Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-02

2010-10-21 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of SM Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:19 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-rfc4871bis-02 Hello, I commented on

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 3.6.2.1 - Working with other TXT records

2010-10-20 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:52 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 3.6.2.1 - Working with other TXT records By the way, has everyone

Re: [ietf-dkim] double header reality check

2010-10-20 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Delany Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 5:53 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] double header reality check Any filter or agent that makes any

Re: [ietf-dkim] double header reality check

2010-10-20 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: John R. Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:08 PM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] double header reality check Here's maybe a better way to frame the question: Should we empower

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-19 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:50 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Cc: Murray S. Kucherawy Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing Why do we think such a sorting module can't/won't have

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-19 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: i...@sussex.ac.uk [mailto:i...@sussex.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:59 AM To: John R. Levine; Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing True, but there already are UI designs

Re: [ietf-dkim] double header reality check

2010-10-19 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John R. Levine Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:47 PM To: DKIM List Subject: [ietf-dkim] double header reality check So it establishes a false sense of resolving a

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 3.6.2.1 - Working with other TXT records

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John Levine Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:14 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Cc: dcroc...@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 3.6.2.1 - Working with other TXT records

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and patents

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Delany Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:19 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and patents On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 02:54:13PM +1200, Franck

Re: [ietf-dkim] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-04.txt

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Alessandro Vesely Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 8:37 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-04.txt I have two

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of MH Michael Hammer (5304) Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:43 AM To: Wietse Venema; ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:56 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] sophistry is bad, was Data integrity claims The current DKIM

Re: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Delany Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:23 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims By DKIM process, I would include anything

Re: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: MH Michael Hammer (5304) [mailto:mham...@ag.com] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:44 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: RE: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims There's nothing between an MTA and an MUA that prevents this attack

Re: [ietf-dkim] How MUAs render mail

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:50 AM Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] How MUAs render mail Folks making assertions about what MUAs

Re: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: MH Michael Hammer (5304) [mailto:mham...@ag.com] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:11 PM To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: RE: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims See above. This leads me to believe that you might be amenable

Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 4:24 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing Irrelevant for

Re: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Otis Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 3:33 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims Should the charter of a security related

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: John R. Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:25 PM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing Also, although I certainly do not purport to be a whiz at UI

Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 6:58 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing Which module does

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:30 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing And if we are not going to fix ADSP

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis-02 - Section 8.14 comments

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Alessandro Vesely Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 2:13 AM To: Barry Leiba Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis-02 - Section 8.14 comments

Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 6:52 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing That's why all

Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:04 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing And since

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Hector Santos Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:17 AM To: IETF DKIM WG Cc: Barry Leiba Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition So I

Re: [ietf-dkim] 2 Day Collection Stats

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Leiba Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:48 AM To: Hector Santos Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] 2 Day Collection Stats   --    25.9% :

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fenton Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:25 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition Given the lack of

Re: [ietf-dkim] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-04.txt

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: i-d-announce-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:15 AM To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-04.txt

Re: [ietf-dkim] 2 Day Collection Stats

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Delany Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:15 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] 2 Day Collection Stats 57 of them failed even in the presence of

Re: [ietf-dkim] 2 Day Collection Stats

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:41 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] 2 Day Collection Stats 57 of them failed even

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 3.6.2.1 - Working with other TXT records

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 12:54 PM To: IETF DKIM WG Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 3.6.2.1 - Working with other TXT records Does ADSP need to be

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of MH Michael Hammer (5304) Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:52 PM To: Bill Oxley @ Cox; dcroc...@bbiw.net Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header

[ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Otis Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 2:30 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing Citing a layer violation

Re: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims

2010-10-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 5:09 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Data integrity claims I thought the What DKIM does thing was a

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John R. Levine Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:49 PM To: dcroc...@bbiw.net Cc: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing What you

Re: [ietf-dkim] removing the g= definition?

