[osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-21 Thread Aidan Lawn
I just found this out, I don't know if it was announced or not but its news to me. The official license can be read here: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17 The key bit is: Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is limited to a trial of 90 days, un

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-21 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
There are no free patches for solaris 10 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Aidan Lawn wrote: > I just found this out, I don't know if it was announced or not but its news > to me. > The official license can be read here: > > http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17 > > The key bit i

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-21 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:30:19AM -0300, Ignacio Marambio Cat?n wrote: > There are no free patches for solaris 10 Nor for OpenSolaris releases (you have to follow the dev builds) -- Dan. > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Aidan Lawn wrote: > > I just found this out, I don't know if it was

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-21 Thread Octave Orgeron
, March 21, 2010 10:46:29 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:30:19AM -0300, Ignacio Marambio Cat?n wrote: > There are no free patches for solaris 10 Nor for OpenSolaris releases (you have to follow the dev builds) -- Dan. > > On Mon, Mar 22

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-21 Thread Ian Collins
On 03/22/10 04:19 PM, Aidan Lawn wrote: I just found this out, I don't know if it was announced or not but its news to me. The official license can be read here: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17 The key bit is: Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a down

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-21 Thread Aidan Lawn
I did not know opensolaris costs too, that is a shame. Thanks for the feed back, I didn't know about the comp.unix thread but have found it now. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@openso

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Aidan Lawn
To update my earlier post: Opensolaris is free but it has no patches. Well none until the next 6 month release (There was a paid for montly repo but this is supposed to be discontinued). To get security patches or any patches you need to be using the opensolaris dev line. There was talk of

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Mike DeMarco
FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support contract or for that matter license it at all under X64/X86 unless you are using it on Sun Hardware. This little ditty has just forced us to move are apache servers to Linux. ;{ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Svein Skogen
On 22.03.2010 12:43, Mike DeMarco wrote: FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support contract or for that matter license it at all under X64/X86 unless you are using it on Sun Hardware. This little ditty has just forced us to move are apache servers to Linux. ;{ So, the old "perpetual l

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Volker A. Brandt
> > FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support contract or for that > > matter license it at all under X64/X86 unless you are using it on Sun > > Hardware. This little ditty has just forced us to move are apache servers > > to Linux. ;{ > > So, the old "perpetual license" I received, per

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> This isn't the place to discuss Solaris 10 licensing. This topic has > been discussed on comp.unix.solaris yesterday. This is a fine place to discuss anything about solaris or opensolaris, regardless of whether or not it's already been discussed elsewhere. You can't expect people to know every

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support contract or for that > matter license it at all under X64/X86 unless you are using it on Sun > Hardware. This little ditty has just forced us to move are apache > servers to Linux. ;{ That's not true. I don't know how many vendors do this, but I

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> > > FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support contract or for > that matter license it at all under X64/X86 unless you are using it on > Sun Hardware. This little ditty has just forced us to move are apache > servers to Linux. ;{ > > This is more a PR disaster. Oracle needs to spell out

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Mike DeMarco
> > FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support > contract or for that > > matter license it at all under X64/X86 unless you > are using it on Sun > > Hardware. This little ditty has just forced us to > move are apache > > servers to Linux. ;{ > > That's not true. I don't know how many vend

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Dave Koelmeyer
> I just found this out, I don't know if it was > announced or not but its news to me. > The official license can be read here: > > http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17 The change itself and the way in which it has been communicated (or not, rather) is cause for concern. The b

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> I will verify, this has come directly from our sun/oracle sales rep. Did anybody ever say the Sun/Oracle sales reps are totally honest, totally informed, and totally unbiased? ;-) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.o

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> > I just found this out, I don't know if it was > > announced or not but its news to me. > > The official license can be read here: > > > > http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17 > > The change itself and the way in which it has been communicated (or > not, rather) is cause for co

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Mike DeMarco
> > > I just found this out, I don't know if it was > > > announced or not but its news to me. > > > The official license can be read here: > > > > > > > http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17 > > > > The change itself and the way in which it has been > communicated (or > > not, rat

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Mike DeMarco
> > > > I just found this out, I don't know if it was > > > > announced or not but its news to me. > > > > The official license can be read here: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17 > > > > > > The change itself and the way in which it has > been > > communi

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Mike DeMarco
> FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support > contract or for that matter license it at all under > X64/X86 unless you are using it on Sun Hardware. This > little ditty has just forced us to move are apache > servers to Linux. ;{ I have been assured by Sun/Oracle sales reps that this announ

