Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Josh Reynolds]

AR platform is interesting just because of the sheer variations. 12in
barrel, 22 in barrel, folding stock, fixed stock, pistol grip, grenade
launcher, underslung breeching shotgun, cqb sights, magnifiers, long range
optics, cartridge variations (.22 to .50), IR pointers, IR illuminators,
etc.

Tavor works well for CQB (short) without sacrificing velocity, which is why
the IDF like it so much.

On Feb 20, 2017 5:51 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

Yea.  Mine has a thermal sight and a holographic. By far the best rifle for
that type of use.  And I fired just about everything the USMC had. If
course we didn't have the M4 them but that doesn't seem that impressive to
me.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 5:19 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Tavor is a nice bullpup...
>
> On Feb 20, 2017 5:00 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> That's funny because in my moving I packed up my Israeli Tavor and my
> shotguns.  Yesterday as we were packing up a couple of the other bedrooms
> my wife found 3 guns I forgot I had.
>
> So I Probably forgot I had more guns than you.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 10:21 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> At least 2.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/20/2017 8:01 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> And a gun
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> with a gun rack.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/18/2017 2:19 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> That's one thing about living in texas. Everyone had a truck
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 1:46 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> That's the worst thing about being "the one" with the truck in a circle of
> friends. Everyone starts thinking your middle name is Bekins.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/18/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I hate moving... I had a sticker on my truck... "Yes, this is my truck.
> NO,  I am not going to help you move!! ".  Someone tore it off.. My
> daughter bought new house last summer I helped move stuff and connected
> all her electronic devices Even marking boxes ,things disappear for a
> few weeks...
>
> On Feb 18, 2017 12:30 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Good,. Sold my house. In the middle of moving.  Big bummer.
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 7:34 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Good morning Lewis,  the coffee is ready,  I added some cinnamon to it,
> Bacon on stove Making breakfast for wife... She works today,  I have to
> stay home with contractors when they arrive at 9 how's your morning?
>
> On Feb 18, 2017 6:04 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Sorry again.
>
> I don't think there will be any rail jobs lost. I know some people in the
> rail business and there is a pretty large backlog. Not that they are happy
> about taking freight of their books but I seriously doubt they will lau
> people off.  The biggest reason is that their cost to lay their people of
> is quite large.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 8:39 PM Robert  wrote:
>
> I think the points on oil you make are valid.   Your point that I have
> no clue, is a personal attack a) in that you have no idea who I am b)
> you have no idea of what I know or how I might know what I profess to
> know.
>
> You may debate that there are two factions controlling this effort and
> their motives but that isn't what you said.   And that is what I am
> trying to get you and others to understand.  This situation is exactly
> about what method to transport and the profits of those methods.   Obama
> was backed by railroaders and trump is aligned with pipers.. I don't
> think he is "backed" but the partners he plays with are in the other
> camp.   And the number of railroad workers put out of work by this
> pipeline isn't being considered by trump and after construction, it's
> similar to the other side.
>
> On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no
> > clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that
> > statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you
> are.
> >
> > I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize.
> > It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the
> > conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party
> > factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also
> > translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each
> > of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline
> > because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight
> > as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline
> > because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time
> > about how gov gets in the way of business.
> >
> > In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Lewis Bergman]

Yea.  Mine has a thermal sight and a holographic. By far the best rifle for
that type of use.  And I fired just about everything the USMC had. If
course we didn't have the M4 them but that doesn't seem that impressive to
me.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 5:19 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Tavor is a nice bullpup...
>
> On Feb 20, 2017 5:00 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> That's funny because in my moving I packed up my Israeli Tavor and my
> shotguns.  Yesterday as we were packing up a couple of the other bedrooms
> my wife found 3 guns I forgot I had.
>
> So I Probably forgot I had more guns than you.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 10:21 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> At least 2.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/20/2017 8:01 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> And a gun
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> with a gun rack.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/18/2017 2:19 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> That's one thing about living in texas. Everyone had a truck
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 1:46 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> That's the worst thing about being "the one" with the truck in a circle of
> friends. Everyone starts thinking your middle name is Bekins.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/18/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I hate moving... I had a sticker on my truck... "Yes, this is my truck.
> NO,  I am not going to help you move!! ".  Someone tore it off.. My
> daughter bought new house last summer I helped move stuff and connected
> all her electronic devices Even marking boxes ,things disappear for a
> few weeks...
>
> On Feb 18, 2017 12:30 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Good,. Sold my house. In the middle of moving.  Big bummer.
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 7:34 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Good morning Lewis,  the coffee is ready,  I added some cinnamon to it,
> Bacon on stove Making breakfast for wife... She works today,  I have to
> stay home with contractors when they arrive at 9 how's your morning?
>
> On Feb 18, 2017 6:04 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Sorry again.
>
> I don't think there will be any rail jobs lost. I know some people in the
> rail business and there is a pretty large backlog. Not that they are happy
> about taking freight of their books but I seriously doubt they will lau
> people off.  The biggest reason is that their cost to lay their people of
> is quite large.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 8:39 PM Robert  wrote:
>
> I think the points on oil you make are valid.   Your point that I have
> no clue, is a personal attack a) in that you have no idea who I am b)
> you have no idea of what I know or how I might know what I profess to
> know.
>
> You may debate that there are two factions controlling this effort and
> their motives but that isn't what you said.   And that is what I am
> trying to get you and others to understand.  This situation is exactly
> about what method to transport and the profits of those methods.   Obama
> was backed by railroaders and trump is aligned with pipers.. I don't
> think he is "backed" but the partners he plays with are in the other
> camp.   And the number of railroad workers put out of work by this
> pipeline isn't being considered by trump and after construction, it's
> similar to the other side.
>
> On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no
> > clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that
> > statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you
> are.
> >
> > I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize.
> > It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the
> > conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party
> > factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also
> > translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each
> > of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline
> > because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight
> > as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline
> > because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time
> > about how gov gets in the way of business.
> >
> > In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal
> > would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of
> > those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because
> > literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date,
> > it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the
> > issue will take care of itself.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert  > > wrote:
> >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Josh Reynolds]

Tavor is a nice bullpup...

On Feb 20, 2017 5:00 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> That's funny because in my moving I packed up my Israeli Tavor and my
> shotguns.  Yesterday as we were packing up a couple of the other bedrooms
> my wife found 3 guns I forgot I had.
>
> So I Probably forgot I had more guns than you.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 10:21 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> At least 2.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/2017 8:01 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> And a gun
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> with a gun rack.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/18/2017 2:19 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> That's one thing about living in texas. Everyone had a truck
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 1:46 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> That's the worst thing about being "the one" with the truck in a circle
>> of friends. Everyone starts thinking your middle name is Bekins.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/18/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> I hate moving... I had a sticker on my truck... "Yes, this is my truck.
>> NO,  I am not going to help you move!! ".  Someone tore it off.. My
>> daughter bought new house last summer I helped move stuff and connected
>> all her electronic devices Even marking boxes ,things disappear for a
>> few weeks...
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2017 12:30 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good,. Sold my house. In the middle of moving.  Big bummer.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 7:34 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning Lewis,  the coffee is ready,  I added some cinnamon to it,
>> Bacon on stove Making breakfast for wife... She works today,  I have to
>> stay home with contractors when they arrive at 9 how's your morning?
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2017 6:04 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry again.
>>
>> I don't think there will be any rail jobs lost. I know some people in the
>> rail business and there is a pretty large backlog. Not that they are happy
>> about taking freight of their books but I seriously doubt they will lau
>> people off.  The biggest reason is that their cost to lay their people of
>> is quite large.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 8:39 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>> I think the points on oil you make are valid.   Your point that I have
>> no clue, is a personal attack a) in that you have no idea who I am b)
>> you have no idea of what I know or how I might know what I profess to
>> know.
>>
>> You may debate that there are two factions controlling this effort and
>> their motives but that isn't what you said.   And that is what I am
>> trying to get you and others to understand.  This situation is exactly
>> about what method to transport and the profits of those methods.   Obama
>> was backed by railroaders and trump is aligned with pipers.. I don't
>> think he is "backed" but the partners he plays with are in the other
>> camp.   And the number of railroad workers put out of work by this
>> pipeline isn't being considered by trump and after construction, it's
>> similar to the other side.
>>
>> On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> > I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no
>> > clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that
>> > statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you
>> are.
>> >
>> > I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize.
>> > It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the
>> > conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party
>> > factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also
>> > translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each
>> > of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline
>> > because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight
>> > as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline
>> > because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time
>> > about how gov gets in the way of business.
>> >
>> > In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal
>> > would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of
>> > those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because
>> > literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date,
>> > it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the
>> > issue will take care of itself.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Ok, Lewis,
>> > Shift to a personal attack.
>> >
>> > I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this
>> > enviro whacko
>> > stuff.  And the There is 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Lewis Bergman]

That's funny because in my moving I packed up my Israeli Tavor and my
shotguns.  Yesterday as we were packing up a couple of the other bedrooms
my wife found 3 guns I forgot I had.

So I Probably forgot I had more guns than you.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 10:21 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> At least 2.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/20/2017 8:01 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> And a gun
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> with a gun rack.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/18/2017 2:19 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> That's one thing about living in texas. Everyone had a truck
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 1:46 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> That's the worst thing about being "the one" with the truck in a circle of
> friends. Everyone starts thinking your middle name is Bekins.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/18/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I hate moving... I had a sticker on my truck... "Yes, this is my truck.
> NO,  I am not going to help you move!! ".  Someone tore it off.. My
> daughter bought new house last summer I helped move stuff and connected
> all her electronic devices Even marking boxes ,things disappear for a
> few weeks...
>
> On Feb 18, 2017 12:30 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Good,. Sold my house. In the middle of moving.  Big bummer.
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 7:34 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Good morning Lewis,  the coffee is ready,  I added some cinnamon to it,
> Bacon on stove Making breakfast for wife... She works today,  I have to
> stay home with contractors when they arrive at 9 how's your morning?
>
> On Feb 18, 2017 6:04 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Sorry again.
>
> I don't think there will be any rail jobs lost. I know some people in the
> rail business and there is a pretty large backlog. Not that they are happy
> about taking freight of their books but I seriously doubt they will lau
> people off.  The biggest reason is that their cost to lay their people of
> is quite large.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 8:39 PM Robert  wrote:
>
> I think the points on oil you make are valid.   Your point that I have
> no clue, is a personal attack a) in that you have no idea who I am b)
> you have no idea of what I know or how I might know what I profess to
> know.
>
> You may debate that there are two factions controlling this effort and
> their motives but that isn't what you said.   And that is what I am
> trying to get you and others to understand.  This situation is exactly
> about what method to transport and the profits of those methods.   Obama
> was backed by railroaders and trump is aligned with pipers.. I don't
> think he is "backed" but the partners he plays with are in the other
> camp.   And the number of railroad workers put out of work by this
> pipeline isn't being considered by trump and after construction, it's
> similar to the other side.
>
> On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no
> > clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that
> > statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you
> are.
> >
> > I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize.
> > It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the
> > conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party
> > factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also
> > translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each
> > of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline
> > because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight
> > as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline
> > because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time
> > about how gov gets in the way of business.
> >
> > In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal
> > would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of
> > those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because
> > literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date,
> > it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the
> > issue will take care of itself.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert  > > wrote:
> >
> > Ok, Lewis,
> > Shift to a personal attack.
> >
> > I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this
> > enviro whacko
> > stuff.  And the There is $$ that is funneled into that from those
> that
> > have that in spades.  As there is money that is funneled into the
> other
> > side.  That's the money that the Indians are getting.   Yes Buffett
> > benefits from 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jay Weekley]

name of creating jobs...
Same with pipe line. Short
> >  > sighted Our mother has
been raped and left to die in
> >  disgrace..
> >  > Stock market will do what it
does in long run with or
> without help
> >  > of Afraid of his Shadow, 
Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

