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Tom Hughes wrote:
On 01/09/09 09:16, Lester Caine wrote:
2326103 declassifies the A816 from a trunk route to a primary route
which CURRENTLY is probably correct ... except -
I think that it would be useful to designate
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk as a cross reference for the trunk
/144953
Which would suggest that the changeset for this needs reversing,
although http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A816 does
hint at the fact that it has been 'de-truncked' and that only some green
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Tom Hughes wrote:
On 01/09/09 16:23, Lester Caine wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
Unless something has changed in the last few years them at least
some parts of the A816 are trunk (in the OSM sense of being
primary A roads with green signs).
Indeed:
http
it is time simply to revert them
all? Especially if he is unwilling to defend his actions?
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Jennifer Campbell wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 01/09/09 16:23, Lester Caine wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Which would suggest that the changeset for this needs reversing,
although http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A816 does
hint at the fact that it has been 'de
view of
things - but then the programmers there are in one camp or the other ...
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be appreciated by other drivers?
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Me thinks it is time for a hall of shame on the OSM site, with links
like this and hopefully the correct solution on OSM?
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route and flaging it as a single
element :(
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ones ;)
Anyway
Top down view - single way with lots of tags such as 'bridge'.
Bottom up view - every detail mapped and 'linked' in some way but each
with it's own structural element.
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Roy Wallace wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Can I check? Are there people here who are suggesting that, in my case,
they want to draw all four ways (yes, I know the footpath hasn't been
mapped yet) as a single way specify the differences
. The point is to make things transparently scalable. At the
'county' level you don't need the shape of the car park, just a tag to
it's presence so you can indicate where they are. Same with any object?
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additions require all of that 'tidying'
to be undone manually to put the correct data back :(
And this seems to be the case here?
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John Smith wrote:
2009/9/28 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk:
And this seems to be the case here?
The problem is the ways are the best place to tag the ABS information,
and the ABS data just happens to follow rivers, islands, railways and
roads and so on which is very useful where people
Konrad Skeri wrote:
Time to end this debate
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/boolean_values
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an element of 'NULL' - that is in addition to setting a
boolean tag, one still needs to decide if it should or should not be
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Andrew Errington wrote:
On Mon, October 5, 2009 15:36, Lester Caine wrote:
snip
( Egil - a little aside, while a check box for boolean would be nice,
there is still an element of 'NULL' - that is in addition to setting a
boolean tag, one still needs to decide if it should or should
that they follow instead
of the roadway need to be consistently tagged?
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with 'landuse' but I don't have
time ... need to be on the road by 1 ...
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things as a simple 'way based' view.
Of course, nothing is ever final ...
With ever more people adding data, the 'macro' view is straining to
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2009/10/7 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk:
Mike Harris wrote:
Chris
Despite the well-argued views of a minority, I am persuaded by the equally
well-argued views of the (considerable) majority who favour option (b).
That is not to say that there isn't room for using a bit
not come to any consensus on the general points of mapping
and who is in charge so a dictate from above TELLING us to move to a new
list seems somewhat out of place?
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no reason why a good
email based list can't simply add a web based interactive archive as well?
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on how
this level of micro-mapping is handled anyway ;)
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And how many of their competitors would also be linked to that site via
google's linked advertising? OSM simply has no 'baggage' to worry about!
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cope with serving real users without
also having to handle that.
What database is the wiki running on? My own sites I simply have a backup of
that running and rsync the backup along with the images directory to the backup
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provide mirror sites. The
problem
of cause is that editing needs to be restricted to the main site, but even that
can be catered for with care
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as a golf course is a no brainer?
Higher level views can then pull out nodes for hospital, golf course and road
grid while higher zoom levels can how acurate fine detail?
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Roy Wallace wrote:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
The bottom line is that while adding 'width' tags all the way along a road
may
be a practical half way house, other area features are not handled the same
way
so why should roads be any different
is the route passable by a pushchair or wheelchair?
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is drawing an imaginary
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the areas of all of the parts that make up the roadway?
