Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-04-03 Thread Charles Hedrick
If we're overreacting, it's based on Oracle's inability to clarify. We're working with our sales people. They understand that our current reading of the license is going to cause us to move a lot of our activity to Linux, and non-Sun hardware. Thus they have every incentive to clarify, if

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-04-01 Thread Hugh McIntyre
Tim Scanlon wrote: I don't think evaporating non-contract security patch releases is especially best practice. Note I'm only making reference to security patches. Other types of patches are really a completely separate issue than this in some respects. IMHO the problem is that Sun never

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-04-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de wrote: None of Sun's or Oracle's actual products has real license keys build into the software. So, it will not stop nor be feature-reduced! You only will no longer be allowed to used it. When or if-at-all Oracle might think about sueing you, is

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-04-01 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Joerg Schilling) wrote: Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de wrote: None of Sun's or Oracle's actual products has real license keys build into the software. So, it will not stop nor be feature-reduced! You only will no longer be allowed to used it. When or if-at-all Oracle

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-04-01 Thread Edward Martinez
And, that's why, AFAIK, Oracle has NEVER tried to sue anybody for using its software for more than 90 days. The 90 day limit is with Oracle for years now, that's their practice, so, why complain? Just check, what Oracle had been doing with their free-software and their licneses. yeah,

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-04-01 Thread Tim Scanlon
hugh wrote: But no upfront cost and no support revenue does not make for a good business. I've no argument with that, or with what you've said about `casual users' etc. In fact I'm avoiding speculation on the impact of these changes on audited environments scads of other things that could be

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-04-01 Thread Hiroshi Chonan
It surrounded all over the world and confused many of Solaris/OpenSolaris guys. However, I wonder how many guys checked Software License Agreement of Solaris OS which considered more legal. http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/licensing/sla.xml Now, still I can read this document and find about

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-04-01 Thread Anon Y Mous
Maybe this one is Oracle playing an April Fools joke on us as well? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Mike DeMarco
Two more items of interest have just surfaced: Oracle has pulled all engineers from wonderland project. Oracle has stated that going forward OpenSolaris will NOT have all packages from Solaris prime. I take this to mean if It has not been put into the public domain already it will be yanked

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mar 31, 2010, at 13:34, Mike DeMarco wrote: Two more items of interest have just surfaced: Oracle has pulled all engineers from wonderland project. That's hardly news. Wonderland was clearly headed for the door even pre-ORCA and the people working on it went off immediately CIC happened

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Paul Griffith
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 05:34 -0700, Mike DeMarco wrote: Two more items of interest have just surfaced: Oracle has pulled all engineers from wonderland project. Oracle has stated that going forward OpenSolaris will NOT have all packages from Solaris prime. I take this to mean if It has

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Peter Tribble
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Mike DeMarco mikej...@yahoo.com wrote: Two more items of interest have just surfaced: Just? References? Oracle has pulled all engineers from wonderland project. That's not news, Open Wonderland came into being weeks ago. Oracle has stated that going forward

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Paul Griffith pa...@cse.yorku.ca wrote: I would be nice to know what packages Oracle is pulling from OpenSolaris. I wonder if Oracle is just trying to differentiate Solaris from OpenSolaris (i.e. Redhat Enterprise Linux vs. Fedora / Suse vs OpenSuse). We

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Robert Milkowski
Oracle has stated that going forward OpenSolaris will NOT have all packages from Solaris prime. That's always been the case since the OpenSolaris distribution was created over 2 years ago. Again, nothing new, unless you're referring to or know something different. Oracle is doing

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Robert Milkowski) wrote: Oracle has stated that going forward OpenSolaris will NOT have all packages from Solaris prime. That's always been the case since the OpenSolaris distribution was created over 2 years ago. Again, nothing new, unless you're referring to or know something

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Jason King
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Robert Milkowski mi...@task.gda.pl wrote: Oracle has stated that going forward OpenSolaris will NOT have all packages from Solaris prime. That's always been the case since the OpenSolaris distribution was created over 2 years ago. Again, nothing new, unless

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Calum Benson
On 31/03/2010 14:55, Robert Milkowski wrote: Oracle is doing Welcome Sessions and when I attended the London one couple of weeks ago they mentioned that not everything will be open source in Open Solaris. That's always been the case. Everything in the OpenSolaris distro is freely

