Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-26 Thread ttxpress
what revelations (relevant to biblical prophecy, then or now) are you talking about?   On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:41:15 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe in David's revelations.  I believe in Biblical revelation.DAVEH:  Glenn, do you

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-26 Thread Slade Henson
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 26 March, 2003 09:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers In a message dated 3/21/2003 9:59:44 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have only given you warning that it is the Lord who weighs your boasting

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-26 Thread Dave
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salvation by grace through faith, plus nothing, minus nothing. DAVEH:   Let me know when you want to discuss this, Brother Glenn. There is no salvation in Roman Catholic, Church of Christ, 7th Day Adventist, Jesus Only Pentecostals, or Mormons membership. Salvation by g

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-26 Thread Dave
  ShieldsFamily wrote: While we should hold him accountable for meanness, surely we don’t blame him for his genetic code—right? Izzy DAVEH:  That's right, Izzy.  But on the other hand, we want to be careful not to let Dr. Clonenstein use him for any genetic experiments!     [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-26 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 3/21/2003 9:59:44 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have only given you warning that it is the Lord who weighs your boasting, so be very careful that your boasting is not considered arrogance to Him, who is Judge Glenn is the LEAST judgmental person I know. 

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-26 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 3/21/2003 9:14:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus judged motives.  Did he sin when he did this, or does he get a free pass because he supposedly was not really subject to human weaknesses? Jesus didn't have to judge motives - he knew the heart of man!

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers     [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:    I am mean and ugly because I stand for salvation by grace through faith. DAVEH:  Naw Glenn, you only seem that way when you are standing next to your beautiful and sweet wife!     -- ~~~ Dave Hansen

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-25 Thread Dave
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My answer to all this mixing of works and salvation is John 3:16.  Salvation by grace through faith plus nothing minus nothing.  John 3:16. DAVEH:   As I have intimated before, I believe many folks who believe such simply do not understand the nature of salvation.  It i

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-25 Thread Dave
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:    I am mean and ugly because I stand for salvation by grace through faith. DAVEH:  Naw Glenn, you only seem that way when you are standing next to your beautiful and sweet wife!     -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-25 Thread Dave
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe in David's revelations.  I believe in Biblical revelation. DAVEH:  Glenn, do you believe there were any revelations given outside the framework of the Bible?  And, do you believe there could be revelation given by God even today? David, When will you fi

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-25 Thread ttxpress
Iz--May I point out one remarkable aspect of this verse you posted(?)--the fact that Jesus stipulates what 'belongs' (pres tense) to 'such as these' now , not merely someday, in the future--like tripping over shelter in the Rock rather than tripping on rocket science :-) but pls don't ask me

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread Marlin Halverson
:} - Original Message - From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers > David, and fellow TT'rs, > >This may be a good point to

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread ttxpress
  On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:23:50 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Perry,> > Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me..the kingdom >of heaven belongs to such as these." (Matt 19:14)   Gary wrote: >you do agree to 'confess' your sin/s, don't you?   [DavidM:]Yes, of cou

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles P. Locke Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers David, and fellow TT'rs, This may be a good point to bring up some questions, and I hope that oth

Re:RE: RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread ttxpress
Gary wrote: > this text is crystal clear: 'do not let sin reign..', > ... but, it doesn't say 'do not sin..' [DavidM:] It seems to me that saying "do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies" is the same as "do not sin." Then leave Luther's translation work alone. Gary wrote: >you do agree to

RE: RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: > this text is crystal clear: 'do not let sin reign..', > ... but, it doesn't say 'do not sin..' It seems to me that saying "do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies" is the same as "do not sin." What is the difference? If you don't let sin reign in your body, then you are not sin

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > Do you really think that it takes all > of that research to be a Christian? No. The idea that Jesus Christ came to set us free from sin is not rocket science. I saw this from reading my Bible when I was 17. I sincerely do not think that the problem is study or research. The pro

Re:RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread ttxpress
g: > Rom 6:12 -- Therefore do not let sin reign in your > mortal body so that you obey its lusts, this text is crystal clear: 'do not let sin reign..', either a radical modification of Jesus' 'be ye perfect' or a perfect understanding of Jesus unplugged; but, it doesn't say 'do not sin..' eve

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread Charles P. Locke
David, and fellow TT'rs, This may be a good point to bring up some questions, and I hope that other TT'rs chime in as well. Many of the points that we discuss on TT require a tremendous amount of research (biblical and extra-biblical) in terms of scanning, cross referencing, and word studi

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > I do not think that material is still around, > so I guess without a bit of research I cannot > quote verses on it. Besides, I am sure that > whatever I find, you can find others that > refute it. I believe that the Bible leads us into truth. When we hold to something that is

RE: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: >1. Inadvertent sin -- the "oops" we all in > TruthTalk do once in a *great* while. What evidence do you have that everyone at some point sins inadvertently? Isn't this really just an excuse for the sin of carelessness? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.