At what point to you switch from 'dual carriageway' to 'divided road' ?
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for
example
would seem to be best described as a 'roundabout' as it certainly looks like it
is for turning around.
3 as actually just a wide road marking. Such cross hatch areas do need to be
covered but this a single road with 'advisory' road marking rather than a
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a name=xx tag. No
name tag = no name. I doubt that every trackway has a name so why ADD
thousands of noname=yes when simply not providing a name tag does the same
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Am I missing something here, or is the editing interface now CREATING
a new problem? If something does not have a name why would you ADD a
name=xx tag. No name tag = no name. I doubt that every trackway has a
name so why ADD thousands of noname=yes
Elena of Valhalla wrote:
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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There was a suggestion for name=__NONAME__ but that is also wrong - what is
needed is a SIMPLE name=__TODO__ where there is an item that we know HAS a
name but we do not know what
and therefore require an additional tag to flag them as really
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way would not be flagged as
'motorway' but no doubt parallels in other countries are not quite so clear cut?
Perhaps the OSM definition of motorway should include the restriction of a
single direction carriageway and move anything else to 'trunk'?
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: most motorway_links around here a bidirectional, except
the small parts where they enter and exit the motorway.
Then only the small parts that are the actual link should be tagged as
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not be
actually at the end of the link - I've seen traffic cops with speed guns on a
couple of roads that merge into the motorway ;)
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roads that is simply not at the 'start' of the
road. At some point, if correct speed indication is to be provided for route
planning, then the position of the actual start point is as important as
placing a change of speed limit at the correct point?
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problems in
the past which is one reason - as I indicated earlier - most of the approaches
around here now have central divides in place, so form two carriageways even
if it is one road surface?
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if joining another resident of the hotel ( or they have money
burning holes in their pockets ;) ). This is another 'rule' that has been
eroded over time, but is probably one that would be subconsciously used if
looking on a map for somewhere to eat?
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the same for debian/ubuntu?
Do I need to change something for debian/ubuntu howto?
Probably worth adding that to the osm wiki as well.
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where the purpose of the road is known,
but perhaps THAT is what needs to be defined as a tagging guideline?
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Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Sent: 07 November 2008 11:47 AM
To: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] UK Industrial Estate Roads
David Earl wrote:
On 07/11/2008 11:31, Christoph Boehme wrote:
Joshua Scotton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I added some streets recently
Andy Allan wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The purpose of the service road is to service an industrial area - therefore
it is not simply unclassified. Unclassified is only appropriate - in my
opinion - when the road has no identified other use
licence has been removed but it certainly stops
me from even downloading it ;)
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not one of them, but why
should snow maps be any different to cycling or 'in-line skating' ;)
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of extra tags that
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Mike Harris wrote:
Thanks - now I get the difference - my mistake. What we sometimes call an
Aladdin's Cave - but I guess 'household' is a more generally understood
tag (:) ...
Aunt Wainwrights .. perhaps ;)
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nature of OSM and creating an international 'feel' to
replace the 'UK project' comments such as we saw recently in the
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returning
to a nice hierarchic front end for osm, which nowadays is probably just
a different view on the place search?
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2009/3/18 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com mailto:r...@cloudmade.com
On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
While the effort being put into links WITH wikipedia are to be
applauded, many of us are no longer contributing to wikipedia
:( But the world Fact
Book should be the only reference needed for that nowadays.
Shaun
On 18 Mar 2009, at 08:53, Lester Caine wrote:
While the effort being put into links WITH wikipedia are to be
applauded, many of us are no longer contributing to wikipedia because of
their propensity to kill
pages I've been tracking
have have any of the censorship crap on them ;) I'd had to drop links to
wikipedia because of their treatment of model railway attractions ...
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Hi,
2009/3/18 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com:
On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
On a number of occasions in the past I have linked to articles only
later to find the 'censors' message at the end of a link :( and I know
we have had this discussion
tagging
industrial=auto_wrecker would be better?
landuse should be a primary key - so people who do not need the fine
detail can still render properly. In the UK, a 'breakers yard' or 'scrap
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that for unmanaged areas. So perhaps we just need to CORRECT the
land use page to include unmanaged woodland in some way?
