[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Didn't know you were/are, an attorney. I think the 2 of you combined, are a formidable force! You both, seem to know the ins and outs, of the Abbott decision and how one person, CAN make a difference. Are you willing to take this on? You both, seem to want the BEST, for our kids! I'm eternally grateful, that this town can boast of such professionalism and expertise, in matters, such as this. Can you go after the State, for allowing their actions and where does the ACLU, fit, into all of this? I pray, that the current slate on the board STAYS, to finish the job, they've started and that the thieves in the administration GET, what's coming to them! It'll be a sin, if this town isn't vindicated for all of the mess, wrought by greedy administrators. They should get their comeuppance! Will there be forums, like there were, from the last big election? If so, I can't wait! SB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Since Asbury Park's annual budget is around $80 million and I've seen them pay their lawyer as much as $750,000 in 15 months, then $500,000 in the next 12 montsh, they can afford it. I would switch from being their comp atty to BOE counsel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
I can't help, but agree. Your posts, say it all, in a nutshell! thanks, Tommy, for laying it out, as only you, can! Appreciate it! SB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: The RBR deal for all the districts, especially Deal, Interlaken and Allenhurst is a copout for those towns. It's a loophole that I have questioned in Interlaken for several years. When I questioned it for the sake of making these parents either send their kids to AP or send them to a school they have to pay for, I was told we can't do that. I don't know all the legal aspects of this situation. You would know better than me. All I can tell you is that somehow, they are allowed to do this. The lawyer, at the time, was Sandy Brown, for the Interlaken BOE. What I resent is the fact that as a taxpayer, I have to subsidize a music Program for students attending RBR, when we all know that none of these students will ever be majoring in music. It's a bunch of b.s. We agree! But don't look at the situation like it is a mystery. I've told you how it happened (Commissioner's ruling) and why it happened (to get the white kids in the Asbury district away from the black kids in Asbury). If anyone is unwilling to say that is the reason it was done, then you can certainly sign on to the idea that it created de facto segregation (segregation in fact as opposed to intent - which is just as illegal). Racial segregation no matter how you cut it. The question is, what to do about it? I have that answer too: Federal Civil Rights lawsuit. Calling Frank D! Calling Robert D! Calling Garrett G! Please do it. You want to help the kids? You want to go down in history as the 3 best Board members ever? You want to be civil rights heroes? File that suit. Please. I agree to the above statement, too, but how? It takes money and lots of it. Like I said, I am not privy, to what the school boards rights, are. Don't have a clue, as to how they can pull this, off. Tommy, explain, how. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i will give you credit for bringing this to this point, as far as taking credit for first bringing it to the table, i remember bds. talking about this in the 80s, be it moor vs harrington or migliore and dondalson debating mcriff on its needs, but it never got this far so thank you. it is the only answer and i will vote for the 5 candidates who support this idea, as i posted several weeks ago, i do not believe the state will do this, unless the bd. takes the first step and tells them as of june 30 2007 here is what we are going to do, that gives the state 4 months to figure out the particulars. anything short of that and it will not happen, it is entirely up to the bd. now. what will they do? admin. wont be happy, oh dear, the union wont be happy , of my, but it is the only choice, it is the right thing to do for the children, isnt that what it is all about! As many of you know, I've been talking (blue in the face) for a number of years now about the necessity of desegregating Asbury Park High School by closing it. Last week I posted here and asked that all of you go to Randy Bergmann's Blog (he is Editorial Editor fo the Asbury Park Press). He blogged about he school report cards, and I ended up in a posting argument with others about closing APHS as a way to desegregate it. There ended up being 30 posts, mostly between me and a couple of others. One was an intelligent fellow. One was an extreme bigot that said just build more jails for Asbury's youth. Scumbag. I digress. Today in the Asbury Park Press, they printed an editorial, with the postion that Asbury should close as a way of desegregating the district. They took my argument almost to the letter, including where to send the kids. The only thing they forgot to do was credit me, but who cares. The good idea is finally catching on! See below: Dismantle the district Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/25/07 There seems to be no end to the depressing stories coming out of the Asbury Park School District. In the past two weeks alone, there have been allegations of padded enrollment figures and bid rigging, a vote of no confidence in the high school administration by the teachers and a document raid on the Board of Education offices by investigators sent by the U.S. Attorney. Add to that the stubbornly low test scores despite the highest per- pupil costs of any K-12 district in New Jersey and a student-to- staff ratio of more than 5 to 1 at the high school. The violence in and around the schools. The on-again, off-again sniping on the school board. The disastrous lack of leadership at the middle school and the chaos in the halls and classrooms there and in the high school. The superintendent the board tried to fire, was forced by the state to hire back, then tried to oust again, suspending him instead with pay at the insistence of the Department of Education. There have been some glimmers of hope over the past several years, but they have proved fleeting. For the most part, the school system has been a disaster. It is broken. Stronger leadership might help. But finding it and keeping it has been a persistent challenge. A state takeover isn't the answer either, as experience in other districts has shown. Given the hurdles the district faces, dismantling it and starting over offers the best chance of providing the city's students with a quality education. It's time for a new approach to educating children in Asbury Park one that involves creating a desegregated regional district that includes Asbury Park, Monmouth Regional, Ocean Township and Manasquan. Asbury Park High School should be turned into a county magnet school for the arts. The middle school should be converted into a trade school under the jurisdiction of the Monmouth County Vocational School District. At least two of the elementary schools should be left open, but operated by the regional district and desegregated. And Asbury Park students should be sent in proportionate numbers to other schools in the newly created regional district along with increased per-pupil aid. At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. That will likely require expansion of the county's alternative high school, or the creation of a branch of the high school at a central location in the newly formed regional district. The state must ensure the regional district creates an environment in every school that is conducive to learning. State officials can't allow the Asbury Park schools to continue to fail the children they are responsible for educating. They can't continue to waste taxpayers' money by pumping
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Apoojo, I'm sure you're right about others having the idea long before me. The school has been pretty bad for an awfully long time. You also have a great idea (really great) about making this an issue for the upcoming school board election. We should start pressuring candidates now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: i will give you credit for bringing this to this point, as far as taking credit for first bringing it to the table, i remember bds. talking about this in the 80s, be it moor vs harrington or migliore and dondalson debating mcriff on its needs, but it never got this far so thank you. it is the only answer and i will vote for the 5 candidates who support this idea, as i posted several weeks ago, i do not believe the state will do this, unless the bd. takes the first step and tells them as of june 30 2007 here is what we are going to do, that gives the state 4 months to figure out the particulars. anything short of that and it will not happen, it is entirely up to the bd. now. what will they do? admin. wont be happy, oh dear, the union wont be happy , of my, but it is the only choice, it is the right thing to do for the children, isnt that what it is all about! As many of you know, I've been talking (blue in the face) for a number of years now about the necessity of desegregating Asbury Park High School by closing it. Last week I posted here and asked that all of you go to Randy Bergmann's Blog (he is Editorial Editor fo the Asbury Park Press). He blogged about he school report cards, and I ended up in a posting argument with others about closing APHS as a way to desegregate it. There ended up being 30 posts, mostly between me and a couple of others. One was an intelligent fellow. One was an extreme bigot that said just build more jails for Asbury's youth. Scumbag. I digress. Today in the Asbury Park Press, they printed an editorial, with the postion that Asbury should close as a way of desegregating the district. They took my argument almost to the letter, including where to send the kids. The only thing they forgot to do was credit me, but who cares. The good idea is finally catching on! See below: Dismantle the district Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/25/07 There seems to be no end to the depressing stories coming out of the Asbury Park School District. In the past two weeks alone, there have been allegations of padded enrollment figures and bid rigging, a vote of no confidence in the high school administration by the teachers and a document raid on the Board of Education offices by investigators sent by the U.S. Attorney. Add to that the stubbornly low test scores despite the highest per- pupil costs of any K-12 district in New Jersey and a student-to- staff ratio of more than 5 to 1 at the high school. The violence in and around the schools. The on-again, off-again sniping on the school board. The disastrous lack of leadership at the middle school and the chaos in the halls and classrooms there and in the high school. The superintendent the board tried to fire, was forced by the state to hire back, then tried to oust again, suspending him instead with pay at the insistence of the Department of Education. There have been some glimmers of hope over the past several years, but they have proved fleeting. For the most part, the school system has been a disaster. It is broken. Stronger leadership might help. But finding it and keeping it has been a persistent challenge. A state takeover isn't the answer either, as experience in other districts has shown. Given the hurdles the district faces, dismantling it and starting over offers the best chance of providing the city's students with a quality education. It's time for a new approach to educating children in Asbury Park one that involves creating a desegregated regional district that includes Asbury Park, Monmouth Regional, Ocean Township and Manasquan. Asbury Park High School should be turned into a county magnet school for the arts. The middle school should be converted into a trade school under the jurisdiction of the Monmouth County Vocational School District. At least two of the elementary schools should be left open, but operated by the regional district and desegregated. And Asbury Park students should be sent in proportionate numbers to other schools in the newly created regional district along with increased per-pupil aid. At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. That will
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Right Werner, because kids from Spring Lake, Sea Girt, Interlaken and the rest suffer such great identity problems from being bused out of their towms to go school. You can just see it in the way kids from those towns struggle in life. Just no identity to be proud of. Good grief. Let me tell you something right now. The worst thing that could happen to this debate is to let psychobabble about community identity obfuscate this issue. How many generations of Asbury Park kids would you like to see suffer in the name of this identity issue you raise? Besides, pride comes from being a part of something good. This school situation is not good for them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have to agree with you Werner. Keep the K-8 they have a chance if the BOE switches to K-8 schools. The High School kids should be bus out to L.B. and Neptune they overbuilt their new schools by a couple hundred kids each. But first, both Supers. have to go. They should try and hire the LB Super. He may have a big ego but he has the respect of the Teachers and he gets the job done. He walks the walk. Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
I'm with you on this one Tom. I've been advocating state takeover but that's no great solution either. I think this is a better way to go. Bottom line is that this is so broken there's no fixing it as it is today. The reccomendation you have been advocating, and now apparently the APP is, seems like a viable solution to proving better learning opportunities for APP kids. And Werner, I would tend to believe it is better to provide a good educational opportunity regionally then to fail our kids because we are worried about the identity of a community's children being sacrificed. How many decades does it take to demonstrate that this school system will not solve it's own problems. How many generations of kids should we sacrifice to keep local control? What is the community identity left for these kids by a failed school system? Tom makes a good point below about the other towns who don't have their own HS - doesn't seem to be a problem there. So why would it be for our kids? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right Werner, because kids from Spring Lake, Sea Girt, Interlaken and the rest suffer such great identity problems from being bused out of their towms to go school. You can just see it in the way kids from those towns struggle in life. Just no identity to be proud of. Good grief. Let me tell you something right now. The worst thing that could happen to this debate is to let psychobabble about community identity obfuscate this issue. How many generations of Asbury Park kids would you like to see suffer in the name of this identity issue you raise? Besides, pride comes from being a part of something good. This school situation is not good for them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good debate goig on here. I'm with you on this one Tom. I've been advocating state takeover but that's no great solution either. I think this is a better way to go. Bottom line is that this is so broken there's no fixing it as it is today. The reccomendation you have been advocating, and now apparently the APP is, seems like a viable solution to proving better learning opportunities for APP kids. And Werner, I would tend to believe it is better to provide a good educational opportunity regionally then to fail our kids because we are worried about the identity of a community's children being sacrificed. How many decades does it take to demonstrate that this school system will not solve it's own problems. How many generations of kids should we sacrifice to keep local control? What is the community identity left for these kids by a failed school system? Tom makes a good point below about the other towns who don't have their own HS - doesn't seem to be a problem there. So why would it be for our kids? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Right Werner, because kids from Spring Lake, Sea Girt, Interlaken and the rest suffer such great identity problems from being bused out of their towms to go school. You can just see it in the way kids from those towns struggle in life. Just no identity to be proud of. Good grief. Let me tell you something right now. The worst thing that could happen to this debate is to let psychobabble about community identity obfuscate this issue. How many generations of Asbury Park kids would you like to see suffer in the name of this identity issue you raise? Besides, pride comes from being a part of something good. This school situation is not good for them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
-To get to LB do you not have to travel through Ocean? -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: I would have to agree with you Werner. Keep the K-8 they have a chance if the BOE switches to K-8 schools. The High School kids should be bus out to L.B. and Neptune they overbuilt their new schools by a couple hundred kids each. But first, both Supers. have to go. They should try and hire the LB Super. He may have a big ego but he has the respect of the Teachers and he gets the job done. He walks the walk. Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Asbury Park Press Headline Ocean Twp parents blocks bus coming from Asbury Park School District? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: I would have to agree with you Werner. Keep the K-8 they have a chance if the BOE switches to K-8 schools. The High School kids should be bus out to L.B. and Neptune they overbuilt their new schools by a couple hundred kids each. But first, both Supers. have to go. They should try and hire the LB Super. He may have a big ego but he has the respect of the Teachers and he gets the job done. He walks the walk. Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Denise you are right to point that out. Under my plan, the High School Students get split among 7 area schools: Manasquan, Wall, Neptune, Ocean, Long Branch, Shore Regional and Red Bank Regional. Also some of the Charter and specialty schools could be utilized. I'm betting we could get the number of students each school as to absorb down to 15 to 20 per grade, so as not to overburden any school with too much immediate growth. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To get to LB do you not have to travel through Ocean? -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: I would have to agree with you Werner. Keep the K-8 they have a chance if the BOE switches to K-8 schools. The High School kids should be bus out to L.B. and Neptune they overbuilt their new schools by a couple hundred kids each. But first, both Supers. have to go. They should try and hire the LB Super. He may have a big ego but he has the respect of the Teachers and he gets the job done. He walks the walk. Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
