Re:: GRUB failure

2003-08-08 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: This was posted in a precious email. Yes. *previous* -- H| I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-08 Thread Jack Bowling
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:33:26PM -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Otto Haliburton wrote: I have a dual boot system with HDA containing XP PRO and RH9 on HDB GRUB is the boot loader and it is written to the MBR or HDA along with the XP boot loader. I just removed HDB and guess what I got a

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-07 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Jack Bowling wrote: Hi, Ashley. Sorry to butt my head in so late. When you yanked the 2nd drive, did you go into the BIOS and tell it that it no longer exists? This was posted in a precious email. Yes. -- H| I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-06 Thread Otto Haliburton
Last time around. It appears that stage2 never gets called nor stage1_5 (I don't even see how it gets setup to call, but if it were called it definitely prints a message GRUB is loading). Also it appears that there is no error in stage1. So I don't believe that Ashley's problem is with GRUB at

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread brian davison
You haven't gotten the point of the question. GRUB is in the MBR from the install. It has a location to get to the GRUB directory to load stage1 (we know that stage1 and stage2 and all other things are in the GRUB directory look them up yourself). So it locates the GRUB directory to load

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
brian davison wrote: with the additional info from Mr. Kirchner, that the board has scsi interface on board, I wonder if it also has a self modifying portion in its cmos... (I've seen a couple of these) where it keeps track of the scsi devices and bootability. Good theory, except I have

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Otto Haliburton
Otto, you may be missing this point.. Grub isn't loading anything. Bios is loading the MBR from the drive. this mbr.. part of grub is being called stage 1. Yes, this is correct if you read the latter parts of the manual that I published then you know that stage1 is 512 bytes long so

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Otto Haliburton
04, 2003 2:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure Otto, you may be missing this point.. Grub isn't loading anything. Bios is loading the MBR from the drive. this mbr.. part of grub is being called stage 1. Yes, this is correct if you read the latter parts

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ashley M. Kirchner Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 4:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure brian davison wrote: Ashley... try not changing the drive to single... leave it as the Master

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
exactly what has changed. One can only guess otherwise. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Otto Haliburton Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure Hi all, We have all been

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
- set hda's jumper back to master otherwise BIOS complains and won't boot - shoved floppy in, booted up just fine - ran grub-install /dev/hda, no errors - removed floppy, reboot - BIOS finds hda, knows there's no hdb, goes on to boot - black screen, with

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Otto Haliburton
-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Goodwin Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure Otto -I think you are missing the big picture here and Ashley can confirm it or disprove me - 1 - this system had two IDE drives in it at Linux

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
To those of you, who have the theory that GRUB is loading stage1 and can't load stage2 answer the question, how it can find stage1 and then can't find stage2?, when both are in the same GRUB directory. It can not find the GRUB directory period. BIOS loads and starts the

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:26:05 -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: ASHLEY - Your grub issue may be that grub-install may only install an already compiled and loaded version of the MBR phase one piece. YOU MAy have to do a GRUB Make to rebuild the

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
BIOS loads and starts the code from master boot record, but code in MBR fails to load stage1.5 which is located at a fixed position on hda. At that point, GRUB does not even know about directories yet, since it is this later stage that would give native access to ext2 fs. The

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Otto Haliburton
] On Behalf Of Kenneth Goodwin Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure BIOS loads and starts the code from master boot record, but code in MBR fails to load stage1.5 which is located at a fixed position on hda. At that point, GRUB

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
I think this goes too far, and I don't see what it would change. IIRC, it has been mentioned that grub-install works flawlessly when slave drive is available and even when slave drive is removed and system is booted with bootdisk. However, the newly written GRUB then fails in MBR as

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:39:54 -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: what I am saying is that the MBR may be crafted or rebuild by anaconda for the two drive setup disk info. It's grub-install/grub that creates stage1 based on the grub.conf created by

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Kenneth Goodwin wrote: 1 - this system had two IDE drives in it at Linux installation time. A (the MASTER) and B (The Slave), There is no SCSI, NO RAID, no LVM. just a simple plain vanilla LINUX setup. Nope. The machine had ONE drive upon installation. hdb wasn't added till months

