[Finale] Finale vs Sibelius

2004-08-24 Thread Henry Howey
The biggest factor now is the toolbox for SMARTMUSIC that will never be in Sibelius. As an applied teacher, you need to run, not walk, to the SMARTMUSIC site and get a license. I was just told that my Finale2005 is on the loading dock in Minnesota; however, the toolbox for turning FINALE into S

[Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius

2006-10-03 Thread Bob Shuster
After many years hiatus from the music biz I am dusting off the old onion skins and getting back into writing. The last version of Finale I used in earnest was Finale 98, but I have seen and experimented with both Finale 2006/2007 and Sibelius 4.xx. I do have a lot of old music in the Fin

[Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius

2006-10-03 Thread music
Bob Shuster wrote: *SO*, what's the advice?  Do I stick with Finale or do the Sibelius crossgrade?  What I have seen of the new Finale - it looks pretty much the same as Finale 98, except with Aqua-looking buttons and a lot of consumer-level features added that I'll never use.  Sibelius on the oth

[Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius

2006-10-03 Thread music
Bob Shuster wrote: *SO*, what's the advice?  Do I stick with Finale or do the Sibelius crossgrade?  What I have seen of the new Finale - it looks pretty much the same as Finale 98, except with Aqua-looking buttons and a lot of consumer-level features added that I'll never use.  Sibelius on the oth

[Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius

2006-10-03 Thread Jonathan Smith
After many years hiatus from the music biz I am dusting off the old onion skins and getting back into writing.  The last version of Finale I used in earnest was Finale 98, but I have seen and experimented with both Finale 2006/2007 and Sibelius 4.xx.  I do have a lot of old music in the Finale 98 f

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius

2006-10-03 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 03.10.2006 Bob Shuster wrote: *SO*, what's the advice? Do I stick with Finale or do the Sibelius crossgrade? What I have seen of the new Finale - it looks pretty much the same as Finale 98, except with Aqua-looking buttons and a lot of consumer-level features added that I'll never use. S

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius

2006-10-03 Thread dhbailey
Bob Shuster wrote: After many years hiatus from the music biz I am dusting off the old onion skins and getting back into writing. The last version of Finale I used in earnest was Finale 98, but I have seen and experimented with both Finale 2006/2007 and Sibelius 4.xx. I do have a lot of old m

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius

2006-10-03 Thread Christopher Smith
On Oct 3, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Bob Shuster wrote: One other consideration is that I'd *really* like to use the Golden Age font - however I am confidant that I can modify it for use in either application. Golden Age should work fine in Finale, either platform, though you would have to have the

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius

2006-10-03 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Bob Shuster wrote: What I have seen of the new Finale - it looks pretty much the same as Finale 98, except with Aqua-looking buttons I can't speak for Sibelius in this regard, but there is the ability in Finale, to set the "look and feel" to much closer to the way the look and feel operated in

Lyrics (was Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius ...)

2004-06-05 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 5, 2004, at 12:22 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Auto word extensions slow down the Mac version of 2004 something awful. Taking lyrics into account for music spacing (this has been part of Finale for a long time, I admit) sometimes gives really odd results, like if you have a long syllab

Lyrics [was Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius ...]

2004-06-05 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Eric wrote: Lyric tool works well. to which Mark responded Really? Lyric tool works well if you know what you're doing, or if you never do anything complicated, but it has lots of pit-traps that the unwray can fall into. And there are failings, too, such as control over hyphen behavior. prompting

Re: Lyrics (was Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius ...)

2004-06-05 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 7:21 PM -0700 6/05/04, Mark D Lew wrote: On Jun 5, 2004, at 12:22 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: And how do you shift syllables for the second verse without messing up the first verse? It's true that it is better than it was, but one still has to be careful, or major screw-ups can occur. Wow

Re: Lyrics (was Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius ...)

2004-06-05 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Christopher BJ Smith wrote, part: And how do you shift syllables for the second verse without messing up the first verse? This is one of the places I'd use the edit lyric's dialog box. It is my experience that as long as the first syllable of the line of lyric attached to each staff stays in

Re: Lyrics [was Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius ...]