RE: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
7 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers I know this will manufacture or engender a bit of grief, so I apologize at the forefront. Paul was a Pharisee before his conversion and claimed his Pharisaic "membership" even at the close of his l

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread Charles P. Locke
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:23:24 -0500 Perry wrote: > Salvation does not remove us from the POWER > of s

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > Salvation does not remove us from the POWER > of sin as you stated below. Our jutstification > through Christ removes us from the PENALTY of sin > (which is death), and we enter into [eternal] life. > ... Sanctification removes us from the POWER of sin, > which is a gradual pro

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread Charles P. Locke
IL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:54:57 -0500 Gary wrote: > Rom 6:12 -- Therefore do not let sin reign in your > mortal body so that you obey its lusts, > > the Ap Paul knows that sin is presen

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: > Rom 6:12 -- Therefore do not let sin reign in your > mortal body so that you obey its lusts, > > the Ap Paul knows that sin is present; sin > demands to 'reign' in him; therefore, the > command--think about it--'do not let sin reign' > is either a radical modification of JCs 'be

Re: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread Slade Henson
t;definition" I heard regarding Biblical "perfection" is "whole-hearted." - Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2003 13:21 Subject: Re:Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers > >Rom 6

Re:Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread ttxpress
>Rom 6:12 -- Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its >lusts, the Ap Paul knows that sin is present; sin demands to 'reign' in him; therefore, the command--think about it--'do not let sin reign' is either a radical modification of JCs 'be ye perfect' or it is exa

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread Slade Henson
ponding to this email. Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly. My hotmail account is used exclusively for out-going email. Thank you. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2003 08:52 Subject: RE:

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread Slade Henson
IL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2003 08:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers Perry, you've had it now.  You've hit David's sacred cow.  The only problem is I have seen on TT, that he is not perfect.  He is a great person, but far far far fr

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: > For the sake of the list, I'm going to ask > you Glenn to limit your posts to two posts > per day for one week. ... Are you willing > to work with me on this? Glenn wrote: > No, I will not do this. But I will leave TT. > I understand why you are kicking me off of TT.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread GJTabor
No, I will not do this.  But I will leave TT.  I understand why you are kicking me off of TT.  You do not welcome the hard truth on TT.  You, my sincere friend, as a hypocrite.  You do what you accuse me of doing. For the sake of the list, I'm going to ask you Glenn to limit your posts to two pos

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread GJTabor
David, you have called me a hypocrite.  You are  dead wrong.  You are showing how imperfect you are.  What have you got against me?  I have to rebuke you in Jesus name for calling me a hypocrite.  Glenn, you play the hypocrite and you seem to be the only one who can't see it.  Everything

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread GJTabor
If you have a Church of Christ background you know all the dirt on all the church fathers.  You are using a CC attack.  The dirt stops CC people from examing the truth. How many people on TruthTalk knew that Luther rejected the book of James as not part of the Bible

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread GJTabor
If you have not attacked Martin Luther, then I have not attacked anyone on TT. Glenn wrote: > You have attacked the messenger, and you have > not refuted salvation by grace through faith, > plus nothing, minus nothing. 

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: > The term "sola fide" means "faith alone." > When Luther translated the Bible, he did > something very much like what the Jehovah's > Witnesses did with John 1:1. The JW's created > a translation that added a word to the verse, > so that John 1:1 says that the Word was "

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread GJTabor
Perry, you've had it now.  You've hit David's sacred cow.  The only problem is I have seen on TT, that he is not perfect.  He is a great person, but far far far from perfect. Perry wrote: > I do believe that we are expected to keep the > commandments, which are outlined by Jesus in > the verses

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > I do believe that we are expected to keep the > commandments, which are outlined by Jesus in > the verses below, and in other places in the > scriptures. However, I do not believe that we > are expected to live sinless lives...in fact, > I believe that we cannot. The verse "be ye

