Hello All. Please pardon this dual posting.
I am looking for one of the following: Paxman 10, Paxman 11, Alex 90, or Alex
97. All are single Bb horns, and hopefully the Paxman 10 and the Alex 90 will
have the F extension slide.
All of my usual sources, such as hornplayer.net and
If it was posted in this list, could someone please send me the information on
MIGMA horn makers?
The first hornplayer in the orchestra I conduct has an A. Wunderlich with MIGMA
on it, and naturally I lost the posting.
Thanks.
Wilbert in SC
wkkim...@yahoo.com
Walter's solution to this problem was to build a whole new linkage system for
the thumb valve. As I recall it had three pivot points. One was to make the
reversal and the others were to reduce the amount of movement needed on the
thumb.
Hey, it's been thirty years and I only saw it once.
Roberto,
The Conn you have uses a 120 degree valve, not the easier to reverse 90 degree
valve.
The only person I knew who could reverse a Conn was the late Walter Lawson who
charged $300 for this service to a member of the New York Philharmonic in the
1970's. Sadly he must have taken this
I just bought a Wunderluch double horn. Can anyone out there supply me with
information on this company? The horn was made in the 20s or 30s and is in
excellent condition.
Thanks.
Wilbert
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Anyone have a new or used Pizka gold plated mouthpiece for sale? Must be in
excellent condition.
Hans: For what it's worth, it makes my Alexander 303 triple sing!!
Thanks.
Wilbert
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I'm trying to find out some info about Sir William Walton's Crown Imperial.
Did the band version come first, or did the orchestra version come first?
Perhaps they were performed at the same time in 1937.
Thanks.
Wilbert in SC, USA
Thanks, Tim.
Exactly what I needed.
Wilbert
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Wilbert Kimple wrote:
I'm trying to find out some info about Sir William Walton's Crown Imperial.
Did the band version come first, or did the orchestra version come
Yes, we've all seen them on ebay at fantastically low prices, but last
Saturday I actually got to play one. Horrible brand name, at least to
Americans.
This was a four vavle single Bb, nickle silver, with screw bell. It was very
solidly constructed and used thick metal on the
Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How would reversing the tuning slide change the intonation? (I'm not
doubting your experience but I don't understand how this would be the case.)
-S-
Steve,
As has been noted here recently, tubing is not really perfectly round. In
For Sale: Large brass everyday mute said to have been made by Carl Geyer. At
least three players have backed me up on this, even though the mute is not
marked in any way. Very unusual design, but works great on small belled horns.
Nice conversation piece, but its size makes it a bit
The Hermann Concerto has been out of print for many years.
I played it when I got my master's, and wanted to play it again several years
later on a faculty recital. My original copy was damaged by my dog, but I
happened to find a left over copy in the files of a music store in
I, too, have been having emboucher problems for the past two years. My tone
seems to shake when I have to hold a long note in the middle of the staff.
Since I started college as a tuba major in 1965, I went back to the tuba to
see if I could still play. YES I've got a four valve
Can anyone tell me the name of that delightful waltz now being used in the
current Sprint telephone commercials?
Thanks.
Wilbert in SC
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Does anyone remember what Laskey size of mouthpiece Gail Willams uses? I've
forgotten.
Thanks.
Wilbert in SC
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John,
I've played with dentures since 1965, and have held first chair positions
since 1972. Works for me.
Wilbert in SC
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Paul,
Could you please send me your current email address? The one I have no
longer works.
Thanks.
Wilbert
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I heard the following story from a US Army soldier, and trumpet player, who was
there when the French Besson factory was liberated from the Germans in World
War II.
He was a close friend of mine, and played trumpet in the local symphony for
some thirty years. His son plays trumpet in
My Alex 309 triple was frozen several years ago by its previous owner. I
never had a chance to play it before the treatment, but it plays fantastically
well now. Am using a Pizka mouthpiece which gives me a broad, dark, and very
large sound. The notes slot well, yet slurs are easy. The
Hello all.
I need a copy of the info about taking one's instrument on a plane as a
carry on ASAP. Please help.
Thanks.
Wilbert in SC
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I was recently looking at the used tuba page on
Dillon Music's web site. Several of the
instruments were described as, Being from the
golden age of the concert band.
Judging from what's been happening here in SC,
school bands are divided into two parts - the
marching band, and the select wind
Nelson,
I currently play an Alex 309 triple. It's like the
107 descant I had before, but with a compensating
low F side added on. This horn does everything!!!
