Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 11 Nov 2004 22:54, Jack wrote: 1 - It never did see my Canon D760 copier/printer. Canon gear is always hard, as they will not cooperate in releasing api details. However, it is sometimes possible to get things to work. Did you ask any specific questions about this? 2 -

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread David Cormier
Wow, $170 paid for endless thousands of dollars of equivalent software, friendly support (evidence below) and admission into what in any other conceivable discipline would be a select group of longtimers who would not have the slightest thing to do with you. You offer them $170 bucks (I say

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Friday 12 November 2004 06:33, David Cormier wrote: There is a difference. Performance in some ways yes. Software all over the place. But at the end of the day, people like Anne (whom I've never even read before) are the reason I'm going to stick it out. I usually respond to these types of

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Greg Meyer
On Thursday 11 November 2004 05:54 pm, Jack wrote: But unfortunately, I still don't think it's ready for primetime and here's why: 1 - It never did see my Canon D760 copier/printer. Canon issues closed source windows only drivers and doesn't cooperate with Linux driver developers. Why is

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread mooney
On Friday 12 November 2004 15:23, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 06:33, David Cormier wrote: There is a difference. Performance in some ways yes. Software all over the place. But at the end of the day, people like Anne (whom I've never even read before) are the reason I'm

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Lanman
snip Bryan Phinney wrote: snip So, when I see someone complain about Linux not being ready for primetime because it doesn't include something like voice recognition (nice but most people wouldn't classify that as a major necessity), and remember how WinXP got compromised within six months even

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Lanman
snip 5 - Most damning of all was my attempted upgrade to 10.1 official. I completely wiped my drive to do a clean install, and after everything was said and done, the official version could not find the internet, nor my onboard (Asus P4P800) sound card. 10.0 had no trouble finding these 2, nor

[newbie] ssh port forwarding more then one port

2004-11-12 Thread Lovell Mcilwain
Hello all, I am trying to forward more then one port over ssh via command line on my linux box but I can't seem to get the syntax right. I have copied my script blow can anyone tell me if my / are right or if there is something that I am missing. I am also having trouble trying to get to any

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:23:19 -0500 Jack disseminated the following: Don't hold back, Joe... Say what you feel!!! :-) Seriously though, you are right that perhaps I'm attributing to Linux what only exists in the Windows world. As a sidenote, I am quite diligent in Windows --- Ad Aware,

[newbie] Newsforge Fightin' the FUD

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
Quote: Evan Blomquist, Linux instructor at The Training Camp, suppliers of on campus training, believes the debate on Linux security for the desktop is occurring only because of Microsoft's record. He believes Microsoft has become so blinkered by the fight that it thinks all operating systems

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Dobrescu Mihai
--- David Cormier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, $170 paid for endless thousands of dollars of equivalent software, friendly support (evidence below) and admission into what in any other conceivable discipline would be a select group of longtimers who would not have the slightest

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Todd Slater
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 09:12:35AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: Best of luck in your future efforts with Mandrake, remember we're always here to help (though, running 9.2 still, I've been about as useful as tits on a bull around here of late...). I know what you mean, I'm still on 9.1 cause I don't

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Randall D. Hobbs
On Thursday 11 November 2004 4:54 pm, Jack wrote: Okay, I've spent a couple of months playing with Mandrake Linux (10.1 community) and here are my (unsolicited) impressions: 1 - I like the interface a lot. It is very customizable and, well... downright fun!!! 2 - It appears to be rock

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:53:56 -0600 Randall D. Hobbs disseminated the following: This isn't a remark to Jack - this is mostly to those who don't agree with what he said... Remember when you guys were new to Linux? I'm sure about 90% of you thought the same way. I know I did. I came into the

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 13:32, Greg Meyer wrote: Ever try to install Windows from scratch, track down drivers and get them installed without a network connection, then try to configure a wireless conection so that it co-exists nicely with more than one access point, and then try to apply the

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Greg Meyer
On Friday 12 November 2004 09:23 am, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 09:12:35AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: Best of luck in your future efforts with Mandrake, remember we're always here to help (though, running 9.2 still, I've been about as useful as tits on a bull around here of

[newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? Has anyone successfully copied some Abba to their HD without hosing their system? Are there special precautions I can take in advance? Thanks! -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 /

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Greg Meyer
On Friday 12 November 2004 11:06 am, JoeHill wrote: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? Has anyone successfully copied some Abba to their HD without hosing their system? Are there special precautions I can take in

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Friday 12 November 2004 11:06 am, JoeHill wrote: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? Has anyone successfully copied some Abba to their HD without hosing their system? Are there special precautions I can take in

[newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread J. David Boyd
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? The more important question would be is it legal? If you are speaking of going to one of the commercial download services, and purchasing copies of

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Friday 12 November 2004 16:41, Greg Meyer wrote: I know what you mean, I'm still on 9.1 cause I don't want to mess with upgrading on account of server stuff. Who on the list would win the prize for running the oldest version of MDK? I've got a two 9.0 boxes running samba and a

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Travis Crook
On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 07:23, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 09:12:35AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: Best of luck in your future efforts with Mandrake, remember we're always here to help (though, running 9.2 still, I've been about as useful as tits on a bull around here of late...).

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread mooney
On Friday 12 November 2004 18:06, JoeHill wrote: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? Has anyone successfully copied some Abba to their HD without hosing their system? Are there special precautions I can take in advance?

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread David Feldman
I'm confused. Is there something especially risky about Abba for a computer that wouldn't be a problem with other artists? --Dave On Nov 12, 2004, at 11:16, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 11:06 am, JoeHill wrote: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On 12 Nov 2004 11:16:16 -0500 J. David Boyd disseminated the following: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? The more important question would be is it legal? If you are speaking of going to one of the commercial

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:16:51 -0500 Carroll Grigsby disseminated the following: I don't know if Abba will damage your HD, but it will certainly soften the little girl's brain. Think of the children, man! LOL! -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 12:11:40 up 100 days, 13:03, 6

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Dan Gordon
On Friday 12 November 2004 11:06 am, JoeHill wrote: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? Has anyone successfully copied some Abba to their HD without hosing their system? Are there special precautions I can take in

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:44:12 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 18:06, JoeHill wrote: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? Has anyone successfully copied some Abba to their HD without hosing

[newbie] Re: Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Björn Lundin
Jack wrote: Okay, I've spent a couple of months playing with Mandrake Linux (10.1 community) and here are my (unsolicited) impressions: 3 - Couldn't upgrade to KDE 3.3, despite having the CD for it and despite help from experts like Randall. I spent *weeks* on this. Nothing I tried worked,

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Brett Lyon
65% of Americans polled believe there is a connection between Swedish insurgent group ABBA and the 9/11 attacks on New York. While the Bush administration has tacitly denied this connection, the rumors remain and are generally accepted as facts in most interior portions of the country or red

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread J
I wonder which are most popular/efficent on Linux at the moment. Limewire? Limewire works for me. Gave up Apollon as a bad job! JRH - Original Message - From: Brett Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Is Abba

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:05:51 -0800 (PST) Brett Lyon disseminated the following: But if you do decide to do it, please let us know what P2P client you use, I wonder which are most popular/efficent on Linux at the moment. Limewire? Azureus? Movies: MLDonkey, butt-ugly, but effective...gonna

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Travis Crook wrote: On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 07:23, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 09:12:35AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: Best of luck in your future efforts with Mandrake, remember we're always here to help (though, running 9.2 still, I've been about as useful as tits on a bull around here of

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
J. David Boyd wrote: JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? The more important question would be is it legal? If you are speaking of going to one of the commercial download services, and

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:25:34 - J disseminated the following: Limewire works for me. I think I'll stick with GTK-Gnutella :-\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/joehill/downloads$./LimeWireLinux.bin Preparing to install... tail: `-1' option is obsolete; use `-n 1' Try `tail --help' for more

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:56:45 -0600 Mikkel L. Ellertson disseminated the following: I guess it depends on how you define fair use... Don't worry about *your* definition, the RIAA has already worked it out: you purchase a copy of a track for each device you want to play it on, and if it won't