> > >
> >  > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM,
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<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
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> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com
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> > >
> >  > FWIW, my investment
advisor just recommended moving
> out of
> >  >  individual stocks and into
managed funds of mixed
> bonds and
> >  >  equities, as well as
emphasizing Europe. Evidently
> their
> >  > analysts believe we are
into a bubble in US stock
> prices and
> >  > that President Agent
Orange is likely to mess
> something up but
> >  > no way to predict what
it will be and hedge against
> it.
> > >
> >  > __ __
> > >
> >  > __ __
> > >
> >  >  *From:*Af
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Lewis Bergman]

> benefits
> > when coal starts getting transported in larger amounts.   Koch
> brothers
> > still have huge investments in the pipeline infrastructure in the US.
> > Go back 20 years ago and it was estimated that they had direct and
> > indirect control of 80 percent of buried pipeline in the US.   They
> have
> > decreased investment into pipelines greatly.  But are still in the
> game
> > in a major way.
> >
> >
> https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game-keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/
> >
> >
> > On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > > Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look
> > at the
> > > reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not
> > saying
> > > Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers
> > have as
> > > little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The
> > > current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its
> based on
> > > low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating
> > jobs.
> > >
> > > In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for
> > > moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great
> > UNTIL a
> > > pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the
> last
> > > couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no
> standing
> > > in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or
> > might
> > > not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe
> > request
> > > on what they think they can get out of you.
> > > I know...not politically correct. So what.
> > >
> > > Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is
> > what got
> > > us where we are today.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is
> > profiting
> > > from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
> > > brothers...   Got it?
> > >
> > > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > > > Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via
> > train is
> > > safer
> > > > and has less a footprint?
> > > >
> > > > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
> > > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> >>
> > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
> > ability to
> > > > do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots...
> > Repeal
> > > > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams
> and
> > > forest in
> > > > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line.
> Short
> > > > sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
> > > disgrace..
> > > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or
> > without help
> > > > of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
> > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

If you look
>> > at the
>> > > reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not
>> > saying
>> > > Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers
>> > have as
>> > > little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The
>> > > current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its
>> based on
>> > > low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating
>> > jobs.
>> > >
>> > > In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for
>> > > moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great
>> > UNTIL a
>> > > pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the
>> last
>> > > couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no
>> standing
>> > > in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or
>> > might
>> > > not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe
>> > request
>> > > on what they think they can get out of you.
>> > > I know...not politically correct. So what.
>> > >
>> > > Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is
>> > what got
>> > > us where we are today.
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
>> > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is
>> > profiting
>> > > from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
>> > > brothers...   Got it?
>> > >
>> > > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> > > > Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via
>> > train is
>> > > safer
>> > > > and has less a footprint?
>> > > >
>> > > > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
>> > > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
>> > ability to
>> > > > do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots...
>> > Repeal
>> > > > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams
>> and
>> > > forest in
>> > > > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line.
>> Short
>> > > > sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
>> > > disgrace..
>> > > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or
>> > without help
>> > > > of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>> > > >
>> > > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
>> > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving
>> > out of
>> > > > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed
>> > bonds and
>> > > > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently
>> > their
>> > > > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock
>> > prices and
>> > > > th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Lewis Bergman]

ing oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great
> > UNTIL a
> > > pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the
> last
> > > couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no
> standing
> > > in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or
> > might
> > > not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe
> > request
> > > on what they think they can get out of you.
> > > I know...not politically correct. So what.
> > >
> > > Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is
> > what got
> > > us where we are today.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is
> > profiting
> > > from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
> > > brothers...   Got it?
> > >
> > > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > > > Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via
> > train is
> > > safer
> > > > and has less a footprint?
> > > >
> > > > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
> > > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> >>
> > > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
> > ability to
> > > > do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots...
> > Repeal
> > > > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams
> and
> > > forest in
> > > > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line.
> Short
> > > > sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
> > > disgrace..
> > > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or
> > without help
> > > > of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
> > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving
> > out of
> > > > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed
> > bonds and
> > > > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently
> > their
> > > > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock
> > prices and
> > > > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
> > something up but
> > > > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > __ __
> > > >
> > > > __ __
> > > >
> > > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
> > > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>>]
> > *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> >  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I share all my food with my kids. My daughter in particular is a little
foodie.but the few times I lay my hands on authentic real tamales, always
made by a Mexican aunt, I hoard them, I'll eat them in the dark in a closet
with the door shut.

On Feb 17, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> OK.. Deal
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 6:40 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A real tamale recipe, but it can only come from a Mexican aunt (they're
>> the only ones who truly know how to make them) with clear gringo
>> preparation instructions, from sourcing the right ingredients to how old of
>> a pan to use. If I have this, I might say Fuck Trump and drink tecate
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 5:00 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Or Awesome?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 4:17 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> Only if it is fabulous
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is he channeling Shep Smith?
>>
>>
>>
>> Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the
>> meatloaf, like Christie.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>>
>>
>>
>> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
>>
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage
>> in attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
>> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
>> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
>> jewing
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>>
>> Denial
>>
>> Anger
>>
>> Bargaining
>>
>> Depression
>>
>> Acceptance
>>
>>
>>
>> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> Tropical anal mist.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
>> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
>> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
>> racist
>>
>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>> being recorded
>>
>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
>> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

n my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or
>> might
>> > not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe
>> request
>> > on what they think they can get out of you.
>> > I know...not politically correct. So what.
>> >
>> > Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is
>> what got
>> > us where we are today.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
>> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is
>> profiting
>> > from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
>> > brothers...   Got it?
>> >
>> > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> > > Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via
>> train is
>> > safer
>> > > and has less a footprint?
>> > >
>> > > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
>> > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
>> ability to
>> > > do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots...
>> Repeal
>> > > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and
>> > forest in
>> > > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line.
>> Short
>> > > sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
>> > disgrace..
>> > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or
>> without help
>> > > of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>> > >
>> > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
>> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving
>> out of
>> > >     individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed
>> bonds and
>> > > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently
>> their
>> > > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock
>> prices and
>> > > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
>> something up but
>> > > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against
>> it.
>> > >
>> > > __ __
>> > >
>> > > __ __
>> > >
>> > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
>> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
>> > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
>> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>> > > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
>> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama
>> > admin...
>> > >
>> > &g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Robert]

gt;
> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via
train is
> safer
> > and has less a footprint?
> >
> > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >
> > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
ability to
> > do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots...
Repeal
> > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and
> forest in
> > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
> > sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
> disgrace..
> > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or
without help
> > of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
> >
> > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving
out of
> > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed
bonds and
> > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently
their
> > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock
prices and
> > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
something up but
> > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against
it.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>>]
*On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama
> admin...
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > We will survive him.  I really like what the stock
market is
> > doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
> > exploding.  All good stuff.  
> >
> >  
> >
> > I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I
do enjoy
> > seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
> > unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with
machine gun
> > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change
> things.
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he
read some
> > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we
have to pass
> > the bill so you can find out what’s in it
comment”...  Would
> > have been a good rejoinder.  
> >
> >  
> >
> > Just so he does not start another shooting war...
> >
> >  
> >
> > *From:*Adam Moffett 
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
> >
> > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

OK.. Deal

On Feb 17, 2017 6:40 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> A real tamale recipe, but it can only come from a Mexican aunt (they're
> the only ones who truly know how to make them) with clear gringo
> preparation instructions, from sourcing the right ingredients to how old of
> a pan to use. If I have this, I might say Fuck Trump and drink tecate
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 5:00 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Or Awesome?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 4:17 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Only if it is fabulous
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Is he channeling Shep Smith?
>
>
>
> Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf,
> like Christie.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>
>
>
> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
> attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
> jewing
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>
>
>
> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>
> Denial
>
> Anger
>
> Bargaining
>
> Depression
>
> Acceptance
>
>
>
> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Tropical anal mist.
>
>
>
> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>
>
>
> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
> racist
>
> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
> being recorded
>
> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC wa

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

A real tamale recipe, but it can only come from a Mexican aunt (they're the
only ones who truly know how to make them) with clear gringo preparation
instructions, from sourcing the right ingredients to how old of a pan to
use. If I have this, I might say Fuck Trump and drink tecate

On Feb 17, 2017 5:00 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

Or Awesome?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 4:17 PM
*To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



Only if it is fabulous



On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

Is he channeling Shep Smith?



Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf,
like Christie.





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?



Then we know we hit a milestone.



*From:* Jaime Solorza

*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM

*To:* Animal Farm

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump



On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
jewing



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.



I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance



I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...



*From:* Josh Reynolds

*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



Tropical anal mist.



Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.



I'm not offended, I'm impressed.



On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad



On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
racist

She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters
and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded

She would be a great reporter for the onion





On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.



*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm

*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
their presence as an entity.



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  The
tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if
he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
not intentionally excluding them.



That's the danger of being a wise-ass.









-- Ori

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I have a link, never was great, but the numbers were spot in when I
installed it, sent the guys out to raise it, turns out they must have spent
the day blowing each other and cuddling because when we paid to have a guy
come test the output at the radios, the feedhorns and test the leads, it
was still at the original height. .. . Ughh... But turns out there are 3 of
these centerline in the path and 2 in the Fresnel. I'm glad the taxes we
pay to put these environmental disasters in to run less than 25 percent of
the time at least serve the purpose of Fucking up links

On Feb 17, 2017 4:55 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:

The worst part for me is the freaking eye-sore these things create. I drive
a couple times a year from Fort Worth to Taos, NM and west Texas is
littered with these things as far as the eye can see. Looks like shit and
half of them are never even spinning. I'd much rather see the boring
prairie than these things. But, it's not my land so I can't complain too
much. I sure wouldn't want to live nearby though. The are somewhat noisy.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in that
> language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore the
> land, and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and
> concrete blocks to clean up.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>
>
>
> The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year
> renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the
> calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30
> years. There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal,
> going into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will
> return the property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
>
> The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it
> when I looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something
> with that much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe
> it just means it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
> > "
> >
> > Summary of the calculations
> >
> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> > solar.
> >
> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
> >
> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
> >
> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> > bit too high for wind power.
> >
> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
> >
> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> >> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to
> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
> >>
> >> If you watch th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Justin Wilson]

This is from Andy at Bridgemaxx.

In all cases, they would be riding along customer traffic, so probably only a 
few hundred mbps available .. 104.37.102.206  speedtest / bridgemaxx



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep between 1 10 and 1 20 past Ft
> Stockton there are thousands of them 
> ..
> 
> On Feb 17, 2017 3:55 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com 
> <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
> The worst part for me is the freaking eye-sore these things create. I drive a 
> couple times a year from Fort Worth to Taos, NM and west Texas is littered 
> with these things as far as the eye can see. Looks like shit and half of them 
> are never even spinning. I'd much rather see the boring prairie than these 
> things. But, it's not my land so I can't complain too much. I sure wouldn't 
> want to live nearby though. The are somewhat noisy. 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in that 
> language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore the 
> land, and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and 
> concrete blocks to clean up.
> 
>  
> 
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> 
>  
> 
> The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year 
> renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the 
> calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30 years. 
> There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal, going 
> into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will return the 
> property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
> 
> The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it when I 
> looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something with that 
> much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe it just means 
> it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> 
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> > "
> >
> > Summary of the calculations
> >
> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> > solar.
> >
> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
> >
> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
> >
> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> > bit too high for wind power.
> >
> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
> >
> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/ 
> > <h

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep between 1 10 and 1 20 past Ft
Stockton there are thousands of them
..

