Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-20 Thread Cotty
On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Well, if I get an e-mail wherein the subject line thanks me for buying them >lunch, I ~know~ it's gotta be fake!! So Frank is it true that you have the deepest pockets and the shortest arms east of the Rockies? ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O)

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-20 Thread Cotty
On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >>Oh my GOD Robert, I just opened a PIF file - and guess what happened ?!?!? >> >> >> >> >>Cheers, >> Cotty > > > >I don't know :o) > >You won a million dollars? I wish. What happened? Nothing. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Pla

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-20 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 20.01.04 0:08, Cotty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Oh my GOD Robert, I just opened a PIF file - and guess what happened ?!?!? Nothing? ;-) Sometimes it is really good to be different :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Not being a PC person, I visited Google. >They said, in defining a ".pif" file: > > Short for Program InFormation file, a type of file that > holds information about how Windows should run a > non-Windows application. For example, a PIF fi

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-19 Thread mapson
Since this is a Windows "how to work" file, why is it necessarily associated with virii? I know I'm missing something here, but it has always seemed to me that a .pif file, by itself, is not an indicator of the presence of a virus. Are .pif files carriers of viruses? What? keith Not being a virolo

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-19 Thread Keith Whaley
Not being a PC person, I visited Google. They said, in defining a ".pif" file: Short for Program InFormation file, a type of file that holds information about how Windows should run a non-Windows application. For example, a PIF file can contain instructions for exec

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-19 Thread mapson
Oh my GOD Robert, I just opened a PIF file - and guess what happened ?!?!? Cheers, Cotty I don't know :o) You won a million dollars? I do not claim that you can avoid ALL viruses but often they follow a pattern. PIFs are good give-away it might be a virus. Another one is a general refer

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-19 Thread Jostein
ubject: Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS" > Patrick White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > FYI, this message had a virus attached (well, that's _my_ interpretation of > >having a file named "031013-2141.cl5.pif" attached means :-) >

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >At 02:08 PM 19/01/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>Patrick White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > >> > FYI, this message had a virus attached (well, that's _my_ >> interpretation of >> >having a file named "031013-2141.cl5.pif" attached means :-) > > > >I

Vs: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-19 Thread Raimo Korhonen
iesti- Lähettäjä: mapson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 19. tammikuuta 2004 22:45 Aihe: Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS" >At 02:08 PM 19/01/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>Patrick White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-19 Thread mapson
At 02:08 PM 19/01/2004 -0500, you wrote: Patrick White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FYI, this message had a virus attached (well, that's _my_ interpretation of >having a file named "031013-2141.cl5.pif" attached means :-) If anyone opens a PIF file they asked for it! (*)o(*)

VIRUS: "Re: Pentax needs USM and IS"

2004-01-19 Thread Patrick White
FYI, this message had a virus attached (well, that's _my_ interpretation of having a file named "031013-2141.cl5.pif" attached means :-) later, patbob On Monday 19 January 2004 09:21 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi > Roland is right. I have just the same opinion. There is time when so

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-19 Thread Feroze Kistan
p; S) Newbies are very fascinated with these new-fangled slr thingies, end result a new photographer. Feroze - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS > I hope you're

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-19 Thread Feroze Kistan
It took me 8 weeks to get one, and that was direct from the distributor. Feroze - Original Message - From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: RE: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

RE: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-19 Thread David Chang-Sang
D] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS I think the MZ-S is very inexpensive for its construction quality and capabilities. Lists of specifications are no way to choose a camera. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-19 Thread Mark Roberts
"Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think one difference between the EOS-3 and MZ-S that should be considered >is the external build quality. The MZ-S is quite solid as far as newer >cameras go and the EOS-3 feels like plastic junk, I have shot both of these >cameras and there is no compari

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Alan Chan
After which, they produced the rest of the MZ/ZX line looking like, not quite Rebel clones but at least Rebel cousins. The MZ-5 is significant not because its a flagship or it looked special, but the fact that it put Pentax back into the game again after years of struggle with the Z/PZ series (a

