For those interested:
Article:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/1496578/apps-exploit-graphics-cards
Adobe's KB: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404898.html
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For those interested:
Article:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/1496578/apps-exploit-graphics-cards
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Thanks for posting this. Although I'd already known about that feature, I
didn't know that Use for Image Display was slowing
Can something similar be done in the latest LR?
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Thibouillepentaxl...@gmail.com wrote:
For those interested:
Article:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/1496578/apps-exploit-graphics-cards
Adobe's KB: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404898.html
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From the FAQ in the Knowledge Base article referenced below:
Q. Is Photoshop Lightroom GPU accelerated?
A. No.
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:20:27PM -0700, Boris Liberman wrote:
Can something similar be done in the latest LR?
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:50 AM,
Thanks!
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM, John Francisjo...@panix.com wrote:
From the FAQ in the Knowledge Base article referenced below:
Q. Is Photoshop Lightroom GPU accelerated?
A. No.
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:20:27PM -0700, Boris Liberman wrote:
Can something similar be done
just checked, and .docx is
also in the save as drop down list. Pretty easy, really.
Regards, Anthony
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Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, 26 October 2008 4:32 AM
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Subject: Re: PS CS4
I already have the most recent MS Office, so I'm good for now. Every
agency or publication I've ever worked for uses MS Office, and i
want my home system to b fully compatible with that of any employer
or client. I don't believe in swimming against the tide:-).
Paul
Which is
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So few want to swim against the tide.
Sad.
Just because MS is a monopoly doesn't seem like an argument for me to use
someone else's software that makes my life harder. Swimming against the tide
is
by definition difficult,
Bob, just my two bits as a linux-only user for over eight years.
one has to use the software that one is comfortable with. for me,
personally that comfort zone includes software efficiency as well as
an acceptable (for me) ideology. and i am perfectly willing to accept
that your parameters
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Using Microsoft for convenience because it matches what's used at work doesn't
preclude people from also aligning themselves with free software and open
source
for other aspects of their computing.
absolutely. i use windows at
Bob W wrote:
The fact is that much of MS's Office software is superb as far as
functionality and ease of use are concerned.
You're obviously not using the latest version of MS Office!
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Subash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Oberon operation system by contrast, was developed by 2 people in a
couple
of years. When I first acquired a copy it fit onto a 1.4 meg diskette
containing
It's not at all sad. I have to swim against the tide in my work on a
daily basis. Why would I choose to make things difficult for myself
when I don't have to? To punish Microsoft? I'd only be hurting myself.
THAT would be sad.
Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 9:23 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
On
PN Stenquist wrote:
It's not at all sad. I have to swim against the tide in my work on a
daily basis. Why would I choose to make things difficult for myself when
I don't have to? To punish Microsoft? I'd only be hurting myself. THAT
would be sad.
Why do you assume that using Open Office
2008/10/25 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Bob W wrote:
The fact is that much of MS's Office software is superb as far as
functionality and ease of use are concerned.
You're obviously not using the latest version of MS Office!
We have one machine at work with the latest version installed.
If someone sends me a Powerpoint presentation that was made with
Microsoft Office, can I edit it in Open Office? I doubt it. And even
if I could, would the original author be able to open and revise my
edit when I returned it? Even more doubtful. That's why using Open
Office would be
PN Stenquist wrote:
If someone sends me a Powerpoint presentation that was made with
Microsoft Office, can I edit it in Open Office?
Yes.
And even if I could, would the original author be able to open and
revise my edit when I returned it?
Yes.
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I don't get into the level of creativity that Paul Godfrey etc do, so
my CS 2 on the PC is fine.
I did upgrade to LR 2 as i liked the additions to the program.
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:43 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/10/25 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Bob W wrote:
The fact is that much of MS's Office software is superb as far as
functionality and ease of use are concerned.
You're obviously not using the latest version of MS
Well then, okay:-).
