On 17 January 2012 04:07, Hyrum K Wright hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com wrote:
(That, and I haven't yet learned how to wade through the fire hose
that is general@incubator to spot potential reminders.)
If everything is set up right Marvin will send reminders to the
project lists. You might have been
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't
review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other
people
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
snip
I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and Ant have shown heroic patience as
mentors on this project. The situation will resolve itself one
:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small
but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let
me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
in the position of judging whether or
Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk
wrote:
snip
I'll back up what Ant said
(was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Joe Schaefer wrote on Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 08:48:02 -0800:
Why do we need these obscure notions to characterize a failed incubation
effort? Can't we be adults and say it simply didn't work out, no
harm no foul, best of luck in your future endeavors
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From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun
on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let
me disagree with you
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let
me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
in the position of judging whether or
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To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun
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To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM
on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
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From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January
(was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let
me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc
Hi,
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Last time I looked, mentors were delegated this duty by the IPMC.
If not, let's go ahead and do that just to add clarity.
It's indeed pretty clearly documented already:
-
From: Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Joe Schaefer wrote on Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 08:48
, 2012 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Relevant difference: when we reject a project we do that on public
lists, when you apply to a university the fact you did so is private.
Joe Schaefer wrote
I would appreciate it if the participants in this discussion would be
really clear about their views about several different podling
profiles.
a: A reasonably diverse group of 5-7 people start a podling. A year
later, they've made a release or two, but no one new has turned up.
Mentors attest to
You didn't annoy me Benson, I think you're spot on, +1.
Cheers,
Chris
On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
I would appreciate it if the participants in this discussion would be
really clear about their views about several different podling
profiles.
a: A reasonably diverse
Hi Robert...
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk
wrote:
snip
I'll back up what Ant said -
but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net
wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk
wrote:
snip
I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and Ant have shown heroic
patience as mentors on this project
-
From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report
(was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55
@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report
(was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
It is good that someone finally explained
...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It is good that someone finally explained their opinion
On Jan 12, 2012, at 4:11 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name
wrote:
I was thinking about this differently: mentors be responsible for
ensuring IPMC has a complete picture, but normally the PPMC members
write the reports. (Not
1 responsible mentor doesn't exclude 3 or more IPMC members helping
out, but if everyone is supposed to do it, it will happen that no one
feel enough obligated to do so. Why do we have a PMC Chair? Why not 3?
There is purpose of elevated responsibility, it works outside ASF and
I am confident it
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Let's stop discussing this issue in the abstract then and take
a look at the current set of reports. Of the ones with signatures
of mentors,
I'm not sure looking at signatures on past reports is going to be
useful.
On 10 January 2012 22:03, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
Whilst I agree there is value in demonstrating a starting podling what a good
report
should look like by doing it for them, I also strongly believe in learning by
doing, so I
would still propose that a podling has
-Original Message-
From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:nic...@hedhman.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:25 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
I like Joe's suggestion of having Mentors writing a report. But I
would like the PPMC
Joe Schaefer wrote:
Let's stop discussing this issue in the abstract then and take
a look at the current set of reports. Of the ones with signatures
of mentors, I see very little to gripe about- the topics and subjects
are mostly relevant to the podling's progress towards graduation.
Now lets
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Michael Stroucken m...@cmu.edu wrote:
Joe Schaefer wrote:
Let's stop discussing this issue in the abstract then and take
a look at the current set of reports. Of the ones with signatures
of mentors, I see very little to gripe about- the topics and subjects
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On 10 January 2012 22:03, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl
wrote:
Whilst I agree there is value in demonstrating a starting podling what a
good report
should look like by doing it for them, I also strongly believe in learning
...@opendirective.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: antel...@apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On 10 January 2012 22:03, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl
wrote
...@daniel.shahaf.name
To: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org;
antel...@apache.org antel...@apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
You've identified several problems in your last
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
I hate the fact that these discussions continue to happen in a vacuum
devoid of any grasp of the reality that mentors typically don't do
a fucking thing for their podlings. No they don't discuss reports
on list, nor
@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I hate the fact that these discussions continue to happen in a vacuum
devoid of any grasp of the reality
...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I hate the fact that these discussions continue to happen
Ross Gardler wrote on Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 20:33:22 +:
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Jan 11, 2012 7:59 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It IS lame because we've been beating that dead horse for over a year now
without any changes taking
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It IS lame because we've been beating that dead horse for over a year now
without any changes taking place.