RE: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread David Chang-Sang
stated that this year would be different; so far, it has been - let's hope that it continues and Pentax will prove me, and all the others out there hoping for something special, wrong. Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 20

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Keith Whaley
Kenneth Waller wrote: > > Huh? > Kenneth Waller > - Original Message - > From: "David Chang-Sang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:57 PM > Subject: RE: Pentax needs USM and IS > > > Pe

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Kenneth Waller
Huh? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "David Chang-Sang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: RE: Pentax needs USM and IS > Pentax's current "flagship" - MZ-S - is, even by th

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Herb Chong
i wasn't kidding. Herb - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 15:34 Subject: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS > > - Original Message ----- > Subject: Re: Pentax need

RE: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread Greene
--- Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob brings up a good point abou the frequency of USM > lenses, now how are these suppposed to be good for > wild life if your running around the forest with the > equivalent of a dog whislte making a racket? > He just may have been talking about his own Ro

Brendan's Ears (Was:Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS))

2003-03-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS) This point was discussed years ago by Canon nature and wildlife shooters on photo.net and there was no problem with ultra sonic lens noise. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Rob brings up a good point abou the frequency of USM

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
This point was discussed years ago by Canon nature and wildlife shooters on photo.net and there was no problem with ultra sonic lens noise. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob brings up a good point abou the frequency of USM lenses, now how are these suppposed to be good for wild life if your runni

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Boz, I am sorry I am a little late with reply. It seems that there were no virus on my computer after all, but hotpop is indeed behaving strangely. Anyway, I am sorry to see you go. With all honesty I realize that you might as well disappear from PDML, since this is mainly technical list. I h

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Pentxuser
Bruce when was the last time you saw a Sport Illustrated photographer using a Pentax. Never will. That's my point. Pentax is not trying to compete in that market. It's competing for amateurs and does a fine job with it If you want to shoot with the big boys go and get a big boy camera. My ca

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Herb Chong
the fact that most members here know how to focus a camera without its help puts us well above average. Herb - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:18 Subject: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS > Herb: with

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Caveman
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: The PUG? Try Sports Illustrated, not a gallery of hobbyists. Whoahaaa. All the skill involved there can be resumed to keeping the subject in the viewfinder and the shutter release button pressed down. A movie camera would be much more appropriate. Why don't we take some

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Pentxuser
Herb: with all due respect, and I know I'm going to get lambasted with this comment. I have to disagree here. I would not say that PUG represents a group significantly above average. We would all like to think we are, and if we tell ourselves that enough we begin to believe it. But I don't buy i

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Pentxuser
I think it's important to remember that it is, IN MOST CASES, not different NEEDS but different WANTS. There is a big difference Vic In a message dated 3/18/03 12:03:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Bill, > >Some people are still doing it the same good old fashioned way. But some > >other

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread T Rittenhouse
Hear! Hear! Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS) > >

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread T Rittenhouse
Can't say that I blame you, Boz. Funny thing is most of us on this list are 'serious' photographers. Pentax has pretty much abandoned that segment of the market. That may be a sound marketing decision on their part, but it really means that the enthusiastic Pentax user has been abandoned. Camera c

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
USM and IS are just icing. You seem to think that people sit down with a few spec sheets, measure the length of the feature list and make their decision. I don't think it works that way. After 4 years I still don't have a lens with either (although a AF-S lens would be nice). Still the best mo

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The PUG? Try Sports Illustrated, not a gallery of hobbyists. Stop with the self serving sample group. The shots you can't get with your antiques, somebody else will. They get the shot and the job, you get squat. If you want to be in "qualification limbo" (not bad for.., pretty good considering.

