[AsburyPark] Great Music Lineup at Wonder Bar this Friday Night for Book Release Party!
I've got a great lineup of artists to help me celebrate the release of my latest book, Are You Listening? -- a look at the Top 100 Albums of 2001-2010 by New Jersey Artists. Books will be for sale and can be signed if you wish. Admission is $5 and music runs from 7pm to midnight. Here's the lineup: Friday, August 12 @ the Wonder Bar, Asbury Park * Arlan Feiles * Brian Fitzpatrick and the Band of Brothers * Brian Molnar and the Naked Hearts * The Commons (special one-time reunion of Keith Monacchio's old band) * Val Emmich (previewing songs from his upcoming CD) In addition to Are You Listening? copies of Beyond The Palace - the first comprehensive look at the history of Asbury Park's rock and roll scene will be for sale as well! Hope to see you there! -Gary Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
There's good software out there that'll create a pirate station for less
than $500. Simple hardware added to a computer with about a 10 watt reach.
I'd love for them to open up a way for LPFM licenses rather than run the
risk of going pirate... But it's tempting :)
Mike Hemeon wrote:
You could set up a 100 watt station and get the range of WYGG, further
if you can get you antenna up higher. You can pick up a 10 or 20 watt
transmitter for a few hundred dollars. All you need is a small mixer,
a laptop, some DJ software and you are on the air. You can automate it
so you never have to be there.
Twenty watts will give you about three good miles depending on the
height of the antenna.
The FCC doesn't have time to mess with pirate stations as long as you
don't interfere with other stations and keep the obscenity down, but
in NJ they have their own state law that makes it a felony to operate
any sort of radio transmitting equipment without a license. 104.7
looks open.
From: Jack Pitzer hing...@yahoo.com mailto:hinge98%40yahoo.com
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:16:50 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
What about a smaller station, like a pirate one, that has a smaller
power output and
broadcasts to a micro market.
--- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ...
wrote:
Since there are no more frequencies to be had, the only way to
create such a station
would be to buy a radio station and change the format OR perhaps take
your chances on a
pirate station. You might aproach the non-comm stations that are at
the college and
universities to program at least a few hours a day of GROCK type
programming. They may
already be picking up on it.
There is going to be a protest at the station on Saturday to
reinstate the old
programming this should be good. It will be great publicity for the
station.
http://www.app. com/article/ 20090122/ NEWS/90122024
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From: Jack Pitzer hing...@...
To: asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:32:44 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
You seem pretty knowledgeable about radio.
In your opinion, besides the money aspect, what do you think it
would take to create a
similar radio station to GROCK.
How could one scale down and operate on a smaller budget and still
serve the
community?
It seems like the audience is there. Aren't they as vital to the
success of radio as is the
teen demographic that the change is gear toward?
There's already so many stations in our area playing exactly the
same top 40.
--- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ...
wrote:
Grock is two radio stations that with a combined coverage area from
northern Monmouth county to beyond Atlantic City. They are far from
worthless
properties
or in jeopardy of going off the air anytime soon regardless of what
format they adopt. It
is
just a matter of how much money they will make.
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From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@
To: asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:45:11 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
It's definitely a loss to the entire music scene within it's
listening range.
I know so many people that listen to this station at work, and I'm
sure they are up in
arms,
and in search of what to listen to next. This will probably be
another nail in the coffin
of
terrestrial radio.
--- In asburyp...@yahoogro ups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@
... wrote:
Or said another way, everyone here is always talking about AP
and its
music scene. Well, a huge part of the music scene here (Pony,
Convention Hall) and at Starland is alternative. Beyonce will
not be
playing at the Pony any time soon. But the one station that would
sponsor shows and announce shows at these venues is now gone. I
think
that is a loss to our music scene.
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Save GRock
Oak, The idea of going pirate is extremely tempting for many of us with internet radio stations. If I had just 5-10 watts, I could easily reach 100,000 people on the beach each summer. That's a bit more than my potential right now :) oakdorf wrote: --- jack read this. Let ur pirate fantasies take over... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBFR_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBFR_(pirate_radio) Didn't there used to be a pirate station that operated off the NJ coast - or did I see a movie? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Free Show! Twisted Covers, this Sunday
Twisted Covers returns for its first show of 2009 this Sunday at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman. Twisted Covers is a monthly show that features artists from the tri-state area covering a spotlighted artist and playing their original tunes as well. Admission is free and the show is open to anyone. It'll take place 5pm to 8pm. This month's spotlight is on the songs of Simon Garfunkel. Artists scheduled to perform include George Wirth, Michael Brett, The Sunday Blues, Cook Smith, Catherine Wacha, Anton Daub, Rob Neil, and Sunny. Feel free to BYOB. There's usually some people enjoying wine or beer while they have dinner at the Tree. Hope to see some of you there! -Gary Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Save GRock
Grock was just a shell of the station that the old 106.3 was. As far as sponsoring shows in the area, most of the time radio stations aren't bringing these acts to the area they are just promoting the show through advertising. The acts will still come, the venues will just have to find other places to promote the shows from. The old 106.3 routinely packed clubs with the shows they sponsored. I've been to shows that Grock promoted that only brought a dozen people to The Saint. It didn't surprise me at all that the station changed formats. Many of the old 106.3 fans bolted when the corporation took over and judging by the way they sometimes struggled with the shows they promoted, they didn't have a fraction of the audience numbers. charlie wrote: Havn't posted in awhile... I remember the original station when I was in HS, FM106.3. That was a good station... Then it sold and out came G rock. G rock was pretty bad when it first came out, for a few years actually... But It got better. I turned on the station the other day unaware of the change.. Wow, it's pure garbage! In time it may get better, the same way G rock did. Who knows. But it's already off to a bad since they are promoting a cheese based music style. G rock differed, they did suck at first, but at least they started out with heart promoting what the station had alwasy been about. Who knows, we will see what happens. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Closing time for a rock theme park
The big difference is that Asbury Park could really do something with music history (or New Jersey music history) while South Carolina was trying to do something for Led Zeppelin fans... odd, considering that's a band from Britain. dsher4 wrote: This is not intended to tweak anyone but i thought this was interesting that this music themed park failed. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123128760224559189.html? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123128760224559189.html? mod=googlenews_wsj Hard Rock Park, a 140-acre theme park in Myrtle Beach, S.C., opened with great fanfare last April, hoping to lure tourists with a penchant for roller coasters and Led Zeppelin. Now, though, despite four years in development and two years in construction, the attraction is unplugging just nine months after opening. Yesterday, a Delaware bankruptcy judge approved the company's request to begin liquidating what was billed as the world's first rock 'n' roll theme park and the single-largest tourism investment in South Carolina history. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Fess up..Which One of You Was It ;-)
I can honestly say I have never visited the Fox website, so it definitely wasn't me even though I agree with the poster. Let's face it, a LOT of publications do very well as shopper publications (i.e. just ads) -- if you want another example in our backyard just look at Night Day Magazine. That publication stopped doing reporting or articles several years ago and the lack of content has only increased the amount of ad pages. Smaller than Tri-City (a mini-tab as opposed to a tabloid paper), Night Day easily is north of 80 pages every time out. But a recent skim of the last issue found only two articles with bylines (other than columns from a politician and a lawyer, which always leave me scratching my head as to why they are even in the publication) and the rest being content that could be copied from a phone book. It used to bother me that publications based on content struggle so much, but it's like that for many things. Original bands struggle to make a buck while bands that only play covers can make a nice living. The offensive thing is having people who have never seen TCN treat it in the same manner as the NY Times or Washington Post. It is nothing like a real paper. It's not even like a real city weekly. It is what it is and it is successful at it. Just don't call it a newspaper... justifiedright wrote: Someone left this post over at Fox: Comment by TillieFromAP December 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm That Tri City News doesn't have news in it, just provincial blather and ads. You really can't compare that to a city daily. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Gannett Co. Inc. has eliminated 206 positions
As a former publisher, I give Tri City full props for making it this far; however, I doubt many in business would think a good business model would be to charge the same price for advertising today as they did for their first issue 7 or 8 (however long its been) years ago. I say this because paper costs have increased, printing costs have increased, ink has increased, trucking fees (to bring the paper and supplies) has increased... When they say they are undercharging for advertising, they mean it. I doubt many businesses could make a living without any price increases in this much time - especially if their industry had costs rise so significantly. oakdorf wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet triCityNews has just passed the 70 page mark. Better business model - better journalism model. the tri city is like the net publish a bit of content, give it away for free to be paid for with ads price what is perceived to be cheap. Each page is looked at as is this page profitable for me to produce.. Ad revenue vs content vs cost of production per page. The Internet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....