2004-06-06 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 5, 2004, at 8:18 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: [responding to David Fenton's suggestion] DON'T USE TYPE INTO SCORE Once you figure that out, it's pretty easy to use. which I must say, does not match my experience at all. After several years of creating choral music in various layout pattern

[Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-03 Thread Arkady
I wonder how accurate this review is in terms of speed issues. I don't work with large scores, so it's hard for me to tell. For the 1st time buyers, Macworld endorses Sibelius. For long time users of Finale, they don't see a compelling reason for switching to Sibelius, not that I was even consider

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004Issue

2004-06-05 Thread Richard Yates
Tools -- options -- Spelling and grammar (and other tabs in this db) RY - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004Issue > > &g

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004Issue

2004-06-05 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 5, 2004, at 5:11 PM, Richard Yates wrote: [answering Eddy Wilson] Hey, Aaron, I second and third and fourth what you wrote. Would you please tell me the secret to turning off stuff in MS Word? No one in my church office seems to know. Tools -- options -- Spelling and grammar (and

RE: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Fisher, Allen
>>DON'T USE TYPE INTO SCORE<< Why? In your entire rant about not using type into score, I didn't see a clear reason why. Allen ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

RE: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jun 2004 at 12:03, Fisher, Allen wrote: > >>DON'T USE TYPE INTO SCORE<< > > Why? In your entire rant about not using type into score, I didn't see > a clear reason why. Rant? The reason not to use type in score is that it creates a text stream that doesn't really match the real text being

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
David W. Fenton wrote: The reason not to use type in score is that it creates a text stream that doesn't really match the real text being set *unless* you have very carefully ordered your typing in a way that will create a comprehensible text in the actual data store. With click assignment, you

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jun 2004 at 15:02, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > >The reason not to use type in score is that it creates a text stream > >that doesn't really match the real text being set *unless* you have > >very carefully ordered your typing in a way that will create a > >comprehens

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Where David W. Fenton writes: But [using type into score] you have to do the entry in the correct order to get the lyrics to come out comprehensibly. I would suggest instead, that one merely needs to understand how Finale places syllables in the lyrics area of the data file, in order to be able

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-03 Thread Eric Dannewitz
The thing they should work on is linking parts to a score. It's a pain in the ass to work on something, and have to remember to change the score and other parts. It would be great to have them linked (if you wanted) to a score, so, a change in a part would be reflected in the score, and vice ve

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.06.2004 7:36 Uhr, Arkady wrote > For me Mic Notator is important, and it doesn't exist in Sibelius. REally? This is the first time I hear of anyone using this. Do you really input your music with MicNotator successfully? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berol

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 10:42 PM -0700 6/03/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: The thing they should work on is linking parts to a score. It's a pain in the ass to work on something, and have to remember to change the score and other parts. It would be great to have them linked (if you wanted) to a score, so, a change in a p

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: This issue has come up before on this list, and there were a whole bunch of things discussed that I couldn't understand because I have little programming experience, but here is my main objection: What would happen to the layout of the parts when you made a change to

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 11:17 AM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Christopher BJ Smith wrote: This issue has come up before on this list, and there were a whole bunch of things discussed that I couldn't understand because I have little programming experience, but here is my main objection: What would happen to t

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:47 PM 06/04/2004, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >I'm still not getting it. If the layout has to change, then why not >re-extract the part? This is probably one of those things that comes down to each person's working habits, but since you asked When I extract parts, even with Page Layout

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I'm still not getting it. If the layout has to change, then why not re-extract the part? If you are using Finale's default layout, then you should be happy, as it is all done automatically. If you are in the habit of changing the default layout on extracted parts, the

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 2:00 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Layout would probably NOT be linked, but NOTES would. Does that make sense? I can't count how many times I've changed something in a score and FORGOT to update it in a part. Re extracting the part would be way more time consuming. The placement of

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want my > notation program to do. You seem to assume a number of things: 1. layout in the linked part would not be as fully adjustable as layout in an extracted part. 2. the impl

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:55 PM 06/04/2004, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >For example, I HATE the way Microsoft Word >makes assumptions about what I want done with my typing, like >"correcting" my spelling without telling me, or putting bullets or >numbers when I hit carriage return. You know you can turn all of that o

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Once again, my little copying routine that I noted is so easy, that I can hardly imagine justifying the kind of rewriting it would take to accomplish linking ONLY notes in Finale. And doesn't anyone edit anything else? But if you find yourself doing this a LOT, would

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want my notation program to do. You seem to assume a number of things: 1. layout in the linked part would not be as fully adjustable as layout in an extracted

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Jun 2004 at 20:36, dhbailey wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > > On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > > > >>I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want > >>my notation program to do. > > > > > > You seem to assume a number of things: > > > > 1. la

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 7:50 PM -0400 6/04/04, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 06:55 PM 06/04/2004, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: For example, I HATE the way Microsoft Word makes assumptions about what I want done with my typing, like "correcting" my spelling without telling me, or putting bullets or numbers when I hit carriage

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 7:50 PM -0400 6/04/04, David W. Fenton wrote: On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want my notation program to do. You seem to assume a number of things: 1. layout in the linked part would not be as fully adjustable a

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 5:35 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Once again, my little copying routine that I noted is so easy, that I can hardly imagine justifying the kind of rewriting it would take to accomplish linking ONLY notes in Finale. And doesn't anyone edit anything else?

