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On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Try Bechtel/Kresge. You do not need a visitors card there and they have > most of the good Journals. Good tip -- I'll take a look. With the guest card I have, I can log onto the Berkeley campus-wide journal site, download PDFs for just about

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On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: One solution could be that there exists another QM theory for hydrinos > only, they could simply be a new particle in QM speak or perhaps utilzing > some new force or whatnot. Thats it and > especially when

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; > And need I remind you, that I WANT THE SUNCELL TO FAIL. > > > > > Jojo > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jones Beene > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:31 AM > *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burn

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well. And need I remind you, that I WANT THE SUNCELL TO FAIL. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:31 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? This 11 year old experiment below is basic

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This 11 year old experiment below is basically a type of SunCell without the titanium catalyst, and using different electrodes. It would have been easy to surround this reactor with photoelectric cells, for increased gain, but AFAIK – Naudin never went that far. http://bingofuel.online.fr/b

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His cute sister On Wednesday, July 30, 2014, Terry Blanton wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Jones Beene > wrote: > >Somehow, Mills’ supporters are so touchy with how they view accurate > criticism towards their golden-boy hero, > > He's a ginger: > >

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All paths lead to the quantum vacuum, we appear to be immersed in it. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Like so much in LENR theory, the hydrino is born in the process of human > concept formation. Humans understand the world by a series of observations > and then they form a co

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Like so much in LENR theory, the hydrino is born in the process of human concept formation. Humans understand the world by a series of observations and then they form a concept to try to understand those observations. It’s the duck process. If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck and it q

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On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote: >Somehow, Mills’ supporters are so touchy with how they view accurate criticism towards their golden-boy hero, He's a ginger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Kids http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s09e11-gi

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ems to me that if there was Qcond being conducted out of the >> conductor, it was ignore. That means that the energy output was >> underestimated because Qcond was not measured at all; only the temp rise in >> the calorimeter was considered. >> >> Also, the COP was 4+ base

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Bob, Excellent post. This is my sentiment exactly. Somehow, Mills’ supporters are so touchy with how they view accurate criticism towards their golden-boy hero, that they forget that like all of us, Mills can be both right and wrong on major details of the same technology… which technol

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t; > Jojo > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Bob Higgins > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:28 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? > > I thought it was important to say more explicitly why I believe the >

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From: Eric Walker What I mean is that the staff at the Doe Library have been crucial in directing me to where I could get a visitor library card, so that I could look at journal articles. Eric Try Bechtel/Kresge. You do not need a visitors card there and they have most of t

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Sure, First of all the prediction and measurements can be found in http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation.pdf Take page 76, if you follow the references there for you will find that the formula is most probable well motivated. If not you have a point

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The photon exchange seen in spectra of hydrinos comes from modifications of properties in hydrinos without changing the type of hydrino. You probably need a special QM theory for hydrinos to see them. But Mill can calculate those spectra quite well, more on this in another email. On Wed, Jul 30,

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The thing is, if you look at Mills theory it tries to model not QED but all different particles and forces just by setting up photons and charge distributions. Id do look like QED and hydrinos does not match, the hydrinos start to get good exposure as a valid theory, QED have been verified a lot an

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clined to start an argument with > you. > > > Jojo > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jed Rothwell > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:14 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? > > I did not notice thi

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y. Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? I thought it was important to say more explicitly why I believe the Mills demo calorimetry may be flawed. I hope th

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PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? I thought it was important to say more explicitly why I believe the Mills demo calorimetry may be flawed. I hope the enclosed diagram will come through to Vortex – I have seen others come through recently and I tried to make this a

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I thought it was important to say more explicitly why I believe the Mills demo calorimetry may be flawed. I hope the enclosed diagram will come through to Vortex – I have seen others come through recently and I tried to make this a small image file. If it doesn’t come through, I apologize. Since

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I wrote: I've always been a little uncomfortable with the way the testing done on > behalf of BLP at Harvard-Smithsonian CfA is characterized. > What I need to come clean with is that I've been a little unfair, here. Because it turns out that the University of California at Berkeley has provided