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 19:56, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Is it illegal if you have a copy of the song on a different media that you purchased? I have a lot of music on cassette, and it is a pain to record it as an MP3 so I can play it in the truck, or on the computer. (No cassette player in

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Friday 12 November 2004 00:01, et wrote: On Thursday 11 November 2004 17:54, Jack wrote: 4 - I use voice recognition extensively (Dragon NS and IBM ViaVoice).  I don't believe this even exists for Linux. viavoice was included in the powerpack for version 7.2 and 8.0, and worked much

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Greg Meyer
On Friday 12 November 2004 02:56 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Is it illegal if you have a copy of the song on a different media that you purchased?  I have a lot of music on cassette, and it is a pain to record it as an MP3 so I can play it in the truck, or on the computer. (No cassette

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Andrewd
Of course down here in Australia it is illegal to make any copies no matter what the reason. So basically all those people running around with ipods cannot legally use them here as Apple do not allow you to use the Apple store here. We have no concept of 'fair use' like in the US On Sat,

[newbie] problem

2004-11-12 Thread Ady Juvina
My name is Adrian Juvina and I am from Romania.I enter in linuxmandrake club from mistake and after that I realise what I did.I don't want to be in your's club because I have to pay.Please help me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Vreau sa-mi inregistrez CV-ul la

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Amy
Just a quick note from a fairly fresh out of windows newbie (well, about 6 months). The reason why I think Mandrake is ready for prime time? I'm currently running a cooker install. My friend serving as my primary tech support walked me through setting up such, and didn't explain it to me. I

Re: [newbie] problem

2004-11-12 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 20:44, Ady Juvina wrote: My name is Adrian Juvina and I am from Romania.I enter in linuxmandrake club from mistake and after that I realise what I did.I don't want to be in your's club because I have to pay.Please help me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you sure you have joined

Re: [newbie] Laptop hp ze4325us boot freeze solved on 10.1 community (acpi) and wlan--Thanks to all

2004-11-12 Thread Pat Patterson
A big thank you to all who helped me. I am sitting in my Lazyboy sending this from a linux box that for the first time since Mandrake 7.2 does everything I want it to do. I am going to enjoy this for a few weeks and then when I get 10.1 Official I will try breaking it by building a kernel

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 11 Nov 2004 22:54, Jack wrote: Canon gear is always hard, as they will not cooperate in releasing api details. However, it is sometimes possible to get things to work. Did you ask any specific questions about this? Yes, I did, to no avail. The

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
David Cormier wrote: Wow, $170 paid for endless thousands of dollars of equivalent software, friendly support (evidence below) and admission into what in any other conceivable discipline would be a select group of longtimers who would not have the slightest thing to do with you. You offer them

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 06:33, David Cormier wrote: There is a difference. Performance in some ways yes. Software all over the place. But at the end of the day, people like Anne (whom I've never even read before) are the reason I'm going to stick it out.

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Ryan Steffes
6 - I spent the $170 or so bucks to become a silver club member, but not once have I received an answer from Mandrake when I found myself stuck. I was also forced to install Bit Torrent to download the new ISO's after have waited for over 2 weeks (in vain) after my request for FTP access.

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 11 November 2004 05:54 pm, Jack wrote: 3 - Couldn't upgrade to KDE 3.3, despite having the CD for it and despite help from experts like Randall. I spent *weeks* on this. Nothing I tried worked, nor did any suggestions work. This is a big

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
Lanman wrote: snip 5 - Most damning of all was my attempted upgrade to 10.1 official. I completely wiped my drive to do a clean install, and after everything was said and done, the official version could not find the internet, nor my onboard (Asus P4P800) sound card. 10.0 had no trouble finding

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:28:16 -0500 Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The computer software culture is not comparable to that of pro sports. A culture creates expectations based on generally-accepted values. Expecting support when you have put out money is part of the computer software culture.

