Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic
Dr. Michael Shermer)
Yo Jed, it's not a matter of telling someone how to speak his native language.
The vocabulary of scien
s.
Michel
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From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ;
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic
Dr. Michael Shermer)
> Michel Jullian wrote:
>
>>How can
Michel Jullian wrote:
How can you persist in this attempt to reivent the terms of
electrochemistry? Whatever happens to the palladium, it is not
'electro-chemically decomposed' (the meaning of 'electrolyzed'), cf
the Faraday quote.
Yo, Michel: Don't tell a native speaker how to speak his own
From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic
Dr. Michael Shermer)
> So that no confusion remains in any reader's mind. The word electrolyze
>
"Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: [Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr.
Michael Shermer)
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent:
Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:13 PM
> Subject: [Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr.
> Michael Shermer)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, March 15,
grace the lenr.org library?
Michel
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From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: [Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr.
Michael Shermer)
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic
Dr. Michael Shermer)
> Michel, electrolysis is a process. When I said palla
good on the merits!
Michel
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From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:05 AM
Subject: [Vo]: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr.
Michael Shermer)
Do you still not see it Ed?
Mi
Harry Veeder wrote:
Cold fusion does not seem to require the temperatures and pressures of hot
fusion, but is an NAE enough?
Well, higher temperatures do promote the reaction. Fleischmann and
Pons used to trigger a boil off reaction by heating up the cell
rapidly with a pulse of joule heatin
Harry Veeder wrote:-
<>
If you've been around since the beginning Harry, you will remember that
there does indeed appear to be a temperature range for electrolytical CF to
manifest itself but, while the temperature of the cell is indeed influenced
by the input electrical power, it is not necessa
nology the
paper may be quite good on the merits!
Michel
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From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:05 AM
Subject: [Vo]: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr.
Michael Shermer)
>
Do you still not see it Ed?
Michel
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From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> I'll let you find the error yourself it's qui
Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>> I interpret "heat after death" as evidence of a self-powered system,
>> i.e. a portion of the heat produced is being consumed by the system
>> to maintain the production of excess heat.
>
> I do not think any power is consumed in heat after death, a
Harry Veeder wrote:
I interpret "heat after death" as evidence of a self-powered system,
i.e. a portion of the heat produced is being consumed by the system
to maintain the production of excess heat.
I do not think any power is consumed in heat after death, and I do
not think that power is ev
Nick Palmer wrote:
> I don't know how long you have been
> around, but Jed and I and Ed Storms and Terry Blanton have been commenting
> and arguing about this subject since the news broke in 1989.
FYI. I've been following CF on and off since 1989, when I was 24.
Harry
Nick Palmer wrote:
> Harry Veeder wrote:-
>
> < gasoline as a vapour. While you need to exert some effort to vaporise the
> gasoline, the COP is still much bigger>>
>
> No Harry, the error you made is exactly the one I pointed out using an
> accelerator (gas) pedal as an analogy. I don't know ho
k Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> Harry Veeder wrote:-
>
> < gasoline as a vapour. While you need to exert some effort to vaporise the
> gasoline, the COP is still much
Harry Veeder wrote:-
>
No Harry, the error you made is exactly the one I pointed out using an
accelerator (gas) pedal as an analogy. I don't know how long you have been
around, b
Nick Palmer wrote:
> Harry Veeder wrote:-
> < So I cam calling on them to TEST the claim. This is not engineering request.
> It is a scientific request!>>
>
> This COP you are talking about is the ratio of input electrical power to
> output heat. Jed was trying to explain to you that this figure
Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>>> point to bothering with them. We can improve the COP anytime, but
>>> that proves nothing and contributes nothing to our understanding of
>>> the phenomenon.
>>
>> It is hypothetical until you try it. It may be that the conditions
>> which they thi
Take your time, I'll go offline now. Talk to you tomorrow.
Michel
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From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> I'll let you find
I'll let you find the error yourself it's quite obvious. Same error in the two
quotes.