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: At 7:50 PM -0400 6/04/04, David W. Fenton wrote: On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want my notation program to do. You seem to assume a number of things: 1. layout in the linked part would

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: You know, this is what I was referring to when I mentioned experienced programmers seeming to see things that I don't. I don't understand the term "relational database." Maybe if I did, I would "get" what all you guys want out of Finale. Relational databases. See ht

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 4, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Lyric tool works well. Really? Lyric tool works well if you know what you're doing, or if you never do anything complicated, but it has lots of pit-traps that the unwray can fall into. And there are failings, too, such as control over hyphen be

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 9:29 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I just think that if you are going to have to re-jig almost every aspect of your part layout once you change something, why not just re-extract parts again? Why do you think that? Say you change 8 measures of music, is th

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 9:29 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Thats like letting Finale print the parts for you. I can't ever remember doing that and liking the results. It would be great to keep a score and the parts together in ONE file, and have separate layouts for each. Then you can change the music, bu

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Jun 2004 at 0:11, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > At 7:50 PM -0400 6/04/04, David W. Fenton wrote: > >On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > > > >> I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want > >> my notation program to do. > > > >You seem to assume a num

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Jun 2004 at 0:17, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > At 5:35 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > >Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > > > >>Once again, my little copying routine that I noted is so easy, that > >>I can hardly imagine justifying the kind of rewriting it would take > >>to accomplish

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Jun 2004 at 22:17, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Jun 4, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > > > Lyric tool works well. > > Really? Lyric tool works well if you know what you're doing, or if > you never do anything complicated, but it has lots of pit-traps that > the unwray can fall into. A

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Jun 2004 at 1:34, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > At 9:29 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > >Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > >> > >>I just think that if you are going to have to re-jig almost every > >>aspect of your part layout once you change something, why not just > >>re-extract parts

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Jun 2004 at 1:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > Now comes the hard part: How far away is Finale's structure from a > relational database to be able to accomplish this in a reasonable > number of programmer hours? Finale's data is already stored in a database. Whether it's truly relational o

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 2:49 PM -0400 6/05/04, David W. Fenton wrote: On 5 Jun 2004 at 0:17, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > Well, I have a couple of macros to accomplish it. Mostly I want to keep control. I re-extract when I see the need, and use the routine I outlined when it would create less work. But why do you s

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Jun 2004 at 14:59, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > Did you see my reply enumerating what I thought such a architecture > should contain? Do you see anything missing? Yes -- I replied to your earlier messages before reading that. You described it quite well, I thought. I'd *love* to have the

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 2:52 PM -0400 6/05/04, David W. Fenton wrote: But, of course, I thought we were discussing examples of subcomponents of Finale that were majorly overhauled and then never worked right any more. When has the Lyrics subsystem been overhauled and exactly what ended up badly broken? Auto word extens

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 2:58 PM -0400 6/05/04, David W. Fenton wrote: On 5 Jun 2004 at 1:34, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > At 9:29 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > >Why do you think that? Say you change 8 measures of music, is that >going to screw up the whole page format? Yes! If you have added notes wher

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 3:04 PM -0400 6/05/04, David W. Fenton wrote: On 5 Jun 2004 at 1:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Now comes the hard part: How far away is Finale's structure from a relational database to be able to accomplish this in a reasonable number of programmer hours? Finale's data is already stored in

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Jun 2004 at 15:38, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > At 3:04 PM -0400 6/05/04, David W. Fenton wrote: > >If find that extracting parts is one of the most unpleasant parts of > >Finale -- I put it off and put it off, especially because after > >proofing the first run of them, I always have to go

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Thank you! That is what I have been hinting at. David W. Fenton wrote: The key distinction between data stored in a spreadsheet and data stored in a relational database is that the latter separates data storage from data presentation, whereas in a spreadsheet, the place where you store the data