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:35:47 -0500 Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or is more secure because it is being largely ignored by the malicious hacker community? Should have googled this one, Jack. Brace yourself. Lee Want to buy your Pack

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread mooney
On Friday 12 November 2004 23:35, Jack wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: .) With WinXP, I still can't be sure the user actually intalled or opened anything, there are simply too many security holes that could account for the trojans being there. Bryan, good post and some valid observations. If

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:23:19 -0500 Jack disseminated the following: Don't hold back, Joe... Say what you feel!!! :-) Seriously though, you are right that perhaps I'm attributing to Linux what only exists in the Windows world. As a sidenote, I am quite

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
Randall D. Hobbs wrote: This isn't a remark to Jack - this is mostly to those who don't agree with what he said... Remember when you guys were new to Linux? I'm sure about 90% of you thought the same way. I know I did. There is a substantial learning curve to Linux - you cannot go to a software

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:47:13 +1100 Andrewd disseminated the following: Of course down here in Australia it is illegal to make any copies no matter what the reason. So basically all those people running around with ipods cannot legally use them here as Apple do not allow you to use the Apple

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 17:00, Lee Wiggers wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:35:47 -0500 Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or is more secure because it is being largely ignored by the malicious hacker community? Should have googled this one, Jack. Brace yourself. Yet it has to be said that

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 21:18, Jack wrote: Canon gear is always hard, as they will not cooperate in releasing api details. However, it is sometimes possible to get things to work. Did you ask any specific questions about this? Yes, I did, to no avail. The printer works off of a USB port.

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
Lee Wiggers wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:28:16 -0500 Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The computer software "culture" is not comparable to that of pro sports. A culture creates expectations based on generally-accepted values. Expecting support when you have put out money is part

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 21:50, Jack wrote: I *am* having fun with Linux (as I already stated in my original post). And I do not expect (nor want) it to be Windows. But when an expert gives you specific directions on how to do something, and it has worked for him, it *should work for me*

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Aron Smith
On Friday 12 November 2004 01:56 pm, Jack wrote: Actually, XP could learn from Linux to *force* users (insteading of just recommending) that users use a limited account to do their day-to-day computing.  This would close a lot of the security holes. Actually windows will not be secure as long

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Aron Smith
On Friday 12 November 2004 01:51 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:47:13 +1100 Andrewd disseminated the following: Of course down here in Australia it is illegal to make any copies no matter what the reason. So basically all those people running around with ipods cannot legally

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread John Richard Smith
Travis Crook wrote: On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 07:23, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 09:12:35AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: Best of luck in your future efforts with Mandrake, remember we're always here to help (though, running 9.2 still, I've been about as useful as tits on a bull around

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Friday 12 November 2004 16:35, Jack wrote: So, when I see someone complain about Linux not being ready for primetime because it doesn't include something like voice recognition (nice but most people wouldn't classify that as a major necessity), Bryan, voice recognition saves me *hours and

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Friday 12 November 2004 16:35, Jack wrote: So, when I see someone complain about Linux not being ready for primetime because it doesn't include something like voice recognition (nice but most people wouldn't classify that as a major necessity), Bryan, voice recognition saves me *hours and

[newbie] mail problem

2004-11-12 Thread Cezary Morga
Hi 'all. Sorry for bugging ya but I've got this problem and I'm begining to think that it might be something wrong 'round here - at my box. I've got four mail accounts on polish free mail servers. Unfortunately I keep experiencing some problems when trying to send anything from three of them via

[newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?

2004-11-12 Thread Wojciech Podgrni
Hello everyone! I have a hardware question for you. My aunt is buying a Plug'n'Play flat screen monitor for her Mandrake 10.0 computer and I am worried if it would work on that system. The rest of the hardware is quite old - GeForce 256 DDR video card, old Pentium Celeron motherboard, slow

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Dennis Myers
On Friday 12 November 2004 04:26 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 12 Nov 2004 21:50, Jack wrote: I *am* having fun with Linux (as I already stated in my original post). And I do not expect (nor want) it to be Windows. But when an expert gives you specific directions on how to do something,

Re: [newbie] Help with a makefile

2004-11-12 Thread Richard Urwin
On Tuesday 09 Nov 2004 5:31 pm, Rafa Kamraj wrote: Manaxus wrote: $(CC) I$(INCLUDE) $(CFLAGS) c main.c %.o : %.c $(CC) -c $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDE) $ -o $@ That's why you're getting the bad separator error; it's looking for the colon (:). The format of a makefile is basically a list of