There are a lot of music fans who would agree with this idea... wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could never understand how a small place could hold a venue for some of the big names there! Acoustics are terrible and makes my ears bleed! I think the entire block should just be the Stone Pony, instead of the closet, it seems to be! Those that think everything in Asbury Park should be torn down and make way for the new, should build around and inside to enlarge the place, THEN, what a draw for the OTHER thing AP is known for, MUSIC! I could see Bruce re-opening the place. Yeah, I could! == Visionary, VISIONARY... Guess we are the only ones. I have recommended many times that the Pony be retained and enlarged on the current site. Unfortunately those in charge are myopic. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Twisted Covers FREE Show on Sunday
Twisted Covers returns this Sunday to the Twisted Tree Cafe with the spotlight on the band HEART. Music starts at 5pm and admission is free. Artists scheduled to perform include Divine Sign, Eryn Shewell, Maybe Pete, Catherine Wacha, Pat Ruh and more. This will be the last Twisted Covers show of 2008 so come out and hang out with some of the area's best musicians. The series is expected to return in January with a spotlight on Simon Garfunkel. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Twisted Covers spotlights JOHNNY CASH on Sunday
Twisted Covers returns to the Twisted Tree Cafe this Sunday with a spotlight on the career of Johnny Cash. We'll be remembering the fifth anniversary of The Man In Black's passing with a stellar lineup of artists. Scheduled to perform are such artists as Michael Patrick, Jon Caspi, George Wirth, Michael Brett, Keith McCarthy, Dave Tucker, the Basement Musicians, and many more! Artists perform two covers by Johnny Cash and then one of their own originals. It's a great way to see artists in the area that you may have heard about but haven't seen yet. And since the show is open to all ages, families are always welcome. Show is scheduled to begin at 5pm and should run until around 9pm or so. Admission is free. So come out to the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue this Sunday and see some of the area's best musicians! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Cover Charges vs. Parking Meters
The beaches are also free in one of New Jersey's most populated tourism areas - Wildwood. As someone that lives in a beach town, I largely question the beach fees. I don't know any towns that offer a discounted beach rate for those who live in the town and I think that's pretty ridiculous. The beach fees are to pay for lifeguards, beach cleanup, and police - mainly to protect against the offset of visitors from outside the town. So, why do residents have to pay the same amount when our taxes are already helping to pay for such things? justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You clam diggers were bred on paying for the beach. In NY they are free. True. True. In most great places they are free. Many years back it made some sense. Asbury's 17,000 locals had to pay, but they were making a furtune back when the City had 150,000 tourists bedding down on a Saturday night. If you look at the numbers today, we're just taxing ourselves. The whole thing was premature. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fast Lane
LOL, That's probably because Julian Cope was late for his own show (he was hanging at the Stone Pony watching Bruce) - at least that's the story I was told by several folks. Jack Pitzer wrote: I once got mistaken for Julian Cope at a Julian Cope show there. I think I even signed a few autographs... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Heather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be sad to see the Fast Lane be torn down. I went to a lot of great shows there back in the day (the day being the early- mid 90s). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: Fastlane, so what excuse are they using now? and Lehman Bros, Merrill etc had has well. I'll just put my awards from Merrill right next to my esperanza beach bag. Next to pictures of old girlfriends. Getting old sucks. They were giving away tix to hanson. Can't tell you how much I paid when my kid was little to see them. It's a new and old AP. New venues, old venues. As Dan says, get used to it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Cover Charges vs. Parking Meters
I've questioned how the meters were implemented - specifically running the meters until 2am and using a system that was tried, failed and removed in Belmar within the past few years. I wouldn't call that whining, I call it criticisms. If Asbury Park was one of several towns to run meters that long I wouldn't even have mentioned it, but the fact is that the vast majority of towns in our area stop the meters at 5,6, or 7 o'clock -- beach towns or not. BTW, does anyone know if the meters are to run all year long? (most of the beach towns like Belmar and Bradley Beach remove the meters after Labor Day) justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We pay for parking by the beachfront. Get used to it. Speak for youself. When they put the meters in we went elsewhere. We don't pay for parking at the beach. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Amazing new hotel in AP
Very cool news! I wish them a lot of success. Jack Pitzer wrote: Have any of you checked out the new Tides Hotel on 7th Ave? It's truly amazing. I went for a tour yesterday. Beautiful rooms, really cool bar, restaurant and lobby. Totally hip. They even have a nice big pool out back. The owner is really nice and I highly recommend stopping by for a look. They have a temporary website up at http://www.hoteltides.com/ http://www.hoteltides.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Parking Meters
I'd much rather have parking garages making a fortune than parking meters, but that's probably just me. I've always thought you could do more - include more car spaces in a limited area - with a parking garage than meters. As for the meters, I didn't have a problem using them with change, but the machine I used couldn't get my credit card to work even after many tries. I still don't understand why they need to run until 2am and running them all night is insane! oakdorf wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in the opposite direction that you want to go in, just to pay you're meter. Be happy. In alot of places, you have to walk BACK to your car and stick the receipt in the window. How about Long Branch Train station - you have to fold flat as tight as you can $3.00 or something and slip in a slot and then jam it in. Try doing that when you're late for a train...or park in Eleberon for free. How about paying to park in NYC. Pay about $48.00 or more to park to see a show. Cash Only I've said it before - I fantasize about a couple things - owning a parking lot is one. .50 per hour is cheap. Like some lawyer told my dad when he was hired to testify at some case. The lawyer asked him how much he got. He said $35.00 hour. The lawyer told him he can't have an expert at $35.00 hour - 'experts' get $250 hour (then). Summer of 2009, raise the meter rates. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
I don't think it's wrong to be critical of the way the system was implemented.This is a system, which people have shown quite a bit of confusion in using - one that had at least one local town (Belmar) eliminate the system for that very reason. The meters also run a good 5 hours longer than any of the nearby towns. I think those two points are definitely worth discussing and debating. dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True I don't get that. The city buys these units and then MM opens free lots. The city should explain to us tax payers The lots will not be free but MM cannot charge to park there until they recieve COs. The city asked MM to open them up free in the interim to help the parking situation. Some of you are too critical even when the city tries to do something good. Damend ifyou do and damned if you don't. The parking meters are good for this city. The implementation was not perfect. People hate change. They will learn to use the system. Parking is never free. There is always a cost. Time for people to grow up. Its not your uncle's AP anymore. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
Belmar actually tried a parking meter system like that a year or two but removed it in favor of the old system of one meter per space because too many people complained about not understanding where they should be paying for their spot. New signs would definitely be helpful as there are areas where you really have to look quite a distance to find the machine to pay. Jack Pitzer wrote: To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but they are confused by the new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning curve. Also, why pay when you can park in the new lot's that MM built which aren't being monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the SP and by the Casino. Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it. This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise positive summer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better than a speed trap, huh? I get it, don't you? Greetings From Asbury Park! Park here and get an instant discount of $26.00! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations BY NANCY SHIELDS • COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU • AUGUST 30, 2008 ASBURY PARK — City officials Friday said they will order and post larger signs — perhaps 12 by 18 inches — directing people to the new beachfront pay stations at each intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot they parked in. Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park began enforcing metered parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for not paying to park is $26. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Obama Party in AP....
I love how the left is portrayed as having no original thoughts yet I would imagine the vast majority of writers to lean towards the left. The left is portrayed as having no sense of humor yet the majority of comedians lean towards the left. The left is portrayed as the intellectual elite yet derided as having no ideas. How can these things all be true when they cancel each other out? justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, that's right! Just a taste of the ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) Proving once again the left has no original thought. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] parking tickets - I'm amazed!
It was inevitable that parking meters would show up someday, but I can't believe they've got the meters going until 2am! Last night, I saw three people get parking tickets around 9pm. There must have been about 800 or more empty spaces, but the parking enforcement was full out checking up on the cars. I think it's probably smart to have meters on ocean avenue like most shore towns do. I don't think it's so smart to have meters all over the place like they do. And, it's not very bright at all to have the meters going all night. If they really wanted to kill the idea of the boardwalk as a destination area, this may have been their best move yet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: parking tickets - I'm amazed!
I'm pretty sure most Shore towns don't have meters go after 6 or 7pm. In fact, I had never seen a meter go to 2am until last night. Places like Red Bank, New Brunswick and Princeton turn off meters at by 7-8pm - even in their entertainment zones. dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's probably smart to have meters on ocean avenue like most shore towns do. I don't think it's so smart to have meters all over the place like they do. And, it's not very bright at all to have the meters going all night. If they really wanted to kill the idea of the boardwalk as a destination area, this may have been their best move yet. They only go up to kingsley. Maybe 12 am would be better but we are talking about a future entertainment zone. Do the other towns kill the meters at night? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Twisted Covers - THE REPLACEMENTS - this Sunday!
Twisted Covers returns to the Twisted Tree Cafe on Sunday for our final show of the summer! We'll be featuring songs by 80s legend, The Replacements. Admission is free and the show runs from 5pm to 8pm, so enjoy the beach and then come hang out with some of the area's top musicians. Artists scheduled include Maybe Pete, Keith McCarthy, Michael Brett, Rob Dye, Pete Jager, Chris Smith, and one or two more that should show up. For more information visit www.twistedcovers.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: parking tickets - I'm amazed!
Understood, but that was them being obvious. The parking meters basically make me think twice about wanting to go out in that area - especially when I see parking attendants all over the place at 9pm. This is a lot more sneaky imo. wernerapnj wrote: --- No, that's already been done via the land use plan and zoning of the redevelopment area. 3000+ condos.. remember Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: parking tickets - I'm amazed!
Maybe that's why I never go to Seaside... LOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go to Seaside, meters till 2am and the charge off-season near the beach. Sent via BlackBerry 8310 *From*: lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Date*: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:54:20 -0400 *To*: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: parking tickets - I'm amazed! I'm pretty sure most Shore towns don't have meters go after 6 or 7pm. In fact, I had never seen a meter go to 2am until last night. Places like Red Bank, New Brunswick and Princeton turn off meters at by 7-8pm - even in their entertainment zones. dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's probably smart to have meters on ocean avenue like most shore towns do. I don't think it's so smart to have meters all over the place like they do. And, it's not very bright at all to have the meters going all night. If they really wanted to kill the idea of the boardwalk as a destination area, this may have been their best move yet. They only go up to kingsley. Maybe 12 am would be better but we are talking about a future entertainment zone. Do the other towns kill the meters at night? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: parking tickets - I'm amazed!
That's what I thought too, but Asbury has had them out big time Thursday and Friday night this week. justifiedright wrote: Don't quote me cause Im not certain but I didn't think any town enforced meters after 5 or 6, and certainly not after sundown. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Complaints? Negativity?
Although they do go to Liverpool to visit the Cavern Club... which isn't the real Cavern Club. arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had lunch at Brickwall. Met a couple from the UK. They asked directions to the Pony. Big Bruce fans. They are staying in Manhattan but it was always in their plans to come here to see the Pony and the streets that Bruce walked. Golden opportunities are being mixed. It is an industry waiting to be capitalized.You do not even have to create it. Make the Pony part of a working music museum. If yoy ran things right you coud probsbly keep a hotel fully booked with foreign Bruce tourists. That being said, I highly doubt people like that would come to Asbury to see a relocated Stone Pony in a building like the casino. A hotel/restaurant/museum on the Stone Pony block would be an absolute score... packed with tourists and music enthusiasts all year round. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there
The original ideas were NOT for a ROCK and ROLL museum - it was a museum highlighting the entire history of music in New Jersey. This history, in case you're not familiar with the artists, is pretty extensive. In fact, many musical firsts throughout our country's history were done or created by people from Jersey. Rock, pop, opera, jazz, hip-hop, country, etc.For example, Newark, New Jersey was one of the top cities in the world for jazz musicians while artists like Frank Sinatra remain one of the biggest names in the world. This museum idea would bring crowds. Unfortunately, the people behind the idea do not have money and the people with money don't have the foresight. jennanna13 wrote: Oh boy- Do we really think that a ANOTHER rock and roll museum is needed in Asbury Park? Wouldn't it be cooler to recreate another great time in Asbury Park instead of continuing to live in the past and talk about it over and over again..It seems to be as bad as making the stone pony a theme restaurant.. Wouldnt you rather have a theater that was used for cultural events like burlesque, theater, spoken word, that would bring a more refined taste...maybe, just maybe??? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake up MM! Rock and Roll Hall of Fame adds NYC location Mayor Bloomberg is expected to announce Wednesday that the Cleveland-based museum and hall of fame is opening an annex in downtown Manhattan. Print Email Add a comment (AP) - The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is coming to New York. Mayor Michael Bloomberg is expected to announce Wednesday that the Cleveland-based museum and hall of fame is opening an annex in downtown Manhattan. Billy Joel and Clive Davis are going to join the mayor at the location in the SoHo neighborhood. It will be the first time the hall of fame has expanded outside Cleveland. The 25,000-square-foot annex will house Bruce Springsteen's 1957 Chevy and will feature a number of different exhibits, including one featuring New York City-based sites that have musical significance. ©Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Twisted Covers - The Who - this Sunday in Asbury
Twisted Covers returns this Sunday with a spotlight on the career of The Who and solo work by Pete Townshend. The show features some of the best artists from the area performing two covers and then an original song or two. We hold it on the last Sunday of each month at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. Admission is free. Show runs from 5pm to 8pm. This month's scheduled artists include George Wirth, Michael Brett, Joe Harvard, Tony Tedesco, Alex Biese, Emily Grove, Keith McCarthy and Lindsey Miller, Gil Velasquez, and Anthony D'Amato. If you're looking for something to do to wrap up the weekend, come hang out with us! For more information visit www.twistedcovers.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Twisted Covers this Sunday
Twisted Covers returns this Sunday with a spotlight on the career of The Who and solo work by Pete Townshend. The show features some of the best artists from the area performing two covers and then an original song or two. We hold it on the last Sunday of each month at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue in Asbury Park. Admission is free. Show runs from 5pm to 8pm. This month's scheduled artists include George Wirth, Michael Brett, Joe Harvard, Tony Tedesco, Alex Biese, Emily Grove, Keith McCarthy and Lindsey Miller, Gil Velasquez, Cook Smith, and Anthony D'Amato. If you're looking for something to do to wrap up the weekend, come hang out with us! For more information visit www.twistedcovers.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why AP is coming back.
