Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-27 Thread Gary Udstrand
Are you reading the same thread? When you crawl down off of your high horse you can explain to me where I say I care how many people are smoking pot? My statement was in the context that PUNISHMENT DETERS USAGE. You are entitled to your opinion but assuming so you would also have to believe

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-27 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 4:08 AM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices you really believe that? Did you parents ever wash your mouth out with soap for swearing? Did it make

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-27 Thread warpmedia
Lol, and he wonders why I posted the ABCD list of trying to pin down where he's coming from. Face it Gary you are the only one here still arguing this and what you are arguing I know not short of trying to prove that if it was legal 2x as many would smoke it and punishment deters usage. TO

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-27 Thread warpmedia
LOL!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] you really believe that? Did you parents ever wash your mouth out with soap for swearing? Did it make you think twice about dropping the f bomb in front of them? Why? Did the soap make you

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-27 Thread Stan Zaske
Tell that to the thousands of small boys raped by sexually frustrated and sex-obsessed Catholic priests! Gary Udstrand wrote: Big difference, without food and water you die. Without sex you become a nerd. LOL -Gary Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 12:25 PM: The time

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-27 Thread Stan Zaske
State-assisted suicide? Sounds like my kind of place to live! Hayes Elkins wrote: From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:48:53

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2005-08-26 Thread Gary Udstrand
I am aware of the history, I just think the situations are very different regardless of what you might believe. Think about it, the drugs are legal do you think all the illegal fields will be plowed under? Do you think they will stop growing their crop? Why would they? -Gary Julian Hale

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2005-08-26 Thread Gary Udstrand
Like all the other drugs from Pharmaceutical companies? Now, that is a good one. Add to it all the taxes that are sure to be imposed and all of the legal obligation that comes from being part of the delivery chain. Low prices are a dream. BTW, do you always find it necessary to be so

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-26 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 05:04 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: Yes. Ok, now I know you're just playing with us. Good one. T

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2005-08-26 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices drug use? That is just plain silly. If mary jane were legal and sold at the local drug store there would

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-26 Thread j m g
There's a difference between getting arrested for smoking something on the front porch versus getting arrested for breaking down a door. On 8/25/05, Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many of those in jail for drugs are helpless Grandma's and teenagers? Simple question, do the drug

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-26 Thread Al
See what foamy has to say: http://www.illwillpress.com/drugs.html a little humor, Al

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2005-08-26 Thread warpmedia
Ah, the ever crazy Foamy's rants! This guy is a comedy genius but should of had Pilz-E in on that one also. LOL Al wrote: See what foamy has to say: http://www.illwillpress.com/drugs.html a little humor, Al

Re: Foamy's Rants was Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-26 Thread Al
warpmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the ever crazy Foamy's rants! This guy is a comedy genius but should of had Pilz-E in on that one also. LOL Hooked on cream cheese :) Al

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-26 Thread Julian Hale
Me? I thought you were the condescending one. Anyway, go to walmart, costco, etc. and look at the price of generic drugs. You can get 200 generic excedrine for $4. 400 generic aleve for ~$8. Generic claritin is similarly priced. It's the drugs on patent that are ridiculously priced. So

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-26 Thread Julian Hale
No I don't think that the drug laws have a significant effect on consumption. I know quite a few people who indulge in a variety of drugs on a regular basis, regardless of the laws. I also know of high school students getting high on OTC drugs, which is certainly worse than smoking a little

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Stan Zaske
BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime time report? They sell it in shops on the streets using the best seeds from around the globe! Gotta love British Columbia! g What hypocrisy that we still haven't learned Prohibition doesn't work even after all the organized crime that came as a result of

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich? Can you cite one example where the legalization of drugs solved any social ills? -Gary Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 3:04 AM: BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime time report? They sell it in shops

Re: Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
] wrote: Freed up space in prisons better suited to real criminals. From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 12:35 PM 25/08/2005, FORC5 wrote: not a good reason to make these products legal. same argument for giving kids condoms. a society needs standards to live by So better to keep using an idea that doesn't work can costs a fortune rather than trying something else? Makes no sense to me. T

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Al
Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:35 PM 25/08/2005, FORC5 wrote: not a good reason to make these products legal. same argument for giving kids condoms. a society needs standards to live by So better to keep using an idea that doesn't work can costs a fortune rather than

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2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
Decriminalization doesn't mean that society can't look at drug use as a bad thing. So I don't see how societies standards are weakening. In fact decriminalization could strengthen them, what happens to those who think drugs are bad but want prisons to be used for real criminals? It would

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread warpmedia
Standards? What the hell does that mean? We got freaks around the world that think we are criminals for not complying with their religious standards and want to KILL US for it. Some standards just don't make sense when examined, many are arbitrary.We should be giving kids (and 3rd world