Am currently using a Pizka mouthpiece on it, which
has really opened up the bottom, but has also make
the area above the staff rock
Sorry, I trashed the last email.
Who makes the Gail Williams mouthpiece and do they have a web site?
Perhaps someone has a Pizka MP for trial or sale?
My Neil Sanders MP doesn't help me a bit.
I've been having some trouble for at least a year, but my control has gotten
I've seen players that keep a couple pieces of
knotted valve string tied to their horn. Don't
know where they keep the screw driver. Perhaps in
a flask?
Wilbert in SC
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Please pardon the dual posting.
I have for sale, to the best offer, a Geyer brass
practice mute. It really looks strange, but it
fits perfectly in the bell of my Alex and it really
works. A few dents, and some lacquer missing.
Mail for pictures.
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Anyone out there getting offers to buy stuff you
have advertised from Lizzy Kelly?
I keep getting letters from her about a case I have
listed, and the last letter looks a bit strange -
bad english, insists on paying by check, etc.
Wilbert in SC
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As a person who used a Paxman single Bb with F
extension as my main horn, and a King single Bb as
my back up horn for a couple of years in college, I
offer the following observations.
First of all, yes, the stop valve slide on a King
Bb horn is longer than those on other makes of
single Bb
Try the Conn 9D. It's probably the best of both worlds.
Wilbert in SC
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--- Carl Bangs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even better is to pull out the slide, seal the
tube with your finger,
and blow with the valve depressed.
Even better still, cover the tube with your finger
and suck air through the mouthpiece. If you can
create a vaccuum in your cheeks, fine.
Actually, I've given this a lot of thought now that
I'm pushing 60. I credit Hanson No. 2 with getting
me to take up the horn.
As a high school student, and tuba player, I was
heavily into electronics. I was always trying to
log radio stations that were further and further
away from my home in
This happened perhaps twenty years ago. At the
time I was playing first horn with the Spartanburg,
SC Symphony, and Hanson's Second Symphony, the
Romantic, was on the program, along with an
overture and a piano concerto.
I had sent my tux the to cleaners, picked it up,
and was getting dressed
For me the piece I dislike the most is Stars and
Stripes Forever.
Not only have I played it several thousand times,
but most conductors don't know how to do it
correctly. They should listen to the Sousa Band's
recording. I have the original 78 rpm disk, but I
know it's been re-issued on CD
Here in South Carolina, USA, it is much the same
way. My wife, also a horn player, has one
rehearsal this coming Saturday, with the concert on
Sunday. It's very common for that type of thing in
this area. In fact, I've played a few concerts with
no rehearsals!
It's all about saving money
I had one of these Besson horns in silver plated
brass. According to the serial number it was made
in the mid 1960s.
It had quite a few dents and re-soldered joints,
but played VERY well. So well, in fact, that a Pro
player bought it from me. I had hoped to keep the
horn, but he wanted it
My teacher, Forrest Standley, often told me that he
buzzed on the bus rides to various gigs, but he
never told me the range he buzzed in. buzzing
range never came up in lessons, and I always got
the feeling that he didn't consider it as important
as other teachers did.
I have a very low buzz,
--- Larry Jellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone use the Denis Wick mouthpiece booster?
What
does it do for you that you like?
When I first got my Denis Wick booster, I like it a
lot. I was able to play louder, and everything
seemed to center better. The tone sounded darker,
too.
I
I've held back as long as I can, but no more Mister
nice guy.
I am a horn player AND a conductor, and proud of
it.
In fact, I enjoy the conducting more than the
playing, but God has been kind, and at age 59 I can
still pop out those high e's above the staff. I'm
good to the bottom of the
By the way, I'm off to conduct the musical West
Side Story tonight. Getting well paid for that,
too.
Played a band concert in the park last night, and
have rehearsal Tuesday night for Thursday night's
pro band concert. Who says you can't do both?
Wilbert
Due to my college's summer session, and their need
for me to be on campus, I will only be able to
attend the workshop for two, or possibly three
days. The trouble is, I don't know which days to
go.
I have not seen a detailed schedule of who is
giving what lecture on what day, nor have I seen a
I have found that certain decongestants make my
playing worse too. Some decongestants work by
making the blood vessels smaller. That would not
only reduce blood flow to the lip, but raise your
blood pressure, too.
Some decongestants do not bother my playing.
Benedryl and Zyrtec come to mind.
Claritin actually makes my playing worse. My constant nasel drip becomes a
thick mucus. Great topic, right?
Sorry about the decongestant/antihistamine mix up.
Wilbert
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Hi,
Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a
double horn that stands
in Bb as opposed to F?