What changes would you like to see?
Even if we did require all mentors to sign the reports to indicate
they're
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
It IS lame because we've been beating that dead horse for over a year now
without any changes taking place.
What changes would you like to see?
I
And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't
review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other
people have to step up to help.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM, ant elder
I read them. I'm also in favor of Daniel's suggestion to have a smaller,
trimmer IPMC. Me and Christian suggested that as well I believe or at
least I did (although my small number was something like 30) or something,
but that's a heck of a lot less than we have now on the IPMC.
Cheers,
Chris
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't
review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other
people have to step up to help.
This Board member reads each and every one of them
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
And here we return to a thread of some weeks ago. One chair can't
review all those reports and push the bounce buttons. Some other
people
Thank you Sam.
Re Cordova: no idea why this has not been submitted. It had been written by
a community member and commented by myself and Jukka on the Dev list in
plenty of time. Jukka already raised this issue on the Dev list prior to
your mail here. Conclusion, new project learning the ropes.
Re: Cordova was completely my fault. I think after writing it and
getting some quick consensus/approval my brain mistakenly filed it as
done. Won't happen again!
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Thank you Sam.
Re Cordova: no idea why this has not
Hi,
Does not having the report forwarded imply being pushed out of the
incubator? As far as I can tell, the point being made was that there was
nothing going on in the project, and so nothing should be reported - I'll leave
Benson to clarify.
I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
Hi,
Does not having the report forwarded imply being pushed out of the
incubator? As far as I can tell, the point being made was that there was
nothing going on in the project, and so nothing should be reported
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
Hi,
Does not having the report forwarded imply being pushed out of the
incubator? As far as I can tell, the point being made was that there was
nothing going on in the project, and so nothing should be reported
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for graduatuation:
Celix
A plan is being discussed on the list, but did not make it into this month's
report. I would kindly like to ask
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote:
Hi,
Does not having the report forwarded imply being pushed out of the
incubator? As far as I can tell, the point being made was that there
12, 2012 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy
podlings)
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk
wrote:
Hi,
Does not having the report forwarded imply being pushed out of the
incubator? As far as I can
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for graduatuation:
Celix
A plan is being discussed on
On 1/11/2012 6:02 PM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for graduatuation:
Celix
A plan is being discussed on the list, but did not make it into
On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:09 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for
On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:11 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
On 1/11/2012 6:02 PM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
On Jan 11, 2012, at 23:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
-1 for forwarding no the following reports from projects that are over
a year old and lacking crisp plan for graduatuation:
Celix
A plan
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Marcel Offermans
marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
The only point I was trying to make is that, as soon as discussions here were
going in a direction where podlings over a year old should start coming up
with a more concrete plan for graduation, I started
Apparently Benson feels that it is unreasonable to expect at
least one Incubator PMC member to actually read the one report
that this PMC sends on. Yes, I'm irritated.
To be clear, *I* read every word of every Board report that we send on. I
don't take issue with whatever else you wrote. I
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Franklin, Matthew B.
mfrank...@mitre.org wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:nic...@hedhman.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:25 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
I
Schaefer
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
I like Joe's suggestion of having Mentors writing a report. But I
would like the PPMC get some experience as well, since once they
graduate they are tossed into the fire of producing real board
reports on their own.
Possible extension
in the coming days.
fwiw, I have
LieGrue,
strub
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From: Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
Should smaller incubator projects be encouraged to graduate as
sub-projects of existing projects or is that not an option anymore?
Specifically, I was thinking about Amber, which might just work as a
sub-project of Apache Shiro if they are
, then going to sign-off
on the wiki.
- Original Message -
From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On 1/9/2012 11:40 AM, Upayavira
for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off
on the wiki.
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From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy
6 months to a year, then going to sign-off
on the wiki.
- Original Message -
From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
to the mentors who are providing it.
- Original Message -
From: Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: antel...@apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
it.
- Original Message -
From: Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: antel...@apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
Whilst I agree
; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
I see your point. I still think that if you read a bad report it
does not matter who wrote it, in the end you can still blame the mentors
because
it's
.
