Re: off-list tempest in a teapot

So, happily making a filter (Eudora 6--but as I recall, it works in earlier versions, too) that screens for "improper off-list emails" in the subject line and deletes them, I say good-by to the topic. Jeez--this was as bad as a debate between fundamentalist protestants and atheists. -- G-Books

Re: Improper off-list emails

on 11/4/03 0:07, Steve Moody at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > When I grow up, I can start planning my second childhood. Hurry up! Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site

Re: Improper off-list emails

On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 08:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just a subscriber here, not the nanny, but I totally agree with Laurent. As nanny, he sets the tone and enforces the rules. You are correct that Laurent enforces the rules. Anyone who breaks the list rules in a posting

Re: Improper off-list emails

On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 03:47 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: Ok, come guys, you're all grown-up, aren't you? You know what I'm talking about when I mention "nasty", "improper" or "insulting", don't you So, nobody on this list really care if they start receiving OFFENSIVE emails? Well,

Re: Improper off-list emails

On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 03:38 PM, Mitch Hogg wrote: I don't see "offensive" anywhere in his original post. Just "e-mails," the phrase "back and forth," which would indicate the exchange was bilateral and therefore not unsolicited, and the suggestion that sending said emails privately is

Re: Improper off-list emails

On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 03:20 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't read the rules like you do. Using the email address that are freely available to other list members to send improper/nasty emails is the same than harvesting email addresses to spam people. People are joini

Re: Lombard price?

At 2:10 PM +0100 11/3/03, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 7:23 pm, Joe wrote: A guy I work with, offered me a lombard 333 Mhz Laaptop for $100-125, is this a good deal? don't these go for like $800? Unless it's stolen or there's something very wrong with it, that is a very,

Re: Improper off-list emails

On 11/3/03 5:40 PM, "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough: > Make that at least three of us. I'm sorry, Laurent, but trying to > control what people send to each other off-list is well beyond the > scope of a nanny's responsibilities. And frankly, your threatening > manner to those

Re: Improper off-list emails

On 3-Nov-03, at 3:35 PM, Bill Briggs wrote: This is a fantastic recipe. The result is a meal in pan. If you like cornbread this will wake up your tastebuds like no other you've ever eaten. (If you're not partial to hot food, just decrease the number of jalapeños or leave them out altogether.) If t

Re: Improper off-list emails

On 3-Nov-03, at 4:40 PM, Andrew Kershaw wrote: In the last month or so on G-Books, I've seen more OT discussion and flame wars than I've seen on PowerBooks in four years I don't really want to continue this thread, but I also don't want to see G-books get maligned. I've been on this list for abo

Re: Improper off-list emails

At 15:20 -0500 on 11/3/03, you (Laurent Daudelin), wrote: > I'm sorry, but I don't read the rules like you do. Using the email address > that are freely available to other list members to send improper/nasty > emails is the same than harvesting email addresses to spam people. People > are joining

Re: Improper off-list emails

Can you please(please, please) have this discussion off-list? Thank you all Marc That's the funniest thing I think I've ever read on this list! Let me email you privately to relay my kudos! :-P All joking aside, I'd just like to point out that the PowerBooks list seems to run extremely smoo

Re: Improper off-list emails

At 2:40 PM -0800 03/11/03, Steve wrote: This list is a good, open forum. I've been on several of Dan's lists (and others) for many years now, and frankly, this one is one of the most enjoyable. I particularly liked the recipe for black-eyed peas that showed a while back - great example of an on-top

Re: iTunes Music Store problem

On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:53 pm, G-Books wrote: Has anybody else (in the US) ran into this? I just installed iTunes 4.1, and when I started iTunes and went to the Music Store, I got a message saying that "the iTunes Music Store is not yet available in your country." Huh!? Since when is i

Re: Improper off-list emails

On 3-Nov-03, at 12:45 PM, Hamlin Krewson wrote: And at least two of us thing Laurent is overreacting. Just because I send an off-list off-topic email to one list member does not mean I'm spamming. If it turns into an off-list flame-war between myself and the listmember, then that's my problem a

Re: Improper off-list emails

vicki wrote: > Hi all > > Does this really have to go on for much longer because I am really tired of > it now. > > To unsubscribe, email: Thanks all and good-bye!!! -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer<°<°.°.°.°. http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ 9

Re: Lombard price?