On Feb 17, 2017 3:55 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:

> The worst part for me is the freaking eye-sore these things create. I
> drive a couple times a year from Fort Worth to Taos, NM and west Texas is
> littered with these things as far as the eye can see. Looks like shit and
> half of them are never even spinning. I'd much rather see the boring
> prairie than these things. But, it's not my land so I can't complain too
> much. I sure wouldn't want to live nearby though. The are somewhat noisy.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in
>> that language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore
>> the land, and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and
>> concrete blocks to clean up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>>
>>
>>
>> The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year
>> renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the
>> calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30
>> years. There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal,
>> going into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will
>> return the property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
>>
>> The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it
>> when I looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something
>> with that much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe
>> it just means it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>> > "
>> >
>> > Summary of the calculations
>> >
>> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
>> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
>> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
>> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
>> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
>> > solar.
>> >
>> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
>> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
>> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
>> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
>> >
>> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
>> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
>> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
>> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
>> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
>> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
>> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
>> >
>> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
>> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
>> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
>> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
>> > bit too high for wind power.
>> >
>> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
>> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
>> >
>> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> >> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease
>> to remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the
>> lease.
>> >>
>> >> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual
>> wind turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's s

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Ken Hohhof]

Or Awesome?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 4:17 PM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Only if it is fabulous 

 

On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

Is he channeling Shep Smith?

 

Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf, like 
Christie.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?  

 

Then we know we hit a milestone.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in 
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage... Water 
heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full of pumps 
and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump

 

On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try jewing

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.

 

I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance

 

I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Tropical anal mist. 

 

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

 

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

 

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, Mexican 
and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a meeting. I feel 
like I spitting up to heaven So bad 

 

On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a racist 

She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters and 
threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded

She would be a great reporter for the onion

 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared Trump 
didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed obvious he 
didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said Congressional Black 
Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she was 
talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have ever 
heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. And 
they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. Now 
that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  The 
tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing 
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if he's 
meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't literally want 
the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not intentiona

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Cameron Crum]

The worst part for me is the freaking eye-sore these things create. I drive
a couple times a year from Fort Worth to Taos, NM and west Texas is
littered with these things as far as the eye can see. Looks like shit and
half of them are never even spinning. I'd much rather see the boring
prairie than these things. But, it's not my land so I can't complain too
much. I sure wouldn't want to live nearby though. The are somewhat noisy.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in that
> language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore the
> land, and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and
> concrete blocks to clean up.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>
>
>
> The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year
> renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the
> calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30
> years. There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal,
> going into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will
> return the property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
>
> The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it
> when I looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something
> with that much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe
> it just means it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
> > "
> >
> > Summary of the calculations
> >
> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> > solar.
> >
> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
> >
> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
> >
> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> > bit too high for wind power.
> >
> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
> >
> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> >> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to
> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
> >>
> >> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual
> wind turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still
> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the
> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm
> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the
> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power
> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of
> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen
> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Only if it is fabulous

On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Is he channeling Shep Smith?
>
>
>
> Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf,
> like Christie.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>
>
>
> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
> attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
> jewing
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>
>
>
> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>
> Denial
>
> Anger
>
> Bargaining
>
> Depression
>
> Acceptance
>
>
>
> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Tropical anal mist.
>
>
>
> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>
>
>
> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
> racist
>
> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
> being recorded
>
> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
> their presence as an entity.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
> him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
> literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Ken Hohhof]

Is he channeling Shep Smith?

 

Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf, like 
Christie.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?  

 

Then we know we hit a milestone.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in 
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage... Water 
heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full of pumps 
and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump

 

On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try jewing

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.

 

I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance

 

I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Tropical anal mist. 

 

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

 

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

 

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, Mexican 
and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a meeting. I feel 
like I spitting up to heaven So bad 

 

On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a racist 

She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters and 
threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded

She would be a great reporter for the onion

 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared Trump 
didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed obvious he 
didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said Congressional Black 
Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she was 
talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have ever 
heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. And 
they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. Now 
that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  The 
tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing 
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if he's 
meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't literally want 
the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not intentionally 
excluding them. 

 

That's the danger of being a wise-ass.  

 

 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >

To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...  

 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha...good one

On Feb 17, 2017 2:45 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>>
>> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage
>> in attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
>> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
>> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
>>> jewing
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>>>>
>>>> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>>>> Denial
>>>> Anger
>>>> Bargaining
>>>> Depression
>>>> Acceptance
>>>>
>>>> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>>
>>>> Tropical anal mist.
>>>>
>>>> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
>>>>> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
>>>>> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call
>>>>>> him a racist
>>>>>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>>>>>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>>>>>> being recorded
>>>>>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it
>>>>>>> appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.
>>>>>>> Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had
>>>>>>> said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing
>>>>>>> what she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first 
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> I have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
>>>>>>> Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and 
>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to 
>>>>>>> trump
>>>>>>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal 
>>>>>>> chain
>>>>>>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and 
>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile 
>>>>>>> venture,
>>>>>>> Id like to think it is, bu

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

[image: Inline image 1]

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>
> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
> attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
>> jewing
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>>>
>>> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>>> Denial
>>> Anger
>>> Bargaining
>>> Depression
>>> Acceptance
>>>
>>> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>> Tropical anal mist.
>>>
>>> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>>>
>>> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
>>>> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
>>>> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him
>>>>> a racist
>>>>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>>>>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>>>>> being recorded
>>>>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it
>>>>>> appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.
>>>>>> Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had
>>>>>> said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what
>>>>>> she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I
>>>>>> have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
>>>>>> Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and 
>>>>>> making
>>>>>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to 
>>>>>> trump
>>>>>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
>>>>>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile 
>>>>>> venture,
>>>>>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting 
>>>>>> joke.
>>>>>> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues 
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
>>>>>> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in 
>>>>>> maintaining
>>>>>> their presence as an entity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 17

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[chuck]

OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?  

Then we know we hit a milestone.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in 
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage... Water 
heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full of pumps 
and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump

On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try 
jewing

  On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.

I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Tropical anal mist. 

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, 
Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a meeting. I 
feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad 

  On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him 
a racist 
She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on 
reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being 
recorded
She would be a great reporter for the onion


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it 
appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed 
obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said 
Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
      To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

  The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what 
she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have 
ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. 
And they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. 
Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

  On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard 
directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking 
about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked 
him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't 
literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not 
intentionally excluding them. 

That's the danger of being a wise-ass.  




-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

  Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...  

  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517


  On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability 
to do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions 
on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump

On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
> jewing
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>>
>> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>> Denial
>> Anger
>> Bargaining
>> Depression
>> Acceptance
>>
>> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> Tropical anal mist.
>>
>> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>>
>> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
>>> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
>>> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him
>>>> a racist
>>>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>>>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>>>> being recorded
>>>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it
>>>>> appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.
>>>>> Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had
>>>>> said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>>>
>>>>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what
>>>>> she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I
>>>>> have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
>>>>> Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
>>>>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
>>>>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
>>>>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not 
>>>>> be
>>>>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile 
>>>>> venture,
>>>>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
>>>>> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues 
>>>>> because
>>>>> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
>>>>> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in 
>>>>> maintaining
>>>>> their presence as an entity.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard
>>>>>> directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was 
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>> about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter
>>>>>> asked him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  
>>>>>> He
>>>>>> didn't literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying
>>>>>> that he's not intentionally excluding them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
jewing

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>
> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
> Denial
> Anger
> Bargaining
> Depression
> Acceptance
>
> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> Tropical anal mist.
>
> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>
> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
>> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
>> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
>>> racist
>>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>>> being recorded
>>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it
>>>> appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.
>>>> Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had
>>>> said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>>
>>>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what
>>>> she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I
>>>> have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
>>>> Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
>>>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
>>>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
>>>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
>>>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
>>>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
>>>> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
>>>> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
>>>> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
>>>> their presence as an entity.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard
>>>>> directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was 
>>>>> talking
>>>>> about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter
>>>>> asked him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He
>>>>> didn't literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying
>>>>> that he's not intentionally excluding them.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>>>>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>>>>> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[chuck]

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.

I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Tropical anal mist. 

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, Mexican 
and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a meeting. I feel 
like I spitting up to heaven So bad 

  On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a 
racist 
She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters 
and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded
She would be a great reporter for the onion


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared 
Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed obvious 
he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said Congressional 
Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

  The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she 
was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have ever 
heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. And 
they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. Now 
that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

  On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  
The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing 
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if he's 
meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't literally want 
the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not intentionally 
excluding them. 

That's the danger of being a wise-ass.  




-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
    Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

  Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...  

  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517


  On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to 
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions on 
dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of creating 
jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has been raped 
and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does in long run 
with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump... 

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

  FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of 
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well 
as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble 
in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something 
up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
      Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Josh Reynolds]

Tropical anal mist.

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
>> racist
>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>> being recorded
>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
>>> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
>>> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
>>> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what
>>> she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I
>>> have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
>>> Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
>>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
>>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
>>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
>>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
>>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
>>> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
>>> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
>>> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
>>> their presence as an entity.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
>>>> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
>>>> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
>>>> him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
>>>> literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
>>>> not intentionally excluding them.
>>>>
>>>> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>>>>
>>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>>>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>>>> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with
>>>> -black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
>>>>> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
>>>>> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
>>>>> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
>>>>> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
>>>>> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
>>>>> Clown Trump...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Adam Moffett]

.but do you know Joe from Canada?

-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/17/2017 3:12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, 
Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a 
meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad


On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him 
a racist
She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on 
reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she 
was being recorded

She would be a great reporter for the onion


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it 
appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well 
enough.  Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  
If she had said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never 
been an issue.


From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what 
she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first 
time I have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as 
Congressional Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following 
channels, and making surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is 
saying he sent letters to trump that havent been responded to... 
yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, oh 
wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim 
racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like 
to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. 
They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues 
because they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue 
were ever to be resolved or made better, they would lose even more 
ground in maintaining their presence as an entity.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard 
directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was 
talking about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and 
the reporter asked him if he's meeting with the congressional black 
caucus on that.  He didn't literally want the reporter to set up the 
meeting, he was saying that he's not intentionally excluding them.


That's the danger of being a wise-ass.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...


Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517 
<https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517>


On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to 
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal 
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest 
in the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short 
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in 
disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does in long run with or 
without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown 
Trump...


On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of 
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and 
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their 
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and that 
President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but no way 
to predict what it will be and hedge against it.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is 
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding. 
 All good stuff.




I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy 
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad

On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
> racist
> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
> being recorded
> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
>> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
>> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
>> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
>> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
>> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
>> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
>> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
>> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
>> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
>> their presence as an entity.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
>>> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
>>> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
>>> him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
>>> literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
>>> not intentionally excluding them.
>>>
>>> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>>
>>> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>>>
>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>>> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with
>>> -black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
>>>> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
>>>> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
>>>> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
>>>> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
>>>> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
>>>> Clown Trump...
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
>>>> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
>>>> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
>>>> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
>>>> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
racist
She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters
and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded
She would be a great reporter for the onion


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
> their presence as an entity.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
>> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
>> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
>> him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
>> literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
>> not intentionally excluding them.
>>
>> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-
>> with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
>>> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
>>> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
>>> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
>>> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
>>> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
>>> Clown Trump...
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
>>> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
>>> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
>>> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
>>> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
>>> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
>>> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unp

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[chuck]

When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared Trump 
didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed obvious he 
didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said Congressional Black 
Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she was 
talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have ever 
heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. And 
they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. Now 
that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  The 
tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing 
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if he's 
meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't literally want 
the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not intentionally 
excluding them. 

  That's the danger of being a wise-ass.  




  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
  To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...  


https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517


On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

  i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do 
anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions on 
dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of creating 
jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has been raped 
and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does in long run 
with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump... 

  On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual 
stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as 
emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble in 
US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up 
but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.  



I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him 
giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, 
monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change 
things.  



Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, 
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find 
out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.  



Just so he does not start another shooting war...



From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left



For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new 
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  
He definitely was combative with the press.  



I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The 
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he just 
can't accept it fo

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Ken Hohhof]

As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in that 
language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore the land, 
and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and concrete 
blocks to clean up.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

 

The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year 
renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the 
calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30 years. 
There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal, going into 
detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will return the 
property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.

The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it when I 
looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something with that 
much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe it just means 
it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:
> "
>
> Summary of the calculations
>
> First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> solar.
>
> Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
>
> Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
>
> In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> bit too high for wind power.
>
> As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> profitable without subsidies but only barely."
>
> From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:
>> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to 
>> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
>>
>> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual wind 
>> turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still 
>> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the 
>> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm 
>> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the 
>> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power 
>> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of 
>> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen 
>> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't 
>> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have access 
>> roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
>>
>> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is the 
>> power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate power 
>> from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar taken off.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-

>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:36 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Ken Hohhof]

Lots of things are head scratchers.

