[MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
Nope; just 'lectrons. Wilt - Original Message - From: "WILTON" To: "mercedes list" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search lis

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
Watch out! I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. ;<) Wilt - Original Message - From: "WILTON" To: "mercedes list" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread Jon Agne
Adjusting valves. For the first time in almost a week, the wind is not gusting 25-30. Jon '85 300D 108k On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:34 AM, WILTON wrote: > Wilton > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list arch

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F today. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Jon Agne" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? Adjusting valves. For the first time in almost a

Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.

2013-04-08 Thread Randy Bennell
I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes. If you could clean the wire it would be fine but given the cost of a new roll, it is easier to buy a new one. Randy On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Apr 6, 2013 6:51 PM, "Greg Fiorentino" wrote: I'm by no means an exper

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread Frederick Moir
No body here but us chickens   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: WILTON >To: mercedes list >Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:34 AM >Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there? > >Wilton > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread Chris James
Yes, here too. Up to 73F today in the far west part of the state & looks like it will stay in the 70s for most of the week. Nice! :-) On 4/8/2013 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote: Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F today. Wilton -- Chris J.

Re: [MBZ] OT A tasty recipe

2013-04-08 Thread Russ Williams
Darn FF (Fat Fingers) should be Brine. On 4/7/2013 23:19, Craig wrote: On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:01:10 -0500 Russ Williams wrote: Love Rack of Lamb. I did a Garlic Stuffed Pork Roast for D-I-L's B-day today. Birned it for 2 days. M'm M'm Good Also made her favorite Cake, Red Velvet from scratch

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas
I like those tales. My granddaddy would spin long-winded tales that I never wanted to listen to, but now what I would give... My uncle, his oldest son, appears to have inherited the trait (and some accuse me) so he is interesting to be around (for awhile). He got his ship sunk by the Japs in

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread Jon Agne
Valves done...all tight, but it's been 18,000 since I last did them. HURT me on the temperature! It might get to 60 here in Maine. Jon On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote: > Beautiful, calm, sunny day here (Goldsboro, NC); 63°, s'posed to get to 79°F > today. > > Wilton > > - Ori

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread Randy Bennell
Minus 5 C here today. Not much melting at that temperature. Randy On 08/04/2013 11:32 AM, Jon Agne wrote: Valves done...all tight, but it's been 18,000 since I last did them. HURT me on the temperature! It might get to 60 here in Maine. Jon On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote: Bea

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
Well, 60 should be enough to melt a lot of that snow and ice, anyway. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Jon Agne" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? Valves done...all tight, but it's been 18,000 since I last

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
Yep, I heard a lot of good stories, too, that I should have recorded but never did. Mom was born in 1897; Dad was born in 1879, paternal grndad was drafted into Confederate Army in 1862 (wife and 2 children), wounded in Battle of Petersburg, captured at Holder's Run (POW at Pt Lookout, MD). He

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
You reminded me: 2 of my brothers had their ships sunk during WWII; one on supply/troop carrier off Casablanca; 'was later in D-Day invasion of France (Omaha Beach) and Okinawa; other brother, a medical corpsman on aircraft carrier Hornet, gave the Doolittle Raiders shots before their departure

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread Max Dillon
Shots of Jack Daniels or typhoid/yellow fever/etc? ;) -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 WILTON wrote: >You reminded me: 2 of my brothers had their ships sunk during WWII; >one on >supply/troop carrier off Casablanca; 'was later in D-Day invasion of >France >(Om

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc. Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist. 'Had that thought, myself, but also thought "medical corpsman" would squelch the urge. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, Apri

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread Randy Bennell
On 08/04/2013 1:20 PM, WILTON wrote: medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc. Yeah, I know, Max, it was hard to resist. 'Had that thought, myself, but also thought "medical corpsman" would squelch the urge. ;<) Wilton "corpsman" does not really instill confidence does it? Randy

Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.