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread Stephen Moore
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:51:33 +0100, Boz wrote: > > Best wishes to all and thanks for all I've learned from you! > To all KMP contributors most sincere thanks! > > Bojidar Dimitrov If I may add my small voice to the chorus, thanks for something that's pulled back many, many veils over the few sh

Re: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread akozak
Hi Roland is right. I have just the same opinion. There is time when someone suddenly discover he is afford/needs to have sth better and also discovers that Pentax does not have USM and IS and that the prices of glass is even higher than Nikon/Canon. So even having MZS one decides to switch to

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread Roland Mabo
From: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:46:39 +0100 The *ist D won't be cheap. It will probably cost slightly more than >the Canon D10. A Pentax rep told me that the estimated price here in >Norway was about 20.000Nkr (~£1700), about twice as much as it needed >to cost in

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 18, 2003 02:58 am, Roland Mabo wrote: > From: Nick Zentena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:12:55 -0500 > > > > Great now define the market. Ask 100 people here and I bet >you'll get > > 101 different answers. Maybe 201. > > Since many are choosing Canon or Nikon beca

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread Pål Jensen
Cameron wrote: The MZ-S was beautiful, but flawed; the *ist D is way too late, and it better be cheap because it's last years' technology, and the *ist has some nice features but is extremely tacky looking. REPLY: Mostly right on. However, the MZ-S was basically the right camera but should ha

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-18 Thread Pål Jensen
Dave wrote: Pentax's current "flagship" - MZ-S - is, even by those on this list, considered a failure. Pentax's last decent model was the MZ-5n IMHO. REPLY: Huh? The MZ-S is described as more sucessful than anticipated in market. It sales aren't huge but if you look at the price the reason why

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS (& MZ-S)

2003-03-18 Thread Rfsindg
I love it. You guys keep talking about how bad the MZ-S is. When you get the price into the $350-400 range, I'm gonna have a new flagship for the price of an LX. ;-) Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >Pentax's current "flagship" - MZ-S - is, even by those on this list, > >conside

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread Camdir
<< Oh yes, I do own a Pentax that I think is beautiful but a bit tacky in design. It's a transparent SF1 with a transparent zoom lens. Everything works on it but I can't take pictures with film because the film would be fogged. The camera and lens is on prominent display in my home. I get

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-18 Thread Chris Stoddart
Jim Apilado wrote: > > How many look at your cameras when you are out? I've had more attention from my 6x7 in the last 4 months than I have had from any other camera in 20 years. Almost invariably if I set up the beast on the tripod some wag pops up with variations of 'Are you taking a photograph

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread jcoyle
- Original Message - From: "David Chang-Sang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: RE: Pentax needs USM and IS > Pal; > > Pentax's current "flagship" - MZ-S - is, even by those o

RE: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
-- -Original Message- -- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:06 AM -- -- >Pentax's current "flagship" - MZ-S - is, even by those on this list, -- >considered a failure. -- -- I think the MZ-S has come a little too late, just like many -- Pentax prod

Re: What I lust for (was Re: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Caveman" Subject: What I lust for (was Re: Pentax needs USM and IS) > > I don't know what Pentax actually needs, and it's not my business to > decide it anyway. But I definitely know that I'm eyeing a Bronica GS-1. > I&#

RE: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Alan Chan
Pentax's current "flagship" - MZ-S - is, even by those on this list, considered a failure. I think the MZ-S has come a little too late, just like many Pentax products in the past. If it had been released 2 years earlier, it might receive a much better welcome. Timing is critical, but Pentax don't

RE: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
Reminds me of going into B&H the last few times I was in NYC and having everyone wanting to try out the LX or two I was carrying ;-) Cesar Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:33 PM -- -- -- Jim Apil

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Herb Chong
the PUG isn't remotely close to being representative. it represents a level of technical expertise significantly above average. Herb - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 23:45 Subject: Re: Pentax needs

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Caveman
In a message dated 3/17/03 1:18:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All of this talk about how important USM, IS, FPS makes me wonder how in the hell did anybody ever take a decent photograph with a 620 folder, 35mm rangefinder or even a Speed Graphic. Bill, Some people are still doing it the same g

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pentxuser
Oh come on Bruce. That's way overboard. Sure there are pictures taken today with modern autofocus lenses that could not be taken today, but i would guess that 80 per cent of the pictures taken today are capable of being shot with older equipment. The greatest development since then is the speed

