Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when the newest > theories come out. > Yes, I know that happens sometimes. And sometimes things that are common sense remain common sense. But I think you misunderstood. I was not re

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > I agree Dave, I have been providing this explanation for several years > without any effect. I'm glad you are adding your voice. The critical point > at which the temperature must be reduced depends on the degree of thermal > contact between

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > As dave explains it makes sense if the energy input provides cooling power. > > > Exactly. The whole thing is nuts. If it really needed to be regulated, it would make sense to regulate with temperature controlled cooling.

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > If we are going to do analogies, a more useful one would be to compare the > Rossi reactor to an internal combustion engine ICE. With an ICE you have to > apply the spark periodically to small portions of the fuel to trigger the > reaction.

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Roberson wrote: > There seems to be a serious hangup over why a heat generating device needs > some form of heating input to sustain itself. The skeptics can not seem to > get their arms around this issue so I will make another short attempt to > explain wh

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Joshua Cude wrote: > > A match is needed to ignite a firecracker, but once ignited, the >> explosion sustains itself. >> >> >> A match is needed to start a campfire, but not to sustain it. >> > > Cold fusion is not fire. It does not w

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > >> >> I'm not talking about initiating. I'm talking about sustaining. I have no >> problem using electricity to initiate the ecat. But if it's a source of >> energy, it should behave l

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-05-30 Thread James Bowery
I asked Ed to try to find another keyword for precisely that reason. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > What is a Hydroton? I googled the term and all I could find > were references to a clay-based plant growing medium much prized by > marijuana growers ... > > [mg] > > On Thu

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-05-30 Thread Mark Gibbs
What is a Hydroton? I googled the term and all I could find were references to a clay-based plant growing medium much prized by marijuana growers ... [mg] On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Harry Veeder wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms > > > wrote: > >> Harry, imagine bal

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > >> >> I suspect "hand waving" began as a derisive reference to occult >> activities since these might involve the waving of hands and/or a wand. . >> > > You would be completely wrong. In

Re: [Vo]:A sum rule for charged elementary particles

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
How dipole concentration and charge separation disrupt atomic processes. Part one the discovery of the Oklo natural nuclear reactor This post will explore the subject of naturally-occurring nuclear fission reactions, focusing on the reactors of Gabon, Africa, which were operational approximatel

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-05-30 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: > Harry, imagine balls held in line by springs. If the end ball is pull away > with a force and let go, a resonance wave will pass down the line. Each > ball will alternately move away and then toward its neighbor. If outside > energy is suppl

RE: [Vo]:A sum rule for charged elementary particles

2013-05-30 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Axil, Thanks for the reference; yes, I've scanned it and it is of interest. "Charge and dipoles shapes the vacuum and also the speed that light travels through it." And that 'shaping' of the vacuum is what we know of as E and B 'fields'. and I would bet that the B field is perpendicular to th

[Vo]:Re: A sum rule for charged elementary particles

2013-05-30 Thread Mark Jurich
The quantum vacuum as the origin of the speed of light : http://arxiv.org/pdf/1302.6165.pdf - Mark From: Axil Axil Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:31 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:A sum rule for charged elementary particles http://csglobe.com/new-research-shows-the-speed-of-light-is-varia

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Mark Gibbs
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > I suspect "hand waving" began as a derisive reference to occult > activities since these might involve the waving of hands and/or a wand. . > You would be completely wrong. In fact, that is perhaps the most ridiculous conclusion anyone has

Re: [Vo]:A sum rule for charged elementary particles

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
http://csglobe.com/new-research-shows-the-speed-of-light-is-variable-in-real-space/ New Research Shows the Speed of Light is Variable in Real Space Two new studies to be published in the European Physical Journal D demonstrate that the speed of light is variable in real space. Textbook explanatio

RE: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread DJ Cravens
NRL has and others have done work with zeolites. The silica gel that Patterson used was not added to the powder but the Ni was reduced as it was contained in the material. With C, silica, zeolite,... the idea is to "grow" the Ni within the pores of the material and thus limit it size. D

[Vo]:A sum rule for charged elementary particles

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.3923v1.pdf A sum rule for charged elementary particles This paper draws a connection between charge and the behavior of the vacuum in a region. Charge and dipoles shapes the vacuum and also the speed that light travels through it. Increase the charge in a vacuu

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > If we abandon this rule, or if we call it "hand waving" as Gibbs does >> here, progress in science will come to a halt. >> > > I think there's been a simple misunderstanding of terms.