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary VanderMolen
The biggest drug problem these days is ICE or crystal meth made from cold pills and second a bumper crop from our buddies in Afghanistan. Neither should be tolerated and those found using should be helped medically, not jailed. Do you want your taxes raised in order to pay for the repetitive

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread j m g
But how many billions are spent on enforcement that doesn't get anywhere. Why even bother busting kids with a cigarette's worth of pot? Your taxes are already going to the 'war on drugs' and that money isn't being wisely spent. On 8/25/05, Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 11:42 AM 8/25/2005, Thane Sherrington typed: At 12:35 PM 25/08/2005, FORC5 wrote: not a good reason to make these products legal. same argument for giving kids condoms. a society needs standards to live by So better to keep using an idea that doesn't work can costs a fortune rather than

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Stan Zaske
Dr. Phil's theme for the day happens to be drug and alcohol abuse and the effects on our loved ones. 3pm Central time. Thane Sherrington wrote: At 11:31 AM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich? Can you cite one

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Stan Zaske
The time following puberty is the time period when a person is the horniest in their lives! All part of God's plan to provide for our reproduction. Deny a person food and see how warped their behavior becomes. Take away someones water and all they'll think about is getting something to drink.

RE: Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread 007
PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eli Allen Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:24 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices A few minor changes I'd make. First, I'm assuming the drugs are actually very cheap to make. So I say tax them very highly and they should still be cheaper then drugs

RE: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread 007
] Gas prices The time following puberty is the time period when a person is the horniest in their lives! All part of God's plan to provide for our reproduction. Deny a person food and see how warped their behavior becomes. Take away someones water and all they'll think about is getting something

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Stan Zaske
25, 2005 1:26 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices The time following puberty is the time period when a person is the horniest in their lives! All part of God's plan to provide for our reproduction. Deny a person food and see how warped their behavior becomes. Take away someones

RE: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 01:29 PM 8/25/2005, 007 typed: I am not sure if Puberty is when people are the horniest. Perhaps it has to do with access, supply and demand. Medical fact that women don't mature sexually until their mid 30's while males it's 19-21 at that age many females are trying to figure out how

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary VanderMolen
So we should all just give in to our impulses and do what the hell we want? I was plenty horny by age 13, which doesn't mean I was emotionally ready, or financially capable of the consequences of a broken/slipped condom. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - From: Stan Zaske [EMAIL

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
Curing cancer. From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:31:48 -0500 What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:37:44 -0700 Do you want your taxes raised in order to pay for the repetitive medical treatment

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Several. China is a lot better off now, isn't it? -Gary Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 9:40 AM: At 11:31 AM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich? Can you cite one example where the

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
You are making a HUGE assumption, that being that enforcement doesn't do anything. Most believe that the enforcement is working the way it should. It is a deterrent and as such is doing its job. -Gary j m g said the following on 8/25/2005 11:45 AM: But how many billions are spent on

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Big difference, without food and water you die. Without sex you become a nerd. LOL -Gary Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 12:25 PM: The time following puberty is the time period when a person is the horniest in their lives! All part of God's plan to provide for our

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
: Re: [H] Gas prices What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich? Can you cite one example where the legalization of drugs solved any social ills? -Gary Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 3:04 AM: BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
: Freed up space in prisons better suited to real criminals. From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:18:32 -0500 Big difference, without food and water you die. Without sex you become a nerd. LOL

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Veech
Are we at the 3-day rule yet for this topic? - Original Message - From: Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of the 30's? From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:24:10 -0500

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread j m g
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich? Can you cite one example where the legalization of drugs solved any

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:11 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: Several. China is a lot better off now, isn't it? I'm not sure. Haven't been there, but I've heard their economy is doing alright. Plus China isn't really a modern, civilized country, so it's hard to compare to the US or Canada. The

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:37 PM 25/08/2005, j m g wrote: If I can walk into walgreens and there sitting right next to the marlboro's...they're not going to have a say in the matter. Yup. And that's why legalizing it works so well. The same for prostitution, btw. T

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:48:53 -0300 At 04:11 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: Several. China is a lot better off

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
? From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:24:10 -0500 That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the legalizing

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:44 PM 25/08/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: And that's one, not several. Please give me some concrete examples of harsh drug laws having the desired effect over the long term. Saudi Arabia - caught with drugs? Bye bye head. It's also a GREAT place to live. I think that proves my point.

