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Subject: OT: Win: Starting a windows
How about WAG for win admin group?
I cringe every time I see the name microslop
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I don't know if I have anything to offer, however I open do have Win
questions. I have both Win and Linux in my home office. The combo serves me
well. Please no flames.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Jared Shapiro ja...@infinitysol.com wrote:
From: Jared
The combo servers many of us well. For a lot of us we are in a windows
dominate work place and are doing our best to intergrate linux. This is why
I wanted to start a windows group for people like us. If I get about 5 more
people I will start the group and we can start a windows admin recruitment
Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we should
do it right back to them. Apple products are overpriced and overpromoted
anyway. They are a California based company but they certainly do most of
their work overseas. The way things are currently going the outsourcing
Exactly. That's why I'm boycotting all GM products. GM is in the same
state as Ford and Ford assembles quite a few of their cars in Mexico.
Mexico, as we all know, objects to the new AZ immigration law.
On 05/17/2010 12:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
Clearly they are doing it for symbolic
I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this
on?
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
To: Main PLUG discussion
well outsourcing is viable if the dollar has overwhelming purchasing power
in the target country. This could change sooner rather than later.
-jmz
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base
Joshua Zeidner wrote:
Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we
should do it right back to them.
Does anyone else find this ludicrous?
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I do. So far i find it petty and silly, because so much of their core
is Dependant on AZ resources and companies. and responding in knid
would be the same..
My apple boycott has nothing to do with LA/Cali being silly and petty
and everything to do with the fact that apple keeps doing things that
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote:
I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this
on?
earlier, Joshua Zeidner:
Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we
Sign me up I have to work with Linux at one job and Windows at the other
both would serve me great so let's do this.
Brian
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Honestly OS's are tools you use the one that best suits your needs. I love
linux for allot fo things
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I do. So far i find it petty and silly, because so much of their core
is Dependant on AZ resources and companies. and responding in knid
would be the same..
My apple boycott has nothing to do with LA/Cali being silly and
I used the c-cleaner on my wife's computer. Her computer was almost not
usable. I was going to put more RAM in it. Now it is fine. What a great tool!
Keith Smith
--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote:
From: Bryan O'Neal
Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation? Wouldn't that help?
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:
From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com
Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
To: Main PLUG discussion list
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 15:27, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote:
I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this
on?
earlier, Joshua Zeidner:
I agree with most of what you say below, but I think here lies the wishful
thinking. This thing is not sustainable even for a few years more.
California is *about to default on its debt*... if you think this is the
time to sit back and admire your 401k statement, think again.
But you're
In a deflation scenario, the dollar would buy a lot of code, but it would
also bankrupt just about anyone with a mortgage or any other kind of debt.
Remember deflated dollars are harder to come by.
-jmz
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On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think if taxes were reduced by 25% or even 50% we would see deflation. We
need to deflate.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
To:
you might see some kind of short term deflation, but any substantial
deflation would break us. Any time you have debt, then deflation makes that
debt harder to pay. Not only would it be tragic for Americans on a personal
level, but on a state and federal level it would be equally disastrous.
On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote:
Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation? Wouldn't that help?
herrold, earlier:
This looks like wishful thinking. The outsourcing/offshoring
genie is out of the bottle, and nothing is going to put it back
Deflation relative to what? Gold? The
We are definitely in a pickle. Maybe it is not as pure as just this simple one
item however if my tax burden was reduced by 25% then I would be able to live
on 25% less. Isn't that a deflation?
The national debt is a real problem. We need to get control of our country and
where it is going!
So what would you do if you were in charge?
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:
From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com
Subject: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
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On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote:
I think if taxes were reduced by 25% or even 50% we would
see deflation. We need to deflate.
If one reduces taxes (I assume here, you mean the net
effective Federla ones), the federal deficit goes up faster,
and the feds need to borrow more to fund
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:16 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote:
Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation? Wouldn't that help?
herrold, earlier:
This looks like wishful thinking. The outsourcing/offshoring
genie is out of the
Thats not really deflation... you have to consider purchasing power
overseas, etc. which is a function of money supply, interest rates, and
other factors. That's just reducing size of government, which I'm in favor
of. Real deflation is simply not possible. I think we bought a one way
ticket
On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote:
So what would you do if you were in charge?