On Monday 03 November 2003 7:23 pm, Joe wrote: > A guy I work with, offered me a lombard 333 Mhz Laaptop for $100-125, is > this a good deal? don't these go for like $800? Unless it's stolen or there's something very wrong with it, that is a very, very good deal. I feel lucky that I got my Walls

Re: Improper off-list emails

> > Off-list is where off-topic emails are supposed to migrate. Now you're > trying tell us that is no longer acceptable? Regardless of how > offensive a conversation might get, sometimes things need saying. Plus, > how do you decide what's offensive? Do you say that it's foul language, > angry e

Re: Improper off-list emails

You know what? Spam or no-Spam, off-list or on. This List has gotten very tiresome this past week I don't need my email clogged up with 40 part discussions on email propriety or geek debates on Apple and Microsoft politics. I thought this was a better alternative to slogging through message boa

Re: Improper off-list emails

That was a joke, right? On 11/3/03 4:18 PM, "Marc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you please(please, please) have this discussion off-list? > > Thank you all > > Marc > -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Ref

Re: Improper off-list emails

In a message dated 11/3/2003 4:08:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I agree with Laurent about using harvested e-mail addresses to send > > offensive comments to list members, which is similar to spaming! Hmmm... in RESPONDING to x privately to a comment x made in an op

Re: Improper off-list emails

Once you put your address on a publicly accessible list, it became public information. Anyone that knows your name can google and find the address you use for this list. I disagree with Hamlin too, mailing addresses are public and free information, e-mail addresses are not. David -- G-Books

Re: Improper off-list emails

Can you please(please, please) have this discussion off-list? Thank you all Marc -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | & CDRWs on Sale! | Suppor

Re: Improper off-list emails

On Nov 3, 2003, at 3:02 PM, Thomas Ethen wrote: I agree with Laurent about using harvested e-mail addresses to send offensive comments to list members, which is similar to spaming! A member complained about receiving off color responses from other list members, and they got his e-mail address fr

Re: Improper off-list emails

I disagree with Hamlin too, mailing addresses are public and free information, e-mail addresses are not. David On Nov 3, 2003, at 3:10 PM, Illovox Media wrote: on 11/3/03 12:16 PM, Hamlin Krewson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a freedom that everyone has access to no matter how smart or brai

Re: Improper off-list emails

on 11/3/03 12:16 PM, Hamlin Krewson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >It's a freedom > that everyone has access to no matter how smart or brain-dead they may > be. Let's keep it that way. > > Hamlin Actually, no. You send me a personally insulting mail offlist, I consider it time wasting harassment

Re: Improper off-list emails

Now that was the most reasonable thing said yet. I second it. David On Nov 3, 2003, at 3:02 PM, Thomas Ethen wrote: I agree with Laurent about using harvested e-mail addresses to send offensive comments to list members, which is similar to spaming! A member complained about receiving off color

Re: Improper off-list emails

Funny, I didn't see "nasty" or "insulting" in the original post either; maybe you were using a font that my mail client couldn't handle. All joking aside, I agree with those who've pointed out that a list nanny can't prevent one listmember from corresponding with another. Now, forwarding a private

Re: Improper off-list emails

I agree with Laurent about using harvested e-mail addresses to send offensive comments to list members, which is similar to spaming! A member complained about receiving off color responses from other list members, and they got his e-mail address from the list. This seems to me to fall under rules o

Re: Improper off-list emails

So, nobody on this list really care if they start receiving OFFENSIVE emails? Well, I do care, for a starter and I think it's legitimate from other subscribers to care if the offender got their email address from the list. Sure it will bother me, but asking you to take care of the problem is like

Re: Improper off-list emails

In a message dated 11/3/2003 2:55:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It has been brought to my attention that some subscribers of this list have > been sending emails back and forth with other subscribers. Although these > were off-list and not directly falling under the l

Re: Improper off-list emails

On 11/3/03 3:38 PM, "Mitch Hogg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see "offensive" anywhere in his original post. Just "e-mails," the > phrase "back and forth," which would indicate the exchange was bilateral and > therefore not unsolicited, and the suggestion that sending said emails > private

