Fwd: FW: this weeks thing @ paxahau
From: Jason Huvaere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Huvaere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: this weeks thing Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:25:50 -0500 http://www.paxahau.com/mailer/weeklyevents.htm _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] True People: Detroit Techno Comp, Pacou, Rob Hood
also, i saw pacou, who was surprisngly very dissapointing. He is definitely a much better producer than dj. Rob Hood, however, was incredible. His dj set was phenominal and his live set was even better; his flawless live performance and the live female vocals were definitely the highlight of the night. I'm not sure how I feel about Rob hood's live set. I'm a longtime fan of his music, but that set left me with mixed feelings. In some ways, it was interesting to hear his take on some classic tracks. In another, I really wonder what the state of the art is when techno producers start doing sets of mostly covers. I thought covers were relegated to the classic rock set. What's next - a retro nostalgia phase of techno? A lot of people I know were really dissapointed. Which is certainly not to say you should have been, too. But it's a little distrubing when an aesthetic that prides itself on innovation starts reproducing earlier works verbatim, without really trying to make them into something new. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] True People: Detroit Techno Comp
Blake Baxter's where's the love rocks hard with extremely tactful 303 usage. What exactly is tactful 303 usage. Enlighten me. (Not to sound curt, but, I'm not looking for a defination of what a tb-303 is, or acid house, or trance anthems either.) _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] err...
I'm in rather dire need of the sage wisdom of this list and its members on this issue for a project that I'm working on. Is this good or bad for our music and culture? When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] err... (take 2)
I guess I should be a little bit more specific in terms of what other cultural phenomenon I was trying to reference. I'm thinking of the U.K. Where Mega-Mega-Mega dance clubs are commonplace and DJs are more like pop stars. Would it be generally desirable or generally NOT desireable for the U.S. to have a similar situation with regard to accessability within the consumer marketplace? That would have to be the king of all cyclical 313 threads. I'm gonna be brief for once. I think *most* of us would like to see this get a little more recognition, and *most* of us understand that there would be *some* harm to the scene if Detroit techno went, and remained top 40. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Hugh G. Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... I'm in rather dire need of the sage wisdom of this list and its members on this issue for a project that I'm working on. Is this good or bad for our music and culture? When I say this I mean the fact that the mainstream press, the marketing and advertising industries and America in general still remains clueless as to who the artists are that we are interested in, the music that we actually buy (as demonstrated by this poll). Is that a good thing or bad thing? Would it be better if every city in the US had a 5,000 person capacity multi-media and Derick May (or whoever) was in the top 40? Would that kill the spirit of the culture, in your opinion? Please answer - your opinions on this are invaluable to me. Beat me to it Atomly :) Is it just me, or is this every shade of wrong? http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] err...
Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: As for the music I think that darw_n is correct. Techno and House are very different from hip-hop for example, in that I really don't think it is possible for these artforms to be co-opted. Otto said: Don't count on it. For the US, that may be (still) true. In Europe, especially house is completely co-opted. Absorbed, gentrified, dumbed down, regurgitated and spit back out by the mass media for easy consumption by the general public. In other words: 'bagged'. *BUT*, in the process of the bagging of house, occasionally the real thing makes it to the frontline. Wamdue Kids, Paul Johnson, Harry 'Choo Choo' Romero and several other Subliminal artists, Masters At Work, St. Germain, the list goes on. And the good thing about it is, this is happening increasingly more often as the real thing shines through the dirge of the rest. Silent voices *will* be heard. This is exactly what I was trying to get at, thank you Otto. I'm working on a project right now that draws some parallels between the UK and the US, or rather makes some comparisons between the two. What I'm trying to discern is wether this commercialization is mostly good or mostly bad. That's a gross simplification, but it basically sums it up what I'm working on. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Marketing, advertising, Ford and techno (yet again)
(changed subj. to reflect content) Charles said: In seeing the add on tv a few weeks ago, all I could think was that some kid at JWT (I'm assuming...) has a big old grin on his face because he was able to push his idea through the tube I'm the one who got detroit techno on tv. I dunno why I didn't chime in on this weeks ago or whenever this all started... I work for a marketing company that handled part of the Ford Focus campaign last year. and I think I can give a little insight into all this as well... This ad campaign isn't an isolated phenomenon. IE: there isn't one young guy or girl at the ad agency that came up w/this as his baby This is part of an extended campaign to market this car to Gen Y 18-24 year olds. It has been going on since the Focus was introduced. In fact, Ford created the Fcous to have a product to market to this demographic. With this latest effort, Ford is trying to pin down an increasingly hard to pin-down youth market. Last spring, Ford (through Spin magazine) contracted the street marketing company I work for, Ground Control, to promote the car. This included distributing thousands of custom made Ford Focus lollipops (yep) at raves, record stores, and anywhere else YOU hang out. They hire companies like Ground Control because those companies know where you are, Ford doesn't. It's a decent side job, but one I don't take hella seriously. In any case, I can say with some confidence that large corporations like Ford don't usually choose their ad campaigns at the whim of some kid at the agency. Everything - from the design of the product to how it is promoted, marketed and advertised - is researched and coordinated to maximize the desired result: selling it to the consumer. This particulr (Det Tech) advertising campaign is part of a salvo of youth oriented campaigns, which fetaure a variety of interests and youth cultures, from extreme sports to young country. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] err...
Atomly quipped: Because Communists exist and Fascists exist and are diametrically opposed, politics don't exist? Dawrw_n replied: no, that's not what I said at all. Those two opposing political forces do NOT represent a single group. Let me try to re-explain... Techno has no single political, social, economic banner in which all stand united, none at all. What artistic, social or political movement ever has? None. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] (even more spam)
I think 99% of the degredation of this list is because we've ruled ourselves into a corner. And a boring, humorless corner at that. Poeple are so afraid of not kowtowing to every 313 standard (expressed and implied) that the creativity of posts has steadily decreased to a handful of cookie-cutter topics that get recycled every two months. I can't remember a a day when I DIDN'T see three posts begging forgiveness for being off topic or not relevant enough. It's not good to have the list spiraling out of control with off-topic conversation, but maybe we need to take the blinders off sometimes. Simply put, this list has a stick up its ass. flame on... Perhaps you don't understand my rigidity because you haven't seen the degradation of this list. There used to be quite informative discussions and thoroughly enlightening posts. Now the list is compromised of playlists, track spams for mp3.com, and top ten lists. I now have to sort through 100's of posts just to receive the content I wish to read. So you see the 'no spam' rule was put in place to ensure content, and not advertisement. Sorry to have missed a good spam discussion, if I could have said this all earlier I would have. Cheers i have read the 313 statement plenty of times and it seems quite flexible and open to interpretation to me. so i am surprised that anyone would be so rigid about it and preach that rigidity to fellow 313 members. in fact the general feeling i get from the list is that there are more who approve of Mr Blochs (and others) ghastly sins then there are who disapprove. you may disagree Todd, but if Mr Atkins, Mills or May posted a link to free mp3s i do not think you would be so quick to complain. if you missed the discussion recently about this spam topic you should go thru the archives and if you were not so trigger-happy with the delete key you may not have sore fingers and you wouldn't have missed last weeks ***discussion*** in the first place. i wonder if the people complaining make music themselves? also while we are on topic, i found some great music online which i definitely think pushes techno forward. www.mp3.com/bloch has some brilliant music which may be difficult to ***discuss*** if we never got to hear it.- Original Message - From: Todd Smith To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [313] (even more spam) Trust me there is no lack of passion to hear new music, if only I could cut down on hitting that delete key on off topic posts I could do a little more listening and a lot less deleting. The off topic hysteria as you like to dramaticize it as is caused by multiple subscriptions to different lists (at least in my case). Older list members may have different reasons. I have 4 jobs (including Dj'ing) and work a tremendous amount. I joined 313 for 313 content not spam. I could post a million record reviews (I work for a local paper), and could tell you what I got on vinyl this week (I work at a record store as well), but I don't because for the most part it is not 313 related. Please read the 313 statement at www.hyperreal.org todd - Original Message - From: Kao Jyan To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [313] (even more spam)i'm sure someone has mentioned this already, but the general consensus a fewweeks ago was that directing others to good FREE music on the web (even ifit is your own) is not that terrible a crime.i don't know if you are just feeling grumpy today or if you have a personalgrudge against Christian but even if you hate his music i hope you are not saying it is not 313 related cause you may cause a riot.i always want to hear new music, your post gives me the impression you may not share this passion. there are plenty of 313 posts that i am not interested in although i like toread them all but i am surprised at the lack of tolerance some 313 membersare displaying with their off topic hysteria. (also i know this is not a Drum Bass list, a Garth Brooks list or even theShopping Network in case anyone thinks i don't, i understand there are other lists elsewhere i would just like to see a little more patience) anyway, back on topic ; ) what Jay Denham stuff would anyone recommend to aBC/CR/Ratio/Hood/Pacou fan? kao jyan - Original Message -From: Todd Smith To: 313@hyperreal.orgSent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [313] (even more spam) Last I checked 313 had a policy about spam, and need of 313 content. I didn't join this list for a bunch of artists to throw tracks up online and advertise in my inbox. It was fine for the plus8 contest because that was at least 313 related, however this is just a bit
Re: [313] commercial use of detroit techno
The music playing in the backgroung didn't immediatly strike me as being detroit-based, but then again I only managed to hear about 3 seconds of it. Yeah I think it was DJ Icey. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [313] skate party 80's style
Ha. No. That's Amir. sharif??? is that the guy who owns St Andrews Hall??? -Original Message- From: Matthew Gerbasi [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:57 AM To:313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] skate party 80's style it's a costume party(centralparkonskates1982) 14 mile, just west of [EMAIL PROTECTED] roller rink meet for cocktail's next door at Lim's Palace at 10pm skating from 11:30-2:30am scott zacharias - tony olliveirra - sharif - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
(OT) Layla/MIDI/gear question
Anyone that has a Layla/Gina/Darla soundcard by echo please (please!) hit me back. I need someone with some experience to help me out with a problem I'm having with mine. Also, what are some good gear lists. I've heard of the creators, what's that one all about? How does one subscribe? Thank you, have a good day. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
keys
Okay, let me start with the obligatory apology for OT content. But when it comes to a quesiton about all things musical, this is the place I look. Does anyone know anyone/anywhere where a one could get keyboard instruction in the Detroit area? Like actually playing the thing with your hands, not quantizing notes. I'm not ttrying to go find someplace out of the yellow pages where some krusty dude will give me $100/hour lessons. Not to give the wrong impression. I'm willing to spend some loot. Maybe even $100 per lesson. But I would like the person doing the teaching to have a little familiarity with where I (we) are coming from. But also want to learn from someone who was themselves well trained. Any suggestions? Thank you. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Gli artisti di Acquaviva
His name's not really Acquaviva, so my guess would be no. ... I've sometimes wondered..? Is John Acquaviva in anyway related to Miss Joni James via her husband- conductor Anthony Acquaviva? nuthin' earthshatterin', J. E. v.F-B. B. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] basic channel special on WDET Detroit
Damn! Thank the lord for Liz Copeland. Seriously, she has been blowing minds for a living in Detroit for what - five years now (?) She's one of the best radio personalities/programmers this city has to offer. I can remember when my tape player died in my last car (what a piece of work that thing was) looking forward to her show and the booty shows for like a year. Liz Copeland and Clark Warner are presenting a special on Basic Channel, starting at midnight EST: http://www.wdet.com/copelandfocus.htm Luckily, WDET just started broadcasting over the Web, so those of you outside the (313) area code have a chance at hearing it! T-minus 2 1/2 hours 'til German techno-dub on the radio, Bill -- http://www.chromedecay.org - _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] no Speedy J?
I know I found out yesterday. Sucks. Guess I'm not going. I checked the +8 site, and noticed Speedy J is gone off the lineup for FOMTY... how come? darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] no Speedy J?
Hey, don't take it personally. Taste is subjective. Speedy J is the one person whose music I really enjoy on that bill. I'm sorry if that upsets you but you can surely find solace in the fact that the party will sell out in under fifteen minutes and be at capacity until 6 a.m. I've seen the kooky scientist a ton of times and did enjoy it but that's just not where I'm at right now. But enough about me... Thanks for your support. Guess you'll miss out. Telepathic regards, The Kooky Scientist I know I found out yesterday. Sucks. Guess I'm not going. I checked the +8 site, and noticed Speedy J is gone off the lineup for FOMTY... how come? darw_n Upcoming Gigs: Oct. 28th - From Our Minds to Yours / Somewhere in Detroit. Richie Hawtin, John Acquaviva, Daniel Bell (live), The Kooky Scientist (live), Theorem (live), Kenny Larkin, Matthew Hawtin, Clark Warner, Scott Gordon http://www.plus8.com/classics/fomty.html Try the Plus 8 Classics/Sonic Foundry Acid contest REDUX @ http://www.acidplanet.com/plus8/ TELEPATHICA P.O.B. 80337Boston, MA02180-0010 U.S.A. FX 781-438-3919 MP3 Audio Samples @ http://www.mp3.com/FredGiannelli - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [313] hard house?
Wow where have I been? I'm such an ignorant yankee. Indeed it seems that there is a difference between the US approach of Hard House. Here in Europe Hard House is fast uptempo cheesy trance-like music, not really a 313 topic at all. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I personally have only heard the term used to describe the uk high nrg sound you mention. -Original Message- From: Kyle J Dupuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2000 03:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] who stole the soul?
Nick wrote: I don't wanna discuss the politics that's all. Ppl get hurt, we all know about it, it's gonna be a touchy area until ppl stop pointing out the differences and start pointing out the similarities. We're all the same, you know that... It's why Muslims and Jews are at each others throats in Jerusalem. Yeah someone needs to tell those people they're worshiping the same God. Good point about the differences vs. similarities, though. Kinda like is the glass half full or half empty, you can look at either way. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] who stole the soul?
No I think racist epithets are inappropriate. And I don't think it has anything to do with race. The question was: why has Detroit turned a deaf ear to its best homeboys again and again. (DEMF excluded). I think a better subject header for this post would be why to these cracker ass honkies ignore the soul. ;) mt Hugh G. Blaze wrote: Okay so Friday night, Motor Lounge, Richard Humpty Vision played and there was reportedly a capicity crowd. Saturday night D Wynn played and there's was like 300 people, tops. What's going on? Am I still in Detroit? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.billionairesforbushorgore.com _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] who stole the soul?
that people feel they need to be at our gigs. Detroit needs to go back to Deep Space and bring something back that is so out there that people will go nuts for it. Who cares if there is another slammin dance cut, there have been a million slammin cuts, it is time for a new Detroit sound. We need to make a new style that has its roots in techno-soul, but is reaching further out. It is time for Detroit to create another futuristic musical language, cause the old one has been jacked by the rest of the world and trampled to death. And all in 10 years or less, huh. How many genres have sprung from Techno, how many have come from Detroit since then? I am not hating on any Detroit producers, I just think that we need to take more risks and use a bit of imagination to make weird records that do not strictly conform to the rule book that Detroit wrote a decade ago. I know there is the talent and ability in this city to blow the world away, people just need to have the courage to go out there and make records that are not going to conform to people's expectations of Detroit or what proper DJ techno is in general. Take care, mt Hugh G. Blaze wrote: No I think racist epithets are inappropriate. And I don't think it has anything to do with race. The question was: why has Detroit turned a deaf ear to its best homeboys again and again. (DEMF excluded). I think a better subject header for this post would be why to these cracker ass honkies ignore the soul. ;) mt Hugh G. Blaze wrote: Okay so Friday night, Motor Lounge, Richard Humpty Vision played and there was reportedly a capicity crowd. Saturday night D Wynn played and there's was like 300 people, tops. What's going on? Am I still in Detroit? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Q about Detroit, Richard Harvey...
Actually there are no specific anti-rave laws like Chicago's, there's a draconian police force though. Although enforcement is very inconsistent, depending on what precinct the party is in, who happens to be patrolling that night, and whether or not the Chief of Police has a hard on for parties that week. He's been pretty busy fending off calls for his resignation lately, though. I just got booked to play a rave in Detroit, but I hear that there are very tight raving laws there. Any input? Also, is Richard Harvey really Ritchie Hawtin? I ask this because when I was listening to de9 on that new Microsoft player, the whole first half was either Ritchie, Richard or Jeff according to the track titles on the player... thanks, darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
who stole the soul?
Okay so Friday night, Motor Lounge, Richard Humpty Vision played and there was reportedly a capicity crowd. Saturday night D Wynn played and there's was like 300 people, tops. What's going on? Am I still in Detroit? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] LTJ Bukem - Sept. 27th - Mecca Monthly!
This is rather tangential, but I think this should be the return of Mecca, technically. I'm sure this crew doesn't have anything to do with the former Mecca. It was a hip-hop space on Broadway, the block right before Gratiot, next to Henry the Hatter. Spot of the now-forgotten Wu Tang Clan no-show many years back, shortly before they got signed on to whatever major they're on. They took the promoter's money (I believe he went by J-star) and left town. Anyway, not that anyone cares about this arcane bit of 313 legend, but I couldn't resist. Ahoy 313ers, 734ers, 810ers, 312ers, 773ers, 517ers, 616ers, 519ers, 419ers, 416ers, 216ers, etc. Announcing the upcoming DEBUT date of MECCA, Detroit's monthly showcase for avant garde music, art, fashion and technology What: LTJ BUKEM, DJ NOOKIE and MC CONRAD--Progression Sessions/Goodlooking Records Apex Entertainers--LONDON, ENGLAND. World renowned innovator of the Drum N' Bass sound LTJ Bukem brings his special brand of atmospheric funk n' jazz to Detroit once again TA SCHOOL YA! If you've not experienced a Progression Session LIVE...then you've not progressed much ave ya?? SPECIAL FEATURED GUEST: DJ Paris / The Black FU SPECIAL SHOWCASE: Detroit Dance Theatre When: WEDNESDAY - September 27, 2000 Where: State Theatre, 2115 Woodward Ave., Deetroit! Time: Doors at 9 PM Age:18+ Cost: $15.00 in advance via Ticket Master / $20.00 at the door ($5.00 off door price w/valid student ID) Why??: Cuz we need to bring cool Detroit artists/gurus/designers/freaks together for other hip n' funky Detroiters to appreciate and OF COURSE do it to beat presented by other artist/guru/freak/beatmasters from everywhere...INCLUDING Detroit!! _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] motor tonight.
I'll be running around in a light blue, long sleeve liquid sky t-shirt (yeah, yeah save the comments) and prolly no hat. I have short black hair. Check me out and say hi but please don't assault me if I've pissed you off on this list in the past few years. does anyone from 313 want to meet up at motor tonight? i'll have on a brown leather golf cap, and a white polo shirt with black and brown stripes (vertical). cheers. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Does anyone know what is going on in Detroit over the weekend?
No, no, no... It's Sunday-make kraft dinner. Two out of three ain't bad. Friday-Cloud 9 Saturday-Motor (Terrence Parker DJT1000-benefit for Anthony Shakir) Sunday-make crafts d _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] OT: how do record boxes get stolen?
I could be way off base here, but I think someone takes it when you're not looking. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] REF : IN REGARDS JEFF MILLS AND CANADA END OF STORY !!
I'd take that guarantee. I was only poking fun, no malicious intent. Making fun of non-english-speakers is shooting fish in a barrel. I've met Frederic and he's an OK guy, and I guarantee his English is better than your French! kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=chaircrusher -- mix On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Hugh G. Blaze wrote: OK, one more time in english. TO REPLY TO ALL WHAT I CAN READ ON THIS 313 LIST : - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] REF : IN REGARDS JEFF MILLS AND CANADA END OF STORY !!
OK, one more time in english. TO REPLY TO ALL WHAT I CAN READ ON THIS 313 LIST : 1° JEFF DOES NOT CANCEL GIG EVRY WEEK END OR WHAT EVER, WE ARE REALLY STRICT BUT DOING OUR JOB VERY WELL... 2° TOUR IN CANADA WAS NOT ORGANISE RIGHT AND THAT ABOUT IT. PROMOTER IN CANADA/USA ARE NOT TAKING CARE REALLY WELL OF WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO DO AND MAKING POLITIC ALL TOGETHER. ALSO, WE DID NOT ASK ADVANCE FEE THAT THE LOCAL PROMOTER IN MONTREAL DID ASK FOR IT NOT US... AND HE STILL HAVE THIS MONEY. 3° FEE IN AUSTRALIA OR WHAT YOU EXPECT IS WRONG... PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO THINK THAT COST OF DJ'S ARE HELL EXPENSIVE... THERE IS SOME MORE NO NAME DJ'S MORE EXPENSIVE THAT REGULAR BIG ONE AND I KNOW WHAT ABOUT I'M TALKING FOR THAT !!! 4° A REPLY HAS BEEN POST BY JEFF MILLS ON HIS SITE. THAT ABOUT IT... IN REGARDS DETROIT THIS IS ANOTHER STORY AND NOT BECAUSE JEFF IS NOT SURE ABOUT PACK ST ANDREW HALL SO PLEASE AS FAR AS I READ THIS 313 LIST, I NEVER SEND ANY MESSAGE DIRECTLY BUT THAT TOO MUCH, YOU ARE TALKING TO SOMETHING OF TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN ON A TOUR THAT WAS NOT ORGANISE THAT IT !!! IS IT REALLY CLEAR NOW ? REGARDS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MANAGER OF JEFF MILLS. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Cloud9Transmat nights
This Friday at Cloud 9 is Mike Servito's b-day party with him and Dat supplying the spin. Next Friday is the final Corrections party with Magda and Derek Plaslaiko. Dunno what goes on there on Saturdays. Can some one please supply the upcoming friday/saturday line ups for Cloud 9 and the Thursday Transmat nights at Temple. ranks diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313]poo-blahs
Well. The Pubahs are not on my label but I am their manager. Anyways how far and cozy is my record label in the suburbs? Would you say the same about BMG's label, I don't know if you would count Ann Arbor or Windsor as suburbs. KMS, Black Nation, Plus 8, Axis,matrix, Twilight 76, Databass, Jefferson Ave. (Assault's new Label)? But i would suggest that being from the suburbs doesn't always make you the devil, and it's not always a negative statement about the city of Detroit. I lived there for six years and just recently moved back to the burbs, for personal reasons, yet i still support the city and its artists, both monetarily and morally. It's easy to take snipes at people for being from the city or the burbs, but it perpetuates the divisiveness that has contributed to many of Detroit's Ills. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Tonight 8/11 in Detroit...
...well actually Hamtramck, but whatever. An evening with Matt Clark. At Corrections. Which takes place at... Cloud 9. 8534 Conant. Hamtown. From 10 p.m. to 3 a.m. No cover. Free beer. (Just kidding). Cheap beer. (that's more like it) And cheap mixed drinks, too. Directions: take I-75 to Caniff. East on Caniff, past the Motor Lounge to Conant. Right (south) on Conant about one mile. Cloud 9 is on left. Look for a strobe light in the window. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Astrology/Techno (Was Moronic)
Blah Blah Blah... I was recently asked to make one up for a fashion magazine (I didn't) and I found out that a mate of mine did them for a leading women's mag when the regular guy (I'd love to tell you what he did before he retired and took up this column but it could get out and I'd be in trouble, it's hilarious mind) couldn't get around to it. Neither had backgrounds in astrology and were just using their creativity. So approach with caution. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Jaguar
Yo, girl, fuk dat! First of all, those guys are probably sizing you up from the moment you walk in, and would trip over each other to get you the headphones. Second of all, even if they're not who cares! We've all been in situaitons where we felt a little intimidated, but you gotta rise above and represent y o u. but the (male) Melbourne DJ posse was hanging out, as they do on Fridays, and I felt too nervous to ask if I could play it Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Re: [idm] ultrasoniq festival in pitt.7/16-7/18
Princess Dragon Mom and Hearing Trumpet (Detroit) PDM rocks! Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] DJ Spooky/Dave Clarke
i think he needs to drop the dj and just be called spooky, or maybe sloppy.. -p How about DJ Poopy. I've seen him twice and he blew both times. His track selection one of the times was great, but he tries to scratch and he obviously can't. Plus he needs to work on his beatmatching skills, I've never heard of him NOT trainwrecking his way though a set. All hype. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Idea, Solution to Question?
Not sure what you mean exactly, but it sounds interesting. Tell me (us) more. Expand on the idea a little. O.k. I see there are allot of people on this list that are pushing a good thing, lets try to do something,,Why don't we set up a coalition of some sort, lets say are own Underground Monopoly to counteract the majors, how about we put our heads together and combine as a whole lets developed some sort of massive Underground Network and use our own resources to publicize our own reviews and what not. Lets give them a run for their money..any ideas, allot of us host our own sites, lets use whatever tools we have available to expand this baby, lets take 313 and Hyperreal to the next level, it's all been started lets build on what we have. Only serious headz needed, please no flakes. j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Home of Detroit Influence Reflections - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [313] Fabulous Ruins of Detroit
I'm far from a definitive source on the matter, but as for your question of whether new development/investment in Detroit is an actual investment in and by the community as a whole I'd have to say there are a lot of factors to consider. Detroit's number one problem is that the city was built for 2 million people and because of flight to the suburbs (sprawl) there are now probably less than 1 million living in Detroit proper. That's a greatly deflated tax base, and it's impossible to maintain all that infrastructure without somehow generating revenue to account for the difference. So in terms of generating $ for the city, things like the casinos, new sports stadiums, Compuware headquarters relocation (to downtown from the suburb of Farmington Hills) are good. Whether that additional revenue ever gets allocated toward actually improving the lives/neighborhoods of real Detroiters remains to be seen. This has been a major point of contention within the city with a small faction going so far as to call for the ouster of Mayor Dennis Archer because they don't feel like they're getting their fare share of the pie when it comes to this recent increase revenue. I personally, think they are premature in their effort and that Mayor Archer is attacking the root cause of the city's ill - lack of $. But we'll see in about ten years, once everything is online whether any of that $ gets kicked to the hood, so to speak. This is, of course a gross simplification of the social and economic factors that have made detroit what it is today (whatever you may call it), but I think this is the heart of the matter. Of course, the issue of race has played a major role, but exactly how major is, again, a hotly debated subject. I've had the occasion to speak with/interview several PHDs from the University of Michigan and Michigan State University who have authored books on this subject and they have widely varying opinions. That's another thread altogether. But, hey, this urban decay certainly has left us with an interesting playground in terms of the exotic locations where we get to enjoy our music. The Packard Plant is a glaring example. Others are a huge (HUGE), cathedral-like art deco lobby in of the David Whitney building in the central business district (complete with a balcony on the second level surrounding and overlooking the entire party), Several downtown office locations around Capital Park (on Griswold, just west of Woodward and the cbd) with breathtaking views of the skyline (it seems as though you could reach out and grab the Ren Cen). Of course, there's the monolithic Train Station on Michigan (which I believe is up on the ruins site) that makes for a great post-dawn after party hangout, although I wouldn't got there at night. Nothing like chilling on the roof of a seventeen story skeleton as the sun comes up over the eastern skyline, what a way to cap a great night of partying in the city! hey man can i get copies of these articles? for reasons i'm not even entirely aware of myself, the idea of urban recovery interests me greatly.. maybe it's a creeping suspicion that all our cities are heading that direction? i met that friend of y'alls who works for the urban planning department there but never had a chance to talk to her. i first started travelling to detroit in '93, and i can see what at first seem like improvements, though i wonder how much of it is merely cosmetic? demolishing abandoned buildings is one thing, but as you said replacing the businesses they represent in terms of socioeconomic infrastructure is another matter entirely. one of the things about your city that captures my attention is the sense of grass-roots populist commitment to improving things.. there's a sense of vitality that remains with me even after my initial naive romanticized ideas have faded.. it's funny to think back about my first impressions.. the sense that there was some homogenous militant techno underground in an abandoned industrial wasteland.. funny, eh? never stopping to consider that the mundane facts of life were as prevalent there as anywhere, that people had day jobs, lives, careers, educations, family.. of course there is a vital music/arts community, and though Detroit is obviously the epicenter of a cultural phenomenon which is still developing, and very dear to me, i think it's grown beyond mere geography despite the parochialism displayed by some.. anyhow, my point was that to an admitted outsider it seems to be on the way up, and I wonder how much of this is speculative capitalist investment by outside interests or possibly some kind of state/federal grant program, or if it's genuinely an actual investment in and by the community as a whole. i'm not sure if i'm making sense here? so yeh.. i'm interested. ;p __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Fabulous Ruins of Detroit
I don't think the American public has any sense of what happened in these buildings over the last four decades. We turned away. And we turned away from the everyday neighborhoods of Detroit where the people who worked there lived, and only woke up when the headlines started screeching about murder capital and Devil's Night. No, in fact we have not woken up here in Southeastern Michigan. We continue to turn away, as urban sprawl decimates our landscape and natural resources. Michigan is the fourth worst state in terms of sprawl in the U.S. In the past twenty years, Michigan has used undeveloped land at a rate of 77,000 acres per year, while remaining constant in terms of population. That's according to U.S. Department of Agriculture Statistics. For those on this list that don't already know, I'm a reporter with a local newspaper in Metro Detroit, and I've been reporting on this topic quite a bit in the last 12 months. It's alarming how much of our state's open land has been turned into highways, malls, subdivisions and office buildings while there are vast acres of land, infrastructure and hundreds of buildings rotting in Detroit. In fact it's a crime. The social and economic factors contributing to this phenomenon are virtually unknown to the public at large, and remain unaddressed. The legislators we elect have failed us, and we have failed ourselves and our planet. We are already feeling the environmental and economic impact of this continued decision to ignore the problem. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] rotator?
Sorry, I lost the two that I had a long time ago. anybody know whatever happened to dj rotator - the wacky detroit experimental jungle dj- havent seen his name anywhere in at least a year speaking of rotator, would anybody know where to get ahold of some of his mix tapes? thanks. - chris Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Detroit Grand Trance-Bahs
If you wouldn't call trance records trance that says more about you and your knowledge of dance music than anything else. He did cross over into some hard tech but a good portion of his set was T-R-A-N-C-E. I would never call paris's set trance. Cyclone Wehner wrote: Are you sure? He is into a lot of European techno stuff; Hell's label, etc. Maybe he was being satrical of it? I really enjoyed Paris the Black Fools trance set this evening at the Temple in Ferndale, MI (a little 'burb of Detroit). Yes, Trance. Of the hard variety. Whatever pays the bills, right? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] rotator?
He had some pretty severe perosnal problems. I don't know if he's okay or not. He played at a party I threw in, uh, I believe 1996. It was also one of the early appearances of a Mr. Derek Plaslaiko, if I'm not mistaken. (though not the first. take it easy, Derek) anybody know whatever happened to dj rotator - the wacky detroit experimental jungle dj- havent seen his name anywhere in at least a year- but before that he was doin crazy dj stunts when he was playing out.. -p - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
(OT) 202 Hack site
Does anyone have the URL for the Roland MC202 hack website? I can't seem to find the bastard. Thanks + sorry for the OT content... Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Software question revisited
A while ago I posted a question to the list about the merits of Cubase vs. Logic audio and vice versa. Based on the discussion, I decided to go with Cubase because it would be easier to learn. Besides, I don't really want to do anything all that advanced, just sequence wave files along with some MIDI data to run an outboard anaolg synth via a Kenton Pro 2000 MIDI to CV/Gate controller. Well, things seemed to be going pretty smoothly until I realized the MIDI output seems to be lagging a bit. That is, the timing of the notes coming out of my synth (a Roland MC202, by the way) is off. I remember someone on the list mentioning that they had experienced a similar problem with Cubase, so that is why I decided to pose this quesiton once again. Should I just scrap Cubase and go with Logic? I have cracked copies of both. And on that note, could this be a software problem due to the crack? A friend of mine mentioned that cracks are not always that reliable, that sometimes the software does not run properly. Also, I know this is all slightly OT and I was thinking about taking this discussion to the creators list, but I've seen posts on some of the other lists I'm on that said the creators sux? Any feedback on that? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Old recording techniques...
I think there is definatly something very profound about the analogue sound of real to real as opposed to ADAT. When you record digitally every millisecond of time is accounted for and everything inbetween doesn't exsist. When you use tape, there exsists another dimension of time. Inbetween each kick drum is some kind of space that often sounds like hiss or noise. Interesting observation - but not exactly the case. Every millisecond of time is accounted for with tape too - I guess you just mean that the nature of the medium and dirty heads produce different sound on each playback. Actually, I think he was trying to say that digital recording takes a snap shot of sound at a given point in time. Usually these snap shots, or samples, are taken at rates around 44-48 thousand times per second. This information is played back in much the same way as film to produce the illusion of a continuous flow of information. What happens between those snapshots, however miniscule, is lost. Digital recording, by its nature, loses some data in the process. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] hehehehehe
Actaully, most of them (the ones with merit) are touring the globe and making millions of dollars. As opposed to your $200 weekly payroll check from Mc Donalds. Reality is a mutherfucka, huh? I don't really give a shit. I'm only here to dump these shitty records. When that's done(and it's almost done) i'm gone from this festering, rascist, stagnatic, retro, riciculous and cheesey, dead, REgressive style of music, going nowhere but backwards-music and board. nuff said --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, it's one thing to act stupidly in public on a list like 313. It's yet another to repost PRIVATE email. You are deserving of no respect, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. And you will get none. out phred __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Detroit Does Suck I agree
If you're intelligent then you already know about great artists like lenny dee(who's made tracks as far back as 87) and oliver chesler(the horrorist I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the by the bridge space two years ago. Perhaps, if Detroit (313) techno is so without balls as you said, then you would be better suited not subscribing to mailing list dedicated to discussing it? Just a suggestion. You could save yourself a lot of time and frustration. Also, you could spend more time discussing the music you really enjoy. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] oliver chesler/summer's lust party
From: detroit science [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] oliver chesler/summer's lust party Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:49:26 EDT I know he (Oliver Chesler) did a great job clearing the dancefloor (in fact the whole venue) when he played in Detroit at the by the bridge space two years ago. little known fact: his supposed live gig was in fact a track act to a dat. the keyboard was just a prop. oliver was just using a microphone. the promoter was told it was going to be a live pa and found out the truth at the airport. after his set i dragged him outside and made him drink jaeger with me and asked for an explanation. he said that it was too hard to do a live pa. wtf? now, remember the set that mike clark played after oliver's little charade? old skool hip hop dj skills matched with banging techno and house... take care, linda g Just goes to show you: sweeping generalizations about genres are never legit. Oh all hardcore producers are ultra-talented you say? Too bad Mr. Chesler foud performing a live p.a. too hard. I wonder how Richie Hawtin would respond to the question Are live p.a.s too difficult to pull off? Or how do you think Mr. Mills answer that question? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
WTF?
I'm really sick of deleting this message every freakin'' time I post to the list. I would suggest (as others have) that the list admin. contact Mr. Sanford and ask him to straighten out whatever needs to be straightened in order to correct this situation. Thank you. Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: Jeff Sanford (Mailbox or Conference is full.) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] ghetto tech - Disco D for free in NYC
Anyone that wants to see a suck ass DJ and producer should definitely come out Wow, that rhymed. Anyway, Disco D will be playing a last minute free set in NYC this Sunday at THE ALPHABET LOUNGE (S.E. Corner of Ave. C 7th St) Doors are at 8 pm, and the event is free. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
Why YOU gotta go make shit racial? Kind of like what the Beatles and the Rolling Stones did with blues..another black American art form. I think it's actually a racial thing Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] The epistemology of techno
Well, duh. Re: what is the definition of techno? One has to ask first, what is a definition? A definition is a label attached to a phenomena and it does not convey any attributes other than those relevant for the phenomenon under examination to have discriminative validity (I choose not to engage in the raging parsimony debate of definitions and axioms here). In order for a definition to have meaning, it has to be universally agreed upon by the relevant actors. For these actors, such a definition has utilitarian value. This value consists for instance of reduced communicational ambiguities by creating a body of knowledge that can subsequently be used for further advancements and refinements of the original concept (see also note 1). Note that a definition cannot be true or false, for any potential falsification process would consist entirely of (non-)acceptance by the relevant actors and thus cannot be considered a falsification process in the strict Popperian sense, since for all practical purposes, the definition acceptance process makes definitions more akin to axioms, which by definition cannot be falsified. The acceptance process by the relevant actors is rarely explicit and can be best understood as an implicitly socially constructed process between the relevant actors. However, quite often it is not *all* relevant actors whose actions are consequential in this process, but only a nucleolus of actors with a high network centrality whose actions constitute milestones in the definitional acceptance process. Yet rarely are such actions effective immediately, given their dependency on the receiving parties' attitude and reaction, thus rendering any decision process by the nucleolic actors regarding their intended actions in this process boundedly rational. The highly amorphous nature of this definitional acceptance process makes tracing and explicitizing it a problem of an intractible nature. Hence, the social constructivist paradigm argues that there does not exist a universal definition of any phenomenon, since the social circumstances are not constant, yet they are crucial to the definition acceptance process. This implies that definitions are potentially subject to variations over time, thus contradicting the single most essential aspect of a definition: its universal consistency through time and space. When taken to the extreme, this paradigm implies that as many definitions can exist as there are actors and even the staunchest social constructivists have realized that this is an untenable position from a realistic point of view. To avoid this, they have utilized the concept of the Anthropic Principle, which in its original form can be stated as: A phenomenon is the way it is, because we are there to observe it in that way. This establishes an explicit, irrevocable causal link between the phenomenon, the observer and the observation method, a link that is an anathema to the positivistic paradigm (note the interesting parallel with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the controversy that arose when it was first proposed). An important corollary of the Anthropic Principle is that, because observer and observation method matter, once an observer starts to describe the phenomenon under observation, there is inherently a loss of information about the phenomenon because a different observer, using a different observation method, would describe the phenomenon differently. Note that this does not render any such descriptive definition invalid from a practical standpoint, given the socially constructed process of defining. However, it does mean that no single observer (and by consequence, any finite number of observers) can theoretically arrive at a complete definition, since the process of defining inherently involves a descriptive reduction, thus rendering any definition inexorably incomplete. If we apply this to the definition of 'techno', it means that although a common understanding of 'techno' has emerged (in other words: the definition acceptance process has converged), articulating that definition would immediately destroy the richness of the implicit definition of 'techno', thus invalidating the question What is techno?. QED Otto PS: Note 1) A more malicious view would be that definitions are often used to obfuscate reality, thus creating a halo of perceived expertise around those who use those definitions, even though their expertise is based solely on linguistical dexterity and not on a conceptual understanding of the phenomenon under investigation. Obviously I do not subscribe to such a view. PS: Note 2) Yes, I am taking the piss. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Hell or Afrika Bambaataa
When he played for a crew I was working with in Detroit in '98 he wasn't all that. It was cool to get to see a living legend in the flesh, especially 'cause i got to pick him up from the airport and talk w/him a little (and bring him KFC, which WAS IN HIS CONTRACT). But his set wasn't all that, he played the latest commercial Hip-Hop (Busta Rhymes, Lil Kim) and he didn't even mix, just played tracks back to back and intro-faded sometimes. Then, I'm not sure if it was a dig at all the white kids in attendance (the crowd was mainly vanilla) he played Areosmith and Guns and Roses. WTF? On the other hand, there has been numerous occasions where Helll has ripped me a new arsehole. I very much doubt if that was the intention - if you've followed Bambaataa's career really closely or read interviews you'll understand that he doesn't see music in terms of segregation and he probably believes that what Aerosmith and Guns And Roses do arises from the blues, which was Black culture, so he is probably trying to show people the source of much of our popular culture. He promotes diversity and open-mindedness. That's his platform. The same dialectic was at work when he took Kraftwerk - inspired by James Brown - and turned it into Planet Rock. That said, I can't stand those 80s rock bands and I wouldn't want to listen to them. DJ Hell is one of my absolute favourite DJs and has his own unique 'gigolo' style - a mix of Germanic and US influences with the almost camp aesthetic/humour of Kraftwerk. He plays lots of electro and the occasional disco through to Mills. He is just fabulous. If you haven't seen him before, I would recommend him. There isn't anything wrong with Busta Rhymes either, commercial or not. :) He is an innovator - and Hell is a fan of his, actually. Play track 6 on Busta's last LP and tell me that intro doesn't sound like Millsian techno. You could cut that up that intro into a quick mix very easily. But, alas, I digress. Hey, slow down there, guy. Who said there was anything wrong with Busta? I just said his shit was commercial. Deny that. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Hell or Afrika Bambaataa
When he played for a crew I was working with in Detroit in '98 he wasn't all that. It was cool to get to see a living legend in the flesh, especially 'cause i got to pick him up from the airport and talk w/him a little (and bring him KFC, which WAS IN HIS CONTRACT). But his set wasn't all that, he played the latest commercial Hip-Hop (Busta Rhymes, Lil Kim) and he didn't even mix, just played tracks back to back and intro-faded sometimes. Then, I'm not sure if it was a dig at all the white kids in attendance (the crowd was mainly vanilla) he played Areosmith and Guns and Roses. WTF? On the other hand, there has been numerous occasions where Helll has ripped me a new arsehole. The 24 th July I need to choose between 2 party's should I go to Dj Hell which I have seen several times (but he is soo good !), or is bambaataa realy worth chekking out ??? Belgium Greetz Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] one more day
Second.with the obvious exception of Dan, I don't know if anyone here has written anything about the music be it non-fiction, fiction, poetry, etc. I've been thinking about writing some academic stuff as well as some fiction.is there interest in having a website that encompasses writing and art about techno from the 313 crowd? Yes! I am with that! Cheers Cyclone I third that notion Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Hell or Afrika Bambaataa
When he played for a crew I was working with in Detroit in '98 he wasn't all that. It was cool to get to see a living legend in the flesh, especially 'cause i got to pick him up from the airport and talk w/him a little (and bring him KFC, which WAS IN HIS CONTRACT). But his set wasn't all that, he played the latest commercial Hip-Hop (Busta Rhymes, Lil Kim) and he didn't even mix, just played tracks back to back and intro-faded sometimes. Then and I'm not sure if it was supposed to be a subtle dig at all the white kids in attendance (the crowd was mainly vanilla) he played Areosmith and Guns and Roses. WTF? On the other hand, there has been numerous occasions where Hell has ripped me a new arsehole. The 24 th July I need to choose between 2 party's should I go to Dj Hell which I have seen several times (but he is soo good !), or is bambaataa realy worth chekking out ??? Belgium Greetz Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] What Is Up With 313?
Okay I think this calls for a kick/ban. maybe everyone is bored or something theyve talked about too much techno anyways i have something to talk about is anyone into techno-trance?? or is that like taboo or something? anyway - i like listening to some old spicelab stuff - like we got spice or falling it is produced by oliver lieb, he makes more hard and progressive trance these days but that old spicelab stuff is more techno oriented with a lot of beautiful lushness dustin On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:45:15 -0500 JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it me or does it seem like a ton of people have dropped off 313, what is going on here the discussions seem to be less and less relevant, when good topics are posted no one responds, I dropped a Planet E commentary on DEMF to try to steer the discussions in a different direction and no deal, the thing that really strikes me is how little Detroit talk there is. I mean there are a whole bunch of 12s no one has bothered to discuss lots of new 430 and KMS and other goods that never made it on the list, Are things here getting stale or are all the Intelligent folks off somewhere else? Where is Mr. Duke with all his reviews and stuff? I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone... j.d. Underground Committee YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
5/9, Detroit, It's On...
After a one-week vacation to dis-lodge our subconscious issues, we've returned for another fine evening of throwing up on ourselves at... Corrections. at Cloud 9 in Hamtramck. 8534 Conant. (313) 923-. directions below. W/Resident DJ Derek Plaslaiko. Starring the usual casts of freaks. Plus one from your dark, secret past. If you're old school enough to remember how DJ Eric Haupt did it to your earhole back in da day, you'll represent tonight at Cloud 9. Haupt will share deck duties with Jen Xerri. Word. Plus there's cheap alcohol. And Bartender Brook Campbell, who likes to show everyone his birthmark that's shaped like Gary Coleman. Directions: Take I-75 to Caniff. East on Caniff to Conant. Past Jos Compau and the MNotor Lounge to Conant. Right on Conant, and go south about a mile (under a railroad bridge). Cloud 9 is on the left. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
(OT) Software question
I want to sequence wave files (ala sonic foundry's ACID) and midi data at the same time, what software is best suited to the task - cubase, or logic? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
[313] (OT) Software question (revised and updated)
So far the votes are Cubase: 3 (or maybe 4) cakewalk: 2 and logic: 0. My quesiton is:Why? Is cubase that much easier to use than logic? I've heard Logic is quite a bitch. I'll say this much, I thought Acid was pretty much a toy, not that I'm bragging about my abilities, rather speaking to Acid's ease of use (and inherent limitations). I knew Acid in and out within a two days of installing it. It's just that I've hit a wall as far as what I want to do with my computer and in order to climb over that wall i need to move on to a more powerful chunk o' software. I swore by Cakewalk for sequencing midi till I got the MPC2000, since than computers have left my studio. Funny you might say that, I swore by an MPC 2000 until I started using my PC, it just seems so much more intuitive, plus I hated staring at that miniscule display for hours on end. But for audio I think Cubase is better (don't know about Logic). Jernej Christian Bloch wrote: that's a question of religious proportions, there's no true answer... i believe in cubase by the way christian bloch tresor/LL/simple muzik/funque droppings/junk food mp3.com/bloch mp3.com/bscb mp3.com/waterlog On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Hugh G. Blaze wrote: I want to sequence wave files (ala sonic foundry's ACID) and midi data at the same time, what software is best suited to the task - cubase, or logic? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] (OT) Software question (revised and updated)
Basically, if you just want to do simple MIDI sequencing to outboard gear and toss some waves over it, use whatever is easiest for you. That's exactly what i want to do. I love acid for it's ease of use but have a compendium of vintage synths that I just can't leave in the closet anymore (I have a Kenton midi/cv converter). Plus, I'm getting a new soundcard to run all the .wav files to seperate channels on my Mackie. So far I'm really turned off by what i hear about logic, beacaue all I really want to do is throw my synth lines over the .wav that I'm currently working with in Acid, instead of having to sample them and drop them into the program. Discuss. But if you want serious next-level audio and MIDI wrangling, Logic Audio 4 on a G4 with Hyperengine and a bunch of plugins is the hottest thing that exists. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] (OT) Software q+a
Second: if you're used to Acid, either Logic or Cubase is going to seem kind of hostile. Neither does any kind of automagical tempo adjustment and neither one has as friendly an interface. Prepare for that. That's fine because I'm used to an MPC2000 which doesn't do the handy tempo stuff, and has a HORRIBLE interface. Before that I used outboard modular gear. It's not really that I can't learn or am afraid to use to use a more involved program, I just don't want to spend that much time on the learning curve. I'm really happy w/acid but want the additional freedom of dropping my own synth lines over the .wav, much in the way I used to with my MPC2000. That's it. However, once you get past that unfortunate learning curve, Logic is great. The screensets are powerful and fast to use, the MIDI environments allow you to do amazing tricks once you learn how to use them, and the sequencing is easily the tightest out there. I'm not that well-versed on the audio side because I use a sampler, but every professional musician I know who does serious audio sequencing uses Logic. Most of these people are into either IDM digitial glitch stuff or jungle - it seems like audio isn't as big a thing in 313-style music yet, where most people seem to use older outboard gear instead of computer-based digital craziness. Basically, if you just want to do simple MIDI sequencing to outboard gear and toss some waves over it, use whatever is easiest for you. But if you want serious next-level audio and MIDI wrangling, Logic Audio 4 on a G4 with Hyperengine and a bunch of plugins is the hottest thing that exists. Joe Martin Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
shirts
what's the url where the designs are? I've been too busy to keep up w/this thread. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
how do you subscribe?
Okay, i know this is a no-brainer. But I also know that majordomo has been nixed and it's not the same procedure as when I signed on. so let a brother know what's up, please. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] a thank you
Can someone please post this one more time? I've only seen it, like, nine times. http://www.m-nus.com/ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] a thank you
WRONG! They both love acid. both skinny and bald. whats the connection with hawtin and ghandi? ..peace.. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
DEMF
Did anyone make it down to the DEMF? I heard it was kind of cool. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Just wondering
Hey, is there anything good going on in Detroit this weekend? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
DEMF pre-party Friday May 26
On Friday, May 26 Corrections/Cloud 9 will be hosting a DEMF pre-party. Your DJs will be: TRAXX Chicago Carlos Souffront Detroit/Ann Arbor Admission to this event is $2. Cloud 9 is located at 8534 Conant in Hamtramck. Call (313) 923-000 for info on the night of the event. Directions; take I-75 to Caniff exit. East On Caniff, past Jos Compau to Conant. Right on Conant and head south about 1 mile (under a railroad bridge). Cloud 9 will be on your left. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] DEMF pre-party Friday May 26
On Friday, May 26 Corrections/Cloud 9 will be hosting a DEMF pre-party. Your DJs will be: TRAXX Chicago Joel wrote: Don't forget to check him out for his monthly residency over at Motor on Tuesday. Just so there's no confusion, that's the Tuesday AFTER DEMF, not tomorrow. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
5/19 Detroit
That's right, friends, it's time for another evening of intoxicated revelry at... Corrections. this week we are pleased to announce our partenership with Paxahau to bring you live streaming audio sets at www.paxahau.com. Detroit's seminal online techno and house collective will webcats live every Friday beginning tonight, Friday, May 22. Featuring Resident DJ Derek Plaslaiko. and special weekly guests. tonight MAGDA and CARLOS SOUFRANT will join us. Next week (May 26) Chicago's own TRAXX will perform a at our DEMF pre-party. All these sets will be availble through paxahau. At Cloud 9. 8534 Conant. a little bar in Hamtamck you've never been to. Drinks are cheap, and and if you tip bartender Brook Campbell he'll get naked. Direcitons Take I-75 to Caniff. Go east on Caniff (past Jos Compau and the Motor Lounge) to Conant. Right on Conant and head south about a mile (under a railroad bridge) for about a mile. Cloud 9 is on your left. For info call (313) 923-. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Correcitons for corrections
Due to electromagnetic interference caused by sunspots, the lineup for Corrections tonight (5/14) at Cloud 9 was transmitted erroneously. Tonight your DJs will be Magda and Rex. Carlos Souffront will be playing next week with Traxx. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Re: Wanted:TR-808, an alternative
Yeah, too bad it sounds like a piece of shit. Just want to name the Roland R5 again too :). Its got a very advanced shuffle flam functions! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A TR505 or 626 would be a good XOX type sequencer with shuffle/flam similar to the 909 however I do not recommend the TR707 because it can only send midi in song mode. No shuffle or flam on the 505. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] OT: TR-808/Flam
From: Rhythm Droid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] OT: TR-808/Flam Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:37:12 PDT Sorry if we've gone over this, but can the Electribe-R flam? do you have to fiddle with thte Scale function to do it, or what? The best thing to do would be to throw it in the agrbage and go buy an 808. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Memorial Weekend would be better if you died
I've seen three events all with 1,000+ people at them in one night. Hmmm, maybe it's a problem with the promoters. Or maybe detorit's rave heyday is just over. I would like to announce that we have decided to cancel our event Prepare Yourself on May 20, 2000 in Detroit. We feel that it would not be fair to force Party Kids to continue to choose between Parties since over the past month or so we all have seen how there are not enough Party Kids to support more than one Event on a Friday or a Saturday. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
was:Wanted: TR-808, now :TB-303
Screw that knock off shite. I'll keep my 303, thanks. heya guys, I have an orbit v1 that i use in almost every track. I also have a 909- that i *love*. But i have to say my favorite synth is the future-retro 777 (it's also my newest.) It's the tb-303 the way god would have built it. two oscilators, external inputs for the filters, 3 pole and 7 pole filter. This goes lightyears beyond the original 303. Check it out at http://www.future-retro.com. FWIW, i don't work for these guys. out jim http://www.mp3.com/zarathustra (sorry, no 777 in these tracks...yet) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Wanted: TR-808
Sorry this post isn't music related. I'm looking to purchase a Roland TR-808 drum machine. Anyone selling? Respond privately. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) D.E.M.F.:question
Don't feel bad, there's a lot of people who've been in Detroit from day one that aren't being included in this event. It's just another weekend. alright, heres the deal... (playing my very small violin) Im just going to come out and say that I want to be apart of this event. I sent our CD and all sorts of info. to the address I had, but I just dont know if thats enough. I need to get some personal contact numbers and e-mail address's. Alot of people know us as the people that have done the mass tv video installations for the likes of planet e, motor, and science. We also have gotten the recognition for doing modifications to 606's and makeing them into an entirely new breed... However the sound work we do has gone by un-noticed to many people here in detroit, probably because we are so busy with doing the video and sound work we just dont get out enough, who knows? This world is just not fair to us hard working artists sometimes. Anyway this heart wrenching message comes from my heart and soul and the need to share our sound creations with all of you on this list. I can only describe that the sounds we create have alot of the detroit routes since i lived here all my life , yet the experimental randomness makes it at times sound a bit more on a tribalistic tech-step feel. I hate to even try to categorize it, however I heard the description of jungleish style sound done all on analogue gear has been given this title. We arent jungle, but we are %100 live with analogue gear and my very intricate beat manipulation at times sounds jungleish or d+b ish. O.k. thats enough, I apalogize for the pathetic display of violin playing. If anyone can be of some assistance I would very much appreciate this. ::micho leeraven mcadow ::.:::.:.:::..:..:::.::.:::.:.::..::.:.:..: visuals ~ experimental audio ~ toy - instrument expansion ...:::.:.:::.:.:::.:.:..:...:.:...:::.:.:...:.::.:.::.. ::create : recreate : alter::: ::synthetic - detroit ::detronik contact info::.:.::..:. p: 248.407.8283 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] s: www.mp3.com/detronik Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) DEMF tip
Where can I get info about the press conference. I am a reporter for a local media source, and would like to register. I didn't see anything on the website. How redundant can I get? I meant and will be attending the press conference Too many webpages, not enough sunshine I guess... At 08:58 PM 4/27/00 -0400, you wrote: Well... those that would be updating the website also happen to be on the 313 list and will be attending the website, so I'm sure the website will be updated as fast as someone can post a report here anyway. ;P nyah. Dale At 05:44 PM 4/27/00 PDT, you wrote: The press conference for the festival is May 1st. Though it set to be up on the web a couple hours after, would anyone here in the detroit area who is attending want to volunteer as (313) liason? Perhaps take notes at the press junkit to relay to (313)? diana - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
4/28, Detroit
Corrections. a place to hang out with friends. no cover. no line. very reasonably priced drinks. as always your attentive bartender, Brook Campbell, will be removing items of clothing for tips. Resident DJ Derek Plaslaiko. special guests this week:Johnny Saco, Carlos Souffront and Keith Kemp also this will be a going away party for everyone's favorite saucy little asian bombshell, Maria Balde. Come wish her good luck in her move to NYC, even if you've never met her. At Cloud 9. in Hamtramck. 8534 Conant. (313) 923- Directions: Take I-75 to Caniff exit. Take Caniff east, past the Motor Lounge to Conant (the first light after Motor is Conant). Take a right on Conant and go south about a mile. Cloud 9 will be on your left. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
tonight 4/14 in Detroit
Corrections. A free party every Friday. starring DJ Derek Plaslaiko and special guests TBA. all ages admitted, 21+ to drink. at Cloud 9 in Hamtramck. 8534 Conant. 313.923. Directions: Take I-75 to Caniff. Head west on Caniff. You will pass the Motor Lounge. Take a right at the first light after Motor on Conant. Head south 3/4 of a mile and Cloud 9 will be on your left. There's a giant Rite-Aid billboard on the side of the building that says Nite Aid, you can't miss it. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) belt driven decks,no efxs,909? yes please
Take another hit off the bong. Umm, I've finally decided to release my final mix CD in time for the Detroit Music Festival, for all yeah waiting for the scoop on this one, I will start it off with two minutes of complete silence in which I will illustrate the spacial dynamics of sound not really being heard, the texture momentum of our frequency range as a human being which I might add is between 20 hrz to 20,000 hrz will fluently be explored, I plan on adding frequency ranges to which only neighbouring yard animals or personal pets would be able to fully understand, I find that exploring these organic sounds to the extent that...really forced geeky sample hey guys can I play my synth here? will fully compress the sound dynamics that I've been searching for, my drive to find new ways of finding patterns within, within, within patterns will leave most of you banging your hands for no particular reason, waiting to order something at McDonalds...do look for my new way of making ya'll move at the Festival cuz I plan on staying there (in one spot) for captains log start date 9383 rounded off to the neareast decimal point, we've travel... the entire 3 days...=) now that's inovation =) Emanuel __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) The Most Important Email EVER (you dumbass)
WHY DONT YOU ASSHOLES AT LEAST TAKE TWO MINUTES TO LOOK INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE YOU GO AND FORWARD A FRIGGIN CHAIN LETTER! YOU ARE THE REASON THAT E-MAIL HAS NO MORE LEGITAMACY THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT HEAR WORD OF MOUTH ON A STREET CORNER! ASSHOLE! THISTRAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE U.S. House of Rep. WEBSITE: You may be assured that no such legislation advocating an Internet access tax is before the U.S. House of Representatives, and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) does not have plans to implement any such proposal. I am opposed to taxing individuals for Internet usage. In fact, I have become an original cosponsor of a House measure that prohibits any such fees from being implemented either by the FCC or any other federal agency. From: Jason Birchmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...don't let the system oppress you. ...this goes against everything the internet was designed for. ...another attempt by our government to take advantage of the innovators. From: Stern. Mike Stern. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] say No! to Bill 602P. It will only take a few moments of your time, and could very well be instrumental in killing a bill we don't want. PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO USES EMAIL REMEMBER THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES THAT AFFECT ALL OF US ONLINE. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD.. alexander wright 518 n. state st. ann arbor mi 48104 734 327 4065 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) Off topic:Internet commerce/research
Hey all, Does anyone LIVING IN THE DETROIT AREA have a friend/family member or has anyone personally used the Internet to either buy a car or research car prices? I'm a freelance writer for Time. Inc. doing an article on said topic and I would like to interview any person fitting the above criterea. It would be quick, about 5 minutes, and I would pay for the call, of course. Please respond privately. Sorry for the non 313-content but I'm desperate. Because of the nature of the piece I'm writing I need to find someone in the Detroit metro area. Thanks, Ken __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re:(313) Discographies....
I have this and I actually don't like it all that much (please, before you crucify me for having such an obviously lowbrow and insolent opinion, remember, there's no accounting for taste). Anyway, would anyone be interested i buying/trading for it? And i think i remember reading about another DEC 12 called braille on his own DEC label but i dont have it and have never seen it. This definitely exists, but I don't have it. I saw it in Fat Cat years ago but (incredibly stupidly, in retrospect) didn't pick it up... Yes, this did come out and was very limited. It contained 3 tracks from what I remember. And it was like a promo for the Ferox LP Soundtrack 313 __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) popultion #s
What are you up to, you intrepid little market researching minx? was hoping someone could tell me a way to find out how many ppl are subscribed to this list, idm, analogue (sp) heaven and some other 313/underground related lists.though i know some will be doubles/triples etc. I need these #s for business purposes. ranks!! diana __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) Re: [mw] Emerald Nights
where is this bar located on woodward? From: Dustin Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dustin Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org, Clubbing Detroit [EMAIL PROTECTED], DetRave [EMAIL PROTECTED], Detroit [EMAIL PROTECTED], MW-Raves [EMAIL PROTECTED], PKU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [mw] Emerald Nights Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:08:12 -0800 (PST) E M E R A L DN I G H T S DJ Horsepower and guests Thursday Nights...everything from chill to house, and techno, etc. Forans' Irish Pub (great beers!) 612 Woodward Ave Detroit, MI 48226 Info: 313/961.3043 Time: 8:pm to 2:am Starting THIS Thursday (1/6/00)... Stay tuned for more details as the event unfolds... -Dustin Also coming soon: The Protocol Stack Network __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - questions about this mailing list? http://www.mw-raves.org/what/mw-faq.html __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