Negative agenda don't resonate with voters, so these need to
be 'dressed up' as positives, but I wont sugar coat it here
Not suggest that protectionism (here, a boycott) is anything
but a distorion of a
BTW, everyone there is going to be a big rally on June 5th ( also another
on the 12th) at the AZ Capitol.
http://www.phoenixrally.com/
http://www.phoenixrally.com/ It is reported that there will be over 10,000
people there.
-jmz
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:34 PM, R P Herrold
I was not taking into consideration our national debt. If we did not have that
and we could shrink government by 50% then we could live on 25% less.
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:
From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com
I'm thinking it is. If I need $30 an hour to live and I am now, through
reduced taxes, able to make it on $22.50 an hour isn't that deflation? I
know that is a far cry from the $5/hr Indian programmer, however all things
considered maybe that is all it takes.
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 16:24 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
I think thats why they made the media $h!tstorm. It poses a huge
threat to them, because the fact is, removing illegals is going to be
highly beneficial to our local economy. It's much better to be
employing tax paying American
Okay, I agree. I would add volumes of more granular rules. For starters I
would remove the special retirement and health care for our congress. Move
them to an HMO and 401k. Add a recall system and a requirement that they meet
with the people multiple times a year and with the state
I would not say Sheriff Joe is a clown. He is dealing with an area that has
been reported to the the kidnap capital of the world. Most of those being
kidnapped are illegals. Some are tortured and murdered. Our Sheriff has a
touch job. If more commanders of law departments were like him we
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:26 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I would not say Sheriff Joe is a clown. He is dealing with an area that
has been reported to the the kidnap capital of the world. Most of those
being kidnapped are illegals. Some are tortured and murdered. Our
This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have
ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic.
http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the
nine years I've lived in Arizona. I hope everyone on this list will
forward this web address to everybody
I would urge EVERYONE, even if you're in the outer realms of Arizona
(probably means even more to you then) to come to this. I spoke to some
organizers and they are busing in people from other states. The whole
country is coming to this thing. When is the last time you've even seen
your state
It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really have anything to do with
Linux anymore.
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From: j...@actionline.com
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:32:56
To: Main PLUG discussion
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 00:40 +, huerta...@gmail.com wrote:
It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really have anything to do with
Linux anymore.
it never did.
It does however illustrate the perceptual problem that people living
elsewhere have with Arizona.
Craig
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This
this is coming from someone who stated that he does not find the actions
of this mob to be objectionable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEmez3J4nIwfeature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEmez3J4nIwfeature=related -jmz
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:40 PM, huerta...@gmail.com
Yes sign the petition. However Washington is not listening. I have to drive
45 minutes to get to the capital and I will be at the rally. If you care be
there!
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com wrote:
From:
And they reported there were 4000 people there. I was there and I think it was
500 - 1000 people in protest of HB1070 the night Al Sharpton came to Phoenix.
If we truly get 10,000 people on the 5th that will be history. History is
being made in your backyard. We are one of the most
Give us more detail. In your opinion, what is the perceptual problem that
others have and how does this thread illustrate that perceptual problem?
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
From: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com
people living elsewhere don't have a perceptual problem with Arizona.
Last time I checked over 65% of the country is in total support of us. You
need to stop watching the idiot box.
-jmz
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at
Spouting broken logic is something I can tolerate, but putting words
in my mouth is something that I won't. As a libertarian, I don't like
mob mentalities in general is something I am very much against,
especially when it leads to violence. I said specifically that I was
against laws that are
and at least half of the people at the Sharpton rally were
professional protesters and organizers who certainly were not from here.
They told me that Arizona is really part of Mexico and I am standing on
their land. I kid you not, they not only believe this, but they actually
preach this
David, I met Andrea Garcia at the rally, she seemed very concerned about
my privacy rights. She assured me that shes a conservative, but shes 'new
to the political scene'. What a great time to start your conservative
activism and working hard to protect the privacy of the people who are
The Tucson Unified School District is teaching La Raza classes and they teach
this is AZLAN and this part of the US was stolen from Mexico. If you do not
believe me Google both.