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
I think this is more about who is the gatekeeper to the ideology and business of science rather than any exercise in ethics. The gatekeeper class resents this clique of stiff necked maverick scientists who have the temerity to violate the status quo and defies the picking order in their professio

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: If we abandon this rule, or if we call it "hand waving" as Gibbs does here, > progress in science will come to a halt. > I think there's been a simple misunderstanding of terms. As an amateur anthropologist of scientists, I gather that "hand

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: If we are going to do analogies, a more useful one would be to compare the > Rossi reactor to an internal combustion engine ICE. With an ICE you have to > apply the spark periodically to small portions of the fuel to trigger the > reaction. Cud

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Randy wuller wrote: ** > My speculation is that based on this report the scientific community will > likely pay more attention to the developments in this area and will await > further testing and other disclosures before taking active steps to > investigate. So

Re: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Teslaalset wrote: I wonder whether silica would do the job to prevent sintering of Ni (powder > or layered on top) > In a related connection, there are some very interesting experiments involving zeolite substrates (microporous aluminosilicate minerals), with pall

Re: [Vo]:Comment by Anderson at Forbes

2013-05-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I’m a Professor Ameritus in Electrical Engineering ... Everything I read in > the 29 page report, and following challenges as answered by the authors, > seems extremely convincing. All objections, typically suggesting fraud, are > not to me at

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

2013-05-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:51 PM, wrote: > More interesting is when the electron is at "perigee" Clearly this is based on the Bohr model, obsolete; but, could you explain a bit more?! :) If you believe in Puthoff's explanation for the non-radiating electron, there is a rapid exchange occurring

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Berke Durak
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > I don't buy it. The reactor is a sealed faraday cage, so it's not going to > care about ripple or dc vs ac. It's just a thermal interface. The reactor might require or might be incompatible with low-frequency AC magnetic fields, which can go

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat CB radio RF generation

2013-05-30 Thread Ron Wormus
I notice that in the pictures they are twisted pairs; could it be a "transmission line". --On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:57 PM -0400 David L Babcock wrote: If plenty of power is available, and stringent RF interference specs don't need to be met, the simple wires will work fine. But I must

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:“The Lithium Problem”

2013-05-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
What if LENR = dark/vacuum energy = http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.4507 On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Axil Axil wrote: > Big-bang nucleosynthesis (BBN) theory, together with the precise WMAP > cosmic baryon density, makes tight predictions for the abundances of the > lightest elements. > > > > Deuterium

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

2013-05-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is not a quantum mechanical model. The actual wavefunction for anjy n, l=0 is spherical. 2013/5/30 Axil Axil > To my best understanding, in energetic hydrogen the electron orbits move > further away from the nucleus, not closer. > > * * > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sommerfeld_elli

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
To my best understanding, in energetic hydrogen the electron orbits move further away from the nucleus, not closer. * * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sommerfeld_ellipses.svg Quantum mechanically a state with abnormally high *n* refers to an atom in which the valence electron(s) have been e

Re: [Vo]:some more information about the december 2012 Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Claudio C Fiorini wrote: > In the Levi report, the test started 13 of december and ended 17 of > december. This is compatible with this article. Maybe, it was decided later > to continue the test after december 15. > > This confirms (by the published picture), that during the ongoing > experimen

[Vo]:“The Lithium Problem”