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:07:20AM -0700, Aidan Lawn wrote: > > I don't even think microsoft could come up with a better FUD > campaign than what oracle is doing themselves to opensolaris. Well, I think they're supplying the U. The F and the D are coming from elsewhere, fairly or not, but all t

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Sean Sprague
Edward, This isn't the place to discuss Solaris 10 licensing. This topic has been discussed on comp.unix.solaris yesterday. This is a fine place to discuss anything about solaris or opensolaris, regardless of whether or not it's already been discussed elsewhere. You can't expect people

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Svein Skogen
On 22.03.2010 16:02, Daniel Carosone wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:07:20AM -0700, Aidan Lawn wrote: I don't even think microsoft could come up with a better FUD campaign than what oracle is doing themselves to opensolaris. Well, I think they're supplying the U. The F and the D are coming

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Mike DeMarco) wrote: > > FYI You can not buy a Solaris 10 software support > > contract or for that matter license it at all under > > X64/X86 unless you are using it on Sun Hardware. This > > little ditty has just forced us to move are apache > > servers to Linux. ;{ > I have been assured by

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Ian Collins
On 03/23/10 01:19 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Please don't snip attributions, it's rude. This isn't the place to discuss Solaris 10 licensing. This topic has been discussed on comp.unix.solaris yesterday. This is a fine place to discuss anything about solaris or opensolaris, regardless

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Daniel Carosone
Regardless of accuracy or Uncertainty, a discussion about whether one can buy something or from which vendors is irrelevant if one is not looking to purchase. Those of us looking to use free and open source systems, for whatever reason and purpose, are interested in different questions than the o

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Stephen Bunn
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > Again, as in my other posts in this thread, it's false. > > Yes, you can buy solaris for x86 hardware. I know because I buy it with > Dell servers. > > It is possible for them to ship solaris with a different license via the > website,

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-22 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 08:52 +0900, Stephen Bunn wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Edward Ned Harvey > wrote: > Again, as in my other posts in this thread, it's false. > > Yes, you can buy solaris for x86 hardware. I know because I > buy it with >

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Mike DeMarco
just got this in from Sun Sales rep. Oracle Hardware Service Changes Support Options I. Systems Premier Support for Systems  Covers system hardware, OS and virtualization software  One level of Service  7/24 wi

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] > 8% of customer’s net system price >  There will only be one price list – > Hardware Price List >  Service pricing is based on hardware > price [...] Well..._that_ destroys support for the home user. I mean, am I really going to spend 8% * the $12000 or so that my Sun Blade 2000 (

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 07:54 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > [...] > > 8% of customer’s net system price > >  There will only be one price list – > > Hardware Price List > >  Service pricing is based on hardware > > price > [...] > > Well..._that_ destroys support for the home user.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 04:46 -0700, Mike DeMarco wrote: > just got this in from Sun Sales rep. > [snip the royal arse fsck'ing by Oracle] > VI. Service Portfolio Details: >http://www.oracle.com/us/support/systems/operating- >systems/index.html >http://www.oracle.com/us/supp

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
> 2) Solaris 10 license are changed such that you can no longer use for more than 90 days evaluation w/o "Entitlement". Again, w/o any advance notice. > 3) New Entitlements are now only available with purchase of SPARC hardware. I had a look at the licensing information that there is a link to on

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 15:30 -0700, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: > > 2) Solaris 10 license are changed such that you can no longer use for > more than 90 days evaluation w/o "Entitlement". Again, w/o any advance > notice. > > > 3) New Entitlements are now only available with purchase of SPARC > hardwar

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
> Suggest you read a little more thoroughly: > "In order to use the Solaris operating system for perpetual commercial use, each system running Solaris must be expressly licensed to do so. An Entitlement Document comprises such license and is delivered to you either with a new Sun system or from Su

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24.03.2010 00:57, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: > Since this is an OpenSolaris board, why are you bringing up FreeBSD? You > can't get official commercial support for FreeBSD any more than you can for > Fedora or for Arch Linux, since all three are free

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 01:48 +0100, Svein Skogen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 24.03.2010 00:57, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: > > Since this is an OpenSolaris board, why are you bringing up FreeBSD? You > > can't get official commercial support for FreeBSD any more th

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Hi Ken, Here's a post by your Doppelgänger: http://wikis.sun.com/display/SunSolve/How+Entitlement+Works?focusedCommentId=199106721#comment-199106721 > I can't seem to purchase a support contract. The only page that even lists > the ability to purchase it is broken (see dpfloyd's comment), and I

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
And the forum's are now apparently now programmed to censor comments, although they don't even have basic functionality like displaying boldface. "I can" and "bugger" got turned into asterisks. Brilliant. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org __