Gary
Bb all the way since 1965. I was a tuba major in
college, but changed to horn my freshman year. My
teacher was Forrest Standly, who played his
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is the world going to triple horns? I would be
interested in people's
thoughts on the triple horn. Sorry if this has
been discussed in detail before.
Ron
Although I've heard that triple horns are the way
of the future for at least twenty years, I have to
--- arsmiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As an adult member of the amateur part of the
world, I have to wonder if triples could ever
become affordable AND uncompromised. I know
affordable is extremely relative, but if nice
new
doubles can be had for $2500-3500, what would a
triple have to
I can second the praise given both Dave W. and Bob
O. They have gone the extra mile for me in the
past, especially Dave, since he's closer to me.
Ken P., in Boston, has also been very helpful via
email, and Ray at Wichita Band was very helpful
lately when I was looking for a good, used triple
Andromeda is actually the re-named slow movement
from the Beethoven Woodwind Quintet. Played it
many a time.
Wilbert in SC
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Yes, the same melody is also used in his sextet.
WK
--- Wilbert Kimple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andromeda is actually the re-named slow movement
from the Beethoven Woodwind Quintet. Played it
many a time.
Wilbert in SC
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Anyone out there ever play a Lidl descant?
There's one on ebay right now that interests me,
mainly because it's cheap.
Wilbert in SC
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Please pardon this duel posting.
A friend of mine is trying to sell his horn
quickly.
It's a Holton 378, three years old, in excellent
condition. The only flaw is a mark on the third
valve F slide where a brace has been resoldered.
Otherwise the horn is like new. It has just been
chemically
Took me a while, but I got it. I'm a musician, not
a speller.
Wilbert
--- Fred Baucom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 20 pacesweapon of choice: Holton 378's
Wilbert Kimple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please pardon this duel posting
--- John Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone know what the status is of
Giardinelli mouthpieces?
As I understand it, Giardinelli mouthpieces are now
being made by the Holton company. With the recent
sale of Holton, who knows what's going on. All I
know is I ordered five S 16 cups,
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Alexander horns have about the same
impedance as my horns. This
requires more work for the first three to six
months, but after that
period you will be able to enter with any dynamic
at will, from the
smoothest pianissimo to the most ringing
fortissimo.
--- Jay Kosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For me (amateur player, not particularly
strong..), using a mpc with too
large throat causes airy sound and short
endurance, especially in the
upper range. Bore size of about 11-12 is most
useful for me, on Y668N.
Walter Lawson strongly recommends a
Anyone out there have an older MY 15 mouthpiece for
sale? Need one immediately. The older ones had a
slightly smaller shaft, which I need for one of my
European horns. The current ones don't fit quite
right.
Thanks.
Wilbert in SC
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Please pardon the dual posting.
I have uncovered a possible scam using our favorite site, hornplayer.net.
I currently have a horn for sale listed on that site.
I was contacted by a potential buyer named, Helen Howard. She wanted to pay me
several thousand dollars more than I was asking
I personally feel, after having tried quite a few,
that the 9D is a far better horn than the new 8D.
In fact, at the last two horn workshops I attended,
the 9D horns at the Conn table sold, while the 8D
horns went unsold.
Wilbert in SC
--- Roberto Casalone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hy
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Hello, hornophiles--
I was listening to a performance of the Schumann Horn Konzerstueck and trying
not to get depressed about how far I am from ever achieving that level of
playing when a thought occurred:
What kind of horn would the first horn, whose part goes up to
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Ooops, oops, Wilbert, I am sorry about your ears.
This piece goes up to
high e3 (first third mov.) and several high c3
(31) high d3 (3) are
part of the first part.
Did you tune down your arrangement ? Just a half
step ?
Hans,
The Arrangement of the
I guess I'm odd man out on this one.
After more than thirty years of teaching, I've
settled into the Holton DC and the Bach 3 as my
beginning mouthpieces of choice.
Both are deeper than what others have mentioned,
and both have thinner rims, too. The Bach 3 rim
seems a bit strange, at first,
I tried buying three different horns from them
about six months ago. It turned out that all three
had been sold, but were still being listed on both
their web site, and on hornplayer.net.
Here it is six months later, and all three horns
are still listed as for sale. Guess they need to
do
When Walter Lawson taught me how to lap valves, he
said that the valve should spin freely through all
360 degrees of rotation. If a valve is properly
lapped, one should be able to take the spindle,
spin the valve, and it should spin around freely
several times before it slows to a stop.