On Oct 25, 2008, at 9:13 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
PN Stenquist wrote:
If someone sends me a Powerpoint presentation that was made with
Microsoft Office, can I edit it in Open Office?
Yes.
And even if I could, would the original author be able to open and
revise my
One issue with Office 2007 is that it wants to save in a new, docx
format that is not compatible with older versions of MSOffice. There
are two work arounds...you can be sure the source file is saved as a doc
and not a docx or you can go to MicroSoft to download and install the
Office 2007
2008/10/25 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:43 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/10/25 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Bob W wrote:
The fact is that much of MS's Office software is superb as far as
functionality and ease of use are concerned.
You're
I haven't had any problems reading Excel spreadsheets with OpenOffice
Calc. And since it's FREEWARE, it didn't cost anything (other than a few
minutes time) to give it a try.
I learned to loathe PowerPoint while I was still in the military, but
according to the documentation, the Impress
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:32 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/10/25 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:43 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/10/25 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Bob W wrote:
The fact is that much of MS's Office software is
PN Stenquist wrote:
On Oct 25, 2008, at 9:13 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
PN Stenquist wrote:
If someone sends me a Powerpoint presentation that was made with
Microsoft Office, can I edit it in Open Office?
Yes.
And even if I could, would the original author be able to open and
revise my
2008/10/26 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
To tell you the truth, Microsoft deserve kudos for *trying* something new.
Most companies get complacent with things like this. But the experiment is a
certifiable failure at this point and at the very least they ought to make
the ribbon interface
them up on their offers found no reason the try others
at home.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PS CS4
On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:45 PM, PN Stenquist wrote:
I need MS office. I get Excel
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 08:43:38PM +0800, David Savage wrote:
2008/10/25 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Bob W wrote:
The fact is that much of MS's Office software is superb as far as
functionality and ease of use are concerned.
You're obviously not using the latest version of MS
At work I have the very latest office running under WinXP64. Since I
don't have really much experience with older offices, having Open Office
installed at home for quite some time, I should say that this new
interface is Oll Korrect. I mean, I had no difficulty learning and
adjusting myself to
On 10/25/08, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, there's no reason for you to switch if you've already *paid* for
MS Office! ...until you start getting people sending you files in the *new*
MS Office formats (Office 2007). Then you'll be faced with the choice of
either trying
Scott Loveless wrote:
I haven't used an office suite of any sort for several years. Since
Google introduced Docs, I haven't used a local word processor at all.
Though, I do keep Abiword installed just in case. Gedit and vi see
some use for editing plain text files. Just after OpenOffice
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which is precisely what the Microsoft business model counts on, and
why they teeter on the brink of being a monopoly every single day.
(Actually they are, but they have the best 350 corporate lawyers on
the payroll to steamroller any legal complaints)
So few
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott Loveless wrote:
I haven't used an office suite of any sort for several years. Since
Google introduced Docs, I haven't used a local word processor at all.
Though, I do keep Abiword installed just in case. Gedit and
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At work I have the very latest office running under WinXP64. Since I
don't have really much experience with older offices, having Open Office
installed at home for quite some time, I should say that this new
interface is Oll Korrect. I mean, I had no
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:12:25 -0400, John Sessoms
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
In Excel, I'm used to copying or cutting an existing cell (or range),
selecting a new location and pasting there just by pressing Enter.
Calc doesn't do that, you actually have to use a paste command.
On Oct 25, 2008, at 14:10 , David J Brooks wrote:
Man, am i ever glad i drive a bus now. Turn the key and go to work.
If you have to turn a key, it's not a 'real' bus! :-)
Joseph McAllister
King County Metro Operator for 6 yrs...
From: John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd be willing to bet you couldn't find a single copy of Stunk White
at Microsoft even if you went in armed with a search warrant.