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:45:36 -0500 Ryan Steffes disseminated the following: trade union groups Excellent explanatory post, very good description of Bittorrent. However, I don't know if would quite characterize the RIAA and MPAA as 'trade unions', except perhaps as in the Jimmy Hoffa/Mafia way

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Chris
On Friday 12 November 2004 08:23 am, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 09:12:35AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: Best of luck in your future efforts with Mandrake, remember we're always here to help (though, running 9.2 still, I've been about as useful as tits on a bull around here of

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:08:53 -0500 Jack disseminated the following: I agree totally Randall. Perhaps I should have stated that it isn't Linux's fault that Canon doesn't provide a Linux driver for it's printer. It's a chicken and egg problem. As long as Linux is not used by the vast

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:28:16 -0500 Jack disseminated the following: And be aware that I have not used equivalent derogatory terms like windoze or some such when describing Linux Would there be a reason to do such a thing? As far as 'Windoze' goes, or 'Internet Exploder', or 'Outhouse', these

Re: [newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?

2004-11-12 Thread Richard Urwin
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 11:40 pm, Wojciech Podgrni wrote: Hello everyone! I have a hardware question for you. My aunt is buying a Plug'n'Play flat screen monitor for her Mandrake 10.0 computer and I am worried if it would work on that system. The rest of the hardware is quite old - GeForce 256

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:00:17 + Lee Wiggers disseminated the following: or is more secure because it is being largely ignored by the malicious hacker community? Should have googled this one, Jack. Brace yourself. ROFL! Yep: http://securityfocus.com/columnists/188 -- JoeHill /

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Ryan Steffes
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:47:57 -0500, JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:45:36 -0500 Ryan Steffes disseminated the following: trade union groups Excellent explanatory post, very good description of Bittorrent. However, I don't know if would quite characterize the RIAA

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:56:52 -0500 Jack disseminated the following: Actually, XP could learn from Linux to *force* users (insteading of just recommending) that users use a limited account to do their day-to-day computing. This would close a lot of the security holes. ROFLMAO! Okay, yer not

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:03:20 -0800 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 01:51 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:47:13 +1100 Andrewd disseminated the following: Of course down here in Australia it is illegal to make any copies no matter what the

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:18:34 -0500 Ryan Steffes disseminated the following: It was the most polite description I could could force myself to use. Evil thought police bastards seemed too Linux fanatic to me, although more accurate. LOL! Just like the good ol' days, the witty banter's

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Richard Urwin
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 9:50 pm, Jack wrote: I *am* having fun with Linux (as I already stated in my original post). And I do not expect (nor want) it to be Windows. But when an expert gives you specific directions on how to do something, and it has worked for him, it *should work for me*

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Richard Urwin
On Friday 12 Nov 2004 4:16 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 11:06 am, JoeHill wrote: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe? Has anyone successfully copied some Abba to their HD without hosing

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Aron Smith
On Friday 12 November 2004 03:47 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:45:36 -0500 Ryan Steffes disseminated the following: trade union groups Excellent explanatory post, very good description of Bittorrent. However, I don't know if would quite characterize the RIAA and MPAA as 'trade

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Aron Smith
On Friday 12 November 2004 11:33 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:03:20 -0800 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 01:51 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:47:13 +1100 Andrewd disseminated the following: Of course down here in

Re: [newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?

2004-11-12 Thread Aron Smith
On Friday 12 November 2004 03:40 pm, Wojciech Podgórni wrote: Hello everyone! I have a hardware question for you. My aunt is buying a Plug'n'Play flat screen monitor for her Mandrake 10.0 computer and I am worried if it would work on that system. The rest of the hardware is quite old -

Re: [newbie] Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Aron Smith
On Friday 12 November 2004 04:49 pm, Richard Urwin wrote: On Friday 12 Nov 2004 4:16 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 11:06 am, JoeHill wrote: My 4 yr old daughter wants me to download some Abba songs, like 'Dancing Queen' and the like. Is this safe?

Re: [newbie] Do newest flat screen (non-LCD) monitors work on Mandrake?

