On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
JC,
you used the specific wording,
“…the evidence has not improved at all.”
OK, that is obviously not a statement of scientific fact, but I thought it
would be clear that it represents a
E-cat guy reports that he may be able to purchase an e-cat, and he asked
for advice about how to test it. I feel strongly about this, because I have
spent months in on-again, off-again negotiations to perform a test. Since I
am a veteran of failed attempts I feel I have special knowledge of how
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Do not listen to any advice from skeptics.
Yikes! Yes, by all means -- also be sure to ignore all the history of
spectacular multi million dollar scams that resulted from involving only
believers.
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Do not listen to any advice from skeptics.
Yikes! Yes, by all means -- also be sure to ignore all the history of
spectacular multi million dollar scams that resulted from involving only
believers.
I meant technical advice, such as you must do a blank
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I meant technical advice, such as you must do a blank when testing
industrial-scale equipment.
Yes. Don't run a blank. Don't check the measurement method. Just trust
Rossi's
I appreciate your advise and one thing an old engineer learns is to
never reinvent the wheel. I have learned to leverage other peoples
experience and knowledge. If I get to the first test of a single E-Cat
module and Rossi doesn't throw a hissy fit, you are invited but your
costs are yours.
Since you are going there during winter, as Rossi to install an ecat for an
open field camping, in front of his assembling factory, and stay there for
1 week, with heating.
2011/11/20 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
I appreciate your advise and one thing an old engineer learns is to
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. Don't run a blank. Don't check the measurement method. Just trust
Rossi's word that his heat exchanger evaluates the enthalpy properly. Take
it on faith.
That's not what I said, is it? You have a remarkable talent for distortion,
red herrings, and
As the purchaser, he who has the Gold, (always remember the Golden Rule,
He who has the Gold makes the Rules) we will issue the purchase order,
with our acceptance test, performance, delivery, warranty / guarantee
and other conditions such as any disputes will be heard in an Australian
court.
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
I do remember the hole in the roof PF experienced and that was a pissy
weak reactor compared to what Rossi has developed.
The table and the floor, not the roof.
I asked Martin what the hell happened to the materials from the table and
the
Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
As the purchaser, he who has the Gold, (always remember the Golden Rule,
He who has the Gold makes the Rules)
Amen.
we will issue the purchase order, with our acceptance test, performance,
delivery, warranty / guarantee and other conditions
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
That's not what I said, is it? You have a remarkable talent for
distortion, red herrings, and putting words in people's mouth. Let me
repeat what I said:
Please let me repeat what you said: I meant technical advice,
24 hours of COP 6 powered mode operation from a single E-Cat reactor,
driving steam into a heat exchanger with 1 second data logging is fine
by me. One engineer in Nasa may not agree but that is his opinion and
not mine. I'm more concerned about shutting down a runaway reactor as
Murphy and I
On 11/21/2011 4:32 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I asked Martin what the hell happened to the materials from the table
and the floor. Did they save samples of them? He said no, they didn't.
Any photos? No, they didn't bother taking any. It reminds me of the
time when Mizuno scraped off black
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
So you didn't say not to run a blank/calibration run (you know what I mean
when I shorthand that to blank)?
I repeat for the last time:
Let this company handle everything. They have the instruments. They know
the local regulations. They have done this
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I repeat for the last time:
Let this company handle everything. They have the instruments. They know
the local regulations. They have done this thousands of times before. . . .
They've tested newly invented nuclear
I have a trusted friend, a very experienced metal fabrication engineer,
who has built BIG boilers, who is Italian but Aussie born. He will
probably come along as he speaks the lingo and can arrange the 100 kW
test with the local engineering firm, if their English is not that good.
Additionally
To an engineer it is just another Black Box with inputs and outputs. The
only give away that a LENR reaction is occurring inside the Black Box is
the COP is greater than 1. Any HVAC engineer or firm would give their
last Euro to test this device as they will get high ground for any
future
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
wrote:
Good luck, Aussie, getting near it much less testing one. Or do you know
any potential customer that has? Does Jed know anyone who privately tested
the E-cat correctly and came away with positive results? Maybe
I find very little of what Krivit is saying since he visited Rossi has
much of a relationship to reality. I do not read what he says anymore.
In my opinion he has crawled out on a limb and is sawing it off.
AG
On 11/21/2011 5:12 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM,
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
wrote:
I find very little of what Krivit is saying since he visited Rossi has much
of a relationship to reality.
If it were not true, I would expect to see Quantum (a very large firm) and
NASA (well... you know NASA)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Does Jed know anyone who privately tested the E-cat correctly and came
away with positive results?
Yes, I do. Several people.
Can you name one we can check with? And if not,
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I find very little of what Krivit is saying since he visited Rossi has
much of a relationship to reality.
If it were not true, I would expect to see Quantum (a very large firm) and
NASA (well... you know NASA) to officially deny it in print.
Krivit's
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
What is your point?
That Rossi lies. He could not possibly be unable to find a working machine
in September if, as he said, he had dozens under continuous test. With the
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I do. Several people.
Can you name one we can check with?
If I could, I would, wouldn't I? As I mentioned, I am trying to get
permission to upload the photos and data. I have uploaded 1,200 documents,
so it is clear I do not hold things back for no
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
With the obviously needed tests and preparations for October 6 and 28th,
it is preposterous to believe that Rossi could come up with one working
E-cat to show an extremely important potential client and a renown agency
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Who told you that is what happened? You seem to know more about this
incident than I do
Krivit. And there has been no denial from either Quantum or NASA. Perhaps
with the
By the way, I meant all of this advice to apply to the big, 100 kW reactor.
