I didn't read what you sent because you don't follow the whole Old Testament law on the Sabbath. Therefore you are condemning others and not following the whole law yourself. He who is guilty of one point of the law is guilty of breaking all the law.
I did go to the bottom and find what I said
hewed difference between the unclean and the clean,
and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among
them.
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You have made a fine point. However, it doesn't excuse Heb. 10:25. We are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, like some do. That is the bottom. This is not to be in disagreement with your post.
Michael D: I believe alot of the confusion concerning this issue relates to the fa
Michael D: I believe alot of the confusion concerning this issue relates to the fact that the term worship is misconstrued in mainstream Christianity. Under the law, worship was predominantly related to ostentatious ceremonies and official rituals and a specific location. It seems instructive to m
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Hi Michael D,
You could start with the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20:8-11:
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the 7th day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work
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Laura,
I think you have missed
David's point entirely. Marlin is convicted to honor the SABBATH, as scripture clearly tells us to do.
Mi
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Laura,
I think you have missed David's point entirely. Marlin is convicted to honor the SABBATH, as scripture clearly tells us to do.
Michael D: Hey Izzy, if you will oblige, I am interested in knowing where in the scripture I'll bae able to find
Glenn,
Let’s all just kiss and make up! J
Hugs,
Izzy
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I'm not leavi
I'm not leaving TT. I just think I am hindering Marlin and your conservation. So I am going to bow out of this conservation for now. The conservation seems to be all one sided. I say something but Marlin doesn't address what I said. I am going to just watch. I might jump in a little, but I ho
Glenn,
You teased Blainer for running off….you’d
better not do it now! J
Izzy
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> Marlin, this sounds like false idols to me. Am I wrong?
Yes. We agree. False idols.
> I know a lot of people try and say this is a christmas tree. You
don't
think that, do you?
Dear David,
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is close enough
fo
Glenn,
Thanks for calming down.
Love, Izzy
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Izzy, you just don't g
The answer to your Christmas problem is the "doctrine of origins". There is nothing in the Bible that says it is a sin IF IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE.
The first part of Jeremiah 10 sure sounds like a Christmas tree. Later
verses could show that it is some kind of a carved object, an image. I
realiz
Marlin, you brought it on yourself. I just responded to the Holy Spirit inside of me. You NEVER attempted to REFUTE ONE THING I HAVE SAID. So there's no carrying on a conservation with you.
I attended a 7th Day Adventists prophecy workshop. It was the worse thing I ever attended. Tried to sne
> Marlin, this sounds like false idols to me. Am I wrong?
Yes. We agree. False idols.
> I know a lot of people try and say this is a christmas tree. You don't
think that, do you?
Dear David,
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is close enough for
me to consider that it
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Jumping to conclusions is not wise.
noone was jumpint to conclusions. Thanks for answering the questions. Laura
To Whom It May Concern:
We do not sell Christmas products.
Not that it should make any difference, we fellowship
regularly with some wonderful and loving Seventh Day Adventists, and attend
independent Bible studies with many of the same people. We do not
subscribe to all of their ide
The below statement is a total lack of knowledge. I am getting out of this discussion. Bye.
PS. Still waitng to see if Marlin is selling Christmas trees or materials?
I wonder that God didn't get after David for not worshipping; after all, he just wrote songs and sang them from the pastures
Izzy, you just don't get it. The doctrine of origins is EXACTLY what Marlin is teaching. It is nothing new. I put a name on it as it is called in theological circles. FURTHERMORE, MARLIN IS NOT JUST SAYING CHRISTMAS IS UNSCRIPTURAL FOR HIM. He is saying it is a sin for me to celebrate Christmas
David's point missed the point entirely. David's point does not excuse Heb. 10:25. I haven't missed David's point. The dots to David's point do not connect to Heb. 10:25.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. The Scriptures do NOT tell us too worship on Saturday. Read my post and the commentaries on Acts 20:7
Title: Message
Laura,
You
don't have to worship-every-Sunday-in-church to worship. As I said, the Amish
worship as a church group every other Sunday. Some folks don't have a church
nearby, so they worship at home. Some folks are too ill to leave their homes;
does that mean they "don't wors
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Laura,
Thanks for giving him that. And if he is led to worship on the Sabbath, isn't it obvious to you that he is not going to worship on Sunday instead?