Like supposedly Chevy loses money selling the Bolt.  But maybe that makes sense 
if it helps them achieve required fleet averages.  But what if Trump's EPA 
nixes all that?  Does it still make sense to lose money on Bolts?  Maybe it 
still does, if it helps your brand image and gets people into the showrooms.  
Maybe to buy a diesel Cruze:
http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2017/feb/0213-cruze-diesel.html

It's like all the naysayers who thought Google Fiber didn't understand the cost 
of wiring houses with fiber.  Now Google Fiber seems to agree and is looking at 
wireless.  But for years, the naysayers were just losers who needed to be 
taught a lesson by the geniuses at Google.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

If you want to check in terms of raw profitability, which is equally 
interesting (to me), there is a very interesting report of a 3.5mw wind farm in 
Ireland.
http://arrow.dit.ie/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1101=engscheleart2

They determined that their ROI was 6.5 years.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>> "
>>
>> Summary of the calculations
>>
>> First of all I want to state that my calculations might include 
>> mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have 
>> not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to 
>> make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I 
>> used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over 
>> solar.
>>
>> Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly 
>> low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three 
>> that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that 
>> changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
>>
>> Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but 
>> it makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower 
>> can be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also 
>> be noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the 
>> lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not 
>> affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I 
>> didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
>>
>> In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable 
>> form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much 
>> because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the 
>> profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a 
>> bit too high for wind power.
>>
>> As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be 
>> profitable without subsidies but only barely."
>>
>> From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to 
>>> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
>>>
>>> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual wind 
>>> turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still 
>>> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the 
>>> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm 
>>> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the 
>>> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power 
>>> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of 
>>> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen 
>>> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't 
>>> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have 
>>> access roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
>>>
>>> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is the 
>>> power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate 
>>> power from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar 
>>> taken off.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year
renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the
calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30
years. There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal,
going into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will
return the property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it when
I looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something with
that much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe it
just means it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
> > "
> >
> > Summary of the calculations
> >
> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> > solar.
> >
> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
> >
> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
> >
> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> > bit too high for wind power.
> >
> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
> >
> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> >> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to
> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
> >>
> >> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual
> wind turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still
> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the
> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm
> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the
> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power
> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of
> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen
> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't
> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have
> access roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
> >>
> >> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is
> the power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate
> power from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar
> taken off.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:36 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> >>
> >> So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types +
> production resource usage)
> >>
> >> I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> the turbines here are on

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Josh Reynolds]

If you want to check in terms of raw profitability, which is equally
interesting (to me), there is a very interesting report of a 3.5mw
wind farm in Ireland.
http://arrow.dit.ie/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1101=engscheleart2

They determined that their ROI was 6.5 years.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>> "
>>
>> Summary of the calculations
>>
>> First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
>> mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
>> not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
>> make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
>> used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
>> solar.
>>
>> Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
>> low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
>> that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
>> changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
>>
>> Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
>> makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
>> be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
>> noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
>> lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
>> affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
>> didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
>>
>> In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
>> form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
>> because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
>> profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
>> bit too high for wind power.
>>
>> As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
>> profitable without subsidies but only barely."
>>
>> From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to 
>>> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
>>>
>>> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual wind 
>>> turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still 
>>> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the 
>>> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm 
>>> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the 
>>> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power 
>>> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of 
>>> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen 
>>> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't 
>>> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have 
>>> access roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
>>>
>>> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is the 
>>> power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate 
>>> power from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar 
>>> taken off.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:36 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>>>
>>> So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types + production 
>>> resource usage)
>>>
>>> I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected
>>>> removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Josh Reynolds]

Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> "
>
> Summary of the calculations
>
> First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> solar.
>
> Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
>
> Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
>
> In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> bit too high for wind power.
>
> As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> profitable without subsidies but only barely."
>
> From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to 
>> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
>>
>> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual wind 
>> turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still 
>> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the 
>> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm 
>> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the 
>> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power 
>> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of 
>> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen 
>> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't 
>> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have access 
>> roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
>>
>> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is the 
>> power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate power 
>> from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar taken off.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:36 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>>
>> So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types + production 
>> resource usage)
>>
>> I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected
>>> removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is
>>>> not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day."
>>>>
>>>> I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You
>>>> basically have to look at how long they plan for them to run, the
>>>> power generated during that time, include maintenance, and compare
>>>> that to the cost to manufacture and erect.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen,
>>>> > regulating industries out of bui

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Josh Reynolds]

"

Summary of the calculations

First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
solar.

Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.

Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.

In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
bit too high for wind power.

As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
profitable without subsidies but only barely."

From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to 
> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
>
> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual wind 
> turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still 
> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the 
> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm 
> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the 
> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power wires, 
> access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of turbines get 
> worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen blades break, 
> they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't seem to be that 
> big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have access roads, they plan 
> on regular inspections and maintenance.
>
> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is the 
> power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate power 
> from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar taken off.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:36 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>
> So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types + production 
> resource usage)
>
> I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected
>> removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is
>>> not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day."
>>>
>>> I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You
>>> basically have to look at how long they plan for them to run, the
>>> power generated during that time, include maintenance, and compare
>>> that to the cost to manufacture and erect.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen,
>>> > regulating industries out of buisines or to the point consumers
>>> > cannot afford things is not the way to go.
>>> > Imagine how many of these millions of windmills we have in the US
>>> > without huge consumptions of oil. exactly zero. The manufacturing,
>>> > transportation, and erection of these things is not offset by the
>>> > gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day. They dont even
>>> > account for the technician carbon footprint driving from turbine to
>>> &

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Ken Hohhof]

I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to remove 
the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.

If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual wind 
turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still 
profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the land 
leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm guessing a 
small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the towers and 
foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power wires, access 
roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of turbines get worked on 
each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen blades break, they just go 
out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't seem to be that big a deal.  
These things are in rural areas and have access roads, they plan on regular 
inspections and maintenance.

A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is the power 
company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate power from 
coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar taken off.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types + production 
resource usage)

I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected 
> removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is 
>> not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day."
>>
>> I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You 
>> basically have to look at how long they plan for them to run, the 
>> power generated during that time, include maintenance, and compare 
>> that to the cost to manufacture and erect.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen, 
>> > regulating industries out of buisines or to the point consumers 
>> > cannot afford things is not the way to go.
>> > Imagine how many of these millions of windmills we have in the US 
>> > without huge consumptions of oil. exactly zero. The manufacturing, 
>> > transportation, and erection of these things is not offset by the 
>> > gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day. They dont even 
>> > account for the technician carbon footprint driving from turbine to 
>> > turbine. I would like to see an actual report on the oil cost per 
>> > turbine, taking into account all factors, including the oil for 
>> > fedex to deliver replacement parts, and oil consumption in rope and 
>> > rigging.
>> >
>> > Solar is a joke en mass, from a carbon perspective, especially here 
>> > where all our power comes from nuclear.
>> >
>> > hydroelectric, maybe not a whole lod of oil consumption, but 
>> > ecological impact is catastrophic, what do we have now 2 salmon 
>> > variants
>> >
>> > shut it all down
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> > <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's a pretty irrational stance to take, being 100% against a 
>> >> resource I mean.
>> >>
>> >> It is not irrational to reduce dependency on anything though, for 
>> >> a variety of reasons.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> >> > Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil.  Even 
>> >> > hydroelectric turbines need lube.  Transformers are filled with oil.
>> >> > If
>> >> > you
>> >> > are against oil, be against oil.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> >> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM
>> >> > To: af@afmug.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil 
>> >> > from your statement.
>> >> >
>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

operational production time, excluding maintenance outages is around 25%
whether it be low wind or high wind cut outs
So 75 percent of the time the alternate power production is ramped up,
dependent on each farm of 300 or so turbines operational status
This particular power is piped to another grid, not ours, however they do
that, I dont know how much loss that equates to for final aggregate grid
gain.
There is no documented account of shunted production when operational in
non peak time

I dont have a problem with alternate production, its necessary, we actually
have a school in the area that put one in and negated their annual
electrical cost before the tin foilers stepped in and kaboshed any new
purpose driven turbines because of "low frequency infrasound noise" (thats
literally what their flyer said, let it sink in that those people are
making policy)

But dont call it carbon neutral



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types +
> production resource usage)
>
> I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected
> > removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is
> >> not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day."
> >>
> >> I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You
> >> basically have to look at how long they plan for them to run, the
> >> power generated during that time, include maintenance, and compare
> >> that to the cost to manufacture and erect.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen, regulating
> >> > industries out of buisines or to the point consumers cannot afford
> >> > things is
> >> > not the way to go.
> >> > Imagine how many of these millions of windmills we have in the US
> >> > without
> >> > huge consumptions of oil. exactly zero. The manufacturing,
> >> > transportation,
> >> > and erection of these things is not offset by the gains, its a net
> >> > carbon
> >> > loss at the end of the day. They dont even account for the technician
> >> > carbon
> >> > footprint driving from turbine to turbine. I would like to see an
> actual
> >> > report on the oil cost per turbine, taking into account all factors,
> >> > including the oil for fedex to deliver replacement parts, and oil
> >> > consumption in rope and rigging.
> >> >
> >> > Solar is a joke en mass, from a carbon perspective, especially here
> >> > where
> >> > all our power comes from nuclear.
> >> >
> >> > hydroelectric, maybe not a whole lod of oil consumption, but
> ecological
> >> > impact is catastrophic, what do we have now 2 salmon variants
> >> >
> >> > shut it all down
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> That's a pretty irrational stance to take, being 100% against a
> >> >> resource I
> >> >> mean.
> >> >>
> >> >> It is not irrational to reduce dependency on anything though, for a
> >> >> variety of reasons.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil.  Even
> >> >> > hydroelectric turbines need lube.  Transformers are filled with
> oil.
> >> >> > If
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > are against oil, be against oil.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> >> >> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM
> >> >> > To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from
> >> >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Josh Reynolds]

So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types +
production resource usage)

I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected
> removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is
>> not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day."
>>
>> I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You
>> basically have to look at how long they plan for them to run, the
>> power generated during that time, include maintenance, and compare
>> that to the cost to manufacture and erect.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen, regulating
>> > industries out of buisines or to the point consumers cannot afford
>> > things is
>> > not the way to go.
>> > Imagine how many of these millions of windmills we have in the US
>> > without
>> > huge consumptions of oil. exactly zero. The manufacturing,
>> > transportation,
>> > and erection of these things is not offset by the gains, its a net
>> > carbon
>> > loss at the end of the day. They dont even account for the technician
>> > carbon
>> > footprint driving from turbine to turbine. I would like to see an actual
>> > report on the oil cost per turbine, taking into account all factors,
>> > including the oil for fedex to deliver replacement parts, and oil
>> > consumption in rope and rigging.
>> >
>> > Solar is a joke en mass, from a carbon perspective, especially here
>> > where
>> > all our power comes from nuclear.
>> >
>> > hydroelectric, maybe not a whole lod of oil consumption, but ecological
>> > impact is catastrophic, what do we have now 2 salmon variants
>> >
>> > shut it all down
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's a pretty irrational stance to take, being 100% against a
>> >> resource I
>> >> mean.
>> >>
>> >> It is not irrational to reduce dependency on anything though, for a
>> >> variety of reasons.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> >> > Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil.  Even
>> >> > hydroelectric turbines need lube.  Transformers are filled with oil.
>> >> > If
>> >> > you
>> >> > are against oil, be against oil.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> >> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM
>> >> > To: af@afmug.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from
>> >> > your
>> >> > statement.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can also make a decision to reduce oil consumption where logical.
>> >> > This would be a good thing from a monetary and national defense
>> >> > standpoint among other things.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:55 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Being against oil but using oil...
>> >> >> Think FedEx can do its thing without oil?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you are truly against oil, stop using it.
>> >> >> Go to the forest.  No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles
>> >> >> perhaps.
>> >> >> No guns, takes oil to make guns...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> etc
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM
>> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Being against oil but us

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected
removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is
> not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day."
>
> I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You
> basically have to look at how long they plan for them to run, the
> power generated during that time, include maintenance, and compare
> that to the cost to manufacture and erect.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen, regulating
> > industries out of buisines or to the point consumers cannot afford
> things is
> > not the way to go.
> > Imagine how many of these millions of windmills we have in the US without
> > huge consumptions of oil. exactly zero. The manufacturing,
> transportation,
> > and erection of these things is not offset by the gains, its a net carbon
> > loss at the end of the day. They dont even account for the technician
> carbon
> > footprint driving from turbine to turbine. I would like to see an actual
> > report on the oil cost per turbine, taking into account all factors,
> > including the oil for fedex to deliver replacement parts, and oil
> > consumption in rope and rigging.
> >
> > Solar is a joke en mass, from a carbon perspective, especially here where
> > all our power comes from nuclear.
> >
> > hydroelectric, maybe not a whole lod of oil consumption, but ecological
> > impact is catastrophic, what do we have now 2 salmon variants
> >
> > shut it all down
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> That's a pretty irrational stance to take, being 100% against a
> resource I
> >> mean.
> >>
> >> It is not irrational to reduce dependency on anything though, for a
> >> variety of reasons.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >> > Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil.  Even
> >> > hydroelectric turbines need lube.  Transformers are filled with oil.
> If
> >> > you
> >> > are against oil, be against oil.
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> >> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM
> >> > To: af@afmug.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> >> >
> >> > I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from your
> >> > statement.
> >> >
> >> > You can also make a decision to reduce oil consumption where logical.
> >> > This would be a good thing from a monetary and national defense
> >> > standpoint among other things.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:55 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Being against oil but using oil...
> >> >> Think FedEx can do its thing without oil?
> >> >>
> >> >> If you are truly against oil, stop using it.
> >> >> Go to the forest.  No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles
> perhaps.
> >> >> No guns, takes oil to make guns...
> >> >>
> >> >> etc
> >> >>
> >> >> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM
> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> >> >>
> >> >> Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> "Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx."
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles.
> >> >>> I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> printed circuit boards.
> >> >>> I like the price of oil to be as low as possible.
> >> >>> I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab
> >> >>> world.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I too have built many miles o

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Josh Reynolds]

"The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is
not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day."

I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You
basically have to look at how long they plan for them to run, the
power generated during that time, include maintenance, and compare
that to the cost to manufacture and erect.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen, regulating
> industries out of buisines or to the point consumers cannot afford things is
> not the way to go.
> Imagine how many of these millions of windmills we have in the US without
> huge consumptions of oil. exactly zero. The manufacturing, transportation,
> and erection of these things is not offset by the gains, its a net carbon
> loss at the end of the day. They dont even account for the technician carbon
> footprint driving from turbine to turbine. I would like to see an actual
> report on the oil cost per turbine, taking into account all factors,
> including the oil for fedex to deliver replacement parts, and oil
> consumption in rope and rigging.
>
> Solar is a joke en mass, from a carbon perspective, especially here where
> all our power comes from nuclear.
>
> hydroelectric, maybe not a whole lod of oil consumption, but ecological
> impact is catastrophic, what do we have now 2 salmon variants
>
> shut it all down
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> That's a pretty irrational stance to take, being 100% against a resource I
>> mean.
>>
>> It is not irrational to reduce dependency on anything though, for a
>> variety of reasons.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> > Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil.  Even
>> > hydroelectric turbines need lube.  Transformers are filled with oil.  If
>> > you
>> > are against oil, be against oil.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>> >
>> > I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from your
>> > statement.
>> >
>> > You can also make a decision to reduce oil consumption where logical.
>> > This would be a good thing from a monetary and national defense
>> > standpoint among other things.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:55 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Being against oil but using oil...
>> >> Think FedEx can do its thing without oil?
>> >>
>> >> If you are truly against oil, stop using it.
>> >> Go to the forest.  No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles perhaps.
>> >> No guns, takes oil to make guns...
>> >>
>> >> etc
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>> >>
>> >> Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks
>> >>
>> >> "Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx."
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles.
>> >>> I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable
>> >>> and
>> >>> printed circuit boards.
>> >>> I like the price of oil to be as low as possible.
>> >>> I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab
>> >>> world.
>> >>>
>> >>> I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and tribal
>> >>> lands.  I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process as
>> >>> the
>> >>> pipeline many many times.  I consider myself a NEPA expert and am
>> >>> currently
>> >>> advising the US Senate on ways to make that process work faster.
>> >>>
>> >>> Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are building a
>> >>> pipe
>> >>> to make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.
>> >>> If
>> >>> you are against the “commons” don’t use comm

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen, regulating
industries out of buisines or to the point consumers cannot afford things
is not the way to go.
Imagine how many of these millions of windmills we have in the US without
huge consumptions of oil. exactly zero. The manufacturing, transportation,
and erection of these things is not offset by the gains, its a net carbon
loss at the end of the day. They dont even account for the technician
carbon footprint driving from turbine to turbine. I would like to see an
actual report on the oil cost per turbine, taking into account all factors,
including the oil for fedex to deliver replacement parts, and oil
consumption in rope and rigging.

Solar is a joke en mass, from a carbon perspective, especially here where
all our power comes from nuclear.

hydroelectric, maybe not a whole lod of oil consumption, but ecological
impact is catastrophic, what do we have now 2 salmon variants

shut it all down


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> That's a pretty irrational stance to take, being 100% against a resource I
> mean.
>
> It is not irrational to reduce dependency on anything though, for a
> variety of reasons.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> > Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil.  Even
> > hydroelectric turbines need lube.  Transformers are filled with oil.  If
> you
> > are against oil, be against oil.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> >
> > I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from your
> > statement.
> >
> > You can also make a decision to reduce oil consumption where logical.
> > This would be a good thing from a monetary and national defense
> > standpoint among other things.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:55 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Being against oil but using oil...
> >> Think FedEx can do its thing without oil?
> >>
> >> If you are truly against oil, stop using it.
> >> Go to the forest.  No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles perhaps.
> >> No guns, takes oil to make guns...
> >>
> >> etc
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> >>
> >> Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks
> >>
> >> "Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx."
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles.
> >>> I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable and
> >>> printed circuit boards.
> >>> I like the price of oil to be as low as possible.
> >>> I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab
> >>> world.
> >>>
> >>> I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and tribal
> >>> lands.  I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process as
> the
> >>> pipeline many many times.  I consider myself a NEPA expert and am
> >>> currently
> >>> advising the US Senate on ways to make that process work faster.
> >>>
> >>> Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are building a
> >>> pipe
> >>> to make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.
> If
> >>> you are against the “commons” don’t use common frequencies.  Don’t use
> >>> ROWs.
> >>> Don’t use electricity.
> >>>
> >>> I don’t get several things:
> >>>
> >>> Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx.
> >>> Being against certain forms of arguably safer and more efficient oil
> >>> transportation.
> >>> Being against certain rich people doing business but attempting to
> become
> >>> a
> >>> richer person yourself.
> >>> Being against the use of public and private ROWs for oil pipelines but
> >>> not
> >>> for water pipelines, natural gas pipelines, sewers, fiber cables or
> >>> electric.
> >>>
> >>> And being a second or third generation wanna-be 1960s social justice
> >>> warrior
> >>> going thous

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah... it's not like he didn't know what the Congressional Black Caucus
is. for a second, I was thinking "why would he want to meet with the
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation?" (he was talking to the media, afterall)
:P

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:00 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
> their presence as an entity.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
>> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
>> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
>> him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
>> literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
>> not intentionally excluding them.
>>
>> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message ------
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-
>> with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
>>> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
>>> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
>>> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
>>> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
>>> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
>>> Clown Trump...
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
>>> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
>>> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
>>> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
>>> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
>>> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
>>> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
>>> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
>>> actually change things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document,
>>> he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can
>>> find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just so he does not start anothe

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Except they no appended their lawsuit to claim that the mere presence of
the pipeline near the water, even without contamination makes it unclean,
and unsuitable for rituals as the water must be "clean" the LOLz are strong
with that, and I wont be suprised if thats the nail in their cases coffing

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look at the
> reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not saying
> Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers have as
> little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The current
> "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its based on low hanging
> fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating jobs.
>
> In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for moving
> oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great UNTIL a pipeline
> is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the last couple of
> decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no standing in my mind.
> They really couldn't care about what harm you might or might not do to some
> ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe request on what they think
> they can get out of you.
> I know...not politically correct. So what.
>
> Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is what got
> us where we are today.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
>> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
>> brothers...   Got it?
>>
>> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> > Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
>> > and has less a footprint?
>> >
>> > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
>> > do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
>> > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
>> > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
>> > sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
>> > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
>> > of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>> >
>> > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
>> > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
>> > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
>> > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
>> > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
>> >     no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
>> > doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
>> > exploding.  All good stuff.  
>> >
>> >  
>> >
>> > I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
>> > seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
>> > unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
>> > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.
>> > 
>> >
>> >  
>> >
>> > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
>> > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
>> > the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
>> > have b

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
their presence as an entity.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
> him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
> literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
> not intentionally excluding them.
>
> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%
> 2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-
> meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
>> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
>> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
>> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
>> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
>> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
>> Clown Trump...
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
>> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
>> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
>> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
>> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
>> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
>> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
>> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
>> actually change things.
>>
>>
>>
>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
>> missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
>> out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>>
>>
>> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
>> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>>
>> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
>> definitely was combative with the press.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Lewis Bergman]

I hope your really not trying to tell me about natural gas. It is pretty
common knowledge that declining G prices have made it the defacto choice of
power companies. One day that may not be the case. I know a guy with 6
wells on his property. They hit oil and NG. they burned over a million Cf
of gas pumping oil. There was no pipeline to carry it they had to burn it.
A real shame. Anyway, understand don't like coal. Maybe nobody but WV does.
I really don't care either way. I want cheap electricity. I would prefer
not to kill people or things in the process but if it is cheap enough and
they die voluntarily...ehhh.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:23 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm reminded of a quote attributed to Ben Franklin: "Democracy is two
> wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner."
>
> If you're moving a pipeline (or a power plant, or a railroad, or landfill,
> or whatever) to make one group happy, you are invariably putting the same
> burden on some other group.  They're probably going to be the "sheep" who
> in Franklin's example are just an outnumbered group who's opinion matters
> less specifically because they're outnumbered.  If we need pipelines and
> landfills, they are going to go *somewhere*.
>
> If we want completely fair and balanced choices, we might have to abandon
> democracy in favor of a completely rational despot.  Maybe we could put a
> computer in charge.
>
> not saying I really have any answers.  Just a cynical opinion.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/17/2017 9:45:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> "Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
> and has less a footprint? "
>
> In general, transport by pipeline is safer, but seems to do more
> environmental damage when something goes wrong.  Not the real point
> though.  The real issues are:
>
> 1) Is it in our best interest as a country to build a pipline across the
> US so an international conglomerate can sell Canadian oil overseas.
> On the face of it, I would say no but I could be missing something.  Seems
> to be a bunch of public risks with private profits.
>
> 2) How was the route chosen and were safer but more expensive routes an
> option.  If we reroute for group A and screw over group B, thats a serious
> issue.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Josh Reynolds]

That's a pretty irrational stance to take, being 100% against a resource I mean.

