Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
Haha… we’re always plotting ways to stay ahead of those damn Yanks … pretty easy job we have ROFL ;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 12:04 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Watch out for them Canucksthey are quietly plotting something On Apr 9, 2016 10:01 AM, "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: I got it checked on border crossings into/out of Canada. bp On 4/8/2016 9:05 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: i hope i never get asked to show my pilot's license ;-) knock on wood, never have been ramp checked. -sean On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Funny, I have never been asked to show my pilot’s license. From: Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:22 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you take it for yourself. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in Chicago :P On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. You pay good money for good votes. From: Sean Heskett <mailto:af...@zirkel.us> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= Voter fraud is vertically non existent On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry. Try harder. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, pay money. I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com')
Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
Watch out for them Canucksthey are quietly plotting something On Apr 9, 2016 10:01 AM, "Bill Prince" wrote: > I got it checked on border crossings into/out of Canada. > > bp > > > > On 4/8/2016 9:05 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > i hope i never get asked to show my pilot's license ;-) knock on wood, > never have been ramp checked. > > -sean > > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Funny, I have never been asked to show my pilot’s license. >> >> *From:* Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:22 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are >> free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible >> and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were >> irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a >> new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy >> as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too >> indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they >> aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of >> responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 >> letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you >> take it for yourself. >> >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard >> wrote: >> >>> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the >>> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither >>> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be >>> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in >>> Chicago :P >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>>> Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. >>>> You pay good money for good votes. >>>> >>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= >>>> >>>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>> >>>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll >>>>> tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's >>>>> right >>>>> to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >>>>> >>>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate >>>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive >>>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru >>>>> the >>>>> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >>>>> >>>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have >>>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >>>>> sorry. Try harder. >>>>> >>>>> -Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >>>>>> tests, pay money. >>>>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass >>>>>> tests, pay money. >>>>>> V
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what On Apr 7, 2016 10:20 PM, "Sean Heskett" wrote: > Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax > specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to > vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. > > To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you > need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today > were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the > years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. > > Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one > so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so > sorry. Try harder. > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >> tests, pay money. >> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >> pay money. >> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or >> to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >> passport, pay money. >> >> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >> transportation and few people own a car??? >> >> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >> or by bike. >> >> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. >> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and >> whatever cash I had on hand. >> >> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >> >> -Sean >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>> >>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of >>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to >>> obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>> >>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >>>> otherwise. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett < >>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',
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Bingo. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 10:06:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ false Fast food is more convenient, not cheaper in the long run. people are fat, because they are lazy for the most part, they choose convenience over health, its a fair trade. Being "poor" would actually gain you access to better staple foods at a discounted/free rate. There has been too blurred a line created between convenience and necessity. That whole argument only proves further in the US those who live in "poverty" have no idea what poverty actually is. Alot of the folks on this list have been on mission trips and have seen what poverty looks like, and fat is not what poverty looks like On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Christopher Tyler < ch...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: Not supporting one side of this argument or the other. I'm just going to interject some facts. It's a fact that McDonalds and other fast food is cheap. You can feed your family junk/fast food cheaper than you can healthy food. Which is why "poor" people are fatter in general. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 7:23:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ That just wreaks of the BS of their claims. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:15:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ How do poor people identify themselves for medical cards, food stamps, housing assistance, housing leases for that matter, and any of the other things the poor are entitled to? It would seem to me, that if poor people are unable to attain identification solely on the basis of being poor, they would all starve to death, without any shelter, since they are unable to be identified. Why are there so many obese poor people if they arent being fed because their financial situation dictates the inability to be identified? On that same note, how are poor criminals being incarcerated since their financial status disallows any mechanism for identification? On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud. What actually happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people end up having problems voting. I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor. Not all black people are poor and not all poor people are black. But the majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites? Sean Heskett wrote: Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student and black vote. Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house
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i hope i never get asked to show my pilot's license ;-) knock on wood, never have been ramp checked. -sean On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Funny, I have never been asked to show my pilot’s license. > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:22 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are > free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible > and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were > irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a > new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy > as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too > indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they > aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of > responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 > letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you > take it for yourself. > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the >> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither >> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be >> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in >> Chicago :P >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. You >>> pay good money for good votes. >>> >>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> >>> >>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= >>> >>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >>>> >>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax >>>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to >>>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >>>> >>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate >>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive >>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the >>>> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >>>> >>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have >>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >>>> sorry. Try harder. >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >>>>> tests, pay money. >>>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >>>>> pay money. >>>>> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote >>>>> or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >>>>> passport, pay money. >>>>> >>>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >>>>> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >>>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >>>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >>>>> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an i
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ding ding ding From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 10:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ false Fast food is more convenient, not cheaper in the long run. people are fat, because they are lazy for the most part, they choose convenience over health, its a fair trade. Being "poor" would actually gain you access to better staple foods at a discounted/free rate. There has been too blurred a line created between convenience and necessity. That whole argument only proves further in the US those who live in "poverty" have no idea what poverty actually is. Alot of the folks on this list have been on mission trips and have seen what poverty looks like, and fat is not what poverty looks like On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: Not supporting one side of this argument or the other. I'm just going to interject some facts. It's a fact that McDonalds and other fast food is cheap. You can feed your family junk/fast food cheaper than you can healthy food. Which is why "poor" people are fatter in general. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 7:23:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ That just wreaks of the BS of their claims. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:15:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ How do poor people identify themselves for medical cards, food stamps, housing assistance, housing leases for that matter, and any of the other things the poor are entitled to? It would seem to me, that if poor people are unable to attain identification solely on the basis of being poor, they would all starve to death, without any shelter, since they are unable to be identified. Why are there so many obese poor people if they arent being fed because their financial situation dictates the inability to be identified? On that same note, how are poor criminals being incarcerated since their financial status disallows any mechanism for identification? On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud. What actually happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people end up having problems voting. I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor. Not all black people are poor and not all poor people are black. But the majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites? Sean Heskett wrote: Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student and black vote. Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is t
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false Fast food is more convenient, not cheaper in the long run. people are fat, because they are lazy for the most part, they choose convenience over health, its a fair trade. Being "poor" would actually gain you access to better staple foods at a discounted/free rate. There has been too blurred a line created between convenience and necessity. That whole argument only proves further in the US those who live in "poverty" have no idea what poverty actually is. Alot of the folks on this list have been on mission trips and have seen what poverty looks like, and fat is not what poverty looks like On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: > Not supporting one side of this argument or the other. I'm just going to > interject some facts. It's a fact that McDonalds and other fast food is > cheap. You can feed your family junk/fast food cheaper than you can healthy > food. Which is why "poor" people are fatter in general. > > -- > Christopher Tyler > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE > Total Highspeed Internet Services > 417.851.1107 > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 7:23:42 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers > to Mexico - WSJ > > That just wreaks of the BS of their claims. > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:15:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers > to Mexico - WSJ > > > How do poor people identify themselves for medical cards, food stamps, > housing assistance, housing leases for that matter, and any of the other > things the poor are entitled to? > > > It would seem to me, that if poor people are unable to attain > identification solely on the basis of being poor, they would all starve to > death, without any shelter, since they are unable to be identified. > > > Why are there so many obese poor people if they arent being fed because > their financial situation dictates the inability to be identified? > > > On that same note, how are poor criminals being incarcerated since their > financial status disallows any mechanism for identification? > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: > > > Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud. What actually > happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people > end up having problems voting. > > > I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor. Not all black people > are poor and not all poor people are black. But the majority of people > below the poverty line happen to be black. > > > -Sean > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > > wrote: > > > Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites? > > Sean Heskett wrote: > > > Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student > and black vote. > > Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 > > http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com mhoward...@gmail.com >> wrote: > > While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google > tells me they require one of the following: > > * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public > Safety (DPS) > * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS > * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS > * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS > * United States military identification card containing the > person’s photograph > * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s > photograph > * United States passport > > Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't > really see anything inconsistent there. > > here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... > and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if > you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as > requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go > about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see > anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen > to be eligible to vote. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us &
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There are what are called "food deserts", typically in poor big city neighborhoods, where there are no grocery stores to buy healthy foods unless you have a car. Just fast food and bodegas. The Nightly Show did a piece on it last month: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/1paso2/the-nightly-show-with-larry-wilmore-stranded-in-a-food-desert -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 9:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Not supporting one side of this argument or the other. I'm just going to interject some facts. It's a fact that McDonalds and other fast food is cheap. You can feed your family junk/fast food cheaper than you can healthy food. Which is why "poor" people are fatter in general. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 7:23:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ That just wreaks of the BS of their claims. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:15:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ How do poor people identify themselves for medical cards, food stamps, housing assistance, housing leases for that matter, and any of the other things the poor are entitled to? It would seem to me, that if poor people are unable to attain identification solely on the basis of being poor, they would all starve to death, without any shelter, since they are unable to be identified. Why are there so many obese poor people if they arent being fed because their financial situation dictates the inability to be identified? On that same note, how are poor criminals being incarcerated since their financial status disallows any mechanism for identification? On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud. What actually happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people end up having problems voting. I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor. Not all black people are poor and not all poor people are black. But the majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites? Sean Heskett wrote: Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student and black vote. Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com mhoward...@gmail.com >> wrote: While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student
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Have you watched Fox "news"? That is exactly the base they have and are trying to cultivate. On Friday, April 8, 2016, Josh Reynolds wrote: > So, OT from the voting ID OT ;) > > I was browsing through fox news tonight because hey, I try to pay > attention to multiple news sources. I may not agree with many of the things > I read, but I still do read them because I think it's important to get > other people's views. > > The follow is screenshots of what I saw. > > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0sbuukgnmwa3zae/AACcSkadXx5bvsNICPMalljPa?dl=0&preview=Screenshot+(219).png > (click through the different ones in that folder) > > Shameful. Baseless partisan name-slinging, disrespect for the office of > the President of the United States, and racism. Most of this stuff doesn't > have anything to do with the article at all, it's just a soapbox > for bigoted blowhards. Is this really the base that Fox News wants to > cultivate? If so, shame on them. > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Cameron Crum > wrote: > >> Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are >> free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible >> and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were >> irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a >> new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy >> as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too >> indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they >> aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of >> responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 >> letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you >> take it for yourself. >> >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard > > wrote: >> >>> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the >>> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither >>> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be >>> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in >>> Chicago :P >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. >>>> You pay good money for good votes. >>>> >>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= >>>> >>>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>> >>>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll >>>>> tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's >>>>> right >>>>> to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >>>>> >>>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate >>>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive >>>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru >>>>> the >>>>> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >>>>> >>>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have >>>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >>>>> sorry. Try harder. >>>>> >>>>> -Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,
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Not supporting one side of this argument or the other. I'm just going to interject some facts. It's a fact that McDonalds and other fast food is cheap. You can feed your family junk/fast food cheaper than you can healthy food. Which is why "poor" people are fatter in general. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 7:23:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ That just wreaks of the BS of their claims. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:15:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ How do poor people identify themselves for medical cards, food stamps, housing assistance, housing leases for that matter, and any of the other things the poor are entitled to? It would seem to me, that if poor people are unable to attain identification solely on the basis of being poor, they would all starve to death, without any shelter, since they are unable to be identified. Why are there so many obese poor people if they arent being fed because their financial situation dictates the inability to be identified? On that same note, how are poor criminals being incarcerated since their financial status disallows any mechanism for identification? On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud. What actually happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people end up having problems voting. I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor. Not all black people are poor and not all poor people are black. But the majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites? Sean Heskett wrote: Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student and black vote. Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minori