Not the initial test of the single unit. As AG says, it would be hard to cock
that up. It is a piece of cake.
Still, it would be good to have your local HVAC engineering firm take part
in that test too, to test out their
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
By the way, I meant all of this advice to apply to the big, 100 kW
reactor. Not the initial test of the single unit. As AG says, it would be
hard to cock that up. It is a piece of cake.
I love that sort of optimism.
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Krivit. And there has been no denial from either Quantum or NASA. Perhaps
with the contacts you have you could confirm or deny the report?
Steven B. Krivit says:
November 15, 2011 at
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
.
How much is an unknown amount?
Please don't play ignorant. Or don't you know the source of this was an
Ampenergo executive in an interview with NyTeknik and he said:
*How much do you pay for the agreement?*
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
As AG says, it would be hard to cock that up. It is a piece of cake.
I love that sort of optimism. So do scammers.
Since he not going to buy the small unit, but only look at it for a
preliminary evaluation, I do not see how this could be part of a
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
How much is an unknown amount?
Please don't play ignorant. Or don't you know the source of this was an
Ampenergo executive in an interview with NyTeknik and he said:
*How much do you pay for the agreement?*
Cassarino: Unfortunately that’s
/snip/
As far as I know, his previous criminal career consisted of defrauding the
stockholders in a company in which he himself was the only stockholder.
/snip/
It looks like MY already called you on this, while I was writing, but
nevertheless:
I believe that he was accused of not actually
I meant:
Defkalion says they have NOT paid anything. Rossi says they have not paid
him anything.
I'll take their word for it, rather than your interpretation of the Google
computer's auto-translation of a Greek newspaper.
Anyway, who gives a damn how much anyone has paid to anyone else? What
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Since it did not mislead anyone, and it was clear to to everyone that it
was sloppy, I think it was annoying.
Why do you call something misleading when no one is misled?
A lot of comments I see on various forums
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
It looks like MY already called you on this, while I was writing, but
nevertheless:
I believe that he was accused of not actually processing the waste in any
significant volume, and ended up just stockpiling waste. . . .
Well, I heard he
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I meant:
Defkalion says they have NOT paid anything. Rossi says they have not paid
him anything.
I'll take their word for it, rather than your interpretation of the Google
computer's auto-translation of a Greek
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
As you well know, the skeptical theory is that the device remained hot due
to extensive preheating and the storage of energy in either some sort of
mass such as fire brick heated to high temperature or the melting of a
comparatively low temperature alloy.
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I think that defines the essential difference between me and Yugo. I look
at laws of physics, physical facts, and replications by others.
I look at the same facts and come up with different conclusions. And
Rossi's
On Nov 20, 2011, at 13:05, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
And why in the world would you trust people who install large industrial
devices? In my experience they have a lot of practical knowledge on how to
do their jobs according to instructions and protocols but not the formal
Am 20.11.2011 22:35, schrieb Charles Hope:
On Nov 20, 2011, at 13:05, Mary Yugomaryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
And why in the world would you trust people who install large industrial
devices? In my experience they have a lot of practical knowledge on how to do
their jobs according to
About Rossi judicial status re: Petroldragon, he was only convicted of the
financial stuff, as Jed said, and that was because he tried to keep the
company going by cooking the books to get loans when things were going
badly. He was found not guilty of the toxic waste trafficking stuff.
Indeed,
In general I endorse Jed's suggestion ... HVAC Engineer + your own portable
instruments as a cross-check. But I'd make sure that your specification
includes: Steam Quality : % Fluid Water % Entrained Droplets % Dry steam
Measured continuously/every T seconds/minutes/hours Electrical Input:
Mary failed to accurately read what they actually said about that
transaction. I have pointed this out to Mary before. What Defkalion said
was they had the funds ready but Rossi failed to complete the contract.
Apparently no money changed hands.
AG
On 11/21/2011 6:50 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
What you wrote is so full of incorrect statements as to finally label
you as a confirmed basher. The heat storage theory has been totally
busted. The E-Cat was lifted off the table and onto a scale to measure
the pre test weight. There is no way any heat storage could have been
hidden during
Marcello Vitale mvit...@ucsbalum.net wrote:
Indeed, that is what stopped him. He was buying what was defined as an
industrial byproduct, the spent lubricant that was, until then, simply
burned without much concern. Then, the law changed and it became toxic
waste. Immediately, somebody who did
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:07 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!
What you wrote is so full of incorrect statements as to finally label you as
a confirmed basher. The heat storage theory has been totally busted. The
E-Cat
Went to Washington yesterday. Met with a company VP's with connections at the
navy labs.
Signed a non disclosure. Made a plan, and cant say a thing. I know this
sounds like a bunch
of hokes pokes too. It's real and that's the way things happen. Its not all
blab blab blab on the internet.
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
in one post he
states that there has been NO improvement in CF/LENR evidence at all since
1989. This is total BS... just look at Jed's website for hundreds of
papers, many of which have heat in excess of
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
As you well know, the skeptical theory is that the device remained hot
due to extensive preheating and the storage of energy in either some sort
of mass such as fire brick heated
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
It will take some time with Arata's because while it seems clear enough,
it's written in a very convoluted way and the figures take a lot of work to
understand. It's not how a modern paper should be organized and
From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
in one post he states
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