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 31/03/2010 14:55, Robert Milkowski wrote: Oracle is doing Welcome Sessions and when I attended the London one couple of weeks ago they mentioned that not everything will be open source in Open Solaris. That's always been the case. Everything in the OpenSolaris distro is freely

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Mike DeMarco wrote: Oracle has pulled all engineers from wonderland project. That happened months ago, unrelated to OpenSolaris. Oracle has stated that going forward OpenSolaris will NOT have all packages from Solaris prime. That is no different than Sun's policy - there were plenty of

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Tim Scanlon
I don't think evaporating non-contract security patch releases is especially best practice. Note I'm only making reference to security patches. Other types of patches are really a completely separate issue than this in some respects. It's a fairly simple argument to make that this is a vendor

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-30 Thread Mike DeMarco
Most of us that run OpenSolaris rely on Solaris 10 also. We live our day to day on Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris. As far as I am concerned they go hand in hand and a major event affecting one of them has ramifications on both. The discussions that go on on this list are not 100% OpenSolaris but

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-30 Thread Brandon Hume
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 06:47 -0700, Mike DeMarco wrote: If you do not like a topic you can skip over it. I do not understand people that have to get on a thread and trash it for being in the wrong place, Why do you not just skip reading this thread if you do not agree with it being here.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-30 Thread Mike DeMarco
This may come as a bit of a shock, but a large number of us are subscribed via email. We get those emails whether we're interested in the thread or not. Not at all. I to subscribe via email and have my email sort via filters that process the emails for me. I read what I want and trash

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-30 Thread ken mays
warranty or technical support you need. Otherwise, you have other options to utilize for your work or hobbist environment. May our cups run over, Ken Mays --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Mike DeMarco mikej...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike DeMarco mikej...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-30 Thread Matthias Pfützner
mikej...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike DeMarco mikej...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:47 AM Most of us that run OpenSolaris rely on Solaris 10 also. We live our day to day

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread bsd
OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. With the 8.0 release you can run vimage which is essentially Solaris Zones, while FreeBSD has had jails for years and recently upgraded jails to v2. Crossbow is really the only feature not in FreeBSD that I'd like to

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Paul Gress
On 03/29/10 02:06 AM, bsd wrote: OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. With the 8.0 release you can run vimage which is essentially Solaris Zones, while FreeBSD has had jails for years and recently upgraded jails to v2. Crossbow is really the only feature

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke dcla...@blastwave.org wrote: Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and your email removed permanently. This is unacceptable. As someone that recently bought and installed Microsoft Windows Ultimate 7 64-bit

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
bsd mascotgr...@yahoo.com wrote: OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. This is an incorrect claim, Opensolaris runs zfs. Please try to avoid missleading claims. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Dennis Clarke
Dennis Clarke dcla...@blastwave.org wrote: Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and your email removed permanently. This is unacceptable. As someone that recently bought and installed Microsoft Windows Ultimate 7

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Svein Skogen
On 29.03.2010 11:52, Joerg Schilling wrote: bsd mascotgr...@yahoo.com wrote: OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. This is an incorrect claim, Opensolaris runs zfs. Please try to avoid missleading claims. I suppose what he meant was FreeBSD too has zfs

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Svein Skogen) wrote: On 29.03.2010 11:52, Joerg Schilling wrote: bsd mascotgr...@yahoo.com wrote: OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. This is an incorrect claim, Opensolaris runs zfs. Please try to avoid missleading claims. I suppose

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Svein Skogen sv...@stillbilde.net wrote: On 29.03.2010 11:52, Joerg Schilling wrote: bsd mascotgr...@yahoo.com wrote: OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. This is an incorrect claim, Opensolaris runs zfs. Please try to avoid missleading claims.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Calum Benson
On 29/03/2010 06:07, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: Given that we presently have (1), it is perverse to hold to (2). Why should people go out of their way to be civil, when they know they will get censored? We already have (2) as well. It's embodied in the OpenSolaris Community Code of Conduct:

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Fredrich Maney
The routines may be working properly on the Jive Forum, but they are not running at all on the email list. I agree with Paul and Dennis. Keep it civil and professional or go find someplace else to participate. fpsm On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Alex Viskovatoff viskovat...@imap.cc wrote:

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread ken mays
As for this whole thread of discussion, the point of Oracle Solaris 10 being non-free seems like a trolling event. Oracle Solaris 10 10/09 (u8) is currently FREE to download. From a business point of view, if Oracle really pulled the plug on the downloads - what does that matter to us?!? I'd

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Edward Martinez
Hi, I don't understand why at the actual forums of Solaris 10 OS, I did not find any complaints about Solaris 10 OS not being free anymore, but here at OpenSolaris forums that really pertains only to OpenSolaris OS is full of complaints about Solaris 10. I thinks this is a more appropriate

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Brian Wilson
So, I'm sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but has anyone asked/ answered the question of getting support and patches running Solaris 10 on ESX on non-Sun hardware? I've got a semi-ranty email out to my Sun reps but haven't heard anything back yet. Thanks in advance, and again, my

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread bsd
I almost built my infrastructure on OpenSolaris and Solaris but am glad I decided to opt for FreeBSD and OpenBSD instead. There are way too many problems with OpenSolaris anymore that it wasn't reliable. Now throw in the 90 day evaluation and then buy costly support is icing on the cake. It

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
bsd mascotgr...@yahoo.com wrote: I almost built my infrastructure on OpenSolaris and Solaris but am glad I decided to opt for FreeBSD and OpenBSD instead. Solaris 10 is not open and never was. Solaris 10 is from January 2005 and closed source. OpenSolaris is from Jnue 14th 2005. Jörg --

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 15:52 -0700, bsd wrote: I almost built my infrastructure on OpenSolaris and Solaris but am glad I decided to opt for FreeBSD and OpenBSD instead. There are way too many problems with OpenSolaris anymore that it wasn't reliable. Now throw in the 90 day evaluation and

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Dennis Clarke
-- Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and your email removed permanently. This is unacceptable. As someone that recently bought and installed Microsoft Windows Ultimate 7 64-bit edition I would rather look at the cost of

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and your email removed permanently. This is unacceptable. speaking as a businessman I certianly [sic] do. Quite franky [sic], on these public mail lists, you will use correct english [sic] or at least acceptable language

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Paul Gress
On 03/28/10 10:51 PM, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and your email removed permanently. This is unacceptable. speaking as a businessman I certianly [sic] do. Quite franky [sic], on these public mail

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
These forums aren't censored for content, just for fowl language, we try to keep it civil here. I agree with Dennis Clarks warning. Yes, they are censored for foul language. This is how the post that is provoking the outrage appears if you view it in the Forums: let's not dis Open/Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Paul Gress
On 03/29/10 01:07 AM, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: These forums aren't censored for content, just for fowl language, we try to keep it civil here. I agree with Dennis Clarks warning. Yes, they are censored for foul language. This is how the post that is provoking the outrage appears if you

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Dennis Clarke
These forums aren't censored for content, just for fowl language, we try to keep it civil here. I agree with Dennis Clarks warning. Yes, they are censored for foul language. This is how the post that is provoking the outrage appears if you view it in the Forums: I have had quite enough of

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread Bob Palowoda
There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 Is the hardware OEM's that supply the chips, controllers etc supporting Oracle's support strategy? ---Bob -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread john kroll
The hardware components used within a given system would not have to have the same policy when the end product machine is used in registry. This page is © Copyright 2001-2010 helpwithpcs.com An example of OEM hardware would be: A hardware company that manufactures one type of circuit board

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread B
Have these policies already gone into place, because I am still (crossing fingers) getting security updates on my Solaris 10 box with no agreement. I just got a new one today. Thanks! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Visualisation? In the DataCenter? I guess, you're talking about Virtualization, right? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Someone's overlooked the whole visualisation thing. What's one of OpenSolaris's bit selling

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread john kroll
I would have to guess no not from the current manufacturer. Maybe possible from someone else in the net framework if what your doing is important enough ?? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread Ian Collins
On 03/28/10 07:15 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: Visualisation? In the DataCenter? I guess, you're talking about Virtualization, right? Right, trust me to copy and paste a typo! -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread James Mansion
Giovanni Tirloni wrote: Personally I'm an open source advocate so any software business model that is closed will have to try hard to convince me that it's better than all the community can provide in testing, bug reporting, free marketing, free support, etc. You might be an advocate, but have

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 10:35 -0700, B wrote: Have these policies already gone into place, because I am still (crossing fingers) getting security updates on my Solaris 10 box with no agreement. I just got a new one today. Thanks! I just took another look at it - the download page has been