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Otto Haliburton
PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:39:54 -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: what I am saying

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Otto Haliburton
, 2003 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure I have a dual boot system with HDA containing XP PRO and RH9 on HDB GRUB is the boot loader and it is written to the MBR or HDA along with the XP boot loader. I just removed HDB and guess what I got a black screen with GRUB

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Kenneth Goodwin wrote: what I am saying is that the MBR may be crafted or rebuild by anaconda for the two drive setup disk info. Anaconda may not be able to go backwards here, may not be able to undo in a return to single drive configuration - most people add hardware, not remove it, it may have

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Otto Haliburton wrote: I have a dual boot system with HDA containing XP PRO and RH9 on HDB GRUB is the boot loader and it is written to the MBR or HDA along with the XP boot loader. I just removed HDB and guess what I got a black screen with GRUB in the left hand corner. Welcome to my

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Otto Haliburton
Welcome to my world. At that point in the game, I doubt it even knows about hdb, to even go find the config file. It read the MBR, and ... fell off the planet. -- You've never said (that I can remember ) what version of RH you are running. If it is an old version then you may not

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Otto Haliburton wrote: You've never said (that I can remember ) what version of RH you are running. 7.3 Also I want to note that it is not a foregone conclusion that it calls stage1_5. So we don't know how far it gets into the process, it seems it would print an error message if it

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:33:26 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Otto Haliburton wrote: I have a dual boot system with HDA containing XP PRO and RH9 on HDB GRUB is the boot loader and it is written to the MBR or HDA along with the XP boot loader.

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure This is why you need to read the manual. GRUB does know the file structures for the OS it boots the kernel for otherwise it chain loads the boot loader for the other OS's. Remember what GRUB stands

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Michael Schwendt wrote: If it doesn't print an error message, it has loaded and jumped into stage2 either with LBA or CHS geometry. I'm curious, where does stage1_5 come into play, if what you're suggesting is that it jumps from stage1 to stage2? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:06:19 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: If it doesn't print an error message, it has loaded and jumped into stage2 either with LBA or CHS geometry. I'm curious, where does stage1_5 come into play, if what you're

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:03:08 -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: Phase 1.5 - Grub OS Loader Part one (OS filesystem selector) Knows? os fs structures That one would give considerably more status/error output, in particular: GRUB loading, please

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
what I am saying is that the MBR may be crafted or rebuild by anaconda for the two drive setup disk info. It's grub-install/grub that creates stage1 based on the grub.conf created by anaconda. Grub-install. which I have not seen admittedly, may be based on a MAKE environment

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Otto Haliburton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:06:19

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
Kenneth Goodwin wrote: 1 - this system had two IDE drives in it at Linux installation time. A (the MASTER) and B (The Slave), There is no SCSI, NO RAID, no LVM. just a simple plain vanilla LINUX setup. Nope. The machine had ONE drive upon installation. hdb wasn't

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure I have a dual boot system with HDA containing XP PRO and RH9 on HDB GRUB is the boot loader and it is written to the MBR or HDA along with the XP boot loader. I just removed HDB and guess what I

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ashley M. Kirchner Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure Kenneth Goodwin wrote: what I am saying is that the MBR may be crafted or rebuild by anaconda for the two drive setup disk

Re: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Kenneth Goodwin wrote: yOU DONT GET A BOOT time MESSAGE ABOUTING CHECKING FOR new hardware? That's kudzu's job, and it's been long removed. (So the answer to your question is no, I don't.) -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:06:19 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: If it doesn't print an error message, it has loaded and jumped into stage2 either with LBA or CHS geometry. I'm curious, where does stage1_5 come into play, if what you're suggesting is that it jumps

RE: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure Kenneth Goodwin wrote: yOU DONT GET A BOOT time MESSAGE ABOUTING CHECKING FOR new hardware? That's kudzu's job, and it's been long removed. (So the answer to your question is no, I don't.) -- W | I

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Kenneth Goodwin wrote: I thought Kudzu was replaced by Anaconda I dont recall seeing it on my RH 8/9 systems but I may have been asleep at the console at the time... You skipped a post somewhere...the machine has 7.3 on it. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:40:53 -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: In stage1 source code, the next stage is called stage2. ;) Now Mike, This is not Fair! You cant keep changing the nomenclature like this, It just confuses my poor little brain...