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Funny, I have never been asked to show my pilot’s license. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you take it for yourself. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in Chicago :P On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. You pay good money for good votes. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= Voter fraud is vertically non existent On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry. Try harder. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, pay money. I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public transportation and few people own a car??? I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by bike. At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand. Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: Should they be allowed to
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That just wreaks of the BS of their claims. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:15:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ How do poor people identify themselves for medical cards, food stamps, housing assistance, housing leases for that matter, and any of the other things the poor are entitled to? It would seem to me, that if poor people are unable to attain identification solely on the basis of being poor, they would all starve to death, without any shelter, since they are unable to be identified. Why are there so many obese poor people if they arent being fed because their financial situation dictates the inability to be identified? On that same note, how are poor criminals being incarcerated since their financial status disallows any mechanism for identification? On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud. What actually happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people end up having problems voting. I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor. Not all black people are poor and not all poor people are black. But the majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites? Sean Heskett wrote: Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student and black vote. Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions < http://www.ics-il.com/ > < https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >< https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb >< https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >&l
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god that's some disgusting rhetoric :-/ Geeze -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Josh Reynolds wrote: > So, OT from the voting ID OT ;) > > I was browsing through fox news tonight because hey, I try to pay > attention to multiple news sources. I may not agree with many of the things > I read, but I still do read them because I think it's important to get > other people's views. > > The follow is screenshots of what I saw. > > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0sbuukgnmwa3zae/AACcSkadXx5bvsNICPMalljPa?dl=0&preview=Screenshot+(219).png > (click through the different ones in that folder) > > Shameful. Baseless partisan name-slinging, disrespect for the office of > the President of the United States, and racism. Most of this stuff doesn't > have anything to do with the article at all, it's just a soapbox > for bigoted blowhards. Is this really the base that Fox News wants to > cultivate? If so, shame on them. > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Cameron Crum > wrote: > >> Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are >> free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible >> and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were >> irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a >> new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy >> as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too >> indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they >> aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of >> responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 >> letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you >> take it for yourself. >> >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard > > wrote: >> >>> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the >>> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither >>> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be >>> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in >>> Chicago :P >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. >>>> You pay good money for good votes. >>>> >>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= >>>> >>>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>> >>>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll >>>>> tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's >>>>> right >>>>> to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >>>>> >>>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate >>>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive >>>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru >>>>> the >>>>> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >>>>> >>>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have >>>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >>>>> sorry. Try harder. >>>>> >>>>> -Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');&
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So, OT from the voting ID OT ;) I was browsing through fox news tonight because hey, I try to pay attention to multiple news sources. I may not agree with many of the things I read, but I still do read them because I think it's important to get other people's views. The follow is screenshots of what I saw. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0sbuukgnmwa3zae/AACcSkadXx5bvsNICPMalljPa?dl=0&preview=Screenshot+(219).png (click through the different ones in that folder) Shameful. Baseless partisan name-slinging, disrespect for the office of the President of the United States, and racism. Most of this stuff doesn't have anything to do with the article at all, it's just a soapbox for bigoted blowhards. Is this really the base that Fox News wants to cultivate? If so, shame on them. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: > Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are > free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible > and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were > irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a > new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy > as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too > indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they > aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of > responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 > letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you > take it for yourself. > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the >> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither >> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be >> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in >> Chicago :P >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. You >>> pay good money for good votes. >>> >>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> >>> >>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= >>> >>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >>>> >>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax >>>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to >>>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >>>> >>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate >>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive >>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the >>>> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >>>> >>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have >>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >>>> sorry. Try harder. >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >>>>> tests, pay money. >>>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >>>>> pay money. >>>>> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote >>>>> or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >>>>> passport, pay money. >>>>> >>>>> I understan
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Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you take it for yourself. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the > whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither > the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be > enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in > Chicago :P > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. You >> pay good money for good votes. >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= >> >> Voter fraud is vertically non existent >> >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >>> >>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax >>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to >>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >>> >>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate >>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive >>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the >>> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >>> >>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have >>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >>> sorry. Try harder. >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >>> >>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >>>> tests, pay money. >>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >>>> pay money. >>>> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote >>>> or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >>>> passport, pay money. >>>> >>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >>>> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >>>> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >>>> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >>>> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >>>> >>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >>>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >>>> transportation and few people own a car??? >>&g
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How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in Chicago :P On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. You > pay good money for good votes. > > *From:* Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= > > Voter fraud is vertically non existent > > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax >> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to >> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >> >> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you >> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today >> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the >> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >> >> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one >> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >> sorry. Try harder. >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >> >>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >>> tests, pay money. >>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >>> pay money. >>> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote >>> or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >>> passport, pay money. >>> >>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >>> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >>> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >>> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >>> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >>> >>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >>> transportation and few people own a car??? >>> >>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >>> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >>> or by bike. >>> >>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. >>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and >>> whatever cash I had on hand. >>> >>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >>> >>>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>>> >>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>
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So you believe in socialist welfare and I should have to pay for your birth certificate?!?! I don't want to pay for someone else's birth certificate, pay for your own! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > I would support free birth certificates. That seems like a reasonable > right for all citizens. (How do you prove you are you to get a birth > certificate?) > > > > *From:* Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax > specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to > vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. > > To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you > need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today > were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the > years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. > > Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one > so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so > sorry. Try harder. > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown > wrote: > >> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >> tests, pay money. >> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >> pay money. >> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or >> to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >> passport, pay money. >> >> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >> transportation and few people own a car??? >> >> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >> or by bike. >> >> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. >> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and >> whatever cash I had on hand. >> >> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >> >> -Sean >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >> >>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>> >>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of >>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to >>> obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >>> >>> O
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In Chicago only the dead vote ;) twice! On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. You > pay good money for good votes. > > *From:* Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= > > Voter fraud is vertically non existent > > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown > wrote: > >> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax >> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to >> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >> >> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you >> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today >> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the >> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >> >> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one >> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >> sorry. Try harder. >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >> >>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >>> tests, pay money. >>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >>> pay money. >>> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote >>> or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >>> passport, pay money. >>> >>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >>> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >>> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >>> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >>> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >>> >>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >>> transportation and few people own a car??? >>> >>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >>> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >>> or by bike. >>> >>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. >>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and >>> whatever cash I had on hand. >>> >>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >>> >>>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>>> >>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% >>>> of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, >>>> to obtai
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Certainly non existent in Chicago right No fraud about it. You pay good money for good votes. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= Voter fraud is vertically non existent On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry. Try harder. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, pay money. I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public transportation and few people own a car??? I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by bike. At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand. Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: Should they be allowed to drive? From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little diffe
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My motto...vote early vote often... On Apr 7, 2016 10:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? > > *From:* Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax > specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to > vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. > > To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you > need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today > were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the > years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. > > Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one > so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so > sorry. Try harder. > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >> tests, pay money. >> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >> pay money. >> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or >> to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >> passport, pay money. >> >> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >> transportation and few people own a car??? >> >> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >> or by bike. >> >> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. >> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and >> whatever cash I had on hand. >> >> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >> >> -Sean >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >> >>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>> >>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of >>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to >>> obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>> >>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= Voter fraud is vertically non existent On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? > > *From:* Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax > specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to > vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. > > To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you > need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today > were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the > years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. > > Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one > so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so > sorry. Try harder. > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown > wrote: > >> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >> tests, pay money. >> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >> pay money. >> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or >> to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >> passport, pay money. >> >> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >> transportation and few people own a car??? >> >> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >> or by bike. >> >> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. >> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and >> whatever cash I had on hand. >> >> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >> >> -Sean >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >> >>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>> >>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of >>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to >>> obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>>
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But if you want anyone to be able to stroll into a polling place an vote, they can go to the next polling place and vote again, because they don’t have to show no stinking ID. And I can get lots of people to do this and vote the way I tell ‘em because I pay them... From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Um computers?!?! On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry. Try harder. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, pay money. I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public transportation and few people own a car??? I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by bike. At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand. Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: Should they be allowed to drive? From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Vo
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I would support free birth certificates. That seems like a reasonable right for all citizens. (How do you prove you are you to get a birth certificate?) From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry. Try harder. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, pay money. I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public transportation and few people own a car??? I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by bike. At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand. Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: Should they be allowed to drive? From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mex
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Um computers?!?! On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? > > *From:* Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax > specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to > vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. > > To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you > need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today > were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the > years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. > > Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one > so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so > sorry. Try harder. > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown > wrote: > >> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >> tests, pay money. >> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >> pay money. >> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or >> to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >> passport, pay money. >> >> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >> transportation and few people own a car??? >> >> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >> or by bike. >> >> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. >> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and >> whatever cash I had on hand. >> >> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >> >> -Sean >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >> >>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>> >>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of >>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to >>> obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>> >>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >>>> Mexico).
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OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry. Try harder. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, pay money. I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public transportation and few people own a car??? I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by bike. At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand. Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: Should they be allowed to drive? From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
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Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry. Try harder. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, > pay money. > If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay > money. > Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or > to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a > passport, pay money. > > I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style > of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit > voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to keep > the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to > control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable > unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky > situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. > > *From:* Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have > y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public > transportation and few people own a car??? > > I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public > transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass > to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot > or by bike. > > At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. > Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and > whatever cash I had on hand. > > Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. > > -Sean > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown > wrote: > >> Should they be allowed to drive? >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >> >> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of >> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to >> obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >> >> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote: >> >> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote: >> >>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >>> otherwise. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote: >>> >>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>>> racist. >>>> >>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>>> fine with that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intellige
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I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, pay money. Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, pay money. I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public transportation and few people own a car??? I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by bike. At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand. Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: Should they be allowed to drive? From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph g.. United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be el
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Why do you assume all Mexicans are dark or brown? Some are as white blond and blue eyed as any from the Angelic racemy youngest brother passes for white as does my oldest daughter... there are also black Mexicans and even red haired with frecklestoo funny know On Apr 7, 2016 7:48 PM, "Sean Heskett" wrote: > Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have > y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public > transportation and few people own a car??? > > I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public > transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass > to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot > or by bike. > > At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. > Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and > whatever cash I had on hand. > > Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. > > -Sean > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Should they be allowed to drive? >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >> >> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of >> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to >> obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >> >> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: >> >> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard >> wrote: >> >>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >>> otherwise. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>>> racist. >>>> >>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>>> fine with that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >>>> *To: *"af" >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells >>>> me they require one of the following: >>>> >>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>>Safety (DPS) >>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>>- United States military identification card containing the >>&
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Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public transportation and few people own a car??? I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by bike. At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand. Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > Should they be allowed to drive? > > *From:* Carl Peterson > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers toMexico - WSJ > > There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of > 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to > obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? > > On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum > wrote: > > I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they > drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank > account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of > other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about > conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want > voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >> otherwise. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett > > wrote: >> >>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>> racist. >>> >>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>> fine with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >> > >>> *To: *"af" > >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >>> they require one of the following: >>> >>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>Safety (DPS) >>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s >>>photograph >>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>photograph >>>- United States passport >>> >>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >>> anything inconsistent there. >>> >>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't >>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving t
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Don’t they want their $5 and a pork chop sandwich? http://www.amazon.com/Five-Dollars-Pork-Chop-Sandwich/dp/0807076406 OK, that was Louisiana. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ I would venture a guess that if they have no idea how to obtain an id they would be much less likely or inclined to register to vote so that is kind of a moot point On Apr 7, 2016 6:01 PM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph g.. United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it suc
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I would venture a guess that if they have no idea how to obtain an id they would be much less likely or inclined to register to vote so that is kind of a moot point On Apr 7, 2016 6:01 PM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: > There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of > 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to > obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? > > On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: > > I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they > drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank > account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of > other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about > conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want > voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >> otherwise. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>> racist. >>> >>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>> fine with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >>> *To: *"af" >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >>> they require one of the following: >>> >>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>Safety (DPS) >>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s >>>photograph >>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>photograph >>>- United States passport >>> >>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >>> anything inconsistent there. >>> >>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't >>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >>> >>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >>>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>> >>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting wit
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can't be any worse than some voters,if we needed intelligence and common sense to vote, Trumps and Cruzados numbers would drop ducking Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of > 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to > obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? > > On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: > > I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they > drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank > account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of > other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about > conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want > voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >> otherwise. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>> racist. >>> >>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>> fine with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >>> *To: *"af" >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >>> they require one of the following: >>> >>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>Safety (DPS) >>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s >>>photograph >>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>photograph >>>- United States passport >>> >>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >>> anything inconsistent there. >>> >>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't >>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >>> >>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >>>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>> >>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >>>> the voter ID laws are design
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There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? > On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: > > I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they > drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, > have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things > that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just > as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the > illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. > >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with >> who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. >> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>> racist. >>> >>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine >>> with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Mathew Howard" >>> To: "af" >>> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to >>> Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >>> they require one of the following: >>> Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) >>> Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>> Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>> Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>> United States military identification card containing the person’s >>> photograph >>> United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph >>> United States passport >>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >>> anything inconsistent there. >>> >>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there >>> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for >>> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to >>> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I >>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a >>> citizen to be eligible to vote. >>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a >>>> super conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>> >>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot >>>> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the >>>> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >>>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID >>>> was issued by a state school. >>>> >>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >>>> America great?!?! >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>>> >>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed >>>>> a minority fight for or against most things. >>>>> >>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal
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alifornia to fight for better education. We did same in El Pasotold >>>>>> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go >>>>>> vote! >>>>>> Guess he did something rightha >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>>>>> racist. >>>>>> >>>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>>>>> fine with that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >>>>>> *To: *"af" >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>> >>>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells >>>>>> me they require one of the following: >>>>>> >>>>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>>>>Safety (DPS) >>>>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>>>>- United States military identification card containing the >>>>>>person’s photograph >>>>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>>>>photograph >>>>>>- United States passport >>>>>> >>>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really >>>>>> see anything inconsistent there. >>>>>> >>>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>>>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't >>>>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>>>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a >>>>>>> super >>>>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have >>>>>>> a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. >>>>>>> All >>>>>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an >>>>>>> illegal >>>>>>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate >>>>>>> you >>&g
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oting because we're all >>>>> racist. >>>>> >>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>>>> fine with that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> -- >>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >>>>> *To: *"af" >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>> >>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells >>>>> me they require one of the following: >>>>> >>>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>>>Safety (DPS) >>>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>>>- United States military identification card containing the >>>>>person’s photograph >>>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>>>photograph >>>>>- United States passport >>>>> >>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really >>>>> see anything inconsistent there. >>>>> >>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't >>>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a >>>>>> super >>>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have >>>>>> a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. >>>>>> All >>>>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an >>>>>> illegal >>>>>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>>>>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>>>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID >>>>>> was >>>>>> issued by a state school. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. >>>>>> Make America great?!?! >>>>>> >>>>>> -Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn'
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I liked the people saying Bernie Sanders does well in mostly white states like Hawaii. (Hawaii is 25% white, by far the lowest percentage white population among the states) (Maine and Vermont are the highest at 95%) (Maine however may change, given all those drug dealers named D-Money, Smoothie and Shifty impregnating their young white girls) From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no matter if it is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough without getting government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time around racist guys. What a bummer. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team, Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm beaners and wetbacks, etc... Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the military? Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq, lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free. BTW, he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and second cousin to our past governor. That is the family secret we holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology. Their motto, "Out of the Barrio with an education !!" That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view not marred by religious zealots. Parents should teach children about God and religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church and State in Constitution. Also keep an eye out for trucks all around Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in Amarillo this past January while working in Borger. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like everyone else has already mentioned. Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute some of it. OK. Start the all caps yelliing. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it. I tried telling the students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in California to fight for better education. We did same in El Pasotold them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! Guess he did something rightha On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) b.. Te
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yep...you are just too cool!!! are you still mayor of Merkel? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no matter > if it is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough without > getting government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time around > racist guys. What a bummer. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school >> sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with >> clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team, >> Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm >> beaners and wetbacks, etc... >> Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were >> having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen >> talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new >> oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the >> military? Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq, >> lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying >> to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't >> say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free. BTW, >> he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that >> respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and >> second cousin to our past governor. That is the family secret we >> holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have >> trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said >> Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids >> from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology. Their motto, "Out >> of the Barrio with an education !!" >> That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view >> not marred by religious zealots. Parents should teach children about God >> and religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public >> schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church >> and State in Constitution. Also keep an eye out for trucks all around >> Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in >> Amarillo this past January while working in Borger. >> >> >> Jaime Solorza >> Wireless Systems Architect >> 915-861-1390 >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman >> wrote: >> >>> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, >>> and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to >>> dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like >>> everyone else has already mentioned. >>> >>> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay >>> taxes from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you >>> are going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to >>> contribute some of it. >>> >>> OK. Start the all caps yelliing. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican >>>> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used >>>> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it. I tried telling the >>>> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in >>>> California to fight for better education. We did same in El Pasotold >>>> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! >>>> Guess he did something rightha >>>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: >>>> >>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>>> racist. >>>> >>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>>> fine with that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKa
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I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no matter if it is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough without getting government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time around racist guys. What a bummer. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school > sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with > clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team, > Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm > beaners and wetbacks, etc... > Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were > having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen > talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new > oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the > military? Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq, > lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying > to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't > say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free. BTW, > he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that > respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and > second cousin to our past governor. That is the family secret we > holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have > trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said > Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids > from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology. Their motto, "Out > of the Barrio with an education !!" > That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view not > marred by religious zealots. Parents should teach children about God and > religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public > schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church > and State in Constitution. Also keep an eye out for trucks all around > Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in > Amarillo this past January while working in Borger. > > > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman > wrote: > >> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, >> and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to >> dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like >> everyone else has already mentioned. >> >> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay >> taxes from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you >> are going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to >> contribute some of it. >> >> OK. Start the all caps yelliing. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza >> wrote: >> >>> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican >>> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used >>> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it. I tried telling the >>> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in >>> California to fight for better education. We did same in El Pasotold >>> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! >>> Guess he did something rightha >>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: >>> >>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>> racist. >>> >>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>> fine with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com
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Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team, Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm beaners and wetbacks, etc... Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the military? Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq, lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free. BTW, he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and second cousin to our past governor. That is the family secret we holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology. Their motto, "Out of the Barrio with an education !!" That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view not marred by religious zealots. Parents should teach children about God and religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church and State in Constitution. Also keep an eye out for trucks all around Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in Amarillo this past January while working in Borger. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, > and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to > dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like > everyone else has already mentioned. > > Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes > from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are > going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute > some of it. > > OK. Start the all caps yelliing. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican >> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used >> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it. I tried telling the >> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in >> California to fight for better education. We did same in El Pasotold >> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! >> Guess he did something rightha >> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: >> >> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >> racist. >> >> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >> fine with that. >> >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >> *To: *"af" >> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >> they require one of the following: >> >>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>Safety (DPS) >>- Texas Elec
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42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists >>>> because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so >>>> skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever >>>> win. >>>> >>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee >>>> ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the >>>> fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed >>>> to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh >>>> sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need >>>> to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your >>>> hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student >>>> ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. >>>> >>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. >>>> Fair 2. Make America great?!?! >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>> >>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit >>>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most >>>> things. >>>> >>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between >>>> legal and illegal immigration. >>>> >>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts >>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both >>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>>> >>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, >>>> why should the most important thing be any different? >>>> >>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly >>>> logical conversation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions < <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange < <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP < <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block >>>> >>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt >>>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! >>>> >>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no >>>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north >>>> africa his motivation was the same as all the South >>>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
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Ha! Could be! bp On 4/7/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: I think they say the same about Republicans in NY don't they? On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: A Democrat in Texas would be called a Republican in most other states. bp On 4/7/2016 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant. On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides suck because of it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> -----------
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I think they say the same about Republicans in NY don't they? On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM Bill Prince wrote: > A Democrat in Texas would be called a Republican in most other states. > > > bp > > > > On 4/7/2016 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: > > The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing >> their power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping >> giant. >> On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: >> >>> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. >>> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides >>> suck because of it. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>> >>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >>> issued by a state school. >>> >>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >>> America great?!?! >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>> >>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>>> >>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>>> illegal immigration. >>>> >>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>>> >>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should >>>> the most important thing be any different? >>>> >>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>>> conversation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.face
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> wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ---------------- *From: *"Sean Heskett" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? I can't wait to see the republican convention
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middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> -------------------- *From: *"Sean Heskett" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. America is already fucking great! So
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My theory is that you have to have filed a tax return. It's the legal obligation of all adult US citizens. Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, and > by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to dissuade > minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like everyone > else has already mentioned. > > Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes > from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are > going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute > some of it. > > OK. Start the all caps yelliing. > >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza >> wrote: >> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican Americans >> from voting and getting equal access to education.They used all kinds of >> tactics including taxes to do it. I tried telling the students at Tornillo >> High School to study what Chicano students did in California to fight for >> better education. We did same in El Pasotold them to register and >> vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! Guess he did >> something rightha >> >> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: >> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. >> >> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine >> with that. >> >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Mathew Howard" >> To: "af" >> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to >> Mexico - WSJ >> >> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >> they require one of the following: >> Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) >> Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >> Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >> Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >> United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph >> United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph >> United States passport >> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >> anything inconsistent there. >> >> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is >> a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the >> necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get >> an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I >> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a >> citizen to be eligible to vote. >> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>> >>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot >>> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the >>> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >>> issued by a state school. >>> >>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >>> America great?!?! >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>> >>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed >>>> a minority fight for or against most things. >>>> >>>> "Progressive li
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>From my experience, every person in the seat of power and ease at someone else's expense tries very hard to keep what they have. You just need to move to Illinois where it is Democrats doing it. The sad part is, it appears voters refuse to wake up. That is one reason we are in the shape we are in. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their > power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant. > On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > >> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. >> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides >> suck because of it. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >> conservative "republican" could ever win. >> >> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >> issued by a state school. >> >> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >> America great?!?! >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>> >>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>> >>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>> illegal immigration. >>> >>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>> >>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the >>> most important thing be any different? >>> >>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>> conversation. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >&g
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;>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>> >>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit >>>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most >>>> things. >>>> >>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between >>>> legal and illegal immigration. >>>> >>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts >>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both >>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>>> >>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, >>>> why should the most important thing be any different? >>>> >>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly >>>> logical conversation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block >>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt >>>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! >>>> >>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no >>>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north >>>> africa his motivation was the same as all the South >>>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because >>>> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian >>>> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon >>>> (early 1900's) >>>> >>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate >>>> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on >>>> immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians >>>> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north >>>> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>>> >>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking >>>> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and >>>> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this >>>> damn conservative minority who would rather see their >>>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority >>>> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact >>>> "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and >>>> Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent >>>> the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>>> >>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their >>>> policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>&g
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Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like everyone else has already mentioned. Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute some of it. OK. Start the all caps yelliing. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican > Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used > all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it. I tried telling the > students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in > California to fight for better education. We did same in El Pasotold > them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! > Guess he did something rightha > On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > > Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all > racist. > > Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine > with that. > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Mathew Howard" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me > they require one of the following: > >- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety >(DPS) >- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >- United States military identification card containing the person’s >photograph >- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >photograph >- United States passport > > Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see > anything inconsistent there. > > here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there > is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for > the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to > get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I > really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a > citizen to be eligible to vote. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > >> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >> conservative "republican" could ever win. >> >> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >> issued by a state school. >> >> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >> America great?!?! >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>> >>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>> >>> "Progressive l
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in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both >>> parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>> >>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, >>> why should the most important thing be any different? >>> >>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly >>> logical conversation. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> >>> >>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block >>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt >>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! >>> >>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no >>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north >>> africa his motivation was the same as all the South >>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because >>> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian >>> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon >>> (early 1900's) >>> >>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate >>> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on >>> immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians >>> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north >>> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>> >>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking >>> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and >>> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this >>> damn conservative minority who would rather see their >>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority >>> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact >>> "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and >>> Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent >>> the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>> >>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their >>> policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>> >>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>> >>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort >>> itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>> >>> America is already fucking great! >>> >>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to >>> see American politicians act this poorly. >>> >>> 2 cents >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall >>> wrote: >>> >>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this >>> disclaimer up front. >>> >>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in
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No fraud? Last year some lady was convicted of voting three times. So while little is likely very true, no fraud is absolutely not true. This is the only one I remember that got big press but I doubt it is the only one. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/17/cincinnati-illegal-voting/2530119/ Statistically, if that is what you meant, then I would agree that thee isn't enough to sway an election. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:45 AM Sean Heskett wrote: > We've been voting for 250 years without theses laws and there has been > little to no fraud in person voter fraud. After Obama won all the > conservatives enacted voter ID laws that suppress...wait for it...the > student and poor vote. > > If they really were trying to get rid of voter fraud they would focus the > laws on absentee ballots where there is known fraud...but that would > suppress the elderly vote and they tend to vote for republicans :-/ > > It will be decided in the courts but we will have to go thru a couple > rounds of voting with these laws on the books. > > If you can't beat em...change the rules! That's what will happen at the > republican convention. Rule 40 is gonna go bye bye...but it's their party > so they can do what they want as a private org. > > 2 cents > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard wrote: > >> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >> they require one of the following: >> >>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>Safety (DPS) >>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>- United States military identification card containing the person’s >>photograph >>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>photograph >>- United States passport >> >> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >> anything inconsistent there. >> >> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there >> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for >> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to >> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I >> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a >> citizen to be eligible to vote. >> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >> > The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>> >>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >>> issued by a state school. >>> >>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >>> America great?!?! >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>> >>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>>> >>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>>> illegal immigration. >>>> >>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>>> >>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should >>>> the most important thing be any different? >>>> >>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>>> conversation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>&
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things in this country are 1. >>>> Fair 2. Make America great?!?! >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>> >>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit >>>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most >>>> things. >>>> >>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between >>>> legal and illegal immigration. >>>> >>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts >>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both >>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>>> >>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, >>>> why should the most important thing be any different? >>>> >>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly >>>> logical conversation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block >>>> >>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt >>>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! >>>> >>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no >>>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north >>>> africa his motivation was the same as all the South >>>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because >>>> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian >>>> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon >>>> (early 1900's) >>>> >>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate >>>> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on >>>> immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians >>>> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north >>>> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>>> >>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking >>>> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and >>>> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this >>>> damn conservative minority who would rather see their >>>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority >>>> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact >>>> "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and >>>> Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent >>>> the old, sick and poor from dying on t
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But none of the problems the guy in the article had were directly related to the fact that he was black, they mostly had to do with the fact that the DMV is... well, the DMV. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Not taking sides here, but you apparently didn't read the article he > linked to before commenting on it. > > Personally, I support Bill The Cat. Who, if you'll recall, had Donald > Trump's brain transplanted into his body after the tragic boat anchor > accident. > > > -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 1:05 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers > to Mexico - WSJ > > Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites? > > Sean Heskett wrote: > >> Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student >> and black vote. >> >> Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 >> >> http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard > mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google >> tells me they require one of the following: >> >> * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >> Safety (DPS) >> * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >> * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >> * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >> * United States military identification card containing the >> person’s photograph >> * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >> photograph >> * United States passport >> >> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't >> really see anything inconsistent there. >> >> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... >> and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if >> you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as >> requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go >> about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see >> anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen >> to be eligible to vote. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > > wrote: >> >> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists >> because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so >> skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever >> win. >> >> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee >> ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the >> fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed >> to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh >> sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need >> to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your >> hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student >> ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. >> >> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. >> Fair 2. Make America great?!?! >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > > wrote: >> >> "conservative minority" HAH! >> >> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit >> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most >> things. >> >> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between >> legal and illegal immigration. >> >> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts >> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both >> parties gerrymander and it sucks. >> >> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, >> why should the most important thing be any different? >> >> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly >> logical conversation. >> >> >> >>
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"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between >>> legal and illegal immigration. >>> >>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts >>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both >>> parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>> >>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, >>> why should the most important thing be any different? >>> >>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly >>> logical conversation. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> >>> >>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block >>> >>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt >>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! >>> >>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no >>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north >>> africa his motivation was the same as all the South >>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because >>> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian >>> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon >>> (early 1900's) >>> >>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate >>> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on >>> immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians >>> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north >>> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>> >>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking >>> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and >>> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this >>> damn conservative minority who would rather see their >>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority >>> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact >>> "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and >>> Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent >>> the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>> >>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their >>> policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>> >>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>> >>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort >>> itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>> >>> America is already fucking great! >>> >>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to >>> see American politicians act this poorly. >>> >>> 2 cents >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall >&
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/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> >> >> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block >> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt >> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! >> >> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no >> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north >> africa his motivation was the same as all the South >> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because >> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian >> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon >> (early 1900's) >> >> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate >> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on >> immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians >> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north >> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >> >> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking >> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and >> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this >> damn conservative minority who would rather see their >> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority >> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact >> "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and >> Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent >> the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >> >> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their >> policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >> >> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >> >> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort >> itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. >> >> America is already fucking great! >> >> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to >> see American politicians act this poorly. >> >> 2 cents >> >> -Sean >> >> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall >> wrote: >> >> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this >> disclaimer up front. >> >> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. >> The negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he >> gets in, and starts this process and is bound and >> determined to make it happen, extremities can be >> discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the >> bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a >> wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, >> and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever >> way that takes) will get people’s attention. >> >> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? >>Of course not. Is it helpful and one part of the >> total solution needed? absolutely. There IS NO >> border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a >> façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down >> the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit, including >> himself), but this country needs action in so, so many >> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do >> anything that isn’t buried in PC or politics or >> corruption or power or all of the above. >> >> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the >> subject. But, I /still believe in America/ and its >> strength and there is been absolutely nothing done in >> recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only >> further dilution and division and flailing discourse >> at an unprecedented level historically. >> >> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix >> our country fan” >> >> Paul >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of >> *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block >> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot >> did I say fucking idiot..oh yes I did >> >> >> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >> >> >> >> >
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The implication is that culture matters more than you might think. bp On 4/7/2016 11:05 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites? Sean Heskett wrote: Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student and black vote. Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ---------------------------- *From: *"Sean Heskett" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Amer
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Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites? Sean Heskett wrote: Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student and black vote. Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ---------------------------- *From: *"Sean Heskett" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Co
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Tooele AND Oquirrh? Chuck McCown wrote: Around here all you have to do is properly pronounce Tooele and Oquirrh. Can’t do it, can’t vote. (At least I don’t live in Mantua...) *From:* Sean Heskett <mailto:af...@zirkel.us> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3 It just happened and it's for real folks. I can't believe there are Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote. In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot. Guess what, voter participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people get to elect who they want. Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud. Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards voting. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote: I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Mathew Howard" *To: *"af" *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conse
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Back a hunnert years or so ago, the guvmnt came to Utah, confiscated all the property of the rascally Mormon church and generally set up martial law. One of the requirements for Utah to get into the union was to ensure that there was an equal two party system here. So, Brigham Young had the local bishops draw a line down the middle of the congregation and told those on the left they were to be Democrats and those on the right Republicans. Since that time, folks have slid over on the pews such that there are very few sitting on the left... From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ +1. California finally took the ability of the legislature to gerrymander away a couple years ago. As the legislature was heavily democratic, the belief was that the un-gerrymandered districts would become more balanced. Unexpected was that the new un-gerrymandered districts became more democratic. I guess the legislature wasn't very good at how they gerrymandered. They're still trying to figure out how that happened, but it's pretty clear that the new districts are much more sane in the way they are drawn. bp On 4/7/2016 9:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides suck because of it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ---- From: "Sean Heskett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact &q
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Nor should you trust any politician whose lips move. bp On 4/7/2016 10:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: I dont like grinning mexicans, you cant trust them. If theyre grinning theyre going to make you eat something very hot. Never trust a grinning mexican, ever On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Rory Conaway <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Hahaha. Would that be the iZombie caucus? It’s amazing that more people voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969. I think the same caucus is active in Philadelphia also. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID. *From:*Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> *Sent:*Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM *To:*af <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as proving they actually do have the right to vote). On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used to be Mexico. *From:*Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> *Sent:*Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM *To:*af <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> *To: *"af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually cit
Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
A Democrat in Texas would be called a Republican in most other states. bp On 4/7/2016 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant. On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides suck because of it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ---------------- *From: *"Sean Heskett" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Ita
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+1. California finally took the ability of the legislature to gerrymander away a couple years ago. As the legislature was heavily democratic, the belief was that the un-gerrymandered districts would become more balanced. Unexpected was that the new un-gerrymandered districts became more democratic. I guess the legislature wasn't very good at how they gerrymandered. They're still trying to figure out how that happened, but it's pretty clear that the new districts are much more sane in the way they are drawn. bp On 4/7/2016 9:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides suck because of it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Sean Heskett" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ---- *From: *"Sean Heskett" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion fo
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Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student and black vote. Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/ -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard wrote: > While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me > they require one of the following: > >- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety >(DPS) >- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >- United States military identification card containing the person’s >photograph >- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >photograph >- United States passport > > Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see > anything inconsistent there. > > here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there > is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for > the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to > get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I > really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a > citizen to be eligible to vote. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote: > >> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >> conservative "republican" could ever win. >> >> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >> issued by a state school. >> >> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >> America great?!?! >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > > wrote: >> >>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>> >>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>> >>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>> illegal immigration. >>> >>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>> >>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the >>> most important thing be any different? >>> >>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>> conversation. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >>> non-issue...PERIOD! >>> >>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >>> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the >>> same
Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
Hahahahaha On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:14 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I dont like grinning mexicans, you cant trust them. If theyre grinning > theyre going to make you eat something very hot. Never trust a grinning > mexican, ever > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >> Hahaha. Would that be the iZombie caucus? It’s amazing that more people >> voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969. I think the same >> caucus is active in Philadelphia also. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID. >> >> >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM >> >> *To:* af >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said >> applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about >> voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that >> vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything >> wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as >> proving they actually do have the right to vote). >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used >> to be Mexico. >> >> >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM >> >> *To:* af >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >> otherwise. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >> racist. >> >> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >> fine with that. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> >> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >> *To: *"af" >> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >> >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >> they require one of the following: >> >>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>Safety (DPS) >>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>- United States military identification card containing the person’s >>photograph >>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>photograph >>- United States passport >> >> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >> anything inconsistent there. >> >> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are
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Around here all you have to do is properly pronounce Tooele and Oquirrh. Can’t do it, can’t vote. (At least I don’t live in Mantua...) From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3 It just happened and it's for real folks. I can't believe there are Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote. In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot. Guess what, voter participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people get to elect who they want. Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud. Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards voting. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum wrote: I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph g.. United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it suc
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https://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/04/02/1643249/how-to-hack-an-election On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3 > > It just happened and it's for real folks. I can't believe there are > Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote. > > In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot. Guess what, voter > participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people > get to elect who they want. Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud. > > Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards > voting. > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum wrote: > >> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard >> wrote: >> >>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >>> otherwise. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>>> racist. >>>> >>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>>> fine with that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >>>> *To: *"af" >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells >>>> me they require one of the following: >>>> >>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>>Safety (DPS) >>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>>- United States military identification card containing the >>>>person’s photograph >>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>>photograph >>>>- United States passport >>>> >>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >>>> anything inconsistent there. >>>> >>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't >>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06
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Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3 It just happened and it's for real folks. I can't believe there are Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote. In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot. Guess what, voter participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people get to elect who they want. Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud. Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards voting. -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum wrote: > I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they > drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank > account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of > other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about > conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want > voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >> otherwise. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett > > wrote: >> >>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>> racist. >>> >>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>> fine with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >> > >>> *To: *"af" > >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >>> they require one of the following: >>> >>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>Safety (DPS) >>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s >>>photograph >>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>photograph >>>- United States passport >>> >>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >>> anything inconsistent there. >>> >>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't >>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett >> > wrote: >>> >>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >>>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>> >>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud i
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I dont like grinning mexicans, you cant trust them. If theyre grinning theyre going to make you eat something very hot. Never trust a grinning mexican, ever On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > Hahaha. Would that be the iZombie caucus? It’s amazing that more people > voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969. I think the same > caucus is active in Philadelphia also. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID. > > > > *From:* Mathew Howard > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM > > *To:* af > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said > applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about > voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that > vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything > wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as > proving they actually do have the right to vote). > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used > to be Mexico. > > > > *From:* Mathew Howard > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM > > *To:* af > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of > Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they > obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree > with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks > otherwise. > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all > racist. > > Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine > with that. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me > they require one of the following: > >- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety >(DPS) >- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >- United States military identification card containing the person’s >photograph >- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >photograph >- United States passport > > Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see > anything inconsistent there. > > here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there > is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for > the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to > get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I > really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a > citizen to be eligible to vote. > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of > gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that
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The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their > power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant. > On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > >> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. >> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides >> suck because of it. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >> conservative "republican" could ever win. >> >> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >> issued by a state school. >> >> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >> America great?!?! >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>> >>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>> >>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>> illegal immigration. >>> >>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>> >>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the >>> most important thing be any different? >>> >>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>> conversation. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >>> non-issue...PERIOD! >>> >>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >>> Ital
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Hahaha. Would that be the iZombie caucus? It’s amazing that more people voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969. I think the same caucus is active in Philadelphia also. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID. From: Mathew Howard<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM To: af<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as proving they actually do have the right to vote). On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used to be Mexico. From: Mathew Howard<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM To: af<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ____________ From: "Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01
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Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant. On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. > Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides > suck because of it. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Sean Heskett" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of > gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super > conservative "republican" could ever win. > > As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot > of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the > voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal > "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you > need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or > fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was > issued by a state school. > > Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make > America great?!?! > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> "conservative minority" HAH! >> >> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed >> a minority fight for or against most things. >> >> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >> illegal immigration. >> >> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >> >> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the >> most important thing be any different? >> >> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >> conversation. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >> non-issue...PERIOD! >> >> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the >> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans >> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that >> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >> >> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on im
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Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as proving they actually do have the right to vote). On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used to be Mexico. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph g.. United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -------------------------------- From: "Sean Heskett&
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Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it. I tried telling the students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in California to fight for better education. We did same in El Pasotold them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! Guess he did something rightha On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------ *From: *"Mathew Howard" *To: *"af" *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS - United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph - United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph - United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of > gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super > conservative "republican" could ever win. > > As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot > of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the > voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal > "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you > need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or > fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was > issued by a state school. > > Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make > America great?!?! > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> "conservative minority" HAH! >> >> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed >> a minority fight for or against most things. >> >> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >> illegal immigration. >> >> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >> >> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the >> most important thing be any different? >> >> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >> conversation. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwesti
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True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as proving they actually do have the right to vote). On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used > to be Mexico. > > *From:* Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of > Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they > obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree > with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks > otherwise. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >> racist. >> >> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >> fine with that. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >> *To: *"af" >> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >> they require one of the following: >> >>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>Safety (DPS) >>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>- United States military identification card containing the person’s >>photograph >>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>photograph >>- United States passport >> >> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >> anything inconsistent there. >> >> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there >> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for >> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to >> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I >> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a >> citizen to be eligible to vote. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >> >>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>> >>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >>> issued by a state school. >>> >>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >>> America great?!?! >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> On Thursday
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I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of > Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they > obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree > with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks > otherwise. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >> racist. >> >> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >> fine with that. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >> *To: *"af" >> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >> they require one of the following: >> >>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>Safety (DPS) >>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>- United States military identification card containing the person’s >>photograph >>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>photograph >>- United States passport >> >> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >> anything inconsistent there. >> >> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there >> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for >> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to >> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I >> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a >> citizen to be eligible to vote. >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >> >>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>> >>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >>> issued by a state school. >>> >>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >>> America great?!?! >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>> >>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most thi
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Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used to be Mexico. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph g.. United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ------------------------------ From: "Sean Heskett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" menta
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We've been voting for 250 years without theses laws and there has been little to no fraud in person voter fraud. After Obama won all the conservatives enacted voter ID laws that suppress...wait for it...the student and poor vote. If they really were trying to get rid of voter fraud they would focus the laws on absentee ballots where there is known fraud...but that would suppress the elderly vote and they tend to vote for republicans :-/ It will be decided in the courts but we will have to go thru a couple rounds of voting with these laws on the books. If you can't beat em...change the rules! That's what will happen at the republican convention. Rule 40 is gonna go bye bye...but it's their party so they can do what they want as a private org. 2 cents -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard wrote: > While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me > they require one of the following: > >- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety >(DPS) >- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >- United States military identification card containing the person’s >photograph >- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >photograph >- United States passport > > Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see > anything inconsistent there. > > here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there > is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for > the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to > get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I > really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a > citizen to be eligible to vote. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote: > >> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >> conservative "republican" could ever win. >> >> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >> issued by a state school. >> >> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >> America great?!?! >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > > wrote: >> >>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>> >>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>> >>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>> illegal immigration. >>> >>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>> >>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the >>> most important thing be any different? >>> >>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>> conversation. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Sea
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I said Mexicans and put it in quotes because opponents think we're all racists that call everyone brown Mexican. Yes, some do, most don't. My wife is Filipino. She's just as much Mexican as many given that she's brown and her ancestors were conquered by the Spanish, adopting Christianity, a Spanish based language, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:39:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > To: "af" < af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
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Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all > racist. > > Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine > with that. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------ > *From: *"Mathew Howard" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me > they require one of the following: > >- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety >(DPS) >- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >- United States military identification card containing the person’s >photograph >- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >photograph >- United States passport > > Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see > anything inconsistent there. > > here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there > is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for > the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to > get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I > really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a > citizen to be eligible to vote. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > >> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >> conservative "republican" could ever win. >> >> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >> issued by a state school. >> >> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >> America great?!?! >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>> >>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>> >>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>> illegal immigration. >>> >>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>> >>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the >>> most important thing be any different? >>> >>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>> conversation. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com
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Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS * United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph * United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetori
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While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they require one of the following: - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS - United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph - United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph - United States passport Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see anything inconsistent there. here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of > gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super > conservative "republican" could ever win. > > As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot > of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the > voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal > "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you > need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or > fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was > issued by a state school. > > Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make > America great?!?! > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> "conservative minority" HAH! >> >> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed >> a minority fight for or against most things. >> >> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >> illegal immigration. >> >> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >> >> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the >> most important thing be any different? >> >> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >> conversation. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Sean Heskett" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >> non-issue...PERIOD! >> >> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the >> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans >> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that >> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >> >> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have >> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans >> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >> >> As a progressive liberal - yeah
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The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides suck because of it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: "conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. America is already fucking great! Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American politicians act this poorly. 2 cents -Sean On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s attention. Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trum
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The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever win. As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?! -Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: > "conservative minority" HAH! > > Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed > a minority fight for or against most things. > > "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and > illegal immigration. > > If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, > they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. > > You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the > most important thing be any different? > > BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical > conversation. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Sean Heskett" > > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a > non-issue...PERIOD! > > My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked > Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the > same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans > because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south > of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that > time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) > > Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" > mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have > no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans > migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. > > As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a > progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country > being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their > neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to > gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social > security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the > old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. > > I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and > rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. > > What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? > > I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a > million pieces...you reap what you sow. > > America is already fucking great! > > Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American > politicians act this poorly. > > 2 cents > > -Sean > > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall > wrote: > >> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. >> >> >> >> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation >> is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is >> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or >> thrown
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Agreed. At this point all it is doing is alienating people. No one is changing their mind. I haven’t followed this one very much but most of the rest quickly turn personal and cost people respect. There are some discussions, but mostly there are arguments. Both sides are just digging in their heels. Not worth it guys. From: Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 8:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ Maybe use POL instead of OT and I will just filter all of it to my Trash. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Threaded mail clients FTW?! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Jason McKemie" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 8:03:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ It's always had a lot of OT discussion, politics just happens to be a hot topic right now. On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Erich Kaiser wrote: I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to this list? This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it has turned into a political war zone.. This political rhetoric sucks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: Well stated. On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett wrote: "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. America is already fucking great! Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American politicians act this poorly. 2 cents -Sean On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall wrote: Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s attention. Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic
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Yeah but there may be other OT stuff I want to read? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > It comes and goes... > Thus the big ol “OT” in the subject line. That is your cue to not read... > > *From:* Erich Kaiser > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:24 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from > experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to > this list? This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it > has turned into a political war zone.. > > This political rhetoric sucks! > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > Office: 630-621-4804 > Cell: 630-777-9291 > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> Well stated. >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett wrote: >> >>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >>> non-issue...PERIOD! >>> >>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >>> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the >>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans >>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) >>> He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the >>> Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >>> >>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >>> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have >>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans >>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>> >>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being >>> a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country >>> being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their >>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to >>> gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social >>> security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the >>> old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>> >>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and >>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>> >>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>> >>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a >>> million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>> >>> America is already fucking great! >>> >>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American >>> politicians act this poorly. >>> >>> 2 cents >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall wrote: >>> >>>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation >>>> is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is >>>> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or >>>> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. >>>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and >>>> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get >>>> people’s attention. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is >>>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There >>>> IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is >>>> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s >>>> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many >>>> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried >>>> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. >>>> >&
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It comes and goes... Thus the big ol “OT” in the subject line. That is your cue to not read... From: Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to this list? This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it has turned into a political war zone.. This political rhetoric sucks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: Well stated. On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett wrote: "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. America is already fucking great! Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American politicians act this poorly. 2 cents -Sean On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall wrote: Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s attention. Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I still believe in America and its strength and there is been absolutely nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level historically. Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking idiot..oh yes I did http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
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Maybe use POL instead of OT and I will just filter all of it to my Trash. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Threaded mail clients FTW?! > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Jason McKemie" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 8:03:14 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > It's always had a lot of OT discussion, politics just happens to be a hot > topic right now. > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Erich Kaiser > wrote: > >> I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from >> experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to >> this list? This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it >> has turned into a political war zone.. >> >> This political rhetoric sucks! >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> Office: 630-621-4804 >> Cell: 630-777-9291 >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >>> Well stated. >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett wrote: >>> >>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >>>> non-issue...PERIOD! >>>> >>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >>>> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the >>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans >>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that >>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >>>> >>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >>>> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have >>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans >>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>>> >>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of >>>> being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this >>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather >>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they >>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to >>>> win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and >>>> prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>>> >>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and >>>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>>> >>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>>> >>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a >>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>>> >>>> America is already fucking great! >>>> >>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American >>>> politicians act this poorly. >>>> >>>> 2 cents >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall wrote: >>>> >>>>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up >>>>> front. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> However, there is a LO
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Threaded mail clients FTW?! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jason McKemie" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 8:03:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ It's always had a lot of OT discussion, politics just happens to be a hot topic right now. On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com > wrote: I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to this list? This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it has turned into a political war zone.. This political rhetoric sucks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: Well stated. On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. America is already fucking great! Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American politicians act this poorly. 2 cents -Sean On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s attention. Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I still believe in America and its strength and there is been absolutely nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level historically. Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” Paul From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking idiot..oh yes I did http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
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It's always had a lot of OT discussion, politics just happens to be a hot topic right now. On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Erich Kaiser wrote: > I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from > experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to > this list? This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it > has turned into a political war zone.. > > This political rhetoric sucks! > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > > Office: 630-621-4804 > Cell: 630-777-9291 > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > > wrote: > >> Well stated. >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett > > wrote: >> >>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >>> non-issue...PERIOD! >>> >>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >>> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the >>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans >>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that >>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >>> >>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >>> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have >>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans >>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>> >>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being >>> a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country >>> being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their >>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to >>> gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social >>> security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the >>> old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>> >>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and >>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>> >>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>> >>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a >>> million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>> >>> America is already fucking great! >>> >>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American >>> politicians act this poorly. >>> >>> 2 cents >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall wrote: >>> >>>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation >>>> is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is >>>> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or >>>> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. >>>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and >>>> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get >>>> people’s attention. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is >>>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There >>>> IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is >>>> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s >>>> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many >>>> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried >>>> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I >>>> *still >>>> believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely >>>> nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only >>>> further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented >>>> level historically. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers >>>> to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking >>>> idiot..oh yes I did >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >>>> >>> >
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"conservative minority" HAH! Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal immigration. If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most important thing be any different? BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. America is already fucking great! Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American politicians act this poorly. 2 cents -Sean On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s attention. Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I still believe in America and its strength and there is been absolutely nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level historically. Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” Paul From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking idiot..oh yes I did http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
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I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to this list? This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it has turned into a political war zone.. This political rhetoric sucks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Well stated. > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett wrote: > >> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >> non-issue...PERIOD! >> >> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the >> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans >> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that >> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >> >> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have >> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans >> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >> >> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being >> a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country >> being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their >> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to >> gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social >> security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the >> old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >> >> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and >> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >> >> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >> >> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a >> million pieces...you reap what you sow. >> >> America is already fucking great! >> >> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American >> politicians act this poorly. >> >> 2 cents >> >> -Sean >> >> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall wrote: >> >>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. >>> >>> >>> >>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation >>> is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is >>> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or >>> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. >>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and >>> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get >>> people’s attention. >>> >>> >>> >>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is >>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There >>> IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is >>> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s >>> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many >>> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried >>> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. >>> >>> >>> >>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I >>> *still >>> believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely >>> nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only >>> further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented >>> level historically. >>> >>> >>> >>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers >>> to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> >>> >>> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking >>> idiot..oh yes I did >>> >>> >>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >>> >>
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Well stated. On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett wrote: > "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a > non-issue...PERIOD! > > My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked > Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the > same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans > because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south > of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that > time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) > > Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" > mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have > no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans > migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. > > As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a > progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country > being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their > neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to > gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social > security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the > old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. > > I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and > rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. > > What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? > > I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a > million pieces...you reap what you sow. > > America is already fucking great! > > Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American > politicians act this poorly. > > 2 cents > > -Sean > > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall > wrote: > >> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. >> >> >> >> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation >> is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is >> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or >> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. >> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and >> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get >> people’s attention. >> >> >> >> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is >> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There >> IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is >> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s >> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many >> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried >> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. >> >> >> >> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I >> *still >> believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely >> nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only >> further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented >> level historically. >> >> >> >> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers >> to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking >> idiot..oh yes I did >> >> >> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >> >
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"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD! My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. America is already fucking great! Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American politicians act this poorly. 2 cents -Sean On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall wrote: > Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. > > > > However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation is > just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is > bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or > thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. > The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and > having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get > people’s attention. > > > > Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is it > helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS > NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is > crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s > benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many > areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried > in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. > > > > I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I *still > believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely nothing > done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only further > dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level > historically. > > > > Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” > > > > Paul > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Jaime > Solorza > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to > Mexico - WSJ > > > > What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking > idiot..oh yes I did > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >
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As far as Israel's wall working, I think that Sec.-Lt Hadar Goldin, Maj. Benaya Sarel, and St.-Sgt. Liel Gidoni would beg to differ. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > Why not study Isreal. I think they have a wall and i think they believe it > works. Obviously a lot shorter than our border but the premise is the > same. I think Russia built a short wall that worked well for a while in > Germany somewhere. I am not saying a wall is the solution, just that there > are modem examples of them doing so. > > I think I'd you shoot everyone who cruised when their foot hit the dirt on > the US side it would probably deter a lot of people. I doubt that would be > acceptable though. But again, i thought we were discussing things that > would work. > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 11:49 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> The saddest part Paul is that many including Trump slept through history >> class. How much money have we spent on drug war and building the Tortilla >> Curtain? Millions? Billions? Do you remember a feeble attempt to put >> righteous religious beliefs of a few and hope to stop people from drinking >> adult beverages? Hell not only did it not work...it allowed another >> industry to flourish..organized crime If American companies, ranchers >> and farmers didn't hire illegal immigrants they would go home, of course >> not before they sold drugs and raped all our women according to chicken >> shit Trump if our American youth didn't crave and buy drugs the >> cartels would find new markets.There is no simple solution to >> immigration. many Americans don't want to work in hot sun and fields at >> even 15.00 an hour. Many Americans don't want to work in highway >> construction either so companies hire those who want to work including >> Trump...visit his place in Vegas...a wall will not work...it is like >> spitting at Heaven. Study about Hannibal, Wall of China, Navarrone, >> etc.If someone needs to get over or through it, they will. I stand by >> what I wrote...Trump is a fucking idiot. >> On Apr 6, 2016 9:44 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: >> >>> You are dead on. I don’t know what Trump will do. I do know what >>> Hillary and Cruz will do. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:40 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> >>> >>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. >>> >>> >>> >>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation >>> is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is >>> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or >>> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. >>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and >>> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get >>> people’s attention. >>> >>> >>> >>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is >>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There >>> IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is >>> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s >>> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many >>> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried >>> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. >>> >>> >>> >>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I >>> *still >>> believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely >>> nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only >>> further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented >>> level historically. >>> >>> >>> >>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >>> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers >>> to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> >>> >>> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking >>> idiot..oh yes I did >>> >>> >>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >>> >>
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Yes back when you and I were pups in school we learned about atrocities done by conquistadores and yes some zealous Franciscan monks they sanitize it down now in history books...if are a native American, Columbus and the rest that followed are exactly heroes in their eyes...same for Pilgrims in east and later expansion west by Americanshell we still treat them poorly in many areaswe practically eradicated themthis is not taught in depth anymore. On Apr 6, 2016 7:18 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > Now Jaimie, you really don't believe that Texas is the only ones to state > that Columbus discovered the Americasdo you? I don't think sesame Street > was produced in Texas. I think you need to adjust you bias a tad. I went to > school here and was educated to great extent on the ravages the Spanish > wrought on the new world. > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 12:56 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Back when folks were celebrating 500th year since Columbus invaded.. oops >> sorry Texas Board of Education... I meant Discovered America, a friend of >> mind wrote an editorial about the oxymoron play on celebrating tragic >> discovery. It open New World to Europe at expense and almost total >> annihilation of natives already here for thousands of years. So our >> ancestors from Europe were invaders much more than explorers. I guess we >> feel Mexicans and >> Others are invadersinteresting... >> >> n Apr 6, 2016 11:33 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > If physical control of the border is obtained, ICE and border patrol >> resources can be shifted to immingration and naturalization service. In a >> production facility, you would be ignorant to build a state of the art, >> highly efficient assembly plant, if there are no doors or roof >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Jaime Solorza < >> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Moral compass in WWll time frame? Are we reading the same history >> books or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of >> EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese >> Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which >> was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize >> it. I know many want to and have revised it. We needed a wall in the >> ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things >> upChief Pocasganas.. >> >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> We are our own worst enemy since World War II. Back then we had the >> moral compass and fortitude to do it right. What we have for politicians >> today and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting >> for is simply an embarrassment. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Rory >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM >> >>> To: af >> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread >> democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: Mathew Howard >> >>> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM >> >>> >> >>> To: af >> >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing >> Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem >> pretty happy with Putin. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> He has been stealing money for a long time. What do you think >> happens if the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked >> to cut back further. Especially if they release how many billions and how >> many yachts he owns? >> >>>&g
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Now Jaimie, you really don't believe that Texas is the only ones to state that Columbus discovered the Americasdo you? I don't think sesame Street was produced in Texas. I think you need to adjust you bias a tad. I went to school here and was educated to great extent on the ravages the Spanish wrought on the new world. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 12:56 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Back when folks were celebrating 500th year since Columbus invaded.. oops > sorry Texas Board of Education... I meant Discovered America, a friend of > mind wrote an editorial about the oxymoron play on celebrating tragic > discovery. It open New World to Europe at expense and almost total > annihilation of natives already here for thousands of years. So our > ancestors from Europe were invaders much more than explorers. I guess we > feel Mexicans and > Others are invadersinteresting... > > n Apr 6, 2016 11:33 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" > wrote: > > > > If physical control of the border is obtained, ICE and border patrol > resources can be shifted to immingration and naturalization service. In a > production facility, you would be ignorant to build a state of the art, > highly efficient assembly plant, if there are no doors or roof > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Jaime Solorza < > losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Moral compass in WWll time frame? Are we reading the same history > books or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of > EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese > Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which > was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize > it. I know many want to and have revised it. We needed a wall in the > ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things > upChief Pocasganas.. > >> > >> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >>> > >>> We are our own worst enemy since World War II. Back then we had the > moral compass and fortitude to do it right. What we have for politicians > today and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting > for is simply an embarrassment. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Rory > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM > >>> To: af > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread > democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Mathew Howard > >>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM > >>> > >>> To: af > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing > Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem > pretty happy with Putin. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> He has been stealing money for a long time. What do you think > happens if the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked > to cut back further. Especially if they release how many billions and how > many yachts he owns? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rory > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM > >>>> To: af > >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> But... why? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information > to the public. We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids. > >>>>> > >>>&
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I agree...we are not perfect but still best place to live for me. But I hear Denmark is cool place... On Apr 6, 2016 7:11 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > And yet stopped the axis of evil. America was never all good or all bad > nor will, hopefully,will it ever be. > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 12:29 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Moral compass in WWll time frame? Are we reading the same history books >> or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of >> EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese >> Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which >> was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize >> it. I know many want to and have revised it. We needed a wall in the >> ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things >> upChief Pocasganas.. >> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: >> >>> We are our own worst enemy since World War II. Back then we had the >>> moral compass and fortitude to do it right. What we have for politicians >>> today and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting >>> for is simply an embarrassment. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM >>> *To:* af >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> >>> >>> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread >>> democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM >>> >>> *To:* af >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> >>> >>> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing >>> Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem >>> pretty happy with Putin. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway >>> wrote: >>> >>> He has been stealing money for a long time. What do you think happens >>> if the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut >>> back further. Especially if they release how many billions and how many >>> yachts he owns? >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM >>> *To:* af >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> >>> >>> But... why? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway >>> wrote: >>> >>> On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to >>> the public. We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers >>> to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low >>> tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession. Kind of >>> admirable. Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or >>> tank, and doesn't really care. Remember it's a dictatorship. What >>> credibility does a dictator need? Only that his bad asses are badder >>> than his threats bad asses. Anyone who is running for the pres is >>> going to be insulated from those financial transactions. Even so don't >>> forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped.. >>> >>> On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>> > Because it's very likely just as many US politicians and senior >>> > intelligence administration is just as guilty? :P >>> > >>> > Can't rock the boat too much or you end up like what Iceland is going >
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And yet stopped the axis of evil. America was never all good or all bad nor will, hopefully,will it ever be. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 12:29 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Moral compass in WWll time frame? Are we reading the same history books > or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of > EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese > Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which > was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize > it. I know many want to and have revised it. We needed a wall in the > ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things > upChief Pocasganas.. > On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >> We are our own worst enemy since World War II. Back then we had the >> moral compass and fortitude to do it right. What we have for politicians >> today and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting >> for is simply an embarrassment. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread >> democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started. >> >> >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM >> >> *To:* af >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing >> Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem >> pretty happy with Putin. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> He has been stealing money for a long time. What do you think happens if >> the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut >> back further. Especially if they release how many billions and how many >> yachts he owns? >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> But... why? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to the >> public. We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids. >> >> Rory >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers >> to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low >> tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession. Kind of >> admirable. Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or >> tank, and doesn't really care. Remember it's a dictatorship. What >> credibility does a dictator need? Only that his bad asses are badder >> than his threats bad asses. Anyone who is running for the pres is >> going to be insulated from those financial transactions. Even so don't >> forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped.. >> >> On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> > Because it's very likely just as many US politicians and senior >> > intelligence administration is just as guilty? :P >> > >> > Can't rock the boat too much or you end up like what Iceland is going >> > through right now (and good for them, btw). >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >> I have wondered for years why the CIA or NSA didn't just use this >> information to destroy the credibility of dictators like Putin. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:43 AM >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Subject:
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I am voting for the cookie monster from sesame Street as he makes a lot more sense and had the best foreign policy experience. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 11:53 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > I am rooting for Bernie. I am not a democrat or a socialist, but I can > live with an unapologetic one for the next 4 years instead of the others. > > *From:* Rory Conaway > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:49 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > He has been stealing money for a long time. What do you think happens if > the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut > back further. Especially if they release how many billions and how many > yachts he owns? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM > *To:* af > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > But... why? > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to the > public. We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids. > > Rory > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers > to Mexico - WSJ > > Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low > tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession. Kind of > admirable. Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or > tank, and doesn't really care. Remember it's a dictatorship. What > credibility does a dictator need? Only that his bad asses are badder > than his threats bad asses. Anyone who is running for the pres is > going to be insulated from those financial transactions. Even so don't > forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped.. > > On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Because it's very likely just as many US politicians and senior > > intelligence administration is just as guilty? :P > > > > Can't rock the boat too much or you end up like what Iceland is going > > through right now (and good for them, btw). > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >> I have wondered for years why the CIA or NSA didn't just use this > information to destroy the credibility of dictators like Putin. > >> > >> Rory > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:43 AM > >> To: af@afmug.com > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > >> > >> I am incredibly interested to see if Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and/or > Hillary Clinton / Clinton Foundation have bits about them in the Panama > Papers. That could have a very interesting and lasting impact on this > election. > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Paul McCall wrote: > >>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up > front. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The > >>> negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts > >>> this process and is bound and determined to make it happen, > >>> extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the > bow), and then adjustments get made. > >>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, > >>> and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that > >>> takes) will get people’s attention. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. > Is it > >>> helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. > There IS > >>> NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. > >>> Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for > >>> everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs > >>> action in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to > >>> do anything that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power > or all of the above. > >>> >
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Why not study Isreal. I think they have a wall and i think they believe it works. Obviously a lot shorter than our border but the premise is the same. I think Russia built a short wall that worked well for a while in Germany somewhere. I am not saying a wall is the solution, just that there are modem examples of them doing so. I think I'd you shoot everyone who cruised when their foot hit the dirt on the US side it would probably deter a lot of people. I doubt that would be acceptable though. But again, i thought we were discussing things that would work. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 11:49 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > The saddest part Paul is that many including Trump slept through history > class. How much money have we spent on drug war and building the Tortilla > Curtain? Millions? Billions? Do you remember a feeble attempt to put > righteous religious beliefs of a few and hope to stop people from drinking > adult beverages? Hell not only did it not work...it allowed another > industry to flourish..organized crime If American companies, ranchers > and farmers didn't hire illegal immigrants they would go home, of course > not before they sold drugs and raped all our women according to chicken > shit Trump if our American youth didn't crave and buy drugs the > cartels would find new markets.There is no simple solution to > immigration. many Americans don't want to work in hot sun and fields at > even 15.00 an hour. Many Americans don't want to work in highway > construction either so companies hire those who want to work including > Trump...visit his place in Vegas...a wall will not work...it is like > spitting at Heaven. Study about Hannibal, Wall of China, Navarrone, > etc.If someone needs to get over or through it, they will. I stand by > what I wrote...Trump is a fucking idiot. > On Apr 6, 2016 9:44 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >> You are dead on. I don’t know what Trump will do. I do know what >> Hillary and Cruz will do. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:40 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. >> >> >> >> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation >> is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is >> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or >> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. >> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and >> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get >> people’s attention. >> >> >> >> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is >> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There >> IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is >> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s >> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many >> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried >> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. >> >> >> >> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I >> *still >> believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely >> nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only >> further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented >> level historically. >> >> >> >> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers >> to Mexico - WSJ >> >> >> >> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking >> idiot..oh yes I did >> >> >> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >> >
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They won't eat Mexicanstoo damn spicy from jalapenoes and Tequila.will give them heartburnplus in El Paso, the water rarely hits Rio; diverted to American Canal System which is designed to move water fast and drowned 12 first year it was opened. Now Border Patrol has safety lines and life savers strategically located. Believe it or not, they are human...(read that as you wish) Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote: > Why not just stock the Rio Grande River with alligators. Game over I > win……. > > > > Steve B. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy > /sarcasm > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:33 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > If physical control of the border is obtained, ICE and border patrol > resources can be shifted to immingration and naturalization service. In a > production facility, you would be ignorant to build a state of the art, > highly efficient assembly plant, if there are no doors or roof > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: > > Moral compass in WWll time frame? Are we reading the same history books > or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of > EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese > Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which > was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize > it. I know many want to and have revised it. We needed a wall in the > ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things > upChief Pocasganas.. > > On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > > We are our own worst enemy since World War II. Back then we had the moral > compass and fortitude to do it right. What we have for politicians today > and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting for > is simply an embarrassment. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread > democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started. > > > > *From:* Mathew Howard > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM > > *To:* af > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing > Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem > pretty happy with Putin. > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > He has been stealing money for a long time. What do you think happens if > the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut > back further. Especially if they release how many billions and how many > yachts he owns? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > But... why? > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > > On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to the > public. We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids. > > Rory > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers > to Mexico - WSJ > > Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low > tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession. Kind of > admirable. Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or > tank, and doesn't really care. Remember it's a dictatorship. What > credibility does a dictator need? Only that his bad asses are badder > than his threats bad asses. Anyone who is running for the pres is > going to be insulated from those financial transactions. Even so don't > forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped.. > > On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Because it's very likely just as many US politicians and senior > >