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread B
Good luck to us all! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 Presuming it to be accurate, there are a couple of considerations that approach misses: * some of today's home/educational/small business have influence

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 12:14, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 Presuming it to be accurate, there are a couple of

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Paul Griffith
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 21:10 -0700, Dave Koelmeyer wrote: There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or_Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 ...snip Oracle (ORCL) has adopted what amounts to an all or nothing hardware support policy,

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Calum Benson
On 24 Mar 2010, at 14:22, Alan Coopersmith wrote: add in another 80,000 and it's even more overwhelmingly impossible, especially as we're just barely starting to learn how to find information on Oracle's network. Not to mention that there are still large parts of Sun outside the US that

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 04:14 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 Presuming it to be accurate, there are a couple of considerations that approach

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 12:28 +0100, Svein Skogen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 12:14, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.netwrote: On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 04:14 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Yes, there's nothing necessarily wrong with a unified support policy in itself. But Oracle has also adopted the policy of not allowing users the option of paying a (significantly lower) fee to get updates without getting support. This seem to be bad business, not to mention open hostility to

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 14:53 -0300, Giovanni Tirloni wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 04:14 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: There is more information here:

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 19:27, Ken Gunderson wrote: Having familiarity with Linux, *BSD, and HP-UX over the years, and Open/Solaris more recently, my take is that Open/Solaris IS technologically superior. I have no experience with AIX so cannot comment.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Svein Skogen sv...@stillbilde.net wrote: On 26.03.2010 19:27, Ken Gunderson wrote: Having familiarity with Linux, *BSD, and HP-UX over the years, and Open/Solaris more recently, my take is that Open/Solaris IS technologically superior.  I have no experience

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Ian Collins
On 03/26/10 05:10 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote: There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or_Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 Bringing this back a little closer to topicality, there one feature relating to OpenSolaris missing from that

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-25 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 03:13 -0700, Erik Trimble wrote: Haulyn Jason wrote: Many things changed, we must face to these, but, can anybody tell me, how can we still believe oracle will keep opensolaris as now? Who can make sure opensolaris will not change it's own way? is it the

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-25 Thread Marion Hakanson
kgund...@teamcool.net said: . . . A - DR - At this point Oracle is very focused on places where they can make revenue and margin. Unfortunately for us, we have not seen a good uptake on those standalone subscriptions. Has seen more emails on the topic than the total number of systems sold.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-25 Thread Dave Koelmeyer
There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or_Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Haulyn Jason
On 2010年03月24日 12:40, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: And the forum's are now apparently now programmed to censor comments, although they don't even have basic functionality like displaying boldface. I can and bu_gg_er got turned into asterisks. Brilliant. That's not new, it's been censoring

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Erik Trimble
Haulyn Jason wrote: Many things changed, we must face to these, but, can anybody tell me, how can we still believe oracle will keep opensolaris as now? Who can make sure opensolaris will not change it's own way? is it the time to migrate from sun(now as oracle/sun) productions to linux,

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Sean Sprague
Erik, Bottom line: it's very premature to bail right now. That's a huge thing to do, given that what is said today may not be the reality tomorrow. I'm not saying sit on your hands and do nothing, but certainly jumping ship at the first sign of trouble is equally foolish. What you say is

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24.03.2010 11:13, Erik Trimble wrote: Haulyn Jason wrote: Many things changed, we must face to these, but, can anybody tell me, how can we still believe oracle will keep opensolaris as now? Who can make sure opensolaris will not change it's

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sean Sprague s...@cvok.co.uk wrote: What you say is absolutely correct; and OpenSolaris users should read it at face value. Oracle now has at its command the best set of developers/sustainers/supporters that exist, IMO; and unless Oracle is infinitely short-sighted, then OpenSolaris will

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Mike DeMarco
I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Mike DeMarco wrote: I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? Because most of the Sun/Oracle people here are engineers and have absolutely no idea what's happening in the world of issuing licenses and selling support contracts - at

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Sean Sprague
Mike, I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? Aside to AlanC's (always) measured response, I suspect an implicit gagging order might be present. Regards... Sean. ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Casper . Dik
Mike, I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? Aside to AlanC's (always) measured response, I suspect an implicit gagging order might be present. This is just too funny. Casper

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Mark R. Bowyer
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 15:44 +0100, casper@sun.com wrote: Mike, I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? Aside to AlanC's (always) measured response, I suspect an implicit gagging order might be present. This is