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread GJTabor
You didn't come  clean on this verse.  You misused the verse out of context to defend your works/salvation.  You are slick by asking a question and not making a statement, but I can read between the lines.   Glenn wrote: > What you say above means one cannot save > themselves.  I think you know

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread GJTabor
faith, I also imply all that leads up to developing true faith. Perry >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers >Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:28:47 -0800 > > >

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread GJTabor
Dave, you have never understood  Biblical saving faith and the difference between it and intellectual faith. DAVEH:   Perry..Does repentance have anything to do with salvation?  IOW, can those who don't repent be saved? > It is totally a work of our Lord and > Savior. To God be the glory for

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-23 Thread Dave Hansen
lieve that it is the Holy spirit that convicts us of our sin in > the first place and leads us to belief. Otherwise, I fear that we might all > be lost. > >By all means, when I say that one has faith, I also imply all that leads > up to developing true faith. > > Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Charles P. Locke
first place and leads us to belief. Otherwise, I fear that we might all be lost. By all means, when I say that one has faith, I also imply all that leads up to developing true faith. Perry From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Marlin Halverson
1CO 15:2    By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. - Original Message - From: "Dave Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Dave Hansen
"Charles P. Locke" wrote: > Hey, Glenn, you are not alone. I, too, understand that salvation comes > through faith, "not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph 2:8,9) There > is NOTHING WE CAN DO to save ourselves. DAVEH: Perry..Does repentance have anything to do with salvation? IOW,

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, How very true. You are quite astute. Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Slade Henson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 22 March, 2003 21:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers You are right.  I was trying to give an illustration of the context.  The context of Acts 2:40 had to do with the evil civilization around the

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
You are right.  I was trying to give an illustration of the context.  The context of Acts 2:40 had to do with the evil civilization around them.  Below was what I was trying to illustrate.  This verse is not about getting saved from my sins but about get saved from physical destruction in context.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Slade Henson
Glenn said... What you say above means one cannot save themselves.  I think you know the context of Acts 2:40.  If the Republican Guard in Baghdad wants to save themselves, then they must separate themselves from Saddam H.  That is the context of Acts 2:40.     Uhhh... whatever happened to "

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
Again, David, you act like the Church of Christ.  I think you should start attending one.  You might like it.  The Church of Christ attacks the messenger when they can't refute the message.  You have attacked the messenger, and you have not refuted salvation by grace through faith, plus nothing, mi

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: > But you double talk. If what you say > above is true, then salvation is by grace > through faith, plus nothing, minus nothing. I see your position as double talk. You say that works follow faith, but then you balk if someone suggests that someone might not have saving faith if

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > David, you are right. I was taught that by > preachers. But after I was taught that, I > learned that it was this truth that awakened > Martin Luther and thus was one of the foundational > tenets of the reformation. Sola Fide, I believe it > was called. Just because it was one

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Terry Clifton
to the second question I asked: "If he did, what does that do to the law under the new covenant?"Perry>From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers>

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers/correction

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
I use the term salvation in a common sense way.  I use the term to mean I have had my sins forgiven and the Holy Spirit lives within me. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hey, glenn, you are not alone. I, too, understand[..]salvation what is 'salvation'? ||

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
Glenn wrote: > I believe that George Washington was President > of the United States but I am not believing in > GW to take me to heaven. ... > I am not believing in church membership, > perfectionism, baptism, Lord's Supper, > works, etc., to take me to heaven. I haven't heard anyone on Truth

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Charles P. Locke
in His response? Perry * 5046. teleios, tel'-i-os; from G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neut. (as noun, with G3588) completeness:--of full age, man, perfect. From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMA

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
Tremendous post. 

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers/correction

2003-03-22 Thread ttxpress
|| ftr, the foregoing analogy seems like very preachable stuff by (e.g.) DrGT and[Perry]...   On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:27:45 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:18:46 + "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Hey, glenn, you are not alone. I, too, un

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: > I believe that George Washington was President > of the United States but I am not believing in > GW to take me to heaven. ... > I am not believing in church membership, > perfectionism, baptism, Lord's Supper, > works, etc., to take me to heaven. I haven't heard anyone on Truth

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
What you are saying below is a smoke screen to the truth.  It doesn't address the point that the law if over.  It is much ado about nothing. Saying, "It is finished" does not mean that everything is finished. Jesus was talking about his destiny to be the sacrifice for the sins of the world.  That'