Izzy
Are you serious? So if you don't have a
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Laura,
Thanks
for giving him that. And if he is led to worship on the Sabbath, isn't it
obvious to you that he is not going to worship on Sunday
instead?
Izzy
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Glenn,
You
are the one bringing up "doctrine of origins", (which by the way is not in the
Bible); Marlin never did. This is theology terminology psychobabble
that certain people like to use to confuse the issue when they can't come
up with scripture to defend their point of
I'm sorry that Marlin apparently doesn't have a place to worship. I didn't realize there was no Messianic Fellowship where he lives - whereever that is. Laura
Then he should worship somewhere on Sunday or start a group on Saturday. Laura
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I know that you were not finding fault with Saturday worship. I'm just wondering how willing you are to follow your own advise!
I'd go to a Messianic service - They have awesome music and serve the same
mily
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Laura,
I
think you have missed David's point entirely. Marlin is convicted to honor the
SABBATH, as scripture clearly tells us to do. So what if he lives in an area
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Ok, Laura. How about this. You go to a Messianic
assembly next Saturdayand meet with them regularly. Their
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Laura,
I
think you have missed David's point entirely. Marlin is convicted to honor the
SABBATH, as scripture clearly tells us to do. So what if he lives in an area
where there is no Sabbath-worshipping fellowship What if it takes a great
deal of planning to get a group
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Ok, Laura. How about this. You go to a Messianic assembly next Saturday
and meet with them regularly. Their music may not be your favorite, and
their format of worship might not be what you want, and the
Glenn wrote:
> Many have it backwards today. They give sinners
> hell and gently talk to Christians. Jesus was the
> opposite when he talked to the woman at the well
> and the religious leaders of his day.
Glenn, the problem is that you are the pastor here, the doctor, the
representative of the
Glenn wrote:
> Many have it backwards today. They give sinners
> hell and gently talk to Christians. Jesus was the
> opposite when he talked to the woman at the well
> and the religious leaders of his day.
Glenn, the problem is that you are the pastor here, the doctor, the
representative of the
Marlin wrote:
> JER 10:3For the customs of the people [are] vain:
> for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of
> the hands of the workman, with the axe.
> JER 10:4They deck it with silver and with gold;
> they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it
> move not.
> JER 10:
Laura wrote:
> This isn't about what day we worship - it is
> about the fact that Martin seems not to worship
> with other believers on a regular basis.
You and Glenn completely missed my point.
Think about it this way. Right or wrong, suppose you came to the ideology
that Saturday would be the
David, you have never understood the meaning of the word Christian. It is a name given by God to his followers. See the posts I have sent. Christian means belonging to Christ. Those that burned Tyndale at the stake did not belong to Christ. "EVERYBODY CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN...AIN'T".
FURTH
See David, I disagree with you. Marlin is not answering questions. How many times has he been asked this question? We still have no answer. Here's the truth. IF he sells Christmas trees, or anything associated with Christmas, he is a hypocrite. If he doesn't sell anything to do with Christma
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Laura wrote:
>I don't know anyone who is a Christian who can get
>by without worshipping on a regular basis with other
>believers and still maintain their walk with God.
>No denomination is perfect, no church
Glenn to David - I was waiting for your attack on me. What took so long? Take it up with the Holy Spirit. It was revealed to me. So I guess the Holy Spirit is wrong.
Glenn wrote:
> I will give you my two bits worth. It is you, Martin.
> You have a party spirit. You are the one who can't
>
Glenn wrote:
> I will give you my two bits worth. It is you, Martin.
> You have a party spirit. You are the one who can't
> worship with others on a continuing basis.
> You are the one who gives me the impression if we
> can't understand your questions without answers,
> we are not spiritual.
> Y
Marlin, If you are against Christmas that is fine with me but I still want to know if you benefit financially from the sale of items from your business during the Christmas season. Laura
Marlin, I still have heard an answer from you concerning your selling of Christmas product? Do you sell Christmas product or not? Why is this so hard to answer?
Why? Because it is false teaching. It is wrong to teach falsely. What group of Christians do you worship with on a regular basis?