I am glad to see that there is finally a spirited debate in regard to the Asbury Park School District. I guess we can call it the Tommy Plan? As for the school being dismantled, that is absolutely insane. It will never happen. We all know it and it is ridiculous to think it will happen. Regionalization may considered way down the line, but it will take years to happen. Especially with the pitviper lawyers out there chomping at the bit to get a piece of this legal action from the surrounding towns. Tommy, you know that's going to happen. It isn't possible for this to happen in 4 months. We need to have a plan in place now. The High School, Middle School and Alternative Middle School are in chaos. Without strong leadership from the top down, this will never be fixed. Lewis was the cause of this entire debacle. When he took over in 1999, the scores began to plummett, drastically. There has been no strong leadership in this district in any of the years that Lewis has been in charge. We need strong leaders in all these schools. He has constantly hired weak links that he could control. This is a total recipe for disaster. We need the strong leaders in here now to begin to fix the problems. As for hiring a Ferina from LB, the staff fear him, they don't necessarily like him. You can't run a district on fear and intimidation like Lewis did for all his years here. I believe that people that are interested in the well being of the staff and students, they need to run for the BOE. The filing deadline is 4pm today. You need 10 signatures. This is a pivotal year. 5 seats are up and it can totally change. It's time to get some stability in here now.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Denise you are right to point that out. Under my plan, the High School Students get split among 7 area schools: Manasquan, Wall, Neptune, Ocean, Long Branch, Shore Regional and Red Bank Regional. Also some of the Charter and specialty schools could be utilized. I'm betting we could get the number of students each school as to absorb down to 15 to 20 per grade, so as not to overburden any school with too much immediate growth. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Denise denisemchd@ wrote: -To get to LB do you not have to travel through Ocean? -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: I would have to agree with you Werner. Keep the K-8 they have a chance if the BOE switches to K-8 schools. The High School kids should be bus out to L.B. and Neptune they overbuilt their new schools by a couple hundred kids each. But first, both Supers. have to go. They should try and hire the LB Super. He may have a big ego but he has the respect of the Teachers and he gets the job done. He walks the walk. Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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and in the editorial: At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. 1. Problem is now, there is NO place to stick the troublemakers - other then to mainstream them. Like castro emptying out trouble to the us. 2. Long branch has extra capacity and so does neptune. 3.OT already has 30 plus kids per class and no place to stick the trouble makers and the high school can't handle the problems it has today. 4. Is the state going to supplement the receving schools - or are the resident taxpayers going to get stuck trying to fix waht over 1 billion didn't? 5. What is the plan over the next 5 years to ELIMINATE the misuse and abuse of the Abbott Systems. Eliminate the attorneys representing the Abbott districts and there would be over $20 million more that could gotto education instrad of defending and covering up the abuse. 6. HOw will school budgets be voted on - bussing doesn't FIX the homelife and social aspects of going home to a vacant home, a drug infested home or no home or to a gang mom either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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apeaexec1, Why is your solution always run for the board of ed? Why, so another crop of people can fight with the administration while the kids go nowhere? We're way past that. It's time to end it all. No sense wasting more youth while we check our watches waiting for developments that might come way down the road. Been there done that. We can give these kids better schools by sending them to better schools right away. It's the best plan for the kids. Don't worry, there will be plenty of placement for union members in the other schools. ;-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am glad to see that there is finally a spirited debate in regard to the Asbury Park School District. I guess we can call it the Tommy Plan? As for the school being dismantled, that is absolutely insane. It will never happen. We all know it and it is ridiculous to think it will happen. Regionalization may considered way down the line, but it will take years to happen. Especially with the pitviper lawyers out there chomping at the bit to get a piece of this legal action from the surrounding towns. Tommy, you know that's going to happen. It isn't possible for this to happen in 4 months. We need to have a plan in place now. The High School, Middle School and Alternative Middle School are in chaos. Without strong leadership from the top down, this will never be fixed. Lewis was the cause of this entire debacle. When he took over in 1999, the scores began to plummett, drastically. There has been no strong leadership in this district in any of the years that Lewis has been in charge. We need strong leaders in all these schools. He has constantly hired weak links that he could control. This is a total recipe for disaster. We need the strong leaders in here now to begin to fix the problems. As for hiring a Ferina from LB, the staff fear him, they don't necessarily like him. You can't run a district on fear and intimidation like Lewis did for all his years here. I believe that people that are interested in the well being of the staff and students, they need to run for the BOE. The filing deadline is 4pm today. You need 10 signatures. This is a pivotal year. 5 seats are up and it can totally change. It's time to get some stability in here now.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Denise you are right to point that out. Under my plan, the High School Students get split among 7 area schools: Manasquan, Wall, Neptune, Ocean, Long Branch, Shore Regional and Red Bank Regional. Also some of the Charter and specialty schools could be utilized. I'm betting we could get the number of students each school as to absorb down to 15 to 20 per grade, so as not to overburden any school with too much immediate growth. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Denise denisemchd@ wrote: -To get to LB do you not have to travel through Ocean? -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: I would have to agree with you Werner. Keep the K-8 they have a chance if the BOE switches to K-8 schools. The High School kids should be bus out to L.B. and Neptune they overbuilt their new schools by a couple hundred kids each. But first, both Supers. have to go. They should try and hire the LB Super. He may have a big ego but he has the respect of the Teachers and he gets the job done. He walks the walk. Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Oak, You bring up a good point that was covered alot on Randy Bergmann's Blog. We are talking about resources. When a school has a vast majority of kids who need no special attention, then they will have plenty of resources to deal with the few kids that need attention. Now look at Asbury Park High School. Judging from the report card, 8 out of every 10 students needs extra help right now. We have our heads in the sand if we think one school can handle its problems when 8 out of 10 needs attenion. Breaking up the students to other schools, where the resources from all the schools can be used, and the amount of kids in each school being diluted, is the best way to garner those resources and help the kids. IMHO. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and in the editorial: At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. 1. Problem is now, there is NO place to stick the troublemakers - other then to mainstream them. Like castro emptying out trouble to the us. 2. Long branch has extra capacity and so does neptune. 3.OT already has 30 plus kids per class and no place to stick the trouble makers and the high school can't handle the problems it has today. 4. Is the state going to supplement the receving schools - or are the resident taxpayers going to get stuck trying to fix waht over 1 billion didn't? 5. What is the plan over the next 5 years to ELIMINATE the misuse and abuse of the Abbott Systems. Eliminate the attorneys representing the Abbott districts and there would be over $20 million more that could gotto education instrad of defending and covering up the abuse. 6. HOw will school budgets be voted on - bussing doesn't FIX the homelife and social aspects of going home to a vacant home, a drug infested home or no home or to a gang mom either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy even I do agree with you on some of your points. Now Sharons issues come into play because these white communities will NOT ALLOW this to happen. Maybe 25 years from now. The State could start by ending this RCA bull and make these white communities build affordable housing in there towns. I know you mean well but your R friends are no friends of AP their base of voters are from white communities and the same goes for some D's. Oak, You bring up a good point that was covered alot on Randy Bergmann's Blog. We are talking about resources. When a school has a vast majority of kids who need no special attention, then they will have plenty of resources to deal with the few kids that need attention. Now look at Asbury Park High School. Judging from the report card, 8 out of every 10 students needs extra help right now. We have our heads in the sand if we think one school can handle its problems when 8 out of 10 needs attenion. Breaking up the students to other schools, where the resources from all the schools can be used, and the amount of kids in each school being diluted, is the best way to garner those resources and help the kids. IMHO. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: and in the editorial: At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. 1. Problem is now, there is NO place to stick the troublemakers - other then to mainstream them. Like castro emptying out trouble to the us. 2. Long branch has extra capacity and so does neptune. 3.OT already has 30 plus kids per class and no place to stick the trouble makers and the high school can't handle the problems it has today. 4. Is the state going to supplement the receving schools - or are the resident taxpayers going to get stuck trying to fix waht over 1 billion didn't? 5. What is the plan over the next 5 years to ELIMINATE the misuse and abuse of the Abbott Systems. Eliminate the attorneys representing the Abbott districts and there would be over $20 million more that could gotto education instrad of defending and covering up the abuse. 6. HOw will school budgets be voted on - bussing doesn't FIX the homelife and social aspects of going home to a vacant home, a drug infested home or no home or to a gang mom either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You make a good point Fred, which is why I advocate a Federal Civil Rights lawsuit to desegregate the schools. There is no political will on either side to tackle it. Absent some miraculous change of heart by the towns and politicians, we are going to need that Federal Court Order. I'm certain we can get it. The suit has to be filed. All we have to do is convince Frank and the Board it is worth filing. For the amount of $ we spend on the school board attorney over the past few years, this suit should have been included in the price. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Tommy even I do agree with you on some of your points. Now Sharons issues come into play because these white communities will NOT ALLOW this to happen. Maybe 25 years from now. The State could start by ending this RCA bull and make these white communities build affordable housing in there towns. I know you mean well but your R friends are no friends of AP their base of voters are from white communities and the same goes for some D's. Oak, You bring up a good point that was covered alot on Randy Bergmann's Blog. We are talking about resources. When a school has a vast majority of kids who need no special attention, then they will have plenty of resources to deal with the few kids that need attention. Now look at Asbury Park High School. Judging from the report card, 8 out of every 10 students needs extra help right now. We have our heads in the sand if we think one school can handle its problems when 8 out of 10 needs attenion. Breaking up the students to other schools, where the resources from all the schools can be used, and the amount of kids in each school being diluted, is the best way to garner those resources and help the kids. IMHO. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: and in the editorial: At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. 1. Problem is now, there is NO place to stick the troublemakers - other then to mainstream them. Like castro emptying out trouble to the us. 2. Long branch has extra capacity and so does neptune. 3.OT already has 30 plus kids per class and no place to stick the trouble makers and the high school can't handle the problems it has today. 4. Is the state going to supplement the receving schools - or are the resident taxpayers going to get stuck trying to fix waht over 1 billion didn't? 5. What is the plan over the next 5 years to ELIMINATE the misuse and abuse of the Abbott Systems. Eliminate the attorneys representing the Abbott districts and there would be over $20 million more that could gotto education instrad of defending and covering up the abuse. 6. HOw will school budgets be voted on - bussing doesn't FIX the homelife and social aspects of going home to a vacant home, a drug infested home or no home or to a gang mom either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Tommy, Be real. Your family is from this district and my family is from this district. You all graduated from the High School. Do you really want to see your alma mater dismantled? And have all these kids sent all over the county? Some of the comments are right. The kids in these other towns have no identity to a town that has no school system; ie: Interlaken. The solution is not to run, the solution is to get involved. If running is getting involved, than so be it. I am in the system everyday. I know there is no leadership, nor has there been any real leadership in the High School and Middle School for years. Maybe, if some people get involved, and make the right recommendations, there can be effective change put in place. that's what it takes. Let's get back to the real issue. Dismantling is not going to happen. And it's not just because I represent these members and would not want them to lose their jobs. We also stand up for the saftey and well being of the students too. You that we try to get involved in as many positive projects as possible in this district. There needs to be a core group of people that come together, community, clergy, politicians, staff members, and business owners to begin to come up with solutions to the problems that plague the district. If getting behind candidates is the solution to fixing the problems, than that's what has to be done. Everyone needs to be involved. You know it all comes down to politics. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apeaexec1, Why is your solution always run for the board of ed? Why, so another crop of people can fight with the administration while the kids go nowhere? We're way past that. It's time to end it all. No sense wasting more youth while we check our watches waiting for developments that might come way down the road. Been there done that. We can give these kids better schools by sending them to better schools right away. It's the best plan for the kids. Don't worry, there will be plenty of placement for union members in the other schools. ;-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: I am glad to see that there is finally a spirited debate in regard to the Asbury Park School District. I guess we can call it the Tommy Plan? As for the school being dismantled, that is absolutely insane. It will never happen. We all know it and it is ridiculous to think it will happen. Regionalization may considered way down the line, but it will take years to happen. Especially with the pitviper lawyers out there chomping at the bit to get a piece of this legal action from the surrounding towns. Tommy, you know that's going to happen. It isn't possible for this to happen in 4 months. We need to have a plan in place now. The High School, Middle School and Alternative Middle School are in chaos. Without strong leadership from the top down, this will never be fixed. Lewis was the cause of this entire debacle. When he took over in 1999, the scores began to plummett, drastically. There has been no strong leadership in this district in any of the years that Lewis has been in charge. We need strong leaders in all these schools. He has constantly hired weak links that he could control. This is a total recipe for disaster. We need the strong leaders in here now to begin to fix the problems. As for hiring a Ferina from LB, the staff fear him, they don't necessarily like him. You can't run a district on fear and intimidation like Lewis did for all his years here. I believe that people that are interested in the well being of the staff and students, they need to run for the BOE. The filing deadline is 4pm today. You need 10 signatures. This is a pivotal year. 5 seats are up and it can totally change. It's time to get some stability in here now.