Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Do not listen to any advice from skeptics. > Yikes! Yes, by all means -- also be sure to ignore all the history of spectacular multi million dollar scams that resulted from involving only believers.

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Mary Yugo wrote: > > Do not listen to any advice from skeptics. >> > > Yikes! Yes, by all means -- also be sure to ignore all the history of > spectacular multi million dollar scams that resulted from involving only > believers. > I meant technical advice, such as "you must do a blank when test

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > I meant technical advice, such as "you must do a blank when testing > industrial-scale equipment." > Yes. Don't run a blank. Don't check the measurement method. Just trust Rossi's word that his heat exchanger evaluat

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I appreciate your advise and one thing an old engineer learns is to never reinvent the wheel. I have learned to leverage other peoples experience and knowledge. If I get to the first test of a single E-Cat module and Rossi doesn't throw a hissy fit, you are invited but your costs are yours. Nev

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Since you are going there during winter, as Rossi to install an ecat for an open field camping, in front of his assembling factory, and stay there for 1 week, with heating. 2011/11/20 Aussie Guy E-Cat > I appreciate your advise and one thing an old engineer learns is to never > reinvent the whee

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Mary Yugo wrote: Yes. Don't run a blank. Don't check the measurement method. Just trust > Rossi's word that his heat exchanger evaluates the enthalpy properly. Take > it on faith. That's not what I said, is it? You have a remarkable talent for distortion, red herrings, and putting words in

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As the purchaser, he who has the Gold, (always remember the Golden Rule, "He who has the Gold makes the Rules") we will issue the purchase order, with our acceptance test, performance, delivery, warranty / guarantee and other conditions such as any disputes will be heard in an Australian court.

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Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > I do remember the hole in the roof P&F experienced and that was a pissy > weak reactor compared to what Rossi has developed. The table and the floor, not the roof. I asked Martin what the hell happened to the materials from the table and the floor. Did they save samp

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Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: As the purchaser, he who has the Gold, (always remember the Golden Rule, > "He who has the Gold makes the Rules") Amen. > we will issue the purchase order, with our acceptance test, performance, > delivery, warranty / guarantee and other conditions such as any dispute

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > That's not what I said, is it? You have a remarkable talent for > distortion, red herrings, and putting words in people's mouth. Let me > repeat what I said: > Please let me repeat what you said: "I meant technical advice, such as "you mu

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24 hours of COP 6 powered mode operation from a single E-Cat reactor, driving steam into a heat exchanger with 1 second data logging is fine by me. One engineer in Nasa may not agree but that is his opinion and not mine. I'm more concerned about shutting down a runaway reactor as Murphy and I a

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On 11/21/2011 4:32 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I asked Martin what the hell happened to the materials from the table and the floor. Did they save samples of them? He said no, they didn't. Any photos? No, they didn't bother taking any. It reminds me of the time when Mizuno scraped off black material

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Mary Yugo wrote: > So you didn't say not to run a blank/calibration run (you know what I mean > when I shorthand that to "blank")? > I repeat for the last time: "Let this company handle everything. They have the instruments. They know the local regulations. They have done this thousands of tim

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I repeat for the last time: > > "Let this company handle everything. They have the instruments. They know > the local regulations. They have done this thousands of times before. . . . > They've tested newly invented nuclear fusion reactors

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I have a trusted friend, a very experienced metal fabrication engineer, who has built BIG boilers, who is Italian but Aussie born. He will probably come along as he speaks the lingo and can arrange the 100 kW test with the local engineering firm, if their English is not that good. Additionally

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To an engineer it is just another Black Box with inputs and outputs. The only give away that a LENR reaction is occurring inside the Black Box is the COP is greater than 1. Any HVAC engineer or firm would give their last Euro to test this device as they will get high ground for any future work.