Why? Because this false teaching attempts to take away the freedom we have in Christ. Izzy is on your side and she gave Bible. You did not respond to the Bible ve
But if ye bite and devour one
another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Love,
Marlin
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I did
ask Marli
I did ask Marlin and he said words to the effect that Christmas was a sin. There no need to get in a word game.
I've asked Marlin a lot of questions, but I don't get many answers. I get the impression that if I have to ask then I am not in turn with the Holy Spirit.
I repeat, I don't care if
I enjoy Marlin for his sincerity too. As far as his uniqueness, I have not heard anything unique/new from him. The spirit that bothers me is with anyone who can't get along in any church. I get the impression if you don't see it his way, you are not spiritual. I could be wrong, but if I am righ
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You, also, did not address my post. Bible
please.
\Where in the Bible does it say it is a sin (Marlins says it is or words to
that effect.) to
On a good day I do both. Izzy
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Do you worship with Christians on Saturday or just
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Right, I am on Marlins back for judging people who have a
spirit of which he is guilty. That's my stand. I referred to one of
your scriptures as it applies to Christmas. I referr
Do you worship with Christians on Saturday or just lay around and smell candles?
P.S. No I don’t judge Christians by what days they choose to worship or celebrate the Lord on, for the reason of the scriptures I already gave you more than once. Izzy
who judge your neighbor?”
Izzy
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Izzy, I don't have a clue why you are on my back.
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Izzy, I don't have a clue why you are on my back.
YOU DON'T GIVE ME BIBLE. No, on second thought, I do understand why you
are on my back. I stand by Hebrews 10:25 you can stand on
Marlin. Excuse
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Izzy, I don't have a clue why you are on my back.
YOU DON'T GIVE ME BIBLE. No, on second thought, I do understand why you
are on my back. I stand by Hebrews 10:25 you can stand on
Marlin. Excuses, excuses, excuses is what Marlin gave. I
Christmas.
It violates the truth of God.
--Marlin
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Martin - Quite frankly this is double
talk. I hav
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It doesn't matter what you prefer. The word Christian is a divinely called name. Others on TT, I'm sure are smarter, than Strongs though. :-)
Mar
Marlin, I would also
appreciate hearing your definition of a party spirit. Izzy
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It doesn't matter what you prefer. The word Christian
is a divinely called name. Others on TT, I'm sure are smarter, than
Strongs though. :-)
Marlin, himself told me he did worship with anyone. Marli
You, also, did not address my post. Bible please.
\Where in the Bible does it say it is a sin (Marlins says it is or words to that effect.) to celebrate Christmas? This has not been addressed.
What does going Christmas shopping have to do with celebrating Christmas?
On a personal level, I don't
It doesn't matter what you prefer. The word Christian is a divinely called name. Others on TT, I'm sure are smarter, than Strongs though. :-)
Marlin, himself told me he did worship with anyone. Marlin, himself.
Excuse me, Glenn, but where did Marlin say he was not able to get along with othe
eated into house churches. They became persecuted.
By the way, you have been mis-spelling my name.
Love,
Marlin
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Thanks Martin, for your reply.
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The world is going to hell and you are against
Christmas. Wow! Where is a Bible verse against it? Your
argument from Biblical silence is bad hermeneutics. To follow this method
of Biblical interpretation is to lead to all kinds of
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Thanks Martin, for your
reply. It helps me understand you much better.
1. I am not surprised you can't get along with any Christians and have to
stay by yourself. You should consider you are the one in error. I
say this be
ted into house churches. They became persecuted.
By the way, you have been mis-spelling my
name.
Love,
Marlin
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Thanks Ma
Glenn,
I’m so glad that David Miller is making
such progress with you! J
Izzy
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Yes, you do. "You" are your party spirit. You are your own denomination. You have separated yourself from others. This is the party spirit.
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We do not belong to a denomination and we do not believe in a p
I don't know anyone who is a Christian who can get by without worshipping on a regular basis with other believers and still maintain their walk with God. No denomination is perfect, no church is perfect and no pastor is perfect BUT we serve a perfect God and He told us to assemble together. Laura
I will give you my two bits worth. It is you, Martin. You have a party spirit. You are the one who can't worship with others on a continuing basis.
You are the one who gives me the impression if we can't understand your questions without answers, we are not spiritual.