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
Big-bang nucleosynthesis (BBN) theory, together with the precise WMAP cosmic baryon density, makes tight predictions for the abundances of the lightest elements. Deuterium and 4He measurements agree well with expectations, but 7Li observations lie a factor 3 - 4 below the BBN+WMAP prediction. Th

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

2013-05-30 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 30 May 2013 07:38:13 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Are you sure? Maybe not a plasma; but, possibly close. DGT >speculates that highly energized hydrogen has the electron in a >extreme elliptical orbit and, when at its apogee, the nucleus is >"exposed" for a brief

[Vo]:some more information about the december 2012 Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Claudio C Fiorini
According to an article in the swiss journal "NET Journal" that has been published earlier in february 2013, a group of business partners of Andrea Rossi visited his "new laboratory" in Ferrara the day 14 of december 2012. The group saw the ongoing experiment and could take some pictures. The pictu

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Alain Sepeda" > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:07:34 PM > thanks for the reminding. > I should not have read AE van Vogt books when teenager... > I would be mainstream and happy. Or Jack Vance, who just died aged 96 : http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/may/30/jack-vance-dies-96-scien

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
If someone is looking for an analogy they could look at the behavior of a power transistor mounted on a heat sink. For this exercise assume that the collector is directly connected to a power source. Apply enough base drive to obtain a relatively large collector current. If you adjust the

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: > Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when the newest > theories come out. . . . > > You need to realize that all knowledge does not reside within your > understanding. All of us should be open to learning new concepts and it is > about time for you to

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
thanks for the reminding. I should not have read AE van Vogt books when teenager... I would be mainstream and happy. 2013/5/30 Berke Durak > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > > That is completely wrong. In experimental science you never need to > explain > > how somethin

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Harry Veeder
The COP will be higher outside on a wintery windy night. Harry On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > I agree Dave, I have been providing this explanation for several years > without any effect. I'm glad you are adding your voice. The critical point > at which the temperature m

Re: [Vo]:Comment by Anderson at Forbes

2013-05-30 Thread James Bowery
By "Tomorrow" one presumes he means "tomorrow" in the literary sense. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Here is a comment at Forbes from someone who sounds like he should be > working on cold fusion with the rest of the superannuated geezers. Let's > see if we can find him.

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when the newest theories come out. How do you think men learned to fly heavier than air crafts when it was common sense that this was not possible. It took a couple of open minded and brilliant engineers to do what could not be done by th

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree Dave, I have been providing this explanation for several years without any effect. I'm glad you are adding your voice. The critical point at which the temperature must be reduced depends on the degree of thermal contact between the source of energy (the Ni powder) and the sink (The

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
There are advantages to using a three phase power input that have been pointed out. Measurements of 3 phase systems are done every day so this is not important. If Cude can show a real test that proves 3 phase measurements are not accurate, then someone will listen. Until that time, he can g

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Harry Veeder
As dave explains it makes sense if the energy input provides cooling power. Harry On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> . . . If you unplug a Rossi cell and try to make it self-sustain without >> input, it will melt. >> >> An analogy to fire may be useful to un

Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
I thought that the DC issue was put to rest. It can be easily shown that there is not amount of diode trickery which can be put into the control box that will confuse the primary power measurement. DC input has been eliminated so that is not an issue due to direct observation by one or more o

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Cold fusion seems to bring out the crazies. They do not think rationally and they do not understand basic science, yet they are sure they are right. I'm glad you are trying to keep them close to reality. Your patience is amazing. Ed Storms On May 30, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > . . . If you unplug a Rossi cell and try to make it self-sustain without > input, it will melt. > > An analogy to fire may be useful to understanding, but you cannot engineer > a reactor based on analogies. > If we are going to do analogies, a more useful one would be to compare the R

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
There seems to be a serious hangup over why a heat generating device needs some form of heating input to sustain itself. The skeptics can not seem to get their arms around this issue so I will make another short attempt to explain why this is important. To achieve a high value of COP the ECAT