Having a mixture of 'natural' AND 'landuse' seems to be the basic
problem so none of the proposed fixes is correct! These areas ARE
landuse=wood
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Florian Lohoff wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:31:46AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
It is correct to discuss.
There SHOULD be a landuse tag for every area as far as I am concerned,
and since landuse=forest is for managed wooded areas, it is incorrect to
use that for unmanaged areas. So
to
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roads do need a 'divider' tag, but only to add 'white line' and other
'micro' data that can't be included by areas or other means. The crosshatch
area
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of the other examples need the same end cases. So
at
what level does a simple 'divided' tag actually work in practice? However
'double white lines' on a single carriage way road IS a divider that needs
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk
mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
I think my only problem with 'divided' is At what point do you
apply it? The
samples being shown are quite clearly - on the whole - dual carriageway
. Simply adding yet more tags for something which
is not part of the actual roadway is another 'macro' bodge which in reality
requires at least a separate way ... )
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that in essence what licenses are for?
That is the entire crux of this problem ... CAN we trust commercial
organizations with big bank balances to play fair. I think the answer has to be
'NO' so we need the DATA protected a little better .
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Only where it is actually adding information. When it is overwriting data that
may well be more accurate - then no we don't ?
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on the ground ESPECIALLY where the cycleway ( or
sidewalk/footpath ) is not physically part of the 'accompanying' road.
NOTHING should dictate that removing physical data is the 'correct' way of
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or more abreast. Complex tags can be added to 'B' to provide the width,
distance for some other way and the like, but that is no substitute for
actually
mapping the information on the ground. So really all that is required a
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actually adding the full detail, there is not a
problem.
I was just concerned when it was being suggested that these REPLACE the lower
level detail! They must not prevent the mapping of the actual fine detail.
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On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/1/2 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk
Provided that this does not result in REMOVING ways that are
mapped
Claus Hindsgaul wrote:
2010/1/3 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk
It is however a very good example of where people have taken the
trouble to
ACTUALLY map reality and their efforts have been destroyed! At the
end of the
day everything needs
is how do we get both to co exist? If someone is going to
DICTATE that we will never map some details then I think we have a problem? But
that is where we are stuck at the moment anyway?
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pedestrian and cycle crossing points, and linking them to foot and
bike
only routes is something of a mess currently?
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- it may not affect their current service, but it doesn't exactly
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lane road' should
become 4 individual ways before coming an area with fine detail of lane
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Data available tomorrow (Thursday) at
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendata .
Looks like the demand is too great ;)
Anybody actually managed to register yet?
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that we need hierarchic lists overlying the physical
data so that one can search for locations in that tree, and postcode is just
another fairly consistently defined tree?
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Vincent Pottier wrote:
Le 02/04/2010 09:01, Lester Caine a écrit :
Looking at the post code data that has just been 'open sourced' by the UK
government I am beginning to realise part of the problem here. We are
trying to
create a generic solution when in reality there are distinct
with lower case names. A bit of a pain when using Linux - obviosuly OS
is
still windows based :(
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slop' that the rest
of the world does not want to start down? If RUSSIA's secret data is sanitised,
then how many other counties are going to expect the same treatment?
Can you see the problem Eugene? We simply can't say yes to any incorrect
mapping!
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that they have a problem with, then THAT needs a
little more tactful handling! However the history of these changes will still
be
maintained. So an alternative method of 'correcting the mistake' will be
required ;)
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definition of landuse should follow the
international standards, and that includes 'military' as a basic definition
anyway.
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Kirill Bestoujev wrote:
2010/4/15 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk
Of cause what is missing here is that since this 'vote' was only in
Russian then
the vast majority of us would not even be able to vote anyway. There
should
perhaps be a rule
, and was to do
with
the differences between these, memorial and monument
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the 'loot' over, the thefts I've seen around here would not have
had any problem 'radioing home' ;)
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the road is really relevant?
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