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > If Jesus had not fulfilled the law, He could > not have stated "IT IS FINISHED"! > How much more dows it take? Are you saying that you believe that every prophecy has already been fulfilled? Are you saying that the resurrection and eternal judgment has already taken place? Saying

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
Terry, there is Biblical saving faith and there is intellectual faith.  I believe that George Washington was President of the United States but I am not believing in GW to take me to heaven. I am not believing in church membership, perfectionism, baptism, Lord's Supper, works, etc., to take me to

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread ttxpress
  On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:18:46 + "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Hey, Glenn, you are not alone. I, too, understand[..]salvation what is 'salvation'?   you know we're in the aftermath of a huge snowstorm here, in Denver..in which i saw numerous examples of 'salvation' (i

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Terry Clifton
and ignore  the thousands of other verses that give us the whole picture.   Blessings,   Terry   ---Original Message---   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:19:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers  Hey, Glenn, you are not alone. I,

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
There is no need to show you any Bible.  You explain away the Bible with humanistic reasoning.  Your mind is made up so why confuse you with the truth?  You re blinded because of easy believism.  If you try to save yourself, David, you will go straight to hell. The verse about "save yourself".  Pl

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
WRONG.  IT DOES NOT COME FROM INSTANT BELIEVISM.   David, you are as blinded when it comes to this as any person I have ever met.   You can't see beyond easy believism to ANYTHING.   Because of this you are taken in (deceived) by a works salvation. I think if you are honest with examining where y

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > Hey, Glenn, you are not alone. I, too, understand > that salvation comes through faith, "not of works, > lest any man should boast" (Eph 2:8,9) Amen. I believe this too. Perry wrote: > There is NOTHING WE CAN DO to save ourselves. > It is totally a work of our Lord and Savior.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
Much learning can make a person "mad".  David has become better and better at explaining away salvation by grace through faith.  Common Sense is greatly lacking in these detailed humanistic explanations.  Surely, Paul (as in Eph. 3:4 and John 20:31 for a quick example) wrote so as to be understoo

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Charles P. Locke
ce. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:18:35 EST Gal. 5:1. I honestly believe the Bible teaches a person backslides when he goes from salvation by grace through faith

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Charles P. Locke
I am also interested in hearing your answer to the second question I asked: "If he did, what does that do to the law under the new covenant?" Perry From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [T

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread GJTabor
Gal. 5:1.  I honestly believe the Bible teaches a person backslides when he goes from salvation by grace through faith to mixing salvation with the law. Gal. 5:4.  It is obvious that Christ has become of no effect to 7th Day Adventists and others on TT that take up for the 7th Day cult. The reason

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-22 Thread Terry Clifton
  Jesus said he came to fulfil the law in 17, and then in 18 said that nothing will pass from the law until all be fulfilled. My question is, did Jesus fulfil the law? If he did, what does that do to the law under the new covenant? If he did not, then what did he mean when he said he came to

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
I don't believe in David's revelations.  I believe in Biblical revelation. David, When will you finish telling us about your Sabbath revelation? Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
What you are saying David, is NOT what the Bible says, but this is nothing new here on TT with the non-Christian view. Jesus did NOT fulfill all the law.  His coming to fulfill the law is progressive.  He fulfilled many parts, such as the part requiring atonement for sin, ushering in the Kingdom o

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
Slade si cool because he is a  Judaizer which people are condemned to hello fire in Galatians.  But I am mean and ugly because I stand for salvation by grace through faith.  You are sick too Izzy. Slade, You are so cool! J Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
Since when you are God, Izzy? Michael D:   Slade, one wonders if glorified bodies like Jesus' which walked through walls, will ever get tired and need to rest John says that when we see Jesus we will be like Him. Paul says that we shall be changed.  One wonders what would be the need of a Sab

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
I WARN YOU THAT YOU ARE DEFILING THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.  YOU JUST INSULTED JEHOVAH GOD, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE BY TEACHING "IN FOR HELL" DOCTRINE.  WHAT IS WORSE IS THAT YOU ARE TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN HOW TO DEFILE THE NAME OF JEHOVAH TOO!!  YOU ARE SICK!  YOU ARE OF YOUR FATHER

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
You obviously are a very sick religious bigot.  I guess I need to treat you like a baby and a sinner headed to hell.  The New Testament does not say so.  WHO GIVES A FLIP WHAT 7TH DAY ADVENTIST SAY???  NOW LET ME ANSWER THAT.  JESUS DOES AND HE CONDEMNED TO AN EVERLASTING HELL FIRE THE PH