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Good luck, Aussie, getting near it much less testing one. Or do you know any potential customer that has? Does Jed know anyone who privately tested the E-cat correctly and came away with positive results? Maybe actually ordered one? Oh

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I find very little of what Krivit is saying since he visited Rossi has much of a relationship to reality. I do not read what he says anymore. In my opinion he has crawled out on a limb and is sawing it off. AG On 11/21/2011 5:12 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Aussie

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Mary Yugo wrote: Does Jed know anyone who privately tested the E-cat correctly and came away > with positive results? Yes, I do. Several people. > Maybe actually ordered one? > No idea if they ordered one. But for some reason, Rossi's machine wouldn't start when either of those > partie

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: I find very little of what Krivit is saying since he visited Rossi has much > of a relationship to reality. > If it were not true, I would expect to see Quantum (a very large firm) and NASA (well... you know NASA) to officially deny it in

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > Does Jed know anyone who privately tested the E-cat correctly and came >> away with positive results? > > > Yes, I do. Several people. > Can you name one we can check with? And if not, why has nobody spoken out and wri

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Mary Yugo wrote: > I find very little of what Krivit is saying since he visited Rossi has >> much of a relationship to reality. >> > > If it were not true, I would expect to see Quantum (a very large firm) and > NASA (well... you know NASA) to officially deny it in print. > Krivit's statement t

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > > What is your point? > That Rossi lies. He could not possibly be unable to find a working machine in September if, as he said, he had dozens under continuous test. With the obviously needed tests and preparations for

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Mary Yugo wrote: > Yes, I do. Several people. >> > > Can you name one we can check with? > If I could, I would, wouldn't I? As I mentioned, I am trying to get permission to upload the photos and data. I have uploaded 1,200 documents, so it is clear I do not hold things back for no reason. If I

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > With the obviously needed tests and preparations for October 6 and 28th, > it is preposterous to believe that Rossi could come up with one working > E-cat to show an extremely important potential client and a renown agency > like NASA. > Oo

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > > Who told you that is what happened? You seem to know more about this > incident than I do > Krivit. And there has been no denial from either Quantum or NASA. Perhaps with the contacts you have you could confirm o

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By the way, I meant all of this advice to apply to the big, 100 kW reactor. Not the initial test of the single unit. As AG says, it would be "hard to cock that up." It is a piece of cake. Still, it would be good to have your local HVAC engineering firm take part in that test too, to test out thei

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > By the way, I meant all of this advice to apply to the big, 100 kW > reactor. Not the initial test of the single unit. As AG says, it would be > "hard to cock that up." It is a piece of cake. I love that sort of optimism. So do scammers.

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Mary Yugo wrote: Krivit. And there has been no denial from either Quantum or NASA. Perhaps > with the contacts you have you could confirm or deny the report? > > "Steven B. Krivit says: > November 15, 2011 at > 08:57

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: . > > How much is an unknown amount? > Please don't play ignorant. Or don't you know the source of this was an Ampenergo executive in an interview with NyTeknik and he said: *"How much do you pay for the agreement?* Cassarino: Unfortunately

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Mary Yugo wrote: > As AG says, it would be "hard to cock that up." It is a piece of cake. > > > I love that sort of optimism. So do scammers. > Since he not going to buy the small unit, but only look at it for a preliminary evaluation, I do not see how this could be part of a scam. The big re

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Mary Yugo wrote: > How much is an unknown amount? >> > > Please don't play ignorant. Or don't you know the source of this was an > Ampenergo executive in an interview with NyTeknik and he said: > > *"How much do you pay for the agreement?* > > Cassarino: Unfortunately that’s confidential. > Oka

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/snip/ " As far as I know, his previous criminal career consisted of defrauding the stockholders in a company in which he himself was the only stockholder." /snip/ It looks like MY already called you on this, while I was writing, but nevertheless: I believe that he was accused of not actually

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I meant: Defkalion says they have NOT paid anything. Rossi says they have not paid him anything. I'll take their word for it, rather than your interpretation of the Google computer's auto-translation of a Greek newspaper. Anyway, who gives a damn how much anyone has paid to anyone else? What dif