STRUNK White ... sorry 'bout that.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob
W
Sent: Saturday, 25 October 2008 5:27 AM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: PS CS4
It's possible to get a lot of the big name software
On Oct 25, 2008, at 17:25 , John Coyle wrote:
On the other hand, there isn't one piece of pirated software on any
of our
PC's: as a developer myself, I want to be rewarded for the effort I
put into
creating these things, and I see no reason why the major software
manufacturer's shouldn't be
On Oct 24, 2008, at 8:36 AM, John Celio wrote:
Anyone gotten Photoshop CS4 yet? How is it, compared to CS3?
It goes to 4! It's, like, one louder than 3!
I'm still on CS2 at the moment. I need to wade through the million
different packages they have to see if I can get a good deal to
I agree. Adobe has been the backbone of the graphic arts and
advertising business since the early nineties. I can't imagine where
we would have been today without the work Adobe has done. That idea
that no one should have to pay for software is the result of twisted
thinking and hopeless
Obviously, my tongue-in-cheek references were taken a bit too
seriously. My apologies for not adding enough smilies.
On 10/24/08, PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree. Adobe has been the backbone of the graphic arts and advertising
business since the early nineties. I can't imagine
It's been a long long time since I've filled up my hard drives with
LimeWire downloads that I hardly or never used, and I understand the
corporate need to perpetuate.
That being said, I get cranked every time I run into the invisible
wall created by the collusion of hardware and software
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:54:49 -0700
Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most of what I do today I could still be doing in PS 4, Pagemaker 4,
Quicken 2000, and AppleWorks. But none of those will run on current
equipment, or are no longer around nor have any support, no minor
If you just want to keep track of your checkbook and charges, why use
quicken at all? Any simple database program can do that. I do it with
a simple database I made a dozen or more years ago. I've migrated it
through several different DB engines as things changed. It works fine.
Very
The mailman just dropped CS4 Design Suite on my doorstep. I'm looking
forward to giving it a whirl.
I do a lot of work beyond conversion and rendering, so I believe PS is
better suited to my workflow than Lightroom.
Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
If you just want
It's possible to get a lot of the big name software for nothing, or next to
nothing, quite legitimately. I got the entire Office 2003 suite for less than
US$20- under the Home Use Programme which my employer subscribed to. I would
never pay the full price for something like that, and Microsoft
Maybe you should consider moving to a Windows box...we're still running
Quicken 2000 on one of our XP machines. ;}
-p
Joseph McAllister wrote:
The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every 3
years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My Quicken
On Oct 24, 2008, at 12:03 PM, PN Stenquist wrote:
I do a lot of work beyond conversion and rendering, so I believe PS
is better suited to my workflow than Lightroom.
I'm not entirely sure I understand what you meant, Paul. What do you
mean by beyond conversion and rendering? I don't
I just meant that since I can only afford one or the other at the
moment, the nod had to go to CS4. I might like Lightroom as a
conversion and rendering tool. I haven't spent enough time with it to
be certain. But I do know that CS1 doesn't take advantage of the Intel
box speed, I need
Quicken updates come for free if you buy TurboTax DeLuxe.
It's generally been worth updating - Intuit products can
be very touchy about working with software firewalls, NAT
routers, etc. Until the most recent version we had to
disable our firewall and/or use direct dial-up access to
be able to
One way to keep using old software on newer operating systems is to
install a virtual machine onto which you install the older OS and
associated software.
On my Ubuntu Linux installation I've installed Virtual Box in which I
run Windows 2000 and Photoshop 6.