2013-04-08 Thread Fmiser
> > On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > > > Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even > > good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed > > for a year or so is only going to frustrate you. > Randy Bennell wrote: > > I think, that what happens, is that the wire o

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
'Til ya need one. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there? On 08/04/2013 1:20 PM, WILTON wrote: medical corpsman - typhoid/yellow fever, etc. Yeah, I know, Max, it

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Max Dillon
Wiring diagram, digital multi-meter, basic understanding of direct current electrical theory, and time with the patient... -OR- A friend with identical year/model car you can compare to your car, but that isn't a sure thing if the problem is deeper than crossed wires. -- Max Dillon Charleston

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect the wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem. Dan On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: > Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key > is turned to start positio

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wilton - Original Message - From: "Bob Rentfro" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013

[MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread Curt Raymond
Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :) The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything so today when I was at CarQuest I inquired the price on replacements. He says we need to know if the "Inspection hole is 1 5/8" or 1 1/2"" the picture provided in the computer i

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
The solenoid/ starter is new Bosch. Well, 3 months old. And yes Wilton, I have mechanically agitated it. Getting a little frustrating. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 12:46 PM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: > If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect > the wire to the solenoid - unle

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Curt Raymond
Add one more point you've missed, starter spins when you jump the big lugs on the starter it spins. Last test, short big lug to little lug (ie apply power direct to solenoid) if car doesn't start its a bad solenoid. Personally I'd skip that last test, if you have power to the solenoid but not

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Craig
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 Bob Rentfro wrote: > Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when > key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have > power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in > start position. All v

Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.

2013-04-08 Thread Randy Bennell
On 08/04/2013 2:15 PM, Fmiser wrote: On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed for a year or so is only going to frustrate you. Randy Bennell wrote: I think, that what happens, is

Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

2013-04-08 Thread Randy Bennell
But, if you are a corpse you likely don't need them too bad. Then it is time to call the padre. Randy On 08/04/2013 2:15 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Til ya need one. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 2:44 PM Subject:

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Randy Bennell
That was my immediate thought as well. If there is power to the solenoid, it should try to kick in unless the solenoid is bad. Unfortunately, with diesels of this vintage (at least on mine) you can't just turn the key on and off a few times to see if it catches. When the solenoid contacts were

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, "Craig" wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 Bob Rentfro wrote: > > > Okay...glow light comes on again. So

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4" pipe. If that does not get the starter working, then you need a different starter. Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wil

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Fmiser
> Bob Rentfro wrote: > nothing when key is turned to start position. Get all > the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from > ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All > voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is > tight and clean. I'm at a

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Randy Bennell
On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, "Craig" wrote: Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter

Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread Max Dillon
Sounds like you may have a plugged rubber hose, not a caliper problem. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Curt Raymond wrote: >Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :) > >The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything >so today when I wa

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? On Apr 8, 2013 1:14 PM, "Randy Bennell" wrote: > On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: > >> Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
Sothis is the first time I've tried to remove a solenoid. It appears that the electrical part comes off and the mechanical part stays on the starter is that correct? Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 1:26 PM, "Bob Rentfro" wrote: > The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three month

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Craig
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:02:54 -0700 Bob Rentfro wrote: > > What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter > > (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle > > terminal on the starter? > > Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the >

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
I get it now. Thanks for all the advice, men. Gotta get the pug on the road. Gotta find a solenoid On Apr 8, 2013 1:39 PM, "Craig" wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:02:54 -0700 Bob Rentfro wrote: > > > > What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter > > > (with the large wire t

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Craig
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:38:49 -0700 Bob Rentfro wrote: > Sothis is the first time I've tried to remove a solenoid. It appears > that the electrical part comes off and the mechanical part stays on the > starter is that correct? You will first need to remove the starter from the car. Then loose

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Craig
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro wrote: > The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three > months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the w

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, "Craig" wrote: > On Mon

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
I guess you turned in the old starter when you got the "new" one? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Bob Rentfro" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly en

Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread Curt Raymond
Possibly at one point you were correct, at this point I would think I have a caliper problem. I don't know how long its been stuck but I'd hazard a guess that its been many months... Regardless I intend to do the full Monty for the rear brakes, calipers, pads, rotors. I'd like to do ceramic pad

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
Yes. I know I thought the same thing Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:22 PM, "WILTON" wrote: > I guess you turned in the old starter when you got the "new" one? > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Bob Rentfro" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:17 PM > Subje

Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.

2013-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Those work well for high speed marinating, too. Putting something under a vacuum really forces the liquid into the meat, so you don't have to marinade as long. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > But, it is a bit of a pain to take it off of the machine an

Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Check the stealership. They are surprisingly competitive on things like rotors and pads. Rotors and pads for the front of my S500 are only a few dollars more than the OE ones. Not only that, MB throws in the brake paste, too! Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Curt Raymond wro

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
If you can find a solenoid it will cost almost as much as a complete starter. That's just the way the market is. This solenoid works by pulling in the armature to engage the bendix drive on the starter. When the armature pulls in, a large copper disc on the armature shorts the two large termina

Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread Max Dillon
Have you already replaced the hose? If you open the bleed valve, will brake fluid flow out under pedal pressure? I REALLY like the ceramic brake pads. Will never go back. Fantastic stopping power, very very little dust. They seem a little extra strong when cold, a good thing. Not quite "gr