Michel
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael S
Harry Veeder wrote:-
<>
This COP you are talking about is the ratio of input electrical power to
output heat. Jed was trying to explain to you that this figure is only
marginally relevant to improving the CF reaction. This topic was discussed
right back at the beginning, almost 17 years ago. T
t see what your problem is.
Ed
-
Michel
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From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
Harry Veeder wrote:
point to bothering with them. We can improve
quot;Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>> > point to bothering with them. We can improve the COP anytime, but
>> > that proves nothing and
Harry Veeder wrote:
> point to bothering with them. We can improve the COP anytime, but
> that proves nothing and contributes nothing to our understanding of
> the phenomenon.
It is hypothetical until you try it. It may be that the conditions
which they think will increase the COP actual decrea
Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>> So most reseachers claim they (implicitly) know enough about the phenomena
>> to improve the COP, but it is beneath them to test this claim??
>
> No, that is not what I mean. Please read the message more carefully
> and stop putting words in my mout
Harry Veeder wrote:
So most reseachers claim they (implicitly) know enough about the phenomena
to improve the COP, but it is beneath them to test this claim??
No, that is not what I mean. Please read the message more carefully
and stop putting words in my mouth.
Anyone with knowledge of ele
Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>> What makes you sure that COP measurements are not vital to understanding
>> the phenomena?
>
> I think this question is addressed to Ed Storms, but he is probably
> sick of responding, so let me answer one last time.
>
> The required level input po
Michel Jullian wrote:
Now, Edmund, could you please refrain your own humility and kindly
recommend one of your F&P excess heat experimental papers? I am not
familiar with F&P as you know. I am looking for good experimental
papers on the subject, notably one of yours if you could advise me.
F
Harry Veeder wrote:
What makes you sure that COP measurements are not vital to understanding
the phenomena?
I think this question is addressed to Ed Storms, but he is probably
sick of responding, so let me answer one last time.
The required level input power is governed by mundane electroch
---
> From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
>
>
>> Many CF researchers like to compare CF cells to a mini nuclear fission
>> reactor, but instea
>>> COP of the order that ED described (6) would be welcome Jed. TIA
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
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>>> From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:
On 3/12/07, Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Alors, merde" is generally used to express impatience: "Alors, merde, ça
vient?"
As stated, a quotation from a book.
T
'merde'"
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From: "Terry Blanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> On 3/12/07, Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> No
Jed, who is humble too, wrote:
>... So that was a dumb thing for me to say.
Now, Edmund, could you please refrain your own humility and kindly recommend
one of your F&P excess heat experimental papers? I am not familiar with F&P as
you know. I am looking for good experimental papers on the subje
On 3/12/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-Transgenic orangutan in Michael Crighton's "Next".
Crichton.
Je ne peux pas orthographier .
T
On 3/12/07, Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No I am not him sorry, never been to Montreal. I am a real Frenchman, not a
maple syrup drinking one with a funny accent living on an unhospitable
continent :)
\/,,
`
"Alors, merde."
-Transgenic orangutan in Michael Crighton's "Next".
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From: "Terry Blanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> On 3/12/07, Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well, you would have if you
On 3/12/07, Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, you would have if you had looked carefully Terry. As recently as today, I
admitted humbly I had been wrong in stating that ozone was not deadly. I am the
humblest person you can imagine, I even go out of my way to point out my errors
er that ED described (6) would be welcome Jed. TIA
Michel
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From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
Edmund Storms wrote:
Excess energy from elect
ssage -----
>> From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
>>
>>
>>> Edmund Storms wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excess e
them.
Michel
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From: "Terry Blanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> On 3/12/07, Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks Jed but I
them all and for a reason, a link to a CF paper describing a
> COP of the order that ED described (6) would be welcome Jed. TIA
>
> Michel
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, March 12,
I wrote:
> Some papers report only the excess power normalized to volume of Pd,
> which is annoying. Especially when you have no idea what the volume
> of Pd is. See, for example, Table 10, p. 44 in this otherwise excellent paper:
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MilesManomalousea.pdf
>
> This
On 3/12/07, Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Jed but IMHO
'H'??? I have seen no evidence of this.