It is not irrational to reduce dependency on anything though, for a
variety of reasons.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil.  Even
> hydroelectric turbines need lube.  Transformers are filled with oil.  If you
> are against oil, be against oil.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>
> I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from your
> statement.
>
> You can also make a decision to reduce oil consumption where logical.
> This would be a good thing from a monetary and national defense
> standpoint among other things.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:55 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Being against oil but using oil...
>> Think FedEx can do its thing without oil?
>>
>> If you are truly against oil, stop using it.
>> Go to the forest.  No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles perhaps.
>> No guns, takes oil to make guns...
>>
>> etc
>>
>> -----Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>>
>> Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks
>>
>> "Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx."
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles.
>>> I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable and
>>> printed circuit boards.
>>> I like the price of oil to be as low as possible.
>>> I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab
>>> world.
>>>
>>> I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and tribal
>>> lands.  I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process as the
>>> pipeline many many times.  I consider myself a NEPA expert and am
>>> currently
>>> advising the US Senate on ways to make that process work faster.
>>>
>>> Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are building a
>>> pipe
>>> to make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and jealousy. If
>>> you are against the “commons” don’t use common frequencies.  Don’t use
>>> ROWs.
>>> Don’t use electricity.
>>>
>>> I don’t get several things:
>>>
>>> Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx.
>>> Being against certain forms of arguably safer and more efficient oil
>>> transportation.
>>> Being against certain rich people doing business but attempting to become
>>> a
>>> richer person yourself.
>>> Being against the use of public and private ROWs for oil pipelines but
>>> not
>>> for water pipelines, natural gas pipelines, sewers, fiber cables or
>>> electric.
>>>
>>> And being a second or third generation wanna-be 1960s social justice
>>> warrior
>>> going thousands of miles to hang with other like minded people and think
>>> you
>>> are really doing anything be being cold, being an ass, being stupid and
>>> wasting your time and the resources of local, state and federal
>>> authorities.
>>> Those folks are punks.  (Their parents probably have BA in liberal arts).
>>>
>>> And yes, BTW, I too have made deals with tribes.  It is as Lewis
>>> describes.
>>> You make the deal, you pay the money and more often than not when tribal
>>> leadership changes, the deal no longer exists and you have another round
>>> of
>>> payola.  I have native American heritage in my blood. Don’t get all butt
>>> hurt when I say it is called “indian giving” for a reason.  Tribes have
>>> communal property.  You never own anything, you just possess it for a
>>> time
>>> until some other tribal member decides they need it.  That spills over to
>>> dealing with non tribal members.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[chuck]

Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil.  Even 
hydroelectric turbines need lube.  Transformers are filled with oil.  If you 
are against oil, be against oil.


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from your
statement.

You can also make a decision to reduce oil consumption where logical.
This would be a good thing from a monetary and national defense
standpoint among other things.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:55 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Being against oil but using oil...
Think FedEx can do its thing without oil?

If you are truly against oil, stop using it.
Go to the forest.  No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles perhaps.
No guns, takes oil to make guns...

etc

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks

"Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx."

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles.
I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable and
printed circuit boards.
I like the price of oil to be as low as possible.
I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab 
world.


I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and tribal
lands.  I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process as the
pipeline many many times.  I consider myself a NEPA expert and am
currently
advising the US Senate on ways to make that process work faster.

Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are building a
pipe
to make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and jealousy. 
If

you are against the “commons” don’t use common frequencies.  Don’t use
ROWs.
Don’t use electricity.

I don’t get several things:

Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx.
Being against certain forms of arguably safer and more efficient oil
transportation.
Being against certain rich people doing business but attempting to become
a
richer person yourself.
Being against the use of public and private ROWs for oil pipelines but 
not

for water pipelines, natural gas pipelines, sewers, fiber cables or
electric.

And being a second or third generation wanna-be 1960s social justice
warrior
going thousands of miles to hang with other like minded people and think
you
are really doing anything be being cold, being an ass, being stupid and
wasting your time and the resources of local, state and federal
authorities.
Those folks are punks.  (Their parents probably have BA in liberal arts).

And yes, BTW, I too have made deals with tribes.  It is as Lewis
describes.
You make the deal, you pay the money and more often than not when tribal
leadership changes, the deal no longer exists and you have another round
of
payola.  I have native American heritage in my blood. Don’t get all butt
hurt when I say it is called “indian giving” for a reason.  Tribes have
communal property.  You never own anything, you just possess it for a 
time

until some other tribal member decides they need it.  That spills over to
dealing with non tribal members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from your
statement.

You can also make a decision to reduce oil consumption where logical.
This would be a good thing from a monetary and national defense
standpoint among other things.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:55 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Being against oil but using oil...
> Think FedEx can do its thing without oil?
>
> If you are truly against oil, stop using it.
> Go to the forest.  No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles perhaps.
> No guns, takes oil to make guns...
>
> etc
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>
> Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks
>
> "Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx."
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles.
>> I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable and
>> printed circuit boards.
>> I like the price of oil to be as low as possible.
>> I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab world.
>>
>> I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and tribal
>> lands.  I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process as the
>> pipeline many many times.  I consider myself a NEPA expert and am
>> currently
>> advising the US Senate on ways to make that process work faster.
>>
>> Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are building a
>> pipe
>> to make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.  If
>> you are against the “commons” don’t use common frequencies.  Don’t use
>> ROWs.
>> Don’t use electricity.
>>
>> I don’t get several things:
>>
>> Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx.
>> Being against certain forms of arguably safer and more efficient oil
>> transportation.
>> Being against certain rich people doing business but attempting to become
>> a
>> richer person yourself.
>> Being against the use of public and private ROWs for oil pipelines but not
>> for water pipelines, natural gas pipelines, sewers, fiber cables or
>> electric.
>>
>> And being a second or third generation wanna-be 1960s social justice
>> warrior
>> going thousands of miles to hang with other like minded people and think
>> you
>> are really doing anything be being cold, being an ass, being stupid and
>> wasting your time and the resources of local, state and federal
>> authorities.
>> Those folks are punks.  (Their parents probably have BA in liberal arts).
>>
>> And yes, BTW, I too have made deals with tribes.  It is as Lewis
>> describes.
>> You make the deal, you pay the money and more often than not when tribal
>> leadership changes, the deal no longer exists and you have another round
>> of
>> payola.  I have native American heritage in my blood. Don’t get all butt
>> hurt when I say it is called “indian giving” for a reason.  Tribes have
>> communal property.  You never own anything, you just possess it for a time
>> until some other tribal member decides they need it.  That spills over to
>> dealing with non tribal members.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[chuck]

Being against oil but using oil...
Think FedEx can do its thing without oil?

If you are truly against oil, stop using it.
Go to the forest.  No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles perhaps.
No guns, takes oil to make guns...

etc

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks

"Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx."

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM,  <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles.
I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable and
printed circuit boards.
I like the price of oil to be as low as possible.
I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab world.

I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and tribal
lands.  I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process as the
pipeline many many times.  I consider myself a NEPA expert and am 
currently

advising the US Senate on ways to make that process work faster.

Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are building a 
pipe

to make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.  If
you are against the “commons” don’t use common frequencies.  Don’t use 
ROWs.

Don’t use electricity.

I don’t get several things:

Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx.
Being against certain forms of arguably safer and more efficient oil
transportation.
Being against certain rich people doing business but attempting to become 
a

richer person yourself.
Being against the use of public and private ROWs for oil pipelines but not
for water pipelines, natural gas pipelines, sewers, fiber cables or
electric.

And being a second or third generation wanna-be 1960s social justice 
warrior
going thousands of miles to hang with other like minded people and think 
you

are really doing anything be being cold, being an ass, being stupid and
wasting your time and the resources of local, state and federal 
authorities.

Those folks are punks.  (Their parents probably have BA in liberal arts).

And yes, BTW, I too have made deals with tribes.  It is as Lewis 
describes.

You make the deal, you pay the money and more often than not when tribal
leadership changes, the deal no longer exists and you have another round 
of

payola.  I have native American heritage in my blood. Don’t get all butt
hurt when I say it is called “indian giving” for a reason.  Tribes have
communal property.  You never own anything, you just possess it for a time
until some other tribal member decides they need it.  That spills over to
dealing with non tribal members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Josh Reynolds]

Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks

"Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx."

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM,   wrote:
> I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles.
> I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable and
> printed circuit boards.
> I like the price of oil to be as low as possible.
> I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab world.
>
> I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and tribal
> lands.  I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process as the
> pipeline many many times.  I consider myself a NEPA expert and am currently
> advising the US Senate on ways to make that process work faster.
>
> Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are building a pipe
> to make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.  If
> you are against the “commons” don’t use common frequencies.  Don’t use ROWs.
> Don’t use electricity.
>
> I don’t get several things:
>
> Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx.
> Being against certain forms of arguably safer and more efficient oil
> transportation.
> Being against certain rich people doing business but attempting to become a
> richer person yourself.
> Being against the use of public and private ROWs for oil pipelines but not
> for water pipelines, natural gas pipelines, sewers, fiber cables or
> electric.
>
> And being a second or third generation wanna-be 1960s social justice warrior
> going thousands of miles to hang with other like minded people and think you
> are really doing anything be being cold, being an ass, being stupid and
> wasting your time and the resources of local, state and federal authorities.
> Those folks are punks.  (Their parents probably have BA in liberal arts).
>
> And yes, BTW, I too have made deals with tribes.  It is as Lewis describes.
> You make the deal, you pay the money and more often than not when tribal
> leadership changes, the deal no longer exists and you have another round of
> payola.  I have native American heritage in my blood. Don’t get all butt
> hurt when I say it is called “indian giving” for a reason.  Tribes have
> communal property.  You never own anything, you just possess it for a time
> until some other tribal member decides they need it.  That spills over to
> dealing with non tribal members.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[chuck]

I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles.  
I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable and printed 
circuit boards.  
I like the price of oil to be as low as possible.  
I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab world.  

I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and tribal lands.  
I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process as the pipeline many 
many times.  I consider myself a NEPA expert and am currently advising the US 
Senate on ways to make that process work faster.  

Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are building a pipe to 
make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and jealousy.  If you are 
against the “commons” don’t use common frequencies.  Don’t use ROWs.  Don’t use 
electricity.  

I don’t get several things:

Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx.
Being against certain forms of arguably safer and more efficient oil 
transportation.
Being against certain rich people doing business but attempting to become a 
richer person yourself.  
Being against the use of public and private ROWs for oil pipelines but not for 
water pipelines, natural gas pipelines, sewers, fiber cables or electric.

And being a second or third generation wanna-be 1960s social justice warrior 
going thousands of miles to hang with other like minded people and think you 
are really doing anything be being cold, being an ass, being stupid and wasting 
your time and the resources of local, state and federal authorities.  Those 
folks are punks.  (Their parents probably have BA in liberal arts).   

And yes, BTW, I too have made deals with tribes.  It is as Lewis describes.  
You make the deal, you pay the money and more often than not when tribal 
leadership changes, the deal no longer exists and you have another round of 
payola.  I have native American heritage in my blood. Don’t get all butt hurt 
when I say it is called “indian giving” for a reason.  Tribes have communal 
property.  You never own anything, you just possess it for a time until some 
other tribal member decides they need it.  That spills over to dealing with non 
tribal members.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Adam Moffett]

I'm reminded of a quote attributed to Ben Franklin: "Democracy is two 
wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner."


If you're moving a pipeline (or a power plant, or a railroad, or 
landfill, or whatever) to make one group happy, you are invariably 
putting the same burden on some other group.  They're probably going to 
be the "sheep" who in Franklin's example are just an outnumbered group 
who's opinion matters less specifically because they're outnumbered.  If 
we need pipelines and landfills, they are going to go *somewhere*.


If we want completely fair and balanced choices, we might have to 
abandon democracy in favor of a completely rational despot.  Maybe we 
could put a computer in charge.


not saying I really have any answers.  Just a cynical opinion.




-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/17/2017 9:45:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

"Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is 
safer and has less a footprint? "


In general, transport by pipeline is safer, but seems to do more 
environmental damage when something goes wrong.  Not the real point 
though.  The real issues are:


1) Is it in our best interest as a country to build a pipline across 
the US so an international conglomerate can sell Canadian oil overseas.
On the face of it, I would say no but I could be missing something.  
Seems to be a bunch of public risks with private profits.


2) How was the route chosen and were safer but more expensive routes an 
option.  If we reroute for group A and screw over group B, thats a 
serious issue.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Josh Reynolds]

;> > profiting
>> > from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
>> > brothers...   Got it?
>> >
>> > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> > > Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is
>> > safer
>> > > and has less a footprint?
>> > >
>> > > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
>> > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
>> > ability to
>> > > do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots...
>> > Repeal
>> > > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and
>> > forest in
>> > > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
>> > > sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
>> > disgrace..
>> > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without
>> > help
>> > > of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>> > >
>> > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
>> > > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds
>> > and
>> > > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
>> > > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices
>> > and
>> > > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up
>> > but
>> > > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against
>> > it.
>> > >
>> > > __ __
>> > >
>> > > __ __
>> > >
>> > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
>> > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>> > > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama
>> > admin...
>> > >
>> > > __ __
>> > >
>> > > We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market
>> > is
>> > > doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
>> > > exploding.  All good stuff.  
>> > >
>> > >  
>> > >
>> > > I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do
>> > enjoy
>> > > seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
>> > > unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine
>> > gun
>> > > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change
>> > things.
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > >  
>> > >
>> > > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read
>> > some
>> > > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to
>> > pass
>> > > the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...
>> > Would
>> > > have been a good rejoinder.  
>> > >
>> > >  
>> > >
>> > > Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>> > >
>> > >  
>> > >
>> > > *From:*Adam Moffett 
>> > >
>> > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>> > >
>> > > *To:*af@afmug.com <m

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Lewis Bergman]

with pipe line. Short
> > > sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
> > disgrace..
> > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without
> help
> > > of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
> > >
> > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
> > > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
> > > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
> > > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices
> and
> > > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up
> but
> > > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> > > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> > > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama
> > admin...
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market
> is
> > > doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
> > > exploding.  All good stuff.  
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do
> enjoy
> > > seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
> > > unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
> > > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change
> > things.
> > > 
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read
> some
> > > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to
> pass
> > > the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...
> Would
> > > have been a good rejoinder.  
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Just so he does not start another shooting war...
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > *From:*Adam Moffett 
> > >
> > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
> > >
> > > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> 
> > >
> > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
> > > before he left
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good
> > at his
> > > new job and that the press really is being unfair to
> him.
> > >
> > > I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today
> during
> > > lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
> > > barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
> > > inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
> > > reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to
> > grow up.
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > -- Original Message --
> > >
> > > From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> &

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Lewis Bergman]

On point 1. Yes. They sell to the refiners in Houston. The refiners, if
chosen, sell it overseas or to whomever wants to buy it. International
conglomerates provide jobs just like you and I do. There are risks to
everything. If the pipeline isn't built, the oil is still transferred, just
by different means.
On point 2. I couldn't care less about how the route was chosen so I am not
the best on anything in that regard. I do know I get sick of hearing
environmentalists want to build their eco friendly cottages in the pristine
woods yet someone else's shouldn't be built at all. I really don't know
what the huge deal is. I can't tell you how many oil sills I see down here
in oil country. Momma nature seems to deal with them pretty damn easy.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:45 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> "Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
> and has less a footprint? "
>
> In general, transport by pipeline is safer, but seems to do more
> environmental damage when something goes wrong.  Not the real point
> though.  The real issues are:
>
> 1) Is it in our best interest as a country to build a pipline across the
> US so an international conglomerate can sell Canadian oil overseas.
> On the face of it, I would say no but I could be missing something.  Seems
> to be a bunch of public risks with private profits.
>
> 2) How was the route chosen and were safer but more expensive routes an
> option.  If we reroute for group A and screw over group B, thats a serious
> issue.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Carl Peterson]

"Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
and has less a footprint? "

In general, transport by pipeline is safer, but seems to do more
environmental damage when something goes wrong.  Not the real point
though.  The real issues are:

1) Is it in our best interest as a country to build a pipline across the US
so an international conglomerate can sell Canadian oil overseas.
On the face of it, I would say no but I could be missing something.  Seems
to be a bunch of public risks with private profits.

2) How was the route chosen and were safer but more expensive routes an
option.  If we reroute for group A and screw over group B, thats a serious
issue.

>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Robert]

Ok, Lewis,
Shift to a personal attack.

	I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this enviro whacko 
stuff.  And the There is $$ that is funneled into that from those that 
have that in spades.  As there is money that is funneled into the other 
side.  That's the money that the Indians are getting.   Yes Buffett 
benefits from railroad transport, he has Yuge investments in the 
railroads in the US and oil transport.   AND, interestingly, he benefits 
when coal starts getting transported in larger amounts.   Koch brothers 
still have huge investments in the pipeline infrastructure in the US. 
Go back 20 years ago and it was estimated that they had direct and 
indirect control of 80 percent of buried pipeline in the US.   They have 
decreased investment into pipelines greatly.  But are still in the game 
in a major way.


https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game-keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/


On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look at the
reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not saying
Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers have as
little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The
current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its based on
low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating jobs.

In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for
moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great UNTIL a
pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the last
couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no standing
in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or might
not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe request
on what they think they can get out of you.
I know...not politically correct. So what.

Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is what got
us where we are today.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
brothers...   Got it?

On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is
safer
> and has less a footprint?
>
> I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
> do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
> restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and
forest in
> the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
> sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
disgrace..
> Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
> of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote:
>
> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
> individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
> equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
> analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
> that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
> no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>
> __ __
>
> __ __
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
    >     *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama
admin...
>
> __ __
>
> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
> doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
> exploding.  All good stuff.  
>
>  
>
> I still don’t like him, probabl

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Lewis Bergman]

Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look at the
reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not saying
Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers have as
little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The current
"build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its based on low hanging
fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating jobs.

In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for moving
oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great UNTIL a pipeline
is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the last couple of
decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no standing in my mind.
They really couldn't care about what harm you might or might not do to some
ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe request on what they think
they can get out of you.
I know...not politically correct. So what.

Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is what got us
where we are today.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
> brothers...   Got it?
>
> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
> > and has less a footprint?
> >
> > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
> > do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
> > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
> > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
> > sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
> > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
> > of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
> >
> > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
> > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
> > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
> > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
> > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
> > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
> > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
> > doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
> > exploding.  All good stuff.  
> >
> >  
> >
> > I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
> > seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
> > unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
> > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
> > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
> > the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
> > have been a good rejoinder.  
> >
> >  
> >
> > Just so he does not start another shooting war...
> >
> >  
> >
> > *From:*Adam Moffett 
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
> >
> > *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
> > before he left
> >
> >  
> >
> > For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
> > new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
> >
&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Adam Moffett]

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  
The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about 
doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked 
him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He 
didn't literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying 
that he's not intentionally excluding them.


That's the danger of being a wise-ass.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...


Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517

On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do 
anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal 
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in 
the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short 
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace.. 
Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help of 
Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...


On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual 
stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as 
emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a 
bubble in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely 
to mess something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge 
against it.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good 
stuff.




I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing 
him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in 
china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp 
enough to actually change things.




Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some 
document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the 
bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a 
good rejoinder.




Just so he does not start another shooting war...



From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left




For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new 
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.


I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch. 
 He definitely was combative with the press.




I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  
The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd 
thing, he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular 
point at least he needs to grow up.






-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left





Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine



https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071 
<https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071>




On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad 
sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land 
wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 
2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an 
aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had 
the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever 
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  
Odd...




From: Bill Prince

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before 
he left




Any relationship between rea

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

It's pretty obvious when you look at the makeup of the "protests" very
small percentage were natives, to the point the natives all but asked them
to leave. When the veterans got there they realized this was a corporate
protest. Native Americans would not have left the environmental disaster at
that camp to such a degree.

On Feb 16, 2017 11:49 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> I have no "blame"  I just have "wake up and smell the roses"  for all
> those that think it's some sort of tribal or environmental who ha... One
> group plays the people side, the other plays the business side.. Both sides
> mess stuff up and have big vested interests in keeping us sucking up oil...
>
> On 2/16/17 7:29 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>> Do you blame buffet? Hes got a lot of skin in the game. My buddy at bnsf
>> will tell you, there is company wide concern here.
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 9:17 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money..  Same
>> for the other side of the deal...
>>
>> On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother
>> nature,
>> the lake will have to go away too...
>>
>>     -Original Message- From: Robert
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is
>> profiting
>> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
>> brothers...   Got it?
>>
>> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via
>> train is safer
>> and has less a footprint?
>>
>> I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
>> ability to
>> do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots...
>> Repeal
>> restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams
>> and forest in
>> the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line.
>> Short
>> sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
>> disgrace..
>> Stock market will do what it does in long run with or
>> without help
>> of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving
>> out of
>> individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed
>> bonds and
>> equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently
>> their
>> analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock
>> prices and
>> that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
>> something up but
>> no way to predict what it will be and hedge against
>>     it.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama
>> admin..._

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Robert]

I have no "blame"  I just have "wake up and smell the roses"  for all 
those that think it's some sort of tribal or environmental who ha... 
One group plays the people side, the other plays the business side.. 
Both sides mess stuff up and have big vested interests in keeping us 
sucking up oil...


On 2/16/17 7:29 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Do you blame buffet? Hes got a lot of skin in the game. My buddy at bnsf
will tell you, there is company wide concern here.

On Feb 16, 2017 9:17 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money..  Same
for the other side of the deal...

On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother
nature,
the lake will have to go away too...

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is
profiting
from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
brothers...   Got it?

On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via
train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
ability to
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots...
Repeal
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams
and forest in
the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
disgrace..
Stock market will do what it does in long run with or
without help
of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving
out of
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed
bonds and
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently
their
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock
prices and
that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
something up but
no way to predict what it will be and hedge against
it.

__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama
admin...

__ __

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock
market is
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
exploding.  All good stuff.  

 

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I
do enjoy
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with
machine gun
maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually
change things.


 

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he
read some
document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we
have to pass
the bill so you can find out what’s in it
comment”...  Would
have been a good rejoinder.  

 

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

 

*From:*Ada

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Rump owns stock in Texas based pipeline outfit Not that seems to
matter Plus his new pick to replace Flynn turned him down....now to
bed to dream. Me la pelan

On Feb 16, 2017 8:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do you blame buffet? Hes got a lot of skin in the game. My buddy at bnsf
> will tell you, there is company wide concern here.
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 9:17 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money..  Same for
>> the other side of the deal...
>>
>> On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature,
>>> the lake will have to go away too...
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
>>> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
>>> brothers...   Got it?
>>>
>>> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
>>>> and has less a footprint?
>>>>
>>>> I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
>>>> do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
>>>> restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
>>>> the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
>>>> sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
>>>> Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
>>>> of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
>>>> individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
>>>> equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
>>>> analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
>>>> that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
>>>> no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
>>>> doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
>>>> exploding.  All good stuff.  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
>>>> seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
>>>> unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
>>>> maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
>>>> document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
>>>> the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
>>>> have been a good rejoinder.  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Adam Moffett 
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*T

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Do you blame buffet? Hes got a lot of skin in the game. My buddy at bnsf
will tell you, there is company wide concern here.

On Feb 16, 2017 9:17 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money..  Same for
> the other side of the deal...
>
> On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature,
>> the lake will have to go away too...
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
>> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
>> brothers...   Got it?
>>
>> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
>>> and has less a footprint?
>>>
>>> I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
>>> do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
>>> restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
>>> the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
>>> sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
>>> Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
>>> of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
>>> individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
>>> equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
>>> analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
>>> that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
>>>     no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
>>> doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
>>> exploding.  All good stuff.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
>>> seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
>>> unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
>>> maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
>>> document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
>>> the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
>>> have been a good rejoinder.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:*Adam Moffett 
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
>>> before he left
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
>>> new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>>>
>>> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
>>> lunch.  He definitely was co

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Robert]

Correcting myself, in that it requires no other authority..  D'oh... 
just a verification of identity..


On 2/16/17 7:21 PM, Robert wrote:

Interesting comment by Chuck Todd tonight that he actually enjoys this
sort of confrontation..   It's his element and it goes right by, over,
through him..   He grew up with people giving him sass and while he gets
mad at it, it's his "game"...   I am guessing we will see in the next
six months..   Luckily the football requires other authorization...