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 4:22 PM -0400 6/05/04, David W. Fenton wrote: On 5 Jun 2004 at 15:38, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > If the rhythmic content of the measures is not too different, try my method for copying changes. It really is fast. A whole big band chart in about ten minutes, I kid you not. Well, that will w

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-05 Thread musicminister
> >For example, I HATE the way Microsoft Word > >makes assumptions about what I want done with my typing, like > >"correcting" my spelling without telling me, or putting bullets or > >numbers when I hit carriage return. > > You know you can turn all of that off, right? > > Aaron. Hey, Aa

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip]> Indeed, properly it should be implemented like stylesheets for web pages. You can change the entire look of a web page (not just colors and fonts) by changing to a different stylesheet. If Finale files stored a score layout that defined systems and page layout, and

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 4 Jun 2004 at 22:17, Mark D Lew wrote: On Jun 4, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Lyric tool works well. Really? Lyric tool works well if you know what you're doing, or if you never do anything complicated, but it has lots of pit-traps that the unwray can fall in

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
David Fenton wrote: Well, as much as I complained about lyrics in my first big project with them (in August 2002), now that I learned from all the gurus here on the list, I find it pretty darned easy to use. The main point: DON'T USE TYPE INTO SCORE Once you figure that out, it's pretty easy t

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread dhbailey
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: David Fenton wrote: Well, as much as I complained about lyrics in my first big project with them (in August 2002), now that I learned from all the gurus here on the list, I find it pretty darned easy to use. The main point: DON'T USE TYPE INTO SCORE Once you figure that

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
David Bailey wrote: I know that when I have used type into score I have run into problems in editing the lyrics afterwards and in repairing mistakes I have made. I stopped using it after repeatedly trying to use it and not being able to make it work correctly. I simply use the Edit Lyrics and

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread John Howell
At 6:55 PM -0400 6/4/04, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: At 2:00 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Layout would probably NOT be linked, but NOTES would. Does that make sense? I can't count how many times I've changed something in a score and FORGOT to update it in a part. Re extracting the part

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 6, 2004, at 6:14 AM, dhbailey wrote: [answering Noel Stoutenberg, regarding Type in Score entry of lyrics] and I'd ask some examples to explain this "quirky" behavior, as type into score seems pretty straightforward to me, Select a lyric type (verse, chorus, section), and number, and type

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 6, 2004, at 5:01 AM, dhbailey wrote: Style sheets would be a fantastic addition to Finale! I could be wrong, but my sense is that incorporating style sheets directly into Finale is too impractical to even consider as a feature request to MakeMusic. What is less impractical, I think, is to

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread John Howell
At 7:50 PM -0400 6/4/04, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 06:55 PM 06/04/2004, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: For example, I HATE the way Microsoft Word makes assumptions about what I want done with my typing, like "correcting" my spelling without telling me, or putting bullets or numbers when I hit carriage r

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:13 PM 6/6/2004, John Howell wrote: >Where? How!? That might make it almost useable!!! Spelling is under Tools | Options | Spelling & Grammar -- uncheck "Check Spelling as You Type". Most other auto things are under Tools | AutoCorrect. This is Word 2000 on Win; YMMV on other platforms or

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-06 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
I wrote: OK, but the problem is not with type into score, it is with the edit dialog box, which does not properly adjust syllable assignments when one uses the edit dialog box in a manner which changes the total syllable count. to which Mark replied Correct, except for your word "properly". Th

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 6, 2004, at 6:54 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: If I have correctly deduced how Finale deals with lyrics, when a syllable is assigned to a note, the note to which it is assigned is given an attribute which is a number of syllables by which the syllable is offset from the first one. Now, ima

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread dhbailey
Mark D Lew wrote: On Jun 6, 2004, at 5:01 AM, dhbailey wrote: Style sheets would be a fantastic addition to Finale! I could be wrong, but my sense is that incorporating style sheets directly into Finale is too impractical to even consider as a feature request to MakeMusic. Finale stores page da

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Mark D Lew wrote: If Edit Lyrics were to behave like Type-in-Score, as you seem to be suggesting it might, the syllables would all be reassigned so that they remain in the same place on the page, but that is exactly what the user does NOT want in this case. I do tend to use type into score mor

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 6:14 AM -0400 6/07/04, dhbailey wrote: So it would still be possible to override things in each part if you desired to do so, and if a part were orphaned you would still be able to adjust everything, BUT you could make adjustments in the score to the layout of the parts (sort of like you can