Downtown is definitely a big part of it, but one thing that many people doubted is also true. People simply didn't believe that Asbury Park could be a tourist destination again. Let's be honest here. How many people on this board said things like people have given up on Asbury for Point Pleasant or other places? In fact, one of the biggest supporters of Asbury Park used to say that he didn't believe Monmouth County could be a place for tourism anymore. I never believed that. I knew that Asbury Park was special to a great many people - both because of the music history as well as the overall boardwalk (and Palace/Casino) experience and memories. Now that the city is slowing looking better each year, the people are coming back. And there's no doubt in my mind that Asbury Park not only could have crowds like last weekend every weekend but someday will. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. Asbury Park is not in the middle of nowhere. It's surrounded by towns that regularly get tens of thousands of visitors each weekend and Asbury was the biggest of them all. The biggest mistake was having people forget about Asbury's tourism potential... ten years from now people will scratch their heads and wonder why the city demolished everything for condos rather than use what is already in place - a beautiful boardwalk, ocean, and music history. jandlinap wrote: --- There is a huge reason why AP is coming back... and noone wants to say that its the people who have in recent years made an investment in buying homes... its those that have gone to the downtown...and made an investment. The beach and the boardwalk have always been here... 3 years ago it wasnt safe to walk Cookman... now its a dining at arts center. So when we talk about whats really bringing AP back.. lets think about those that own homes...have fixed them up... pay taxes... shop in the downtown stores..(although not that many .. but more coming ...) eat in the restaurants... have a cup of coffee... have a drink... this is truly what is bringing Asbury Park Back... so yes.. support the boardwalk..its an exciting place to be.. (and ralphs is great...and next season he will be DOWNTOWN too)... but dont forget the downtown.. that is what will keep AP strong! In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife actaully stopped with me twice on Sunday in AP. REd Rasberry Ralph's Ice (at 1pm) and Peanut Butter at 10 pm. If anyone could top that, let me know. Now that's one for the record books. A sunday morning bike ride from Ocean Twp and down the boardwalk. Stops along the way - Motif, Style Rocket (she's buying the checker shorts this week...), etc etc. Thought we'd turn around at OG, but she was on a friends bike that semed to ride itself. Wound up at Avon Pavillon for breakfast - but the nuts there stopped breakfast at 11 am (sunday go figure). So we rode to Kleins Fish market in Belmar. Great lunch. Way back stoped in OG ahd napped on the pier, then back through AP. Ralph's for her first of a lifetime ice from Ralphs.,,, Stopped in Posh Den and I bs'd with (I forgot his name) but we're the same age and remembered driving through AP to get to Belmar It may be slow going - things will fail and things will succeed. It's 11 now. I have a meeting in AP around 1. Just wondering what flavor ice I'll get today. The weather has been amazing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why AP is coming back.
Glenn, I just wanted to remind some of the folks who truly believed that the idea of tourism being dead that what we've seen this summer was, indeed, tourism. I'm not saying tourism will cure all of Asbury's pains, but it sure will do more than condos in my opinion. Personally, I think Asbury's tourism would literally go through the roof if the hotel that was supposed to be part of the redevelopment ever gets built. A new hotel by the beach will bring numbers that will astound people imo. dapawprint wrote: All, I agree that Asbury Park is having a rebirth of tourism. The numbers of people on the boardwalk, last weekend's gridlock; yes, tourism is coming back. This is good, but I still have reservations with regard to the City as a whole. I should place a disclaimer here, lightgrw, that this post is a general post and not intended as a rebuttal to your post. We have all heard Werner (and others) drone on about rateable's. Why do you think that is? Well, I am a tourist. I visit your City because all of you take time from your lives to show me about and make my vacation enjoyable. Why should I care about rateable's? I DO care about the rateable's. Why? Because when I visit your fine City and spend time with all of you, I am also spending money. Where is that revenue really going? If I spend money on Cookman Avenue, I am helping a rateable. If I spend money on the Boardwalk, I am helping a group of developers. Well, now, that is a give-and-take, isn't it? The development is bringing people in, I suppose that helps the big picture, but the picture is stained in my opinion. Those chicken fingers that I bought at Biggies (and tried to walk over to O'Tooles to eat and was denied) made no money for the Little League, the Bike Church, or the School District. Those Biggie chicken fingers made money for the same entity that is making money at O'Toole's where I was turned away. This makes sense how? I watched a very enjoyable Independence Day parade in Asbury Park. How many of the Parade marchers did I see on the Boardwalk after? I am sure that there were some, but I was not able to identify ANY. Tourism will bring in money, most of it for developers, the CITY needs money!! The KIDS need to feel wanted and accepted. Whitey Houston: The Children are our Future It's TRUE! I agree, things are looking up, I personally would like to see an effort by the City and the Developers to include EVERYONE!! One thing that might help with that is for the City to wake the Tax Assessor up and send him out to re-assess the value of the renovations. THAT would increase the rateable base and show the City some money! (Assuming that the developers use my chicken finger money to pay their taxes!) Symmetry, diversity, A team. Best wishes, Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Downtown is definitely a big part of it, but one thing that many people doubted is also true. People simply didn't believe that Asbury Park could be a tourist destination again. Let's be honest here. How many people on this board said things like people have given up on Asbury for Point Pleasant or other places? In fact, one of the biggest supporters of Asbury Park used to say that he didn't believe Monmouth County could be a place for tourism anymore. I never believed that. I knew that Asbury Park was special to a great many people - both because of the music history as well as the overall boardwalk (and Palace/Casino) experience and memories. Now that the city is slowing looking better each year, the people are coming back. And there's no doubt in my mind that Asbury Park not only could have crowds like last weekend every weekend but someday will. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. Asbury Park is not in the middle of nowhere. It's surrounded by towns that regularly get tens of thousands of visitors each weekend and Asbury was the biggest of them all. The biggest mistake was having people forget about Asbury's tourism potential... ten years from now people will scratch their heads and wonder why the city demolished everything for condos rather than use what is already in place - a beautiful boardwalk, ocean, and music history. jandlinap wrote: --- There is a huge reason why AP is coming back... and noone wants to say that its the people who have in recent years made an investment in buying homes... its those that have gone to the downtown...and made an investment. The beach and the boardwalk have always been here... 3 years ago it wasnt safe to walk Cookman... now its a dining at arts center. So when we talk about whats really bringing AP back.. lets think about those that own homes...have fixed them up... pay taxes... shop in the downtown stores..(although not that many .. but more coming ...) eat
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why AP is coming back.
I have and still do agree with you 100% on this Werner. And it's nice to see the crowds even on weekends where people can't say things like yeah but crowds will always come on holidays --- these are tourism built crowds. And it's great to see again... wernerapnj wrote: Asbury Park appears to be 'Coming Back' because finally the land uses that I recommended be the first step 6 years ago are finally (late) coming to fruition. The industry of Asbury Park has traditionally been to empty visitors wallets and send them home happy. No other community nearby has the assets available and in place to do that in this region to the extent that Asbury Park could. As more people realize that visitors and a destination economy is of great benefit to the City, the more I can say I told you so :-P Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] amazing crowd for the fireworks
Asbury Park had another great year of fireworks with a crowd bigger than any I have seen since the early 80s. Scenes like last night make me seriously wonder why some people doubt Asbury Park could be a tourist attraction again. I'm sure many city residents were watching the fireworks display, but tons of people from outside Asbury came to watch as well. If this city wanted to - and put their resources and energy behind tourism - Asbury Park's tourism would thrive again... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] amazing crowd for the fireworks
What I meant was that this weekend was another reminder as to why tourism would probably be an easier sell than million dollar condos... charlie wrote: Asbury Park had another great year of fireworks with a crowd bigger than any I have seen since the early 80s. Scenes like last night make me seriously wonder why some people doubt Asbury Park could be a tourist attraction again. I'm sure many city residents were watching the fireworks display, but tons of people from outside Asbury came to watch as well. If this city wanted to - and put their resources and energy behind tourism - Asbury Park's tourism would thrive again... Of course it could be, and people will always flock in masses to events like this. But the fact remains that there arn't really any huge attraction type things planned. The entertainment zone hasn't been built yet however, so the door is open. Can you really picture widliness like what existed last night in the mix with million dollar condos everywhere? They don't mix? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant
Well, I think I can speak from experience here (as the publisher and owner of Upstage Magazine for its first four years) -- there is FAR too much politics around here regarding the venues and where they advertise. My publication had an audience that was well within many of the city magazines throughout the country. We also placed our copies free in music-related towns from Asbury Park to New Brunswick (far enough to reach a good number of people, but all within a 40 mile radius, so people could go from show to show) and our online audience had numbers that rivaled or surpassed the entertainment sections of the major papers. So, we had a good readership and the numbers people should have been interested in. What I found is that there were venues that absolutely would not advertise because their friend owned a different paper, venues that continued to look towards the daily paper to reach an audience of under 25 year olds that were no longer turning to daily papers, and those who simply didn't advertise nearly in the same manner as venues around the country do. This is a very strange area. Elsewhere, venues would feel the need to advertise in EVERY city/entertainment paper. Around here, they don't. I never understood it and it almost drove me crazy for a few years. That's why I got out of the business. sandpiper15 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many ads are now taken out in print? And who reads them? Does an 18 year old or 21 year old read the Press (paper) or App.com (if you can find the entertainment section). What's the actual readership of the TRi-City? This is pretty much what I was talking about here. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/38386 Go to any college campus in or around Boston and half the students will have a copy of the Phoenix with them - and not for the articles. They go straight to the middle and scan the ads to find out who's playing the Avalon, the Orpheum, Great Scott, The Paradise, etc. Same thing with the Voice in New York and the ads for the Bowery, Hammerstein, Highline, Northsix, etc. The difference is those papers are free, with commensurate circulation numbers that attract enough advertisers to keep them afloat. The Press, meanwhile, charges 50 cents /and /looks like a dull industry newsletter. Why /would/ an 18 to 21 year-old feel compelled to read it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant
Let's just say the reason these clubs aren't sold out every weekend isn't solely because people don't like to go out and hear new music and it's not only because of any stigmas related to Asbury Park. There are far too many businesses around New Jersey (and especially in this area) that don't realize advertising is key to luring crowds and making money. sandpiper15 wrote: I had no idea. Sounds like these folks never left high school, which is quite telling. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I think I can speak from experience here (as the publisher and owner of Upstage Magazine for its first four years) -- there is FAR too much politics around here regarding the venues and where they advertise. My publication had an audience that was well within many of the city magazines throughout the country. We also placed our copies free in music-related towns from Asbury Park to New Brunswick (far enough to reach a good number of people, but all within a 40 mile radius, so people could go from show to show) and our online audience had numbers that rivaled or surpassed the entertainment sections of the major papers. So, we had a good readership and the numbers people should have been interested in. What I found is that there were venues that absolutely would not advertise because their friend owned a different paper, venues that continued to look towards the daily paper to reach an audience of under 25 year olds that were no longer turning to daily papers, and those who simply didn't advertise nearly in the same manner as venues around the country do. This is a very strange area. Elsewhere, venues would feel the need to advertise in EVERY city/entertainment paper. Around here, they don't. I never understood it and it almost drove me crazy for a few years. That's why I got out of the business. sandpiper15 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: How many ads are now taken out in print? And who reads them? Does an 18 year old or 21 year old read the Press (paper) or App.com (if you can find the entertainment section). What's the actual readership of the TRi-City? This is pretty much what I was talking about here. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/38386 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/38386 Go to any college campus in or around Boston and half the students will have a copy of the Phoenix with them - and not for the articles. They go straight to the middle and scan the ads to find out who's playing the Avalon, the Orpheum, Great Scott, The Paradise, etc. Same thing with the Voice in New York and the ads for the Bowery, Hammerstein, Highline, Northsix, etc. The difference is those papers are free, with commensurate circulation numbers that attract enough advertisers to keep them afloat. The Press, meanwhile, charges 50 cents /and /looks like a dull industry newsletter. Why /would/ an 18 to 21 year-old feel compelled to read it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Twisted Covers - Tom Waits - this Sunday!
If you're looking for something to do this Sunday, you should consider checking out Twisted Covers! This month features a spotlight on the career of Tom Waits. The show runs from 5pm to 8pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman and admission is free. Artists scheduled to perform include Michael Patrick, George Wirth, Rick Barry, Joe Harvard, Alex Biese, Robert Neil, Keith McCarthy, and The Hesh! For more info visit http://www.twistedcovers.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] after the fact rant
Hesh, The only mention I saw in the paper was in the concert calendar where they listed: The Saint - Wave Gathering Festival, artists TBA Shockingly, a festival with over 175 artists didn't even warrant a spot on their picks for the week ahead. My guess is that the festival didn't take out an ad so they were left out of coverage. It's a shame. Heshy wrote: Why is it that there was a major music event taking place over 2 days and 3 nights in the city, with barely any mention, if at all, in the local paper that prides itself on being the arbiter of all that's fair, right, and hip in AP? ~Heshy www.myspace.com/hesh Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Beach Camera is Working at the City Website
There's a lot more MAC users on this list... rook782 wrote: Also funny that Werner, Oak and Jack are MAC users. I know there are arguments back and forth about MAC, but I thought it funny the three of you are MAC users. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Beach Camera is Working at the City Website
I would so love an Apple store in Asbury... Just picked up an iphone in Freehold the other day. I've got two Macs to go along with about 4 pcs. I absolutely hate the PCs but need them for certain pieces of software. I'd imagine that about 75% of the folks who give Macs a chance, never go back to PC. oakdorf wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also funny that Werner, Oak and Jack are MAC users. I know there are arguments back and forth about MAC, but I thought it funny the three of you are MAC users. Put it this way, for quite a few years I did ok consulting - all windows stuff. I knew every file, every problem everything. I also spent many, many hours at home fighting my various computers over the years from installing 32 disks on a pc for windows to dropping off the pcs's every other week somewhere to get them fixed and never getting them back The final straw(s) were: 1. compaq telling me that to fix the little on off button that collasped into the body - can't be fixed and the guy i took it to couldn't do it. My son rigged up an eraser and tape that worked. Then it crashed again. 2. Those mac vs pc commercials and the kids laughing. yes, you pay more for the mac, but you can also schedule an appointment at the freehold store, walk in they look at it and either fix it or order you what you need and it's there in a day or two. And that was only ONE time in over 2 years for one and never sp far for the other. That, to me is worth it. One of these days, i'll fix m website as well using the mac. And it looks cooler when you're around the younger crowd. Be pretty cool to see an APPLE store in Cookman -like in remaining space of the steinbach building, right? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Very Special Twisted Covers show this Sunday in Asbury Park
Twisted Covers Presents 'Locals Covering Locals' (ASBURY PARK, NJ) -- Twisted Covers makes its return to the Twisted Tree Cafe in Asbury Park on Sunday, February 24th with a very special performance of locals covering songs by other local artists! The show starts at 5pm and admission is free to the public. Twisted Covers is a monthly show where artists perform two songs by a particular artist chosen in advance and then play one of their original songs. Previous artists have included Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen and Neil Young. The show, which made its debut in late 2007, has been steadily gaining a following among music fans. This month's spotlight of Locals Covering Locals was one that many artists were interested in as a chance to spotlight some of their favorite local tunes. Artists scheduled to perform include Rick Barry, Keith Monacchio, Michael Brett, Tony Tedesco, Ken Shane, George Wirth, Sheli Aarden and Melissa Anthony, Joe Harvard, and Cook Smith. Artists having their songs covered include George Wirth, Rick Barry, Anthony Fiumano, Janey Todd, Michael Brett, Status Green, Paperback Radio, Chris Smith, Divine Sign, Jack Stock, The Commons, Sheli Aarden, and April Smith. If you're a fan of the local music scene, this will be an interesting look at the work created by some of the area's top songwriters, said Gary Wien, Program Director of The Penguin (www.ThePenguinRocks.com), an online radio station that sponsors Twisted Covers. The month's edition promises to be one of the most unique shows the Jersey Shore has ever had! The next Twisted Covers show will be on Sunday, March 30th with a spotlight on Elvis Costello. Artists will perform songs from one of Costello's most underrated albums, King Of America, and then will perform songs from throughout his career. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Its a Lost Cause - Does ANYONE care ??
Wasn't The Circus Drive In featured on the Travel Channel or Food Network last year? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] e: Lets destroy the Circus Drive In while we're at it. And the Roadside Diner. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Twisted Covers this Sunday (spotlighting Neil Young)
In case folks are looking for something to do over the weekend in Asbury Park... We're holding another Twisted Covers show on this Sunday at the Twisted Tree Cafe. This month's focus is on Neil Young and we're trying something new this time around. We've got artists scheduled to perform every song from the classic Harvest album. Show starts at 5pm and admission is free. Come hang out and have dinner with us. Artists scheduled to perform include Pat Roddy, Joe Harvard, Divine Sign, Keith McCarthy, Tony Tedesco, Joshua Van Ness, Michael Brett, Rob Dye, Cook Smith, and Meagan Brothers. Hope you can make it out! I'm also happy to announce the launch of my new online radio station - The Penguin. The station will officially launch on Friday at http://www.thePenguinRocks.comIt's a rock and roll station with over 25,000 songs in the archives. If you like hearing new music or discovering new bands you should check it out as that's our speciality. Of course, we also feature the largest collection of Jersey Shore music around and requests can be done automatically! So if you're dying to hear someone like Southside Johnny just make a request and it'll play one hour later. This radio station is the new version of the website AsburyMusic.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Don't Smoke.....
Sorry to hear that Oak. I'll never forget watching my grandfather pass away from lung cancer either. oakdorf wrote: While I've been watching my father-in-law, age 67, in his final hours as he dies from small cell lung cancer it gives you the chance to ask questions... like this: New Jersey currently allocates $11.0 million a year for tobacco prevention. This is 24.4% of the CDC's minimum recommendation and ranks New Jersey 36th among the states in the funding of tobacco prevention programs. New Jersey's spending on tobacco prevention amounts to 1.0% of the $1.0 billion in tobacco-generated revenue the state collects each year in tobacco settlement payments and tobacco taxes. I'm thinking about tapping into this fund and I'll set-up a non-profit. I'll base it in AP. Do the schools in AP (I'm asking around, not just ap) have any programs do address smoking ? My thoughts are someone should tap into this fund for such things as scholarships etc.. Then you read how NJ really f-cked up their settlement: http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/reports/settlements/state.php?StateID=NJ http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/reports/settlements/state.php?StateID=NJ They sold the settlement to cover - a budget shortfall. I haven't finished reading about NJ's settlement, but I'll get to it. PS - the boardwalk and the beach should be smoke free Go ahead and shoot me. Three new bars where smoking is not permitted inside -- don't need it on the BW. Like going into the casinos. The sign is posted (at least the Bogata) NO SMOKING. Then one table is smokling, one not. one is one not. You could almost choke on it. A joke. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Affordable housing
LOL! You just made my day Oak. oakdorf wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing how difficult it seems to be to have both parties work together. It's like they are so afraid to have the other side get any credit at all that they'd rather forego a good idea than share credit. You're married, aren't you? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Affordable housing
justifiedright wrote: But I share your sentiement. I wish both parties would say enough is enough and get it done together. Question is which brave soul rises to speak on it first. Well, that person would most likely get my vote... and probably the votes of an awful lot of independent voters. The right and the left might not understand independents but generally I think an independent is one that's disgusted, frustrated and embarrassed by the actions, lies, and corruption of the two main political parties. Working together does not mean follow my ideas or be called an obstructionist. It means working together - getting ideas from both sides rather than just forcing one idea. It's amazing how difficult it seems to be to have both parties work together. It's like they are so afraid to have the other side get any credit at all that they'd rather forego a good idea than share credit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Affordable housing
Tommy, Why don't you forget about the Republicans and Democrats and run for Governor under the Common Sense Party? I agree with most of your ideas. To me, they don't represent a partisan approach but a common sense approach. I think the reason things like that don't work is that the partisans need to help out their supporters. Get rid of such nonsense and things could really get changed for the better. justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solve property taxes in NJ. A good price on a house is meaningless of the taxes are $900 month. That is a huge pain in the rear, isn't it? It's like paying rent even though you own. All that Mr. Wall Street Wizard Corzine can come up with is to take more money from us in toll increases. I said before he was elected he has no magic bag of tricks to fix NJ. I don't care what party the next governor is from - the person who promises the following gets my vote: -Turn our 21 Counties into 11; -Turn our 535 Municiplities into 250; -Turn our 600 school districts into 250 (why do we have more school districts than towns anyway?); - Do away with all discretionary spending; -Buying freeze on all open spaces; -Hiring Freeze on all levels of government; -All public employees to kick in more for health insurance; -No more matching of pensions and 401K for public employees (save with your own money like I have to; not fair for them to save using my money) -No pension credit unless your pay for that year is withn 20% of Department of Labor stats for that industry (right now you get 1 year of pension credit if you earned only $1,500 for the year; since pension based on 3 highest years out of 30, they do that for 27 years, then get a board position for $100,000 the last 3 years and score a huge pension - giant, legal, tax-sucking fraud); Just a start. More can be done. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Move muni offices to 601 bangs...
I think that would be an outstanding idea. The building probably has the space needed and would free up a fantastic piece of property that could produce a lot of revenue for the city. oakdorf wrote: Move muni offices there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: My donation to AP - Parking Ticket
I agree, I'm sure you'll find that many of the people most dedicated to Asbury Park do not actually live in the city. dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for AP for those people who live here and those who just benefit financially and occasionally get dinner on Cookman. Fancypantz, lay off the out of AP stuff. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: My donation to AP - Parking Ticket
One of the biggest mistakes Asbury Park makes in my opinion is failing to grasp just how much of a tourist town Asbury Park really is. It means more to people around the world than many in town either realize or want to believe. There are those on this board who live in town, those who live nearby, and those who simply love visiting Asbury. Some of us recognize just how easy it would be for Asbury Park to capitalize on things like the town's rich musical history and use it to make Asbury Park a city unlike any other in the state. Unfortunately, too many people seem to believe that Asbury Park can never be even remotely close to the seaside town of its past. I'm one who thinks it not only could return to that glory but surpass it. And one of the keys to that is listening to those from outside the city who love the city. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's so hard to get the mrs to come to AP. Sorry, I am new here so I do not know all the players. But, you write all these posts and you do not live here And you run asburyboardwalk.com but you do not live here??? You live in Oakhurst? Interesting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Developer digs deep for Asbury Park
Boy you really like to see the bright side in everything! Yes, it's definitely good news that MM is taking over for Kushner, but the news about Metro was a disaster and having Kushner give up on Asbury Park wasn't very good either. I mean, Kushner was a developer with pretty deep pockets right? Paul Vail wrote: This ought to come as a crushing blow to those who hoped they were dancing on Asbury's Grave in the past few weeks. ASBURY PARK — With its apparent deep pockets and willingness to spend money, national retail developer Madison Marquette became the city's waterfront hero last year for the company's improvements to Paramount Theatre and Convention Hall, the boardwalk pavilions and the Ocean Avenue landscape. Now, Gary Mottola, Madison Marquette's president of investments, says his company reached a deal Dec. 31 to buy out Kushner Cos.' unsold Wesley Grove condominium units and two other Kushner beachfront blocks awaiting development. The acquisition, which must be approved by the city, had been expected in recent weeks. Mottola said that finalizing the agreement with Kushner New Year's Eve was, to some extent, tax driven for Kushner. Kushner's Westminster Communities halted work on its Wesley Lake project last year after the parent company decided to pull out of several projects in New Jersey. We think we can accelerate the whole process there, Mottola said. Since Kushner Cos. did a business strategy of exiting New Jersey, they didn't have the same level of excitement about Asbury Park as we have and which we can bring to this project. We're going to completely finish all the units, improve the overall look, Mottola said. The whole area will be cleaned up and beautified. Madison Marquette will take over the block of 91 units, of which 22 have been sold, Mottola said. The company plans to complete and sell out the remaining units and then develop residences and retail on an adjacent lakeside block and the triangle block across the street at Cookman and Asbury avenues. The city was informed of the end-of-the year negotiations between Madison Marquette and Kushner but has not yet given the approval required whenever a new developer comes in or takes over an existing development site. The city lost significant promised tax revenues when Westminster Communities halted work on the project last year. Mottola said his company's concern is not to make up that loss in the deal with Kushner but to push forward to finish the units to move forward on the waterfront. Sam Gershwin, president of Westminster Communities, could not be reached Friday. News of the Kushner deal came a few weeks after Hoboken developer Metro Homes shut down its oceanfront Esperanza condominium site, citing a national mortgage crisis that had caused a setback for the company. Mottola said Friday that his company is not looking at the Metro Homes site at this point, and that he believed Metro Homes is working to find a solution. Mottola said he plans to hold a press conference within 10 days to discuss his company's overall plans. Madison Marquette is in a joint venture with the city's master developer, Asbury Partners, to develop all of the retail and entertainment space along Ocean Avenue. Madison Marquette is on its own buying out Kushner. In the past, Mottola has said the company planned to spend $150 million to $200 million in the city. On Friday, he said the money for the Asbury Park project comes from a $500 million private equity fund and the company's internal equity funds. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] MM vs Kush
I guess there's always a first time :) oakdorf wrote: FOr the city to approve the deal, there has to to be a real plan, real time lines and some financial guarantees tied to those timelines - right Dan? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Anybody else complete sick of presidential campaigning?
cwpvt wrote: I agree, except for the Electoral College, if we just used the popular vote, small states and smaller portions of the electorate would have no say what so ever, they would only campaign in and for NY, CA, TX and FL, nothing else would much matter, including NJ, not to mention places like ND or WV. I disagree. I think that if it was popular vote regions would get much more play than they do now. Maybe the candidates wouldn't spend much time in Jersey (although with our popular, they probably would) but I'd say that the NY/NJ/PA/CT region would be in play much more than it is today. This would probably help us get politicians to pay attention to issues than matter to this region more than we currently do. Plus, you've gotta admit that places like Iowa and New Hampshire have WAY TOO MUCH POWER for elections right now. I realize that the primaries are different from the elections but the entire campaign process seems out of bent to me. What's so wrong in only campaigning in the ten most populated states? After all, those ten states probably have as many people as 20-30 others combined. So why should areas with few people have as much say or more than the populated areas? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: from an article in 1999 - NINE years ago.....
oakdorf wrote: A couple of places to eat and shop (please skip the it's so pricey...) Skip any focus ont he Esperanza and stay on top of that redevelopment zone. There's about another 55 acres to work with. *** But isn't that the whole idea many of us have been lamenting? In Long Branch, they've built tons of condos ALONGSIDE a plan of restaurants and shops. While I'm not a fan of condos, at least they know that condos alone aren't the answer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.
Growing up in New Jersey, I first got involved with the environment through local Republican politicians. Around here, it's kind of hard to get elected unless the ocean and beaches matter to you. I never understood why global warming was a partisan issue either. Apparently, too many Republicans feel the need to do whatever Rush Limbaugh tells them to do and believe whatever he says they should believe. asburycouple wrote: I'm still trying to figure out why global warming and the environment is not a republican issue - or why it is a partisan issue at all. I think the right has decided to forgo logic and science simply because the left got there first rather than any real disbelief... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.
justifiedright wrote: I think you proved their point. Some people believe that the scientific issue is settled, and not only disagree with, but cast personal aspersions on anyone who speaks a contrary view. How is that different from the right wing establishment basically categorizing anyone who believed that global warming was true as an idiot during the last 20 years? Were they interested in a true debate over the scientific merit? or were they just trying to appease a certain group of voters? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.
Actually, I'd say most people would say the Washington Times and Mother Jones are about equal with regards to being reputable. justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing this topic with you is a complete waste of time. You again prove the point of those 400 scientists - Global Warming believers are closed minded - you don't wish to discuss the matter. Worse yet, scientists are being penalized for trying to discuss it. I didn't have to Google around the net to find that article - it was in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a Mother Jones article, wouldn't you say?). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: And lastly...
dfsavgny wrote: I am simply amazed at development down in here at the Shore. I have never, never seen projects move so slow with too small crews. I don't know, for some reason Asbury Park moves MUCH SLOWER than everywhere else. I realize that a lot of these projects are much bigger in scale but just look at surrounding areas. Long Branch had Pier's Village built in much less time. Lake Como knocked down a few buildings a built several within a year on its Main Street area. Things can happen at a decent pace. I guess when there's no time limit placed on things, the pace loosens greatly. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Name that site contest
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Re: [AsburyPark] As if life weren't depressing enough...
Interestingly, *Mitchell * called for tougher testing but said players should not be punished for “past misdeeds.” That's kind of how I feel too, although some of the steroids were most likely illegal in the United States. If that was the case then how do you really treat this situation on a historical level? Especially with players like Barry Bonds who were hall of famers BEFORE steroids and the took their career to a new level after taking them? Oh well... justifiedright wrote: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7560358?MSNHPHCPGT1=10734 http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7560358?MSNHPHCPGT1=10734 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Coaster Article on Esperanza Shutdown
From the article, Keady said: “The year-round community needs to benefit from the fact that Asbury Park needs to be a resort destination,” he said. “We need to go back to what worked in the past for Asbury Park.” He continued, “What worked in the past would work for it in the future.” We have one voice of reason. Maybe this is the time to take advantage of an opportunity. Hinge, wanna work with me on a proposal? Anybody else interested in setting ideas in motion regarding tourism and entertainment to give to them? Keady said part of the problem is that the city has not been marketed to middle class people. I totally agree! I think Asbury wants to get a young, hip crowd but has priced itself to a very small degree of the audience it could have. James Keady wrote: City Beachfront Project Put on Hold By JOANNE L. PAPAIANNI and ELLEN CARROLL After more than a year of planning and promotion the ambitious Esperanza luxury condominium complex on the Asbury Park beachfront is closing down production, at least temporarily. Dean Geibel, owner of Metro Homes and developer of the site, said the project could be on hold a “shorter versus longer” period of time, but would not comment further. Those working at the site on Ocean Avenue were sent home Friday. Geibel said 70 of the luxury units have been sold and any money left on deposit by customers will continue to be held in an escrow account, until a decision is made about the future of the project. The most luxurious of the three residential projects under construction in the city’ redevelopment beachfront area, the Esperanza’s plan calls for amenities such as 24-hour concierge, a fitness center, restaurants, a pool and decks overlooking the ocean in addition to 224 units. The Esperanza is being built on the site where another high-rise unit was planned but later abandoned and imploded to make way for this new project. City Manager Terry Reidy said the City Council will hold a special meeting Fri., Dec. 14 to discuss the “temporary slow down” of the Esperanza, which means hope in Spanish. “I truly believe that Asbury Park does not rise and fall on one project,” Reidy said. “The council will take a look at the agreement and make sure the city does everything to protect its interest in the matter. It is important for the city to stay close and work with them while they re-engineer their project. Winter time is the best time to take that kind of action, to look at a project and see how to make it work.” Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno said the city will survive. “We have so much more going on,” he said. “With Madison Marquette in partners with Asbury Partners and taking over the retail on the boardwalk…they have some exciting things planned for the summer of 2008. Hopefully, the market is going to change sooner rather than later. But this is not an Asbury thing. It’s happening all over the country.” Bruno said the timing of the announcement was not the best coming as it did two weeks before Christmas. “We just hope the new year is better for Metro Homes,” he said. Larry Fishman, chief operating officer of Asbury Partners, the city’s beachfront master developer, said he expected that Metro Homes will either redesign its project or perhaps another developer will step in to complete it. He also noted that Paramount Homes, working on three residential projects at the north end of the city, has just about completed its three buildings. It is 85 percent built out and approximately 50 residents are living in units there either part time or full time, said Carolyn Villani, vice president of sales and marketing for Paramount. “It’s important to let people know we are going strong,” Villani said. “I am sure Metro will work something out. To rebuild a city does not happen overnight. We believe in the dream.” Councilman Ed Johnson said the shut down only highlights the need for a dispute resolution agreement for all development projects in the city. He said he believed all development projects in the city should be subject to performance guarantees and requirements and developers not meeting those requirements should pay penalties. “If things are not being done according to a timetable, what do we do to protect the people of Asbury Park,” Johnson said. Johnson admits that developers were caught up in the economic downturn and collapse of the housing market, but believes that residents should have some protection. Johnson also said that delays in construction of the Esperanza, due to waiting for CAFRA permits and having the state perform inspections instead of the city, may have impacted sales. “It turned so fast, but there were delays that were completely unnecessary,” Johnson said. “The
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Coaster Article on Esperanza Shutdown
Is it possible that Metro is also looking at the sales figures for some of the other projects like the Steinbach's building and blaming the housing market in Asbury Park as much or more than national housing problems. I'm not sure how many people have moved into places like the Steinbach's building but it doesn't seem like there are ever that many lights on at night. About a month ago I was talking to someone who lived there and they said there was like one other apartment rented on their floor. Maybe they realized they might be stuck with a half sold building if they continued. If that was part of their thinking at all then doesn't it beg the question of whether or not the entire plan for the oceanfront was truly sound in being so heavy towards residential? justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we are entering a period in which there is going to be great thought by the City in how to move forward and right the wrongs of the past. Thus, I suggest no more divide and conquer. Then tell it to this guy: If Councilman Loffredo and his supporters are blaming this situation on the state of housing market, they are being disingenuous at best, Keady said. That's not exactly an offer to build a coalition. And throwing in and his supporters is politically unwise since that alienates not just John but alot of other folks. It's hardly a disingenuous belief considering what's happening in the world. I'll give him a pass in light of the new detante. But he has to meet me half way and avoid that sort or rhetoric. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Coaster Article on Esperanza Shutdown
True, but eventually accountability and results have to come into play as well. If someone looked at the various condo projects in Asbury for the redevelopment for the first time and saw a few with limited residents, a few totally empty, and projects stalled... wouldn't that make them question the plan a bit? Maybe that's what is needed as much as a united front. The Council was largely united towards this plan for years and years. Is the result in 2007-2008 what they expected at this point? Do they believe things are headed in the right direction? The Metro situation doesn't mean the sky is falling but I think it poses an excellent point of the need to reflect and evaluate how things have gone and where they appear to be headed. Jack Pitzer wrote: A nation divided against itself cannot stand --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Then tell it to this guy: If Councilman Loffredo and his supporters are blaming this situation on the state of housing market, they are being disingenuous at best, Keady said. That's not exactly an offer to build a coalition. And throwing in and his supporters is politically unwise since that alienates not just John but alot of other folks. It's hardly a disingenuous belief considering what's happening in the world. I'll give him a pass in light of the new detante. But he has to meet me half way and avoid that sort or rhetoric. I am with you 100% on that. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. — Isaiah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah 2:4 Micah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Micah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Micah 4:3 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Coaster Article on Esperanza Shutdown
oakdorf wrote: Gary, I think the steinbach building (which is a rental) has 38 vacancies. Thats out of 63. ** looks like there are 2 floors with about 3-4 apts rented. The person must have been in one of those areas. I just think that if the Steinbach's building is a hard sell, it's gotta be tough anywhere in town. That's a great location for an apartment building with lots of restaurants and nightlife nearby and walking distance to train. I realize the oceanfront is probably a different audience but to me Steinbach's is full if in a decent housing market or if priced for the market. I may be totally wrong, but that's how I see it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: MM is the most important part of this
I think the think that bothers people the most is that - at least from an outsider's perspective - it doesn't appear that the Council holds Asbury Partners accountable for either their actions or the contract originally signed. There has been too many loopholes, including those set up in the original deal which gave them leeway in case of lawsuits, which have really kept things moving at a snail's pace. People seem to believe that doing things in Asbury Park needs to take 5 years for every one year that is needed elsewhere for similar projects. Jack Pitzer wrote: I'm not sure what the answer is. What do you think needs to change about the council for them to be more effective? Am I wrong, and the council is doing a fine job? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
Ok, I'll admit my ignorance when it comes to housing issues and how that all plays into tax dollars (the whole abatement issue confuses me with regards to this as well) but anyway... Can anyone explain to me how Asbury Park would be better off with the several condo projects planned and those in the works as opposed to going an entirely different route of emphasizing a business district and entertainment / restaurant district? I'm sure Werner can help me out with this one but isn't that a lot closer to the historical plans of a beach/tourist town? I agree that a restaurant row suffers without enough businesses to support them during the day. I think you also need far more simple lunch places than Asbury generally has right now. I mean, places like delis and things like that rather than full, upscale sit-down restaurants. If Asbury Park concentrated on building a few new state-of-the-art buildings for office space, could they attract enough businesses to the area to make something work? I think they probably could. I don't see why Asbury Park can't be a solid place in Monmouth County like a Red Bank business address. So what is the lure with all housing? Does it really bring in a ton of tax revenue - more than anything else? Because it sure seems like the places that have been built aren't exactly having people line up around the corner to live there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business distric...
When I had an office in town it seemed like everyone ate at either Frank's, TJ's or went to Clancy's. I agree with you, Asbury is bigger than a one restaurant for lunch. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/12/2007 7:20:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how much more simple can you get then Frank's? We're more than a one luncheonette town. More than a one music venue town. Go to the same ol' places all the time, you get infected with group think. See AOL's top rated recipes http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304 and easy ways to stay in shape http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop000303 for winter. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] 70 vs 50 vs reality?
And with sales jumping like that, why stop now? oakdorf wrote: In an article dated Dec 6 FIFTY was the number: “Since sales began three months ago, The Esperanza has sold more than 50 homes, proving the burgeoning interest in Asbury Park,� said developer Dean Geibel, managing partner of the Hoboken-based Metro Homes. Geez, you'd think the sales team must of been busting but the past week to get that number up to 70, no? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
Or at least take another look on whether or not it is wise (for anyone) to have so many condo projects undergoing at the same time. Maybe they should go from one finished project to another rather than hope there's enough people to want to move to Asbury to fill all of the places planned. Jack Pitzer wrote: This is a clear sign that validates something many of us have said for a long time...The Asbury beachfront was never meant to be condo city. This would be the perfect moment to get Asbury Partners the hell out of here, and begin redeveloping toward the direction it always should've been...entertainment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Builder puts Asbury high-rise project on hold By NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU The Hoboken developer building the 224-unit Esperanza high-rise on the city's beachfront says it is temporarily closing down the construction site and sales office. Absolutely disasterous. I am quite aware of difficulties being experienced by developers even in NYC, which appears on the surface to be the healthiest market. The cost and availability of financing is drastically different than it was a few months ago. Most lenders are out of the market and those that are in are charging much higher rates and requiring much more equity. What troubles me is Dean's talk of redesigning the project. Hmmm. What does that mean? Either your plan was sound or it was not. Are they looking simply to spend less money or did they misjudge the market, regardless of the credit crisis? What troubles me is that some of us said that this might become another C-8. I hope not. But, how long will the city allow it to be mothballed? How long will we have to sit with another unfinished project? The CAFRA permit was received in 2004. The residential market and interest rates did not start to hiccup until the second half of 2006. Deals to subdevelopers should have been in the works while the CAFRA was pending. I know, I am going back on my recent pledge to move forward and not cry over spilled milk. Not really. But this is what Partners' and its greed has wrought and what we allowed them to do. I am sure the construction lenders simply reneged on their committments. Metro is not the only one in this position. But the financing can be had. More equity must be put in. They paid toomuch for the land. If summer rolls around and that site is idle, it will be validation of all the naysayers who said not to believe that this city could come back. If they are not going to build, make it a park. The worse thing to have is another C-8 hanging around. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Pop Warner Update
Awesome! Way to go! dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FINAL SCORE 20-0 LOOKS LIKE A PARADE IS IN ORDER FOR ALL ASBURY PARK BLUE BISHOP TEAMS Great news. Good work Bishops. They dug down deep. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: City Council Meetings Tonight
Excellent Werner! One of your best! I always talk of Asbury Park with regards to another sci-fi show -- trust no one wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, James Keady james.keady@ wrote: ASBURY PARK CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION MEETING AGENDA DECEMBER 5, 2007 - 6PM OPEN TO THE PUBLIC III. Special Event Applications Madison Marquette Holiday Fireworks 3rd and 5th Between Beaches 11/30 How is a Special Event application heard after the fact? = 'There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call The Asbury Park Zone.' Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New Principal featured at APP's NEW site
Most newspapers are no longer doing subscriptions. The NYTimes stopped their special subscription months ago and even the Wall Street Journal is debating about going all free. The future of online news is free based on advertising. The newspaper companies have known that for years but kept trying to deny that it was happening. The Asbury Park Press would be nuts to go subscription. I still don't understand why every daily and weekly paper still aren't online right now... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/28/2007 7:25:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: APP selected me a few weeks ago to preview the new site layoutI hope everyone has as positive an experience as I have had. It looks good. Give 'em a few days to iron out any kinks. One of my complaints about the old site was the high failure rate in searching their archives. Even if you searched Google News first, then got hits for APP.com, the links too often showed up as errors Wondering if they plan to go the subscription route any time soon. Mario *One ought, each day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, see a fine picture and, if possible, speak a few reasonable words. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe * Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 and top money wasters http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000302 of 2007. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] re: sales of properties
On Jan 18, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Hinge wrote: So what would you speculate that this means for the future of The Baronet etc? More importantly, what does this mean for the future of entertainment in Asbury Park? To everyone who has faith in Asbury Park remember that Convention Hall and Paramount Theatre are among the least used facilities in New Jersey. That doesn't exactly inspire hope to me. Welcome to the nightmare that Tri-City always said they wanted to prevent (but secretly desires)... the old Asbury Park will soon be gone and replaced with suburbia. That is, if everything actually winds up being built. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] save the wonder bar petition
Tommy, AsburyMusic.com and Upstage are already ahead of ya! Hope we can count on your support. We've got an online petition up at: http://www.asburymusic.com/petition The Wonder Bar has been a huge supporter of Upstage Magazine from our first issue. The Wonder Bar and Upstage Magazine got going at around the same time. When we ran into financial troubles a few months after starting out, the Wonder Bar lent us the club for a very special all-day benefit show. In addition to helping us out, the Wonder Bar has been a host of benefits for just about every non-profit group in the area from the Boys Girls Club to the Monmouth County SPCA. There have been some very special nights at the Wonder Bar - nights like the benefit for Sgt. Maurice Craft. So many people owe Lance and Debbie and the Pats for their support through the years. I'm hoping that everyone who benefited from the club signs the petition along with every artist who got the chance to play there. We can argue all we want about whether or not it's right to save a club, but this isn't just a club. The Wonder Bar is one of the best things to be redeveloped in Asbury Park during the last decade. They turned an ugly box of a building into a beautiful, prosperous restaurant/club. They've got regular crowds eating and drinking there every night all year long - that's not something easy to say in Asbury Park. Even with the construction of the past 6-8 months, people found a way to make it to the Wonder Bar. Why? Because they ran it the way the Stone Pony was run for many, many years. It was a family. The people who worked there and the patrons who visited there were all family. And the Wonder Bar is not just part of Asbury Park's family, but it truly has become the community center in times of need. You cannot replace all of the good the Wonder Bar has done for the town. Asbury Park deserves a place like this next to Convention Hall much more than a bunch of condos. If the Wonder Bar gets demolished and replaced with housing than we're pushing the knife further into the chest of Convention Hall and the Paramount. For those venues to be successful, restaurants are needed in that area. And since the Wonder Bar is a proven success, why not let it stay where it is? So, please sign this petition and hopefully we all can save the Wonder Bar! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ch-ch-ch-ch-changes
I wish you best of luck with the Baronet and Fastlane. Some of the best years of my life were spent at the Fastlane. One thing I don't understand about Asbury Park is why so few of the venues both to use the free event listing at AsburyMusic.com and UpstageMagazine.com I'd say conservatively, about 60% of the Asbury Park music community visits AsburyMusic.com at least once a month and UpstageMagazine.com had over 125,000 visitors last month and will have more this month. So, people will see those event listings. For anyone interested in getting some FREE promotion for their events (any event can be added to the calendar) just go to: http://www.upstagemagazine.com/events ** listings are free and added to our online calendar immediately. I have tried reaching out to all of the venues in Asbury Park but few ever take the time to enter their shows. It's a shame when thousands of people will see the listings each and every day and hundreds of arts organizations from around the state feel it's important enough to make sure their listings are included. I don't understand why Asbury Park doesn't want the free promotion, but it is available and I think people should use it. You mentioned the lack of crowds at the Baronet after the first few weeks. Well, I remember that you posted information about the films in the beginning on the Upstage Message Board but then stopped. Many people I know thought the theatre simply stopped showing movies when they didn't see those weekly posts. I'm not blaming you as I know how tough it is to work with limited staffs. All I'm saying is that there are people willing to help that aren't being utilized. Upstage and AsburyMusic.com are just some examples. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Some Know Beyond Mere Statistics
On Dec 28, 2006, at 3:08 PM, justifiedright wrote: I guess it depends on what people think. If they think there is 200 Bloods, then I respectfully disagree - the gang problem is actually far less than what they think. Tommy, Why do you believe so strongly that the number is less than 200?