It works well, provided your computer
Bob W. Wrote:
It's possible to get a lot of the big name software for nothing, or
next to
nothing, quite legitimately. and It's also fairly easy to get
things for the student price by enrolling in a
course which gets you a proper student id. and If all that
fails, then there is a
Probably the best idea of them all. I have a license to install
Parallels on my iMac. It's already working on my MacBook. And I have a
borrowed copy of windows. But I've never heard of anyone running Mac
OS 9.2.2 in it, nor do I have the windows versions of Quicken! I do
have a desktop G4
Paul Sorenson wrote:
Maybe you should consider moving to a Windows box...we're still running
Quicken 2000 on one of our XP machines. ;}
Joseph McAllister wrote:
The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every 3
years, as they roll off support for the older
On Oct 24, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
If you just want to keep track of your checkbook and charges, why
use quicken at all? Any simple database program can do that. I do
it with a simple database I made a dozen or more years ago. I've
migrated it through several different
On Oct 24, 2008, at 12:59 PM, PN Stenquist wrote:
I just meant that since I can only afford one or the other at the
moment, the nod had to go to CS4. I might like Lightroom as a
conversion and rendering tool. I haven't spent enough time with it
to be certain. But I do know that CS1
I've been using TurboTax, on a Mac, for at least ten years. These days
I simply download it from the Intuit website. The software gets better
every year, and it makes tax time a breeze, even for someone like me
who has lots of itemized deductions and a schedule C.
Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at
On Oct 24, 2008, at 14:42 , Doug Franklin wrote:
Joseph McAllister wrote:
The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price
every 3 years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My
Quicken 2006 will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and
there is no upgrade
I do quite a bit of compositing, cloning and even some filter effects.
Much more so for my commercial work than for the hobby photography
that I generally show here. I don't know if everything I do can be
accomplished in Lightroom. Perhaps.
I catalog simply by assigning a date and keywords
Wow, never knew you could do this--course I'm no computer whiz. Thanks for
the tip, Brian. Cheers, Christine
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From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: PS CS4
One way
In a book on Lightroom, the author made the claim that Lightroom is not very
good for professional quality sharpening. The recommendation is to do
rendering in Lightroom, then open image in PS for final sharpening. This
surprised me. I'd be interested in knowing what list folks think. The
See, that makes so much sense. My personality is such that I would
bitch to the floor person at Costco for 30 minutes about no standard
version of TurboTax in an attempt to save $15 over an online download
(if it is in fact available in that version for the Mac) based
primarily on the
On 10/24/08, Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, Doug. I just went and read the 'install' directions, and the
'troubleshooting' instructions for GnuCash for OSX, and my eyes crossed and
my head nodded half way through. As Godfrey has chastised me for my Scottish
frugality and
On Oct 24, 2008, at 15:02 , Christine Aguila wrote:
In a book on Lightroom, the author made the claim that Lightroom is
not very good for professional quality sharpening. The
recommendation is to do rendering in Lightroom, then open image in
PS for final sharpening. This surprised me.
Went there. Read the Intel Mac instructions. Seems doable. I'll give
it a go tonight. Do you have phone support for those in PDT zones? :-)
Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time
On Oct 24, 2008, at 15:11 , Scott Loveless wrote:
On 10/24/08, Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Oct 24, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
In a book on Lightroom, the author made the claim that Lightroom is
not very good for professional quality sharpening. The
recommendation is to do rendering in Lightroom, then open image in
PS for final sharpening. This surprised me.
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you just want to keep track of your checkbook and charges, why use
quicken at all? Any simple database program can do that. I do it with
a simple database I made a dozen or more years ago. I've migrated it
through several different DB engines as
On Oct 24, 2008, at 4:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
I've downloaded Open Office from OpenOffice.org as an alternative to
Microsoft Office.
I do have licenses for Office 2003 (I think it is), and could
install that IF I wanted to, but Open Office is FREEWARE, and does
just about everything
I need MS office. I get Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint
presentations from clients and colleagues, and I have to be able to
see them. All of them. I tried a demo version of Apple iWorks for a
while, but it couldn't realistically deal with all MS Office files.
And some word.doc files
PN Stenquist wrote:
I need MS office. I get Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint presentations
from clients and colleagues, and I have to be able to see them. All of
them. I tried a demo version of Apple iWorks for a while, but it
couldn't realistically deal with all MS Office files. And some
!