Re: Improper off-list emails

Well, my feeling on it is that if there was more of people trying to hear each other out and less of people nitpicking this would not even be an issue to bother discussing. An example would be how often times someone asks for some help trouble shooting something. The types of responses often co

Re: Improper off-list emails

On Nov 3, 2003, at 2:27 PM, David M. Ensteness wrote: Maybe I misread him but I got the impression he was talking about unsolicited e-mail of an offensive nature, not off list e-mail in general, but if you want to overreact, go ahead, most of the discussion on these lists is one person overreac

Re: Improper off-list emails

I don't see "offensive" anywhere in his original post. Just "e-mails," the phrase "back and forth," which would indicate the exchange was bilateral and therefore not unsolicited, and the suggestion that sending said emails privately is "improper." I'm guessing you're right, of course. What I was ma

Re: Improper off-list emails

As a list owner myself, I can understand your frustration with members complaining to you about offlist email. However, I feel your attempt to control what list members do offlist is going that bit too far in list administration. What, are we going to all turn into tattletales now? This sort of

Re: Improper off-list emails

Maybe I misread him but I got the impression he was talking about unsolicited e-mail of an offensive nature, not off list e-mail in general, but if you want to overreact, go ahead, most of the discussion on these lists is one person overreacting to another. David On Nov 3, 2003, at 2:23 PM, Mi

Re: Improper off-list emails

Laurent, thanks for letting us know that you will not tolerate one subscriber sending a private email to another, even though by your own admission these emails are "off-list and not directly falling under the list's rules." I am also grateful that you pointed out how disturbed you were when you le

Re: Improper off-list emails

On 11/3/03 3:16 PM, "Hamlin Krewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Folks, you need to accept that not everyone will agree with what you're >> saying and get over it. No matter how hard you try to enforce your >> point, >> the other people are free to make their own opinions. > > No offense, but y

Re: Improper off-list emails

Folks, you need to accept that not everyone will agree with what you're saying and get over it. No matter how hard you try to enforce your point, the other people are free to make their own opinions. No offense, but you need to accept the limitations of managing a list. You've no control or say

Improper off-list emails

It has been brought to my attention that some subscribers of this list have been sending emails back and forth with other subscribers. Although these were off-list and not directly falling under the list's rules, since they were sent to other subscribers, I will not tolerate such behavior from anyo

Re: 15" Ti-Bk S-Video Out problem

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Wiebe Wilbers wrote: Thanks. At least I now have an idea of what I'm looking for. > I have a "Video Enhancer" I bought from JayCar (An electronics shop here in > Australia) for $AU37. Probably around $20-25 US. Works well! No brand name > on it, it is just a generic unit sold

Re: frequent freezes?

On 11/3/03 6:53 AM, gianfranco apparently wrote: > >> I have a lombard 333mhz running sys 9.2.2 but it is having frequent >> freezes. Any idea what could be the cause? > >I have a similar problem. I found out (with DiskLight) it is related in my >case to the external JAZ SCSI drive. I does not occ

Re: Lombard price?

On 11/3/03 1:23 PM, "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A guy I work with, offered me a lombard 333 Mhz Laaptop for $100-125, is this > a good deal? don't these go for like $800? It is a very good deal! Let me know if you're going to pass on this offer. I'll give the guy $150 right away (if the L

Re: Lombard price?

Yes, it's a good deal if the laptop fits your needs. They don't go for quite that much anymore, but still command a few hundred $ on eBay. On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 11:23 AM, Joe wrote: A guy I work with, offered me a lombard 333 Mhz Laaptop for $100-125, is this a good deal? don't these

Lombard price?