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Stan Halpin
on 3/17/03 6:57 PM, David Chang-Sang at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Pentax's current "flagship" - MZ-S - is, even by those on this list, > considered a failure. > Pentax's last decent model was the MZ-5n IMHO. Failure? Huh? It is a very solid, easy to use, accurate metering, fast focusing, etc e

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pentxuser
Exactly my point Bill Vic In a message dated 3/17/03 1:18:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >All of this talk about how important USM, IS, FPS makes me wonder how in >the > >hell did anybody ever take a decent photograph with a 620 folder, 35mm > >rangefinder or even a Speed Graphic. Bells and w

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
Jim Apilado wrote: > > How many look at your cameras when you are out? I've had numerous inquiries regarding my 6x7. People are intrigued by the fact that it looks like an SLR on steroids. But my recently acquired Leica IIIf draws a crowd. I've only been using it for a week, but people frequen

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Fine whatever the reason. If you want high tech/high end you buy from someone other than Pentax. Pentax spent a lot of years successfully creating the perception among buyers that they aren't a first line SLR maker. No matter what sort of hand waving, smoke and mirrors exercise you want to go t

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread John Mustarde
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:51:33 +0100, you wrote: >Best wishes to all and thanks for all I've learned from you! >To all KMP contributors most sincere thanks! > >Bojidar Dimitrov Many thanks for the KMP site, Boz. I've enjoyed it many times. I bought a Nikon D100 DSLR, intending to hold onto my Pent

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Mar 2003 at 20:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks Fred: You are exactly right. I was not in any way suggesting Boj was lazy > ... I was, in fact, trying to convince him not to leave Pentax for the bells and > whistles that Canon and Nikon offer. I doubt Boz's move is about "bells and whi

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Jim Apilado
; Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:13:07 -0800 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS) > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:13:17 -0500 > > It is indeed a sad day for Pentax a

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Mark Roberts
"David Chang-Sang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Pentax's current "flagship" - MZ-S - is, even by those on this list, >considered a failure. What??? Mark Roberts MZ-S owner

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Pentxuser
Thanks Fred: You are exactly right. I was not in any way suggesting Boj was lazy ... I was, in fact, trying to convince him not to leave Pentax for the bells and whistles that Canon and Nikon offer. As photographers, collectors and gadget freaks (which most of us are including myself) I think it

RE: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread David Chang-Sang
nt there will be a time, as I'm sure you're well aware, when they'll be turned away by Pentax themselves because they no longer "support" that equipment (i.e. LX for example) no matter how close to "pro grade" it used to be. Dave -----Original Message- From: P

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Galen Rowell is unfortunately dead. He used the N80, and previously the N60, for their very light weight for rock/mountain climbing. It's a rather special use, and I wouldn't draw general conclusions from it. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure this may be true generally. However Galen Rowell aways

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote: I have no idea why people think that a company 1/10 the size of Canon would have the same R&D budget as Canon. REPLY: Ideas are like beards. Men doesn't have them until they grow up. Incidentally, didn't you say the same thing about a Pentax DSLR? That they would never make one

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
They took different pictures. You couldn't create the images with the old gear that you can with the new. If you like the 1942 look, fine. Not everyone does. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of this talk about how important USM, IS, FPS makes me wonder how in the hell did anybody ever take a dec

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
For a lot of types of photography, it may not make you a better photographer, but you will get better photographs. Most of this misty-eyed, romantic, manual drivel comes from people with little of no experience using current high-end equipment. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want the lates

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 17, 2003 01:46 pm, Roland Mabo wrote: > > Pentax must supply what the market demands. Great now define the market. Ask 100 people here and I bet you'll get 101 different answers. Maybe 201. Nick

Re: What I lust for (was Re: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 17, 2003 11:17 am, Caveman wrote: > Nick Zentena wrote: > > Pentax needs something like the Mamiya 645e. People are buying into the > > 645e who would never have looked at Mamiya higher priced models. > > I don't know what Pentax actually needs, and it's not my business to > decide it