T
gt;
To:
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
>I wrote:
>
>>>Er... Jed, are you saying that most CF papers reporting excess heat
>>>do not report input power (or energy), nor output power (or energy) !?
>>
&
I wrote:
Er... Jed, are you saying that most CF papers reporting excess heat
do not report input power (or energy), nor output power (or energy) !?
They often report excess power or energy, which is output minus
input. Of course there are papers that report all values.
Some papers report on
Michel Jullian wrote:
Er... Jed, are you saying that most CF papers reporting excess heat
do not report input power (or energy), nor output power (or energy) !?
They often report excess power or energy, which is output minus
input. Of course there are papers that report all values. However, a
day, March 12, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> Michel Jullian wrote:
>
>>Since you know them all and for a reason, a link to a CF paper
>>describing a COP of the order that ED described (6) would be welcome Jed. TIA
>
> I cannot
Michel Jullian wrote:
Since you know them all and for a reason, a link to a CF paper
describing a COP of the order that ED described (6) would be welcome Jed. TIA
I cannot think of any offhand. Most researchers do not report input
electrolysis power for the reasons described by Ed. Mitchell S
Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> Edmund Storms wrote:
>
>>Excess energy from electrolysis is seldom over unity. Energy in
>>excess of that applied to the cell is the only important measurement
>>during such studies. My latest excess energy is about 2.5 W for a
Edmund Storms wrote:
Excess energy from electrolysis is seldom over unity. Energy in
excess of that applied to the cell is the only important measurement
during such studies. My latest excess energy is about 2.5 W for a
calorimeter with an error of about 25 mW. The cell was not designed
to ma
Michel Jullian wrote:
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
The input in my case was about 0.5 watt with 2.5 watts excess. The ratio
lo
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> The input in my case was about 0.5 watt with 2.5 watts excess. The ratio
> looks good in this
evidence of excess heat?
Michel
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
Excess energy from electrolysis is seldom over unity. Energy in excess
?
Michel
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> Excess energy from electrolysis is seldom over unity. Energy in excess
> of that applied t
: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
Michel, no one is being evasive. The data have been made public in many
publications. I identify over 1000 in my book. People who are truly
i
4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> Michel, no one is being evasive. The data have been made public in many
> publications. I identify over 1000 in my book. People who are truly
> interested in the subject can read my reviews and get the answers to
> m
Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
CF is not at the "What's the good" stage yet I am afraid. What was the COP then?
Michel
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]
at am I missing?
Michel
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From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> CF is not at the "What's the good" stage yet I am afraid. What was
CF is not at the "What's the good" stage yet I am afraid. What was the COP
then?
Michel
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
bably meant "in your experience", could you e.g. relate when you last
witnessed the effect personally Ed?
Michel
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic
s" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
> My last successful heat production was about 6 months ago. At the
> present time, the effect is initiated by chance when the required
> conditions happen
, could you e.g. relate when you last
witnessed the effect personally Ed?
Michel
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer
In answer to your qu
Paul probably meant "in your experience", could you e.g. relate when you last
witnessed the effect personally Ed?
Michel
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From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion s
In answer to your question, cold fusion is real. In fact it is more
real than is the uninformed opinion of Michael Shermer. By this I mean,
cold fusion is a phenomenon of nature that has been witnessed now by
hundreds of people. Obviously, Michael Shermer has not taken the
responsibility to le
Did anyone listen to Coast to Coast AM (replay) last night where the skeptic
Michael Shermer, director of "The Skeptics Society," kept using Cold Fusion as a
prime example of a debacle hoax.
For those working in cold fusion, is cold fusion real?
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
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