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On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > > Perhaps hydrinos and QM are not incompatible; for example, maybe they're > dual, as you have suggested previously. > > This has puzzled me also. A single transition is 27.2 eV which is in the uV range not visible. Higher energies are from

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On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: there is critiques stemming from not believing in hydrinos > because the feel they must give up on QM, which perhaps is not true. > Perhaps hydrinos and QM are not incompatible; for example, maybe they're

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On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: Mills spectral evidences is pretty thorough and I can't understand that if > true, it came from some other mysterious process. > Perhaps it would help if we could move beyond generalizations and get concret

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No the assumptions is really not that parameterized. It was developed to fit the atomic data, the hydrino was a consequence of that theory that came after. the theory cannot have been adjusted after that, so there is no such parameters in the theory. But the theory can produce a lot of spectral lin

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dibility. > > Is there any reason why the suncell can not be installed inside a > rudimentary Faraday cage? > > > > Jojo > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Axil Axil > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:09 AM > *Subject:* Re:

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ortex-l Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? The Sun Cell will produce a huge amount of RF. The wide spread deployment of the Sun Cell will be the end of the smart phone era. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent

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The Sun Cell will produce a huge amount of RF. The wide spread deployment of the Sun Cell will be the end of the smart phone era. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson < orionwo...@charter.net> wrote: > From Steve High > > > > > It occurred to me to consider the h

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I think the 15 MW would be a continuous smoothed-out number related to the 10 MW of electric power that the proposed final product would emit On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Steve High wrote: > > >> So how many 100 watt incandescent bulbs would be equivalent to the 15 >

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*It is not one spectral line Mills is showing, it's a battery that matches theory quite well. Now if we want to be critical consider,* The observation of the spectral line came first, then the theory was designed to fit that data. If the production of the nanostructures are consistent over time, i

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It is not one spectral line Mills is showing, it's a battery that matches theory quite well. Now if we want to be critical consider, * Is it slightly above noise, was the shown spectral lines a one in a hundred or even worse spectral capture? * Is theory predicting hundreds of spectral lines and a

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I realized this morning that I am mixing up the proposed final product with the proof of concept prototype that Mills says he can bring out in twenty weeks, which would have much less of a heat dissipation issue. Mea Culpa for that. Vortex is such an amazing sandbox to play in, gotta be real carefu

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For nanoparticles, localized surface plasmon dipole oscillations can give rise to a large range of intense colors of suspensions or sols containing the nanoparticles. Nanoparticles and nanowires exhibit strong absorption and emission bands in the ultraviolet-visible light regime that are not prese

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Jojo Iznart wrote: > I just love these revisionist historians. Whatever is politically correct > goes. Einstein did fail math when he was younger, but you won't find the > truth googling, much like you won't find it in wikipedia. > I have seen his report cards. You are incorrect. You are the

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Steve High wrote: > So how many 100 watt incandescent bulbs would be equivalent to the 15 > megawatts of excess heat energy? My math tells me 150,000. Mill's engineers > will need to come up with a way to disperse the heat of 150,000 100 watt > bulbs from a one by one by one meter box.I still th

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>From Steve High > It occurred to me to consider the heat dissipation issue in terms of > 100 watt incandescent light bulbs, acknowledging that most of the > energy emitted from an incandescent bulb is in the form of heat. So > how many 100 watt incandescent bulbs would be equivalent to the

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tion, nano antenna nano wire nano soliton EMF, > magnetic monopole, superatom, dynamically created NAE. My dog is not in > whether Hydrino is the source or something else. I don't care. All I know > for sure now is that it appears to be overunity and is a threat to my > plans. I hav

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Mills spectral evidences is pretty thorough and I can't understand that if true, it came from some other mysterious process. It match very well with the theoretical lines. It also looks like these fingerprints have been verified by third parties. But I can't find their reports for this at the websi

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I wrote: spectroscopy at Harvard CfA showed evidence (and several possible > artifacts) of continuum radiation in the 10-30 nm range from low-energy ... > There is a further lack of clarity as to the employer of the spectropists. Were they GEN3 subcontractors with no affiliation to Harvard CfA w

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On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mike Carrell wrote: That light was observed at BLP and confirmed at the Harvard-Smithsonian > Center for Astrophysics. I've always been a little uncomfortable with the way the testing done on behalf of BLP at Harvard-Smithsonian CfA is characterized. After hea

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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Mike Carrell wrote: Arc welders commonly flood t ears wit argon, a cheap inert gas, to avoid > oxidation of the metal before it cools. Ionized argon has served as a > catalyst in earlier gas phase experiments, but it plays no part in the > SunCell. > Sounds a lo

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4 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? I did not notice this. Jojo Iznart wrote: But didn't Edison have an incredibly lousy history before he perfected his lightbulb? Didn'tt Einstein fail high school algebra before he created the be

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Jojo Iznart wrote: Whatever you say my friend. > No, it is not whatever I say. It is what every history book and authoritative source says. This is not about me. > I'm not inclined to start an argument with you. > You are not inclined to do your homework, or to look up readily available f

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Whatever you say my friend. I'm not inclined to start an argument with you. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? I did not notice this.

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I did not notice this. Jojo Iznart wrote: But didn't Edison have an incredibly lousy history before he perfected his > lightbulb? > > Didn'tt Einstein fail high school algebra before he created the > beautifully elegant language of Relativity mathematics? > No, he did not fail high school alge

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; > > > - Original Message ----- > *From:* Kevin O'Malley > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 1:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? > > If you place your bet on Miills, you put it on someone with an > incredibly l

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>From Jed: ... > I judge the demo useless, as far as I could tell. I could barely hear > what the people in the video said. Maybe if I could have heard it I > would have found it more convincing. Slides would have helped, too. Mills heard similar complaints from other observers, and t

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From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? Mills remarked that there is no oxygen available. In the 20,000C plasma blast, the water will decompose into h2 and O. SO there is oxygen. On

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> Jojo > > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Axil Axil > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:37 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? > > *Mills remarked that there is no oxygen available.* > > In the 20,000

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xil > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:37 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? > > *Mills remarked that there is no oxygen available.* > > In the 20,000C plasma blast, the water will decompose into h2 and O. SO > there

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explosion. For that matter, can you think of any substance that would produce that level of explosion and blinding light from such miniscule amount? Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCe

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*Mills remarked that there is no oxygen available.* In the 20,000C plasma blast, the water will decompose into h2 and O. SO there is oxygen. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mike Carrell wrote: > > Optical instruments to quantitatively measure the radiant energy are >> s

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in an argon envelope. It is indeed a distraction. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? Speculation about titanium is a distraction, for it is not involved in

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Mike Carrell wrote: Jed resumes his traditional role as a skeptic, as he has been these many > years. > No, I was only critiquing this as a demonstration. I think it failed in that role. It failed for the general public. For insiders it might have been optimum. I cannot judge. The composition

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PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? Jojo Iznart wrote: I blamed Mills for revealing too much in his demos, now you are asking him to reveal more secrets. I don't think that's wise. Well, if he cannot reveal the chemical conte

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Mike Carrell wrote: Optical instruments to quantitatively measure the radiant energy are > standard lab equipment and can be calibrated to NIST standards. > This is a bomb calorimeter. I do not think it incorporates optical instruments. (A schematic of the calorimeter would have helped.) Plus, e

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nology seriously. I truly wish Randy would fail so that I can make a few million with my wave-powered design. Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

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o:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? > > > > Another thing that would have helped would be to trigger a chemical > explosion with a known amount of explosive, to calibrate. > > - Jed > > > __

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...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? Another thing that would have helped would be to trigger a chemical explosion with a known amount of explosive, to calibrate. - Jed

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Another thing that would have helped would be to trigger a chemical explosion with a known amount of explosive, to calibrate. - Jed

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Jojo Iznart wrote: I blamed Mills for revealing too much in his demos, now you are asking him > to reveal more secrets. I don't think that's wise. > Well, if he cannot reveal the chemical contents of the explosion, there is no point to doing it. It cannot be convincing without that information

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I hope you're right. It is in my interest to see the Suncell fail. Jojo - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? Jojo, A lot depends upo

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After the arc discharge, the TiC2 will be completely vaporized. But in microseconds, titanium nanoparticles will condense out of the plasma when the plasma temperature falls below the boiling point of titanium. There will be a timeframe when titanium will be a solid and chlorine will be a gas at a

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From: Bob Higgins Their calorimetry appears to be flawed. They have apparently modified the calorimeter to bring in huge current carrying conductors, and everyone knows that what carries current well also transports heat well… Good point Bob, and good post. There is almost no real

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A huge amount of RF radiation should be produced by the NMR active isotopes of chlorine. Chlorine has only non zero nuclear magnetic monuments in its two isotopes. Mills could capture a large amount of electric power by converting RF to electricity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectenna Like al

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. We all hope that something will arise out of this demonstration, but it does no good for us to become disappointed again. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jul 27, 2014 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? In video 1

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LENR will always occur in a nanoparticle environment when pumped by an electric discharge. This is witnessed by many experiments involving exploding foils comprised of various types of metals. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > First, the fact that the same output could be o

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First, the fact that the same output could be obtained with a 5J input is completely undocumented - it is just thrown out there and without presented demonstration or experimental data - the comment is worthless. Their calorimetry appears to be flawed. They have apparently modified the calorimete

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; > Jojo > > > BTW. He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is a shame and a > folly unto him. > > It would be good for one to properly "hear" the matter before > "answering". Maybe it is wise to watch the videos first. > > > >

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This is a fair challenge, isn't it? Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? Jojo Iznart wrote: Well, the input is 5v x 10,000A or 5J for the short

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- Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? Where, in the most recent demo video, is the calorimetry? On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: But didn&#x

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>Mills should have spent 5 or 10 minutes introducing the experiment and listing all of the materials and the potential chemical energy from various ways of reacting them. That is what McKubre did in his first book about cold >fusion, as I described here on p. 12: He does have validators saying tha

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I wrote: > What do you mean failure? Commercial failures? No, his inventions nearly > always made money. If you mean he went through several potential designs > for the lightbulb . . . > He also had some epic demonstration failures in 1878 and '79, when investors visited his house to see the lig

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Jojo Iznart wrote: Point is, he had a long string of failures before his successes. But feel > free to disagree with me. I won't hold it against you. > What do you mean failure? Commercial failures? No, his inventions nearly always made money. If you mean he went through several potential des

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Jojo Iznart wrote: > Well, the input is 5v x 10,000A or 5J for the short duration. > > Why is there a question that the explosion can achieve a high COP. In > this case, it appears to be >100. > > I am not sure where the controversy is. COP appears to be clearly > overunity. > Most explosions

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Point is, he had a long string of failures before his successes. But feel free to disagree with me. I won't hold it against you. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunC

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Jojo Iznart wrote: But didn't Edison have an incredibly lousy history before he perfected his > lightbulb? > No, he had a fabulous history. He was one of the successful and celebrated inventors in history by 1879, with breakthroughs in telegraphy, the phonograph and electricity. He often infuri

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ith Rossi, but not with the > Suncell. It is just too revolutionary in my opinion. > > > Jojo > > > > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Kevin O'Malley > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 1:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]

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Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? If you place your bet on Miills, you put it on someone with an incredibly lousy history. Period. On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Jojo Iznart wrote: In video 1, Randy shows a bomb cal

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n can achieve a high COP. In > this case, it appears to be >100. > > I am not sure where the controversy is. COP appears to be clearly > overunity. > > Jojo > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Kevin O'Malley > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* M

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From: Kevin O'Malley To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? Jones: I get the impression that Mills has been sitting on his hind quarters for at least a decade. He's brilliant. He knows how to attract invest

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Jones: I get the impression that Mills has been sitting on his hind quarters for at least a decade. He's brilliant. He knows how to attract investors to pie-in-the-sky projects that in the end, do not pan out. Now he's seeing Rossi with his demos, promises, $20M engagement with Industrial Heat,