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Roland wrote: I understand your decision - but I feel that Pentax are moving towards USM and IS. And I believe that the *ist D has support for this technology. But, the question is always - how long will it take? New bodies and lenses with USM and IS. I believe that some might be released this

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Dave wrote: Pentax's target market in 35mm SLR has, I believe, always been amateur or entry level. REPLY: Canon target market have also always been entry level. They have in fact dominated this segment for 25 years. The wast majority of all Nikon and Canon gear sold is entry level. DAVE: This

RE: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Len Paris
Boz, I want to thank you for all of the effort that you put into the KMP. It's a really great resource. I hope that, if you decide to stop maintaining it, you'll consider finding another serious "Pentax head" to take over the maintenance. If you make the switch to Canon completely, perhaps you'l

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Peter Jansen
Bruce wrote: "If you spent a > couple of months using a F100 and N80, you would > know why N80's aren't > used as backups to F100's. Backup bodies are: > another F100, or the > photographers old, N90, F3 or FM2n." Sure this may be true generally. However Galen Rowell aways like taking his N8

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Peter Jansen
Bruce wrote: " Buy the equipment/technology you need from whoever > sells it. Companies > do not look after you; you don't worry about > companies. Vote with your > dollars, it's the only thing companies understand." Yup this is true. There have been many a Nikon users who have switched or at t

What I lust for (was Re: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Butch Black
I don't know what Pentax actually needs, and it's not my business to decide it anyway. But I definitely know that I'm eyeing a Bronica GS-1. I'm pretty much sure that the 6x7 format will let me get much better enlargements than 35mm with USM, IS, VR, SW and whatnot. And lots of fun. Just make sure

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
From: Cameron Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:13:07 -0800 the *ist D is way too late, and it better be cheap because it's last years' technology "last years' technology"? Why are you saying that? What's "last year" in it? We haven't seen the complete specification yet, but from

RE: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread zoomshot
Hi Boz, Any system is not the be all and end all, just like with many other things, when you feel it doesn't perform then you are free to change. What is more important is that you are still a photographer. Many thanks for the KMP site, which has given me and many others an invaluable source of

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Cameron Hood
ctional though it may be. Best wishes to him from a long time (since '96) PDML member. Cameron Hood On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 06:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:51:33 +0100 From: Bojidar Dimitrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Go

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Caveman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want the latest and greatest USM, IS etc, go out and get it, but it really won't make you a better photographer. Boz clearly stated that he is "a technical head more than an artist", and I can understand his reasoning. It's his money, and he's free to spend it as

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Ryan wrote: So what? If you're not Canon, just give up? That doesn't sound like a better plan. Reply: So what what? I didn't suggest rolling over and play dead. I suggested that it was going to be difficult and more than just the products are needed. Pentax is suffering in the "image" departme

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Paul wrote_ Do you know something about Pentax future that we don't? Note: This is an honest question. REPLY: The honest answer is that I don't know what you know so I cannot answer the question honestly. Anyway, I don't pretend to know anything about the future. However, it is possible to ext

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Greene
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Bojidar: Interesting approach and conclusion. I can > see your reasons for > leaving... But don't ever forget that it is the > photographs that make the > difference not the camera, not even really the > lenses. If you want the latest > and greatest USM, IS etc, g

What I lust for (was Re: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Caveman
Nick Zentena wrote: Pentax needs something like the Mamiya 645e. People are buying into the 645e who would never have looked at Mamiya higher priced models. I don't know what Pentax actually needs, and it's not my business to decide it anyway. But I definitely know that I'm eyeing a Bronica GS-

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Pentxuser
Bojidar: Interesting approach and conclusion. I can see your reasons for leaving... But don't ever forget that it is the photographs that make the difference not the camera, not even really the lenses. If you want the latest and greatest USM, IS etc, go out and get it, but it really won't make y