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:08 AM To: IETF DKIM WG Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] removing the g= definition? On 10/14/2010 12:46 AM, Tony Hansen wrote:

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:10 AM To: IETF DKIM WG Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition On 10/13/2010 1:52 PM, Jim

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 3.6.2.1 - Working with other TXT records

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:23 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 3.6.2.1 - Working with other TXT records On 10/14/2010

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:32 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing This is true if the message is not

Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Delany Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:38 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: John R. Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:07 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing Adding a second From: makes the message format

Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John R. Levine Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:15 AM To: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing Am I

Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: John R. Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:45 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing I think if it becomes well-known that users

Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: John R. Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:50 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] layer violations, was detecting header mutations after signing Well, now we're back to my question to Dave

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:33 PM To: Tony Hansen Cc: IETF DKIM WG Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition Although

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John R. Levine Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:31 PM To: Barry Leiba Cc: IETF DKIM WG Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition No, that

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition

2010-10-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Steve Atkins Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:00 PM To: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition

[ietf-dkim] Collected data

2010-10-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fenton Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:53 PM To: IETF DKIM WG Subject: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition Between June 1 and September 1,

Re: [ietf-dkim] Collected data

2010-10-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:30 PM To: IETF DKIM WG Subject: [ietf-dkim] Collected data (oops) Oops, sorry for the bogus Subject: change. Feel

Re: [ietf-dkim] Collected data

2010-10-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fenton Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:42 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Collected data [sticking with Murray's subject line so as not to

[ietf-dkim] What DKIM provides, again

2010-10-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:27 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing rant Count me as one of those who was

Re: [ietf-dkim] What DKIM provides, again

2010-10-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:15 PM To: DKIM WG Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] What DKIM provides, again On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Michael Thomas

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:47 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Cc: Murray S. Kucherawy Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing DKIM simply highlights an issue that's been there for a very

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Delany Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:59 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing I understand the issues

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition

2010-10-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Leiba Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:46 PM To: IETF DKIM WG Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Last call comment: Changing the g= definition Everyone, please weigh in on

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis-02 - Section 8.14 comments

2010-10-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: Jim Fenton [mailto:fen...@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:22 PM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis-02 - Section 8.14 comments Here's some text I propose for section 8.14, in place

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis-02 - Section 8.14 comments

2010-10-12 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Leiba Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:48 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis-02 - Section 8.14 comments Hector says... If DKIM

[ietf-dkim] FW: An issue with DKIM reporting extensions

2010-10-12 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
I don't think this is really something this WG needs to deal with, though I could be wrong. It's forwarded here just for informational purposes. From: marf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:marf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:11 PM To: m

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis-02 - Section 8.14 comments

2010-10-12 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fenton Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:48 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis-02 - Section 8.14 comments I had trouble

Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE

2010-10-11 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Eiloart Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 2:36 AM To: Charles Lindsey; DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE But it IS a serious protocol

[ietf-dkim] More interesting data

2010-10-11 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Naturally, moments after posting an update to the implementation report, some other interesting data came to light. One of our project members decided to start watching the DNS for what queries were hitting his nameservers after turning up DNS signing. The result included queries for policy

Re: [ietf-dkim] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-03.txt

2010-10-11 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fenton Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 1:46 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-03.txt The same

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-11 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 3:18 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing It's not really an

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-08 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Alessandro Vesely Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:34 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing The whole discussion

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-08 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:01 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing We want to re-submit

Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing

2010-10-08 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Wietse Venema Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:16 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] detecting header mutations after signing What I describe would be

Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE

2010-10-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Michael Thomas Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: Charles Lindsey Cc: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE I'm with Steve on this

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From

2010-10-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:29 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From If we can't rely

Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE

2010-10-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:50 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE But since it is already a REQUIREMENT of

Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-03

2010-10-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:03 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-03 You can define

Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE

2010-10-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Hi SM, -Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of SM Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 1:02 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE At 10:57 06-10-10, MH Michael

Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE

2010-10-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: MH Michael Hammer (5304) [mailto:mham...@ag.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:20 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: RE: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE So, my belief is that this is really more of a 5322

Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-03

2010-10-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:36 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-03 Of the points I

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From

2010-10-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lindsey Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:47 AM To: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From And note that

Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-03

2010-10-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:d...@dcrocker.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:12 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: DKIM Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dkim- mailinglists-03 I suggest saying the holder of the message

Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE

2010-10-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John R. Levine Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:17 AM To: Steve Atkins Cc: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE Recall that the

Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE

2010-10-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:02 AM To: John R. Levine Cc: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE I find the

Re: [ietf-dkim] Working group last call on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report

2010-10-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of bill.ox...@cox.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:49 PM To: jdfalk-li...@cybernothing.org Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Working group last call on

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From

2010-10-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
I've removed Tim Polk from the Cc: list because he is not our sponsoring AD. Our sponsoring AD is already on this list. -Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Eiloart Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:15 AM

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: implementation Report v02 - Removal of 1st vs 3rd party statistics

2010-10-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Eiloart Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:56 AM To: Hector Santos; ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: implementation Report v02 - Removal of 1st vs

Re: [ietf-dkim] Working group last call on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report

2010-10-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: Rolf E. Sonneveld [mailto:r.e.sonnev...@sonnection.nl] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 7:36 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: DKIM Mailing List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Working group last call on draft-ietf-dkim- implementation-report Are we looking

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From

2010-10-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Julian Mehnle Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 7:27 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From No.

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From

2010-10-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Julian Mehnle Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:28 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From

Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From

2010-10-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 12:24 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE: 4871bis - Security Loop hole with Multiple 5322.From

Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE

2010-10-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Delany Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 8:06 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] THIS IS A MULTIPLE 5322.FROM MESSAGE There was an assertion in

Re: [ietf-dkim] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-02.txt

2010-10-04 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
This version makes minor editorial corrections to AOL's data, adds Gmail's data, updates OpenDKIM's data, and applies feedback recently sent to the list. I propose a WGLC on this at the chairs' discretion. I don't have any additional data pending to add, and it sounds like the AD is already

Re: [ietf-dkim] Working group last call on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report

2010-10-04 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
I wrote it, and it looks ready to go. From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John R. Levine [jo...@iecc.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:06 PM To: Barry Leiba Cc: DKIM Mailing List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim]

Re: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-03

2010-10-04 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
This version consolidates all of the minor corrections submitted to date, as well as the more substantive things that appeared to have consensus. It did not include the suggestion to add a few points about MUA improvements that would help in the area of DKIM deployment and MLMs. I'd like to

Re: [ietf-dkim] Working group last call on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report

2010-10-04 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of J.D. Falk Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:41 PM To: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Working group last call on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report Regarding

Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01

2010-10-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: SM [mailto:s...@resistor.net] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 6:52 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Cc: Murray S. Kucherawy Subject: Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01 Hello, Hi! I have a few comments about draft-ietf-dkim

Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01

2010-10-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:12 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01 Author vs.

Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01

2010-10-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:15 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01 d

Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01

2010-10-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:d...@dcrocker.net] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:28 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation- report-01 [...] to be: 1.1. Signing Identity

Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01

2010-10-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:d...@dcrocker.net] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:30 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01 As a part of the IETF implementation report

Re: [ietf-dkim] Updated implementation report

2010-10-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Rolf E. Sonneveld Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:24 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Updated implementation report Remark: I'd suggest to transform

Re: [ietf-dkim] Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01

2010-10-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: SM [mailto:s...@resistor.net] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 4:24 PM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: RE: Comments on draft-ietf-dkim-implementation-report-01 Sure, but are those numbers permanent such that later readers

[ietf-dkim] Strange header field showing up in stats

2010-09-30 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
One of the things our stats project is picking up is the names of header fields that are modified or removed in transit causing verification failures. The current leader is x-tm-imss-message-id. Anyone know what that is? ___ NOTE WELL: This list

Re: [ietf-dkim] Corner cases and loose ends, was , draft-vesely-dkim-joint-sigs

2010-09-29 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John Levine Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:52 AM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Cc: ietf-d...@kitterman.com Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Corner cases and loose ends, was,

Re: [ietf-dkim] Updated implementation report

2010-09-29 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of MH Michael Hammer (5304) Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:10 PM To: Hector Santos; ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Updated

Re: [ietf-dkim] Corner cases and loose ends, was , draft-vesely-dkim-joint-sigs

2010-09-27 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John R. Levine Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:38 AM To: Michael Thomas Cc: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Corner cases and loose ends, was , draft-

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