Thanks again, Godfrey. Cheers, Christine
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: PS CS4 (sharpening)
On Oct 24, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
In a book
I already have the most recent MS Office, so I'm good for now. Every
agency or publication I've ever worked for uses MS Office, and i want
my home system to b fully compatible with that of any employer or
client. I don't believe in swimming against the tide:-).
Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 8:47
On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:45 PM, PN Stenquist wrote:
I need MS office. I get Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint
presentations from clients and colleagues, and I have to be able to
see them. All of them. ... I have no love for Microsoft, but I
don't let personal feelings get in the way of good
On Oct 24, 2008, at 18:01 , PN Stenquist wrote:
I already have the most recent MS Office, so I'm good for now. Every
agency or publication I've ever worked for uses MS Office, and i
want my home system to b fully compatible with that of any employer
or client. I don't believe in swimming
I couldn't agree more. I've been using TurboTax for close to 15 years,
albeit on a Windows box, and, counting myself and family members, may
use it to file as many as 6 returns each year. Each has their own
unique needs including real estate, rental property, investments, Sked C
and it
Anyone gotten Photoshop CS4 yet? How is it, compared to CS3?
John
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, not the extended), is likely worth it.
I'm not sure that I need the new stuff in the PS CS4 Extended package.
What I could really use, however, is the Creative Suite 4 Design
Premium bundle. Upgrade from PS CS2 and Acrobat Pro 8 is going to cost
me a minium of $200 plus $160, and I could really use
, CS2 and CS3 for $200 (for
the CS4 standard package, not the extended), is likely worth it. I'm not
sure that I need the new stuff in the PS CS4 Extended package.
What I could really use, however, is the Creative Suite 4 Design Premium
bundle. Upgrade from PS CS2 and Acrobat Pro 8 is going
On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
One word. Torrent.
Huh?
G
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
One word. Torrent.
Huh?
G
What he means to say is that all those programs are likely available
online now for the sum of $0.0 if you're willing to download the torrent
files and connect to seeds that are
On 10/23/08, Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
One word. Torrent.
Huh?
G
What he means to say is that all those programs are likely available online
now for the sum of $0.0 if you're
I ordered it, but it won't ship for another couple of weeks. At least
that's what I've been told.
Paul
On Oct 23, 2008, at 3:36 PM, John Celio wrote:
Anyone gotten Photoshop CS4 yet? How is it, compared to CS3?
John
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I just this weekend bought the LR 2 upgrade. Given how infrequently I
use my (legal) copy of Photoshop CS3 Extended nowadays I think I'll
give this upgrade a miss.
Cheers,
Dave
2008/10/24 John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Anyone gotten Photoshop CS4 yet? How is it, compared to CS3?
John
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Given the cost of the software and the substantial upgrade cost, I'll
continue to cope with my copy of Photoshop 6 for the foreseeable future,
although I might consider the next version of Elements if it has true 16
bit editing.
Cheers
Brian
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: PS CS4
Given the cost of the software and the substantial upgrade cost, I'll
continue to cope with my copy of Photoshop 6 for the foreseeable future,
although I might consider the next version of Elements if it has true 16
bit
On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
What he means to say is that all those programs are likely
available online
now for the sum of $0.0 if you're willing to download the torrent
files and
connect to seeds that are certainly out there on the world wide web
providing the
On 10/23/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
What he means to say is that all those programs are likely available
online
now for the sum of $0.0 if you're willing to download the torrent files
and
connect to seeds that
On Oct 23, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
Stealing is stealing. You can't say that Microsoft and Adobe are
evil if
you are a thief.
And that's exactly why I don't use their software anymore. No more
money from me.
Good.
It would be better not to promulgate that others consider
was the question I asked. Haven't
upgraded yet, but probably will. Cheers, Christine
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: PS CS4
Given the cost
Geeze, where have I been? Didn't even know there was PSE 7 coming out.
Anyway, sounds like maybe I only got half the truth. Good you pointed this
out. Yes, when you open E5 from Lightroom, you have to convert to 8 bit to
do any cloning, which is really the only thing I use E5 for now. I'm
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