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Sean Sprague
Mark, On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 15:44 +0100, casper@sun.com wrote: Mike, I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? Aside to AlanC's (always) measured response, I suspect an implicit gagging order might be

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Henry Pepper
This being funny how? I would guess that some of the people on this list are using the OpenSolaris as a testbed for Solaris Next, to prospect options for their coming solutions for their commercial products. For some the possibility that only Sun HW is supported in the commercial product might be

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Will Fiveash
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 07:22:45AM -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Mike DeMarco wrote: I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? Because most of the Sun/Oracle people here are engineers and have absolutely no idea what's

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Mike DeMarco
just got this in from Sun Sales rep. Oracle Hardware Service Changes Support Options I. Systems Premier Support for Systems  Covers system hardware, OS and virtualization software  One level of Service  7/24

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] 8% of customer’s net system price  There will only be one price list – Hardware Price List  Service pricing is based on hardware price [...] Well..._that_ destroys support for the home user. I mean, am I really going to spend 8% * the $12000 or so that my Sun Blade 2000 (with

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 07:54 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: [...] 8% of customer’s net system price  There will only be one price list – Hardware Price List  Service pricing is based on hardware price [...] Well..._that_ destroys support for the home user. I mean, am I

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 04:46 -0700, Mike DeMarco wrote: just got this in from Sun Sales rep. [snip the royal arse fsck'ing by Oracle] VI. Service Portfolio Details: http://www.oracle.com/us/support/systems/operating- systems/index.html

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
2) Solaris 10 license are changed such that you can no longer use for more than 90 days evaluation w/o Entitlement. Again, w/o any advance notice. 3) New Entitlements are now only available with purchase of SPARC hardware. I had a look at the licensing information that there is a link to on

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 15:30 -0700, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: 2) Solaris 10 license are changed such that you can no longer use for more than 90 days evaluation w/o Entitlement. Again, w/o any advance notice. 3) New Entitlements are now only available with purchase of SPARC hardware. I

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Suggest you read a little more thoroughly: In order to use the Solaris operating system for perpetual commercial use, each system running Solaris must be expressly licensed to do so. An Entitlement Document comprises such license and is delivered to you either with a new Sun system or from Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24.03.2010 00:57, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: Since this is an OpenSolaris board, why are you bringing up FreeBSD? You can't get official commercial support for FreeBSD any more than you can for Fedora or for Arch Linux, since all three are free,

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Hi Ken, Here's a post by your Doppelgänger: http://wikis.sun.com/display/SunSolve/How+Entitlement+Works?focusedCommentId=199106721#comment-199106721 I can't seem to purchase a support contract. The only page that even lists the ability to purchase it is broken (see dpfloyd's comment), and I

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
And the forum's are now apparently now programmed to censor comments, although they don't even have basic functionality like displaying boldface. I can and bugger got turned into asterisks. Brilliant. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
And the forum's are now apparently now programmed to censor comments, although they don't even have basic functionality like displaying boldface. I can and bu_gg_er got turned into asterisks. Brilliant. That's not new, it's been censoring letter sequences that _might_ correspond to

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Aidan Lawn
To update my earlier post: Opensolaris is free but it has no patches. Well none until the next 6 month release (There was a paid for montly repo but this is supposed to be discontinued). To get security patches or any patches you need to be using the opensolaris dev line. There was talk

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Mike DeMarco
FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support contract or for that matter license it at all under X64/X86 unless you are using it on Sun Hardware. This little ditty has just forced us to move are apache servers to Linux. ;{ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Svein Skogen
On 22.03.2010 12:43, Mike DeMarco wrote: FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support contract or for that matter license it at all under X64/X86 unless you are using it on Sun Hardware. This little ditty has just forced us to move are apache servers to Linux. ;{ So, the old perpetual

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Volker A. Brandt
FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support contract or for that matter license it at all under X64/X86 unless you are using it on Sun Hardware. This little ditty has just forced us to move are apache servers to Linux. ;{ So, the old perpetual license I received, per mail, for

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
This isn't the place to discuss Solaris 10 licensing. This topic has been discussed on comp.unix.solaris yesterday. This is a fine place to discuss anything about solaris or opensolaris, regardless of whether or not it's already been discussed elsewhere. You can't expect people to know

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