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Rentfro
I have removed the starter, but the solenoid back on, packed up and I'm heading over to UPS. Gary provided stellar customer serviceso far. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 3:27 PM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: > If you can find a solenoid it will cost almost as much as a complete > starter. That's just the way t

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Funny story about starter abuse: Co-worker had a PT Cruiser that had intermittent starting problems, as in it would not crank at random times. Knowing I had a "little" automotive experience (his words) he asked me if I had any idea as to the problem. "Check all of your battery terminals, chassi

Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

2013-04-08 Thread clay
http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my responsibility sort. Probably does pick up her trash, but not the mess she made of her life clay On Apr 7, 2013, at 5:55 PM, WILTON wrote: > Too many don't seem to give a damned;

Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread OK Don
Call the new Q with your VIN, and I suspect that he will be able to fix you right up! On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Please excuse the on-topic talk for a minute :) > > The rear driver's side caliper on my '84 190D has quit doing anything so > today when I was at CarQuest

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Mountain Man
Bob R wrote: > I have removed the starter, but the solenoid back on, packed up and I'm > heading over to UPS. Gary provided stellar customer serviceso far. Yes. Our problem was in December. We used hammer on starter for about 10 days and then the problem disappeared. Gary found us a German s

Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread Curt Raymond
Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as possible. My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I put Moog sway bar links and bushings on the Ranger) at good prices plus warranty is a snap since they're right around the corner. Their price on calipers got my at

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Sorry, I'm late to all this, but I see your post where you mention the problem is the relay... I didn't catch up on all the rest of them yet. But, Being a 1980, this probably has the earlier style relay. You can open these up and clean the contacts. If you hear it clicking, then the solenoid in

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
Years ago (probably 20 or so) SWMBO was Executive Director of Community Arts Council; she called early one afternoon from local bank president's home; our '80 240D wouldn't start. Mr. and Mrs. Bnk Pres. wanted to call AAA for her; she said, "Let me call Wilton first." 'Just happened to catch m

Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Sometimes remans are the only way to go. I just did all four calipers on my '95 E320 wagon. The front listed for $1000 each for new! Rebuilt from Gary were less than 10% of that. So, the choice was clear. Just keep an eye on on them first week or two to make sure they're not leaking. Funny th

Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

2013-04-08 Thread WILTON
A pity. Wilton - Original Message - From: "clay" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020721338_patriciafulleropedxml.html Another one of the not my fault, not my

Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread OK Don
Or get the appropriate kit from new Q and "reman" them yourself - not that difficult on a 201 - BTDT. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Closest dealer is ~50 miles away and just about as inconvenient as > possible. > > My local CarQuest has high quality stuff (just today I p

Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

2013-04-08 Thread Curt Raymond
What? You mean a BA in English isn't a ticket to the good life? -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700 From: clay To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020

Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

2013-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Right up there with Art History. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:15 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > What? You mean a BA in English isn't a ticket to the good life? > > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700 > From: clay > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT

Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

2013-04-08 Thread clay
Not really. My mother had one and all it served was for her to teach middle schoolers My sister has one and she had to get a professional degree to become more than just a barista at an art house theater. Then she ended up a teacher. The rest of the liberal arts folks I knew ended up married

Re: [MBZ] Rear brake calipers

2013-04-08 Thread dseretakis
I've used reman calipers on my 240D and 280SL. No issues to date. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > Sometimes remans are the only way to go. I just did all four calipers on > my '95 E320 wagon. The front listed for $1000 each for new! Rebuilt from > Ga

Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.

2013-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
An auto electric shop that repairs/rebuilds starters can get them. If you find a source, you want a Bosch. I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyo

Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

2013-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
Reminds me of the old sign: Your lack of planning does not constitute and emergency to me. That said, this is not the country it was 40 years ago. A pity. Wilton - Original Message - From: "clay" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [M

Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

2013-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Guess who she voted for, and still has Hope that things will Change. I guess she is not down with the fundamental transformation. I guess I shouldn't be political and all that, but this kind of stuff just drips irony, which is probably better entertainment than worrying about our situation.

Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

2013-04-08 Thread clay
The comment section did seem rather polarized as to support for her clay On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > Guess who she voted for, and still has Hope that things will Change. I guess > she is not down with the fundamental transformation. > > I guess I shouldn't be political a

Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

2013-04-08 Thread Scott Ritchey
Gee, do you think there is could be some connection between an anti-business climate and a lack of jobs? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ]