Re: [313] M500's "The Passage"
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Jorge Velez wrote: > I've got this on a weird little comp. c.'93 (can't remember > the title offhand - something like "Techno Fever" or thereabouts...). > It's one of my absolute fave M500's - unlike anything else Juan had done up > till then. Anyone know how many versions exist of this track, if any? if I remember correctly...this came out on R&S sublabel Apollo and then later was licenced to Network as the "True Techno EP" ...it also contained 2 other amazing tracks by juan..."mind changes" and "warning" I believe was the other. The passage is like one of my all time favorite tracks by Juan. minto
"History Of House" publisher's address
I posted a comment re: this book earlier today. If anyone wants to learn what all your favorite 313 producers (and Larry Heard, Kraftwerk, and many, many others) had to say about where they were coming from - musically and conceptually, in their own words - back in the day, I seriously recommend this book.Highly. Sanctuary Publishing Ltd. The Colonnades 82 Bishop's Bridge Rd. London W2 6BB tel: +44(0) 171 243 0640 There's a US/Canada distributor # (no address given): Music Sales Corporation 1 800 431 7187 Good luck! Jorge www.mp3.com/milkish Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
M500's "The Passage"
I've got this on a weird little comp. c.'93 (can't remember the title offhand - something like "Techno Fever" or thereabouts...). It's one of my absolute fave M500's - unlike anything else Juan had done up till then. Anyone know how many versions exist of this track, if any? Jorge www.mp3.com/milkish Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Model500's latest LP
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Gwendal Cobert wrote: > Talking about that... > As I'm reading this, I'm thinking about Model500's first > track from Mind & Body - excuse me if it has already been > discussed here, but I wasn't a subscriber when it was released... > well, to me this track is extremely interesting, feels like > Atkins has been listening a lot to the most interesting > "electronica /IDM" stuff, mostly Autechre, and has managed to > completely integrate it with his previous work, and spit out > something very interesting, perfectly balanced? this is probably because the first track on that album was "psychosomatic" co-written by Danny Zelonky aka Low Res who did a track that was remixed by Juan on Metroplex called "Amuck" which originally came out on an ep on sublime (japan) (3 mixes by Juan actually on the metroplex 12"). Danny also co-produced the title track on the "mind and body" album. I highly recommend Danny's stuff...check out the album he did on Plug Research called "Approximate Loveboat" and the mille plateaux albums "Wanton Phenomena" and "heftibag" his music is very dissonant (in a good way) and his sound design is unreal! on the Juan tip...I believe he says in a recent interview that he is working on another M500 album to be released on R&S. Anyone got any word on this?...I just hope Juan takes it in a different direction...the R&B influenced model 500 album was cool...but I think Juan can surprise us again with something a little more fresh. minto
respect of opinions
i am not very long on this list, for about 6 months now and i first was positively surprised of the good behaviour of people posting here not mentioning the immense amount of knowledge gathered here. but in the last few weeks i noticed a large amount of negative aggression towards people's opinions. do not discuss about one's opinion, because anyone has the right to think what he wants. instead, respect this person for expressing his thoughts and feelings on a public mailing list and try to bring in your own ones where you feel it is appropriate. but please consider that emails are a very difficult way to express yourself, so people "judge" you only on the basis of what they know from the messages you post. i know that we always have the feeling that we must prove something in our daily life to gain credibility or whatever. but that's not the thing music is about, it's not a competition, it's a way to learn more about yourself and to express yourself, to develop your existence. in general, RESPECT EACH OTHER
Re: [313] Puleeese for the love of ......
Almost like IDM:-) jeff miss zak wrote: > GEORGE.oh GEORGE?!?!? Please help this is getting intolerable. The > filtering alone everyday is insane!Could someone please restore this list? > The negativity and insults etc etc are just outta control. > > love,peace and chicken grease > misszak > > " Music is the key of life, dancing is the way of the world and it continues > like this." Terrence Parker > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008
Re: [313] Old recording techniques...
I think you really put your finger on something, Steve. There *is* something between the sounds in analog that is missing in newer digital recordings. Even listening to old 1930s jazz or gospel type recordings, there seems to be something else there. The sound is sometimes terrible, but other times it comes in tandem with perfection, and a whole different atmosphere seems to be transported through the music. Ryan On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Sevn wrote: > I think there is definatly something very profound about the analogue sound of > real to real as opposed to ADAT. When you record digitally every millisecond > of time is accounted for and everything inbetween doesn't exsist. When you > use > tape, there exsists another dimension of time. Inbetween each kick drum is > some kind of space that often sounds like hiss or noise. I think this space > is > a result of the environment in which you are recording, and perhaps even the > physic vibrations in the room. One technique that can be used in recording is > to add an additional track, that is a recording of a desired ambient > atmosphere. One idea is to record yourself while you sleeping one night with > a > mic and speed it up and dub it in over a track with very low gain. > > Anybody else have any ideas? > > Sevn > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Detroit, London, er Manchester
> And Leeds and Sheffield..they were too busy in London with their > clique-y little parties! Rare groove baby Nick Hardie DiscoTech [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: downtempo 313?
>I've been listening to a lot of downtempo records lately-more on the >Kyotojazz/Suzuki tip. Lately, I've been taking a break from the traditional >techno & house and have been spending alot of time with jazz,latin >music,jungle and trip hop.I need all the downtempo I can get right now:) Hi Diana, I'd like to recommend some stuff from New Zealand label Involve Records. Aspen is great, very "listening 313", and Jet Jaguar is a bit more trip hoppy. Both are kinda mellow, not so jazzy. They've been championed by Andrew Duke and Pietro on the this list before. I believe the records are available through Skimo and a few other international distributors, but check their website at www.involve.co.nz for advance MP3 previews. Some other stuff I'm sure you'll enjoy are... * Rootdown 99 compilation (Nuphonic) compiled by Rainer Truby of the Truby Trio, who along with Jazzanova are my favourite new jazz/latin players. Both of these artists release through Compost (www.compost-records.com). * The two volumes of The New Latinaires compilations (Ubiquity) like Rootdown, a bit "uptempo" at time but gorgeous. Volume 1 has some great remixes, including Carl Craig remixing the straight-up latin of Johnny Blas, and Jazzanova's remix of 70's afro-jazz group Har-You Percussion group, both of which are quite amazing. www.ubiquityrecords.com * The Freezone compilations on SSR/Crammed generally have some great downtempo stuff, and are often a few years ahead of their time to boot! Volume 5 is great, haven't checked last year's Volume 6 yet... Speaking of FZ5, there's a great Eddie Fowlkes track on there called Black Soul... anyone know where this originated from. It's lovely. * Gilles Peterson is releasing a bunch of compilations this year to celebrate his label Talkin Loud's tenth anniversary. He released one last year in the major label (Sony?) series 'Incredible' (Goldie did one too, and a few other DJs) which was great, reflecting the range of stuff he plays on his radio show Gilles Peterson Worldwide. One of the forthcoming comps is a Worldwide one too, and there's one called Talkin Jazz which should be great too, although more straight up jazz. Enjoy! Andy
Re: [313] Sandwiches in the UK
to loosely quote an article I just wrote "these two are getting more PR than Tom Green's balls, and the rare thing is, is that these two deserve it." -diana From: "Stewart Fernandez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "James Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: [313] Sandwiches in the UK Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:40:35 +0100 yeah it was on the big breakfest(morning tv prog here) last week also at work a few time that i've walk through the factory they listen to radio 1 and it seems to get alot of day time play - Original Message - From: James Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [313] Sandwiches in the UK > I saw a snippet of the video for this on some kiddies TV show at 7am on > Saturday morning in the UK. Of course, I was er...just channel hopping coz I > don't normally watch kiddies TV at 7am (or ..er..at anytime, for that > matter)...um..yes. > > Matt. > > > -Original Message- > From: Simon Walley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 June 2000 10:11 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: [313] Sandwiches in the UK > > > Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a > massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy > triple-decker sandwich with "I know you want to do it..." underneath). This > record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml > > Good stuff. > > || [CiM] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Puleeese for the love of ......
GEORGE.oh GEORGE?!?!? Please help this is getting intolerable. The filtering alone everyday is insane!Could someone please restore this list? The negativity and insults etc etc are just outta control. love,peace and chicken grease misszak " Music is the key of life, dancing is the way of the world and it continues like this." Terrence Parker Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Frankfurt scene
I thought he was from Germany? He is a good DJ - in the Dave Angel mould, tech-house, very extrovert, etc. He can beat box too! He was working on some R&B for a while (his "first love") but is recommitted to techno now. Has cut some good records. He had a major label album coming out (on Warner?) but I have lost track of it, I don't think it ever materialised. He is very big in Melbourne. >I believe Patrick Lindsey is actually from Austria, Vienna if I'm not >mistaken... > >General Electronic Music is also from Frankfurt and they have some great >ambient releases esp. the ambient stuff!
Nick?
Nick, I can't respond to your e-mail query as for some reason your address isn't showing up on the banner (must be Yahoo). Can you e-mail me again and include your address in the body of the e-mail? Sorry everyone else. Redeeming 313 content: Mills' If is blowing up in the (deep) house scene in Melbourne, which is very interesting. I think it's taken a while to cross over as those DJs wouldn't normally check out a Mills release as they have certain preconceptions about his work. I really love that record myself but I know some 'techno' DJs don't know how to 'use' it. Apparently Claude Young uses it a transitional record when he wants to go into a housier sphere.
Re: [313] larkin track(s)...
I think Sean (Deason) was saying his new album was on the way just the other day? Didn't Kenny preview some of his new material at the DEMF? To those who have heard: how is it sounding? >Loop and Catatonic were the only singles from Metaphor, as far back as I can >remember. By far my favourite techno album of all time, very dynamic and well >thought out. Anyone know what Kenny's been up to since the Dark Comedy album >on Elypsia? Another good album, anyone who doesn't own some of this mans work >and likes the Detroit sound, should buy it up. I traded a copy of Fumiya >Tanaka's Unknown Possibilities for a very used copy of Larkin's Metaphor (which >was one of the first full on techno cds I ever purchased) on vinyl in Spain. >I'll never look back on that trade.
Re: hey info
dance extacy asked me to post this, it was from a letter he got from that hughblaze dork, so i couldn't resist. =) -- >--- "Hugh G. Blaze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not only are you a dumbass, but you're fucking delusional. "Oliver never even played out there" I have the fucking flyer still, asswipe. hahahahaa who fucking cares? prove he did a dat you fucking worthless piece of shit! you're a fucking troll bitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] h0m0 hiphop LEWZE_=_ >If I had my way, no one would even buy your fucking records, because chances are you're just going to rip them off and not send them anyway. haha jealous looza. >You fecal-ingesting fool, why don't you go back to >spending your free time jacking off to pictures of Marilyn Manson in your basement. heh i prefer the ones of your MOM! >Go tell your mom you need this month's welfare check for airfare and fly to Milwaukee, hahah yeah i'll need it so i can buy crack and then pimp MOM on the corner! hahahaha >where I'll have some real hardcore motherfuckers waiting to show you the true meaning of "horror" with a white-hot poker and some vice-grips, bitch. heh, yeah you'll have train wreck city and sheep fucking flip-flop goons, yeehaww LOL >Oliver Cheeseler can suck my balls all day while I take a shit. He couldn't sell two copies if he pressed a double album. LOL yeah that's why mission extacy is sought after all over by techno lovers in the stores in the states and world wide. DUMBASS >Why don't you get off this list and go back to what you do best, smacking your wart-infested genetalia against a bedpost while flipping though the downloads on www.fatassbeardedgaymen.com. hah, weak. I'd prefer to watch you perfrom at www.beatthemeatonthetoiletseat.cUm >You crystal meth smoking, uncle fucking, shit eating >stupid hardcore listening to, cliche, closed minded irrereverant fool, please come to Detroit. You'll never leave. naw that's where all the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mutes like you live, i'll have to stay away from there by the way, nice 2 block radius of 2 record stores and virtually no scene. LOL >By the way, you're going to lose your job delivering pizzas if you spend so much time defending your homerotic fantasy hardcore DJ/icon on a list dedicated to DETROIT TECHNO. i'm dedicated to the good stuff what can i say. ;] i sure as hell aint lickin the nads of the dead, regurgitated detroit scene like you do. heh >I challenge you to whatever type of competition you would like to enage in from a DJ battle to a no-holds-barred steel cage death match, anytime, >anywhere. Scared? haha you're the definition of a fucking moron i'll post this to the list to show everyone just how stupid you and the rest of the detroit bung lickers are ;] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Derrick May - The Baseball Player
>Ya I remember reading about that years ago. >Never heard anything else about it. >Was it ever released (or even made)? No not as of yet. Something may have happened but it never came out. Maybe in the future?
313 Reminder
Can we please refrain from the negativity? Can we not engage in debate without name calling and belittling opposing views and tastes? I am getting tired frankly of these recent threads. If you want to start a discussion then discuss with intelligence and validate the points you are trying to make in a non-hostile, non-threatening manner. Let us not tolerate the breeding of such hate. In the spirit of the DEMF (or have some of us forgottent?), let us rather applaud our differences and individuality. We each have a voice in this electronic community.
Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust"
i hesitate even getting into this, but please name the party because oliver says you're full of shit! finally keep the lies coming, it's comical. funny you only mentioned alexander after i did. and you didn't even know how many people oliver used to help him as the horrorist. yeah i really believe you when you say you saw him live and he used no dat, yeah sure, nice try dipshit. by the way, dig up your flier and give me the party name fool. even if you do, oliver dosne't do dats. eof --- detroit science <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > first of all - quote ppl properly. this was from > someone else, not me: > >I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job > >clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) > when > >he played in Detroit at the "by the bridge" space > two > >years ago. > furthermore, i was excited to see oliver. i like > his work and was looking > forward to the live pa. > > and yes - it was oliver. i don't have the exact > date, i would have to go > back in my old fliers. i'm sure that oliver does a > wicked live pa = he just > didn't this time.it's no big deal to me, > i was just passing > along some information. if you forwarded the > previous email to oliver > that's perfectly fine with me, and i'm sure that you > will pass this one > along as well. i have no problem with that, because > i only post what i know > to be the circumstances. > > and since you are going to forward this, i'm sure, > please let oliver know > that i still have his hat and the invitation to > drink jaeger with me anytime > still holds. > > now, let me ask you a question - how many people > does it take to do the live > pa with oliver? since he does get so into the > vocals and really puts on a > show, i would assume it would take at least 2 or 3 > people total to do his > tracks proper justice. maybe it was too difficult > to pack up all of his > gear and take it on the road, especially to an > unknown warehouse venue in > detroit? only oliver knows for sure. > > my point is simply this - the gig was booked as a > live pa to the promoter. > the promoter did not get a live pa - he got a track > act to dat. and yes - > it was his brother who came out to detroit with him, > i met and talked with > both of them. > > finally, there is no need for careless insults. > please do a little bit of > homework before calling me > > > >First of all that's the biggest load of shit i > believe > >i've ever read. You can get people to back it up > all > >you want but oliver never even played out there. > But > >wheather he did or not is beside the point. > >Intelligent and forward people know this. He plays > >100% live these days. Second who the fuck is > detroit > >science? LOL Yeah that's what i thought. Absolutely > >NOTHING. This message has been forwarded to oliver > by > >the way though, strictly for comedic content. I'm > sure > >he'll get a big laugh at some dumbasses self > >inadequacies and lies. LoL > > > > >his supposed "live" gig was in fact a track act > to a > > > dat. > > > >I invite anyone to see his show. People like bones, > >beltram and many many others give him mass respect > for > >his lively non dat shows. Call sonic groove and ask > if > >you don't belive me. People know he's 100% fucking > >live and wicked. In fact he's probably the best > live > >p.a. the last 2 years. > > > >Seeing him do mission extacy, one night in n.y.c. > and > >flesh is the fever etc etc. Is pretty fucking > >impressive and he's always got the crowd dancing. > It's > >rather Impressive. And his parter/brother > >alexander(acrosome) uses a jp8080 among other > >instruments when oliver is mc'ing. And I know for a > >fact he's been helping oliver since a few years ago > So > >you're full of shit, hip-hop kiddie. Anyone who's > into > >hip-hop has gotta be a loser anyway. > > > >Typical though, an idiot into eMpTy-V cheese > hip-hop > >style would talk shit because oliver(the horrorsit) > >rips shit over any rap mc and litterally makes them > >look like run dmc at the playground wearing > kikwears > >and keds. HAHAA I can't help but laugh at your > >stupidity and lies. > > > >I'm done. > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Sandwiches in the UK
yeah it was on the big breakfest(morning tv prog here) last week also at work a few time that i've walk through the factory they listen to radio 1 and it seems to get alot of day time play - Original Message - From: James Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [313] Sandwiches in the UK > I saw a snippet of the video for this on some kiddies TV show at 7am on > Saturday morning in the UK. Of course, I was er...just channel hopping coz I > don't normally watch kiddies TV at 7am (or ..er..at anytime, for that > matter)...um..yes. > > Matt. > > > -Original Message- > From: Simon Walley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 June 2000 10:11 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: [313] Sandwiches in the UK > > > Right between my flat and Bethnal Green tube station is a bridge with a > massive Detroit Grand Pubahs 'Sandwiches' poster underneath it (big, greasy > triple-decker sandwich with "I know you want to do it..." underneath). This > record is getting *pushed* over here - its made it to the Radio 1 B list: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/playlist.shtml > > Good stuff. > > || [CiM] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
RE: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust"
you'd belive anything, you're enept(sp) --- FC3 Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i would believe her long before i believe most > people... > > jeff > > > > "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" > -George Clinton > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust"
you're in australia how would you know [EMAIL PROTECTED] boy? furthermore, oliver dosen't even spin, he hasn't spun in the last 5 years. If you're talking about bones, (because you're so stupid you didn't even say who you were talking about,) then you're a complete moron. I'll just let you dig your own grave. --- FC3 Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how can you respect a DJ who trainwrecks m ore then > me.of the numerous time > i have seen him he has only been good twice. and i > know one of the time was > when the promoter gave him coke. i know the > promoter, so you can't say that > shit ain't true. only jackasses who don't know > anything about DJing like > him. as for his producing, it has sucked for the > past couple of years. his > style hasn't changed in the last 10, but he ran out > of ideas long ago. > jeff > > > > "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" > -George Clinton > > > -Original Message- > > From: e&a rinon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:49 PM > > To: FC3 Richards > > Subject:Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust" > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: FC3 Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: 'd main' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' <313@hyperreal.org> > > Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2000 14:20 > > Subject: RE: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust" > > > > > > >>I invite anyone to see his show. People like > bones, > > >>beltram and many many others give him mass > respect for > > >>his lively non dat shows. Call sonic groove and > ask if > > >>you don't belive me. People know he's 100% > fucking > > >>live and wicked. In fact he's probably the best > live > > >>p.a. the last 2 years. > > > > > >yeah, they are a real authority of whats good and > whats not. > > > > > actualy,to me they are > > yes this guy is an idiot but don't slug ppl that > have started > > this scene alltogether,becouse of what he sez > > > > > >Linda is alot more the Frankie will ever be. if > i remember right frankie > > >owes his residency in detroit to her. > > > > > > > > you must be joking > > bones is probably as respected a dj as May,in a > lot of places > > and no i don't think his musical output is so > great now > > but respect is def due > > > > e,r > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] hey...no baggin on my bones
eaxactly, it's not like linda g(whoever the hell that is LOL) made frankie bones. More bullshit from biased fools. --- "viagratek ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >how can you respect a DJ who trainwrecks m ore then > me.of the numerous time > >i have seen him he has only been good twice. and i > know one of the time > >was > >when the promoter gave him coke. i know the > promoter, so you can't say that > >shit ain't true. only jackasses who don't know > anything about DJing like > >him. as for his producing, it has sucked for the > past couple of years. > >his > >style hasn't changed in the last 10, but he ran out > of ideas long ago. > >jeff > > > cacahead.im sure he's got every single record u > have and has spun them > long before u bought em. and his production are > still pretty goodso get > outta town. u know if it werent for bones there > prolly wouldnt be a sonic > grooveand if it werent for sonic groovethere > probably wouldnt be > much techno records dist. here in the US?!! every > think of that?!?! haahh > anyway get off the sack. the only reason he sucked > when u saw him is because > he knew u were gonna be in the audience picking your > nose, so he said "aww > fuck that navy guy, he needs to go clean some more > ship shit" dont forget > storm raves, linda g maybe dope as hell for bringing > fat talent to detroit, > but i think frankie was doin it before she was on > the east coast!?! am i > right? am i wrong? sniff my butt > > v > > p.s. as for beltramhe has releases on tresor, > need i say more? > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
hey...no baggin on my bones
how can you respect a DJ who trainwrecks m ore then me.of the numerous time i have seen him he has only been good twice. and i know one of the time was when the promoter gave him coke. i know the promoter, so you can't say that shit ain't true. only jackasses who don't know anything about DJing like him. as for his producing, it has sucked for the past couple of years. his style hasn't changed in the last 10, but he ran out of ideas long ago. jeff cacahead.im sure he's got every single record u have and has spun them long before u bought em. and his production are still pretty goodso get outta town. u know if it werent for bones there prolly wouldnt be a sonic grooveand if it werent for sonic groovethere probably wouldnt be much techno records dist. here in the US?!! every think of that?!?! haahh anyway get off the sack. the only reason he sucked when u saw him is because he knew u were gonna be in the audience picking your nose, so he said "aww fuck that navy guy, he needs to go clean some more ship shit" dont forget storm raves, linda g maybe dope as hell for bringing fat talent to detroit, but i think frankie was doin it before she was on the east coast!?! am i right? am i wrong? sniff my butt v p.s. as for beltramhe has releases on tresor, need i say more? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] 313 Passion and Survival
Hi, Merci beaucoup :-)) So you speak french ? My door is widly open, anytime... I was awaiting for a long time such reply! Thanks for that. I impress ! you have still the strenght to struggle...yep, ignorance kill this world, and we need people like you to educate these kids... You got soul. Hip Hip hurrah Voilà From: "laura gavoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] 313 Passion and Survival Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:01:47 PDT I've received some email calling me on what I penned about this whole thread. This is a long one with no bloody apologies...it IS after all a 313 list n'est ce pas? I got sumpin' to say, so delete now if yer not in the mood. Suffice it to say I've been called to task on proving both my validity in offering my opinion as well as making generalizations while not looking at the 'big' picture. While I appreciate your comments in response to my post, the fact remains that independently the words both " Motown" and "techno" denoted a nouveaux sound and feeling and since the inception of these sounds/feelings BOTH words have gone on to define an era in musical history. Any fool would already know that their is nothing truly new under the sun. The surrealists and dadaists were directly influenced by the impressionists, etc, etc, there is always somethign that "came first"---it's a moot point to the argument. However, controlling a neurotic tendency to be so macrocosmic, I concentrated on the subject at hand...this strange Detroit pride thing that makes the listees so defensive. Nonetheless, no two words in recent decades have denoted more powerful, far-reaching musical influence or have initiated and influenced socio-cultural change more dramatically than the aforementioned and it is that that Detroit takes a stand about. I am not alone in this opinion either, more movies, books, documentaries have spawned covering these two topics/eras in world-wide cultural evolution than any I can remember in decades. With the exception of Jazz, technologically influenced music from Detroit is arguably the only other truly original American artform, and yes, Detroit was directly influenced by that as well. Just as jazz influenced how people in the 20's, 30's and 40's danced, socialized and partied that same influence had far reaching change into the very social fabric of their lives, similar to Motown's effect as well as the Techno movement. I think I can safely call it a "movement" now as it spans into its third decade. As far as being a senior member on the list, that was just to reference that I've more likely seen and experienced a lot more than most given my age. I am solidly in my 40s and have worked in and/or around black music in this city since the 70sso hell yeah, my views and opinions have powerful validity. The additional fact that I am a woman makes my views and opinions that much fiercer, especially in view of the other bullshit thread that has found its way into my mailbox. I saw with my own two eyes what the power of Motown's music did to the very social fabric of my country and have innumerable second hand references to how it manifested itself on foreign soil. The recent 40 year anniversary of Motown included countless interviews from the likes of Rod Stewart, Roger Daltrey, Eric Clapton, Mick Jagger and Ringo Starr all speaking to how that "sound" directly influenced them...opening up a creative chakra that somehow cemented a vibe in them. James Jamerson's basslines are still classic and oft imitated in the 60's, 70's and 80's rock that followed...it still influences. Motown became an adjective to describe, define and articulate other sounds by countless music journalists and historians. I didn't do that. Moreover, that music came about during a time of rampant social unrest in America. The socio-econimic racial issue between blacks and whites was violent and songs like "Toubled Man" and "What's Goin' On" were being played on white and even rock and roll radio stations simply on the merit that they struck a chord in sooo many...they were undeniably powerful and elicited an empathy in s many that walls began to tumble. In the Motown anniversary film, more than one congressman, mayor and senator, both black and white, commented to the fact that the civil rights amendment would never have passed were it NOT for the phenomenon of Motown music. I didn't invent this all by myself. A rich tapestry absolutely! Hell yeah, the Mississippi Delta blues, Nashville, Berlin, and countless other cities have all had influence on the world as well as Detroit, but on a global level Motown was the very first time any such black INDEPENDENT music dominated the charts!!! Hence it has been romanticized in multiple languages! AND IT REMAINS CLASSIC MUSIC TODAY!!! No, Detroit didn't invent soul musicI didn't type that comment, but I stand firmly behind my comment that no other city's sounds have been so POPULA
RE: [313] Desire
69 - Desire also appeared on the unmixed vinyl version of the Andrea Parker DJKicks on !k7. Sure it is easy to find and also has model 500-night drive, a cool gescom track, afrika bambaata, and a few other treats. -p On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Faust in die Luft wrote: > this track is originally released on the 69 e.p. "lite music" on belgium r&s > records, including "jam the box" and "desire" on side a, "my machines" and > "microlovr" are found on the flipside. "lite music" and 69's "sound on > sound" e.p. were later coupled as the "the sound of music" compilation, as > well released on r&s. pretty hard to find on vinyl, the cd you might get > from hardwax, berlin. it is listed under their essential cd's. > > hope it helps, > m. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Stewart Moroney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Montag, 19. Juni 2000 23:35 > > To: 313 > > Subject: [313] Desire > > > > > > Does anyone have any details on the 69 track "Desire". What ep/album was > > this featured on and most importantly, where can I get a copy? > > > > Stewart > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression
>> It's pretty sad to see someone judge the quality of music by the power of >> the bass. >> > Too true. We might as well all be listening to Techmaster P.E.B. @ 170db > in a dropped mini-truck if we lived in Dance Extacy's world. > > **WARNING THIS CD MAY CAUSE SPEAKER DAMAGE. ULTRA LOW BASS** hey... watch whay you say about Techmaster PEB ! i love that shit... or should i say sh*t... what is up with the swear-a-phobia around here? feel it people.. from my dropped honda with neon lights under it, holly
313 Passion and Survival
I've received some email calling me on what I penned about this whole thread. This is a long one with no bloody apologies...it IS after all a 313 list n'est ce pas? I got sumpin' to say, so delete now if yer not in the mood. Suffice it to say I've been called to task on proving both my validity in offering my opinion as well as making generalizations while not looking at the 'big' picture. While I appreciate your comments in response to my post, the fact remains that independently the words both " Motown" and "techno" denoted a nouveaux sound and feeling and since the inception of these sounds/feelings BOTH words have gone on to define an era in musical history. Any fool would already know that their is nothing truly new under the sun. The surrealists and dadaists were directly influenced by the impressionists, etc, etc, there is always somethign that "came first"---it's a moot point to the argument. However, controlling a neurotic tendency to be so macrocosmic, I concentrated on the subject at hand...this strange Detroit pride thing that makes the listees so defensive. Nonetheless, no two words in recent decades have denoted more powerful, far-reaching musical influence or have initiated and influenced socio-cultural change more dramatically than the aforementioned and it is that that Detroit takes a stand about. I am not alone in this opinion either, more movies, books, documentaries have spawned covering these two topics/eras in world-wide cultural evolution than any I can remember in decades. With the exception of Jazz, technologically influenced music from Detroit is arguably the only other truly original American artform, and yes, Detroit was directly influenced by that as well. Just as jazz influenced how people in the 20's, 30's and 40's danced, socialized and partied that same influence had far reaching change into the very social fabric of their lives, similar to Motown's effect as well as the Techno movement. I think I can safely call it a "movement" now as it spans into its third decade. As far as being a senior member on the list, that was just to reference that I've more likely seen and experienced a lot more than most given my age. I am solidly in my 40s and have worked in and/or around black music in this city since the 70sso hell yeah, my views and opinions have powerful validity. The additional fact that I am a woman makes my views and opinions that much fiercer, especially in view of the other bullshit thread that has found its way into my mailbox. I saw with my own two eyes what the power of Motown's music did to the very social fabric of my country and have innumerable second hand references to how it manifested itself on foreign soil. The recent 40 year anniversary of Motown included countless interviews from the likes of Rod Stewart, Roger Daltrey, Eric Clapton, Mick Jagger and Ringo Starr all speaking to how that "sound" directly influenced them...opening up a creative chakra that somehow cemented a vibe in them. James Jamerson's basslines are still classic and oft imitated in the 60's, 70's and 80's rock that followed...it still influences. Motown became an adjective to describe, define and articulate other sounds by countless music journalists and historians. I didn't do that. Moreover, that music came about during a time of rampant social unrest in America. The socio-econimic racial issue between blacks and whites was violent and songs like "Toubled Man" and "What's Goin' On" were being played on white and even rock and roll radio stations simply on the merit that they struck a chord in sooo many...they were undeniably powerful and elicited an empathy in s many that walls began to tumble. In the Motown anniversary film, more than one congressman, mayor and senator, both black and white, commented to the fact that the civil rights amendment would never have passed were it NOT for the phenomenon of Motown music. I didn't invent this all by myself. A rich tapestry absolutely! Hell yeah, the Mississippi Delta blues, Nashville, Berlin, and countless other cities have all had influence on the world as well as Detroit, but on a global level Motown was the very first time any such black INDEPENDENT music dominated the charts!!! Hence it has been romanticized in multiple languages! AND IT REMAINS CLASSIC MUSIC TODAY!!! No, Detroit didn't invent soul musicI didn't type that comment, but I stand firmly behind my comment that no other city's sounds have been so POPULAR or sweepingly influential on a global scale and I'm astounded that I am being called out on it. Berry Gordy did it with NO HELP whatsoever Even from a garage and basement recording studio and headquarter. He was up against major, then Jewish and Italian-mafia owned, recording industry machine with a pretty rigorous track record of consuming black peoples' music and regurgitating it as original white music AN
Re: [313] Girls and Detroit
Hmm interesting points. When I go record shopping, I just keep to myself and if some guy tries to sell me something, I'll just say, "ok" and continue going thru the bins as if he didn't say anything. I know what I like/want and I rather look for it myself. At the same time, there's nothing sexier to a guy when you ask them to bring down a hot techno record from the the wall that you can't reach. They remember these things. =) One time I met a guy who said that he recognized me because he remembered a certain techno record I bought. Funny thing is, he didn't even work at the record store. He was there shopping I guess and saw me buy it. As for hard, minimal techno? I think females's interests are broader so we might like something, lose interest and perhaps come back to it. That's what's happening to me with hard, banging, minimal techno. And Marco Carola did it. He helped restore that love back. He's amazing. :::swoon::: _g l y p h_ In a message dated 6/20/00 1:00:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >it has happened to me so many times, that i walk into a record store, ask >if >they have some new release i am waiting for, only to hear, "we don't have >that >on cd, only on vinyl." > >finally once i responded: "what, do you think just because i'm a chick >i can't >be a dj?" > >it's a pain. but i have found that once people know who you are, the >discrimination is gone. i get the respect i deserve from those who know. > >as far a hard and minimal techno female fans go, i think there are fewer >than >males because of the aggressiveness of the music. i was really into hard >minimal stuff a few years ago, but now i pop in a mixtape and it's too >hard for >me... maybe i'm just getting old, but i always have associated that music >with >testosterone... > >i will always show up to hear a live hard techno dj though... that shit >i always >get into.. > >peace, >holly
Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust"
first of all - quote ppl properly. this was from someone else, not me: I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the "by the bridge" space two years ago. furthermore, i was excited to see oliver. i like his work and was looking forward to the live pa. and yes - it was oliver. i don't have the exact date of the party, i would have to go back in my old fliers. the promoter who threw the party is a close friend of mine, which is why i have the skinny. i'm sure that oliver does a wicked live pa - he just didn't this time.it's no big deal to me, i was just passing along some information. if you forwarded the previous email to oliver that's perfectly fine with me, and i'm sure that you will pass this one along as well. i have no problem with that, because i only post what i know to be the circumstances. and since you are going to forward this, i'm sure, please let oliver know that i still have his hat and the invitation to drink jaeger with me anytime still holds. now, let me ask you an intelligent question since you have seen oliver live - how many people does it take to do the live pa? since he does get so into the vocals and really puts on a show, i would assume it would take at least 2 or 3 people total to do his tracks proper justice. maybe it was too difficult to pack up all of his gear and take it on the road, especially to an unknown warehouse venue in detroit? only oliver knows for sure. my point is simply this - the gig was booked as a live pa to the promoter. the promoter did not get a live pa - he got a track act to dat. and yes - it was his brother who came out to detroit with him, i met and talked with both of them. finally, there is no need for careless insults. please do a little bit of homework before calling me a "hip-hop kiddie". i quote "Anyone who's into hip-hop has gotta be a loser anyway. Typical though, an idiot into eMpTy-V cheese hip-hop style would talk shit because oliver(the horrorsit)rips shit over any rap mc and litterally makes them look like run dmc at the playground wearing kikwears and keds. HAHAA I can't help but laugh at your stupidity and lies." i'm really not sure where you got that from, but i'm quite far from being into hip hop. and i enjoy and embrace all kinds of music - and as i have previously stated - i WAS looking forward to seeing oliver. take care, i gotta go buy some phat pants now to fit my new image, linda g First of all that's the biggest load of shit i believe i've ever read. You can get people to back it up all you want but oliver never even played out there. But wheather he did or not is beside the point. Intelligent and forward people know this. He plays 100% live these days. Second who the fuck is detroit science? LOL Yeah that's what i thought. Absolutely NOTHING. This message has been forwarded to oliver by the way though, strictly for comedic content. I'm sure he'll get a big laugh at some dumbasses self inadequacies and lies. LoL >his supposed "live" gig was in fact a track act to a > dat. I invite anyone to see his show. People like bones, beltram and many many others give him mass respect for his lively non dat shows. Call sonic groove and ask if you don't belive me. People know he's 100% fucking live and wicked. In fact he's probably the best live p.a. the last 2 years. Seeing him do mission extacy, one night in n.y.c. and flesh is the fever etc etc. Is pretty fucking impressive and he's always got the crowd dancing. It's rather Impressive. And his parter/brother alexander(acrosome) uses a jp8080 among other instruments when oliver is mc'ing. And I know for a fact he's been helping oliver since a few years ago So you're full of shit, hip-hop kiddie. Anyone who's into hip-hop has gotta be a loser anyway. Typical though, an idiot into eMpTy-V cheese hip-hop style would talk shit because oliver(the horrorsit) rips shit over any rap mc and litterally makes them look like run dmc at the playground wearing kikwears and keds. HAHAA I can't help but laugh at your stupidity and lies. I'm done. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust"
first of all - quote ppl properly. this was from someone else, not me: I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the "by the bridge" space two years ago. furthermore, i was excited to see oliver. i like his work and was looking forward to the live pa. and yes - it was oliver. i don't have the exact date, i would have to go back in my old fliers. i'm sure that oliver does a wicked live pa = he just didn't this time.it's no big deal to me, i was just passing along some information. if you forwarded the previous email to oliver that's perfectly fine with me, and i'm sure that you will pass this one along as well. i have no problem with that, because i only post what i know to be the circumstances. and since you are going to forward this, i'm sure, please let oliver know that i still have his hat and the invitation to drink jaeger with me anytime still holds. now, let me ask you a question - how many people does it take to do the live pa with oliver? since he does get so into the vocals and really puts on a show, i would assume it would take at least 2 or 3 people total to do his tracks proper justice. maybe it was too difficult to pack up all of his gear and take it on the road, especially to an unknown warehouse venue in detroit? only oliver knows for sure. my point is simply this - the gig was booked as a live pa to the promoter. the promoter did not get a live pa - he got a track act to dat. and yes - it was his brother who came out to detroit with him, i met and talked with both of them. finally, there is no need for careless insults. please do a little bit of homework before calling me First of all that's the biggest load of shit i believe i've ever read. You can get people to back it up all you want but oliver never even played out there. But wheather he did or not is beside the point. Intelligent and forward people know this. He plays 100% live these days. Second who the fuck is detroit science? LOL Yeah that's what i thought. Absolutely NOTHING. This message has been forwarded to oliver by the way though, strictly for comedic content. I'm sure he'll get a big laugh at some dumbasses self inadequacies and lies. LoL >his supposed "live" gig was in fact a track act to a > dat. I invite anyone to see his show. People like bones, beltram and many many others give him mass respect for his lively non dat shows. Call sonic groove and ask if you don't belive me. People know he's 100% fucking live and wicked. In fact he's probably the best live p.a. the last 2 years. Seeing him do mission extacy, one night in n.y.c. and flesh is the fever etc etc. Is pretty fucking impressive and he's always got the crowd dancing. It's rather Impressive. And his parter/brother alexander(acrosome) uses a jp8080 among other instruments when oliver is mc'ing. And I know for a fact he's been helping oliver since a few years ago So you're full of shit, hip-hop kiddie. Anyone who's into hip-hop has gotta be a loser anyway. Typical though, an idiot into eMpTy-V cheese hip-hop style would talk shit because oliver(the horrorsit) rips shit over any rap mc and litterally makes them look like run dmc at the playground wearing kikwears and keds. HAHAA I can't help but laugh at your stupidity and lies. I'm done. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Girls and Detroit
> In techno and drum 'n' bass, it's less overt. When I went to buy The Real > Jaguar from a leading underground Melbourne record store the guy scoffed, > "You mean the trance one?" Now I don't think he'd say that to a guy somehow. it has happened to me so many times, that i walk into a record store, ask if they have some new release i am waiting for, only to hear, "we don't have that on cd, only on vinyl." finally once i responded: "what, do you think just because i'm a chick i can't be a dj?" it's a pain. but i have found that once people know who you are, the discrimination is gone. i get the respect i deserve from those who know. as far a hard and minimal techno female fans go, i think there are fewer than males because of the aggressiveness of the music. i was really into hard minimal stuff a few years ago, but now i pop in a mixtape and it's too hard for me... maybe i'm just getting old, but i always have associated that music with testosterone... i will always show up to hear a live hard techno dj though... that shit i always get into.. peace, holly
Re: [313] Old recording techniques...
I used to work with four track reel-to-reel recording shit off of a Sequential Circuits Pro-One. Condensing tracks using two four tracks, splicing, cutting...making mistakes and finding that they sound better than your original intention. Love that "old" stuff. Fred From: c myster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Old recording techniques... Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:37:29 -0500 What impresses me is the attention to Detail. Derrick would would actually Splice peices of tape and insert it backwards to give it that backspin sound. If you've worked with Linear analog tape or even fixing old eaten cassette tapes, you can respect the amount of tedious time that went into it. mystro YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Old recording techniques...
I think there is definatly something very profound about the analogue sound of real to real as opposed to ADAT. When you record digitally every millisecond of time is accounted for and everything inbetween doesn't exsist. When you use tape, there exsists another dimension of time. Inbetween each kick drum is some kind of space that often sounds like hiss or noise. I think this space is a result of the environment in which you are recording, and perhaps even the physic vibrations in the room. One technique that can be used in recording is to add an additional track, that is a recording of a desired ambient atmosphere. One idea is to record yourself while you sleeping one night with a mic and speed it up and dub it in over a track with very low gain. Anybody else have any ideas? Sevn
RE: [313] Old recording techniques...
Check out the roster on DeepChord records..it's Detroit, it clicks, and it knows how to go deep. www.deepchord.com Fred From: "Gwendal Cobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] Old recording techniques... Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:37:36 +0200 > I'd rather listen to lo-fi tracks with tape hiss, tracks that > have emotion > and trying, than to listen to these clinical super produced > 909-kick tracks. Talking about which... I know these two are not Detroit artists, but are there any Detroit artists doing such a great and interesting job as Pole and Muslimgauze when it comes to playing with cracks, errors, add tape hiss etc ? Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
radio playlist June 19th (Summertime is Here)
Well, thanks to Dave Siska et. al. I've got a radio show timeslot back for the summer months. Chicago listeners can tune in Mondays 10-11pm to WNUR 89.3fm. Or web listeners check out http://www.wnur.org for a stream during showtime. (blue)Monday June 19th, 10-11pm Theo Parrish - Summertime is Here (Sound Signature) Danny Wang - Silver Trophies ep, A1 (Environ) Legowelt - Nuisance Lover (Bunker) Cerrone - Supernature (Cotillion, '77) Legowelt - Geneva Hideout (Bunker) Markus Nikolai - Shake! Dimbied remix (Perlon) Model 500 - Neptune (R&S) Basic Channel - Radiance (Basic Channel) Thoman Brinkmann/Soulcenter* - Respect (W.v.B. Enterprises/NL) YMO - Technopolis (A&M, '80) Jacob's Optical Stairway - Solar Feelings, Claude Young's Kyoto Soul dub (R&S) Isolee - Gallus (Playhouse) I will be recording each show and eventually archiving them all online as RealAudio files as well, so if you missed it there's always another chance at http://macqueen.com/radio (as soon as my MiniDisc gets out of the repair shop) :) peace -- Matt MacQueen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.reverbmag.com archived radio shows --> http://macqueen.com/radio
Detroit, London, er Manchester
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:23:52 +0100 From: "Nick Hardie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Detroit, London, er Manchester I find it interesting that you chose London as the UK city to compare = with Detroit, while Manchester holds just as important a place in UK / = European culture and has more in common with Detroit. I guess its no surprise = that both soul music and techno sold around Manchester before it sold around London. And Leeds and Sheffield..they were too busy in London with their clique-y little parties! zip Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Model500's latest LP ( was :detroit=stagnation...hardcore=progression)
Talking about that... As I'm reading this, I'm thinking about Model500's first track from Mind & Body - excuse me if it has already been discussed here, but I wasn't a subscriber when it was released... well, to me this track is extremely interesting, feels like Atkins has been listening a lot to the most interesting "electronica /IDM" stuff, mostly Autechre, and has managed to completely integrate it with his previous work, and spit out something very interesting, perfectly balanced ? Gwendal > and i've yet to hear any > > breathing from detroit artists on life support. They > > might as well be burried with the rest of the dog > > shit. > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
Re: [313] Capricorn - 20 Hz
nope that was the original mix...stacey just played it over the end of another track. what's with that tune getting pulled out again...i've heard it 4 times since DEMF...wicked. pw In a message dated 6/19/00 7:46:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I'm not sure if that's it. I used to have it on a crap compilation and >it > >doesn't sound the same. Maybe I had a weird remix? Not particularly by >the > >mix Stacey Pullen played though if it is a different mix... > > > >Tristan
Re: [313] [was] Innovator Vs. Red Planet [now is] manners, and hodge podge
The Yardbirds may have beaten the Beatles to the punch, and Brian Williams get's into the mix with Pet Sounds. Hate to be a stickler, but it's "Brian Wilson". Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] [was] Innovator Vs. Red Planet [now is] manners, and hodge podge
on 6/20/00 9:56 AM, Nathan DeYonker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 2) Derek Plaslaiko ended his intense acid workout at DEMF with The Beatles > "Taxman" from Revolver, which is I suppose the first "acid" record that I > own. Do people that know a lot about rock n roll consider Revolver to be > the first acid record? Pretty clever of Derek eh? Was anyone else in rock n > roll, or maybe jazz/soul or another genre experimenting with the > psychedelic sound that way way early? The Yardbirds may have beaten the Beatles to the punch, and Brian Williams get's into the mix with Pet Sounds. Check an interesting essay at: http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=J244 At the forefront of jazz at the same time was Coltrane and Davis, and early avant garde innovators like Ornette Coleman. Sun Ra had pretty much already been there for a while though. -- There4IM
Re: [313] Re: black artists, but who gives a fuck?
It appears my comments have been taken the wrong way, I do aplogise if I made myself less than clear...(sorry Fred!). I was not for a moment suggesting that we ignore the huge debt owed by all of us to ethnic communities around the world for the inhumane treatment they have been subject to. I do actually think it is utterly shameful the way that privilaged white communities now try to buy in on black artists innovations and creativity and call it thier own. This is a problem all over the world and I for one think it's a disgrace given the history of opression and mistreatment. I do know some of the history of black america as I am a music student, specialising in ethnomusicology. I know in its self this is worth a big 'so what?', but I'm doing it because I have a keen interest and respect for ethnic music of all types and how western culture has become so immersed in these new types of music, literature and art, but without aknowledging the roots. Indeed ever since Elvis, white artists have plagerised black ideas, put a cute white face on it all and called it their own. It's little wonder why the black communities are so defensive now. I know I cannot understand the victims point of view in this, as (hands up) being a white boy from Glasgow, my social upbringing was very different. All I was meaning was that from "my point of view", I think music is music, soul is soul wherever you come from; I knew this at 8 years old when I first watched 'Woodstock '69' on TV and was introduced to Sly Stone and Jimi Hendrix kicking 10 shades of shit out of white, boring, ignorant, blues-bandwagoners screaming electric guitars and no soul in it, just around the time that my mate's dad was giving us some Robert Johnson to listen to. It was seeing Sly on TV that night that changed my life and set me on a collision course with funk, then techno and house. I hope this puts my previous comments in context. I did not wish to offend anyone and have nothing but total respect for black artists in Detroit, their contribution to modern culture commands the most sincere appreciation. I perhaps thought, niavely, that most of us on the list feel the same as I do or we wouldn't be here right? History and dues aside, I think we can all take a record on its merits as music, and surely when it comes down to it that's the essence of soul. Apologies again for any misunderstanding, Niall. PS. Fred - I believe Black Nation have recently released a new Umek 12"...acceptance, integration & respect. Peace. ))\ )) o ___ )) )) (( \(( (( ((_(, (( ((...
RE: [313] Old recording techniques...
What tape hiss is concerned: this one Belgian producer, Dj Valium aka Val usually copies his new tracks on really lousy tapes from a cheap supermarket before re-recording them... He's a bit crazy, but a fun guy and he already released on labels such as Teknotica and Int. Dj Gigolo's. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:26 PM To: Gwendal Cobert; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Old recording techniques... on 6/20/00 4:37 AM, Gwendal Cobert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I'd rather listen to lo-fi tracks with tape hiss, tracks that >> have emotion >> and trying, than to listen to these clinical super produced >> 909-kick tracks. > Talking about which... I know these two are not Detroit artists, but are > there any Detroit artists doing such a great and interesting job as Pole and > Muslimgauze when it comes to playing with cracks, errors, add tape hiss etc Try listening to BVL's set: http://proto.groovetech.com/mk-demf.rxml?file=/demf/underground/day1/undergr oundday1-billvanloo.rm Bill is not locked into the specific palette of sounds (pole filters, vinyl pops, digital artifacts), but much of the inspiration for his music comes from dub-savvy producers in the "glitch" or "clicks+cuts" genres. I've really been enjoying this style lately, and Bill's set came as a very nice surprise. A promising debut, and I'm sure there's more to come. -- There4IM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Old recording techniques...
on 6/20/00 4:37 AM, Gwendal Cobert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I'd rather listen to lo-fi tracks with tape hiss, tracks that >> have emotion >> and trying, than to listen to these clinical super produced >> 909-kick tracks. > Talking about which... I know these two are not Detroit artists, but are > there any Detroit artists doing such a great and interesting job as Pole and > Muslimgauze when it comes to playing with cracks, errors, add tape hiss etc Try listening to BVL's set: http://proto.groovetech.com/mk-demf.rxml?file=/demf/underground/day1/undergr oundday1-billvanloo.rm Bill is not locked into the specific palette of sounds (pole filters, vinyl pops, digital artifacts), but much of the inspiration for his music comes from dub-savvy producers in the "glitch" or "clicks+cuts" genres. I've really been enjoying this style lately, and Bill's set came as a very nice surprise. A promising debut, and I'm sure there's more to come. -- There4IM
RE: [313] [was] Innovator Vs. Red Planet [now is] manners, andhodge podge
> 2) Derek Plaslaiko ended his intense acid workout at DEMF > with The Beatles > "Taxman" from Revolver, which is I suppose the first "acid" > record that I > own. Do people that know a lot about rock n roll consider > Revolver to be > the first acid record? Pretty clever of Derek eh? Was anyone > else in rock n > roll, or maybe jazz/soul or another genre experimenting with the > psychedelic sound that way way early? hi "troll" ;-) As far as I know, "Revolver" dates from when the Beatles and the Beach Boys were competing, so you may also want to check out the BB's "Pet Sounds" (which kind of matches "Revolver") and their "Smiley Smile" (which includes the remnants of "Smile", which was intended as their answer to "Sgt Pepper's". And I'm not sure of this, but I think that about at the same time, on the jazz side, there were keyboard players experimenting with the first proto-synths, especially Herbie Hancock and Sun Ra (this goes really off topic I guess, but the themes they had at the time, black people finding a new home in space etc, are very close to some UR stuff ?) And finally you may want to check Pierre Henry's work, he is most known for "Psycho Jerk", but still sounds very modern ; I have to check the dates though... And as early as the fifties, you already had some amazing "exotica/lounge" stuff using tons of very weird sound effects... Gwendal
Soundstream
Nathan DeYonker wrote: > > > 3) The Sound Stream record that people were talking about is in my opinion > the most freaked out house 12" i've maybe ever heard. Someone was saying > there were Sound-Hack? records that have the same sound and might be the > same artist or artists. Can someone give more information/reviews on those > records and tell where to find them? > Is Erik and Fiedel from Berlin. They were also responsible for the MMM releases (in a similar disco cut-up style to the Soundhack records). All of that stuff should still be available from Hardwax. Sean.
Re: [313] Innovator Vs. Red Planet
Jongsma, K.J. wrote: > > > > Yeh - you're talking out of your ass (that's as diplomatic as > > I can be!) > > Hmmm one of the rules for starting a flame war is to insult people or the > use of sarcasm, just a tought... The internet is a great way to exchange > information but reply-ing with an e-mail like this is not spreading > information. There is no information found in these kind of replies. The information to be found is that it is a nonsense to come onto 313 and in a couple of lines dismiss May's early tracks as "dodgy". I am in no way trying to start a flame war _ I'm just getting sick of some of the rubbish being spouted on the list these days. Besides, during the 6 years I've been on 313, I definitely remember a time when humour was allowed. V. close to unsubbing... Sean.
RE: [313] [was] Innovator Vs. Red Planet [now is] manners, and hodge podge
Klaas-Jan said, Hmmm one of the rules for starting a flame war is to insult people or the use of sarcasm, just a tought... The internet is a great way to exchange information but reply-ing with an e-mail like this is not spreading information. There is no information found in these kind of replies. It seems that there are are a lot of e-mails on the 313-list nowadays with replies like this. Before posting a message to this list try to realise that 800 people are getting your email. If you don't like some else his statement please reply with some arguments and not just one-liners. Maybe this would help to increase info-crap ratio. PS. This is not a personal attack against Sean just something to think over for all of us. Klaas-Jan Jongsma Right on Klaas, this list has been quite different since the festival time, and I want to share a few thoughts with people that are in line with your comments. When I joined this email list a bit more than 4 years ago, I did not join because I wanted to give everyone my opinion, I joined because I wanted to learn about Detroit techno. I think I had been on the list for a half a year before my first post. There were people here with knowledge, and these people were enjoying conversation about this knowledge. I was AFRAID to post. This list was intimidating back then. Perhaps people are joining 313 with different goals now. I still don't know jack shit about Detroit techno, even after all these years of reading, going out, hanging out, even making music... there's just too much to learn and too many records to own. People shouldn't be getting assraped just because they don't like a certain Atkins record, or think newer Detroit sounds better than older detroit. How about entitling people to some opinions in our moderately free world??? I also wish people would reply privately to posts a bit more, instead of trying to get "313 credibility" with their sarcastic or just plain rude responses to people. Shut up and listen to people. Try talking about the music for a change! It seems like no new spectacular records have come out since the DEMF. This can't be true! Anyway, I will try and get some positive discussion going? 1) Sean Deason played a bunch of rock jams from his Allegory and Metaphor(s?) LP at the festival, I wasn't paying 100% attention to the discussion a while back, but I thought there was some squabble over the release of the album. Sean, is this out yet? Who ended up putting it out, or who will put it out? 2) Derek Plaslaiko ended his intense acid workout at DEMF with The Beatles "Taxman" from Revolver, which is I suppose the first "acid" record that I own. Do people that know a lot about rock n roll consider Revolver to be the first acid record? Pretty clever of Derek eh? Was anyone else in rock n roll, or maybe jazz/soul or another genre experimenting with the psychedelic sound that way way early? 3) The Sound Stream record that people were talking about is in my opinion the most freaked out house 12" i've maybe ever heard. Someone was saying there were Sound-Hack? records that have the same sound and might be the same artist or artists. Can someone give more information/reviews on those records and tell where to find them? n8 (I was called a troll by Dancexstacy. SPOT ON, TIGER!)
Re: [313] Derrick May - The Baseball Player
And while on the topic of May's non-existent output... Does anyone remember a Jockey Slut interview with him where he says he would be releasing an album of "the future of techno" done by Mr. May and Ken Ishii? My young impressionable mind was quite dissapointed in the outcome of that little farse. Ya I remember reading about that years ago. Never heard anything else about it. Was it ever released (or even made)? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Old recording techniques...
From: c myster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Old recording techniques... Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:37:29 -0500 What impresses me is the attention to Detail. Derrick would would actually Splice peices of tape and insert it backwards to give it that backspin sound. If you've worked with Linear analog tape or even fixing old eaten cassette tapes, you can respect the amount of tedious time that went into it. mystro While we're on this thread, I would recommend "The History Of House" book that came out a couple years ago. I think it's a UK release through The Mix magazine, so you could probably get it from them. The interviews in there are priceless, and the Detroit ones are from the heyday (88-89). From what you learn about the technology Atkins, May, Saunderson (even Larry Heard, Li'l Louis, man! down to Kraftwerk)had to work with to come up with such timeless music, you have to wonder why there's so much garbage - along with some good stuff - now that we have *way* better tools to work with! My 2 centavos. JVelez Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Innovator Vs. Red Planet
I think they're both very different albums reflecting the diversity of the detroit sound. They both share similarities between them but the definition of "detroit" electronic music is kinda loose. I know what I like tho...:) I couldn't put early Red Planet stuff and D.May's stuff in the same set... not straight after each other anyhow but they're both really good albums in my opinion... Nick:) --- Turlough Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "I'd rather listen to Red Planet or "Innovator" than > almost anything > else made in the electronic genre, up to and > including today, because > it still sounds fresh and energetic, not to mention > tremendously deep." > > > I don't think that the "Innovator" comp. is a patch > on the Red Planet album. > Sure it has good tracks but some of it sounds very > dodgy now (that's as > diplomatic as I can be). > > Any thoughts?? > > ps. please don't go mad! > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Innovator Vs. Red Planet
Sean Creen wrote: > Turlough Murphy wrote: > > > I don't think that the "Innovator" comp. is a patch on the > Red Planet album. > > Sure it has good tracks but some of it sounds very dodgy > now (that's as > > diplomatic as I can be). > > > > Any thoughts?? Keep in mind that most Red Planet tracks are recorded on better machines and probellery withbetter recording knowledge the the Innovator tracks. Besides being an innovator Derrick also was pioneering on this whole 'new' way of making music in technical way. > Yeh - you're talking out of your ass (that's as diplomatic as > I can be!) Hmmm one of the rules for starting a flame war is to insult people or the use of sarcasm, just a tought... The internet is a great way to exchange information but reply-ing with an e-mail like this is not spreading information. There is no information found in these kind of replies. It seems that there are are a lot of e-mails on the 313-list nowadays with replies like this. Before posting a message to this list try to realise that 800 people are getting your email. If you don't like some else his statement please reply with some arguments and not just one-liners. Maybe this would help to increase info-crap ratio. PS. This is not a personal attack against Sean just something to think over for all of us. Klaas-Jan Jongsma --- http://technotourist.org http://home.planet.nl/~kjongsma http://lowlands.hyperreal.org
Re: [313] track I.D.
on 6/20/00 6:25 AM, Seth electricpress at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think this is one I should already know... > I need a track I.D. it's on a Voodoo tape from around '96 -nice string > lines, very detroity. Deep, slightly vocodered, voice saying something: > > computers are the futureworld, > we play em for the boys and girls, That should be "programmed for the boys and girls" > theres nothing we dont understand, > were smarter than the normal man, Jamie Jupitor - "Computer Power" released in 1985. Happy hunting. -- There4IM
Re: [313] Innovator Vs. Red Planet
Turlough Murphy wrote: > I don't think that the "Innovator" comp. is a patch on the Red Planet album. > Sure it has good tracks but some of it sounds very dodgy now (that's as > diplomatic as I can be). > > Any thoughts?? > Yeh - you're talking out of your ass (that's as diplomatic as I can be!) Sean.
Innovator Vs. Red Planet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "I'd rather listen to Red Planet or "Innovator" than almost anything else made in the electronic genre, up to and including today, because it still sounds fresh and energetic, not to mention tremendously deep." I don't think that the "Innovator" comp. is a patch on the Red Planet album. Sure it has good tracks but some of it sounds very dodgy now (that's as diplomatic as I can be). Any thoughts?? ps. please don't go mad! Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [313] Re: DJAX Up Book??
slight correction, euh hi John :-) http://www.djax.nl Pieter extremely hot weather in Amsterdam ;-( Pieter Lub Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam / Amsterdam University Library Interbibliothecair Leenverkeer / Inter Library Loan Postbus 19185 NL-1000 GD Amsterdam The Netherlands e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uba.uva.nl http://www.tv-99-ad.com http://www.mp3.com/artists/30/tv99ad.html tel. + 31 (0)20-525 2322 fax + 31 (0)20-623 6070
RE: [313] Re: DJAX Up Book??
Yeah it is indeed a really nice book, beautiful pictures, nice Artwork. But the cd is kinda a lame. Espescially the trax from Miss Djax herself are not interesting at all. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Verzonden: dinsdag 20 juni 2000 14:39 > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > 313@hyperreal.org > Onderwerp: RE: [313] Re: DJAX Up Book?? > > > It's the history of ten years Djax-Up, with lots of artwork ( > a lot by a > certain mister Alan D Oldham..:), lots of pictures, info > about artists etc. > also a lot on the sublabels of Djax-Up. The book is mainly an > artwork kinda > thing, but it's done extremey nice! > > Djax has an extremely nice website, you should check it out: > http://www.djax > Go to Ten Years Djax for more info on the book! > > > John > > -Original Message- > From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 1:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 > Subject: [313] Re: DJAX Up Book?? > > > Peter: > > Did I miss something or has no one mentioned this booK? > > > > I found it to be a very cool item... comes with a CD, too. > > What's it about? Who's it written by? > > Tom > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
RE: [313] Re: DJAX Up Book??
It's the history of ten years Djax-Up, with lots of artwork ( a lot by a certain mister Alan D Oldham..:), lots of pictures, info about artists etc. also a lot on the sublabels of Djax-Up. The book is mainly an artwork kinda thing, but it's done extremey nice! Djax has an extremely nice website, you should check it out: http://www.djax Go to Ten Years Djax for more info on the book! John -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 1:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: [313] Re: DJAX Up Book?? Peter: > Did I miss something or has no one mentioned this booK? > > I found it to be a very cool item... comes with a CD, too. What's it about? Who's it written by? Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mr Shakir's Beat Shop
> So, I never got an answer about Shake's "Mr. Shakir's Beat Shop" - how > does it compare to the downtempo tracks on his Frictional 12"s? Well, I didn't buy it, though it is an interesting record. It's basically lots of short drum tracks done in Shake's usual individual style, but there are no full tracks as such - it's more of a DJ tool I guess... Tom
Re: DJAX Up Book??
Peter: > Did I miss something or has no one mentioned this booK? > > I found it to be a very cool item... comes with a CD, too. What's it about? Who's it written by? Tom
DEMF
Right... last track ID's from me... ohmigod but I've just got to get these tracks. All are in Kevin Saunderson's first mix: http://proto.groovetech.com/mk-demf.rxml?file=/demf/mainstage/day3/demfstage day3-kevinsaunderson.rm 1) 15 mins in. Deep luscious track which is continually building up and breaking down again only to be brought back up. 2) 24.12 mins in. Has a female vocal in "I'm happy!" in parts. Another deeep track with vocals along the lines of: "Tonight wonderful things are about to happen" at the beginning. 3) 46.30 mins in. Tribal stormer with a male vocal throughtout shouting goodness knows what but it sounds like he's saying: "we coulda meet my underground" ??. Probably no-where near it though ;) If anyone knows even one of these tracks. Please let me know. If you know all these tracks please don't tell me as I'll get too excited at the prospect of buying them ;) Thanks Rich
Re: [313] Old recording techniques...
What impresses me is the attention to Detail. Derrick would would actually Splice peices of tape and insert it backwards to give it that backspin sound. If you've worked with Linear analog tape or even fixing old eaten cassette tapes, you can respect the amount of tedious time that went into it. mystro YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
track I.D.
I think this is one I should already know... I need a track I.D. it's on a Voodoo tape from around '96 -nice string lines, very detroity. Deep, slightly vocodered, voice saying something: computers are the futureworld, we play em for the boys and girls, theres nothing we dont understand, were smarter than the normal man, any help would be much appreciated in the words of pokemon traders, "got, got, got , got... ned" Seth The Electric Press Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: black artists, but who gives a fuck?
"these music styles, BECAUSE they are black art forms had to be imported BACK to us from overseas" As has already been said, nothing is original. Techno developed from major influences from other cities and artists (Black and White) So did Drum and Bass. I agree...The history is important, particularly since there are people out there who have forgotten the origins...but Techno WAS a black american art form. It has now absorbed too much from other countries to be considered only that. Any restriction in definition will cause people to reject artists who are white, non-american, etc. etc. and smacks of elitism. Techno is about inclusivity -If things are defined by race we will only lose out on good music in the end... Seth The Electric Press P.S. A message to whoever mentioned the Hardwax Sound-stream record, there's another one out called Donna or something(Four M's on the label) real funky, bleepy techno track with a load of locked grooves on the other side -highly recommended Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Re: UR Vote
This happens too often when I go down to Leeds on a Saturday. Some of the guys in there listen to the same tracks again and again!! I waited for half an hour before a turntable was free... I spose you don't think about anyone else tho once you put those headphones on... record stores are another world... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) > Nothing is worse though than being stuck in line > behind someone who has a > massive pile of vinyl, who listens to every single > second of all the tracks > and ends up buying one record. Especially when there > is one deck in the shop > and you only have three or so records you want a > quick listen just to make > sure you're buying what you think you're buying. > > *grumble* > > out. > d. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Frankfurt scene
Gabriel Le Mar and Michael Kohlbecker also go under the guise Montauk P and along with Alex Azary release stuff under the name Saafi Brothers. Production by both of these guises are on the Blue Room label (famous for releases by legendary goa trancers Total Eclipse, Koxbox and Juno Reactor). I s'pose Montauk P is more techno than trance tho and Saafi Brothers stuff is unbelievably deep and chilled. I spose you could call it ambient. Something from my psy trance past... Later, Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- FRED MCMURRY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >General Electronic Music is also from Frankfurt and > they have some great > >ambient releases esp. the ambient stuff! > > General Electronic Music (GEM), Hey Babe!, Planet > Vision (Pascal FEOS's > label), Elektrolux, PV is all under the same group > of people, most notably > Gabriel Le Mar, Alex Azary, Dariush Azary, and > Michael Kohlbecker. > This quote was taken from > http://www.franken.de./users/tursa/Saafi_discog.html > about how Elektrolux was started > "We did many things with Sven Väth, and he suggested > to us to make our own > label. In this way he was a kind of godfather for > Elektrolux. At the same > time Gabriel and I worked in the studio, we also did > tracks with Pascal > F.E.O.S. (who is also a part of Resistance D). So we > founded Elektrolux > where we released our Aural Float album." > Alex Azary, VIVA television interview, Feb/1998. > > I just picked up the Index ID cd "Schlafphase" which > is a great blend of > ambient, Infiniti-ish techno crossed with Tejada > style house, and cool > Frankfurt dub influences. The packaging of the CDs > are excellent and very > resource conscious. The artwork on these CDs and > records are fabulous every > day images that are hightend and made very > mysterious. Future music. Works > well with the real late-night lush Detroit music. > They also produce good > dub, electro and ambient. > > Fred > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Forthcoming Plus8 & Minus releases...
> Plus 8 Classics v1: '90-92 - plus8071cd - enhanced cd - september > Plus 8 Classics v2: '93-94 - plus8073cd - enhanced cd - october > Plus 8 Classics v3: '94-97 - plus8075cd - enhanced cd - november I love it when these labels do something for younger techno fans eager to catch up... Gwendal
RE: [313] Old recording techniques...
> I'd rather listen to lo-fi tracks with tape hiss, tracks that > have emotion > and trying, than to listen to these clinical super produced > 909-kick tracks. Talking about which... I know these two are not Detroit artists, but are there any Detroit artists doing such a great and interesting job as Pole and Muslimgauze when it comes to playing with cracks, errors, add tape hiss etc ? Gwendal
RE: [313] Re: UR Vote
> without making a purchase. If you want to listen to stuff > without buying > anything do it online...don't bother the person behind the > counter because > most likely he/she has to put back that big pile o'wax. which prevents you from discovering great music from the advice of the very pretty girl at the counter... Gwendal
Re: [313] Re: UR Vote
> >but going to a record shop, picking up a stack o' wax and just listening > >all day is priceless. > > I've heard directly from shop workers about people who do this though, that > is, those who listen without buying anything. They hate them. There's not a > faster way of pissing them off than grabbing stacks of records and listening > without making a purchase. If you want to listen to stuff without buying Nothing is worse though than being stuck in line behind someone who has a massive pile of vinyl, who listens to every single second of all the tracks and ends up buying one record. Especially when there is one deck in the shop and you only have three or so records you want a quick listen just to make sure you're buying what you think you're buying. *grumble* out. d.
RE: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust"
how can you respect a DJ who trainwrecks m ore then me.of the numerous time i have seen him he has only been good twice. and i know one of the time was when the promoter gave him coke. i know the promoter, so you can't say that shit ain't true. only jackasses who don't know anything about DJing like him. as for his producing, it has sucked for the past couple of years. his style hasn't changed in the last 10, but he ran out of ideas long ago. jeff "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton > -Original Message- > From: e&a rinon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:49 PM > To: FC3 Richards > Subject: Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust" > > > -Original Message- > From: FC3 Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 'd main' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' <313@hyperreal.org> > Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2000 14:20 > Subject: RE: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust" > > > >>I invite anyone to see his show. People like bones, > >>beltram and many many others give him mass respect for > >>his lively non dat shows. Call sonic groove and ask if > >>you don't belive me. People know he's 100% fucking > >>live and wicked. In fact he's probably the best live > >>p.a. the last 2 years. > > > >yeah, they are a real authority of whats good and whats not. > > > actualy,to me they are > yes this guy is an idiot but don't slug ppl that have started > this scene alltogether,becouse of what he sez > > > >Linda is alot more the Frankie will ever be. if i remember right frankie > >owes his residency in detroit to her. > > > > > you must be joking > bones is probably as respected a dj as May,in a lot of places > and no i don't think his musical output is so great now > but respect is def due > > e,r >
DJAX Up Book??
Did I miss something or has no one mentioned this booK?
I found it to be a very cool item... comes with a CD, too.
Keep up the good work, Saskia
/Peter
{Ducks to avoid flying tomatoes from one Alan Old-ham} :o)
Re: [313] downtempo Isolee?
don't forget the first LP from Rajko Müller "Rest" out now on Playhouse. peace u f -- FRED MCMURRY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Re: > >Also.. _please_ listen to Isolee, however not > related directly to detroit > >style, these guys or guy or girl (any info anyone?) > are essentiallly the > >autechre of house music. Featured on Free Zone 5 > or 6, I can't remember. > > > >Scott > > Isolee is Rajko Muller. He records on Playhouse > primarily. A fantastic > dp house label. The big one he did recently was > Beau Mot Plage, > originally on Playhouse but re-released on Classic > records with remixes by > DJ Q and others. Rajko Muller also remixed Blaze's > Lovely Dae also on > Playhouse.You can find connections to them by going > to > http://www.mad-net.de/data/labels.html > > Fred > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Trying....bullshit
When was "Bounce your body to the box" made? You can tell it's older but not exactly how much. That side (of planet E release) along with "You don't know how to play our music" both just JACK. Circa early nineties maybe, or older? He definitely utilizes his instruments to the max. >Thats what makes some of Kevin Saundersons early productions such >masterpiecess. >"Electronic Dance" is probably one of my favorite tracks of all time. I still spin Derrick's stuff cause theres nothin like his minimal 909 flanger workouts. Mystrosity YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
ruff guide
>I've got a copy of it sitting in my hot little hands right now. It's been >available in Australia for a couple of weeks now. It's pretty good >actually. Very good coverage of all the 313 artists. yep it is very good. i was a little surprised to find things like leftfield and the prodigy still included in books like this (as well as in 'techno rebels' - also v.g) although i guess that given the recent success of events such as the demf we might even find that when ppl think of techno in the future they think of detroit FIRST. it'd be about time :^)... p-dogg
RE: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust"
>I invite anyone to see his show. People like bones, >beltram and many many others give him mass respect for >his lively non dat shows. Call sonic groove and ask if >you don't belive me. People know he's 100% fucking >live and wicked. In fact he's probably the best live >p.a. the last 2 years. yeah, they are a real authority of whats good and whats not. Second who the fuck is detroit science? LOL Yeah that's what i thought. Absolutely NOTHING. Linda is alot more the Frankie will ever be. if i remember right frankie owes his residency in detroit to her. i would believe her long before i believe most people... jeff "THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY" -George Clinton
where is george when ya need him?
paging mr. george smiley. This list could really use your help right now. A few people need to be kicked off this list...and there are what looks like 2 addresses that are probably the same person. On a 313 topic...does anyone know who did that record on KMS by The Closer? It's real nice...both cuts. eagerly awaiting that new album by CiM (everyone needs to check out his stuff if you wanna hear real deep innovative techno) minto
ENOUGH
First of all, who in their right mind would buy records from this arsehole "danceextacy"? I know where you can put the records, gabberboy. Secondly, where is the moderator? anyone? Last- this shite is getting real old! If you don't like detroit techno, get off the list, very simple. Dissing D.May on the 313 list is like pissing on an electric fence. NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR STUPID ASS ANYWAY. out- T (I know this is what most of you folks are thinking) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Jay Denham in U.S.
Just in case anybody cares: Jay Denham will be available to play in the U.S. from August 17th to Sept. 6th (except for Aug. 26th). For bookings contact D.G. Hubbard, Jr. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 616-342-5594 . Best regards, D.G. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
YOKOTA, Susumu: Mix EP
From: FRED MCMURRY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 9:21 PM Subject: [313] downtempo for diana >YOKOTA, Susumu: Mix EP (Leaf) Has anyone heard/have this? I love his stuff, including/especially the downtempo offerings. His "Cat, Mouse and Me" album really grows on ya. And although it's borderline trance, his first album on Harthouse was some of the most involved trance of the '93/94 period. Not your average crap wagon, more like early Mills with a hint of trance influence. "Cat, Mouse and Me" is one you'd probably like Diana! Plus it's got that great Detroitish house track "One Way" that was remixed by Derrick Carter and Salt City Orchestra. All the mixes are great, but I think I still prefer the original. Tristan == PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, "Québécois", online now. -Original Message- __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [313] essential downtempo 313?
Phonopsia wrote: > > For that matter, check out DJ Marathon's set at DEMF. Although I missed it > when I was there, it holds up quite nicely at groovetech Thanks! I appreciate the compliment. One thing, and I'm sure it'll sound pedantic: I use my own name (Bill VanLoo) for my original music - dj marathon is the alter-ego who only comes out at night ;-) So, I never got an answer about Shake's "Mr. Shakir's Beat Shop" - how does it compare to the downtempo tracks on his Frictional 12"s? Thanks, Bill
Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust" party
>Just goes to show you: sweeping generalizations about genres are never legit. Yeah, like seeing derrick may in 95 was a lot of fun. Talk about dead dat. What a joke. LOL >Too bad Mr. Chesler foud performing a live p.a. "too >hard." Too bad you can't spell found, kiddie. And you're just another sheep along with dead(i mean detroit)science. Done __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: 313 t-shirt
Batory, Jason wrote: > > Whats happening with the t-shirt? > > We gonna have a vote? > > Respect > JasonB hi, as i had written; > -- > > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:46:28 -0400 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > From: Eric Iverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: t-shirts - more to come > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ok, there's going to be some changes yet to > the t-shirts submissions; one graphic was > messed up, so i'll fix it; one person who > said they would submit designs had an > emergency, so i'll post theirs soon; and > since i'm breaking my own rules, i'll post > an extra design from one person submitted > 5 instead of 4. no more new submissions, please! > > this will take me some time--day job gets in > the way--so be patient. as usual, the url is > http://objektsynth.com/313/ > > --eric > > -- progress so far is that * i have fixed the buggy entry #21. * there are 3 remaining entries, double sided, that are not up there yet. i have to fix one image that doesn't want to upload properly! * the "extra design" will stay unseen. * there was also someone who sent me a design late, too large, and without a valid e-mail address. i'd like to finish this up soon and move along to a vote. 'i've been very tired lately and had other projects that demand my attention. don't worry, it won't be long. --eric
Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust" party
>--- detroit science <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the "by the bridge" space two >years ago. First of all that's the biggest load of shit i believe i've ever read. You can get people to back it up all you want but oliver never even played out there. But wheather he did or not is beside the point. Intelligent and forward people know this. He plays 100% live these days. Second who the fuck is detroit science? LOL Yeah that's what i thought. Absolutely NOTHING. This message has been forwarded to oliver by the way though, strictly for comedic content. I'm sure he'll get a big laugh at some dumbasses self inadequacies and lies. LoL >his supposed "live" gig was in fact a track act to a > dat. I invite anyone to see his show. People like bones, beltram and many many others give him mass respect for his lively non dat shows. Call sonic groove and ask if you don't belive me. People know he's 100% fucking live and wicked. In fact he's probably the best live p.a. the last 2 years. Seeing him do mission extacy, one night in n.y.c. and flesh is the fever etc etc. Is pretty fucking impressive and he's always got the crowd dancing. It's rather Impressive. And his parter/brother alexander(acrosome) uses a jp8080 among other instruments when oliver is mc'ing. And I know for a fact he's been helping oliver since a few years ago So you're full of shit, hip-hop kiddie. Anyone who's into hip-hop has gotta be a loser anyway. Typical though, an idiot into eMpTy-V cheese hip-hop style would talk shit because oliver(the horrorsit) rips shit over any rap mc and litterally makes them look like run dmc at the playground wearing kikwears and keds. HAHAA I can't help but laugh at your stupidity and lies. I'm done. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
downtempo for diana
I'd email you directly but I trashed your mail by accident... More jazz/downtempo stuff I've just heard from The Dance Music Resource Pages (it's in the UK but should be available in the US soon if not already): MARASMA: On Time (DB Low) BAYAKA: Salia (Flower Japan) has good Latin shuffle LOVE & MUSIC: Bluekey Sessions EP (unknown label US) what this email list should be about. YOKOTA, Susumu: Mix EP (Leaf) Fred From: "Chris Tourgelis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] downtempo 313? Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:10:14 +1000 Isn't Bill Laswell another person originally from Ann Arbor? He's done some pretty interesting downtempo stuff (as well as some pretty ordinary stuff too). The 2nd CD on that Axiom Dub compilation has been in my player a lot this past week - been addicted to that Mad Professor track. chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] The shirt...
Yah! I want to know what's up with the shirt! I'm going to WEMF and I bet lots of you are also and I'd LOVE to meet some of y'all :) (Super excited, but managing to contain it :) Lata, +|~Christine~|+
RE: [313] downtempo 313?
Isn't Bill Laswell another person originally from Ann Arbor? He's done some pretty interesting downtempo stuff (as well as some pretty ordinary stuff too). The 2nd CD on that Axiom Dub compilation has been in my player a lot this past week - been addicted to that Mad Professor track. chris
313 t-shirt
Whats happening with the t-shirt? We gonna have a vote? Respect JasonB
Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust"
Dude.. Anyone who's into hip-hop has gotta be a loser anyway. Was that really called for? Don't diss the music just because you disagree with the person. The two are unrelated. Wise up. Fred From: d main <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:20:19 -0700 (PDT) >--- detroit science <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the "by the bridge" space two >years ago. First of all that's the biggest load of shit i believe i've ever read. You can get people to back it up all you want but oliver never even played out there. But wheather he did or not is beside the point. Intelligent and forward people know this. He plays 100% live these days. Second who the fuck is detroit science? LOL Yeah that's what i thought. Absolutely NOTHING. This message has been forwarded to oliver by the way though, strictly for comedic content. I'm sure he'll get a big laugh at some dumbasses self inadequacies and lies. LoL >his supposed "live" gig was in fact a track act to a > dat. I invite anyone to see his show. People like bones, beltram and many many others give him mass respect for his lively non dat shows. Call sonic groove and ask if you don't belive me. People know he's 100% fucking live and wicked. In fact he's probably the best live p.a. the last 2 years. Seeing him do mission extacy, one night in n.y.c. and flesh is the fever etc etc. Is pretty fucking impressive and he's always got the crowd dancing. It's rather Impressive. And his parter/brother alexander(acrosome) uses a jp8080 among other instruments when oliver is mc'ing. And I know for a fact he's been helping oliver since a few years ago So you're full of shit, hip-hop kiddie. Anyone who's into hip-hop has gotta be a loser anyway. Typical though, an idiot into eMpTy-V cheese hip-hop style would talk shit because oliver(the horrorsit) rips shit over any rap mc and litterally makes them look like run dmc at the playground wearing kikwears and keds. HAHAA I can't help but laugh at your stupidity and lies. I'm done. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [313] Re: UR Vote
RE: but going to a record shop, picking up a stack o' wax and just listening all day is priceless. I've heard directly from shop workers about people who do this though, that is, those who listen without buying anything. They hate them. There's not a faster way of pissing them off than grabbing stacks of records and listening without making a purchase. If you want to listen to stuff without buying anything do it online...don't bother the person behind the counter because most likely he/she has to put back that big pile o'wax. So if you do go into a store, bring some wedge and make sure that you walk out with at least one record. Also, that way..if you've heard it online, when you go into the store you know what you're looking for. Makes you look reeaal smart too. From: Ryan Heard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313 List <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] Re: UR Vote Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:28:59 -0700 If you want to check out music: www.satelliterecords.com www.planetxusa.com www.groovetech.com ... Just to name a few, have archived UR records in .ra for listening (about the same quality as poopy record shop needles). This method is great for learning about and listening to old records you probably won't see again... but going to a record shop, picking up a stack o' wax and just listening all day is priceless. That's typically the best way to go about discovering great music without shelling out cash (although inevitably you'll want to purchase said wax). Hope this helps! Ryan Heard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: UR Vote In a message dated 6/18/00 3:16:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Turntables do not cost a lot of money and it doesn't take hundreds of dollars to buy the UR vinyl. Go to www.submerge.com I put my vote in for W.P.A.Seawolf. >> I already have a turntable and all the UR vinyl. That's not my point. Each UR record costs approx. $5. Double packs are $10+. Fifty records = at least $250. Turntable (decent) = $200+. Good cartridge = $50. Not a feasible investment for someone wanting to check music, not to mention an unrealistic investment if one is not familiar with UR. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: black artists, but who gives a fuck?
Re: Yes, I agree that the most influential techno (and house) has come from black artists, but who gives a fuck? Well, I'd say Black Nation records (Kalamazoo, Michigan) do...with track titles like Interstellar Slavery Fear Of My Own Brother Fuck The Police I Dont Hate You Racial Lines Black Power (which is a slamming tune by the way) and album/singles called Race Riot White Flight Birth of a Nation Part II Now I realize that there are other recordings on this label which don't appear to have anything to do with race other than getting Everybody to dance (which is the bottom line to all this music) but it is important to recognize where this music came from (the history IS important to Detroit music), especially if you refer back the original topic of British artists staking their ground in America like they are Christopher Columbus "discovering" Haiti all over again. Yeah, I don't care how much melanin an artist has in their skin either, however, if you look at the history of black music in America and how each genre whether it's soul music, rock, techno, blues or jazz (hip-hop is the only exception to this) became popular you'd see that these music styles, BECAUSE they are black art forms had to be imported BACK to us from overseas BECAUSE the US is still struggling with the ghosts from our past (ie slavery and harsh discriminatory social practices) and the recognition of influential black people. We have to have a Black History Month for chris'sakes! Why? Because most kids in America don't know who people like Frederick Douglass, the Tuskegee Airmen, Huey P. Newton, or Harriet Tubman are. Take this into account: From the Sacramento Bee Newspaper SACBEE - Sunday 21 Feb 1999 FORUM LOOKS AT BLACKS' PRISON STATISTICS By Stephen Magagnini "...one-third of African American men between the ages of 20 and 29 are locked up, on probation or on parole, up from one in four in 1990. - African American women are the fastest growing population in the criminal justice system, increasing by 78 percent from 1989-1994. - Over 80 percent of the 1.2 million annual drug arrests are of African American males. Crack cocaine users, who tend to be black, face sentences five times harsher than powder cocaine users, who tend to be white. - In California, African American males account for one-third of the state's prison population but just 3.7 percent of the overall population. - In Sacramento County, African Americans - who represent 9 percent of the population - account for 50 percent of those arrested for resisting arrest. - About 31 percent of African American youths and 13 percent of white youths in California live in poverty - mirroring their percentages in the California Youth Authority This is just Sacramento. These problems exist in Detroit, New York, Chicago, LA, Miami, etc. How do you think this influences the music? But I digress... What then occurs is that the American press feels more comfortable, or doesn't know better, and puts Moby on the cover of every fucking magazine calling him the techno wiz-kid. So all these kids (and older people who don't know any better) think that a twat like Moby is responsible for all this "electonica" stuff. The original point I was trying to make was that fans of Detroit techno should stand up and say...no, techno is an American black art form. Not British, not German, not Dutch, not French. I mean no offense when I say this, I love good techno wherever it comes from, who ever it comes from. It's just I can see in our press here in America that the originators are getting the short end of the stick (actually, they don't even get to hold the stick). I'm proud of the musical hertiage in America, whether it's blues, jazz, hip-hop, rock n'roll, house, or techno. I want to keep the record straight. I'm sure if the American press was saying that drum&bass was an American invention half of the UK would be spitting nails. If you want to know how dumb some people can be I used to work with a woman who was a drummer in a band who thought that Led Zepplin started rock n'roll! (No comments on her sex...it has nothing to do with it). So, who gives a fuck? I do and so should anybody who loves techno and Detroit techno who sees anybody getting it wrong. Yeah, you may know better, I may know better, and I'm sure that everyone on this list knows where and with whom techno originated. It's all those others that we must educate. So, who gives a fuck? You should. Fred PS Also check out UR and it's similarities to Public Enemy, and take a tour of 2030 and Area 1 at Submerge. Get some economic history of Detroit in ya and then you'll understand where I'm coming from. And, since I see that you are located in the UK I'm sure if you researched it you'd come up with similarities in your own country. Do you_really_ think that this issue is on the same level as "gabber vs. Detroit techno", or the usual "Trance sucks" diatribe? If you do th
Forthcoming Plus8 & Minus releases...
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Re: [313] oliver chesler/"summer's lust"
>--- detroit science <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the "by the bridge" space two >years ago. First of all that's the biggest load of shit i believe i've ever read. You can get people to back it up all you want but oliver never even played out there. But wheather he did or not is beside the point. Intelligent and forward people know this. He plays 100% live these days. Second who the fuck is detroit science? LOL Yeah that's what i thought. Absolutely NOTHING. This message has been forwarded to oliver by the way though, strictly for comedic content. I'm sure he'll get a big laugh at some dumbasses self inadequacies and lies. LoL >his supposed "live" gig was in fact a track act to a > dat. I invite anyone to see his show. People like bones, beltram and many many others give him mass respect for his lively non dat shows. Call sonic groove and ask if you don't belive me. People know he's 100% fucking live and wicked. In fact he's probably the best live p.a. the last 2 years. Seeing him do mission extacy, one night in n.y.c. and flesh is the fever etc etc. Is pretty fucking impressive and he's always got the crowd dancing. It's rather Impressive. And his parter/brother alexander(acrosome) uses a jp8080 among other instruments when oliver is mc'ing. And I know for a fact he's been helping oliver since a few years ago So you're full of shit, hip-hop kiddie. Anyone who's into hip-hop has gotta be a loser anyway. Typical though, an idiot into eMpTy-V cheese hip-hop style would talk shit because oliver(the horrorsit) rips shit over any rap mc and litterally makes them look like run dmc at the playground wearing kikwears and keds. HAHAA I can't help but laugh at your stupidity and lies. I'm done. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