2004-11-12 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Friday 12 November 2004 05:40 pm, Wojciech Podgórni wrote: Hello everyone! I have a hardware question for you. My aunt is buying a Plug'n'Play flat screen monitor for her Mandrake 10.0 computer and I am worried if it would work on that system. The rest of the hardware is quite old -

Re: [newbie] Re: Is Abba safe?

2004-11-12 Thread Trevor
Joe, Andrewd disseminated the following: Of course down here in Australia it is illegal to make any copies no matter what the reason. So basically all those people running around with ipods cannot legally use them here as Apple do not allow you to use the Apple store here. We have no

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread rikona
Hello Jack, Friday, November 12, 2004, 1:50:31 PM, Jack wrote: J But when an expert gives you specific directions on how to do J something, and it has worked for him, it *should work for me* J also! Speaking of experts, a few years back I had a very severe Windows problem. Lots of

[newbie] Re: (OT) Reguarding reply-to and the gmail address

2004-11-12 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It would appear that on Oct 31, Tom Brinkman did say: On Saturday 30 October 2004 03:50 pm, Amy wrote: Then I suppose it's time to bug the gmail team. Very weird though, considering it's let me select a blank field for the replyto address. Oh

Re: [newbie] first email from new laptop w/Mdk!!!

2004-11-12 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Monday 08 November 2004 09:36 pm, Alexander Ruoff wrote: I had the same problem with my Inspiron 510m while I had mdk 10.0 OE running. After upgrading to mdk 10.1 CE the laptop shuts and powers down automatically. Only thing which I didn't get working is the wlan but I hope this is solved

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Greg Meyer
On Friday 12 November 2004 04:50 pm, Jack wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 11 November 2004 05:54 pm, Jack wrote: 5 - Most damning of all was my attempted upgrade to 10.1 official. I completely wiped my drive to do a clean install, and after everything was said and done, the official

Re: Fwd: [newbie] A short notice to gmail users

2004-11-12 Thread David E. Fox
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:06:20 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a sig on the lines of 'I am a gmail user and cannot turn off reply-to. Please be aware of this.' It wouldn't be easier just to change clients? --

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:56:52 -0500 Jack disseminated the following: Actually, XP could learn from Linux to *force* users (insteading of just recommending) that users use a limited account to do their day-to-day computing. This would close a lot of the security

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
rikona wrote: Hello Jack, Friday, November 12, 2004, 1:50:31 PM, Jack wrote: J But when an expert gives you specific directions on how to do J something, and it has worked for him, it *should work for me* J also! Speaking of experts, a few years back I had a very severe Windows problem.

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:55:46 -0500 Jack disseminated the following: Joe, you really need to read more carefully. I'll let you look at my initial post (at the top) again so you can figure it out for yourself... LOL! Okay, I shouldn't o' had that last hit of acid... -- JoeHill / RLU #282046

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 04:50 pm, Jack wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 11 November 2004 05:54 pm, Jack wrote: 5 - Most damning of all was my attempted upgrade to 10.1 official. I completely wiped my drive to do a

Re: [newbie] Re: Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
Bjrn Lundin wrote: Jack wrote: Okay, I've spent a couple of months playing with Mandrake Linux (10.1 community) and here are my (unsolicited) impressions: 3 - Couldn't upgrade to KDE 3.3, despite having the CD for it and despite help from experts like

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Jack
JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:55:46 -0500 Jack disseminated the following: Joe, you really need to read more carefully. I'll let you look at my initial post (at the top) again so you can figure it out for yourself... LOL! Okay, I shouldn't o' had that last

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Randall D. Hobbs
On Friday 12 November 2004 10:07 pm, JoeHill wrote: LOL! Okay, I shouldn't o' had that last hit of acid... Hehehe... Well I'm a wasted rock ranger... I live the life of danger On the road to find a higher high! ;-) -- Take care, Randall Hobbs Programmer - System Administrator - Chip

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux not yet ready for primetime

2004-11-12 Thread Greg Meyer
On Friday 12 November 2004 11:10 pm, Jack wrote: Good point Greg but I dislike upgrading.  I always prefer to do a clean install.  My experience has been (up to now) that there are less problems this way.     I tend to agree, especially when moving from point release to point release,

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