I saw this type of festering mess in Cochise County in 1981 and 1982 when a
group of radicals moved into Miracle
On May 17, 2010, at 5:32 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have
ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic.
http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the
nine years I've lived in Arizona. I hope
http://huertanix.tumblr.com wrote:
Ubsubscried,
What does Ubsubscried mean?
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On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:08 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
http://huertanix.tumblr.com wrote:
Ubsubscried,
What does Ubsubscried mean?
It means: I'm going to throw a hissy fit if anyone calls illegal aliens
what they are.
-jmz
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On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 19:12 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:08 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
http://huertanix.tumblr.com wrote:
Ubsubscried,
What does Ubsubscried mean?
It
For what it is worth we value you on the list Craig, David, anyone else who is
ready to leave. I have plans for a website and I'll send a link. I cannot say
that I will not from time to time join in on the political bantering though.
I think this thread might be dead.
I joined this list recently to see about participating more with PLUG. Is
this really what a Linux-oriented mailing list is about? My mailbox as never
been so full of crap.
What's the usual ratio of rabid howling to actual technical discussion?
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Craig White
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 19:57, Russell Deneault
russell.denea...@gmail.comwrote:
I joined this list recently to see about participating more with PLUG. Is
this really what a Linux-oriented mailing list is about? My mailbox as never
been so full of crap.
What's the usual ratio of rabid
Well... we did steal it from Mexico. In a style that is reminiscent of the
Romans but is still distinctly American. In truth it is an awesome tail of
we want it, we can make claim for it, we can take it, and we are so cool the
rest of the world will demand you apologize to us for making us take it
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On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 20:12, Bryan O'Neal
bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote:
Well... we did steal it from Mexico. In a style that is reminiscent of the
Romans but is still distinctly American. In truth it is an awesome tail of
we want it, we can make claim for it, we can take it,
Sign me I'll join your new group.
Mike
On 05/17/2010 08:20 AM, Jared Shapiro wrote:
Sign me up for the MAUG ! js
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On 05/17/2010 07:57 PM, Russell Deneault wrote:
I joined this list recently to see about participating more with PLUG.
Is this really what a Linux-oriented mailing list is about? My mailbox
as never been so full of crap.
What's the usual ratio of rabid howling to actual technical discussion?
Tuna,
We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux
developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just because
some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we
terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject. Of course
Did you not even read you cited references? It is more like if I
called your mama fat beat you up and then drove off down the street in
your car after tossing you a few bucks and a pick of your naked sister
out the window onto your limp body and then when the cops showed up
made you say thank you
Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican.
Yes, a personal attack. Just as the comment I'm referring to is.
David
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
--Darth Vader
On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
Tuna,
We were discussing macro
To the rest,
you're trying to tell me a few emails in your inbox is so absolutely
painful you're going to throw a fit or something?
no, you just don't like what is being said... but guess what- this
issue is now front and center and as far as I'm concerned there is no
controversy
David,
Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La Raza and MEChA
right now?
-jmz
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, David da...@damnetwork.net wrote:
Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican.
Yes, a personal attack. Just as the comment I'm
Why? Serious inquiry. From my brief reading, they don't do anything many
other political groups do.
David
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
--Darth Vader
On May 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
David,
Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La
I am planning to build a dual boot workstation. It will a 64bit computer
with Windows 7 pro but I have yet to select a linux distro.
I am open to any suggestions. Which linux distro would you use. My only
requirement is that it further my linux education.
I am willing to try any Linux Distro in
I'm linux only at home, but at work that's not the case. I am also always
willing to learn, so if you kick this off please throw me an invite.
from my DROID
On May 17, 2010 9:23 PM, mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote:
Sign me I'll join your new group.