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, When will you finish telling us about your Sabbath revelation? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > David, it seems you have omitted some parts of this > passage that might help understand it. Here is the > preceding verse (v17), and the full version of > the one you quoted (v18): > Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the > law, or the prophets: I am not come to dest

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade, You are so cool! J Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers   We should worship YHVH on

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
    -Original Message- Michael D:   Slade, one wonders if glorified bodies like Jesus' which walked through walls, will ever get tired and need to rest John says that when we see Jesus we will be like Him. Paul says that we shall be changed.  One wonders what would

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread Slade Henson
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2003 17:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers The Bible does not say so.  The Bible tells us no such thing.  Romans 14:5-6.  Why don't you call God Je

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
TT no longer has a Protestant foundation.   The inmates have taken over the asylum. 

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
The Bible does not say so.  The Bible tells us no such thing.  Romans 14:5-6.  Why don't you call God Jehovah?  I call your doctrine a lie hatched out of hell by Satan himself.  Who are you to judge another?  Romans 14:4.  Stupid statement no. 2 - Friday ends at midnight now.  Saturday begins at

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread michael douglas
-- slade   - Original Message - From: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2003 12:28 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers > > >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread Slade Henson
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2003 15:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers Izzy, is not honest with herself.  He takes up for Judaizers and their "go to hell" attitude, but she gives people like m

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
Izzy, is not honest with herself.  He takes up for Judaizers and their "go to hell" attitude, but she gives people like me, who believe in salvation by grace through faith, plus nothing minus nothing, sharp jags.  The people who require Saturday worship get her "niceness", but if anyone disagrees

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread Slade Henson
rom: "Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2003 12:28 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers > > >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >Glenn wrote:> > > David, you

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
There is a difference in REFUSING to be called a Christian and honestly be mistaken on wearing the Divine name of Christian as was a fulfillment of prophecy. So I guess we might agree.  But we really don't because the people you are referring to REFUSE to wear the name Christian.  Now, I do not ju

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
Law is fulfilled.  Study Hebrews.  The veil has been torn from top to bottom. Please explain to me what you do with his passage (Mat. 5:18)? 

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
You twice wrong.  I do not teach that.  Saturday worship is fulfilled and no longer required.  You are wrong on what I said.  BUT more importantly you are wrong on what Jesus said.  Glenn teaches that keeping the Sabbath holy is no longer law.  Jesus taught that not one jot or tittle will pass fr

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
Yes, I am judging right from wrong.  I am not judging your motives.  For example, I am judging as wrong the requirement for Saturday worship.  NOW, if I say, Izzy, the reason you want to play like you believe in Saturday worship is to have a day where you have an excuse to not do anything.  You c

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
This is the problem, DavidM.  You are not Jesus.  You did not die for my sins.  I do not serve you.  If you did die for my sins it would do not good because you are a sinner.  You cannot forgive my sins.  You are not Jesus.  You cannot judge motives without sinning and playing God.  This is how you

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
Glenn to DaveH - Agreed, except for the grand entrance. :-) Whether one worships on Saturday or Sunday or whenever, doesn't concern me as much as whether one feels the need to have reverence for the Lord on a regular basis.  I'm sure the way you explained your believe was meant to agitate some o

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread Charles P. Locke
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Glenn wrote: > David, your whole comments below are built > upon a false foundation. The false foundation > is that Saturday worship is still a law. > This is a sick foundation. The reason this is my foundation is because Jesus taught: Mat 5:18 For veril

Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
My answer to all this mixing of works and salvation is John 3:16.  Salvation by grace through faith plus nothing minus nothing.  John 3:16.  Of course I have heard this explained away on TT.  Much talk about salvation by grace, but when all the posting is said and done, it is not what is believed. 

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: > David, quit taking up for Judiazers. > This is a grave doctrinal error. > Quit taking up for Jews that refuse > to wear the name of Christ. This > is grave doctrinal error. This is > the reason I left TT and will leave > it again. I think you do not understand my positio

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: > David, your whole comments below are built > upon a false foundation. The false foundation > is that Saturday worship is still a law. > This is a sick foundation. The reason this is my foundation is because Jesus taught: Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and ear

RE: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers

2003-03-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
righteous judgement”; not to refrain from judging. It is you who are judging me.   Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath

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