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
I thought Kudzu was replaced by Anaconda I dont recall seeing it on my RH 8/9 systems but I may have been asleep at the console at the time... You skipped a post somewhere...the machine has 7.3 on it. actually i missed all the early ones and said so. I only jump in when

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Kenneth Goodwin wrote: Oh, BTW I skipped from 7.1 to 8.0 and rapidly from there to 9.0 I went 5.2 - 6.2 - 7.3 - and currently I have only one machine that has 8 on it. None has 9... -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.

Re: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:43:38 -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: I thought Kudzu was replaced by Anaconda I dont recall seeing it on my RH 8/9 systems but I may have been asleep at the console at the time... Kudzu and Anaconda are two separate

RE: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:43:38 -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: I thought Kudzu was replaced by Anaconda I dont recall seeing

RE: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Otto Haliburton
They both are there trust me. In RH8/9 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Goodwin Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure I thought Kudzu was replaced

RE: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure They both are there trust me. In RH8/9 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Goodwin Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:16:46 -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: I dont have the RH 7.2 version of the grub source to look at. Might have 7.1 levels. The MBR is probably the same. If you have source - What does it do after printing out GRUB, everything

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-04 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Michael Schwendt wrote: - is BIOS set to LBA? Last I checked, it was. - does grub-install with --force-lba work? No errors. - does LILO work? Ain't trying that. The server is up and running as it should be, and I can't take it down in the name of science right now. -- W | I

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread brian davison
If this hasn't been tried yet the bioses don't all need/ want the drives to be set any way but master or slave. Ashley... try not changing the drive to single... leave it as the Master. ( as in don't change the jumper when removing the second drive) the addressing of the drive

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread brian davison
Kenneth... I feel Your on the right track here... you may have missed her post where she said nothing was changed and went on to say she did switch jumper positions... this changes same parts of the hardware addressing. so a hard coded go there might not see what a bios call

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
brian davison wrote: Ashley... try not changing the drive to single... leave it as the Master. ( as in don't change the jumper when removing the second drive) No can do. hda has three settings on it: Master, Master w/ Slave, and Slave. Since hdb was installed, it's been set to Master

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Otto Haliburton
Hi all, We have all been ignoring one fact and that is for some reason GRUB is loading part of the boot loader on the second drive. It apparently thinks that linux is on the second drive. A setup where the boot loader is on the MBR of drive A but linux is on drive B so that the boot is

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Otto Haliburton wrote: Ashley while I believe you when you say that there is nothing on drive B would you post a fdisk listing of partitions on drive b. You really don't believe me when I say there's -NOTHING- on the drive, do you? How about this? I've actually killed everything, including

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Otto Haliburton
: Re: GRUB failure Otto Haliburton wrote: Ashley while I believe you when you say that there is nothing on drive B would you post a fdisk listing of partitions on drive b. You really don't believe me when I say there's -NOTHING- on the drive, do you? How about this? I've actually

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Otto Haliburton wrote: What kind of disk contoller do you have and what kind of computer system(manufacturer) is this computer. I can tell you Monday when I get to the office and pull the specs on the board. It's a (custom built) white box containing an Intel board. One IDE bus, and 2

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 04:13:09 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: We have all been ignoring one fact and that is for some reason GRUB is loading part of the boot loader on the second drive. Unfortunately, the shown grub.conf does not agree with

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Otto Haliburton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 04:13:09

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Otto Haliburton
BTW the MBR is on HDA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 3

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Bret Hughes
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 02:27, brian davison wrote: Kenneth... I feel Your on the right track here... you may have missed her post where she said nothing was changed and went on to say she did switch jumper positions... this changes same parts of the hardware addressing. so a

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:28:56 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: BIOS loads and starts the code from master boot record, but code in MBR fails to load stage1.5 which is located at a fixed position on hda. At that point, GRUB does not even know about

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Otto Haliburton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:28:56