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-23 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> And the forum's are now apparently now programmed to > censor comments, although they don't even have basic > functionality like displaying boldface. "I can" and > "bu_gg_er" got turned into asterisks. > > Brilliant. That's not new, it's been censoring letter sequences that _might_ correspond t

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Haulyn Jason
On 2010年03月24日 12:40, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: And the forum's are now apparently now programmed to censor comments, although they don't even have basic functionality like displaying boldface. "I can" and "bu_gg_er" got turned into asterisks. Brilliant. That's not new, it's been censori

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Erik Trimble
Haulyn Jason wrote: Many things changed, we must face to these, but, can anybody tell me, how can we still believe oracle will keep opensolaris as now? Who can make sure opensolaris will not change it's own way? is it the time to migrate from sun(now as oracle/sun) productions to linux, alt

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Sean Sprague
Erik, Bottom line: it's very premature to bail right now. That's a huge thing to do, given that what is said today may not be the reality tomorrow. I'm not saying sit on your hands and do nothing, but certainly jumping ship at the first sign of trouble is equally foolish. What you say is a

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24.03.2010 11:13, Erik Trimble wrote: > Haulyn Jason wrote: >> >> Many things changed, we must face to these, but, can anybody tell me, >> how can we still believe oracle will keep opensolaris as now? Who can >> make sure opensolaris will not chan

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sean Sprague wrote: > What you say is absolutely correct; and OpenSolaris users should read it > at face value. Oracle now has at its command the best set of > developers/sustainers/supporters that exist, IMO; and unless Oracle is > infinitely short-sighted, then OpenSolaris will and must have

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Mike DeMarco
I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Mike DeMarco wrote: > I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. > > Why are you guys so quiet? Because most of the Sun/Oracle people here are engineers and have absolutely no idea what's happening in the world of issuing licenses and selling support contracts - at

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Sean Sprague
Mike, I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? Aside to AlanC's (always) measured response, I suspect an implicit gagging order might be present. Regards... Sean. ___ opensolaris-dis

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Casper . Dik
>Mike, > >> I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. >> >> Why are you guys so quiet? >> > >Aside to AlanC's (always) measured response, I suspect an implicit >gagging order might be present. This is just too funny. Casper __

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Mark R. Bowyer
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 15:44 +0100, casper@sun.com wrote: > >Mike, > > > >> I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. > >> > >> Why are you guys so quiet? > >> > > > >Aside to AlanC's (always) measured response, I suspect an implicit > >gagging order might be

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Sean Sprague
Mark, On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 15:44 +0100, casper@sun.com wrote: Mike, I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. Why are you guys so quiet? Aside to AlanC's (always) measured response, I suspect an implicit gagging order might be pres

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Henry Pepper
This being funny how? I would guess that some of the people on this list are using the OpenSolaris as a testbed for Solaris Next, to prospect options for their coming solutions for their commercial products. For some the possibility that only Sun HW is supported in the commercial product might be

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-24 Thread Will Fiveash
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 07:22:45AM -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Mike DeMarco wrote: > > I do not notice anyone from Sun/Oracle making any comment on this thread. > > > > Why are you guys so quiet? > > Because most of the Sun/Oracle people here are engineers and have > absolutely no idea what'

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-25 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 03:13 -0700, Erik Trimble wrote: > Haulyn Jason wrote: > > > > Many things changed, we must face to these, but, can anybody tell me, > > how can we still believe oracle will keep opensolaris as now? Who can > > make sure opensolaris will not change it's own way? > > > > i

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-25 Thread Marion Hakanson
kgund...@teamcool.net said: > . . . > A - DR - At this point Oracle is very focused on places where they can make > revenue and margin. Unfortunately for us, we have not seen a good uptake on > those standalone subscriptions. Has seen more emails on the topic than the > total number of systems so

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-25 Thread Dave Koelmeyer
There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or_Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> There is more information here: > > http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or > _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 Presuming it to be accurate, there are a couple of considerations that approach misses: * some of today's home/educational/small business have influence

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 12:14, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> There is more information here: >> >> http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or >> _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 > > Presuming it to be accurate, there are a couple of

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Paul Griffith
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 21:10 -0700, Dave Koelmeyer wrote: > There is more information here: > > http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or_Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 ...snip Oracle (ORCL) has adopted what amounts to an "all or nothing" hardware support policy

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Calum Benson
On 24 Mar 2010, at 14:22, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > add in another 80,000 and it's even more overwhelmingly impossible, especially > as we're just barely starting to learn how to find information on > Oracle's network. Not to mention that there are still large parts of Sun outside the US that h