You are the one who ha
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What is a party spirit? Laura
Like I said What is a party spirit? Laura
What is a party spirit? Laura
1CO 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you
as unto spiritual, but
as unto
carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.1CO 3:2 I
have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye
were not
able [to bear it], neither y
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We do not belong to a denomination and we do not believe in a party spirit, which is one of the fruits of the flesh.
What is a party spirit? Laura
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Yes, I am against Christmas. It violates the truth of God.
How much does your greenhouse business benefit from the sale of poinsettas and Christmas trees? Laura
The world is going to hell and you are against Christmas. Wow! Where is a Bible verse against it? Your argument from Biblical silence is bad hermeneutics. To follow this method of Biblical interpretation is to lead to all kinds of confusion. This is what leads the C/C to call instrumental inst
Thanks Martin, for your reply. It helps me understand you much better.
1. I am not surprised you can't get along with any Christians and have to stay by yourself. You should consider you are the one in error. I say this because you can't get along, for any extended period of time, WITH ANYBOD
If I do that doesn't make it right. Wrong is wrong. I do not post on TT like Martin does. I tell you what I think, which is alway right. :-) David convinced me I am perfect. :-)
Glenn wrote:
HE COMES ACROSS WITH PIOUS ARROGANCE.
Izzy says: And you don’t
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Martin -
Quite frankly this is double talk. I have had enough of it with the
Mormons so I recognize it quite quickly. If it doesn't matter if
you are against Christmas th
Glenn wrote:
HE COMES ACROSS WITH PIOUS ARROGANCE.
Izzy says: And you don’t
Izzy, you didn't address my comments.
PS. I haven't judged Martin's motives. I don't have a clue what he is saying AND I said that. But his implication is that Christmas is a sin! I WILL TELL YOU THIS. HE COMES ACROSS WITH PIOUS ARROGANCE. Is he arrogantly pious? I don't have a clue as
know why. You are judging their motives.
Izzy
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Izzy, this kind of belief will lead to you
Izzy, this kind of belief will lead to you all sorts of extremes and into cults if you are not careful. I grew up with this anti-Christmas belief and it IS WRONG WRONG WRONG. You need to think outside the box. THERE IS ONE EXTREMIST GROUP THAT BELIEVES THE FALSE DOCTRINE that if it not in the Bi
FURTHERMORE, comment below was in response to NOT answering questions.
Glenn wrote:
> I want Bible. I don't care about what you think.
> I care about what the Bible says.
Glenn, I'm somewhat offended by your comments here. If you only care about
what they Bible says, why be on this list? Y
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I want Bible. I don't care about what you
think. I care about what the Bible says.
Marlin,
I did
not ask you the question below
If the purpose is to hear what people have to say, then Martin needs to say something. Martin needs to answer questions WHICH HE DOES NOT DO. HE IS COMING ACROSS TO ME AS SOME "I'M IN ON SOME SUPER SECRET SUPER SPIRITUAL TRUTH" AND IF YOU LOVE JESUS YOU WILL SPEND HOURS DIGGING OUT THE SECRETS.
Glenn to DavidM -- Refuse to be offended is the only way to stay on TT.
Glenn wrote:
> I want Bible. I don't care about what you think.
> I care about what the Bible says.
Glenn, I'm somewhat offended by your comments here. If you only care about
what they Bible says, why be on this list? You
Glenn wrote:
> I want Bible. I don't care about what you think.
> I care about what the Bible says.
Glenn, I'm somewhat offended by your comments here. If you only care about
what they Bible says, why be on this list? You have a Bible, don't you?
Just go read it.
The purpose of a list like thi
I want Bible. I don't care about what you think. I care about what the Bible says.
Marlin,
I did not ask you the question below about Christmas—that came from Glenn. I find your comments very interesting. I can also see the value of not getting caught up on what are now secular holidays.
?
Izzy
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Dear Izzy,
Does it really matter to you to know
whether I am against
Martin - Quite frankly this is double talk. I have had enough of it with the Mormons so I recognize it quite quickly. If it doesn't matter if you are against Christmas then why send links. Notice that was not a question. I have to assume it matters to you or you wouldn't send links.
Just lik
Dear Izzy,
Does it really matter to you to know whether I am against
Christmas? Most people, 99%, cannot be bothered with the truth. They
are too busy.
I understand that there is only so much time.
But when the Lord brings something to my attention, it
is my duty before Him, because
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