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Since it did not mislead anyone, and it was clear to to everyone that it > was sloppy, I think it was annoying. > > Why do you call something misleading when no one is misled? > A lot of comments I see on various forums suggest hundreds

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Robert Leguillon wrote: It looks like MY already called you on this, while I was writing, but > nevertheless: > I believe that he was accused of not actually processing the waste in any > significant volume, and ended up just stockpiling waste. . . . Well, I heard he was convicted of defrauding

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I meant: > > Defkalion says they have NOT paid anything. Rossi says they have not paid > him anything. > > I'll take their word for it, rather than your interpretation of the Google > computer's auto-translation of a Greek newspaper. > > Anyw

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Mary Yugo wrote: > As you well know, the skeptical theory is that the device remained hot due > to extensive preheating and the storage of energy in either some sort of > mass such as fire brick heated to high temperature or the melting of a > comparatively low temperature alloy. > Oh, yes, I k

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I think that defines the essential difference between me and Yugo. I look > at laws of physics, physical facts, and replications by others. > I look at the same facts and come up with different conclusions. And Rossi's work has never been

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On Nov 20, 2011, at 13:05, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > And why in the world would you trust people who install large industrial > devices? In my experience they have a lot of practical knowledge on how to > do their jobs according to instructions and protocols but not the formal > education t

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Am 20.11.2011 22:35, schrieb Charles Hope: On Nov 20, 2011, at 13:05, Mary Yugo wrote: And why in the world would you trust people who install large industrial devices? In my experience they have a lot of practical knowledge on how to do their jobs according to instructions and protocols

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About Rossi judicial status re: Petroldragon, he was only convicted of the financial stuff, as Jed said, and that was because he tried to keep the company going by cooking the books to get loans when things were going badly. He was found not guilty of the toxic waste trafficking stuff. Indeed, tha

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In general I endorse Jed's suggestion ... HVAC Engineer + your own portable instruments as a cross-check. But I'd make sure that your specification includes: Steam Quality : % Fluid Water % Entrained Droplets % Dry steam Measured continuously/every T seconds/minutes/hours Electrical Input: Ensur

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Mary failed to accurately read what they actually said about that transaction. I have pointed this out to Mary before. What Defkalion said was they had the funds ready but Rossi failed to complete the contract. Apparently no money changed hands. AG On 11/21/2011 6:50 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

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What you wrote is so full of incorrect statements as to finally label you as a confirmed basher. The heat storage theory has been totally busted. The E-Cat was lifted off the table and onto a scale to measure the pre test weight. There is no way any heat storage could have been hidden during th

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Marcello Vitale wrote: Indeed, that is what stopped him. He was buying what was defined as an > industrial byproduct, the spent lubricant that was, until then, simply > burned without much concern. Then, the law changed and it became toxic > waste. Immediately, somebody who did not like him or hi

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guy.e...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:07 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company! What you wrote is so full of incorrect statements as to finally label you as a confirmed basher. The heat storage theory has been totally busted. The

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Went to Washington yesterday. Met with a company VP's with connections at the navy labs. Signed a non disclosure. Made a plan, and cant say a thing. I know this sounds like a bunch of hokes pokes too. It's real and that's the way things happen. Its not all blab blab blab on the internet.

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > in one post he > states that there has been NO improvement in CF/LENR evidence at all since > 1989. This is total BS... just look at Jed's website for hundreds of > papers, many of which have heat in excess

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> As you well know, the skeptical theory is that the device remained hot >> due to extensive preheating and the storage of energy in either some sort >> of mass such as fire brick heated to high temperature or the melti

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > It will take some time with Arata's because while it seems clear enough, > it's written in a very convoluted way and the figures take a lot of work to > understand. It's not how a modern paper should be organized and > illustrated. It looks li

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al analyses, and more of the above kinds of statements.. -Mark From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company! On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Mark Iverson-Z

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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > JC, > > you used the specific wording, > > “…the evidence has not improved at all.” > OK, that is obviously not a statement of scientific fact, but I thought it would be clear that it represents a