On 2/16/17 7:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Either he will have to quit, die, have a stoke or figure out how to take
the criticism.  No way around it.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...


I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4
years if he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's
heads exploding when they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."

I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake
oil salesman that I almost go apoplectic.

It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with
criticism. Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all
corners? Jeez guy, get a pair.

With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a
warm and fuzzy feeling about this.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good
stuff.

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing
him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in
china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp
enough to actually change things.

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document,
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you
can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
left

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.
He definitely was combative with the press.

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing,
he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at
least he needs to grow up.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
left


Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071


On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and
2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an
aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had
the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.
Odd...

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left


Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely
coincidental.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field
generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only
works in Cupertino.

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

Laughing my ass off

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112


<https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112>




On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the
border in 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

This is definitely a bubble, but it's the biggest bubble we've ever had. If
trump falls, it will burst and it will burst hard, 1929 style. If he just
Peters out it will deflate. If he succeeds, anybody who puts all their eggs
in that basket is nuts, we will hit a wall... And in 16 years we might have
an independent in the Whitehouse, that's what liberals will be going by in
that timeframe, and we will all fall down. But there will be a ton of money
to be made in that time frame.
We joke about winning too much, but eventually we will.

On Feb 16, 2017 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Interesting comment by Chuck Todd tonight that he actually enjoys this
> sort of confrontation..   It's his element and it goes right by, over,
> through him..   He grew up with people giving him sass and while he gets
> mad at it, it's his "game"...   I am guessing we will see in the next six
> months..   Luckily the football requires other authorization...
>
> On 2/16/17 7:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Either he will have to quit, die, have a stoke or figure out how to take
>> the criticism.  No way around it.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:18 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>> I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4
>> years if he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's
>> heads exploding when they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."
>>
>> I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake
>> oil salesman that I almost go apoplectic.
>>
>> It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with
>> criticism. Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all
>> corners? Jeez guy, get a pair.
>>
>> With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a
>> warm and fuzzy feeling about this.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.
>>> UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing
>>> him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in
>>> china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp
>>> enough to actually change things.
>>>
>>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document,
>>> he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you
>>> can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>>>
>>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>>> left
>>>
>>> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new
>>> job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>>> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.
>>> He definitely was combative with the press.
>>>
>>> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
>>> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing,
>>> he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at
>>> least he needs to grow up.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>>>
>>> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>>>>
>>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>>>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017
>>>> %2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-
>>>> and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
>>>> dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
>>>> land w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Robert]

Interesting comment by Chuck Todd tonight that he actually enjoys this 
sort of confrontation..   It's his element and it goes right by, over, 
through him..   He grew up with people giving him sass and while he gets 
mad at it, it's his "game"...   I am guessing we will see in the next 
six months..   Luckily the football requires other authorization...


On 2/16/17 7:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Either he will have to quit, die, have a stoke or figure out how to take
the criticism.  No way around it.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...


I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4
years if he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's
heads exploding when they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."

I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake
oil salesman that I almost go apoplectic.

It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with
criticism. Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all
corners? Jeez guy, get a pair.

With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a
warm and fuzzy feeling about this.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good
stuff.

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing
him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in
china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp
enough to actually change things.

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document,
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you
can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
left

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.
He definitely was combative with the press.

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing,
he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at
least he needs to grow up.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left


Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine

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On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and
2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an
aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had
the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd...

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left


Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely
coincidental.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field
generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only
works in Cupertino.

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

Laughing my ass off

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112

<https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112>



On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the
border in a while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I
listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Robert]

Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money..  Same for 
the other side of the deal...


On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature,
the lake will have to go away too...

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
brothers...   Got it?

On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.

__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

__ __

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
exploding.  All good stuff.  

 

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.


 

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
have been a good rejoinder.  

 

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

 

*From:*Adam Moffett 

*Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  

 

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow
up.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

 


https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071


 

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a
kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to supplement t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Not just lake... But I am tired Good night

On Feb 16, 2017 7:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature, the
> lake will have to go away too...
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
> brothers...   Got it?
>
> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>> Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
>> and has less a footprint?
>>
>> I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
>> do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
>> restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
>> the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
>> sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
>> Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
>> of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
>> individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
>> equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
>> analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
>> that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
>> no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>>     __ __
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
>> doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
>> exploding.  All good stuff.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
>> seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
>> unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
>> maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
>> document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
>> the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
>> have been a good rejoinder.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:*Adam Moffett 
>>
>> *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
>> before he left
>>
>>  
>>
>> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
>> new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>>
>> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
>> lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
>> barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
>> inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
>> reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow
>> up.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Chuck McCown]

Either he will have to quit, die, have a stoke or figure out how to take the 
criticism.  No way around it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4 years if 
he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's heads exploding when 
they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."

I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake oil 
salesman that I almost go apoplectic.

It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with criticism. 
Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all corners? Jeez guy, 
get a pair.

With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a warm and 
fuzzy feeling about this.




bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW 
pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.  

  I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him 
giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, 
monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change 
things.  

  Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he 
missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find out 
what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.  

  Just so he does not start another shooting war...

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job and 
that the press really is being unfair to him.
  I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He 
definitely was combative with the press.  

  I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The 
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he just 
can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to 
grow up.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
  To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  


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On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold 
farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch 
was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember 
getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The barrels were 
actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of 
us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd... 

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator 
from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left

Laughing my ass off 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112




On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

  You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a 
while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS 
has legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a 
threat. 

Good luck with that.

On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

  If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Chuck McCown]

Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature, the 
lake will have to go away too...


-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
brothers...   Got it?

On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.

__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

__ __

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
exploding.  All good stuff.  

 

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.


 

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
have been a good rejoinder.  

 

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

 

*From:*Adam Moffett 

*Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  

 

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow 
up.


 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

 


https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

 

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a
kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager
living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We
had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Bill Prince]

I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4 
years if he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's 
heads exploding when they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."


I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake 
oil salesman that I almost go apoplectic.


It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with 
criticism. Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all 
corners? Jeez guy, get a pair.


With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a 
warm and fuzzy feeling about this.



bp


On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good 
stuff.
I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing 
him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in 
china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp 
enough to actually change things.
Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, 
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you 
can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.

Just so he does not start another shooting war...
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left
For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new 
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  
He definitely was combative with the press.
I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The 
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, 
he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at 
least he needs to grow up.

-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and
2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an
aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had
the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd...
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely
coincidental.

bp


On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field
generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only
works in Cupertino.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left
Laughing my ass off

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112


On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the
border in a while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I
listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/


bp


On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the
border. DHS has legal rights to detain you indefinitely
until they feel like you are not a threat.
Good luck with that.
On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"
 wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them
to show me their warrant.


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:


This recently happened to an individual 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Robert]

Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting 
from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch 
brothers...   Got it?


On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.

__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

__ __

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
exploding.  All good stuff.  

 

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.


 

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
have been a good rejoinder.  

 

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

 

*From:*Adam Moffett 

*Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  

 

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow up.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

 


https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

 

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a
kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager
living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We
had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember
getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator
once.  The barrels were actually orange and had the Olin
logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symp

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jason McKemie]

I absolutely hate Trump, but people don't seem to be paying attention to
what could be just as bad or worse, which is the crazy left wing swing back
that we are going to see in 4 or 8 years.

It would be fun to see Trump voters heads exploding in that swing back,
except for the fact that we are going to pay for it as a country once again.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>
> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
> actually change things.
>
> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
> missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
> out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>
> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
> definitely was combative with the press.
>
> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he
> just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he
> needs to grow up.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>
>
> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%
> 2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-
> media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
>> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
>> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
>> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
>> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
>> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
>> with agent orange.  Odd...
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>>
>> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
>> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>> Laughing my ass off
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usat
>> oday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a
>>> while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:
>>>
>>> http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
>>> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a
>>> threat.
>>>
>>> Good luck with that.
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me
 their warrant.


 On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <
 j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:


 This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone
 from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
 clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.

 On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

 If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices
 like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

They rerouted away from town and close to reservation and water source...
Same shit  different day... Gold in Sioux country... Deadwood... That's the
argument

On Feb 16, 2017 6:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
> and has less a footprint?
>
> I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
>> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
>> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
>> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
>> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
>> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
>> Clown Trump...
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
>> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
>> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
>> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
>> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
>> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
>> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
>> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
>> actually change things.
>>
>>
>>
>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
>> missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
>> out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>>
>>
>> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
>> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>>
>> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
>> definitely was combative with the press.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
>> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he
>> just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he
>> needs to grow up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>
>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>>
>> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>>
>>
>>
>> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>>
>>
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%
>> 2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-
>> media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
>> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
>> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
>> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
>> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
>> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
>> with agent orange.  Odd...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Lewis Bergman]

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
> Clown Trump...
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>
>
>
> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
> actually change things.
>
>
>
> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
> missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
> out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>
>
>
> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>
> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
> definitely was combative with the press.
>
>
>
> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he
> just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he
> needs to grow up.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>
> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>
>
>
> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>
>
>
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
> with agent orange.  Odd...
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/16/17 14:58, Chuck McCown wrote:

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
actually change things.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517

On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
> Clown Trump...
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>
>
>
> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
> actually change things.
>
>
>
> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
> missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
> out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>
>
>
> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>
> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
> definitely was combative with the press.
>
>
>
> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he
> just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he
> needs to grow up.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>
> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>
>
>
> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>
>
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017
> %2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-
> and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
> with agent orange.  Odd...
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *S

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[David Milholen]

Why is it I see eye to eye on this with you Chuck?

I definitely agree with you about a shooting war.. Stir the pot enough 
but not too much.




On 2/16/2017 4:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good 
stuff.
I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing 
him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in 
china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp 
enough to actually change things.
Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, 
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you 
can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.

Just so he does not start another shooting war...
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left
For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new 
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  
He definitely was combative with the press.
I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The 
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, 
he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at 
least he needs to grow up.

-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and
2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an
aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had
the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd...
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely
coincidental.

bp


On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field
generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only
works in Cupertino.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left
Laughing my ass off

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112


On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the
border in a while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I
listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/


bp


On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the
border. DHS has legal rights to detain you indefinitely
until they feel like you are not a threat.
Good luck with that.
On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"
 wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them
to show me their warrant.


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:


This recently happened to an individual with a
government issued phone from NASA JPL, and there's a
huge stink because the DHS didn't have clearance to
view the classification of the material on this device.
On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
wrote:

If you travel outside the country, and carry any
electronic devices like phones and laptops, be
prepared for the possibility they may demand that
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Ken Hohhof]

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual stocks 
and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as emphasizing 
Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock 
prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but no 
way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW 
pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.  

 

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him giving 
the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey 
with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change 
things.  

 

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he 
missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find out 
what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.  

 

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

 

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job and 
that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He 
definitely was combative with the press.  

 

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The numbers 
speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he just can't 
accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow 
up.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >

To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

 

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

 

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold farm 
chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was 
producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember getting 
coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually 
orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever 
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd... 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

 

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.

 

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from Steve 
Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

 

Laughing my ass off 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112

 

 

 

On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a while, I 
was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/

 

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has legal 
rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a threat. 

 

Good luck with that.

 

On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their 
warrant.

 

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

 

This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone from 
NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn'

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Chuck McCown]

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW 
pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.  

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him giving 
the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey 
with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change 
things.  

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he 
missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find out 
what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.  

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job and 
that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He 
definitely was combative with the press.  

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The numbers 
speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he just can't 
accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow 
up.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071


  On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold 
farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch 
was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember 
getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The barrels were 
actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of 
us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd... 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.



bp


On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from 
Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  Laughing my ass off 
  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112




  On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a 
while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

  http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/



bp


On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has 
legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a 
threat. 

  Good luck with that.

  On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me 
their warrant.



On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:




This recently happened to an individual with a government issued 
phone from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have 
clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.

On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic 
devices like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may 
demand that you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and 
social media posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think 
they need a warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only 
detain your for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the 
same rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.

  There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  
That would probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.


  From: Af