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Some Know Beyond Mere Statistics
On Dec 28, 2006, at 4:45 PM, oakdorf wrote: And whomever said the partners should be responsible, I think they should be concerned, but not responsible. I'm not saying the Partners should be responsible for the gangs but I do believe that regardless of how many gang members are actually in town, crime appears to be heating up and something needs to be done. The city doesn't have the funds to do much (hire more cops, gang programs, training, etc.) so a major backer is needed. That backer could come from a major business or from someone like Asbury Partners. I believe they should be overtly concerned and should start playing a BIG role in finding a solution because they stand to gain more from the redevelopment than anyone. And crime will likely do more to hurt the redevelopment than anything else.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Some Know Beyond Mere Statistics
On Dec 28, 2006, at 5:11 PM, justifiedright wrote: Outsourcing police protection to private enterprise? Ronald Reagan would be proud of you Gary. You are far more a Conservative Rupublican than I am! :-) That's what I've been trying to tell you...
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Some Know Beyond Mere Statistics
All I know is that I've seen people in several parts of town that looked like mini gatherings of gang members. I could see the number being small and I could see the number being 200 or even higher. To me, this is just a major problem that seems to be getting worse every week. Long Branch seems to be far more worried than Asbury about the problem, but I think both need to work together on this one. On Dec 28, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Hinge wrote: Honestly, I don't understand why people still want to debate this? To me, it's just an attempt to find some way to attack Jim Keady. Why can't people, using just the events of recent times, the reports appearing in the news about gangs in Long Branch, Lakewood and Asbury, and just plain common sense realize that we have a problem? Take a look around? Here's one example...I think the women involved with prostitution are pretty obvious. If you pay attention, you'll notice that these women are usually accompanied by a guy who's either walking with her, or just behind. What is he doing? He's either a pimp, or a protector. I'm just speculating about this, but I think that these pimp/protectors are gang members. I can't imagine them not being one. Gangs are like unions. I doubt there are very many freelance pimps in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 28, 2006, at 3:08 PM, justifiedright wrote: I guess it depends on what people think. If they think there is 200 Bloods, then I respectfully disagree - the gang problem is actually far less than what they think. Tommy, Why do you believe so strongly that the number is less than 200? Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Lump in my throat
Tommy, Unfortunately it's like I told you several weeks ago, even people who have been in Asbury for over 30 years and never felt scared there are now feeling scared. This is issue #1 for the city and issue #1 for the redevelopment. For a few years, people didn't want to believe that the crime and gangs were on the upswing. Newspapers were CRITICIZED when they mentioned crime - people said it was hurting the redevelopment. The only problem is that ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Sorry this happened to you. The other day I got worried when I was filling one of our newspaper boxes right next to a homeless guy sleeping on the sidewalk. I never got scared with stuff like that before but all of a sudden I'm wondering if he's maybe not asleep but waiting to jump someone or something. Asbury Partners needs to begin tackling this issue and offering suggestions IMMEDIATELY -- their financial future depends on it. -Gary Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Lump in my throat
On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:47 PM, justifiedright wrote: I was simply reporting that I felt uneasy. Apparantly I'm starting to fall for the hype. I'm mad at myself for letting that happen. If it can happen to me, our more suburbanite neighbors will never come here. But that's just it... this is a form of terrorism. You don't need the actual terrorist act to occur before the terrorism works. You can feel mad at yourself and I feel the same way when I let the homeless guy scare me but the fact remains that some people are really getting mugged and killed in town. This is not just a figment of our imaginations and not a creation of the media. This is a VERY REAL PROBLEM and it's getting worse. I first noticed how bad things were getting over the summer when my friend and I left a pickup soccer game and practically walked into a drug deal full of people with nice, shiny guns. This was occuring RIGHT NEXT to the school in pretty good daylight. We both kind of got in our cars as fast as we could because the guys we saw looked like they were mighty used to their guns and definitely flashed them at us to get their point across. I think you pointed out something very scary, which is that people might start (if they haven't already) USING the recent crime wave to their advantage by simply trying to take advantage of thoughts that are in our heads. I'll say it again. The police are doing a good job but this might be too big of a job for them. Personally, I really wish I saw police on foot patrol up and down Cookman and Main Street. I see cop cars, but I never see foot patrol. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] untilllie the end
On Dec 19, 2006, at 8:14 AM, Traderdube wrote: Hinge my boy, I just knew you were going to rant over Danny boys anti-Soap rant. I read the article and I am not ashamed to say that for all intents and purposes, I agree with Dan. A plaque on the boardwalk is almost as big a pile of krap as the save tillie thing. Yeah, I guess the idea of music tourism is pretty dumb for a place like Asbury Park where people have been coming from around the world to visit since the late 70s. I'm a bit surprised by your post, I know you were around for the history when it was being made. When you break it down the way you do you make it look like Asbury Park was ridiculous to put up a monument saluting a bunch of musicians and people who helped form the Asbury Park music scene and sound that millions of people love around the world. Why? Sure Bruce Springsteen tops the list. Guess what? Very few towns the size of Asbury Park will ever have one artist like Mr. Springsteen to feel proud of. Asbury Park not only has Bruce but has Jon Bon Jovi, Southside Johnny, David Sancious, Steven Van Zandt, and Bill Chinnock among its legacy. Southside Johnny's Hearts of Stone was voted by Rolling Stone as one of the all-time top 100 albums once; David Sancious has recorded and toured with many of the top artists in the world including Bruce, Eric Clapton, Peter Gabriel and Sting; Steven Van Zandt has not only re-emerged in recent years as an actor on the Sopranos but his radio show is heard nationwide; and Bill Chinnock has won Emmy Awards for his songwriting and was dubbed him the real essence of American music by John Hammond, Sr. What's wrong with saluting some of the people who were playing in the clubs before and during these guys ride towards fame? Should history only be written based on record sales? Some of these artists have been on top selling records and toured with acts everyone has heard of, some have produced Grammy nominated records, and some have written and performed songs in major Hollywood films. Amazingly, most of the artists have continued to perform to today. I saw plenty of people at that S.O.A.P. show who were very excited to see the artists they grew up with that they hadn't seen live in decades. There were also people there like me who wanted to see the people who started everything here. As many musicians pointed out, there were few places around the country where bars were using LIVE bands instead of jukeboxes. Yes, the bands largely played covers (until Bruce broke the mold in the late 60s) but SO DID EVERYONE ELSE! Check out the songs on the early albums by The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Searchers, etc. - everybody was covering songs in the early 60s. Asbury Park was DIFFERENT because it became known for LIVE MUSIC. Some people disagree with me, but I am fairly confident that the S.O.A.P. show would have sold out WITHOUT any Bruce Springsteen rumors. The show was selling very well BEFORE the rumors started. After the rumors hit, the show sold out within a few days. This was about 1 1/2 months before the show. People were still finding out about the show. I guarantee that fans and family members of the artists would have been interested in the show had they got a chance to hear about it. Articles about the show were among some of the most popular read and emailed on the Upstage Magazine website. In fact, several family members of one of the artists on the monument were quoted in the press as just learning about the monument dedication and show a few days prior. They found out about it from the Upstage site as did many people around the country. Given the chance to buy tickets, I'm sure they would have. Let's face it, Dan J. has always hated not only the Stone Pony but music in general. You do not. I'm surprised that anything that might bring a few more people to the Asbury Park boardwalk is such a bad thing. It takes up very little space. It was paid for by private money. Please explain to me why it's such a bad thing. -- Gary Wien
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: untilllie the end
On Dec 19, 2006, at 12:08 PM, arhythmick wrote: One of you music believers will take a chance and organize a small concert...you will be handsomely rewarded financially for your risk (and your correct gut feel)...and that will be the birth of the Asbury Park Summer Concert Series! I hope so because things are in the planning stages... Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] The worst writer in the history of Asbury Park
Gee, rolemover is one of the 100,000 people to regular visit my website - now I'm impressed! And I thought you only stuck you your little town publication. It's nice to know you must have failed reading comprehension in high school (if you made it that far) Following Steel Mill was Lance Larson backed by the guys from Days Awake. Lance made his official debut with this band the night before at the Wonder Bar and blew the crowd away. Kicking off with the Warren Zevon classic Lawyers, Guns Money Lance showed why he was one of the most entertaining front men in Shorehistory. The highlight of the set was Lance's own Angel With Broken Wings which sounded beautiful behind the talented guys from Days Awake who held their own during a night full of world-class musicians. Another Lance original Song For The Soldiers followed before the group finished with the classics Magic Carpet Ride by Steppenwolf and the Animals' We Gotta Get Out Of This Place. Before his last song, Lance thanked everyone for coming to Asbury Park and mentioned the redevelopment. He urged people to remember to keep music and art in Asbury Park because without it it's not Asbury Park. The band ran out of time before getting into With A Little Help From My Friends which was going to be their closing number, but it was a great set nevertheless. Lance truly seems to be having the time of his life with these guys (and gal) backing him. Rumors are swirling about an upcoming big news announcement that could involve both artists working together in the future! Kinda sounds like nothing but good things about the band in those paragraphs doesn't it? Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
[AsburyPark] rolemover
Thanks to the timing of his post... I am now 100% sure I know of the identity of rolemover. Can I get $1000 for outting him? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The worst writer in the history of Asbury Park
On Dec 11, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Hinge wrote: Funny that the only thing you mentioned that he took as bad was the comment about roadies, which I agree with. I think rolemover just likes to start crap with people.▪ I know many of the people on this list have seen plenty of benefits at the Stone Pony - I believe I've been to about 100 or more -- I can't remember ever seeing a band bring roadies for a 3-4 song set during a benefit. That's why it was written. To me, it looked like the band was trying to show up the other acts. Considering that the show was about the artists whose names are on the monument and not Days Awake, I believe that was in bad taste. But thanks rolemover for confirming who I thought you were. You probably should have waited a few more minutes before posting your message... Everything makes a lot more sense now regarding your posts and take on the redevelopment. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Councilman Jim Keady Gets It Right
Jim highlights the criminality and the need for more cops to fight it. In fact he seeks 20 more cops. A strong message to the thugs that we won't allow them to continue in this City. I can just hear people about to say don't tell them what to do with their money but here goes... I think Asbury Partners should announce that they are making a $2 million donation to the City of Asbury Park to hire 20 new police officers (and anything else related that the donation could pay for). Asbury Partners stands to profit the most from a redeveloped, SAFE Asbury Park. If Asbury continues to have crime in the national news, how likely is it that people are going to want all of those condos? Won't the chance that a project or two either stalls or falls apart become more likely if the initial projects show some hesitation once the condos are on the market? The City of Asbury Park obviously doesn't have the money to hire that many new cops. They need either a major corporation (maybe NJNG) or someone with a vested interest in the city's future to step to the plate. I think Asbury Partners could not only do the right thing but do something that'll make even their staunchest critics praise them if they're the ones to step to the plate. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette
If you demand facts to be presented, I assume that you do not read the weekly paper in Asbury. I've never seen a publication so flippant about being factual. On Dec 5, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Allan Peterson wrote: Oh I thought Maureen wrote the top part and Werner supplied the note. So Maureen just published the information. I would think that she would still have a responsibility to be sure all facts were included / correct. Otherwise it draws up questions for anything else on that site. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2006 9:51:01 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Maureen didn't write it. It was written by Werner originally --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Fred asburydogma@ ... wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, restore881FM@ wrote: What report on Werner? I didn't write one. Asbury Radio - The Radio Voice of Asbury Park Intimidation - Asbury Park Style This evening over a half a dozen police officers raided the home of City Historian Werner Baumgartner searching for an alleged body in the basement. High ranking members of the department stated that an anonymous 911 call triggered the investigation. Officers were seen by neighbors traversing the roof, on the fire- escape and at all doors of the home. A search of a backyard shed and under tarps in the yard was also witnessed. Entry through several windows was attempted which stopped short of actually breaking in. Mr Baumgartner opened a door after several telephone calls and was subjected to a complete search of his home. At least one officer was wielding a crow-bar. No bodies or evidence of a crime were found and the Deputy Chief gave assurances that an investigation will be made into the source of the 911 call. Possible charges being, making a false police report. Maureen Nevin Asbury Radio -The Radio Voice of Asbury Park 88.1FM - 6 Years on the Air!! Asbury's Own Live Talk Showmailto:AsburyRa dio@ 601 Bangs Avenue Listen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM or Listen Live or Later on the Web http://www.asburyra dio.com/ Call the show 732-775-0821 Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 Speak up - It's America!! Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Eminent Domain
On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Kevin Brown wrote: I am against the forced taking of any privately owned property. That is inhabitable, paid up in taxes and not in such disrepair as to be considered unsafe. That's the way I feel too. As long as the building or property is currently being used I do not think emminent domain should be allowed to take it. If there are problems with the property such as repairs badly needed, I think the town should give the property owner a set amount of time to fix the problems or risk losing their property. There are so many buildings in places like Asbury Park which have been abandoned for decades. Those are the places that emminent domain should take if the owner refuses to do anything with the property within a set period of time. It's abandoned buildings that really bring down the look of the area. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
On Nov 13, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Debbie DeLisa wrote: x-tad-bigger You can pick up The Upstage at The Wonder Bar/x-tad-bigger For the record, you can pick up Upstage in about 30 places in Asbury Park/Ocean Grove area; over 100 places in Monmouth County; and over 250 places throughout Central New Jersey. In a few months, Upstage will be available from Cape May to Bergen County with over 1000 locations. In the local area, your best bets are with our outdoor streetcorner boxes located at: 1) Wonder Bar 2) Frank's Deli 3) Cookman Ave - Be Green 4) The Saint 5) Ocean Grove - Nagles You can also download each issue of Upstage at http://www.upstagemagazine.com/printedition Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment News
x-tad-bigger > > an OUT OF TOWNER!!! please dont say WE when you talk about asbury anymore, /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger > > it is an insult to the LONGTIME tax payers here...sam 8th ave resident/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger > > /x-tad-bigger It is also the attitude of long-time Asbury residents like you that have kept the town in the dark for so long. Asbury has never wanted help from outside its city limits, has shunned help from the county and the state and ignores people who live along its borders. That would all be fine if the town was successful but it's been mired in redevelopment for my entire life. Maybe listening to a variety of opinions would have benefited the town but since I have heard from many people with your point of view I guess Asbury residents prefer having complete control of a town in disarray. All I can say is that if the Trenton redevelopment does take place and finishes before Asbury Park's it will definitely prove something about the people you voted for. Trenton is in worse shape than Asbury. It's a city with a major stigma that doesn't have the advantages of a beach and boardwalk region. Unfortunately, people like you just don't seem to understand the value of the beach and boardwalk. You may hate my ideas but they would work, they would bring visitors to the town who would spend money and save the businesses on Cookman and Main St, and they would bring jobs. What does your plan do? Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment News
BTW Rolemover, if you're so against people who do not live in Asbury making decisions or suggestions for the town how do you feel about the people in charge of the redevelopment? They were not Asbury long-timers. They're in it for the money. I would have thought you would have been outraged that the town sold its soul to outsiders. I guess you're not that consistent in your views huh? Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] SOAP Concert
On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Fred wrote: x-tad-biggerSurprised Gary didn't Post this./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger THE CREATORS OF S.O.A.P. RETURN TO ASBURY/x-tad-bigger Why would I post an article I wrote? The article is running in the current issue of Upstage Magazine, which is available in about 100-150 locations in Monmouth County and an additional 150 in Mercer, Middlesex, Ocean and Union Counties. BTW, the concert sold out several weeks ago. The dedication for the monument is expected to get a huge crowd as well. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
x-tad-bigger Unbelievable. The balls on this guy. I wrote him myself. I may be crude /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger and rude but I'm never afraid to put my face against my words. Al must /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger have bought those rose-colored glasses in the ensuing years. What a /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger hypocrite!/x-tad-bigger The sad thing is that many of the town officials as well as people in the town (including on this board) think it's better for the town for nobody on the outside world to know about the crime. It's almost like they spend more time concealing the statistics than tackling the problems. It's kind of like the war in Iraq. Almost everyone agrees that it's going wrong but if you honestly try to talk about it and propose changes they call you unpatriotic and against the troops. In Asbury Park, they try to bury you if you discuss crime because they think you're against the cops. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
On Nov 3, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Hinge wrote: x-tad-biggerIt's also sad that our excellent police force doesn't get the/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger recognition they deserve. I think they do a great job. I've seen them/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger in action quite a few times, and they're professional, courteous and/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger easy to talk to. /x-tad-bigger I agree. They helped me out one time when my car broke down in town and they're still one of the few beach towns that haven't harassed me for no apparent reason. Most of the local areas try so hard to get ticket money during the summer it isn't even funny. However, there is a difference between criticizing the police and talking about the crime problem and that's where I think people are wrong to ignore the situation. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
x-tad-bigger I think it's more that you might bring bad press to the city. The cops /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger are doing a great job, but WE need to do more. It's like not admitting /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger you have cancer and blaming the doctor when he tells you. That's a real /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger good strategy./x-tad-bigger I understand that having something like summits to talk about and deal with the crime situation would be bad press but it would also show the world that you're trying to change things. There's good and bad in this situation. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Guess Al Giobbie (APUEZ) DIdn't Always Hide His Head in the Sand
On Nov 3, 2006, at 4:26 PM, Fred wrote: x-tad-bigger 3000 more arrest this over last year they are fighting crime but /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger violent crimes are hard to predict. /x-tad-bigger See you just proved my point. I was not criticizing the police nor did I say they weren't doing their job. There are some problems that need to be discussed BECAUSE they are so big. Yet you just pointed out that they were doing their job and insinuated I suggested they weren't. That's the problem. You can talk about the problem without saying its the fault of the police but people just don't listen to what you're saying when you try. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
[AsburyPark] Asbury Partners' Vision For Asbury
I'm not sure if this has been brought up before and I apologize if it has but I was checking out the website for Asbury Partners today and noticed that in their section for Vision For Asbury Park and the section entitled Scope of the Redevelopment There are the original drawings for the redevelopment under the title Renderings of Residential Retail Development. Now the reason I bring this up is because of the four drawings the pictures of Lake Village, Ocean Avenue, and North Shore all appear as they always have... But the rendering for Entertainment has the words New Image To Come when you click on the picture. Has anyone heard anything about this? Are there new plans to be unveiled or have they officially scrapped the original plans? Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Too Bad AP Waterfront Doesn't Have a Real Developer
Gee... year round tourism. What a concept! On Oct 31, 2006, at 11:09 AM, dfsavgny wrote: x-tad-biggerThey'll do more in less time. They will finish in the same space of /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger time that Asbury Partners has already wasted and started nothing. /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger From the NY Post./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger NEW-WAVE CONEY /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger By RICH CALDER /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger October 31, 2006 -- Here's a sneak peek at Coney Island's glamorous /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger future. /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger Architectural renderings obtained by The Post show a grand vision of /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger the famed summer amusement area's rundown streets being transformed /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger into a glitzy year-round playground and public attraction. /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger In one image, Stillwell Avenue becomes a fantasy-filled boulevard /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger marked by larger-than-life street furniture, such as a mermaid /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger swimming in a martini glass and a gigantic tattooed elephant. /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger The landmark Cyclone roller coaster can still be seen from down /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger Bowery Street - which itself is reinvented as a permanent festival /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger and sideshow area. /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger Thor Equities has purchased 10 acres of boardwalk land in the hope /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger of building a $1.5 billion entertainment destination. /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger The project is awaiting city approval, but the company hopes to /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger break ground in 18 months and wrap up in about five years./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger__._,_.___/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger Messages in this topic /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger(/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger1/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger) /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerReply /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger(via web post) /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger| /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerStart a new topic/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar ma_grp_160.gif> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger1/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNew Members/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger4/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNew Files/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger Visit Your Group/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger SPONSORED LINKS ▪ x-tad-biggerAsbury park nj real estate/x-tad-bigger ▪ x-tad-biggerUnited state flag/x-tad-bigger ▪ x-tad-biggerAsbury park nj/x-tad-bigger ▪ x-tad-biggerAsbury park real estate/x-tad-bigger ▪ x-tad-biggerUnited state travel/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerYahoo! News/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerGet it all here/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerBreaking news to/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerentertainment news/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerYahoo! TV/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWant the scoop?/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerCheck out today's/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggernews and gossip./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerBusiness News/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHot Headlines/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerGet localized news/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerfor your area./x-tad-bigger x-tad-smaller./x-tad-smallerserv.gif> __,_._,___ Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] insulting the troops
That's funny, I think that our President lies to the troops every day when he tells them they're fighting to protect America instead of the truth - brokering a civil war in a country we shouldn't be fighting in. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