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:18:32 -0500 Big difference, without food and water you die. Without sex you become a nerd. LOL -Gary Or a buttfucking pedophile priest. (remembering your prior

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
USA and Canada. -Gary Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 2:48 PM: At 04:11 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: Several. China is a lot better off now, isn't it? I'm not sure. Haven't been there, but I've heard their economy is doing alright. Plus China isn't really a

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
space in prisons better suited to real criminals. From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park

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2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Your problem is you have failed to define working. If by working you mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working. If you are defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then you are creating nothing more than a canard. -Gary Thane Sherrington said the

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:54 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: USA and Canada. So you feel we are winning the drug war? T

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread j m g
to real criminals. From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich? Can you cite one example

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:56 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: Your problem is you have failed to define working. If by working you mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working. If you are defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then you are creating nothing more than a

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Yes. -Gary Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 3:06 PM: At 04:54 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: USA and Canada. So you feel we are winning the drug war? T

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
A staunch libertarian take on the WoD http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=war From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:04:34

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread j m g
I don't think locking up grandma and idiot teenagers is the mark of a successful policy. On 8/25/05, Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course it is up to you to define successful? -Gary Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 3:07 PM: At 04:56 PM 25/08/2005, Gary

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
How many of those in jail for drugs are helpless Grandma's and teenagers? Simple question, do the drug laws deter usage? What else are they supposed to do? I suppose we should eliminate laws against theft too since they would also fail your definition of success. -Gary j m g said the

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Your problem is you have failed to define working. If by working you mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working. If you are defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then you

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:24:10 -0500 That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the legalizing drugs crowd. What in God's name makes you think that organized crime will walk away from their BILLION dollar empires? Tax the drugs?? LOL. -Gary

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
You win. I guess it is time to legalize murder, robbery, rape, etc. since I cannot prove their effectiveness either. LOL -Gary Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 3:55 PM: If the desired effect is decreased drug usage and making drugs harder to get along with decreasing crime

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
I know the history, thanks anyways. -Gary Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 4:05 PM: By the way most drugs were legal originally. You may want a small history lesson: http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html Eli - Original Message

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
not *prevent* crime. - GG Liddy From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:44:03 -0500 How many of those in jail for drugs are helpless

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Your problem is you have failed to define working. If by working you mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working. If you are defining working

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
Hayes Elkins said the following on 8/25/2005 2:30 PM: What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of the 30's? From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
on 8/25/2005 2:30 PM: What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of the 30's? From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
that definition I'd say they aren't working Eli - Original Message - From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Your problem is you have failed to define working. If by working

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
. There is no involvement from the usual criminal elements of the illegal drug trade whatsoever. From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:06:05 -0500 Draw

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
rememdy of choice for my father's side of the family. From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:26:52 -0500 Never said they would not. You

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:24:10 -0500 That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the legalizing drugs crowd. What in God's name makes

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2005-08-25 Thread Julian Hale
On that note, in states where they have high taxation of tobacco, they are starting to see illegal tobacco sold, often coming from the middle east(supposedly was financing Saddam). You make a product that is in demand illegal, and the illegal sorts fill that demand. Make it legal, and you

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 03:30 PM 8/25/2005, Hayes Elkins typed: What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of the 30's? The Kennedy's still have most all of their money.. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com

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2005-08-25 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 06:32 PM 8/25/2005, Hayes Elkins typed: Marijuana laws send a mixed signal because two drugs that are more harmful, alcohol and chemically treated tobacco, are allowed to be sold over the counter. You ever hear about a raging pot head beating his wife? No, but we see plenty of violent drug

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2005-08-25 Thread Julian Hale
Crack open a history book. What happened after the end of prohibition is what makes us think that ending drug/MJ prohibition will make them walk away. The is no difference between the two. However, excessively high taxation will create a black market. Julian At 12:24 PM 8/25/2005, you

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2005-08-25 Thread Julian Hale
There was also a thriving, legal business for MJ, opiates, cocaine, etc. before prohibition. Again, no difference at all. Legal drugs will come from, and this may shock you, pharmaceutical companies... since there is no patent, prices will be low. Julian At 12:52 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:

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2005-08-25 Thread warpmedia
Let me go out on a limb here and assume Gary is either: A. Old enough to be like my booze hound grandparents who thought the government was always right. B. Just young enough to be the product of their warped era. C. A staunch conservative (though so is William F Buckley he gets it). D. A

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2005-08-24 Thread gibney
List Subject: Re: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices I am all about Ethanol. Unfortunately in the US the corn farmers are pushing for it. Making Ethanol from Corn is the most inefficient way of doing it, and supposedly yeilds less energy than what was spent in producing it. Making Ethanol from

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-24 Thread Stan Zaske
- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:57 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices I am all about Ethanol. Unfortunately in the US the corn farmers are pushing for it. Making Ethanol from Corn is the most inefficient way of doing