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 04:14 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > There is more information here: > > > > http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or > > _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 > > Presuming it to be accurate, there are a couple of considerations > that appro

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 12:28 +0100, Svein Skogen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 26.03.2010 12:14, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > >> There is more information here: > >> > >> http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or > >> _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 04:14 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > > There is more information here: > > > > > > http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or > > > _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 > > > > Presuming

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Yes, there's nothing necessarily wrong with a unified support policy in itself. But Oracle has also adopted the policy of not allowing users the option of paying a (significantly lower) fee to get updates without getting support. This seem to be bad business, not to mention open hostility to use

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 14:53 -0300, Giovanni Tirloni wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Ken Gunderson > wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 04:14 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > > There is more information here: > > > > > > http://www.cio.com/arti

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 19:27, Ken Gunderson wrote: > Having familiarity with Linux, *BSD, and HP-UX over the years, and > Open/Solaris more recently, my take is that Open/Solaris IS > technologically superior. I have no experience with AIX so cannot > comment.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Svein Skogen wrote: > On 26.03.2010 19:27, Ken Gunderson wrote: >> Having familiarity with Linux, *BSD, and HP-UX over the years, and >> Open/Solaris more recently, my take is that Open/Solaris IS >> technologically superior.  I have no experience with AIX so canno

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-26 Thread Ian Collins
On 03/26/10 05:10 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote: There is more information here: http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or_Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 Bringing this back a little closer to topicality, there one feature relating to OpenSolaris missing from that

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread Bob Palowoda
> There is more information here: > > http://www.cio.com/article/588163/Oracle_Enacts_all_Or > _Nothing_Hardware_Support_Policy?taxonomyId=3234 Is the hardware OEM's that supply the chips, controllers etc supporting Oracle's support strategy? ---Bob -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread john kroll
The hardware components used within a given system would not have to have the same policy when the end product machine is used in registry. This page is © Copyright 2001-2010 helpwithpcs.com An example of OEM hardware would be: A hardware company that manufactures one type of circuit board (such

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread B
Have these policies already gone into place, because I am still (crossing fingers) getting security updates on my Solaris 10 box with no agreement. I just got a new one today. Thanks! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Visualisation? In the DataCenter? I guess, you're talking about "Virtualization", right? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Ian Collins Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Someone's overlooked the whole visualisation thing. What's one of OpenSolaris's bit selling points? Visualisati

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread john kroll
I would have to guess no not from the current manufacturer. Maybe possible from someone else in the net framework if what your doing is important enough ?? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-disc

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread Ian Collins
On 03/28/10 07:15 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: Visualisation? In the DataCenter? I guess, you're talking about "Virtualization", right? Right, trust me to copy and paste a typo! -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opens

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread James Mansion
Giovanni Tirloni wrote: Personally I'm an open source advocate so any software business model that is closed will have to try hard to convince me that it's better than all the community can provide in testing, bug reporting, free marketing, free support, etc. You might be an advocate, but have

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 10:35 -0700, B wrote: > Have these policies already gone into place, because I am still (crossing > fingers) getting security updates on my Solaris 10 box with no agreement. I > just got a new one today. Thanks! I just took another look at it - the download page has been u

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-27 Thread B
Good luck to us all! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread bsd
I almost built my infrastructure on OpenSolaris and Solaris but am glad I decided to opt for FreeBSD and OpenBSD instead. There are way too many problems with OpenSolaris anymore that it wasn't reliable. Now throw in the 90 day evaluation and then buy costly support is icing on the cake. It

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
bsd wrote: > I almost built my infrastructure on OpenSolaris and Solaris but am glad I > decided to opt for FreeBSD and OpenBSD instead. Solaris 10 is not "open" and never was. Solaris 10 is from January 2005 and closed source. OpenSolaris is from Jnue 14th 2005. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 15:52 -0700, bsd wrote: > I almost built my infrastructure on OpenSolaris and Solaris but am glad I > decided to opt for FreeBSD and OpenBSD instead. > > There are way too many problems with OpenSolaris anymore that it wasn't > reliable. Now throw in the 90 day evaluation

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Dennis Clarke
> > -- > Ken Gunderson I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and your email removed permanently. This is unacceptable. As someone that recently bought and installed Microsoft Windows Ultimate 7 64-bit edition I would rather look at the cost of a vastly superior p

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
> I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and your email removed permanently. > This is unacceptable. > speaking as a businessman I certianly [sic] do. > Quite franky [sic], on these public mail lists, you will use correct english > [sic] or at least acceptable lang