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I thing that Jed is off base in his understanding of the audience dynamics involved. It seems to me that Mills theory is more like a religion whose recitation of its doctrinaire is very pleasurable to the Church audience. Consider the hours long religious services conducted in the large megachurc

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Excellent recommendations, Jed. That's what I was looking for. I agree, discussing theory may be interesting to some but probably not crucial for most. I'd think most investors just want to be assured that the data collected from the demonstrations is accurate because that immediately tr

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I didn't have the patience required to view the whole thing so I may have missed where he described how he metered energy in and energy out. Did he even bother? On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> The timeline for these video 1 is: >> >> 0:00 - 0:37 Mills th

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I wrote: > The timeline for these video 1 is: > > 0:00 - 0:37 Mills theory blather. > 0:37 - 1:11 Demonstrations. Much more background noise. > 1:12 - 1:20 Mills business blather. Kind of ridiculous, in my opinion. . . > . > I sound judgemental here. Let me say that I have no objection to theory

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>From Jojo: ... > It will also spell the end to my wave-powered project. > It won't make any sense to invest in wave power when such a > cheap device as the suncell exist. I would not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Not just yet. There are plenty of skeptical opinions express

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Jones, Axel, Eric, Jed, Thanks for your input about calorimetric measurements. Good to know that stuff. I'm not an expert on calormetry. I was gone most of the day attending a birthday party down in Aurora, Illinois. I believe Jed is correct. I believe a bomb calorimeter was used to me

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I watched the 2 videos and my impressions are as follows: 1. It seems like the design has undergone a lot of changes. The engineering appears to have improved based on what they've learned. I like the newest design of the suncell with a curved roof with a wash down water spray system. I thi

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Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Jed, if it is at all within the capacity of your busy schedule would you > be willing to view the June 25 video demos posted out at the BLP web site: > > > > Part 1: http://youtu.be/zGTUd68hu5M > > Part 2: http://youtu.be/rRnfuO6uQyU > Sorry, I c

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By the way, TiO was a *superatom* of *nickel*.. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The discharge of an electric arc has been experimentally shown to produce > nuclear effects. This might be true in the Sun unit. A way to tell if > nuclear reactions are occurring is the Sun unit

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The discharge of an electric arc has been experimentally shown to produce nuclear effects. This might be true in the Sun unit. A way to tell if nuclear reactions are occurring is the Sun unit reaction is to place a piece of U238 in the sun unit as a probe of nuclear activity. If the ratio of U235 t

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson < orionwo...@charter.net> wrote: Are you saying calorimeter measurements can measure sunlilght, UV and soft > X-Rays? I didn't think that was the case. Any electromagnetic radiation at these energies that is stopped within the

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > That may be the problem (or is it lack of caffeine?) 4200 cup equivalent (@95 mg/cup) and none of those nasty alkaloids: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E6GSKEM at less than a cent per cup. Makes that Starbucks espresso look gawdy. ;

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson Are you saying calorimeter measurements can measure sunlilght, UV and soft X-Rays? I didn't think that was the case. Yes, Steven – that is the case. You and Axil are confusing power and energy. This is a daily occurrence on forums and even among

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

Of course the calorimeter can measure sunlight. Basically, if the light doesn't escape from the calorimeter, it was converted to heat and measured, probably quite accurately. The only question is whether the soft x-rays escaped. However, if Mills plans to capture these in silicon, then they woul

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

vjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? The speculation (of inaccurate calorimetry) is nonsense. Visible photons passing through th

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

Jones sez: ... > Give us a break, skeptics … it is still overunity. Actually, I can > see the skeptics claiming victory (or trying to save face) since the > gain is limited to ~2. Damage control. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

The speculation (of inaccurate calorimetry) is nonsense. Visible photons passing through the water are captured on the wall of the calorimeter - all of the heat is retained and captured in the water. You guys seem to want to boost Mills by claiming he cannot measure his own gain because he

RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:34 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner? The Visible spectrum could have passed unaffected through the water of the

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