I have
As I recall, there has been a Hill Schmidt model
horn for sale at hornplayer.net for several months.
The price is $6,000, which is quite fair, IMHO.
Wilbert in SC
--- Walter E. Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Joyce,
Karl Hill makes a very good one. Karl Pituch,
Principal of the
--- jdelarosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott:
Get her/yourself a Yamaha single Bb with the A
key
I have a nearly new Yamaha 322 single Bb with F
extension I might be willing to part with. The F
extension comes out, and the A slide goes in, if
needed. $1100. Pictures available.
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Wilbert gave us the following news flash:
From the Greenville News, Greenville, SC
November 4, 3002.
*
As long as you have this newpaper on hand, could
you check to
see if the Cubs will win the World Series any
time during the next
999
Please pardon the double posting.
Well gang, South Carolina has hit a new low in free public education.
From the Greenville News, Greenville, SC November 4, 3002.
The entire music budget for Blue Ridge High School, Choir and Band, as given by state
funds and the local school board is
As part of my Master's work in college during the
early 1970s, I had to present a researched public
lecture on a topic within my degree field. I chose
Starting Beginners on F or Bb Horn, as my
subject, and came down on the Bb side (pun
intended) because I was playing a Paxman single Bb
at the
In response to Hans' recent posting, I thought it
was wonderful, and deserved to be posted twice.
Tons of wisdom with a touch of humor.
The trouble is that everything he says does work.
So, in spite of my best personal efforts, and the
efforts of my teachers, I have been forced to
resort to
A local college just bought a brand new 8D this
summer for its instrument inventory. One of my
students, playing asst. first in one of the
orchestras I'm playing first in, is using it now.
It's terrible
The tone is great. However, the horn is out of
tune with itself, especially on
At the Indiana University IHS Convention, the IHS
Secretary, Heidi Vogal, told us that she was in the
process of moving from Alaska to Hawaii. That may
be one reason for the delay.
Wilbert Kimple
SC Area Rep - IHS
--- David and Wendy Hinman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How do I make contact
Hoss,
This problem is something a teacher really needs to
see in person. However...
Most endurance problems I have seen have to do with
using the emboucher incorrectly. Those players
tended to stretch out the lips as they played
higher and higher. The trick is that the lips
should be
Hi Gang.
I've decided to put my back up horn, a Yamaha 322
single Bb with original Yamaha F extension up for
sale, and will be posting it on Hornplayer.net in a
few days. You may contact me directly right now
for more information, pictures, or immediate sale.
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The horn
Dave,
The address you just sent is the address I have
been using. No replies in the past three weeks.
You did say he was going to be out of the shop
for a while, but I thought I waited long enough
before I started sending my letters. After all, he
has been posting to the list, so I presumed
--- Jeremy Ristow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where would the serial number be located on an
Alexander? Thanks.
Alexander followed the tradition of most German
makers and did not put serial numbers on their
horns for many years.
I had a serial number on my Alexander 200, which
the Alexander
Does anyone who went to Bloomington happen to
remember which dealer had the fifty or sixty year
old Alexander 103 for sale?
I was a bit rushed at the time, but I remember that
it seemed to play identically to my fifty year old
107 descant, so I'd be interested in giving it
another try.
I know
The first time I ever heard of shipping the horn
without the case was from Walter Lawson some thirty
years ago. Don't know if he still believes it
doing it that way, or not.
Wilbert in SC -- Just back from IU
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I recall seeing some Conn serial numbers stamped
into the bar that holds the three finger levers.
Wilbert in SC
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I started my musical adventures playing clarinet in
the fifth grade. My family moved when I started
eighth grade, and my new band director asked me to
change from clarinet to tuba. I was a poor
clarinet player, at best, and he needed tubas for
the band.
Many said I would be unable to play tuba
My wife's 8D is named Sig, short for you know
who.
I've named a couple of my horns in the past, but my
two current horns are both nameless, except for
Yamaha and Alexander.
Wilbert in SC
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We'll be there on Thursday and Friday only. Well,
maybe an hour of shopping on Saturday morning, too
Wilbert Kimple
Marilyn Graves Kimple
Spartanburg SC
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--- Russ Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig wrote:
Indeed, Russ' reference to Consumer's Reports
points
to a need we have in the larger horn community:
the
need to have access to independent evaluations
of instruments.
equipment.
So, where is the Hornplayer's (Consumers)
One topic of conversation that came up several
times among people at the recent Southeastern Horn
Workshop, was the fact that the IU workshop seems
to be trying to rip people off, financially.