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Paul Gress
On 03/28/10 10:51 PM, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and your email removed permanently. This is unacceptable. speaking as a businessman I certianly [sic] do. Quite franky [sic], on these public mail

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
> These forums aren't censored for content, just for fowl language, we try to > keep it civil here. I agree with Dennis Clarks warning. Yes, they are censored for foul language. This is how the post that is provoking the outrage appears if you view it in the Forums: > let's not dis Open/Solari

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Paul Gress
On 03/29/10 01:07 AM, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: These forums aren't censored for content, just for fowl language, we try to keep it civil here. I agree with Dennis Clarks warning. Yes, they are censored for foul language. This is how the post that is provoking the outrage appears if you v

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Dennis Clarke
>> These forums aren't censored for content, just for fowl language, we try >> to keep it civil here. I agree with Dennis Clarks warning. > > Yes, they are censored for foul language. This is how the post that is > provoking the outrage appears if you view it in the Forums: I have had quite enou

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread bsd
OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. With the 8.0 release you can run vimage which is essentially Solaris Zones, while FreeBSD has had jails for years and recently upgraded jails to v2. Crossbow is really the only feature not in FreeBSD that I'd like to hav

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread Paul Gress
On 03/29/10 02:06 AM, bsd wrote: OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. With the 8.0 release you can run vimage which is essentially Solaris Zones, while FreeBSD has had jails for years and recently upgraded jails to v2. Crossbow is really the only feature

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke wrote: > > Ken Gunderson > > I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and > your email removed permanently. > > This is unacceptable. > > As someone that recently bought and installed Microsoft Windows Ultimate 7 > 64-bit edition I would rather look at t

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
bsd wrote: > OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. This is an incorrect claim, Opensolaris runs zfs. Please try to avoid missleading claims. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Dennis Clarke wrote: >> > Ken Gunderson >> >> I will make an effort to have this sort of language and tone blocked and >> your email removed permanently. >> >> This is unacceptable. >> >> As someone that recently bought and installed Microsoft Windows Ultimate >> 7 >> 64-bit edition I would ra

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Svein Skogen
On 29.03.2010 11:52, Joerg Schilling wrote: > bsd wrote: > >> OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. > > This is an incorrect claim, Opensolaris runs zfs. Please try to avoid > missleading claims. I suppose what he meant was "FreeBSD too has zfs" (but an olde

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Svein Skogen) wrote: > On 29.03.2010 11:52, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > bsd wrote: > > > >> OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. > > > > This is an incorrect claim, Opensolaris runs zfs. Please try to avoid > > missleading claims. > > I suppose what he

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Svein Skogen wrote: > On 29.03.2010 11:52, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > bsd wrote: > > > >> OpenSolaris has some nice technologies, but with FreeBSD you can run zfs. > > > > This is an incorrect claim, Opensolaris runs zfs. Please try to avoid > > missleading claims. > > I suppose what he meant

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Calum Benson
On 29/03/2010 06:07, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: Given that we presently have (1), it is perverse to hold to (2). Why should people go out of their way to be civil, when they know they will get censored? We already have (2) as well. It's embodied in the OpenSolaris Community Code of Conduct: <

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Fredrich Maney
The routines may be working properly on the Jive Forum, but they are not running at all on the email list. I agree with Paul and Dennis. Keep it civil and professional or go find someplace else to "participate". fpsm On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: >> These forums aren'

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread ken mays
As for this whole thread of discussion, the point of Oracle Solaris 10 being non-free seems like a trolling event. Oracle Solaris 10 10/09 (u8) is currently FREE to download. From a business point of view, if Oracle really pulled the plug on the downloads - what does that matter to us?!? I'd hop

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Edward Martinez
Hi, I don't understand why at the actual forums of Solaris 10 OS, I did not find any complaints about Solaris 10 OS not being free anymore, but here at OpenSolaris forums that really pertains only to OpenSolaris OS is full of complaints about Solaris 10. I thinks this is a more appropriate p

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-29 Thread Brian Wilson
So, I'm sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but has anyone asked/ answered the question of getting support and patches running Solaris 10 on ESX on non-Sun hardware? I've got a semi-ranty email out to my Sun reps but haven't heard anything back yet. Thanks in advance, and again, my apologies

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-30 Thread Mike DeMarco
Most of us that run OpenSolaris rely on Solaris 10 also. We live our day to day on Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris. As far as I am concerned they go hand in hand and a major event affecting one of them has ramifications on both. The discussions that go on on this list are not 100% OpenSolaris but are

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