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com>> wrote: A match is needed to ignite a firecracker, but once ignited, the explosion sustains itself. A match is needed to start a campfire, but not to sustain it. Cold fusion is not fire. It does not work the same way. Evidently, Rossi's

[Vo]:Rossi Q&A on his blog

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
New Q & A Between Nextme.it and Andrea Rossi http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/05/new-q-a-between-nextme-it-and-andrea-rossi/comment-page-1/ Below is a Q & A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics. The questions were submitted by Roberta De Carolis from the Italian web site NextMe.it and answered by A

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
William Beaty wrote: > Whoa! That seems precipitous. He did not seem so bad to me. >> > > It was temporary, but may be permanent. Well, it isn't for me to tell you how to run things but . . . I hope you issue a polite warning before you ban someone. As you said, perhaps he did not read the ru

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

2013-05-30 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 29 May 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: Whoa! That seems precipitous. He did not seem so bad to me. It was temporary, but may be permanent. Crackpot or no, if someone simply cannot lower themselves to obeying the one basic rule here, and absolutely will not apologize or even admit to slight

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > I'm not talking about initiating. I'm talking about sustaining. I have no > problem using electricity to initiate the ecat. But if it's a source of > energy, it should behave like one and be able to at least power itself. > > > A match is ne

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher wrote: > > The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me. > > Gee .. I'd better take my Electric clothes dryer in for de-obfuscating. > > And there I was thinking it was trapped lint. > That's hilarious! > You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. This is a test r

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Joshua Cude" > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:16:19 PM > The paper says they *replaced* the triac with a control box. OK -- in fig 6 (Dec) they show a blue-and-yellow CONTROL box and three triacs. They don't have a picture for March, so we don't know if it includes the functionality

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > > From: "Joshua Cude" > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:44:00 AM > > >> You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. > > > > Right, but I thought the ecat was supposed to provide the lots of > > power. > > Of THERMAL power, yes

[Vo]:Comment by Anderson at Forbes

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a comment at Forbes from someone who sounds like he should be working on cold fusion with the rest of the superannuated geezers. Let's see if we can find him. - Jed DONALD ANDERSON I’m a Professor Ameritus in Electrical Engineering, Ph.D. was in developing long-lived vacuum tubes with ni

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Joshua Cude" > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:44:00 AM >> You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. > > Right, but I thought the ecat was supposed to provide the lots of > power. Of THERMAL power, yes, not of ELECTRICAL power. > They *changed* the power for the Dec an

[Vo]:Re: Entangled proton pairs show enhanced tunneling

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
If you remember this thread as follows: * * Entangled proton pairs show enhanced tunneling – 1/31/12 Why do entangled proton pairs pass through the coulomb barrier of a heavy element nucleus with high probability in collisions with energies well below those required to breach this barrier?

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Mark, why don't you ask and quote some who actually understand cold fusion, > like myself? > Well, Ed, at least he quoted Elforsk. That's progress! The people Elforsk do not understand cold fusion but they do understand electricity, IR cameras, and the Stefan-Boltzmann law,

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > > From: "Joshua Cude" > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:38:17 AM > > > The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me. > > Gee .. I'd better take my Electric clothes dryer in for de-obfuscating. > > And there I was thinking it was trapped

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Randy wuller
Cude: You seem to be morphing into troll mode. Reasonable discussions with you are apparently at an end. Ransom - Original Message - From: Joshua Cude To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into q

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Gibbs responded to my comment, and I responded back, as follows: MG: You completely miss my point … Ruby’s argument dimisses Ethan’s argument by simply saying “you’re wrong” and citing experimental evidence that isn’t accepted outside of the LENR community. You’re right, experiment trumps theory

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 30-5-2013 20:15, Alan Fletcher wrote: From: "Joshua Cude" Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:38:17 AM The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me. You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. This is a test rig he's using, so of course it's over-engineered. When you've finis