A guy I work with, offered me a lombard 333 Mhz Laaptop for $100-125, is this a good deal? don't these go for like $800? -Joe -- www.kuleinc.com www.kulehosting.com www.kulemac.com www.kulehome.net __

Re: VPC & Micro$oft

At 3:12 -0500 on 11/3/03, you (Laurent Daudelin), wrote: > OK people, that was a very interesting thread but I can't see anymore what > it brings to users of G-based laptops. > > Can we move on, please? You can always continue the discussion privately, if > you need to... Thanks Laurent. -- H

Re: iTunes Music Store problem

Email em, I have had to email the iTunes Music Store support with questions as have some friends of mine, all of us have received prompt responses that did answer our questions. Email em and see if they are slacking or keeping up the good work. David On Nov 3, 2003, at 8:40 AM, John Acuff wrot

Re: Apples is NOT 'quite a bit more expensive'

Very true. Many people will argue that Apple's hardware is "so much more expensive" and then if you seek out a PC with feature parity [often hard to find] and show them that the margin is very slim, the argument changes to "well I don't need all that stuff." So in the end it makes them sound to

BLPE 1.8 on a Pismo 400

Just a quick note...My son downloaded this thing yesterday and we got this message this am... Any comments as to how it works on a Pismo 400 in Classic? We also got Panther on the Pismo and it rocks!! Regards, Mike K The grammar could be better...what is an "air"? Thank you for downloading Bl

Re: iTunes Music Store problem

On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Scott Crick wrote: On 11/2/03 11:25 PM, "John Acuff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this message? How does iTunes figure out what country I'm in? I've spent at least an hour searching the Knowledge Base with no answe

Re: iTunes Music Store problem

On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 03:44 AM, NIKON'S WORLD wrote: On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 11:25 PM, John Acuff wrote: Has anybody else (in the US) ran into this? I just installed iTunes 4.1, and when I started iTunes and went to the Music Store, I got a message saying that "the iTunes Musi

Apples is NOT 'quite a bit more expensive'

On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 03:12 PM, Nolen Scaife wrote: And for the "Apple should lower their prices" argument (sorry, I don't have a snippet for that), I have a few things to say. While Apple's prices are quite a bit more expensive than PCs Actually, they aren't. Configure *similar* s

Re: iTunes Music Store problem

On 11/2/03 11:25 PM, "John Acuff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this message? How does iTunes figure out what country I'm in? I've spent at least an hour searching the Knowledge Base with no answers. The other thing could be something with his ISP. I know the

Re: iTunes Music Store problem

On 11/2/03 11:25 PM, "John Acuff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this message? How does iTunes > figure out what country I'm in? I've spent at least an hour searching > the Knowledge Base with no answers. Really strange, off-the-wall guess, but: what time z

Old Mac software support (was: Re: VPC & Micro$oft>iBook Screen problems

From: Illovox Media <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Some bozo wrote me off this thread Then he said that because he was paying for his daughter's wedding, Steve Jobs should give him free software designed for his old machines. Ha ha, that brings me back to all the people who complained that the latest soft

Re: iTunes Music Store problem

On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 11:25 PM, John Acuff wrote: Has anybody else (in the US) ran into this? I just installed iTunes 4.1, and when I started iTunes and went to the Music Store, I got a message saying that "the iTunes Music Store is not yet available in your country." Huh!? Since when

Re: VPC & Micro$oft>iBook Screen problems

on 11/3/03 12:12 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OK people, that was a very interesting thread but I can't see anymore what > it brings to users of G-based laptops. > > Can we move on, please? You can always continue the discussion privately, if > you need to... > > Thanks! >

Re: VPC & Micro$oft

OK people, that was a very interesting thread but I can't see anymore what it brings to users of G-based laptops. Can we move on, please? You can always continue the discussion privately, if you need to... Thanks! -Laurent, G-Books list nanny. --

Re: VPC & Micro$oft

From: Nolen Scaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And for the "Apple should lower their prices" argument. While Apple's prices are quite a bit more expensive than PCs, What most people are getting wrong here is that they are not comparing like for like. I can build three PCs with higher clock speed than I

Re: VPC & Micro$oft

From: "JOHN.E.ABRAHAM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Apple should have produced their own emulator or taken over the rights to REAL PC and developed it to integrate it with any further issues of the Mac's OS. I agree 100% While it is always difficult for an OS developer when to (and not to) tread into th

Re: VPC & Micro$oft

From: Dave Bonhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please! Let's not let this discussion devolve into a religious crusade. Only the Deity of your preference knows where that would lead us to... And I don't expect it would involve much constructive discussion about G-Books. Ok, you're probably right. Once