- Original Message -
From: Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
I see your point. I still think that if you
report along to the board
and continue to ignore the podling?
- Original Message -
From: Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
I'm not worried about
, January 10, 2012 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
Let's stop discussing this issue in the abstract then and take
a look at the current set of reports. Of the ones with signatures
of mentors, I see very little to gripe about- the topics and subjects
are mostly relevant
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
I like the idea of mentors being expected to signoff on the wiki just
to show that they are paying attention, but i also agree that it might
be useful to have along with the poddling reports to have
On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
UNSIGNED JANUARY REPORTS:
Celix
Celix is late reporting this month because of holidays. A report is being
worked on, written by the PPMC and actively monitored by me. You can expect it
later today.
Greetings, Marcel
Benson,
I dint have time for a full response. However, I have a couple podlings
that are in a similar position to Isis. That is, reasonably healthy, but
small community.
The ASF is about communities, if there is no community there is no TLP.
Without having a concrete proposal from you regardunf
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
Sam,
Rather than argue about the existence and interpretation of
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
On 9 January 2012 04:41, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
This has been the subject of prior conversations, but I'm opening a
thread in some hope of reaching a definitive resolution.
Some of our
On 9 January 2012 12:46, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:28 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
...
I don't know about the more autonomy proposal but I had a quick look
at Isis. If they've never added any new committers thats a worry but
other than
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Sam,
I started this separate thread because I view this situation as
distinctive from the problem you are referring to here. I take that
situation just as seriously as you do, I think. If you'd prefer that I
drop
Message -
From: Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
Sam,
I started this separate
Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign'
the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used
as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor?
Upayavira
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012, at 08:10 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Benson
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote:
Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign'
the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used
as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor?
I feel that what I am learning here is
On 1/9/2012 7:04 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
I don't think Wookie should graduate, but it certainly shouldn't be
kicked out (and I don't think it will be). However, as I not above
incubation may be holding it back. The question for me is, can we do
more for projects that are in this position?
On 1/9/2012 11:40 AM, Upayavira wrote:
Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 'sign'
the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used
as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor?
How about simply sign off on podling-dev@? Even if it is Thanks
: Monday, January 9, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On 1/9/2012 11:40 AM, Upayavira wrote:
Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors
'sign'
the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and used
as a sign of minimum 'activity
is imo
important as well.
LieGrue,
strub
- Original Message -
From: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On 1/9/2012 12:27 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Lame. I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports
at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off
on the wiki.
My point was, all mentors need to reply to the draft. -One- of them,
or a leader in the community would
: Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
On 1/9/2012 11:40 AM, Upayavira wrote:
Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors
'sign'
the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged
them come graduation time?
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From: Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
I was even thinking something like 'miss two reports, you're no longer
On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Lame. I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports
at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off
on the wiki.
+1 on the mentors WRITING the reports part. I always try to do that
until my podlings beat me to it
:42 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
I was even thinking something like 'miss two reports, you're no longer a
mentor', but that might be a bit draconian :-)
I know I would fail according to the above criteria. But I suspect a
clear minimum would help keep me at least
This has been the subject of prior conversations, but I'm opening a
thread in some hope of reaching a definitive resolution.
Some of our non-graduating podlings have a common problem. They look
good in all ways except growth. This inhibits graduation from 2.5
standpoints:
1) they are dubiously
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
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c) graduate them, but with some conditions.
Apache already fixes inquorate (too small) TLPs (by moving to attic or
rebooting). Dead TLPs are discovered by the board when no report is
submitted.
The problem for
If the Incubator is not sure that a podling is small but healthy, then
would the board be in a better position to make that judgement after
graduation?
In the case at hand (Isis), I'd propose that the IPMC could assert
that they are healthy -- with an asterix. Never having seen them
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
the voices here advocating squashing podlings that don't graduate in
some fixed time interval
[citation needed]
As someone who has been vocal on the subject, I have been very careful
to NOT suggest automatic
worried.
LieGrue,
strub
- Original Message -
From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
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Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
If the Incubator is not sure that a podling is small
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
If the Incubator is not sure that a podling is small but healthy, then
would the board be in a better position to make that judgement after
graduation?
In the case
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
Sam,
Rather than argue about the existence and interpretation of messages
about squashing stale podlings, how about this adjustment to my
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