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Jun 2004 at 8:01, dhbailey wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > [snip]> > > Indeed, properly it should be implemented like stylesheets for web > > pages. You can change the entire look of a web page (not just colors > > and fonts) by changing to a different stylesheet. If Finale files > > sto

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Jun 2004 at 8:13, dhbailey wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > > On 4 Jun 2004 at 22:17, Mark D Lew wrote: > > > > > >>On Jun 4, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Lyric tool works well. > >> > >>Really? Lyric tool works well if you know what you're doing, or if > >>yo

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Jun 2004 at 15:39, Mark D Lew wrote: > > On Jun 6, 2004, at 6:14 AM, dhbailey wrote: > > [answering Noel Stoutenberg, regarding Type in Score entry of lyrics] > > >> and I'd ask some examples to explain this "quirky" behavior, as > >> type into score seems pretty straightforward to me, Sel

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Jun 2004 at 15:56, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Jun 6, 2004, at 5:01 AM, dhbailey wrote: > > > Style sheets would be a fantastic addition to Finale! > > I could be wrong, but my sense is that incorporating style sheets > directly into Finale is too impractical to even consider as a feature > requ

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Jun 2004 at 21:13, John Howell wrote: > At 7:50 PM -0400 6/4/04, Aaron Sherber wrote: > >At 06:55 PM 06/04/2004, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > >>For example, I HATE the way Microsoft Word > >>makes assumptions about what I want done with my typing, like > >>"correcting" my spelling without te

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jun 2004 at 6:14, dhbailey wrote: > But if it's possible in web-sites with html programming, it can't be > that difficult to implement. I agreed with everything you wrote up to this point. You can't compare implementation across different domains. HTML was designed from the very beginning

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jun 2004 at 8:37, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > At 6:14 AM -0400 6/07/04, dhbailey wrote: > > > >So it would still be possible to override things in each part if you > >desired to do so, and if a part were orphaned you would still be able > >to adjust everything, BUT you could make adjustment

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:47 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: Seems to me that Lyrics got the way it is because it is an *old* subsystem, dating back to very early versions of Finale, and the changes to it have been bolted on the sides over time, making it rather baroque and nearly impossible to figure out.

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 7, 2004, at 5:24 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: (though I consider it a design flaw that when syllable counts are changed in the edit lyrics box, syllables shift from the current system to the next one, or from the next system to the current one, depending upon whether the syllable count is

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:59 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: Yes, it *is* a problem with Type in Score, since certain kinds of problems that pop up in Type in Score can only be figured out by going to Edit Lyrics. I can't remember a specific example, but with my Requiem example, that was where I got in trou

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 7, 2004, at 3:14 AM, dhbailey wrote: But if it's possible in web-sites with html programming, it can't be that difficult to implement. Right, but it's not the "web-site" that does the implementing, it's the browser. The browser is essentially an interpreter of HTML code. The analog woul

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jun 2004 at 16:12, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Jun 7, 2004, at 10:47 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > Indeed, a lot of very small changes could make Lyrics much more > > usable (like allowing resizing of the click assignment dialog -- > > geez, how frigging hard would *that* be?), > > Amen! And t

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
I wrote: (though I consider it a design flaw that when syllable counts are changed in the edit lyrics box, syllables shift from the current system to the next one, or from the next system to the current one, depending upon whether the syllable count is increased or decreased; Oops. I didn't wr

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 7:53 PM -0500 6/07/04, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: I wrote: (though I consider it a design flaw that when syllable counts are changed in the edit lyrics box, syllables shift from the current system to the next one, or from the next system to the current one, depending upon whether the syllable c

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 7, 2004, at 4:35 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Mid-90s? Looks more like late 80s to me! You're probably right. I'm habitually slow to upgrade, so I'm usually about five years behind. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.e

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread John Howell
At 2:07 PM -0400 6/7/04, David W. Fenton wrote: Don't you folks always explore the menus of programs when you start using them? With Microsoft programs on Windows, user controllable options are stored on the Tools menu, under OPTIONS. Word also has separate menu entries for Autocorrect. I don't if

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-07 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 7, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Oops. I didn't write what I really meant to say. I don't consider it a design flaw that syllables shift from one note to another, across system boundaries, but that it can happen that the syllable assigned to the last note of a particular sta

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-08 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jun 2004 at 22:41, John Howell wrote: > At 2:07 PM -0400 6/7/04, David W. Fenton wrote: > >Don't you folks always explore the menus of programs when you start > >using them? With Microsoft programs on Windows, user controllable > >options are stored on the Tools menu, under OPTIONS. Word also