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:13:46 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: Knowing where the GRUB directory is doesn't have anything to do with knowing where things are located. The MBR is in the 1st sector of the drive we agree. Once GRUB is called it goes to a

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Otto Haliburton
thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:13

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Otto Haliburton
This is excerpts from the GNU GRUB manual. The manual suggests that you may have a problem with the device map in /boot/grub (this maybe where it is located). It says that GRUB doesn't know how to translate from bios disk to OS designations so it uses the device map in the grub directory. So

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-03 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Bret Hughes wrote: Just curious what is in the device.map file? This is where grub assigns device numbers used in grub.conf. I don't know if this is used in the installation of grub on the mbr or after but since I don't remember anything about this I thought I would ask. If it was posted

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:36:17 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: Is your configuration a SCSI? If it is then there is a explanation That wouldn't access the harddisk drives as /dev/hda and /dev/hdb, respectively. Btw, it would be great if you could trim

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:47:47 -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: Anyone know for certain who is printing out the INitial GRUB message? The MBR or phase two piece. MBR (stage1) prints only GRUB because of space constraints. It has only very few and

Re: GRUB Failure

2003-08-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:40:49 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: There is also a explanation if the volumes are LVM or RAID. No. LVM is not available before the initrd is loaded and the kernel is started. Same for Software-RAID. You boot from a physical

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-02 Thread Otto Haliburton
T. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-02 Thread Otto Haliburton
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:redhat-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:36:17 -0500

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-02 Thread Otto Haliburton
] On Behalf Of Otto Haliburton Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure This is a test message to see the format. Do not respond to this message. It has already been sent. HIII

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Michael Gargiullo
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:22, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Recently I had to remove /dev/hdb from a server to get it replaced. The OS is installed entirely on /dev/hda (including swap), and hdb was a mere backup drive (it was actually added AFTER the server was initially installed, up and

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Michael Gargiullo wrote: Can you post the output of df with hdb, and a copy of grub.conf? This has never changed. It's been the same since the machine was first installed (or last upgraded): --- # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:22:57 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Recently I had to remove /dev/hdb from a server to get it replaced. The OS is installed entirely on /dev/hda (including swap), and hdb was a mere backup drive (it was actually

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Michael Schwendt wrote: Give us a look at your /boot/grub/device.map and /boot/grub/grub.conf, please. cat /boot/grub/device.map # this device map was generated by anaconda (fd0) /dev/fd0 (hd0) /dev/hda grub.conf was posted a moment ago. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Barry Johnson
: GRUB failure -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:22:57 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Recently I had to remove /dev/hdb from a server to get it replaced. The OS is installed entirely on /dev/hda (including swap), and hdb was a mere backup drive

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Barry Johnson wrote: Just do a grub-install /dev/hda to reinitialize grub on the correct partition and everything should be fine, KISS. You'd think it'd be that easy. It wasn't. I did try that, and got the same result. For some reason now, it absolutely must have an /dev/hdb otherwise

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:21:13 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: cat /boot/grub/device.map # this device map was generated by anaconda (fd0) /dev/fd0 (hd0) /dev/hda grub.conf was posted a moment ago. Interesting. I had hoped to find hd0

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Otto Haliburton
Let's analyze it. Grub needs the grub.conf file. You deleted hdb and now Grub can't find the .conf file. So you need to do something that points GRUB to grub.conf. So maybe you had a link or something else that pointed GRUB to the .conf file. On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:27, Ashley M. Kirchner

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Otto Haliburton wrote: Let's analyze it. Grub needs the grub.conf file. You deleted hdb and now Grub can't find the .conf file. So you need to do something that points GRUB to grub.conf. So maybe you had a link or something else that pointed GRUB to the .conf file. You're not reading

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Otto Haliburton
What I'm saying is that we know what the problem is and that is GRUB can't find the .conf file period. Your solution lies in getting GRUB to find the .conf file. On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:45, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Otto Haliburton wrote: Let's analyze it. Grub needs the grub.conf file.