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Denise you are right to point that out. Under my plan, the High School Students get split among 7 area schools: Manasquan, Wall, Neptune, Ocean, Long Branch, Shore Regional and Red Bank Regional. Also some of the Charter and specialty schools could be utilized. I'm betting we could get the number of students each school as to absorb down to 15 to 20 per grade, so as not to overburden any school with too much immediate growth. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Denise denisemchd@ wrote: -To get to LB do you not have to travel through Ocean? -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: I would have to agree with you Werner. Keep the K-8 they have a chance if the
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You make a good point Fred, which is why I advocate a Federal Civil Rights lawsuit to desegregate the schools. A lawyer advocating a lawsuit. How novel!;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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ocean can't handle what they have now - ask conti. trust me on this one. Out of control. Nothing they can do with at least 30% of the kids or more. Maybe if OT could get 30% of AP's funding. that would be 50% of our ENTIRE budget. I'd take that 30mill the first year, lease and fit out a nice school. The 2nd year with that 30mill, I'd hookup all the kids with funding for college. I'd keep 1% for my own pocket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I would love to agree with you that getting involved is the answer. I tend to agree with Tom that the problem is so pervasive that we're well beyond that. It seems that you are oversimplifying the issue - this isn't about Lewis although he clearly was a problem. These problems have existed way, way before Lewis and continue after his departure. The system is just far too broken and the only real losers (beyond the local and state taxpayers) are the kids. How many more generations should we sacrifice trying to get it right one board member and one administration at a time? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, Be real. Your family is from this district and my family is from this district. You all graduated from the High School. Do you really want to see your alma mater dismantled? And have all these kids sent all over the county? Some of the comments are right. The kids in these other towns have no identity to a town that has no school system; ie: Interlaken. The solution is not to run, the solution is to get involved. If running is getting involved, than so be it. I am in the system everyday. I know there is no leadership, nor has there been any real leadership in the High School and Middle School for years. Maybe, if some people get involved, and make the right recommendations, there can be effective change put in place. that's what it takes. Let's get back to the real issue. Dismantling is not going to happen. And it's not just because I represent these members and would not want them to lose their jobs. We also stand up for the saftey and well being of the students too. You that we try to get involved in as many positive projects as possible in this district. There needs to be a core group of people that come together, community, clergy, politicians, staff members, and business owners to begin to come up with solutions to the problems that plague the district. If getting behind candidates is the solution to fixing the problems, than that's what has to be done. Everyone needs to be involved. You know it all comes down to politics. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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A lawyer advocating a lawsuit. How novel!;) That's what the Abbott System is based on- LAWSUITS. To remain one, get more money for, to be sure it WILL NEVER END. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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John, The High School was dismantled 10 years ago when they segregated it. That's not my alma mater. I went to a desegregated school with white kids, black kids, rich kids and poor kids.] That school is gone; there is a racially segregated school there and I have no love for a segregated school. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, Be real. Your family is from this district and my family is from this district. You all graduated from the High School. Do you really want to see your alma mater dismantled? And have all these kids sent all over the county? Some of the comments are right. The kids in these other towns have no identity to a town that has no school system; ie: Interlaken. The solution is not to run, the solution is to get involved. If running is getting involved, than so be it. I am in the system everyday. I know there is no leadership, nor has there been any real leadership in the High School and Middle School for years. Maybe, if some people get involved, and make the right recommendations, there can be effective change put in place. that's what it takes. Let's get back to the real issue. Dismantling is not going to happen. And it's not just because I represent these members and would not want them to lose their jobs. We also stand up for the saftey and well being of the students too. You that we try to get involved in as many positive projects as possible in this district. There needs to be a core group of people that come together, community, clergy, politicians, staff members, and business owners to begin to come up with solutions to the problems that plague the district. If getting behind candidates is the solution to fixing the problems, than that's what has to be done. Everyone needs to be involved. You know it all comes down to politics. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: apeaexec1, Why is your solution always run for the board of ed? Why, so another crop of people can fight with the administration while the kids go nowhere? We're way past that. It's time to end it all. No sense wasting more youth while we check our watches waiting for developments that might come way down the road. Been there done that. We can give these kids better schools by sending them to better schools right away. It's the best plan for the kids. Don't worry, there will be plenty of placement for union members in the other schools. ;-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: I am glad to see that there is finally a spirited debate in regard to the Asbury Park School District. I guess we can call it the Tommy Plan? As for the school being dismantled, that is absolutely insane. It will never happen. We all know it and it is ridiculous to think it will happen. Regionalization may considered way down the line, but it will take years to happen. Especially with the pitviper lawyers out there chomping at the bit to get a piece of this legal action from the surrounding towns. Tommy, you know that's going to happen. It isn't possible for this to happen in 4 months. We need to have a plan in place now. The High School, Middle School and Alternative Middle School are in chaos. Without strong leadership from the top down, this will never be fixed. Lewis was the cause of this entire debacle. When he took over in 1999, the scores began to plummett, drastically. There has been no strong leadership in this district in any of the years that Lewis has been in charge. We need strong leaders in all these schools. He has constantly hired weak links that he could control. This is a total recipe for disaster. We need the strong leaders in here now to begin to fix the problems. As for hiring a Ferina from LB, the staff fear him, they don't necessarily like him. You can't run a district on fear and intimidation like Lewis did for all his years here. I believe that people that are interested in the well being of the staff and students, they need to run for the BOE. The filing deadline is 4pm today. You need 10 signatures. This is a pivotal year. 5 seats are up and it can totally change. It's time to get some stability in here now.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Denise you are right to point that out. Under my plan, the High School Students get split among 7 area schools: Manasquan, Wall, Neptune, Ocean, Long Branch, Shore Regional and Red Bank Regional. Also some of the Charter and specialty schools could be utilized. I'm betting we could get the number of students