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > > > > A device with a COP of 3 is not better than a heat pump. > > That's for MARCH, which was intentionally run at lower power, choosing > stability over COP. > Right. Three months of technical "improvements" gave a worse COP. > > The De

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread James Bowery
I should probably point out that Norman Ramsey had to threaten to resign as co-chair from the DoE panel if they did not include that in the preamble. Clearly Ramsey saw what Charles P. Beaudette has has documented in "Excess Heat": The 5 week rush to judgement after the March 1989 press conferenc

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > From: "Joshua Cude" > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:12:17 AM > > > And didn't > > the engineers at the Swedish Standards Institute test this > > configuration without success. Have those engineers given an opinion > > on the latest te

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Randy wuller wrote: > ** > Joshua: > > > First, telling us how the majority of observers feel about the report is > clearly beyond your knowledge. As Eric suggested making those claims > without proof (poll, census, etc.) is not only unscientific it is > undoubt

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Mark, why don't you ask and quote some who actually understand cold fusion, like myself? I realize you consider me a believer. However, have you considered why I have this belief? It is not based on my imagination or on a pathology. It is based on the fact that I have read and studied all o

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Joshua Cude" > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:38:17 AM > The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me. Gee .. I'd better take my Electric clothes dryer in for de-obfuscating. And there I was thinking it was trapped lint. You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. This

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Joshua Cude" > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:13:43 AM > I have not seen perfectly good reasons for it. The reasons given that > you need input heat to control the heat seem like an excuse to keep > the power connected to me. Is there another example of a reaction > triggered by heat th

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: "Joshua Cude" > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:12:17 AM > And didn't > the engineers at the Swedish Standards Institute test this > configuration without success. Have those engineers given an opinion > on the latest test? They know more than me too. They terminated the test because Ross

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Randy wuller
Joshua: You make that point all the time. It is one of your favorites, but it is really unsupported speculation and not worth considering. First, telling us how the majority of observers feel about the report is clearly beyond your knowledge. As Eric suggested making those claims without pro

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread James Bowery
As Norman Ramsey pointed out in his preamble to the DoE's original review of cold fusion: "However, even a *single* short but valid cold fusion period would be revolutionary." We are so far beyond that benchmark as to render Mark's criterion absurd. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Ruby wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
No Alan, no relationship exist between my model and the one proposed by Peter. You need to read the two ideas more carefully. I wish a relationship existed, but sadly it does not. The cluster Peter proposes to form does not occur in the same place in the material as the Hydroton, it does n

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:02 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > Eric/JC: > I've read the report twice fully, and a few other times only to verify a > specific statement. > > I still did not catch the significance that it was the output of the > control > box that was changed from 3ph to 1ph, not the inp

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Berke Durak wrote: > > In fact I said the 3-phase input to the box was particularly unnecessary > *because* only single-phase was used for the box. > > There are legitimate reasons to prefer 3-phase input. If the output > of the control box is a pulse width-modul

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Ruby
Mark Gibbs writes: "You completely miss my point ... Ruby's argument dimisses Ethan's argument by simply saying "you're wrong" and citing experimental evidence that isn't accepted outside of the LENR community. You're right, experiment trumps theory but only when you have an experiment that c

Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > >> But when they use 3-phase, when single would do, when the wiring is in >> place ahead of time, when close associates chose the instruments which are >> completely inadequate, when the

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Ruby
Yes, thank you Mark. I agree with Jed. Mark Gibbs is wrong in his reasoning It should be clear that there are experimental results that have no confirmed model to explain them. This is the history of revolutionary science, which Gibbs should be aware of. On 5/30/13 8:27 AM, MarkI-Zer

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > ** ** > > *From:* Joshua Cude > > ** ** > > First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more > dense than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) > will turn most observers away. > > ** **

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Goldwater
There seems to be some convergence between Ed's theory and Hagelstein's proposal of lossy resonance as a way to get energy out of the fused nuclei in smaller quanta. Hagelstein also has a significant patent for a phonon laser (US7411445) that may have some relevance to hydroton behavior. A wor

