Re: [AFMUG] OT: reliable 1 Port electrical reboot via IP

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

we have one of those but it was a much smaller square box.  i wish they made 
more of them.
ours is probably 6 years old


  - Original Message - 
  From: Seth Mattinen 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: reliable 1 Port electrical reboot via IP


  On 10/20/16 08:48, Paul McCall wrote:
  > We have a few MicroPops running AC backups (not 24v ) and need a simple
  > 1 port IP managed reboot device.  Any cheap, effective ones come to mind?
  >


  For small applications I use:

  http://www.controlbyweb.com/webswitch/


  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

butbut.most listeners are not intelligentat least by our 
standards lol
have you READ some of this crap on facebook?
oh, i guess not...

orriddit.  or was it ribbit...


  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]


  This goes beyond empty campaign promises.  This goes to deep personal 
  character flaws.

  When evaluating people for personality disorders, one of the flags are self 
  serving statements that are almost logically impossible to be literally true 
  such as:
  I always read the paper, I always go to church, I always take out the trash.

  A normal person says I "almost" always read the paper or something similar.
  If we are down with the flu we don't go to church or take out the trash.

  Trump brags about not reading.
  Then has the audacity to claim that "Nobody reads the bible more than me".
  I'll wager he has never read the bible.  Or any other significant work of 
  literature or history.

  Those claims are logically false, literally impossible.  They insult the 
  intelligence of the listener.



  -Original Message- 
  From: Travis Johnson
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:25 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

  Come on Chuck... we all know this is politics. The candidates say
  whatever they think they can get away with, in order to get a vote. Then
  after they win, they don't have to do any of the things they said they
  would do.

  I'd love to see a system where if a candidate makes a promise, wins the
  election, and then doesn't follow through, that they are held
  accountable (in some way). Right now it's all just words (from both
  sides)... saying and doing whatever they can or want to, in order to try
  and win.

  Obama did the same thing. "Politics" is the polite word for "liar". :)

  Travis


  On 10/20/2016 9:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  > I don’t have an issue with some of the positions of Trump, I even agree 
  > with some of them.  I am a conservative but more centrist libertarian.  I 
  > fall square to the right on issues of gun control and abortion. 
  > Everything else I try to square with my own personal philosophy and world 
  > views.  I do in-fact read the Bible.  I try to be like like the main 
  > character of the New Testament.  I fail constantly - but I keep trying.
  >
  > I think the guy is psychologically unhinged.
  >
  > For example he has said:
  > “Nobody reads the bible more than me”
  > "My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are 
  > various other parts of my body."
  > "I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that 
  > I'm more honest and my women are beautiful."
  > “No one is more conservative than me.”
  > “No one is stronger on the Second Amendment than me.”
  > “No one respects women more than me. No one reads the Bible more than me.”
  > “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.”
  > “There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.”
  > “There’s nobody who feels more strongly about women’s health issues.”
  > “Nobody knows more about taxes than me, maybe in the history of the 
  >  world.”
  > “I have studied the Iran deal in great detail, greater by far than anyone 
  > else.”
  > “Nobody’s ever been more successful than me.”
  > “Nobody knows banking better than I do.”
  > “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.”
  > “Nobody’s bigger or better at the military I am.”
  > “I am the least racist person you’ll ever meet.”
  > “Nobody knows the system better than me.”
  > “Nobody knows politicians better than me.”
  > “Nobody builds better walls than me.”
  > “Nobody knows more about trade than me.”
  >
  >
  > Symptoms of Meglomaina include:
  > Delusional belief of superiority
  > Delusions of greatness
  > Delusions about one's own power
  > Delusions about one's own importance
  >
  > In brief: Delusions
  > This term would most closely correlate to the dsm-iv delusional disorder, 
  > in which the individual holds unrealistic beliefs of inflated worth, 
  > power, knowledge, identity, or special relationship to a deity or famous 
  > person
  > Source: HealthTap, https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/265257
  >
  >
  > Now if all of you had some flapping Ethernet circuits, multi-path fading 
  > or a rogue DHCP server you could see the symptoms and derive at a 
  > conclusion as to what is happening.  I know everyone on this list is smart 
  > enough to see symptoms and troubleshoot a system.
  >
  > Do you not see the same symptoms I see when examining the public behavior 
  > of Trump?
  >
  >
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

assuming trump loses the election, will he become prosecuted like Bill Cosby?
interesting thought - considering what he said to Hillary about being in jail...


  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve 
  To: af 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]


  Wonder if Trump is running for Pope... 

  Clinton has had 20-30 rape victims now come forward.  Hillary allows it and 
enables it.  

  One way or another there will be a giant turd or douche sandwich in office 
this year :) 


  - Original Message -
  From: "Travis Johnson" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:28:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

  Can someone explain to me why what he said or did 10 years ago has ANY 
  bearing on how he would be as President? Even if he is a male pig, that 
  means he can't change the economy? Or try and fix immigration? Or keep 
  business in the USA?

  I just don't see why it matters. If he is the biggest asshole in the 
  world, does it matter if he does the job better than anyone else?

  It's time to be done with the Clinton "lifetime" political run... it's 
  all they have ever known or done. Nothing will change, and nothing will 
  be different with Hillary in office. Same ol' same ol' for another 4-8 
  years. :(

  Travis


  On 10/19/2016 8:25 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  >
  > It's your perspective..  She is not great but her answers are better 
  > and based on fact. He denies 9 women claims.  Really?   9.   Not 
  > one not two.   9.
  >
  >
  > On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  > wrote:
  >
  > I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely
  > shocked and fearful.
  >
  >
  > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
  >
  > We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage
  > right now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a
  > straight answer.
  >
  > They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest
  > office in the United States.
  >
  > This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of
  > the world.
  >

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

It is a known fact investigative reporting budgets from the main media are 
gone.  The former investigative reporters are finding other jobs, other 
networks, or just finding another job.

Two that come to mind - John Stossel (who still has a show on fox business, if 
you can find it, friday nights)
Cheryll Stensomethingorother?  She works for an actual media group of tv 
stations now - Sinclair Media

Basically the top brass does not want that story anymore.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve 
  To: af 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]


  I've lived and worked on both sides of the border.  In the USA / Canada.  
I've lived on the border and I've crossed thousands of times.  I've traveled 
across the entire USA (Except the freak states :)) and I'm a huge fan.  In fact 
there are a lot of things about the US that I wish were part of Canada and vice 
versa. 

  There is DEFINITELY more freedom in the USA.  I find only in some states 
though.  

  That trend is getting reversed day by day as more and more regulation keeps 
coming in. However the greed and the top side of the USA blows Canada out of 
the water.  I find Canadians are a little less corrupt, even the rich ones.  
The millionaires I know and know of locally are actually all good people.  A 
local ISP here is owned by a billionaire who doesn't flaunt his wealth.  He may 
have used a few tricks to get where he is but its all been legitimate and the 
guy doesn't seem to live beyond his means, and is passionate about his company 
and employees.  

  We just had an anonymous millionaire donate 1.5 million to fix a church up 
out of the blue etc.. 

  Where the corruption takes place in Canada is in the government.  Your 
corruption takes place in the government AND corporations.  Its a little top 
heavy .. the 1% shall we say.  The housing bubble, the banking industry, all 
the nutty stuff that conspiracy theorists whined about all these years were 
right after all.  

  Our government does spend some of its money wisely into social programs that 
do in fact help people and protect the environment but they take rules and 
regulations too far.  If a baby hits their head on a wall, we'll ban and 
regulate walls.  Its absurd.  

  I just wish there was a blending of the best of both of our countries. 
Introduce a little freedom to Canada and less bureaucracy, and a little common 
sense and accountability/transparency to the top end of the USA.  

  Although Wikileaks has definitely added some transparency to the game 
recently.  It's unbelievable this sort of material that is out there.  The 
level of corruption is beyond what I imagined could be possible in the USA.  
What ever happened to journalism? Isn't this the sort of thing CNN/NBC/ABC used 
to do?  Actually dig up this sort of thing? 

  The light of transparency fixes all things imho.  



  - Original Message -
  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:03:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

  Trump loves using the media and just check how much attention he got since
  his speech from stairs of his palace... He took advantage of free publicity
  and now even questions polls?   He threw poll figures in every ones face..
  Started his rallies quoting polls.   Now that his own actions and past
  assaults have come to light,  he says media is against him.. System
  rigged..  I am taking my marbles and going home because he lost game.
  Go to visit his Trump hotel in Vegas... He has lots of undocumented folks
  working there..  He used a Polish demolition crew and when they complained
  about pay and stuff, he threatened to call la migra!!!
  God Bless America; and hear this Trump lackeys,  America IS great...

  On Oct 20, 2016 7:46 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

  Not in the case of Soros. You can complain that the Koch’s only donate to
  conservative candidates but Soros donates to groups that support rioting,
  violence, and hatred.  There is a huge difference there.



  Rory



  *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 6:40 AM
  *To:* af@afmug.com

  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]



  I think Mike is right. Donors are a straw man argument. Everyone has them,
  wants more of them, wants bigger donations, yet everyone else's donors are
  evil. It would be nice to have a candidate that didn't have them but that
  isn't the environment we have.

  Maybe if there was a license requirement or something that some amount of
  time was required for political crap and no other media buys were possible
  we could make it through an election without gouging our eyes and ears out.



  On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:24 AM Tim Reichhart  wrote:

  Mike
  I think you need to do your research on Soros if you didnt you really dont
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Justin Wilson]

WIX or a wordpress plugin.

http://connectivity.engineer/  uses a wordpress 
plugin.  This makes it very easy to update content.
http://nbbc.coop/  is another wordpress site

Wordpress takes a little skill, but you can host it yourself. 

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Graham McIntire  wrote:
> 
> Squarespace.com -- they are great to work with and the sites don't
> look remotely close to the garbage godaddy spits out.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Working with WIX.  Very similar to the website builder thingy Godaddy tries
>> to sell.
>> 
>> From: Lewis Bergman
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:00 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>> 
>> I hate a site that makes you sign up before they give you any info. Wix may
>> be great but that just pisses me off. Have you thought about
>> templatemonster.com? They have tons of templates. I used AWS the last time I
>> put up a new web site and it was pretty easy and I doubt there is anything
>> cheaper. I think Paul recommended it. My site is static and I don't change
>> it. If that doesn't describe what you want and you want some type of CMS
>> then maybe AWS isn't for you.
>> Unlike Wix though, You have to get your domain name, get your template and
>> replace pictures if you don't like the stock, change text with text editor,
>> then load it up to S3.
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did the godard freebie a few years ago, management interface sucked so
>>> bad I gave up. I don't know if it's still whatever it is, but if it is, just
>>> burn it with fire
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:10 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep.  I think if you transfer the domain you'll save money FYI.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
 
 Oh, so they host too.  I already have the domains.
 
 From: Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
 
 
 It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
> 
> Free?
> 
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
> 
> 
> Wix for sure.
> 
> Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>> 
>> Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting
>> service they recommend when you get a new domain.
>> 
>> Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template
>> service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too 
>> lazy
>> to just old fashioned HTML it.
>> 
>> Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[Jason McKemie]

It worked with the 320, not without its caveats, but I would think that LTE
would work better. No?

On Thursday, October 20, 2016, Rick Harnish 
wrote:

> You wouldn't have enough customer capacity.
>
> *Respectively,*
>
> *Rick Harnish*
> *Director of WISP Markets*
> *Direct: 972.922.1443*
> *Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.*
>
> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid*
> On Oct 20, 2016 8:34 PM, Jason McKemie  > wrote:
>
> I just wondered if there was any reason to use the 10W version in the US.
> Maybe with splitters for multiple antennas on a BS?
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016, George Skorup  > wrote:
>
> What Rick said earlier. 3.65. There's not a chance in hell of getting 2.5
> around here.
>
> On 10/20/2016 4:48 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Which base station are you testing with?
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:
>
> The one eNB we have up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case test
> site. We have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75 foot cable TV
> tower, so it's not even above the trees. But we're getting customers off of
> 900 which is the most important thing. Getting 30Mbps to a customer that
> could get only 1Mbps before is an improvement to say the least. I didn't
> think it'd be viable given the height limitation and tree density, but it's
> working rather well. We're going to swap out the MTI antenna for a KP and
> see what we get.
>
> On 10/20/2016 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
>  wrote:
>
> Heard from one of our customers today.� He has deployed baicells and it
> is doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.� He is in pine tree country.�
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Faisal Imtiaz]

single mode should also be fine... 

FWIW... here is what to check.. 

Check the receive sensitivity of the SFP in use.. and make sure that the 
received signal is at the very least 4db higher good range is 6db higher than 
rx sensitivity., 

2nd thing to check is .. How much light you are Tx and how much you are Rx. 
check on both sides, and you difference is the loss in cable + Connector... (TX 
- RX) on one side should be pretty similar to (TX-RX) of the other side... 
otherwise you have some cable or connector issue. (dirty or not seated properly 
or possible bad). 

When you see TX in the +1 or higher range or you start seeing RX in the range 
of -2 or higher then you need attenuators to bring the signal down, otherwise 
you are going to burn out the optics... (FYI.. the attenuation is normally put 
in on the RX side... ) 

There are some crazy carriers who sometimes use ZX Sfp's to hand off fiber 
connections inside the data center.. (these are high power optics designed to 
to 60-80km, they can put up to +5 or higher power !). 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 5:12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

> Whoops sorry to throw you off the trail, mine are single mode. Need more 
> coffee.

> Chris Wright

> Network Administrator

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

> My Trango issue is also with Multimodenot sure if that's a coincidence.

> As reported by the CCR, tx is -7dbm, rx is -6dbm.

> (Eric Kuhnke will now scold me and say I should be using SM, but the SFP's 
> with
> industrial temperature ranges are still a lot cheaper MM. And it's only going 
> a
> few hundred feet.)

> -- Original Message --

> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >

> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >

> Sent: 10/20/2016 4:09:18 PM

> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

>> Tx: -6.250 dBm

>> Rx: -9.470 dBm

>> Multimode

>> Chris Wright

>> Network Administrator

>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

>> What are your light levels ?

>> SM or MM ?

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>>> I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between 
>>> CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 and
>>> Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps but no rx traffic. Netonix
>>> detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get any traffic through. Toggling 
>>> SFP
>>> to inactive/active usually fixes. Used Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP
>>> SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements one over the other. Netonix seems to
>>> prefer HP SFPs.

>>> Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed negotiation
>>> settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem * sometimes * - depends on
>>> what mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other times – 
>>> toggling
>>> usually fixes it though.

>>> Chris Wright

>>> Network Administrator

>>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

>>> I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a 
>>> Trango
>>> Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036. The SFP interface on the router says
>>> there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't. The 
>>> problem
>>> (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power. I can restore service 
>>> by
>>> rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber cable, or disabling
>>> and re-enabling the SFP interface. In this case I didn't have a good 
>>> picture of
>>> what was happening at first because when it was happening I didn't have 
>>> remote
>>> access to see the condition of everything.

>>> The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango. I've duplicated the
>>> problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, JDSU, 
>>> and
>>> Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango. I don't know 
>>> how
>>> common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS failed.

>>> -- Original Message --

>>> From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com >

>>> To: af@afmug.com

>>> Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM

>>> Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

 I have 

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[Rick Harnish]

You wouldn't have enough customer capacity.Respectively,Rick HarnishDirector of WISP MarketsDirect: 972.922.1443Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DroidOn Oct 20, 2016 8:34 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote:I just wondered if there was any reason to use the 10W version in the US. Maybe with splitters for multiple antennas on a BS?On Thursday, October 20, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:
  

  
  
What Rick said earlier. 3.65. There's not a chance in hell of
getting 2.5 around here.

On 10/20/2016 4:48 PM, Jason McKemie
  wrote:


  Which base station are you testing with?
  
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM,
  George Skorup 
  wrote:
  
 The one eNB we have
  up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case test site. We
  have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75 foot
  cable TV tower, so it's not even above the trees. But
  we're getting customers off of 900 which is the most
  important thing. Getting 30Mbps to a customer that could
  get only 1Mbps before is an improvement to say the least.
  I didn't think it'd be viable given the height limitation
  and tree density, but it's working rather well. We're
  going to swap out the MTI antenna for a KP and see what we
  get.
  
  On
10/20/2016 12:22 PM, chuck@wbmfg.com
wrote:
  
  

  
Heard from one of our customers today.� He
  has deployed baicells and it is doing great for
  NLOS up to 4 miles.� He is in pine tree
  country.� 
  

  
  

  


  


  

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[Jason McKemie]

I just wondered if there was any reason to use the 10W version in the US.
Maybe with splitters for multiple antennas on a BS?

On Thursday, October 20, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> What Rick said earlier. 3.65. There's not a chance in hell of getting 2.5
> around here.
>
> On 10/20/2016 4:48 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Which base station are you testing with?
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:
>
>> The one eNB we have up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case test
>> site. We have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75 foot cable TV
>> tower, so it's not even above the trees. But we're getting customers off of
>> 900 which is the most important thing. Getting 30Mbps to a customer that
>> could get only 1Mbps before is an improvement to say the least. I didn't
>> think it'd be viable given the height limitation and tree density, but it's
>> working rather well. We're going to swap out the MTI antenna for a KP and
>> see what we get.
>>
>> On 10/20/2016 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Heard from one of our customers today.� He has deployed baicells and it
>> is doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.� He is in pine tree country.�
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trump TV OTT channel beta?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

DT Jr makes me think of american Psycho, now that guy wasnt all that bad of
a guy, he just had a couple of questionable predilections, “I have to
return some videotapes”

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> My oh that's bullshit app blocked it... Oh well
>
> On Oct 20, 2016 5:18 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> http://rsbn.tv/rsbn-live-exclusive-trump-campaign-holds-
>> special-debate-pregamepostgame-shows/
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] baicells 2.5 GHz high power and CPE

[Matt Corcoran]

ZTE was also only offering up to an 11db CPE.  LTE technology supposedly 
makes up for the 3db lower cpe transmit power as compared to wimax.  But I had 
some concern since the cpes are also 4db lower antenna gain than our 16db wimax 
CPEs? I would think that last 4db matters a lot.   Not so much for Sprint 
with lots of spectrum but for wisps with small chucks of bandwidth that use it 
for best penetration and have better options for customers with strong signals. 
   It did have an external antenna port but an external antenna doubled the cpe 
cost.

The Telrad CPE is the only higher gain one I have come across.


Matt Corcoran
Stratos Networks
Muskegon, MI


From: Af  on behalf of Rick Harnish 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 6:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] baicells 2.5 GHz high power and CPE

Baicells only has 11 dB outdoor and 5 dB indoor UEs in 2.5. KP makes a 
reflector dish for the 11.

Respectively,

Rick Harnish
Director of WISP Markets
Direct: 972.922.1443
Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid
On Oct 20, 2016 5:56 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

18 inch FYI, does Baicells have one?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 20, 2016 5:54 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" 
> wrote:
There is the possibility that a client of mine could obtain a 2.5 GHz license 
for a high powered baicells LTE system in a very remote area of Canada.

http://na.baicells.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/novar9-10w.pdf
What are the options for CPEs that work with this?  Ideally something highly 
directional/dish sized and at least 40-50cm in size.

Re: [AFMUG] Trump TV OTT channel beta?

[Jaime Solorza]

My oh that's bullshit app blocked it... Oh well

On Oct 20, 2016 5:18 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> http://rsbn.tv/rsbn-live-exclusive-trump-campaign-holds-special-debate-
> pregamepostgame-shows/
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Trump TV OTT channel beta?

[Ken Hohhof]

http://rsbn.tv/rsbn-live-exclusive-trump-campaign-holds-special-debate-prega
mepostgame-shows/

 

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[George Skorup]

What Rick said earlier. 3.65. There's not a chance in hell of getting 
2.5 around here.


On 10/20/2016 4:48 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Which base station are you testing with?

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


The one eNB we have up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case
test site. We have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75
foot cable TV tower, so it's not even above the trees. But we're
getting customers off of 900 which is the most important thing.
Getting 30Mbps to a customer that could get only 1Mbps before is
an improvement to say the least. I didn't think it'd be viable
given the height limitation and tree density, but it's working
rather well. We're going to swap out the MTI antenna for a KP and
see what we get.

On 10/20/2016 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

Heard from one of our customers today.� He has deployed
baicells and it is doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.� He is
in pine tree country.�

Re: [AFMUG] baicells 2.5 GHz high power and CPE

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i also noticed a 10 watt 3.5 radio.  i assume that is NOT for the US? :)
is it a possibility with the new 3.5 rules under consideration?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 4:54 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] baicells 2.5 GHz high power and CPE


  There is the possibility that a client of mine could obtain a 2.5 GHz license 
for a high powered baicells LTE system in a very remote area of Canada.

  http://na.baicells.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/novar9-10w.pdf


  What are the options for CPEs that work with this?  Ideally something highly 
directional/dish sized and at least 40-50cm in size. 

Re: [AFMUG] baicells 2.5 GHz high power and CPE

[Rick Harnish]

Baicells only has 11 dB outdoor and 5 dB indoor UEs in 2.5. KP makes a reflector dish for the 11.Respectively,Rick HarnishDirector of WISP MarketsDirect: 972.922.1443Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DroidOn Oct 20, 2016 5:56 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:18 inch FYI, does Baicells have one?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Oct 20, 2016 5:54 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:There is the possibility that a client of mine could obtain a 2.5 GHz license for a high powered baicells LTE system in a very remote area of Canada.http://na.baicells.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/novar9-10w.pdfWhat are the options for CPEs that work with this?  Ideally something highly directional/dish sized and at least 40-50cm in size. 

Re: [AFMUG] CNMaestro Export

[Darren Shea]

I'd also like to hear a solution - I was running a very light subset of my 
network on the cloud version, so I just manually moved the handful of devices 
over.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:13 PM
To: af
Subject: [AFMUG] CNMaestro Export

We were testing the cloud based version and now I'm trying out the on-premises 
version.  I can't seem to find any way to export our inventory from the cloud 
version and import it into the on-prem version.  The docs show a method from 
on-prem to on-prem migrations but those functions don't exist on the cloud 
version. 

Anyone have an idea? 

Re: [AFMUG] baicells 2.5 GHz high power and CPE

[Josh Luthman]

18 inch FYI, does Baicells have one?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 20, 2016 5:54 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> There is the possibility that a client of mine could obtain a 2.5 GHz
> license for a high powered baicells LTE system in a very remote area of
> Canada.
>
> http://na.baicells.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/novar9-10w.pdf
>
> What are the options for CPEs that work with this?  Ideally something
> highly directional/dish sized and at least 40-50cm in size.
>

[AFMUG] baicells 2.5 GHz high power and CPE

[Eric Kuhnke]

There is the possibility that a client of mine could obtain a 2.5 GHz
license for a high powered baicells LTE system in a very remote area of
Canada.

http://na.baicells.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/novar9-10w.pdf

What are the options for CPEs that work with this?  Ideally something
highly directional/dish sized and at least 40-50cm in size.

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[Jason McKemie]

Which base station are you testing with?

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> The one eNB we have up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case test
> site. We have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75 foot cable TV
> tower, so it's not even above the trees. But we're getting customers off of
> 900 which is the most important thing. Getting 30Mbps to a customer that
> could get only 1Mbps before is an improvement to say the least. I didn't
> think it'd be viable given the height limitation and tree density, but it's
> working rather well. We're going to swap out the MTI antenna for a KP and
> see what we get.
>
> On 10/20/2016 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Heard from one of our customers today.� He has deployed baicells and it
> is doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.� He is in pine tree country.�
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

[Jay Weekley]

I've had good luck with an Iogear G72UCS.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=iogear+gcs72u

Paul McCall wrote:


Any recommendations for a decent USB based KVM ?

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Hey Sam I Am... Going to meeting?

[Jaime Solorza]

awesomesome of my favorite places

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Here is where we went.. We actually were looking for Oryx sightings, but
> nope, we stayed rubber side up till Roswell. Then I had a fuel line break
> and had my wife come and get me with a trailer.
> https://spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php?id=1264257e531221387e
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> Cool... Did you go by Alamo mountain west of Cornudas?   Great
>> petroglyphs...I heard about meeting on KRWG out of Lordsburg repeater from
>> Las Cruces.  Folks from Sandia, Los Alamos and providers will be there
>> I think it might be worthwhile... I have too much work to take off
>> Friday Glad you had fun and are safely home Oryx vs Bike!!!  Yikes
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2016 10:40 AM, "Sam Lambie"  wrote:
>>
>>> Is it this meeting or something else? [1st-mile-nm] SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY
>>> AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE: Meeting on NM Broadband
>>>
>>> I haven't even heard of any meetings this week as I went on vacation for
>>> 2 weeks! Woop Woop! Lots of cheap mexican beer consumed while riding
>>> motorcycles on dirt through our beautiful state. North (Antonito, Co) to
>>> South (Dell City TX) 1300 miles. 9 days of camping. Most excellent times!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Sam are you going to high speed broadband meeting in Santa Few this
 Friday?

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hey Sam I Am... Going to meeting?

[Sam Lambie]

Here is where we went.. We actually were looking for Oryx sightings, but
nope, we stayed rubber side up till Roswell. Then I had a fuel line break
and had my wife come and get me with a trailer.
https://spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php?id=1264257e531221387e

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Cool... Did you go by Alamo mountain west of Cornudas?   Great
> petroglyphs...I heard about meeting on KRWG out of Lordsburg repeater from
> Las Cruces.  Folks from Sandia, Los Alamos and providers will be there
> I think it might be worthwhile... I have too much work to take off
> Friday Glad you had fun and are safely home Oryx vs Bike!!!  Yikes
>
> On Oct 20, 2016 10:40 AM, "Sam Lambie"  wrote:
>
>> Is it this meeting or something else? [1st-mile-nm] SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY
>> AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE: Meeting on NM Broadband
>>
>> I haven't even heard of any meetings this week as I went on vacation for
>> 2 weeks! Woop Woop! Lots of cheap mexican beer consumed while riding
>> motorcycles on dirt through our beautiful state. North (Antonito, Co) to
>> South (Dell City TX) 1300 miles. 9 days of camping. Most excellent times!
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Sam are you going to high speed broadband meeting in Santa Few this
>>> Friday?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Chris Wright]

Whoops sorry to throw you off the trail, mine are single mode. Need more coffee.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

My Trango issue is also with Multimodenot sure if that's a coincidence.
As reported by the CCR, tx is -7dbm, rx is -6dbm.

(Eric Kuhnke will now scold me and say I should be using SM, but the SFP's with 
industrial temperature ranges are still a lot cheaper MM.  And it's only going 
a few hundred feet.)


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 10/20/2016 4:09:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

Tx: -6.250 dBm
Rx: -9.470 dBm
Multimode

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

What are your light levels ?
SM or MM ?

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 
and Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps but no rx traffic. Netonix 
detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get any traffic through. Toggling SFP 
to inactive/active usually fixes. Used Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP 
SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements one over the other. Netonix seems to 
prefer HP SFPs.

Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed negotiation 
settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem *sometimes* - depends on what 
mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other times – toggling 
usually fixes it though.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a 
Trango Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036.  The SFP interface on the router 
says there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't.  The 
problem (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power.  I can restore 
service by rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber cable, or 
disabling and re-enabling the SFP interface.  In this case I didn't have a good 
picture of what was happening at first because when it was happening I didn't 
have remote access to see the condition of everything.

The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango.  I've duplicated the 
problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, JDSU, and 
Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango.  I don't know how 
common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS failed.


-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last night, 
Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...

Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

[Chris Wright]

NanoBM

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

Did you sit on it or was it a result of a fall?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

Damn right...I have a UBNT device inside of me right now.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 10/20/2016 4:19:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

Well, thats the end of that, going to UBNT, they let you do whatever you want

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
They created ePMP man, but their contract specifically states:

"...Product is not designed, intended, or authorized for use as components in 
systems intended for surgical implant into the body;..."



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

[Dan Petermann]

On Oct 20, 2016, at 2:29 PM,   wrote:

> Did you sit on it or was it a result of a fall?
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:25 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract
>  
> Damn right...I have a UBNT device inside of me right now.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/20/2016 4:19:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract
>  
>> Well, thats the end of that, going to UBNT, they let you do whatever you want
>>  
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Christopher Gray 
>>  wrote:
>> They created ePMP man, but their contract specifically states:
>>  
>> "...Product is not designed, intended, or authorized for use as components 
>> in systems intended for surgical implant into the body;..."
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Graham McIntire]

Squarespace.com -- they are great to work with and the sites don't
look remotely close to the garbage godaddy spits out.

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Working with WIX.  Very similar to the website builder thingy Godaddy tries
> to sell.
>
> From: Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:00 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>
> I hate a site that makes you sign up before they give you any info. Wix may
> be great but that just pisses me off. Have you thought about
> templatemonster.com? They have tons of templates. I used AWS the last time I
> put up a new web site and it was pretty easy and I doubt there is anything
> cheaper. I think Paul recommended it. My site is static and I don't change
> it. If that doesn't describe what you want and you want some type of CMS
> then maybe AWS isn't for you.
> Unlike Wix though, You have to get your domain name, get your template and
> replace pictures if you don't like the stock, change text with text editor,
> then load it up to S3.
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
>>
>> I did the godard freebie a few years ago, management interface sucked so
>> bad I gave up. I don't know if it's still whatever it is, but if it is, just
>> burn it with fire
>>
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:10 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yep.  I think if you transfer the domain you'll save money FYI.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, so they host too.  I already have the domains.
>>>
>>> From: Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>>>
>>>
>>> It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 Free?

 From: Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website


 Wix for sure.

 Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting
> service they recommend when you get a new domain.
>
> Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template
> service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too 
> lazy
> to just old fashioned HTML it.
>
> Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Faisal Imtiaz]

output of -2.7dBm is perfectly normal for a LX SMF SFP. 

The question is not how much power is being put out... the real question is how 
much power is being received ? 
(based on the the length of the cable and connectors one can determine if it is 
ok or if there is something wrong with the cable / connector / dirty or not 
seated properly. 

Since each side is Tx on one strand, and Rx on the other strand, it is 
important to note the RX on each side of the link. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:49:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

> -2.7 any way I can lower the output? SM, I have some 7db attenuators I can
> install?

> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> What are your light levels ?
>> SM or MM ?

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

>>> I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between 
>>> CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 and
>>> Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps but no rx traffic. Netonix
>>> detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get any traffic through. Toggling 
>>> SFP
>>> to inactive/active usually fixes. Used Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP
>>> SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements one over the other. Netonix seems to
>>> prefer HP SFPs.

>>> Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed negotiation
>>> settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem * sometimes * - depends on
>>> what mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other times – 
>>> toggling
>>> usually fixes it though.

>>> Chris Wright

>>> Network Administrator

>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

>>> I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a 
>>> Trango
>>> Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036. The SFP interface on the router says
>>> there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't. The 
>>> problem
>>> (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power. I can restore service 
>>> by
>>> rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber cable, or disabling
>>> and re-enabling the SFP interface. In this case I didn't have a good 
>>> picture of
>>> what was happening at first because when it was happening I didn't have 
>>> remote
>>> access to see the condition of everything.

>>> The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango. I've duplicated the
>>> problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, JDSU, 
>>> and
>>> Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango. I don't know 
>>> how
>>> common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS failed.

>>> -- Original Message --

>>> From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com >

>>> To: af@afmug.com

>>> Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM

>>> Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

 I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last 
 night, Not
 sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...

 Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Faisal Imtiaz]

To TJ: no sfp's done turn themselves down.. you have to attenuate. 

To Chris:- check what is the rx sensitivity on your SFP's... this one of 
your light levels look good. Check the other side too...to confirm that is also 
ok... 
could be something to do with some other setting (STP/Flowcontrol/Auto 
Negotiate etc). 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 4:17:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

> I'm guessing my sfp shouldn't be transmitting at maximum power, aren't they
> supposed to turn themself's down??

> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Chris Wright < ch...@velociter.net > wrote:

>> Tx: -6.250 dBm

>> Rx: -9.470 dBm

>> Multimode

>> Chris Wright

>> Network Administrator

>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:40 PM

>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

>> What are your light levels ?

>> SM or MM ?

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>>> I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between 
>>> CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 and
>>> Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps but no rx traffic. Netonix
>>> detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get any traffic through. Toggling 
>>> SFP
>>> to inactive/active usually fixes. Used Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP
>>> SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements one over the other. Netonix seems to
>>> prefer HP SFPs.

>>> Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed negotiation
>>> settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem * sometimes * - depends on
>>> what mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other times – 
>>> toggling
>>> usually fixes it though.

>>> Chris Wright

>>> Network Administrator

>>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

>>> I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a 
>>> Trango
>>> Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036. The SFP interface on the router says
>>> there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't. The 
>>> problem
>>> (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power. I can restore service 
>>> by
>>> rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber cable, or disabling
>>> and re-enabling the SFP interface. In this case I didn't have a good 
>>> picture of
>>> what was happening at first because when it was happening I didn't have 
>>> remote
>>> access to see the condition of everything.

>>> The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango. I've duplicated the
>>> problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, JDSU, 
>>> and
>>> Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango. I don't know 
>>> how
>>> common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS failed.

>>> -- Original Message --

>>> From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com >

>>> To: af@afmug.com

>>> Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM

>>> Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

 I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last 
 night, Not
 sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...

 Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

[Adam Moffett]

I surgically implanted it.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/20/2016 4:29:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract


Did you sit on it or was it a result of a fall?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:25 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

Damn right...I have a UBNT device inside of me right now.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/20/2016 4:19:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

Well, thats the end of that, going to UBNT, they let you do whatever 
you want


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Christopher Gray 
 wrote:

They created ePMP man, but their contract specifically states:

"...Product is not designed, intended, or authorized for use as 
components in systems intended for surgical implant into the 
body;..."




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

[chuck]

Did you sit on it or was it a result of a fall?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

Damn right...I have a UBNT device inside of me right now.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/20/2016 4:19:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

  Well, thats the end of that, going to UBNT, they let you do whatever you want

  On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Christopher Gray 
 wrote:

They created ePMP man, but their contract specifically states:

"...Product is not designed, intended, or authorized for use as components 
in systems intended for surgical implant into the body;..." 




  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

[Adam Moffett]

Damn right...I have a UBNT device inside of me right now.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/20/2016 4:19:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

Well, thats the end of that, going to UBNT, they let you do whatever 
you want


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Christopher Gray 
 wrote:

They created ePMP man, but their contract specifically states:

"...Product is not designed, intended, or authorized for use as 
components in systems intended for surgical implant into the body;..."




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

[chuck]

That screws my Jackass performance ...

From: Christopher Gray 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

They created ePMP man, but their contract specifically states:

"...Product is not designed, intended, or authorized for use as components in 
systems intended for surgical implant into the body;..." 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Well, thats the end of that, going to UBNT, they let you do whatever you
want

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> They created ePMP man, but their contract specifically states:
>
> "...Product is not designed, intended, or authorized for use as components
> in systems intended for surgical implant into the body;..."
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Adam Moffett]

My Trango issue is also with Multimodenot sure if that's a 
coincidence.

As reported by the CCR, tx is -7dbm, rx is -6dbm.

(Eric Kuhnke will now scold me and say I should be using SM, but the 
SFP's with industrial temperature ranges are still a lot cheaper MM.  
And it's only going a few hundred feet.)



-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/20/2016 4:09:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup


Tx: -6.250 dBm

Rx: -9.470 dBm

Multimode



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:40 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup



What are your light levels ?

SM or MM ?



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net





From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between 
CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 and Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 
1Gbps but no rx traffic. Netonix detects the cable is plugged in but 
can’t get any traffic through. Toggling SFP to inactive/active usually 
fixes. Used Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP SFPs in the Mikrotik 
– no improvements one over the other. Netonix seems to prefer HP SFPs.




Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed 
negotiation settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem 
*sometimes* - depends on what mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it 
fails at other times – toggling usually fixes it though.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup



I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation 
where a Trango Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036.  The SFP interface 
on the router says there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango 
says there isn't.  The problem (in my case) occurs any time the Trango 
loses power.  I can restore service by rebooting the CCR, unplugging 
and reconnecting the fiber cable, or disabling and re-enabling the SFP 
interface.  In this case I didn't have a good picture of what was 
happening at first because when it was happening I didn't have remote 
access to see the condition of everything.




The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango.  I've duplicated 
the problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, 
Maxxwave, JDSU, and Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in 
the Trango.  I don't know how common this issue isit only became 
apparent after a UPS failed.






-- Original Message --

From: "TJ Trout" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup



I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last 
night, Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...




Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[TJ Trout]

I'm guessing my sfp shouldn't be transmitting at maximum power, aren't they
supposed to turn themself's down??

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> Tx: -6.250 dBm
>
> Rx: -9.470 dBm
>
> Multimode
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:40 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>
>
>
> What are your light levels ?
>
> SM or MM ?
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>
> I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between
> CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 and Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps
> but no rx traffic. Netonix detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get
> any traffic through. Toggling SFP to inactive/active usually fixes. Used
> Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements
> one over the other. Netonix seems to prefer HP SFPs.
>
>
>
> Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed
> negotiation settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem **sometimes**
> - depends on what mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other
> times – toggling usually fixes it though.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>
>
>
> I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a
> Trango Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036.  The SFP interface on the router
> says there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't.
> The problem (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power.  I can
> restore service by rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber
> cable, or disabling and re-enabling the SFP interface.  In this case I
> didn't have a good picture of what was happening at first because when it
> was happening I didn't have remote access to see the condition of
> everything.
>
>
>
> The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango.  I've duplicated the
> problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, JDSU,
> and Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango.  I don't
> know how common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS failed.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "TJ Trout" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>
>
>
> I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last
> night, Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...
>
>
>
> Anyone encountered this and have a solution?
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

[Christopher Gray]

They created ePMP man, but their contract specifically states:

"...Product is not designed, intended, or authorized for use as components
in systems intended for surgical implant into the body;..."

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Chris Wright]

Tx: -6.250 dBm
Rx: -9.470 dBm
Multimode

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

What are your light levels ?
SM or MM ?

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 
and Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps but no rx traffic. Netonix 
detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get any traffic through. Toggling SFP 
to inactive/active usually fixes. Used Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP 
SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements one over the other. Netonix seems to 
prefer HP SFPs.

Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed negotiation 
settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem *sometimes* - depends on what 
mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other times – toggling 
usually fixes it though.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a 
Trango Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036.  The SFP interface on the router 
says there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't.  The 
problem (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power.  I can restore 
service by rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber cable, or 
disabling and re-enabling the SFP interface.  In this case I didn't have a good 
picture of what was happening at first because when it was happening I didn't 
have remote access to see the condition of everything.

The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango.  I've duplicated the 
problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, JDSU, and 
Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango.  I don't know how 
common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS failed.


-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last night, 
Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...

Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[TJ Trout]

I'm on 6.36.3 was thinking of downgrading to bugfix or upgrading to latest
current. Will try another fs.com SFP and possibly order a mikrotik SFP

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:49 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> -2.7 any way I can lower the output? SM, I have some 7db attenuators I can
> install?
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> What are your light levels ?
>> SM or MM ?
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>>
>> I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between
>> CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 and Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps
>> but no rx traffic. Netonix detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get
>> any traffic through. Toggling SFP to inactive/active usually fixes. Used
>> Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements
>> one over the other. Netonix seems to prefer HP SFPs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed
>> negotiation settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem **sometimes**
>> - depends on what mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other
>> times – toggling usually fixes it though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a
>> Trango Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036.  The SFP interface on the router
>> says there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't.
>> The problem (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power.  I can
>> restore service by rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber
>> cable, or disabling and re-enabling the SFP interface.  In this case I
>> didn't have a good picture of what was happening at first because when it
>> was happening I didn't have remote access to see the condition of
>> everything.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango.  I've duplicated
>> the problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave,
>> JDSU, and Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango.  I
>> don't know how common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS
>> failed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM
>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last
>> night, Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone encountered this and have a solution?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[TJ Trout]

-2.7 any way I can lower the output? SM, I have some 7db attenuators I can
install?

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> What are your light levels ?
> SM or MM ?
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>
> I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between
> CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 and Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps
> but no rx traffic. Netonix detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get
> any traffic through. Toggling SFP to inactive/active usually fixes. Used
> Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements
> one over the other. Netonix seems to prefer HP SFPs.
>
>
>
> Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed
> negotiation settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem **sometimes**
> - depends on what mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other
> times – toggling usually fixes it though.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>
>
>
> I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a
> Trango Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036.  The SFP interface on the router
> says there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't.
> The problem (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power.  I can
> restore service by rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber
> cable, or disabling and re-enabling the SFP interface.  In this case I
> didn't have a good picture of what was happening at first because when it
> was happening I didn't have remote access to see the condition of
> everything.
>
>
>
> The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango.  I've duplicated the
> problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, JDSU,
> and Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango.  I don't
> know how common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS failed.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "TJ Trout" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup
>
>
>
> I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last
> night, Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...
>
>
>
> Anyone encountered this and have a solution?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

[Matt Mangriotis]

There are a few threads where folks are reporting something that sounds similar:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro-Beta/PMP450-Devices-Reporting-Offline/m-p/60838#U60838

I don’t have any updates, but the cnMaestro team is working it.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

reviving an old topic, but today a bunch of ours showed offline, when logged 
into the units they say invalid serial number, going to configure-system and 
re-adding the onboarding info brings them up, we recently brought everything to 
3.01 is this a known bug

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Christopher Tyler 
> wrote:
Cool, thanks for the info.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:39:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

Probably have to go to the forum for any assistance, that's where I'd go
for this.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Christopher Tyler 

> wrote:

> The ePMP was previously onboarded but showing down for some reason, it's
> now showing as up. It only took about 20 minutes for it's status to change
> for some reason.
> The routers won't onboard at all, just shows as being "Queued" and have
> been in that state for the last 20 minutes.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:22:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
>
> I haven't got any 3.0 units on cnMaestro, did you confirm that's working
> with others?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > wrote:
>
> > Everything running latest.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > >
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:17:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
> >
> > Running minimum versions?
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> > ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to cnMaestro?
> > > I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even
> > > though they are all up and accessible.
> > > Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to tell
> > > them to fix their server.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher Tyler
> > > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > > 417.851.1107
> > >
> > >
> >
>



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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

reviving an old topic, but today a bunch of ours showed offline, when
logged into the units they say invalid serial number, going to
configure-system and re-adding the onboarding info brings them up, we
recently brought everything to 3.01 is this a known bug

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Christopher Tyler <
ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:

> Cool, thanks for the info.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:39:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
>
> Probably have to go to the forum for any assistance, that's where I'd go
> for this.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > wrote:
>
> > The ePMP was previously onboarded but showing down for some reason, it's
> > now showing as up. It only took about 20 minutes for it's status to
> change
> > for some reason.
> > The routers won't onboard at all, just shows as being "Queued" and have
> > been in that state for the last 20 minutes.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:22:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
> >
> > I haven't got any 3.0 units on cnMaestro, did you confirm that's working
> > with others?
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> > ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Everything running latest.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher Tyler
> > > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > > 417.851.1107
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > > To: af@afmug.com
> > > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:17:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro
> > >
> > > Running minimum versions?
> > >
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Tyler <
> > > ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anyone else having issues this morning onboarding devices to
> cnMaestro?
> > > > I have a couple of routers and an ePMP radio that all show down even
> > > > though they are all up and accessible.
> > > > Just want to know if it's me or if I should be calling Cambium to
> tell
> > > > them to fix their server.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christopher Tyler
> > > > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > > > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > > > 417.851.1107
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

[Ken Hohhof]

Matt, I always ask, is this truly electrical downtilt, or just a built-in
mechanical downtilt?  I would expect electrical downtilt to maintain the
downtilt angle across the entire horizontal beamwidth, while mechanical
downtilt provides less downtilt at the edges.  (Probably not a big deal for
a 90 degree sector with 2 degrees of downtilt, it matters more with wider
sectors and greater downtilt.)

 

I usually have the guys downtilt Cambium sectors about 1.5 degrees, so 2
degrees is close to what we do already.  But high risk of the tower climbers
adding another 2 degrees leading to those of us who stay on the ground or
back at the office going WTF when we don't get the range we expected.  It
would not be a bad idea to actually put a label on the antennas stating the
built-in downtilt.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

The integrated 450i sector antenna does indeed have a 2 degree electrical
downtilt.  As noted below, it does have tremendous null-fill, as well as
optimized Front-to-back isolation to allow frequency re-use patterns.

 

Yes, this downtilt is a departure from our OEM antennas.  This should appear
in the spec sheet. I will update it so that it is clearly called out, as it
is different.

 

Matt 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

That is exactly what I saw.  

 

Also when using it in link planner it is showing optimum throughput for our
current subscribers setting at 3 degrees up tilt.

If old panel is used in Link Planner it shows -1 degrees down tilt.

 

So I am guessing -4 electrical down tilt.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

The pattern on the spec sheet would lead you to believe yes, which is a
departure for Cambium.  It also shows null fill.  I don't see a downtilt
number on the spec sheet though.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end
of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.  You want the on in the
attached Spec Sheet.

 

The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated
model and the Cambium 5GHz sector.  The feedback I've heard has been mostly
positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX
power by playing with the antenna gain settings.  So if your overdriving
your gear - it might not be a good investment.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

That is the type of information I need.  I was not aware the specs on the
intergraded were poor.  We have never been very happy with the performance
of the 85009324001.  That begs the question.  What 90 degree antenna is
giving great results?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Why would you do that?  I thought the integrated was more of a convenience
thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance.

 

You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are
wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels.

Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and
F/B performance if that's what you  are looking for.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with
a 450i Integrated?

 

I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of
performance improvement?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 


 

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Faisal Imtiaz]

What are your light levels ? 
SM or MM ? 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:30:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

> I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 
> and
> Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps but no rx traffic. Netonix
> detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get any traffic through. Toggling 
> SFP
> to inactive/active usually fixes. Used Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP
> SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements one over the other. Netonix seems to
> prefer HP SFPs.

> Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed negotiation
> settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem * sometimes * - depends on
> what mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other times – toggling
> usually fixes it though.

> Chris Wright

> Network Administrator

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

> I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a 
> Trango
> Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036. The SFP interface on the router says
> there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't. The 
> problem
> (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power. I can restore service by
> rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber cable, or disabling
> and re-enabling the SFP interface. In this case I didn't have a good picture 
> of
> what was happening at first because when it was happening I didn't have remote
> access to see the condition of everything.

> The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango. I've duplicated the
> problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, JDSU, and
> Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango. I don't know how
> common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS failed.

> -- Original Message --

> From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com >

> To: af@afmug.com

> Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM

> Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

>> I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last night, 
>> Not
>> sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...

>> Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Chris Wright]

I’ve seen that same issue as you describe it between CCR1036/CCR1016/CCR1009 
and Netonix switches. Tik says fiber is up at 1Gbps but no rx traffic. Netonix 
detects the cable is plugged in but can’t get any traffic through. Toggling SFP 
to inactive/active usually fixes. Used Fiberstore Generic, Mikrotik, and HP 
SFPs in the Mikrotik – no improvements one over the other. Netonix seems to 
prefer HP SFPs.

Doing things like turning flow control on/off or changing speed negotiation 
settings on the Mikrotik can induce this problem *sometimes* - depends on what 
mood it’s in. No rhyme or reason when it fails at other times – toggling 
usually fixes it though.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where a 
Trango Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036.  The SFP interface on the router 
says there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there isn't.  The 
problem (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power.  I can restore 
service by rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting the fiber cable, or 
disabling and re-enabling the SFP interface.  In this case I didn't have a good 
picture of what was happening at first because when it was happening I didn't 
have remote access to see the condition of everything.

The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango.  I've duplicated the 
problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, JDSU, and 
Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango.  I don't know how 
common this issue isit only became apparent after a UPS failed.


-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last night, 
Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...

Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

[Matt Mangriotis]

The integrated 450i sector antenna does indeed have a 2 degree electrical 
downtilt.  As noted below, it does have tremendous null-fill, as well as 
optimized Front-to-back isolation to allow frequency re-use patterns.

Yes, this downtilt is a departure from our OEM antennas.  This should appear in 
the spec sheet. I will update it so that it is clearly called out, as it is 
different.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

That is exactly what I saw.

Also when using it in link planner it is showing optimum throughput for our 
current subscribers setting at 3 degrees up tilt.
If old panel is used in Link Planner it shows -1 degrees down tilt.

So I am guessing -4 electrical down tilt.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

The pattern on the spec sheet would lead you to believe yes, which is a 
departure for Cambium.  It also shows null fill.  I don't see a downtilt number 
on the spec sheet though.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt?

Thanks

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of 
the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.  You want the on in the attached 
Spec Sheet.

The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model 
and the Cambium 5GHz sector.  The feedback I've heard has been mostly positive, 
although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by 
playing with the antenna gain settings.  So if your overdriving your gear - it 
might not be a good investment.

Daniel White
Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

That is the type of information I need.  I was not aware the specs on the 
intergraded were poor.  We have never been very happy with the performance of 
the 85009324001.  That begs the question.  What 90 degree antenna is giving 
great results?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

Why would you do that?  I thought the integrated was more of a convenience 
thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance.

You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are 
wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels.
Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B 
performance if that's what you  are looking for.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 
450i Integrated?

I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of 
performance improvement?

Thanks

Adam

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sender.]

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Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Chris Wright]

If toggling the active button in Winbox resurrected it, I’ve seen the same 
thing happen with talking SFP to Netonix switches. Until you toggle it, L1 
works (Fiber detected, stats given, all good)but L2+ nada.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last night, 
Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...

Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Adam Moffett]

I'm not saying this is the same problembut I have a situation where 
a Trango Apex Lynx loses link to a CCR 1036.  The SFP interface on the 
router says there's link, but the SFP interface on the Trango says there 
isn't.  The problem (in my case) occurs any time the Trango loses power. 
 I can restore service by rebooting the CCR, unplugging and reconnecting 
the fiber cable, or disabling and re-enabling the SFP interface.  In 
this case I didn't have a good picture of what was happening at first 
because when it was happening I didn't have remote access to see the 
condition of everything.


The Apex Lynx has the JDSU SFP module sold by Trango.  I've duplicated 
the problem with 4 different SFP's in the CCR (Mikrotik brand, Maxxwave, 
JDSU, and Finisar), but I haven't tried changing the SFP in the Trango.  
I don't know how common this issue isit only became apparent after a 
UPS failed.



-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/20/2016 2:30:29 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last 
night, Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...


Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

[SmarterBroadband]

That is exactly what I saw.  

 

Also when using it in link planner it is showing optimum throughput for our
current subscribers setting at 3 degrees up tilt.

If old panel is used in Link Planner it shows -1 degrees down tilt.

 

So I am guessing -4 electrical down tilt.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

The pattern on the spec sheet would lead you to believe yes, which is a
departure for Cambium.  It also shows null fill.  I don't see a downtilt
number on the spec sheet though.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end
of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.  You want the on in the
attached Spec Sheet.

 

The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated
model and the Cambium 5GHz sector.  The feedback I've heard has been mostly
positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX
power by playing with the antenna gain settings.  So if your overdriving
your gear - it might not be a good investment.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

That is the type of information I need.  I was not aware the specs on the
intergraded were poor.  We have never been very happy with the performance
of the 85009324001.  That begs the question.  What 90 degree antenna is
giving great results?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Why would you do that?  I thought the integrated was more of a convenience
thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance.

 

You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are
wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels.

Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and
F/B performance if that's what you  are looking for.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with
a 450i Integrated?

 

I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of
performance improvement?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 


 
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Virus-free.
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Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Sterling Jacobson]

We use a lot of CRS for MDU installments on fiber and they seem to be working 
well with a handful of generic SFP+ modules.

The only time I have had issues was on a power outage or brownout where one or 
two would go into lala land and need a reboot.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last night, 
Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...

Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

[Ken Hohhof]

The pattern on the spec sheet would lead you to believe yes, which is a
departure for Cambium.  It also shows null fill.  I don't see a downtilt
number on the spec sheet though.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end
of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.  You want the on in the
attached Spec Sheet.

 

The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated
model and the Cambium 5GHz sector.  The feedback I've heard has been mostly
positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX
power by playing with the antenna gain settings.  So if your overdriving
your gear - it might not be a good investment.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

That is the type of information I need.  I was not aware the specs on the
intergraded were poor.  We have never been very happy with the performance
of the 85009324001.  That begs the question.  What 90 degree antenna is
giving great results?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Why would you do that?  I thought the integrated was more of a convenience
thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance.

 

You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are
wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels.

Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and
F/B performance if that's what you  are looking for.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with
a 450i Integrated?

 

I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of
performance improvement?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 


 
 

Virus-free.
 www.avast.com 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

[George Skorup]

I asked Matt. It has null-fill just like the Laird. It's the same basic 
design as the ePMP 2000 sector. The 450m has null-fill on the beams as well.


On 10/20/2016 1:58 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt?

Thanks

Adam

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the 
end of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.  You want the on 
in the attached Spec Sheet.


The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old 
integrated model and the Cambium 5GHz sector.  The feedback I�ve heard 
has been mostly positive, although the integrated model prevents you 
from turning up the TX power by playing with the antenna gain 
settings.  So if your overdriving your gear � it might not be a good 
investment.


Daniel White

Managing Director � Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com 

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

That is the type of information I need.  I was not aware the specs on 
the intergraded were poor.  We have never been very happy with the 
performance of the 85009324001.  That begs the question.  What 90 
degree antenna is giving great results?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

Why would you do that?  I thought the integrated was more of a 
convenience thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance.


You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if 
you are wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels.


Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better 
sidelobe and F/B performance if that�s what you  are looking for.


*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) 
with a 450i Integrated?


I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of 
performance improvement?


Thanks

Adam





Virus-free. www.avast.com 
 

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

[SmarterBroadband]

Does this new 90 degree integrated sector have built in down tilt?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end
of the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.  You want the on in the
attached Spec Sheet.

 

The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated
model and the Cambium 5GHz sector.  The feedback I've heard has been mostly
positive, although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX
power by playing with the antenna gain settings.  So if your overdriving
your gear - it might not be a good investment.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

That is the type of information I need.  I was not aware the specs on the
intergraded were poor.  We have never been very happy with the performance
of the 85009324001.  That begs the question.  What 90 degree antenna is
giving great results?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Why would you do that?  I thought the integrated was more of a convenience
thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance.

 

You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are
wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels.

Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and
F/B performance if that's what you  are looking for.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

 

Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with
a 450i Integrated?

 

I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of
performance improvement?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 


 
 

Virus-free.
 www.avast.com 

 

Re: [AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[Joe Novak]

I have no proof that I can one hundred percent blame this on SFPs - but -
we had quite a few older CCR1036s and 1016s that locked up once in a great
while with different vendor SFPs. Everything is on the latest firmware as
of a few months ago, beginning of summer maybe, and the lock ups completely
went away. Seemed to be a once every couple month event... so we will see.


Joe

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last
> night, Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...
>
> Anyone encountered this and have a solution?
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Ken Hohhof]

How do you get your daily dose of Angry Things if you don't watch TV.
Reddit?  4chan?  Come over to the dark side, be angry, all the cool kids are
doing it.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

LOL!

I gave up TV years ago, about the only thing I miss is the NHRA races.
Discovery and the History channel, unless they became a horror show like TLC
did.


On Oct 20, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We need to go into the TV and rescue you from The Upside Down which is 
> full of Angier Things:
> 
> http://boingboing.net/2016/10/19/trumps-angrier-things.html
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> And that is the problem. People continue to think they need to vote 
> for the lesser of two evils, never realizing they are still voting for
EVIL!
> 
> Vote for anyone but these two idiots. 
> 
> But, but, but.. the other candidate that I hate more will win!
> 
> Big deal, what is more important to you:
> 
> A. The less evil guy is in the White House
> 
> B. Looking yourself in the eye and being proud you didn't take a dump 
> on your principles.
> 
> No matter who wins, don't blame me, I'm not voting for either one.
> 
> On Oct 20, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Steve  wrote:
> 
>> Being a well informed Canadian all I can do is look at the United 
>> States
> and feel very very sorry for you.  This is the best you have to offer.  
> You are forced into picking the lesser of two evils again and YES both 
> are evil... even though one is a little more evil than the other.
>> 
>> But I would choose to vote for someone who has a history of not 
>> killing
> people. There is a trail of lies, deceit and murder behind Hillary and 
> her husband that cannot be put back into power. As far as I know Trump 
> has never done anything to kill anyone through action or inaction.
>> 
>> Not to mention if the Russians love Trump so much - wouldn't it be in 
>> your
> best interests to have a very good relationship with Russia?  To do 
> meaningful business with them?
>> 
>> I'm just thinking from a historical and a logical perspective.  
>> 
>> Trump is no saint.  I think Trump is a narcissists with his own self
> interests at heart and will say whatever it takes to get into office.  
> Its almost as if he was a clown they threw in there to ensure that 
> Hillary gets elected. I don't think Hillary would beat any real Republican
though.
>> 
>> So in conclusion after seeing all the evidence of voter fraud, the
> wikileaks material that this entire system is indeed rigged.  This 
> makes me very very sad.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:24:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> Mike
>> I think you need to do your research on Soros if you didnt you really 
>> dont
> have much to say either. Sorry its the truth.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 10/20/16 09:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> People that bring up Soros or the Koch brothers are immediately 
>> punted as
> not having anything worthwhile to say.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:11:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> You all forgot to say the media as been against him and used his 
>> words
> against him so this is why you dont believe what MSM (main street 
> media) spits out from there mouths they are all paid by same people 
> (to create lies). Reason why I say this is because everybody in DC is 
> scared of trump because they know that there career can be gone very 
> soon. Also George Soros where do I even start with him? Basically 
> he came out on video stating that trump will win the election but 
> Killary is a done deal basically what that means Killary will get into the
WH which is very sad.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 10/20/16 09:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> Wow. Gentleman. I watched the whole debate, maybe not as intently as 
>> some,
> but I did watch it. I really didn't see anything to get so upset 
> about.Hillary turned in the performance expected meaning very good 
> demeanor, logical well thought out positions. I don't agree with most 
> of them and evidently "facts" are not what they 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[chuck]

Yes, you want rev C or D.  

Nothing wrong with A & B but something odd is happening with ePMP and POE sync. 
 We know what the POE sync issues is and have solved that.  But ePMP still has 
some goofiness that we have not figured out but the fix for POE sync seems to 
also cure the ePMP problem.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

Definitely not.  These spares are absolutely more than 4 weeks.  Do they have 
the rev written on them?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:30 PM,  wrote:

  Are these ones that I have sent you very recently? (Like in the last 4 
weeks). If not then they don’t have the new rev.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:28 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

  That's the box, yes. 

  I've got new GIGEHV cards to try, just sent a guy out there to swap that out 
and see what happens.  Next step would be the line/radio but it's raining for 
days at this point...


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:16 PM,  wrote:

OK, so it is a card that slides into the 4 position metal box?  
I’ll send you a new one to try.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

Your metal box, indoors.  Tied to the same ground as everything else coming 
in to the building (A LOT).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM,  wrote:

  I have a new rev of the GigE HV products.  Is this plugged into an APC 
rack or is it in an outdoor box?
  The new design calms down goofiness like this on some circuits.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

  No.  Mikrotiks don't do POE sync.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:06 PM,  wrote:

Is it POE sync?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few 
months ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from 10 
meg to 100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging in to 
an rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik is showing 
that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.  Does this mean it 
has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself? 

Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Dan Petermann]

LOL!

I gave up TV years ago, about the only thing I miss is the NHRA races. 
Discovery and the History channel, unless they became a horror show like TLC 
did.


On Oct 20, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We need to go into the TV and rescue you from The Upside Down which is full
> of Angier Things:
> 
> http://boingboing.net/2016/10/19/trumps-angrier-things.html
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> And that is the problem. People continue to think they need to vote for the
> lesser of two evils, never realizing they are still voting for EVIL!
> 
> Vote for anyone but these two idiots. 
> 
> But, but, but.. the other candidate that I hate more will win!
> 
> Big deal, what is more important to you:
> 
> A. The less evil guy is in the White House
> 
> B. Looking yourself in the eye and being proud you didn't take a dump on
> your principles.
> 
> No matter who wins, don't blame me, I'm not voting for either one.
> 
> On Oct 20, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Steve  wrote:
> 
>> Being a well informed Canadian all I can do is look at the United States
> and feel very very sorry for you.  This is the best you have to offer.  You
> are forced into picking the lesser of two evils again and YES both are
> evil... even though one is a little more evil than the other.  
>> 
>> But I would choose to vote for someone who has a history of not killing
> people. There is a trail of lies, deceit and murder behind Hillary and her
> husband that cannot be put back into power. As far as I know Trump has never
> done anything to kill anyone through action or inaction. 
>> 
>> Not to mention if the Russians love Trump so much - wouldn't it be in your
> best interests to have a very good relationship with Russia?  To do
> meaningful business with them?  
>> 
>> I'm just thinking from a historical and a logical perspective.  
>> 
>> Trump is no saint.  I think Trump is a narcissists with his own self
> interests at heart and will say whatever it takes to get into office.  Its
> almost as if he was a clown they threw in there to ensure that Hillary gets
> elected. I don't think Hillary would beat any real Republican though.  
>> 
>> So in conclusion after seeing all the evidence of voter fraud, the
> wikileaks material that this entire system is indeed rigged.  This makes me
> very very sad.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:24:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> Mike
>> I think you need to do your research on Soros if you didnt you really dont
> have much to say either. Sorry its the truth.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 10/20/16 09:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> People that bring up Soros or the Koch brothers are immediately punted as
> not having anything worthwhile to say.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:11:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> You all forgot to say the media as been against him and used his words
> against him so this is why you dont believe what MSM (main street media)
> spits out from there mouths they are all paid by same people (to create
> lies). Reason why I say this is because everybody in DC is scared of trump
> because they know that there career can be gone very soon. Also George Soros
> where do I even start with him? Basically he came out on video stating
> that trump will win the election but Killary is a done deal basically what
> that means Killary will get into the WH which is very sad.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 10/20/16 09:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> Wow. Gentleman. I watched the whole debate, maybe not as intently as some,
> but I did watch it. I really didn't see anything to get so upset
> about.Hillary turned in the performance expected meaning very good demeanor,
> logical well thought out positions. I don't agree with most of them and
> evidently "facts" are not what they used to be. Face it, both these clowns
> couldn't spot a fact if it slapped them with a cold fish.
>> Trump. Well, he turned in a much better performance than the previous
> debates and if there were 5 he might actually come off pretty good by the
> last one. Still submitted to his basic desire to talk about himself and his
> stuff. He had some good points but missed opportunities 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[Josh Luthman]

Definitely not.  These spares are absolutely more than 4 weeks.  Do they
have the rev written on them?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:30 PM,  wrote:

> Are these ones that I have sent you very recently? (Like in the last 4
> weeks). If not then they don’t have the new rev.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg
>
> That's the box, yes.
>
> I've got new GIGEHV cards to try, just sent a guy out there to swap that
> out and see what happens.  Next step would be the line/radio but it's
> raining for days at this point...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:16 PM,  wrote:
>
>> OK, so it is a card that slides into the 4 position metal box?
>> I’ll send you a new one to try.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg
>>
>> Your metal box, indoors.  Tied to the same ground as everything else
>> coming in to the building (A LOT).
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a new rev of the GigE HV products.  Is this plugged into an APC
>>> rack or is it in an outdoor box?
>>> The new design calms down goofiness like this on some circuits.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg
>>>
>>> No.  Mikrotiks don't do POE sync.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:06 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 Is it POE sync?

 *From:* Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:00 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

 I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few
 months ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from
 10 meg to 100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging
 in to an rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik
 is showing that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.
 Does this mean it has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself?

 Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[chuck]

Are these ones that I have sent you very recently? (Like in the last 4 weeks). 
If not then they don’t have the new rev.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

That's the box, yes. 

I've got new GIGEHV cards to try, just sent a guy out there to swap that out 
and see what happens.  Next step would be the line/radio but it's raining for 
days at this point...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:16 PM,  wrote:

  OK, so it is a card that slides into the 4 position metal box?  
  I’ll send you a new one to try.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

  Your metal box, indoors.  Tied to the same ground as everything else coming 
in to the building (A LOT).


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM,  wrote:

I have a new rev of the GigE HV products.  Is this plugged into an APC rack 
or is it in an outdoor box?
The new design calms down goofiness like this on some circuits.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

No.  Mikrotiks don't do POE sync.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:06 PM,  wrote:

  Is it POE sync?

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:00 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

  I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few 
months ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from 10 
meg to 100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging in to 
an rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik is showing 
that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.  Does this mean it 
has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself? 

  Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] CRS with sfp lockup

[TJ Trout]

I have a mikrotik CRS210 with a non-mikrotik sfp which locked up last
night, Not sure if it was the CRS or the sfp...

Anyone encountered this and have a solution?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[Josh Luthman]

That's the box, yes.

I've got new GIGEHV cards to try, just sent a guy out there to swap that
out and see what happens.  Next step would be the line/radio but it's
raining for days at this point...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:16 PM,  wrote:

> OK, so it is a card that slides into the 4 position metal box?
> I’ll send you a new one to try.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg
>
> Your metal box, indoors.  Tied to the same ground as everything else
> coming in to the building (A LOT).
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I have a new rev of the GigE HV products.  Is this plugged into an APC
>> rack or is it in an outdoor box?
>> The new design calms down goofiness like this on some circuits.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg
>>
>> No.  Mikrotiks don't do POE sync.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:06 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Is it POE sync?
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:00 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg
>>>
>>> I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few
>>> months ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from
>>> 10 meg to 100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging
>>> in to an rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik
>>> is showing that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.
>>> Does this mean it has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself?
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Ken Hohhof]

We need to go into the TV and rescue you from The Upside Down which is full
of Angier Things:

http://boingboing.net/2016/10/19/trumps-angrier-things.html


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

And that is the problem. People continue to think they need to vote for the
lesser of two evils, never realizing they are still voting for EVIL!

Vote for anyone but these two idiots. 

But, but, but.. the other candidate that I hate more will win!

Big deal, what is more important to you:

A. The less evil guy is in the White House

B. Looking yourself in the eye and being proud you didn't take a dump on
your principles.

No matter who wins, don't blame me, I'm not voting for either one.

On Oct 20, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Steve  wrote:

> Being a well informed Canadian all I can do is look at the United States
and feel very very sorry for you.  This is the best you have to offer.  You
are forced into picking the lesser of two evils again and YES both are
evil... even though one is a little more evil than the other.  
> 
> But I would choose to vote for someone who has a history of not killing
people. There is a trail of lies, deceit and murder behind Hillary and her
husband that cannot be put back into power. As far as I know Trump has never
done anything to kill anyone through action or inaction. 
> 
> Not to mention if the Russians love Trump so much - wouldn't it be in your
best interests to have a very good relationship with Russia?  To do
meaningful business with them?  
> 
> I'm just thinking from a historical and a logical perspective.  
> 
> Trump is no saint.  I think Trump is a narcissists with his own self
interests at heart and will say whatever it takes to get into office.  Its
almost as if he was a clown they threw in there to ensure that Hillary gets
elected. I don't think Hillary would beat any real Republican though.  
> 
> So in conclusion after seeing all the evidence of voter fraud, the
wikileaks material that this entire system is indeed rigged.  This makes me
very very sad.  
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:24:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> Mike
> I think you need to do your research on Soros if you didnt you really dont
have much to say either. Sorry its the truth.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 10/20/16 09:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> People that bring up Soros or the Koch brothers are immediately punted as
not having anything worthwhile to say.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> You all forgot to say the media as been against him and used his words
against him so this is why you dont believe what MSM (main street media)
spits out from there mouths they are all paid by same people (to create
lies). Reason why I say this is because everybody in DC is scared of trump
because they know that there career can be gone very soon. Also George Soros
where do I even start with him? Basically he came out on video stating
that trump will win the election but Killary is a done deal basically what
that means Killary will get into the WH which is very sad.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 10/20/16 09:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> Wow. Gentleman. I watched the whole debate, maybe not as intently as some,
but I did watch it. I really didn't see anything to get so upset
about.Hillary turned in the performance expected meaning very good demeanor,
logical well thought out positions. I don't agree with most of them and
evidently "facts" are not what they used to be. Face it, both these clowns
couldn't spot a fact if it slapped them with a cold fish.
> Trump. Well, he turned in a much better performance than the previous
debates and if there were 5 he might actually come off pretty good by the
last one. Still submitted to his basic desire to talk about himself and his
stuff. He had some good points but missed opportunities to take Hillary down
a notch by talking about himself. I can't believe he didn't counter the
whole Russian wiki leaks thing with the fact the US pressured to have
Assange shut down after denying it. On the other hand, I don't know anyone
who thought that didn't happen. The US is on record against him already.
> 
> 
> They both are living in some fantasy world where you can say and do
whatever you want and it all 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Dan Petermann]

And that is the problem. People continue to think they need to vote for the 
lesser of two evils, never realizing they are still voting for EVIL!

Vote for anyone but these two idiots. 

But, but, but…… the other candidate that I hate more will win!

Big deal, what is more important to you:

A. The less evil guy is in the White House

B. Looking yourself in the eye and being proud you didn’t take a dump on your 
principles.

No matter who wins, don’t blame me, I’m not voting for either one.

On Oct 20, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Steve  wrote:

> Being a well informed Canadian all I can do is look at the United States and 
> feel very very sorry for you.  This is the best you have to offer.  You are 
> forced into picking the lesser of two evils again and YES both are evil... 
> even though one is a little more evil than the other.  
> 
> But I would choose to vote for someone who has a history of not killing 
> people. There is a trail of lies, deceit and murder behind Hillary and her 
> husband that cannot be put back into power. As far as I know Trump has never 
> done anything to kill anyone through action or inaction. 
> 
> Not to mention if the Russians love Trump so much - wouldn't it be in your 
> best interests to have a very good relationship with Russia?  To do 
> meaningful business with them?  
> 
> I'm just thinking from a historical and a logical perspective.  
> 
> Trump is no saint.  I think Trump is a narcissists with his own self 
> interests at heart and will say whatever it takes to get into office.  Its 
> almost as if he was a clown they threw in there to ensure that Hillary gets 
> elected. I don't think Hillary would beat any real Republican though.  
> 
> So in conclusion after seeing all the evidence of voter fraud, the wikileaks 
> material that this entire system is indeed rigged.  This makes me very very 
> sad.  
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:24:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> Mike 
> I think you need to do your research on Soros if you didnt you really dont 
> have much to say either. Sorry its the truth.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 10/20/16 09:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> People that bring up Soros or the Koch brothers are immediately punted as not 
> having anything worthwhile to say.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> You all forgot to say the media as been against him and used his words 
> against him so this is why you dont believe what MSM (main street media) 
> spits out from there mouths they are all paid by same people (to create 
> lies). Reason why I say this is because everybody in DC is scared of trump 
> because they know that there career can be gone very soon. Also George Soros 
> where do I even start with him? Basically he came out on video stating 
> that trump will win the election but Killary is a done deal basically what 
> that means Killary will get into the WH which is very sad.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 10/20/16 09:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> Wow. Gentleman. I watched the whole debate, maybe not as intently as some, 
> but I did watch it. I really didn't see anything to get so upset 
> about.Hillary turned in the performance expected meaning very good demeanor, 
> logical well thought out positions. I don't agree with most of them and 
> evidently "facts" are not what they used to be. Face it, both these clowns 
> couldn't spot a fact if it slapped them with a cold fish.
> Trump. Well, he turned in a much better performance than the previous debates 
> and if there were 5 he might actually come off pretty good by the last one. 
> Still submitted to his basic desire to talk about himself and his stuff. He 
> had some good points but missed opportunities to take Hillary down a notch by 
> talking about himself. I can't believe he didn't counter the whole Russian 
> wiki leaks thing with the fact the US pressured to have Assange shut down 
> after denying it. On the other hand, I don't know anyone who thought that 
> didn't happen. The US is on record against him already.
> 
> 
> They both are living in some fantasy world where you can say and do whatever 
> you want and it all balances out in the end. Free college? Yea no problem, 
> costs nothing. Double the size of the military? Why not, growth covers 
> everything. National debt? Yea we reduced it. What? Its twice what it was 8 
> years ago? No it went 

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[Rick Harnish]

NOVA R9 3.5GHZ 1W (BAND 42/43)


  
https://na.baicells.com/products/base-stations/

 

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] baicells

 

What size base station?

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On Oct 20, 2016, at 1:39 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:

The one eNB we have up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case test site. We 
have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75 foot cable TV tower, so 
it's not even above the trees. But we're getting customers off of 900 which is 
the most important thing. Getting 30Mbps to a customer that could get only 
1Mbps before is an improvement to say the least. I didn't think it'd be viable 
given the height limitation and tree density, but it's working rather well. 
We're going to swap out the MTI antenna for a KP and see what we get.

On 10/20/2016 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Heard from one of our customers today.� He has deployed baicells and it is 
doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.� He is in pine tree country.� 

 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[chuck]

OK, so it is a card that slides into the 4 position metal box?  
I’ll send you a new one to try.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

Your metal box, indoors.  Tied to the same ground as everything else coming in 
to the building (A LOT).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM,  wrote:

  I have a new rev of the GigE HV products.  Is this plugged into an APC rack 
or is it in an outdoor box?
  The new design calms down goofiness like this on some circuits.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

  No.  Mikrotiks don't do POE sync.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:06 PM,  wrote:

Is it POE sync?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few months 
ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from 10 meg to 
100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging in to an 
rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik is showing 
that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.  Does this mean it 
has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself? 

Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[Josh Luthman]

Your metal box, indoors.  Tied to the same ground as everything else coming
in to the building (A LOT).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM,  wrote:

> I have a new rev of the GigE HV products.  Is this plugged into an APC
> rack or is it in an outdoor box?
> The new design calms down goofiness like this on some circuits.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg
>
> No.  Mikrotiks don't do POE sync.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:06 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Is it POE sync?
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:00 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg
>>
>> I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few
>> months ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from
>> 10 meg to 100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging
>> in to an rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik
>> is showing that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.
>> Does this mean it has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself?
>>
>> Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Dan Petermann]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mutt

Full Definition of mutt
1
:  a stupid or insignificant person :  fool
2
:  a mongrel dog :  cur







Whether or not that applies is up to the individual.

That is mild compared to the past:

John Adams supporters speaking of his former VP Thomas Jefferson: "hideous 
hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, 
nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.”

Jefferson supporters speaking of Adams: "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the 
son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father.”

Thomas Jefferson speaking of George Washington: "a Samson who had allowed 
himself to be shorn by the harlot, England.”

Journalist James Thomson Callender, offering a toast at a public dinner "to the 
speedy death of President Washington.”

Journalists sneeringly called President James Madison "Little Jemmy" and openly 
speculated that he persuaded Congress to do his bidding by granting access to 
his buxom wife, Dolley.

Aaron Burr, Jefferson’s vice president, said President James Monroe was so 
dimwitted, in his days as a lawyer he had never won a case that paid more than 
$5.00.

President Franklin Pierce attacked Lincoln as a war monger and would-be 
dictator, calling one of his early decisions "an idle, foolish, ill-advised, if 
not criminal thing."

New Jersey Democrats fastened on Abe  the nickname "the brainless bob-o-link of 
the prairies.”

President Kennedy speaking of Nixon: "a filthy lying son of a bitch and a very 
dangerous man.”

President Johnson speaking of President Ford: "Jerry spent too much time 
playing football without a helmet.”


What I find particularly entertaining is how many people think any president 
actually gives a crap. They will do what they want, when they want all the 
while giving us the finger and masturbating their ego. Resident not President 
should be their title.  It is congress who actually makes law. (well they used 
to be before the supreme court and executive actions) Take a look at which 
corporations and which people donate the most money to the congress critters 
and you know who is running the country. Unfortunately for us, the people who 
can change the laws to prevent the above are the very ones receiving the 
largess. 



On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:12 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> The first time I ignored it.
> 
> The second time I did a double take and though "did he really just call the 
> President of the United States a MUTT?"!?
> 
> As an American citizen, I'm ashamed of that and I didn't even say it. As a 
> combat veteran, that was my Commander-In-Chief - saying that in uniform, 
> regardless of the man or woman in office would get you court martialed and 
> kicked out of the military with a dishonorable discharge... Forever ruining 
> you chances at decent employment, amongst many other things.
> 
> Like him or not, shame on you. That's as unAmerican a phrase as I can think 
> of, and lacks basic human decency.
> 
> 
> On Oct 19, 2016 10:32 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
> wrote:
> Rats run, the "establishment" is full of rats, so are swamps. Military 
> personnel captured bin laden, the mutt in the whitehouse was playing spades, 
> he didnt capture anybody, he didnt collect intelligence, he didnt build any 
> of the infrastructure used to gather intel, he didnt build the operative 
> system that was in play that led to the ability of our military personel to 
> capture him. good job to him though for taking time out of his card game to 
> give the go ahead.
> 
> Have you not listened to a word he said, crime and drugs are the biggest 
> issues he talks about coming over the border. Hes been very clear, lock down 
> the border, get those here illegally out (i dont agree with this directly, 
> and i dont suspect he will "break up families") once its secure, refocus 
> resources on the completely fucked system that caused a 7 year process, 
> streamline it so these people who didnt want to do the work to come in right 
> the first time can get back in line, and maybe they wont have to wait as long.
> 
> you think mexicans are the old bags priority? shit. they dont have any money, 
> theyll be put out anyway at the end of the day by her, the money is in the 
> ones that come from the sand 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
> You called our president a mutt?  Real patriot... Who the fuck got Bin Laden? 
>   I have the balls to admit Hillary is not perfect... But Trump is a fucking 
> idiot... When have you seen so many Republicans distance themselves from 
> their nominee, even vote for other candidate?   He doesn't know shit about 
> the border and our problems... Drugs are the main problem not poor people who 
> take the shit jobs you guys don't want to do..  No matter the pay... Only 
> farmers and ranchers born into it work as hard in heat and tough 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[chuck]

I have a new rev of the GigE HV products.  Is this plugged into an APC rack or 
is it in an outdoor box?
The new design calms down goofiness like this on some circuits.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

No.  Mikrotiks don't do POE sync.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:06 PM,  wrote:

  Is it POE sync?

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:00 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

  I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few months 
ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from 10 meg to 
100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging in to an 
rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik is showing 
that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.  Does this mean it 
has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself? 

  Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[Josh Luthman]

No.  Mikrotiks don't do POE sync.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:06 PM,  wrote:

> Is it POE sync?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg
>
> I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few
> months ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from
> 10 meg to 100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging
> in to an rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik
> is showing that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.
> Does this mean it has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself?
>
> Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

[George Skorup]

We replaced our old servers with new SuperMicro's with built in KVM over 
the IPMI management interface. Works well. No more monitor and KB in the 
rack.


On 10/20/2016 1:05 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


Why does VMs absolve you from using a KVM?  If I want to access the 
box before boot….


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

It's what they used before virtual machines ;)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


O sorry. Brainfart. :(

I haven't used a KVM in forever.

On Oct 20, 2016 12:11 PM, "Josh Luthman"
>
wrote:

I think all of their stuff is for serial ports and not KVM.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

www.get-console.com 

On Oct 20, 2016 10:31 AM, "Paul McCall" > wrote:

Any recommendations for a decent USB based KVM ?

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[chuck]

Is it POE sync?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few months 
ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from 10 meg to 
100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging in to an 
rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik is showing 
that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.  Does this mean it 
has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself? 

Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

[Josh Luthman]

Usually you use a smart set of hardware with something like ILO.

Then of course the guests you have it with the VM manager.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Why does VMs absolve you from using a KVM?  If I want to access the box
> before boot….
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM
>
>
>
> It's what they used before virtual machines ;)
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> O sorry. Brainfart. :(
>
> I haven't used a KVM in forever.
>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2016 12:11 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> I think all of their stuff is for serial ports and not KVM.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> www.get-console.com
>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2016 10:31 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Any recommendations for a decent USB based KVM ?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

[Paul McCall]

Why does VMs absolve you from using a KVM?  If I want to access the box before 
boot….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

It's what they used before virtual machines ;)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:

O sorry. Brainfart. :(

I haven't used a KVM in forever.

On Oct 20, 2016 12:11 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
I think all of their stuff is for serial ports and not KVM.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:

www.get-console.com

On Oct 20, 2016 10:31 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Any recommendations for a decent USB based KVM ?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yep, once trump paid up, the well went dry, time to dig a new well with the
tabloids.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:01 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Sounds like instead of that guy simply changing his opinion of Trump, he
> got all butt hurt about the book deal or something. It's always about the
> money.
>
> On 10/20/2016 10:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Good lines from the interview:
>
> If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be
> a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call
> it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”
>
> “I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I
> contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention
> and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe
> that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent
> possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>
>
> If anyone is curious about DT's "attention to detail", or what he does or
> doesn't read, they should read this article about the guy that actually
> wrote "The Art of the Deal" (Tony Schwartz):
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-
> trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/20/2016 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> This goes beyond empty campaign promises.  This goes to deep personal
> character flaws.
>
> When evaluating people for personality disorders, one of the flags are
> self serving statements that are almost logically impossible to be
> literally true such as:
> I always read the paper, I always go to church, I always take out the
> trash.
>
> A normal person says I "almost" always read the paper or something
> similar.
> If we are down with the flu we don't go to church or take out the trash.
>
> Trump brags about not reading.
> Then has the audacity to claim that "Nobody reads the bible more than me".
> I'll wager he has never read the bible.  Or any other significant work of
> literature or history.
>
> Those claims are logically false, literally impossible.  They insult the
> intelligence of the listener.
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:25 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>
> Come on Chuck... we all know this is politics. The candidates say
> whatever they think they can get away with, in order to get a vote. Then
> after they win, they don't have to do any of the things they said they
> would do.
>
> I'd love to see a system where if a candidate makes a promise, wins the
> election, and then doesn't follow through, that they are held
> accountable (in some way). Right now it's all just words (from both
> sides)... saying and doing whatever they can or want to, in order to try
> and win.
>
> Obama did the same thing. "Politics" is the polite word for "liar". :)
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 10/20/2016 9:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I don’t have an issue with some of the positions of Trump, I even agree
> with some of them.  I am a conservative but more centrist libertarian.  I
> fall square to the right on issues of gun control and abortion. Everything
> else I try to square with my own personal philosophy and world views.  I do
> in-fact read the Bible.  I try to be like like the main character of the
> New Testament.  I fail constantly - but I keep trying.
>
> I think the guy is psychologically unhinged.
>
> For example he has said:
> “Nobody reads the bible more than me”
> "My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are
> various other parts of my body."
> "I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that
> I'm more honest and my women are beautiful."
> “No one is more conservative than me.”
> “No one is stronger on the Second Amendment than me.”
> “No one respects women more than me. No one reads the Bible more than me.”
> “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.”
> “There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.”
> “There’s nobody who feels more strongly about women’s health issues.”
> “Nobody knows more about taxes than me, maybe in the history of the
> world.”
> “I have studied the Iran deal in great detail, greater by far than anyone
> else.”
> “Nobody’s ever been more successful than me.”
> “Nobody knows banking better than I do.”
> “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.”
> “Nobody’s bigger or better at the military I am.”
> “I am the least racist person you’ll ever meet.”
> “Nobody knows the system better than me.”
> “Nobody knows politicians better than me.”
> “Nobody builds better walls than me.”
> “Nobody knows more about trade than me.”
>
>
> Symptoms of Meglomaina include:
> Delusional belief of superiority
> Delusions of greatness
> Delusions about one's own power
> Delusions about one's own 

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[chuck]

Now don’t be dissing dowsing...  I have made many believers.  One 
subdivision/industrial park I developed had a 100 year old underground aqueduct 
that feeds RioTinto’s copper mill running through it.  Critical infrastructure 
for Rio Tinto but they cannot find it if called for a locate.  They just say it 
is out in that field and we better not hit it.  

I used my favorite type of brass rods and found it, found the center of it (it 
is about 4’ wide and 6 feet deep concrete rectangular ditch with an arched 
top).  When we used the vacuum excavator, my mark was top dead center.  I 
marked it at about a half dozen locations and was always spot on.

I have no clue how it works but I have always had great success with it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] baicells

Kudos to you guys who even get 900 MHz to work.

 

I think we walk away from about 50% of the 900 MHz installs we go to.  If we 
can’t find a spot where we get an actual peak while aligning the antenna, but 
rather just the same weak signal everywhere we point the antenna, we know that 
we’re just picking up scattered signal off the trees and it’s not going to be 
fast or reliable, even if it does actually register and pass data.  We 
definitely have RTK and smartgrid interference in 900 MHz, but my theory is 
when we are just getting a scattered signal from our AP, we are also getting 
scattered signal from other 900 MHz WISPs in the area and can’t aim the antenna 
to differentiate between the APs at different azimuths.  And GPS timing does 
not help when an SM is seeing several APs.  OK, just my theory.  Maybe since we 
mostly do LOS we don’t understand the NLOS magic tricks, like maybe we need to 
be sacrificing livestock at every install or chanting magic incantations.  Or 
maybe like dousing for water, you need to be a true believer.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] baicells

 

The one eNB we have up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case test site. We 
have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75 foot cable TV tower, so 
it's not even above the trees. But we're getting customers off of 900 which is 
the most important thing. Getting 30Mbps to a customer that could get only 
1Mbps before is an improvement to say the least. I didn't think it'd be viable 
given the height limitation and tree density, but it's working rather well. 
We're going to swap out the MTI antenna for a KP and see what we get.

On 10/20/2016 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Heard from one of our customers today.� He has deployed baicells and it is 
doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.� He is in pine tree country.� 

 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[George Skorup]

Sounds like instead of that guy simply changing his opinion of Trump, he 
got all butt hurt about the book deal or something. It's always about 
the money.


On 10/20/2016 10:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Good lines from the interview:
If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it 
would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what 
he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”
“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse 
that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider 
attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I 
genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there 
is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

If anyone is curious about DT's "attention to detail", or what he does 
or doesn't read, they should read this article about the guy that 
actually wrote "The Art of the Deal" (Tony Schwartz):



http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

bp


On 10/20/2016 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
This goes beyond empty campaign promises. This goes to deep personal 
character flaws.


When evaluating people for personality disorders, one of the flags 
are self serving statements that are almost logically impossible to 
be literally true such as:
I always read the paper, I always go to church, I always take out the 
trash.


A normal person says I "almost" always read the paper or something 
similar.

If we are down with the flu we don't go to church or take out the trash.

Trump brags about not reading.
Then has the audacity to claim that "Nobody reads the bible more than 
me".
I'll wager he has never read the bible.  Or any other significant 
work of literature or history.


Those claims are logically false, literally impossible. They insult 
the intelligence of the listener.




-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

Come on Chuck... we all know this is politics. The candidates say
whatever they think they can get away with, in order to get a vote. Then
after they win, they don't have to do any of the things they said they
would do.

I'd love to see a system where if a candidate makes a promise, wins the
election, and then doesn't follow through, that they are held
accountable (in some way). Right now it's all just words (from both
sides)... saying and doing whatever they can or want to, in order to try
and win.

Obama did the same thing. "Politics" is the polite word for "liar". :)

Travis


On 10/20/2016 9:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I don’t have an issue with some of the positions of Trump, I even 
agree with some of them. I am a conservative but more centrist 
libertarian.  I fall square to the right on issues of gun control 
and abortion. Everything else I try to square with my own personal 
philosophy and world views.  I do in-fact read the Bible.  I try to 
be like like the main character of the New Testament.  I fail 
constantly - but I keep trying.


I think the guy is psychologically unhinged.

For example he has said:
“Nobody reads the bible more than me”
"My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, 
are various other parts of my body."
"I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is 
that I'm more honest and my women are beautiful."

“No one is more conservative than me.”
“No one is stronger on the Second Amendment than me.”
“No one respects women more than me. No one reads the Bible more 
than me.”

“There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.”
“There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.”
“There’s nobody who feels more strongly about women’s health issues.”
“Nobody knows more about taxes than me, maybe in the history of the  
world.”
“I have studied the Iran deal in great detail, greater by far than 
anyone else.”

“Nobody’s ever been more successful than me.”
“Nobody knows banking better than I do.”
“Nobody knows more about debt than I do.”
“Nobody’s bigger or better at the military I am.”
“I am the least racist person you’ll ever meet.”
“Nobody knows the system better than me.”
“Nobody knows politicians better than me.”
“Nobody builds better walls than me.”
“Nobody knows more about trade than me.”


Symptoms of Meglomaina include:
Delusional belief of superiority
Delusions of greatness
Delusions about one's own power
Delusions about one's own importance

In brief: Delusions
This term would most closely correlate to the dsm-iv delusional 
disorder, in which the individual holds unrealistic beliefs of 
inflated worth, power, knowledge, identity, or special relationship 
to a deity or famous person

Source: HealthTap, https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/265257


Now if all of you had 

[AFMUG] ePMP Sync AP only doing 10 meg

[Josh Luthman]

I have an AP that we put up last year.  It ran just fine until a few months
ago.  About once a week I could simply reboot and it would go from 10 meg
to 100.  Now for the last day or two it's stuck at 10 meg.  Plugging in to
an rb2011 and WB GIGE HV card.  The weird thing is that the Mikrotik is
showing that the link partner is only advertising 10full or 10half.  Does
this mean it has to be the line/SS card or can it be the radio itself?

Has anyone seen this kind of behavior before?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[Jon Langeler]

What size base station?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 20, 2016, at 1:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> The one eNB we have up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case test site. 
> We have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75 foot cable TV tower, 
> so it's not even above the trees. But we're getting customers off of 900 
> which is the most important thing. Getting 30Mbps to a customer that could 
> get only 1Mbps before is an improvement to say the least. I didn't think it'd 
> be viable given the height limitation and tree density, but it's working 
> rather well. We're going to swap out the MTI antenna for a KP and see what we 
> get.
> 
>> On 10/20/2016 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Heard from one of our customers today.� He has deployed baicells and it is 
>> doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.� He is in pine tree country.�
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[Bill Prince]

Fun things have happened a few times: 
http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_curiosities.php


bp


On 10/20/2016 10:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Hmmm, electoral mutiny.  I like the sound of that.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:41 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
On the other hand, I think only about half of the states actually bind 
their electors to vote for the candidate that won that state. So in 
theory, we just need to get a few rogue electors to vote for Chuck, 
and it'll all work out fine...

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Scratch that. Only Maine (4 votes), and Nebraska (5 votes) award
electoral votes by proportion. That means that someone would have
to get more than half of 25% or 20% respectively (or however those
states divide the proportions).

bp


On 10/20/2016 10:24 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Although... Aren't there a handful of states that give electoral
votes by proportion of the popular vote? That could theoretically
add a few votes to Johnson and/or Stein.

bp


On 10/20/2016 10:22 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Good point. While McMullin might be able to win Utah (and get
those 6 votes), the likelihood of Johnson or Stein getting even
one electoral vote seem pretty remote.

bp


On 10/20/2016 10:08 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I don't think so. As far as I know, McMullin is the only one
other than Clinton and Trump with any real chance at getting
any electoral votes - Johnson and Stein will likely both get a
much higher percentage of the popular vote than McMullin, but I
don't think either of them is anywhere close to winning a state
in the polls.

But Like Chuck said, it's really all academic. The possibility
of Clinton and Trump both losing a majority by less than six
electoral votes is pretty remote.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Bill Prince
 wrote:

That would be a really slight chance. Among the candidates
running, I would rank their respective (probable) electoral
votes at (1) Clinton, (2) Trump, (3) Johnson, (4) Stein,
(5) McMullin.

bp


On 10/20/2016 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If I understand the system right, if there's no majority,
congress has to pick from the candidates with the top
three most electoral votes (and there would only be three
in that scenario)
... my guess is that, in that case (depending on what the
new congress looks like), there would be a pretty good
chance of ending up with Hillary anyway, but there would
be a slight chance they'd all compromise on McMullin.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Adam Moffett
 wrote:

We have a republican majority in Congress, but the
republican party politicians don't like Trump.  I'm
sure they would pick somebody less crazy than Trump.
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:54:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah


If anyone thinks our Congress is capable of making a
non-crazy altrnative, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

bp


On 10/20/2016 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Nobody having a majority is my favorite scenario,
and for awhile I thought it would happen.
Unfortunately I think Clinton will win by a
landslide because people are stuck in this mentality
where we have to pick a winning horse rather than
voting for what we really want.  It can still work
out if Trump can rally a little bit and get back to
being tied with Clinton.  Then we can have a split,
no majority for anyone, and Congress can pick a
non-awful president.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:41:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

I think he has more presidential qualifications
than Trump does.
And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary
then the House of Representatives get to pick the
president.
And I doubt they will pick Trump.  So in that
respect, Utah is saving the nation...
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[Ken Hohhof]

Kudos to you guys who even get 900 MHz to work.

 

I think we walk away from about 50% of the 900 MHz installs we go to.  If we
can’t find a spot where we get an actual peak while aligning the antenna,
but rather just the same weak signal everywhere we point the antenna, we
know that we’re just picking up scattered signal off the trees and it’s not
going to be fast or reliable, even if it does actually register and pass
data.  We definitely have RTK and smartgrid interference in 900 MHz, but my
theory is when we are just getting a scattered signal from our AP, we are
also getting scattered signal from other 900 MHz WISPs in the area and can’t
aim the antenna to differentiate between the APs at different azimuths.  And
GPS timing does not help when an SM is seeing several APs.  OK, just my
theory.  Maybe since we mostly do LOS we don’t understand the NLOS magic
tricks, like maybe we need to be sacrificing livestock at every install or
chanting magic incantations.  Or maybe like dousing for water, you need to
be a true believer.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] baicells

 

The one eNB we have up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case test site.
We have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75 foot cable TV tower,
so it's not even above the trees. But we're getting customers off of 900
which is the most important thing. Getting 30Mbps to a customer that could
get only 1Mbps before is an improvement to say the least. I didn't think
it'd be viable given the height limitation and tree density, but it's
working rather well. We're going to swap out the MTI antenna for a KP and
see what we get.

On 10/20/2016 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Heard from one of our customers today.� He has deployed baicells and it is
doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.� He is in pine tree country.� 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[chuck]

Hmmm, electoral mutiny.  I like the sound of that.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:41 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

On the other hand, I think only about half of the states actually bind their 
electors to vote for the candidate that won that state. So in theory, we just 
need to get a few rogue electors to vote for Chuck, and it'll all work out 
fine...


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Scratch that. Only Maine (4 votes), and Nebraska (5 votes) award electoral 
votes by proportion. That means that someone would have to get more than half 
of 25% or 20% respectively (or however those states divide the proportions).



bp


On 10/20/2016 10:24 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Although... Aren't there a handful of states that give electoral votes by 
proportion of the popular vote? That could theoretically add a few votes to 
Johnson and/or Stein.



bp


On 10/20/2016 10:22 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

  Good point. While McMullin might be able to win Utah (and get those 6 
votes), the likelihood of Johnson or Stein getting even one electoral vote seem 
pretty remote.



bp


On 10/20/2016 10:08 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I don't think so. As far as I know, McMullin is the only one other than 
Clinton and Trump with any real chance at getting any electoral votes - Johnson 
and Stein will likely both get a much higher percentage of the popular vote 
than McMullin, but I don't think either of them is anywhere close to winning a 
state in the polls. 


But Like Chuck said, it's really all academic. The possibility of 
Clinton and Trump both losing a majority by less than six electoral votes is 
pretty remote.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Bill Prince  
wrote:

  That would be a really slight chance. Among the candidates running, I 
would rank their respective (probable) electoral votes at (1) Clinton, (2) 
Trump, (3) Johnson, (4) Stein, (5) McMullin.


bp


On 10/20/2016 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If I understand the system right, if there's no majority, congress 
has to pick from the candidates with the top three most electoral votes (and 
there would only be three in that scenario)

... my guess is that, in that case (depending on what the new 
congress looks like), there would be a pretty good chance of ending up with 
Hillary anyway, but there would be a slight chance they'd all compromise on 
McMullin.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

  We have a republican majority in Congress, but the republican 
party politicians don't like Trump.  I'm sure they would pick somebody less 
crazy than Trump.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Bill Prince" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 10/20/2016 11:54:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

If anyone thinks our Congress is capable of making a non-crazy 
altrnative, I have a bridge I want to sell you.



bp


On 10/20/2016 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  Nobody having a majority is my favorite scenario, and for 
awhile I thought it would happen.  Unfortunately I think Clinton will win by a 
landslide because people are stuck in this mentality where we have to pick a 
winning horse rather than voting for what we really want.  It can still work 
out if Trump can rally a little bit and get back to being tied with Clinton.  
Then we can have a split, no majority for anyone, and Congress can pick a 
non-awful president.


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 10/20/2016 11:41:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

I think he has more presidential qualifications than Trump 
does.  
And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary then the 
House of Representatives get to pick the president.
And I doubt they will pick Trump.  So in that respect, Utah 
is saving the nation...

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

Utah doesn't have enough bad marks already?? Now they will 
vote for a nobody, and truly look like they are crazy. LOL

Travis



On 10/20/2016 9:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Evan McMullin, the Provo-born independent, has seized his 
first lead in Utah’s fluid presidential race.

  The Emerson College poll, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[Mathew Howard]

On the other hand, I think only about half of the states actually bind
their electors to vote for the candidate that won that state. So in theory,
we just need to get a few rogue electors to vote for Chuck, and it'll all
work out fine...

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Scratch that. Only Maine (4 votes), and Nebraska (5 votes) award electoral
> votes by proportion. That means that someone would have to get more than
> half of 25% or 20% respectively (or however those states divide the
> proportions).
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/20/2016 10:24 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Although... Aren't there a handful of states that give electoral votes by
> proportion of the popular vote? That could theoretically add a few votes to
> Johnson and/or Stein.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/20/2016 10:22 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Good point. While McMullin might be able to win Utah (and get those 6
> votes), the likelihood of Johnson or Stein getting even one electoral vote
> seem pretty remote.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/20/2016 10:08 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> I don't think so. As far as I know, McMullin is the only one other than
> Clinton and Trump with any real chance at getting any electoral votes -
> Johnson and Stein will likely both get a much higher percentage of the
> popular vote than McMullin, but I don't think either of them is anywhere
> close to winning a state in the polls.
>
> But Like Chuck said, it's really all academic. The possibility of Clinton
> and Trump both losing a majority by less than six electoral votes is pretty
> remote.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> That would be a really slight chance. Among the candidates running, I
>> would rank their respective (probable) electoral votes at (1) Clinton, (2)
>> Trump, (3) Johnson, (4) Stein, (5) McMullin.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2016 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> If I understand the system right, if there's no majority, congress has to
>> pick from the candidates with the top three most electoral votes (and there
>> would only be three in that scenario)
>> ... my guess is that, in that case (depending on what the new congress
>> looks like), there would be a pretty good chance of ending up with Hillary
>> anyway, but there would be a slight chance they'd all compromise on
>> McMullin.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have a republican majority in Congress, but the republican party
>>> politicians don't like Trump.  I'm sure they would pick somebody less crazy
>>> than Trump.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Bill Prince" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 10/20/2016 11:54:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone thinks our Congress is capable of making a non-crazy
>>> altrnative, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/20/2016 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody having a majority is my favorite scenario, and for awhile I
>>> thought it would happen.  Unfortunately I think Clinton will win by a
>>> landslide because people are stuck in this mentality where we have to pick
>>> a winning horse rather than voting for what we really want.  It can still
>>> work out if Trump can rally a little bit and get back to being tied with
>>> Clinton.  Then we can have a split, no majority for anyone, and Congress
>>> can pick a non-awful president.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 10/20/2016 11:41:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>>
>>>
>>> I think he has more presidential qualifications than Trump does.
>>> And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary then the House of
>>> Representatives get to pick the president.
>>> And I doubt they will pick Trump.  So in that respect, Utah is saving
>>> the nation...
>>>
>>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>>
>>> Utah doesn't have enough bad marks already?? Now they will vote for a
>>> nobody, and truly look like they are crazy. LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/20/2016 9:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Evan McMullin, the Provo-born independent, has seized his first lead in
>>> Utah’s fluid presidential race.
>>>
>>> The Emerson College poll, released Wednesday, found McMullin with 31
>>> percent, followed by Republican Donald Trump at 27 percent and Democrat
>>> Hillary Clinton at 24 percent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] baicells

[George Skorup]

The one eNB we have up is doing pretty good. It's our worst case test 
site. We have a LOT of customers on 900 FSK. Old abandoned 75 foot cable 
TV tower, so it's not even above the trees. But we're getting customers 
off of 900 which is the most important thing. Getting 30Mbps to a 
customer that could get only 1Mbps before is an improvement to say the 
least. I didn't think it'd be viable given the height limitation and 
tree density, but it's working rather well. We're going to swap out the 
MTI antenna for a KP and see what we get.


On 10/20/2016 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Heard from one of our customers today.  He has deployed baicells and 
it is doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.  He is in pine tree country.

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[Bill Prince]

Scratch that. Only Maine (4 votes), and Nebraska (5 votes) award 
electoral votes by proportion. That means that someone would have to get 
more than half of 25% or 20% respectively (or however those states 
divide the proportions).



bp


On 10/20/2016 10:24 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Although... Aren't there a handful of states that give electoral votes 
by proportion of the popular vote? That could theoretically add a few 
votes to Johnson and/or Stein.



bp


On 10/20/2016 10:22 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Good point. While McMullin might be able to win Utah (and get those 6 
votes), the likelihood of Johnson or Stein getting even one electoral 
vote seem pretty remote.



bp


On 10/20/2016 10:08 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I don't think so. As far as I know, McMullin is the only one other 
than Clinton and Trump with any real chance at getting any electoral 
votes - Johnson and Stein will likely both get a much higher 
percentage of the popular vote than McMullin, but I don't think 
either of them is anywhere close to winning a state in the polls.


But Like Chuck said, it's really all academic. The possibility of 
Clinton and Trump both losing a majority by less than six electoral 
votes is pretty remote.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


That would be a really slight chance. Among the candidates
running, I would rank their respective (probable) electoral
votes at (1) Clinton, (2) Trump, (3) Johnson, (4) Stein, (5)
McMullin.

bp


On 10/20/2016 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If I understand the system right, if there's no majority,
congress has to pick from the candidates with the top three
most electoral votes (and there would only be three in that
scenario)
... my guess is that, in that case (depending on what the new
congress looks like), there would be a pretty good chance of
ending up with Hillary anyway, but there would be a slight
chance they'd all compromise on McMullin.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

We have a republican majority in Congress, but the
republican party politicians don't like Trump.  I'm sure
they would pick somebody less crazy than Trump.
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:54:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah


If anyone thinks our Congress is capable of making a
non-crazy altrnative, I have a bridge I want to sell you.


bp


On 10/20/2016 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Nobody having a majority is my favorite scenario, and for
awhile I thought it would happen.  Unfortunately I
think Clinton will win by a landslide because people are
stuck in this mentality where we have to pick a winning
horse rather than voting for what we really want.  It can
still work out if Trump can rally a little bit and get
back to being tied with Clinton.  Then we can have a
split, no majority for anyone, and Congress can pick a
non-awful president.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:41:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

I think he has more presidential qualifications than
Trump does.
And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary then
the House of Representatives get to pick the president.
And I doubt they will pick Trump.  So in that respect,
Utah is saving the nation...
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
Utah doesn't have enough bad marks already?? Now they
will vote for a nobody, and truly look like they are
crazy. LOL

Travis


On 10/20/2016 9:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


Evan McMullin, the Provo-born independent, has seized
his first lead in Utah’s fluid presidential race.

The Emerson College poll, released Wednesday, found
McMullin with 31 percent, followed by Republican Donald
Trump at 27 percent and Democrat Hillary Clinton at 24
percent.

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[Bill Prince]

Although... Aren't there a handful of states that give electoral votes 
by proportion of the popular vote? That could theoretically add a few 
votes to Johnson and/or Stein.



bp


On 10/20/2016 10:22 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Good point. While McMullin might be able to win Utah (and get those 6 
votes), the likelihood of Johnson or Stein getting even one electoral 
vote seem pretty remote.



bp


On 10/20/2016 10:08 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I don't think so. As far as I know, McMullin is the only one other 
than Clinton and Trump with any real chance at getting any electoral 
votes - Johnson and Stein will likely both get a much higher 
percentage of the popular vote than McMullin, but I don't think 
either of them is anywhere close to winning a state in the polls.


But Like Chuck said, it's really all academic. The possibility of 
Clinton and Trump both losing a majority by less than six electoral 
votes is pretty remote.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


That would be a really slight chance. Among the candidates
running, I would rank their respective (probable) electoral votes
at (1) Clinton, (2) Trump, (3) Johnson, (4) Stein, (5) McMullin.

bp


On 10/20/2016 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If I understand the system right, if there's no majority,
congress has to pick from the candidates with the top three most
electoral votes (and there would only be three in that scenario)
... my guess is that, in that case (depending on what the new
congress looks like), there would be a pretty good chance of
ending up with Hillary anyway, but there would be a slight
chance they'd all compromise on McMullin.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

We have a republican majority in Congress, but the
republican party politicians don't like Trump.  I'm sure
they would pick somebody less crazy than Trump.
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:54:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah


If anyone thinks our Congress is capable of making a
non-crazy altrnative, I have a bridge I want to sell you.


bp


On 10/20/2016 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Nobody having a majority is my favorite scenario, and for
awhile I thought it would happen.  Unfortunately I
think Clinton will win by a landslide because people are
stuck in this mentality where we have to pick a winning
horse rather than voting for what we really want.  It can
still work out if Trump can rally a little bit and get
back to being tied with Clinton.  Then we can have a
split, no majority for anyone, and Congress can pick a
non-awful president.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:41:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

I think he has more presidential qualifications than
Trump does.
And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary then
the House of Representatives get to pick the president.
And I doubt they will pick Trump.  So in that respect,
Utah is saving the nation...
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
Utah doesn't have enough bad marks already?? Now they
will vote for a nobody, and truly look like they are
crazy. LOL

Travis


On 10/20/2016 9:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


Evan McMullin, the Provo-born independent, has seized
his first lead in Utah’s fluid presidential race.

The Emerson College poll, released Wednesday, found
McMullin with 31 percent, followed by Republican Donald
Trump at 27 percent and Democrat Hillary Clinton at 24
percent.

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[Bill Prince]

Good point. While McMullin might be able to win Utah (and get those 6 
votes), the likelihood of Johnson or Stein getting even one electoral 
vote seem pretty remote.



bp


On 10/20/2016 10:08 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I don't think so. As far as I know, McMullin is the only one other 
than Clinton and Trump with any real chance at getting any electoral 
votes - Johnson and Stein will likely both get a much higher 
percentage of the popular vote than McMullin, but I don't think either 
of them is anywhere close to winning a state in the polls.


But Like Chuck said, it's really all academic. The possibility of 
Clinton and Trump both losing a majority by less than six electoral 
votes is pretty remote.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


That would be a really slight chance. Among the candidates
running, I would rank their respective (probable) electoral votes
at (1) Clinton, (2) Trump, (3) Johnson, (4) Stein, (5) McMullin.

bp


On 10/20/2016 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If I understand the system right, if there's no majority,
congress has to pick from the candidates with the top three most
electoral votes (and there would only be three in that scenario)
... my guess is that, in that case (depending on what the new
congress looks like), there would be a pretty good chance of
ending up with Hillary anyway, but there would be a slight chance
they'd all compromise on McMullin.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

We have a republican majority in Congress, but the republican
party politicians don't like Trump.  I'm sure they would pick
somebody less crazy than Trump.
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:54:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah


If anyone thinks our Congress is capable of making a
non-crazy altrnative, I have a bridge I want to sell you.


bp


On 10/20/2016 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Nobody having a majority is my favorite scenario, and for
awhile I thought it would happen.  Unfortunately I
think Clinton will win by a landslide because people are
stuck in this mentality where we have to pick a winning
horse rather than voting for what we really want.  It can
still work out if Trump can rally a little bit and get back
to being tied with Clinton.  Then we can have a split, no
majority for anyone, and Congress can pick a non-awful
president.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:41:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

I think he has more presidential qualifications than Trump
does.
And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary then
the House of Representatives get to pick the president.
And I doubt they will pick Trump.  So in that respect,
Utah is saving the nation...
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
Utah doesn't have enough bad marks already?? Now they will
vote for a nobody, and truly look like they are crazy. LOL

Travis


On 10/20/2016 9:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


Evan McMullin, the Provo-born independent, has seized his
first lead in Utah’s fluid presidential race.

The Emerson College poll, released Wednesday, found
McMullin with 31 percent, followed by Republican Donald
Trump at 27 percent and Democrat Hillary Clinton at 24
percent.

[AFMUG] baicells

[chuck]

Heard from one of our customers today.  He has deployed baicells and it is 
doing great for NLOS up to 4 miles.  He is in pine tree country.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[Carl Peterson]

Off the top of my head, 2000 is the only year where Utah could have made
this happen by voting for a 3rd party candidate.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I don't think so. As far as I know, McMullin is the only one other than
> Clinton and Trump with any real chance at getting any electoral votes -
> Johnson and Stein will likely both get a much higher percentage of the
> popular vote than McMullin, but I don't think either of them is anywhere
> close to winning a state in the polls.
>
> But Like Chuck said, it's really all academic. The possibility of Clinton
> and Trump both losing a majority by less than six electoral votes is pretty
> remote.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> That would be a really slight chance. Among the candidates running, I
>> would rank their respective (probable) electoral votes at (1) Clinton, (2)
>> Trump, (3) Johnson, (4) Stein, (5) McMullin.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2016 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> If I understand the system right, if there's no majority, congress has to
>> pick from the candidates with the top three most electoral votes (and there
>> would only be three in that scenario)
>> ... my guess is that, in that case (depending on what the new congress
>> looks like), there would be a pretty good chance of ending up with Hillary
>> anyway, but there would be a slight chance they'd all compromise on
>> McMullin.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have a republican majority in Congress, but the republican party
>>> politicians don't like Trump.  I'm sure they would pick somebody less crazy
>>> than Trump.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Bill Prince" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 10/20/2016 11:54:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone thinks our Congress is capable of making a non-crazy
>>> altrnative, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/20/2016 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody having a majority is my favorite scenario, and for awhile I
>>> thought it would happen.  Unfortunately I think Clinton will win by a
>>> landslide because people are stuck in this mentality where we have to pick
>>> a winning horse rather than voting for what we really want.  It can still
>>> work out if Trump can rally a little bit and get back to being tied with
>>> Clinton.  Then we can have a split, no majority for anyone, and Congress
>>> can pick a non-awful president.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 10/20/2016 11:41:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>>
>>>
>>> I think he has more presidential qualifications than Trump does.
>>> And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary then the House of
>>> Representatives get to pick the president.
>>> And I doubt they will pick Trump.  So in that respect, Utah is saving
>>> the nation...
>>>
>>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>>
>>> Utah doesn't have enough bad marks already?? Now they will vote for a
>>> nobody, and truly look like they are crazy. LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/20/2016 9:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Evan McMullin, the Provo-born independent, has seized his first lead in
>>> Utah’s fluid presidential race.
>>>
>>> The Emerson College poll, released Wednesday, found McMullin with 31
>>> percent, followed by Republican Donald Trump at 27 percent and Democrat
>>> Hillary Clinton at 24 percent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

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401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Jaime's yagi

[Jaime Solorza]

So far this method has worked well for us. Where you going to impart
some new knowledge?   The radios are Schneider Treo 900mhz.

On Oct 20, 2016 9:22 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Yes under enclosure
>
> On Oct 20, 2016 9:14 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
>> Top and bottom or just top?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2016 8:47 AM,  wrote:
>>>
 So you are bonding the heliax to the ground at the top?

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:43 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jaime's yagi


 Here. 10 ft ground rod... Heliax and ground cable inside conduit

 On Oct 20, 2016 8:38 AM,  wrote:

> Where do those grounds go.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:53 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>
>
> Ha... Touche' , but I rarely watch CNN... I am a voracious reader and
> watch several news programs... Yes I left home at 5 am to go install some
> systems in Lordsburg, NM... Got home at 645pm..I wasn't driving so I read
> and used my cellphone to keep up with events especially Mars lander.. We
> have XM on trucks.. Plus FM... Have a good night... I am tired.
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 9:42 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> youre a rapist or criminal? because thats who he said were bad. I
>> think youre lying, you dont commit crimes and rape. you drank the cnn
>> koolaid and let them feed you your ideas, actual audio recordings of what
>> was said be damned. I really dont know how you have time to watch cnn 
>> with
>> all the projects you are on, do you wear those google classes so you can
>> stream it while working?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Drink the Kool Aide dude,  keep listening to Rush, Hannity, Dobbs,
>>> etc... When you can frame an erudite and lucid comment, observation or
>>> unique thought, let me know.Meanwhile I will continue to be a bad
>>> hombre as Trump said.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 9:25 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 9 is not a big number to have lied, which they are, many have been
 debunked, like the one who should have known little details like 
 whether
 armrests lift up or not if youre going to throw in a detail

 theyre lying

 he never said a thing about sexual assault, he specifically said
 "They will let you" that is called consent. None of the stories these 
 women
 have presented indicate they let him. so the liberal argument that the
 allegations corroborate the talk is moot, and quite frankly, willful
 ignorance

 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's right out of Rush Limbos crap show Even one is too
> fucking much. .I don't how you were raised but you don't touch women
> without their consent.   I shared on this list how my youngest 
> daughter
> elbowed and then knockout punched an asshole who grabbed her last 
> month at
> work event.  Police arrested him and his lady friends who tried to 
> attack
> her... I have four daughters and 6 granddaughters...it is a serious 
> issue
> with me.  One of those ladies who was kissed by trump told her 
> husband and
> he didn't do shit... Wow... I asked my Trump loving friend if he would
> allow Trump to be alone with his wife or 19 year old daughter He 
> never
> responded...
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:48 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 9 is not a big number
> go ask police in major murder investigations how many people
> confess to the crime who didnt do it. and thats just crazy people.
> Feminazis on the other hand alot of those types have 5-10 "date 
> rapes"
> under their belt
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <
>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know. I don't about laughing. I 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

[Josh Luthman]

It's what they used before virtual machines ;)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> O sorry. Brainfart. :(
>
> I haven't used a KVM in forever.
>
> On Oct 20, 2016 12:11 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I think all of their stuff is for serial ports and not KVM.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> www.get-console.com
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2016 10:31 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>>
 Any recommendations for a decent USB based KVM ?



 Paul McCall, President

 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800

 pa...@pdmnet.net

 www.pdmnet.com

 www.floridabroadband.com





>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

[Josh Reynolds]

O sorry. Brainfart. :(

I haven't used a KVM in forever.

On Oct 20, 2016 12:11 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> I think all of their stuff is for serial ports and not KVM.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> www.get-console.com
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2016 10:31 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>
>>> Any recommendations for a decent USB based KVM ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800
>>>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] CNMaestro Export

[Steve]

We were testing the cloud based version and now I'm trying out the on-premises 
version.  I can't seem to find any way to export our inventory from the cloud 
version and import it into the on-prem version.  The docs show a method from 
on-prem to on-prem migrations but those functions don't exist on the cloud 
version. 

Anyone have an idea? 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

[Josh Luthman]

I think all of their stuff is for serial ports and not KVM.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> www.get-console.com
>
> On Oct 20, 2016 10:31 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
>> Any recommendations for a decent USB based KVM ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[Mathew Howard]

I don't think so. As far as I know, McMullin is the only one other than
Clinton and Trump with any real chance at getting any electoral votes -
Johnson and Stein will likely both get a much higher percentage of the
popular vote than McMullin, but I don't think either of them is anywhere
close to winning a state in the polls.

But Like Chuck said, it's really all academic. The possibility of Clinton
and Trump both losing a majority by less than six electoral votes is pretty
remote.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> That would be a really slight chance. Among the candidates running, I
> would rank their respective (probable) electoral votes at (1) Clinton, (2)
> Trump, (3) Johnson, (4) Stein, (5) McMullin.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/20/2016 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> If I understand the system right, if there's no majority, congress has to
> pick from the candidates with the top three most electoral votes (and there
> would only be three in that scenario)
> ... my guess is that, in that case (depending on what the new congress
> looks like), there would be a pretty good chance of ending up with Hillary
> anyway, but there would be a slight chance they'd all compromise on
> McMullin.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> We have a republican majority in Congress, but the republican party
>> politicians don't like Trump.  I'm sure they would pick somebody less crazy
>> than Trump.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Bill Prince" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 10/20/2016 11:54:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>
>>
>> If anyone thinks our Congress is capable of making a non-crazy
>> altrnative, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2016 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Nobody having a majority is my favorite scenario, and for awhile I
>> thought it would happen.  Unfortunately I think Clinton will win by a
>> landslide because people are stuck in this mentality where we have to pick
>> a winning horse rather than voting for what we really want.  It can still
>> work out if Trump can rally a little bit and get back to being tied with
>> Clinton.  Then we can have a split, no majority for anyone, and Congress
>> can pick a non-awful president.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 10/20/2016 11:41:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>
>>
>> I think he has more presidential qualifications than Trump does.
>> And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary then the House of
>> Representatives get to pick the president.
>> And I doubt they will pick Trump.  So in that respect, Utah is saving the
>> nation...
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>
>> Utah doesn't have enough bad marks already?? Now they will vote for a
>> nobody, and truly look like they are crazy. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2016 9:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Evan McMullin, the Provo-born independent, has seized his first lead in
>> Utah’s fluid presidential race.
>>
>> The Emerson College poll, released Wednesday, found McMullin with 31
>> percent, followed by Republican Donald Trump at 27 percent and Democrat
>> Hillary Clinton at 24 percent.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Domain registrars

[Josh Reynolds]

Caveat: they don't support the newer TLDs yet, which is annoying.

On Oct 20, 2016 8:55 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Google registers domains. domains.google.com
> 
> Worked for me. If you buy it through google doamins the DNS is setup
> automatically for gmail to work.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:23 AM Steve  wrote:
>
>> I think he wants to move his email with the same registrar for the domain.
>>
>> Personally it doesn't matter who the registrar is you just point the DNS
>> servers to where you want to host.  Gmail for example.
>>
>> or I'll host it for you :)  Haven't been down yet (knock knock).
>>
>>
>> If you are looking to do that just move your web/email to a hosted
>> solution somewhere. I'd avoid places like Hostgator etc.  Though they run
>> the same sort of thing I do they are so huge they are a target for non stop
>> hackers.  The resources are pretty thin and performance isn't very good.
>>
>> Personally I'd do it yourself.  For $300 you can get a Cpanel license
>> (per year) that comes with WHM,  then upgrade it to cloudlinux and you can
>> split all the resources per domain to make sure no one domain can exceed
>> certain amounts of usage.  You could even resell space to your customers.
>>
>> However their email front ends (Horde etc) are not the best they are user
>> friendly.  The panel for managing DNS, Email accounts is pretty easy too.
>>
>> But if you are looking large scale down the road (ie 1000+ users) I'd
>> consider an alternative.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:15:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Domain registrars
>>
>> For just email...Gmail.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>> > Ok,
>> >  I am looking to move my existing domain to somewhere I can have email
>> > server built in.
>> > Who is most reliable and can take care of my email?
>> > I was thinking Godaddy or tucows
>> >
>> > Any suggestions welcome
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB KVM

[Josh Reynolds]

www.get-console.com

On Oct 20, 2016 10:31 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Any recommendations for a decent USB based KVM ?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hey Sam I Am... Going to meeting?

[Jaime Solorza]

Cool... Did you go by Alamo mountain west of Cornudas?   Great
petroglyphs...I heard about meeting on KRWG out of Lordsburg repeater from
Las Cruces.  Folks from Sandia, Los Alamos and providers will be there
I think it might be worthwhile... I have too much work to take off
Friday Glad you had fun and are safely home Oryx vs Bike!!!  Yikes

On Oct 20, 2016 10:40 AM, "Sam Lambie"  wrote:

> Is it this meeting or something else? [1st-mile-nm] SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY
> AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE: Meeting on NM Broadband
>
> I haven't even heard of any meetings this week as I went on vacation for 2
> weeks! Woop Woop! Lots of cheap mexican beer consumed while riding
> motorcycles on dirt through our beautiful state. North (Antonito, Co) to
> South (Dell City TX) 1300 miles. 9 days of camping. Most excellent times!
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Sam are you going to high speed broadband meeting in Santa Few this
>> Friday?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[Bill Prince]

That would be a really slight chance. Among the candidates running, I 
would rank their respective (probable) electoral votes at (1) Clinton, 
(2) Trump, (3) Johnson, (4) Stein, (5) McMullin.


bp


On 10/20/2016 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
If I understand the system right, if there's no majority, congress has 
to pick from the candidates with the top three most electoral votes 
(and there would only be three in that scenario)
... my guess is that, in that case (depending on what the new congress 
looks like), there would be a pretty good chance of ending up with 
Hillary anyway, but there would be a slight chance they'd all 
compromise on McMullin.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


We have a republican majority in Congress, but the republican
party politicians don't like Trump.  I'm sure they would pick
somebody less crazy than Trump.
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:54:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah


If anyone thinks our Congress is capable of making a non-crazy
altrnative, I have a bridge I want to sell you.


bp


On 10/20/2016 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Nobody having a majority is my favorite scenario, and for awhile
I thought it would happen.  Unfortunately I think Clinton will
win by a landslide because people are stuck in this mentality
where we have to pick a winning horse rather than voting for
what we really want.  It can still work out if Trump can rally a
little bit and get back to being tied with Clinton.  Then we can
have a split, no majority for anyone, and Congress can pick a
non-awful president.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/20/2016 11:41:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

I think he has more presidential qualifications than Trump does.
And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary then the
House of Representatives get to pick the president.
And I doubt they will pick Trump. So in that respect, Utah is
saving the nation...
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
Utah doesn't have enough bad marks already?? Now they will vote
for a nobody, and truly look like they are crazy. LOL

Travis


On 10/20/2016 9:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


Evan McMullin, the Provo-born independent, has seized his
first lead in Utah’s fluid presidential race.

The Emerson College poll, released Wednesday, found McMullin
with 31 percent, followed by Republican Donald Trump at 27
percent and Democrat Hillary Clinton at 24 percent.

Re: [AFMUG] Hey Sam I Am... Going to meeting?

[Sam Lambie]

Is it this meeting or something else? [1st-mile-nm] SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY AND
TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMITTEE: Meeting on NM Broadband

I haven't even heard of any meetings this week as I went on vacation for 2
weeks! Woop Woop! Lots of cheap mexican beer consumed while riding
motorcycles on dirt through our beautiful state. North (Antonito, Co) to
South (Dell City TX) 1300 miles. 9 days of camping. Most excellent times!

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Hey Sam are you going to high speed broadband meeting in Santa Few this
> Friday?
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah

[Mathew Howard]

Well, they can't pick someone that wasn't running, but they could
potentially pick someone that only won one state (Utah)... which would
certainly be interesting.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> If the House picks a president it will be a shit show like the world has
> never witnessed before in history.  If they pick a president other than one
> of the candidates that were actually running we will have mutiny.  It will
> turn our government upside down.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:28 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Polls are saying no
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>
>> Utah will pick Trump... but it's a great idea in theory. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2016 9:41 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I think he has more presidential qualifications than Trump does.
>> And if my a miracle we can prevent 270 for Hillary then the House of
>> Representatives get to pick the president.
>> And I doubt they will pick Trump.  So in that respect, Utah is saving the
>> nation...
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT News from Utah
>>
>> Utah doesn't have enough bad marks already?? Now they will vote for a
>> nobody, and truly look like they are crazy. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2016 9:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Evan McMullin, the Provo-born independent, has seized his first lead in
>> Utah’s fluid presidential race.
>>
>> The Emerson College poll, released Wednesday, found McMullin with 31
>> percent, followed by Republican Donald Trump at 27 percent and Democrat
>> Hillary Clinton at 24 percent.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>