$50 a night for a shared dorm room??? No meal
ticket plan at one of the school cafeterias??!!
Not
Just read the Washington Post article on the
medical injuries that musicians face.
What is Horn Player's Palsy, that was refered to
in the article? Is it the same as Bell's Palsy?
Thanks.
Wilbert in SC
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An example of this up close sound - in the hall
sound effect was demonstrated at the recent
Southeastern Horn Workshop.
Peter Kurau (Prof of Horn at Eastman) is an 8D
player, himself. He was working with a very
talented college (sorry University!!) student
during his master class. The student
Please pardon the cross posting to both lists.
Paul Mansur asked for a review of the recent
Southeastern Horn Workshop held in Columbus, GA. I
was there on both Friday and Saturday, so here are
some observations. One man's opinion, of course.
First of all, finding the workshop location was
Hello all.
I'm going through an instrument transition right
now, and would be interested in trying out an
Alexander nickel silver bell, or perhaps a Lawson
bell of some sort.
I'm trying to produce a bit more sound on my
Alexander 107 gold brass descant with F extension.
The 107 is rapidly
it is in like new
condition.
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From: Wilbert Kimple [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:57 AM
Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Lawson Horn
Available?
Hello gang.
I seem to remember a Lawson single Bb with F
students whose doctor told
them to start playing a wind instrument in order to
develop better breathing habits and to clear the
lungs. Still, ask your doctor, just to make sure.
Wilbert Kimple
Retired Faculty
Converse College School of Music
Spartanburg SC
As some of you may remember, I am not, and never
have been, a big fan of Holton double horns,
especially the 179.
Most of the ones I've heard, played, and briefly
owned, have had a big, woffy, unfocused sound, that
may have sounded OK up close, but lost its power at
the edge of the stage. It
I'm hoping that some of you might get a good
chuckle out of the following news from my fair
state.
The following Valentine's Day ad appeared in the
February 12th issue of The State Newspaper from
Columbia, SC, our state capital. Section C, page
8.
Buy a Gunny for your Honey! Super Special
John,
I've owned an Alex 200 for some eight years now,
and love it. Without a doubt it's the finest
double I've ever had. It did, however, take a
while to find a mouthpiece that gave me the same
volume above the staff that I had on the rest of
the horn. I finally settled on a Bach 10 cup, cut
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such a vitriolic hatred of our
president
Hey Pete
Wake up and read what is being said here!! I don't
recall any posting saying that people on this list
hated President Bush. Any President
Prof. Pizka,
I, for one, am saddened by the fact that none of
the news services here in the USA have given any
coverage of the interview you mentioned. We, or at
least I, have never heard of the defection of the
son's double, nor of his statements. That's one
reason why I often listen to short
Meanwhile, that Carl Beyer horn on eBay (Item #
2507014258 ) looks like
it's actually marked Carl Geyer, Chicago.
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Meanwhile, that Carl Beyer horn on eBay (Item #
2507014258 ) looks like
it's actually marked Carl Geyer, Chicago.
OK, presuming the horn on ebay is a real Geyer, I
have an ethical question to present to this list.
Should this Geyer, even if it happens to be an
import with Geyer's name
Having just lost half of the sight in my left eye,
due to a minor stroke, I'm very sensitive to vision
issues.
First of all, I would get my eyes tested by a true
medical doctor, not just one of those people who
test eyes for Lens Crafters in the mall. Be sure
to have a field vision test done,
Wes,
Could you please contact me privately?
Thanks.
Wilbert
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In my own case, I find that a gold rim on my dry
embouchure works best.
Silver doesn't seem to move at all for me (besides
I'm alergic to silver), and gold seemed too
slippery when I tried to change to a wet embouchure
in the 1970's. So, it's been gold and dry for more
than twenty years.
--- but the 567 is just OUT OF TUNE!!!
My 2 cents
Tom Hunt in IOWA
Every 567 I've played has been fine. In fact I
like them a lot, and recommend them over the 600
series horns. Dollar for dollar I feel it's the
best horn Yamaha makes, and I've heard that from
others, too.
The Bach double
A few years back, a friend of mine, a fellow horn
player, went on a tour of Europe with some type of
adult concert band.
She paid her money, they met for a week of
rehearsals, then took a two or three week concert
tour of Europe.
Don't know who ran or runs these things, but she
had a great
--- Walter Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I went
to move the van and I then
saw the most obscene thing I have seen musically
in a very long time. They
had brought back the equipment in a brand new
custom trailer with the
school's name and mascot plastered all over the
side of it.
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