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-24 Thread FORC5
than what was spent in producing it, and has limited Brazil's dependance on foreign oil. From: jeff.lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed Aug 17 15:43:42 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices Hell, we can grow ethanol. Read the stars

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-24 Thread warpmedia
Well there sure is some dynamite hemp floating around somewhere these days! LOL Was just in Vancouver for 8 days and never got over to the little Amsterdam area to see what all the fuss was about. Of course there was the fear of the transaction in the back of my mind since that seems to be

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Stan Zaske
and they won't have to be replaced for 5-7 years (if the claims are acurate). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Stan Zaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices of the over

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2005-08-19 Thread Stan Zaske
LOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Stan Zaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices DOE is run by polititions and you wonder why they're scientific morons? Nice

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2005-08-19 Thread Stan Zaske
: Nuclear isn't that good. Its non renewable so won't last very long. - Original Message - From: Chris Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:05 AM Subject: RE: [H] Gas prices Realize also, a big

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Stan Zaske
: Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:38:49 -0500 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Eli Allen wrote: Nuclear isn't that good. Its non renewable so won't last very long. I guess very long

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Stan Zaske
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:59:24 -0500 On 18 Aug 2005 at 3:17, Stan Zaske wrote: A better idea is to ban all incandescent lights for compact

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Stan Zaske
That's exactly right, we don't need more electric power generation (unless autos go electric), we need more efficient electrical usage. Analyst wrote: On 18 Aug 2005 at 3:17, Stan Zaske wrote: A better idea is to ban all incandescent lights for compact fluorescents which only use 1/4

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Stan Zaske
I hate the bastard, but in this case he's right! Analyst wrote: On 19 Aug 2005 at 0:12, Tony Antoniou wrote: Bush made the BS oil inflation happen with his War on Terror. Sorry to all you militant Bush supporters out there but Bush and his family of oil-riggers are laughing all the way

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Stan Zaske
Of *FORC5 *Sent:* Thursday, 18 August 2005 6:55 *To:* The Hardware List *Subject:* Re: [H] Gas prices PPL here bitch about the prices but are not willing to do anything about it. Non new refineries in 30 years, and no drilling in Alaska. me, I'd say piss on the Saudi's ( no offense ) , let them see

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread FORC5
PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *FORC5 *Sent:* Thursday, 18 August 2005 6:55 *To:* The Hardware List *Subject:* Re: [H] Gas prices PPL here bitch about the prices but are not willing to do anything about it. Non new refineries in 30 years, and no drilling in Alaska. me, I'd say

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread FORC5
tried those, hope u have better luck then me, mostly they didn't last and I got tired to the not instant on. I would like to invent a bathroom fan switch with a built in timer of only a couple of minutes, on and off in a couple of minutes instead of sucking all the cooling/heating out of the

Re: CFLs was [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Analyst
On 19 Aug 2005 at 6:47, FORC5 wrote: tried those, hope u have better luck then me, mostly they didn't last and I got tired to the not instant on. That was the first generation models. The current ones are instant on. Check out Home Depot, they have three-paks for $5. Don't look by the light

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 09:47 AM 8/19/2005, FORC5 typed: tried those, hope u have better luck then me, mostly they didn't last and I got tired to the not instant on. Ditto that how about the poor saps that can't afford the initial capital outlay? I would like to invent a bathroom fan switch with a built in

Re: CFLs was [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 02:33 PM 8/19/2005, Analyst typed: On 19 Aug 2005 at 6:47, FORC5 wrote: tried those, hope u have better luck then me, mostly they didn't last and I got tired to the not instant on. That was the first generation models. The current ones are instant on. Check out Home Depot, they have

Re: Re: CFLs was [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread Ben Ruset
Why not just have the fan light turn on together? From: Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Aug 19 13:33:08 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: CFLs was [H] Gas prices On 19 Aug 2005 at 6:47, FORC5 wrote: tried those, hope u have better luck then me

Re: CFLs was [H] Gas prices

2005-08-19 Thread FORC5
seen those but I want to have it preset to a certain amount of time, do not need 30 minutes but a good idea thanks At 11:33 AM 8/19/2005, Analyst Poked the stick with: Beat ya to it. I bought a timer switch that replaces the wall switch. So instead of flipping the switch, you turn the knob. The

Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-18 Thread jeff.lane
My next door neighbor just moved up there. Small world - Original Message - From: Julian Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices Hey, no shit... I just live a little north

RE: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-18 Thread Mark Dodge
Crap, I'm moving to Seattle Mark Dodge MD Computers 602-421-0329 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeff.lane Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:57 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices Spokane - Original

Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-18 Thread jeff.lane
much like everyone else. Way too much!!! Jeff - Original Message - From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices Crap, I'm moving to Seattle Mark Dodge MD

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