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Michael Schwendt wrote: Interesting. I had hoped to find hd0 and hd1 being swapped and GRUB trying to access hda with the drive id of hdb. Provided that it is not a hardware problem (master/slave configuration on hda), boot with boot disk or rescue mode and run grub-install /dev/hda as root. That

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Otto Haliburton wrote: What I'm saying is that we know what the problem is and that is GRUB can't find the .conf file period. Your solution lies in getting GRUB to find the .conf file. And my question since the very beginning was: WHY? There is nothing on hdb that should affect how grub

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Otto Haliburton
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:55, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Otto Haliburton wrote: What I'm saying is that we know what the problem is and that is GRUB can't find the .conf file period. Your solution lies in getting GRUB to find the .conf file. And my question since the very beginning

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
it actually try to boot? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ashley M. Kirchner Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure Otto Haliburton wrote: Let's analyze it. Grub needs the grub.conf

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ashley M. Kirchner Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GRUB failure Michael Schwendt wrote: Interesting. I had hoped to find hd0 and hd1 being swapped and GRUB trying to access hda with the drive id of hdb

RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Otto Haliburton
: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GRUB failure Otto Haliburton wrote: Let's analyze it. Grub needs the grub.conf file. You deleted hdb and now Grub can't find the .conf file. So you need to do something that points GRUB to grub.conf. So

Re: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Kenneth Goodwin wrote: Did ya change the master/slave jumper on the HDa drive to single drive when you removed the hdb drive by any chance? Is this a compaq by any chance that would now prefer you switched to cable select? Does the drive show up in the bios? does it actually try to boot?

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01 Aug 2003 15:51:02 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: What I'm saying is that we know what the problem is and that is GRUB can't find the .conf file period. Your solution lies in getting GRUB to find the .conf file. No, no, no. You haven't

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Otto Haliburton
The problem is, I have understood the problem. You can't boot when GRUB can't find grub.conf. You can when it can. When you remove hdb GRUB can't find the .conf file and that is why you can't boot. That's your problem. You are trying analyze why it can't find that file and that is your

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:27:48 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Barry Johnson wrote: Just do a grub-install /dev/hda to reinitialize grub on the correct partition and everything should be fine, KISS. You'd think it'd be that easy. It

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Otto Haliburton
You are getting GRUB when you boot because it is properly transferring to the MBR, but when it tries to determine where to locate the kernel image it can't fine the .conf file which tells it where that image is located. If you added a string to the boot instruction telling it where the .conf file

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01 Aug 2003 16:41:17 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: The problem is, I have understood the problem. You can't boot when GRUB can't find grub.conf. GRUB doesn't even come that far as was explained in the first message. If it booted into GRUB

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01 Aug 2003 16:46:29 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: You are getting GRUB when you boot because it is properly transferring to the MBR, but when it tries to determine where to locate the kernel image it can't fine the .conf file which tells it

RE: [RH List] RE: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Kenneth Goodwin
Did ya change the master/slave jumper on the HDa drive to single drive when you removed the hdb drive by any chance? Is this a compaq by any chance that would now prefer you switched to cable select? Does the drive show up in the bios? does it actually try to boot?

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Otto Haliburton
Again, you're not understanding the problem. When you boot you transfer to the MBR which loads GRUB. GRUB then loads the config file and prints the boot images and identifies to itself where the kernels images are located. When you select one it transfers to that kernel image location. Sines it

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Otto Haliburton
For you to solve this problem I think that you need to read what happens when you boot. I'm not trying to insult you but from what you are stating you don't understand how the computer boots and therefore what happens in GRUB. On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 16:52, Michael Schwendt wrote: -BEGIN PGP

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Otto Haliburton
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 16:52, Michael Schwendt wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01 Aug 2003 16:46:29 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: You are getting GRUB when you boot because it is properly transferring to the MBR, but when it tries to determine where to locate the

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01 Aug 2003 16:56:58 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: For you to solve this problem I think that you need to read what happens when you boot. I'm not trying to insult you but from what you are stating you don't understand how the computer boots

Re: GRUB failure

2003-08-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01 Aug 2003 16:54:23 -0500, Otto Haliburton wrote: Again, you're not understanding the problem. When you boot you transfer to the MBR which loads GRUB. GRUB then loads the config file and prints the boot images and identifies to itself where

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