] VI and highlighting

2001-04-21 Thread Mark Weaver
Hello list, This is embarrassing, but there's something I've forgotten how to do and in fact, I've forgotten where I'd written it down to, but I would like to enable syntax highlighting in VI terminal editor. Could some kind soul remind me how this is done? thanks -- Mark * "what knowled

Re: Re Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! HowdoIsetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-21 Thread Paul Weber
I will be out of the office from August 22 through August. 27. I will have limited opportunity to respond to email until then. Thank you.

Re: Re Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! HowdoIsetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-21 Thread Greg Stewart
Man, Mallard! Why do you even stop by? --Greg > "Stephen F. Bosch" wrote: > > > > How do I filter out Mallard's hot wind using qmail? > > > > Go to your options menu and set it to move messages with "Mallard" in > them to another mail directory. That should do it. > > If everyone ignores th

Re: Re Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL!HowdoIsetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-21 Thread Sheldon
Mallard wrote: > > "Stephen F. Bosch" wrote: > > > > How do I filter out Mallard's hot wind using qmail? > > > > Go to your options menu and set it to move messages with "Mallard" in > them to another mail directory. That should do it. yup - under netscape edit->message filters->new-> ... you g

Re Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! HowdoIsetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-21 Thread Mallard
"Stephen F. Bosch" wrote: > > How do I filter out Mallard's hot wind using qmail? > Go to your options menu and set it to move messages with "Mallard" in them to another mail directory. That should do it. If everyone ignores the GEEKYNESS of Linux, maybe LINUX WILL GO AWAY!

[expert] Vi-VIM The editor....

2000-08-20 Thread ibi
Hello Mark, CL was probably the wrong initials to use. I think correctly it is Command Line Interface and it's a godsend. I seem to have a big permissions problem. I can't use KDE for anything except to play cards because I can't do anything on my machine except as root. Getting on line and answ

Re: [OT] Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! HowdoIsetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread Mark Weaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I never saw a CL until I met the penguin. It's the best thing that ever > happened. Because of a video card conflict I couldn't get into KDE to > configure KPPP to connect to the net-but if learned I don't have to. It > doesn't matter. I did it with CL. It's just one

Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do Isetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread Mark Weaver
Ellick Chan wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Stew Benedict wrote: > > > Maybe this list should be moderated. I signed on to pick up some tips and > > contribute when I could. I get about 80% troll/trash and about 20% useful > > interaction. For an "expert" list, this is pretty sad. Time to tu

Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do Isetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread Ellick Chan
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Stew Benedict wrote: > Maybe this list should be moderated. I signed on to pick up some tips and > contribute when I could. I get about 80% troll/trash and about 20% useful > interaction. For an "expert" list, this is pretty sad. Time to tune up > my procmail filter. > I

Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How doIsetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread Stephen F. Bosch
How do I filter out Mallard's hot wind using qmail? -Stephen-

Re: [OT] Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How doIsetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread ibi
I never saw a CL until I met the penguin. It's the best thing that ever happened. Because of a video card conflict I couldn't get into KDE to configure KPPP to connect to the net-but if learned I don't have to. It doesn't matter. I did it with CL. It's just one more tool winflop doesn't offer. P

Re: [OT] Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How doIsetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread Jim Reimer
Tom Massey wrote: > > Mallard wrote: > > > > I think its all a way for geeks to keep their day jobs. make the exec's > > think you are worth something because you know some cryptic commands you > > can type in. The more crap you remember, the more you move up the geek > > ladder. Why do people

[OT] Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How doIsetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread Tom Massey
Mallard wrote: > You need to READ SOME MANUALS to be able to program a Mac. You may have > to LEARN SOMETHING, and would probably have to spend as many hours as it > takes to learn "vi". I'm always somewhat amused by Neal Stephenson's "In the Beginning was the Command Line", when he writes of th

Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do Isetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread Volker Schlecht
> GREAT! forces the geeks to not be geeks! Damn they hate that. > DOS? Like I said before, it's not 1983 ANY MORE! this command line crap > is for the birds. You should be using some sort of GUI minimum to access > remote machines (like servers). This actually is not as much a matter of what "w

Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do Isetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread Stew Benedict
Maybe this list should be moderated. I signed on to pick up some tips and contribute when I could. I get about 80% troll/trash and about 20% useful interaction. For an "expert" list, this is pretty sad. Time to tune up my procmail filter. Stew Benedict

Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do Isetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-20 Thread Mallard
Pj wrote: > About 4 years ago I was contemplating a MAC. I > was at the local sales/repair shop and asked to see > it's DOS. All I saw was icons! "How do I get into it?" > "You don't", was the reply. "But how do I write script or change > stacks?" > "You don't. That's what we're here for." > Neith

Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?

2000-08-17 Thread Mark Weaver
You know what? That argument is akin to say that since there is crap on the TV when you turn it on that you're being forced by the television programmers to watch the crap. There IS a menu under the 'linux' button that will let you choose 'any' editor you wish to use. And if you don't like any of

Re: [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I set the default editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-17 Thread lselinger
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Re: Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?

2000-08-17 Thread Benjamin Reed
> > I tell ya, text-mode DOOM is a very strange thing. :) > > My word... *this* I'm not familiar with... tell me more! AALib is an ASCII-art graphics library. You can get it from http://horac.ta.jcu.cz/aa/aalib/ -- they've got source and binaries for a number of different platforms. The peopl

Re: Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-16 Thread Tony McGee
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Adam Koch pushed some tiny letters in this order: > > In the tradition of applying an automotive analogy...do you know how the > tumblers in the cylinder of the switch on your steering column work? Do you > know how that switch activates your starter motor? Do you know wha

Re: Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-16 Thread Pj
.snip.. The beauty of the ongoing evolution of Linux is that it will >eventually fulfill both the need for the geek and the grandfather looking at >emailed pictures of his grandkids. This is the direct opposite of most >other OS's which use operating obfuscation in t

Re: [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I set the default editor soI can TRASH IT?

2000-08-16 Thread maiplace
- Original Message - From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I set the default editor soI can TRASH IT? > On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, you wrote: >

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