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 17, 2003 09:15 am, Roland Mabo wrote: > "enthusiastic amateurs" as Pentax calls it. > This is not a bad thing, but eventually - amateurs wants more than the el > cheapo plastic le chique consumer zooms, they start to explore new areas of > photography. They discover macrophotography and t

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
Hi Bojidar, I understand your decision - but I feel that Pentax are moving towards USM and IS. And I believe that the *ist D has support for this technology. But, the question is always - how long will it take? New bodies and lenses with USM and IS. I believe that some might be released this fal

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:49:34 -0500 I think Bruce has a point here (and no, it's not on his head)... We have to remember, while we, loyal Pentax users, would love to see >the brand grow and flourish, Pentax's target market in 35mm SLR has, I >believ

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Feroze Kistan
as > 2nd bodies. So, Pentax does not have to do a F5 or EOS 1. > > Best wishes, > Roland > > >From: Bruce Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS > >Date: Mon, 17 M

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 14:51 17.3.2003 +0100, Bojidar Dimitrov wrote: >... I bought an EOS 30 (Elan 7e) and the top-rated lenses EF >70-200/4 USM L and 28-105/3.5-4.5 USM. What can I say, I wasn't feeling >sick anymore. USM may be seen just as a gimmick by some on this list, >but USM lenses have full-time manual a

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The only time pros "buy" these cameras is when their parts are used in DSLRs. The #1 concern of muost pros is reliability, and no matter how well mid range consumer cameras work they don't have a very solid feel, and pros don't trust them. The EOS 3 and F100 are sold by their makers as pro came

Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Bojidar Dimitrov
Hi Roland, hi all, Roland Mabo wrote: > > Choosing SLR, is choosing a system. Those who wish to use the SLR > primarly for p&s photography doesn't bother, but those who are > serious about learning photography - who sees photography as an > art, as a hobby or as an income - thinks about SLR as a

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
inal Message: - From: Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:20:02 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS USM and IS are not only for pro's. But speaking of pro's, I have seen many pro's with EOS 3 and F100. They're

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Buy the equipment/technology you need from whoever sells it. Companies do not look after you; you don't worry about companies. Vote with your dollars, it's the only thing companies understand. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI So what dou you suggest? Alek

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
EOS 1. Best wishes, Roland From: Bruce Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:44:50 -0500 Pentax abandoned this segment so long ago that no one thinks of Pentax when they look for high end/h

Re: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread akozak
HI So what dou you suggest? Alek Użytkownik Bruce Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał: >Pentax abandoned this segment so long ago that no one thinks of Pentax >when they look for high end/high tech cameras. It would take years of >work (that Pentax was never willing to do) to change the per

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Pentax abandoned this segment so long ago that no one thinks of Pentax when they look for high end/high tech cameras. It would take years of work (that Pentax was never willing to do) to change the perception of the brand. Most people who are fans of taking pictures, rather than camera brands,

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-16 Thread Paul Eriksson
Pal, Do you know something about Pentax future that we don't? Note: This is an honest question. Actually, the Dynaxx 7 show how dangerous this market is. According to the Wall Street Journal (or was it Finacial Times?), Minolta grossly overestimated the sales of this camera. They anticipated a s

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-16 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Pål Jensen wrote: Actually, the Dynaxx 7 show how dangerous this market is. According to the Wall Street Journal (or was it Finacial Times?), Minolta grossly overestimated the sales of this camera. They anticipated a sale of 60.000 units a month (quite possible not far from the number achieved by

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-16 Thread Pål Jensen
Actually, the Dynaxx 7 show how dangerous this market is. According to the Wall Street Journal (or was it Finacial Times?), Minolta grossly overestimated the sales of this camera. They anticipated a sale of 60.000 units a month (quite possible not far from the number achieved by the Minolta 700

Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-16 Thread Roland Mabo
Pentax must release USM and IS technology, because... Choosing SLR, is choosing a system. Those who wish to use the SLR primarly for p&s photography doesn't bother, but those who are serious about learning photography - who sees photography as an art, as a hobby or as an income - thinks about S