Mike
On 05/17/2010 08:20 AM,
Flame wars? Really? Did you all read that linux magazine article about how
the editor thinks they are enjoyable reads?
from my DROID
On May 17, 2010 9:41 PM, Bryan Oapos;Neal
bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote:
Did you not even read you cited references? It is more like if I
called
Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Mon May 17 21:37:56 -0700 2010:
Tuna,
We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux
developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just because
some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not
@tuna thank you for the art! I'm deffinately going to use it. Probably the
best part of this thread.
from my DROID
On May 17, 2010 8:33 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote:
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Will you condemn and denounce them? simple question. We're not
comparing to other groups.
-jmz
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:56 PM, David da...@damnetwork.net wrote:
Why? Serious inquiry. From my brief reading, they don't do anything many
other political groups do.
David
I find
Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Mon May 17 21:44:38 -0700 2010:
To the rest,
you're trying to tell me a few emails in your inbox is so absolutely
painful you're going to throw a fit or something?
At the time of writing, this thread is 67 messages long. That's more than a
I recommend giving opensuse, ubuntu, and fedora a try. Any of those will be
a great start. If you want to try a server, I'd go with centos since its
exactly like rhel.
If you have any questions feel free to contact me off list.
from my DROID
On May 17, 2010 9:58 PM, mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net
I can respect that Tuna, but keep in mind that people say politically
charged things all the time here without problem. It's when we arrive at
loaded topics like illegal aliens that suddenly registers as 'trolling'.
The fact is this issue effects us all, even as developers or Linux users,
and
And I asked why. An even simpler question to answer, it would seem.
David
I find your lack of faith disturbing
--Darth Vader
On May 17, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote:
Will you condemn and denounce them? simple question. We're not comparing
to other
Will do ;)
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Tim Noeding tim.noed...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm linux only at home, but at work that's not the case. I am also always
willing to learn, so if you kick this off please throw me an invite.
from my DROID
On May 17, 2010 9:23 PM, mike Enriquez
you either support their politics or you don't. I'm sure I'm not the
only one who will assume that you do support them if you fail to provide a
decisive answer to the question.
-jmz
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:21 PM, David da...@damnetwork.net wrote:
And I asked why. An even simpler
Indeed I did ;)
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Tim Noeding tim.noed...@gmail.com wrote:
Flame wars? Really? Did you all read that linux magazine article about how
the editor thinks they are enjoyable reads?
from my DROID
On May 17, 2010 9:41 PM, Bryan Oapos;Neal
I am partial to Debian. I have it running on a a 64bit Dell laptop for about
6 months with no problems. I also run Windows 7 Pro as a virtual machine.
Mark
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:58 PM, mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote:
I am planning to build a dual boot workstation. It will a 64bit
I agree - The SuSE, RedHat (Fedora), and Debian (Ubuntu) branches are
quite different but all very good. See which one you like best.
Personally I loved SuSE at first but could not spend the time to learn
it as well as Fedora or Ubuntu. And, well, Ubuntu just amazes me at
how simple it can be for
Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Mon May 17 22:14:09 -0700 2010:
I can respect that Tuna, but keep in mind that people say politically
charged things all the time here without problem. It's when we arrive at
loaded topics like illegal aliens that suddenly registers as 'trolling'.
I concur.
I also strongly recommend running additional hosts as virtual machines
(either with VirtualBox or VMware Player/Workstation) instead of dual
booting. VMs are much nicer to use.
--
-Eric 'shubes'
Bryan O'Neal wrote:
I agree - The SuSE, RedHat (Fedora), and Debian (Ubuntu) branches
I will agree with that as well. Unless you have a vid capture card or
some other special hardware VM's are a much better option for learning
Linux. And VMWare is supper easy
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:
I concur.
I also strongly recommend running
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote:
I don't see why people who hold perfectly valid opinions with regards
to
illegal aliens should feel alienated *in their own country*. Enough of
this
PC crap.
-jmz
No question the topic swelled to 70+ posts
So far all great suggestions. If you can afford it i would suggest a
new/extra HDD for your Linux install and setting it to be your first
drive (after you install windows with the spare drive unplugged
That way you have a drive you can torture and alter to your hearts
content, and you don't have
If you go with a virtual machine route you can also go with
virtualbox. it has matured well, and has some hardware graphics
acceleration. Also you can get a FOSS version that is cross platform.
so if you decide to switch you can save your vm's and move them.
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