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Eric Walker wrote: > >> >> First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more >>> dense than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) >>> will turn most observers away. >>> >> >> Fine, so "most observe

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more dense >> than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) will >> turn most observers away. >> > > F

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > The engineers at Elforsk disagree with Cude. They do not think this was a > farce. They know much more about measuring energy and electricity than he > does, so I suppose they are correct and he is wrong. > > It doesn't really matter to m

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > That's not the opinion of the majority of observers of the case. Deception >> on this scale -- frauds and scams -- are utterly common. Scientific >> revolutions like this are very rare, e

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Rob Dingemans wrote: > Hi, > > > You probably know the famous saying "First they ignore you, then they > ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win". > It seems we are currently in the second stage and my "instinct" tells me > we might soon be entering the ne

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > >> >> > The monitoring of the input was comically inadequate, if there is any >> possibility of deception, the blank run used a different power regimen, the >> claims of power density 100 t

[Vo]:new publication

2013-05-30 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, Endless discussions re the Professors Hot Cat Report; I repeat it shows real excess heat. I wanted just to add a few ideas and a prediction for which I am responsible and accountable, see: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/05/lenr-frontline-report-undecided-battle.html Very truly

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes Eric I can, but only in terms of my theory. As you know, I believe small gaps are required that are created by stress relief. So, what would Rossi have to react Ni with to create stress in the surface? The reaction would have to result in a compound having a high melting point, low sint

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Bob Higgins" > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 5:27:51 AM > The ends were cone-shaped AISI 316 steel caps that were > "hot-hammered" into the ends. I don't think they were welded. > > This "hot-hammering" of the cone-shaped insert is a description of a > type of cold welding. Cold welding

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
On 5/30/2013 9:00 AM, Barrera, Joseph wrote: On 5/30/2013 8:27 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: it was Gibbs’ statement after it which was: “Unfortunately that’s not a sound argument…” Gibbs did not write that. Jed did. - Joe Sorry, never mind, I was looking at the wrong article. - Joe

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
On 5/30/2013 8:27 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: it was Gibbs’ statement after it which was: “Unfortunately that’s not a sound argument…” Gibbs did not write that. Jed did. - Joe

RE: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Ruby: I don't think Jed was criticizing your statement, "Cold fusion has no definitive theory - as yet, but the experimental evidence is overwhelming: anomalous heat and transmutations can occur within metallic-hydrides systems contained in small cells that sit on a table-top" it was Gibb

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Ruby
I wrote that quote... "Cold fusion has no definitive theory – as yet, but the experimental evidence is overwhelming: anomalous heat and transmutations can occur within metallic-hydrides systems contained in small cells that sit on a table-top" http://coldfusionnow.org/discovery-news-misinfor

[Vo]:Pre-loaded hydrogen fuel advancing technology

2013-05-30 Thread Ruby
It is amazing that even though the science is still a mystery, there are increasing levels of engineering advancements building the technology. Wish I had time to study more http://coldfusionnow.org/pre-loaded-hydrogen-fuel-an-engineering-answer-for-efficiency-ease-and-safety/ -- Ruby

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Harry, imagine balls held in line by springs. If the end ball is pull away with a force and let go, a resonance wave will pass down the line. Each ball will alternately move away and then toward its neighbor. If outside energy is supplied, this resonance will continue. If not, it will damp

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Teslaalse, I worry that the sintering is a result of oxidizing and cleaning it that way would destroy the geometry you are trying to retain, I would think there should be a chemical way to deoxygenate your powder in the glove and then let it dry in the inert atmosphere. A small

[Vo]:Recalescence & ECat

2013-05-30 Thread Jones Beene
“Recalescence” is very important in understanding the Rossi effect, so I have removed typos and added to a previous posting - in order to have this post indexed in the archive. From: a former commentato

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