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, The High School was dismantled 10 years ago when they segregated it. That's not my alma mater. I went to a desegregated school with white kids, black kids, rich kids and poor kids.] That school is gone; there is a racially segregated school there and I have no love for a segregated school. Why is it segregated? Whites fled no? Bus white kids in then. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of anyone I gew up with from Interlaken or Deal that has a social problem cause of the high school they HAD to go to. The kids that went to St. Rose, RBC and CBA all seem ok. Now those that went to AP, some learned to be tough playing Fball etc and getting their asses kicked. Now that I think about themthey are a bit crazier. AP's school issues are larger than the school system. Social. Accountability and entitlement, on both sides of the desk. No sacred cows. Tough love. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lawyer advocating a lawsuit. How novel!;) I'm sure glad you weren't around to dissuade Thurgood Marshall from advocating Brown v Bd of Educaiton ;-) By the way how ironic Marshall was the attorney on Brown v Bd. of Ed which made racial segregation of schools illegal, and we name a school after him in a district purposfully segregated by race. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Hi, What about the teachers and other administrators do they have any accountablility to our children? How could generation after generation go to school in this district and not obtain an education? I am asking you this because you seem to have all the answers. If there is no longer going to be teaching done at the middle and high schools then you need to close both schools and let the children go to other none existing schools. Toni Ross BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Tommy, maybe if we begin to fix it, it will change back to the school that you did graduate from as well as the one that my brothers, your brothers and sisters and our fathers graduated from. When were saying they have no identity, it's to a town and a school system. When a kid graduates from ASbury PArk, more than likely, he grew up in Asbury PArk. When a kid graduates from Ocean Township, he lived in Ocean Township. When a kid goes to St. Rose, RBC or CBA, there is no identity to a town and school. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: A lawyer advocating a lawsuit. How novel!;) I'm sure glad you weren't around to dissuade Thurgood Marshall from advocating Brown v Bd of Educaiton ;-) By the way how ironic Marshall was the attorney on Brown v Bd. of Ed which made racial segregation of schools illegal, and we name a school after him in a district purposfully segregated by race. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
we've said it before, you can bus the kids to private schools as well. At 10k per kid - give themeven $12k per kid. Then whomever wants could pocket the other $8k per kid. There should be a federal lawsuit against the BOE for failing to educate for 10 years and squandering Abbott money. Bus them out. And save money. Then you can start with a whole new school system. New schools, new employees and a new outlook. 1.Close the highschool in 08. (my 4 year phaseout) 2.Bus them to private schools - anywhere they want to go - families as well. Fund them with NJ state money for any kid from 9-12 grade. 3.kids from 5-9 grade - send them to private schools as well. This way they might have a shot. 4.Take the rest - prek-4th grade and concentrate and the kids AND THEIR family situations. Work both. 5.That gives you 5 years to decide where to send those kids when they reach 9th grade - either a new highschool - or to private schools. 6. Give the parent the choice of a private school. Those 4th graders and their families, in 5 years, might have an idea. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it segregated? Whites fled no? No sir. This was vetted over at Randy's Blog. Please bear with me as I go through this here one time. I'd love Frank and John to give me their thoughts. I take no issue with the actions of parents. Move where you wish, pay for private school if you wish, and you have my full support and blessing for both. I also am not a big believer in busing kids from one district to another (although sometimes to end de facto segregation it needs to happen). None of the above is what happened to Asbury. It was not the actions of parents that segregated this school 10 years ago, nor am I suggesting we take kids from other districts and bring them here. Here is what happened: Asbury's High School District is half of Belmar, Avon, Bradley, Asbury, Allenhurst, Deal and Interlaken. Those kids' home High School is Asbury Park. If you aren't in private school (which I support) Asbury is where you come. And come here they did. I believe it was 1996 (don't hold me to the date; I'll check) Asbury noticed there was a drain. Suddenly many of the kids from the other towns were being bused OUT OF DISTRICT TO ANOTHER PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL - RED BANK REGIONAL. Note well that no one ever changed the district. The district was still the same. Asbury Park sued in a venue where the State Commissioner of Eduction gets to make the ruling. Asbury's lawyer never raised the segregation consequences, which the Commissioner could have raised himself. The Commissioner ruled that because Red Bank has such a fine music program, kids who wanted to go there from Asbury Park's District could apply to study music there. However, he never changed the district. He simply said let them leave if they want and go to Red Bank if accepted. The district remained the same. So on a legal analysis, what the Commissioner created was a situation where little Johhy Whitebread has a right to learn the oboe that outwieghs the Constitutional Right of black kids in Asbury Park to be in a desegregated school. Which of course will never hold up in Federal Court. After the ruling, every white kid from Belmar to Deal became a music major and went to RBR. Each school even has an administrator to help with the application process to get the kids around AP and into Red Bank. I saw a statistic a few years back. There were 67 High School aged kids in Avon who normally would be in Asbury Park High, but 66 of them were not there; most were at Red Bank Regional. Understand the effect of this. I'm not suggesting we take kids from a different district and bring them here for desegregation. I'm pointing out the opposite happened: We took all the white kids FROM OUR DISTRICT and bused them away to a different district. That's reverse busing that caused the segregation; not the usual opposite. The school district never changed; the kids in Asbury's district were bused to a different public school district. Our sending towns did not change (although I understand Avon recently was approved to start sending kids to Wall). That left Asbury Park segregated, and it was done by the State Commissioner of Education. That is state action, which is why it can be attacked constitutionally in Federal Court. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What about the teachers and other administrators do they have any accountablility to our children? How could generation after generation go to school in this district and not obtain an education? I am asking you this because you seem to have all the answers. If there is no longer going to be teaching done at the middle and high schools then you need to close both schools and let the children go to other none existing schools. Ahh. Two issues: 1) will the unions allow incentive pay (but how do you mark performance for someone teaching troubled youths, etc.) 2) are our teachers allowed to teach. Plenty of blame to go around. No easy fixes. Fix what needs to be fixed in the classroom. Fix what needs to be fixed on the street and in the home. Children need a safe environment to learn. Those preventing such an environment, on both sides of the desk, need to be removed. For troubled homes etc., pay or tie assistance to attendance and performance. People cannot be thrown in the water without a lifeboat. Yet in the same vein, people can't constantly wander out into dangerous waters during a storm and expect always to be saved. Accountability on both sides. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So on a legal analysis, what the Commissioner created was a situation where little Johhy Whitebread has a right to learn the oboe that outwieghs the Constitutional Right of black kids in Asbury Park to be in a desegregated school. Which of course will never hold up in Federal Court. Whites fled. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Please check your information. I believe it was an Asbury Park resident who suggested to Belmar, Bradley Beach, Interlaken have your children take music and the arts as a major subject. Then went to Red Bank and was paid to help create a music and arts program. It was challenged I believe in court by Asbury Park and because there was no music or arts program at the high school. Red Bank could take any of the students. But there is more I believe Asbury Park in some cases had to pay Red Bank for these students going to there if they were Asbury Park residents. Like I said it needs to be checked out first. We can go on and on about who is the blame but you can have people using this district as a cash cow and not have these kind of results with our students doing poorly. One last question to put out there: If you work on a job and every year your 70% of your product could be sold how long would you have your job? BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whites fled. 1,000 times No! Fleeing would be moving out of the district. They are still in the district as we speak. The Commish is busing them to another. That isn't fleeing by parents; thats segregation by the State. If the Commish doesn't make that ruling, the kids are here in their own district. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1,000 times No! Fleeing would be moving out of the district. They are still in the district as we speak. The Commish is busing them to another. That isn't fleeing by parents; thats segregation by the State. If the Commish doesn't make that ruling, the kids are here in their own district. Are they being forced to go somewhere else or is that by choice and they are being allowed to? That is what your post suggested. If that is so, it is fleeing. I only followed this line of whites/blacks because of your segregation post. Segregation is race-defined. Should we be talking about this? Someone could look in and suggest we are saying that the color of one's skin has a direct correlation to a school's performance. I don't think we should go there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Please check your own information. Mine's been checked. I have the ruling in my hot little hands. It is from the State Commissioner of Education. It was not brought to Court in a Federal Civil Rights Action as it should have been 10 years ago. You are correct about the ruling - it was based upon the music program. That means it will not outweigh the segregation consequences in Federal Court. We have a slam dunk in our laps and we aren't taking it. So no, nothing has to be checked out first. I already know who to blame (State Dept. of Education). All that has to happen now is for the Board of Education to instruct their lawyer to start the action. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please check your information. I believe it was an Asbury Park resident who suggested to Belmar, Bradley Beach, Interlaken have your children take music and the arts as a major subject. Then went to Red Bank and was paid to help create a music and arts program. It was challenged I believe in court by Asbury Park and because there was no music or arts program at the high school. Red Bank could take any of the students. But there is more I believe Asbury Park in some cases had to pay Red Bank for these students going to there if they were Asbury Park residents. Like I said it needs to be checked out first. We can go on and on about who is the blame but you can have people using this district as a cash cow and not have these kind of results with our students doing poorly. One last question to put out there: If you work on a job and every year your 70% of your product could be sold how long would you have your job? BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Now you are disagreeing with Brown v Bd. of Ed. (I don't think you intend to). Schools that are segregated by race via State action, be it intentional or de facto, is forbidden in America. Performance being down only helps our cause. I don't think there is any question that the ruling by the Commish de facto segregated the schools - just look at the rolls, and compare them to before. It shouldn't stand. The Board of Ed should have brought suit 10 years ago. It's never too late - no statute of limiations on segregation. Absent a lawsuit, you would have to solve this by political actions. Sorry but the grand tradition of liberal activism of Marshall, Bobby Kennedy and MLK, Jr. that focused on PEOPLE is gone. Today liberals want to save trees, whales, spotted owls and crap like that. Today's conservatives won't be jumping on this ship with me either. We need the lawsuit. Please file the suit, Frank. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: 1,000 times No! Fleeing would be moving out of the district. They are still in the district as we speak. The Commish is busing them to another. That isn't fleeing by parents; thats segregation by the State. If the Commish doesn't make that ruling, the kids are here in their own district. Are they being forced to go somewhere else or is that by choice and they are being allowed to? That is what your post suggested. If that is so, it is fleeing. I only followed this line of whites/blacks because of your segregation post. Segregation is race-defined. Should we be talking about this? Someone could look in and suggest we are saying that the color of one's skin has a direct correlation to a school's performance. I don't think we should go there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The parents are electing where to send their kids. From what you say, some convinced to get their sending district changed to Wall. If that failed, don't you think they would of just sent their kids to private schools - like St. Rose or RBC. Others elected, in 8th grade, to let their kids learn the oboe, if they so chose. I wish my daughter learned the oboe instead of dealing with the problems in OT. One more year of that mess. BUT, I am still working on my son to convince him that dramatic acting may be his calling. Then again, I heard the RBR isn't all it's cracked up to be. Do it like CBA: These are the rules. Don't like it - leave. Don't want to learn - later. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The RBR deal for all the districts, especially Deal, Interlaken and Allenhurst is a copout for those towns. It's a loophole that I have questioned in Interlaken for several years. When I questioned it for the sake of making these parents either send their kids to AP or send them to a school they have to pay for, I was told we can't do that. I don't know all the legal aspects of this situation. You would know better than me. All I can tell you is that somehow, they are allowed to do this. The lawyer, at the time, was Sandy Brown, for the Interlaken BOE. What I resent is the fact that as a taxpayer, I have to subsidize a music Program for students attending RBR, when we all know that none of these students will ever be majoring in music. It's a bunch of b.s.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you are disagreeing with Brown v Bd. of Ed. (I don't think you intend to). Schools that are segregated by race via State action, be it intentional or de facto, is forbidden in America. Performance being down only helps our cause. I don't think there is any question that the ruling by the Commish de facto segregated the schools - just look at the rolls, and compare them to before. It shouldn't stand. The Board of Ed should have brought suit 10 years ago. It's never too late - no statute of limiations on segregation. Absent a lawsuit, you would have to solve this by political actions. Sorry but the grand tradition of liberal activism of Marshall, Bobby Kennedy and MLK, Jr. that focused on PEOPLE is gone. Today liberals want to save trees, whales, spotted owls and crap like that. Today's conservatives won't be jumping on this ship with me either. We need the lawsuit. Please file the suit, Frank. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: 1,000 times No! Fleeing would be moving out of the district. They are still in the district as we speak. The Commish is busing them to another. That isn't fleeing by parents; thats segregation by the State. If the Commish doesn't make that ruling, the kids are here in their own district. Are they being forced to go somewhere else or is that by choice and they are being allowed to? That is what your post suggested. If that is so, it is fleeing. I only followed this line of whites/blacks because of your segregation post. Segregation is race-defined. Should we be talking about this? Someone could look in and suggest we are saying that the color of one's skin has a direct correlation to a school's performance. I don't think we should go there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Sounds better than what we have and I say, KEEP, the 1%, if it works! I know Conti, too! He was an excellent Football Coach at AP, for years! He knew me, from my Pop Warner days. On Thanksgiving Day, I'd take one boy from Asbury and 1 from Neptune, to the LM Diner, on the Circle. All of the coaches from Ocean TWP., were there, also. It was to teach, Sportsmanship! For me, Football, was just a game! For the kids? It was bragging rights! I did this from 1977 through 1989. My last child graduated, June, 1989 and I moved on. The kids who were the recipients, never forgot and they became friends for life and found out that Neptune and Asbury Park, are ONE and the SAME! I'm glad that I had the opportunity to spend time with these great athletes, who were just, kids! I wish these adults, would be half, of what these kids, were and are! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ocean can't handle what they have now - ask conti. trust me on this one. Out of control. Nothing they can do with at least 30% of the kids or more. Maybe if OT could get 30% of AP's funding. that would be 50% of our ENTIRE budget. I'd take that 30mill the first year, lease and fit out a nice school. The 2nd year with that 30mill, I'd hookup all the kids with funding for college. I'd keep 1% for my own pocket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same thing Conti was chased from Asbury Park, some people in the Community and the Board wanting him out. They got their wish. Now compare football programs. Sounds better than what we have and I say, KEEP, the 1%, if it works! I know Conti, too! He was an excellent Football Coach at AP, for years! He knew me, from my Pop Warner days. On Thanksgiving Day, I'd take one boy from Asbury and 1 from Neptune, to the LM Diner, on the Circle. All of the coaches from Ocean TWP., were there, also. It was to teach, Sportsmanship! For me, Football, was just a game! For the kids? It was bragging rights! I did this from 1977 through 1989. My last child graduated, June, 1989 and I moved on. The kids who were the recipients, never forgot and they became friends for life and found out that Neptune and Asbury Park, are ONE and the SAME! I'm glad that I had the opportunity to spend time with these great athletes, who were just, kids! I wish these adults, would be half, of what these kids, were and are! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: ocean can't handle what they have now - ask conti. trust me on this one. Out of control. Nothing they can do with at least 30% of the kids or more. Maybe if OT could get 30% of AP's funding. that would be 50% of our ENTIRE budget. I'd take that 30mill the first year, lease and fit out a nice school. The 2nd year with that 30mill, I'd hookup all the kids with funding for college. I'd keep 1% for my own pocket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tommy, your right, just read this and fifty other posts,extreme situations take unusual or even illegal actions to correct injustices. the bd. should put the state on notice we are shutting down the high school on june 30th 2007 , from that day on we will be operating an efficent preschool thru 8th grade school system , if you do not like this arrest us, yes harsh but needed reaction . as much as john says this cannot be done in 4 months , how do we know, put the bullet in the gun and pull the trigger, or else put an electronic scoreboard up counting the number of children getting screwed every day and every year till this is fixed. like the ones tracking the federal deficit or the dead overseas. john i hope you are feeling better soon, with all your posts today im assuming you must be out sick, not posting from your work site, the schools.. You make a good point Fred, which is why I advocate a Federal Civil Rights lawsuit to desegregate the schools. There is no political will on either side to tackle it. Absent some miraculous change of heart by the towns and politicians, we are going to need that Federal Court Order. I'm certain we can get it. The suit has to be filed. All we have to do is convince Frank and the Board it is worth filing. For the amount of $ we spend on the school board attorney over the past few years, this suit should have been included in the price. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Tommy even I do agree with you on some of your points. Now Sharons issues come into play because these white communities will NOT ALLOW this to happen. Maybe 25 years from now. The State could start by ending this RCA bull and make these white communities build affordable housing in there towns. I know you mean well but your R friends are no friends of AP their base of voters are from white communities and the same goes for some D's. Oak, You bring up a good point that was covered alot on Randy Bergmann's Blog. We are talking about resources. When a school has a vast majority of kids who need no special attention, then they will have plenty of resources to deal with the few kids that need attention. Now look at Asbury Park High School. Judging from the report card, 8 out of every 10 students needs extra help right now. We have our heads in the sand if we think one school can handle its problems when 8 out of 10 needs attenion. Breaking up the students to other schools, where the resources from all the schools can be used, and the amount of kids in each school being diluted, is the best way to garner those resources and help the kids. IMHO. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: and in the editorial: At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. 1. Problem is now, there is NO place to stick the troublemakers - other then to mainstream them. Like castro emptying out trouble to the us. 2. Long branch has extra capacity and so does neptune. 3.OT already has 30 plus kids per class and no place to stick the trouble makers and the high school can't handle the problems it has today. 4. Is the state going to supplement the receving schools - or are the resident taxpayers going to get stuck trying to fix waht over 1 billion didn't? 5. What is the plan over the next 5 years to ELIMINATE the misuse and abuse of the Abbott Systems. Eliminate the attorneys representing the Abbott districts and there would be over $20 million more that could gotto education instrad of defending and covering up the abuse. 6. HOw will school budgets be voted on - bussing doesn't FIX the homelife and social aspects of going home to a vacant home, a drug infested home or no home or to a gang mom either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Come on Oak. The parents can't do it without the State ruling saying even though you live in this district, we'll let you go to another. Know of any other district that is being allowed this exception? The State is letting it happen, when they are the ones who are supposed to be there to ensure it doesn't happen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The parents are electing where to send their kids. From what you say, some convinced to get their sending district changed to Wall. If that failed, don't you think they would of just sent their kids to private schools - like St. Rose or RBC. Others elected, in 8th grade, to let their kids learn the oboe, if they so chose. I wish my daughter learned the oboe instead of dealing with the problems in OT. One more year of that mess. BUT, I am still working on my son to convince him that dramatic acting may be his calling. Then again, I heard the RBR isn't all it's cracked up to be. Do it like CBA: These are the rules. Don't like it - leave. Don't want to learn - later. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
This not first time the board attorney has checked this matter. The board attorney may have that information. Yes I agree with you the state board of education should sued. They have allowed this mess to go on for far too long, yes you have been paying for students to attend Red Bank Music Art Program. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When were saying they have no identity, it's to a town and a school system. When a kid graduates from ASbury PArk, more than likely, he grew up in Asbury PArk. When a kid graduates from Ocean Township, he lived in Ocean Township. When a kid goes to St. Rose, RBC or CBA, there is no identity to a town and school. John what are you talking about my man? You know as well as I do that for 100 years Asbury Park High School had as many kids in it from the surrounding communities as it did from Asbury Park. The Asbury Only population of the school is only the last decade, imposed by the State by the segregation ruling I talked about. I'll tell you what. Call the Commissioner of Education for the State and County. Call the Board President for all of Asbury sending districts. Line them up for a debate against me on the topic. I won't even use notes, and I'll show up with half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The RBR deal for all the districts, especially Deal, Interlaken and Allenhurst is a copout for those towns. It's a loophole that I have questioned in Interlaken for several years. When I questioned it for the sake of making these parents either send their kids to AP or send them to a school they have to pay for, I was told we can't do that. I don't know all the legal aspects of this situation. You would know better than me. All I can tell you is that somehow, they are allowed to do this. The lawyer, at the time, was Sandy Brown, for the Interlaken BOE. What I resent is the fact that as a taxpayer, I have to subsidize a music Program for students attending RBR, when we all know that none of these students will ever be majoring in music. It's a bunch of b.s. We agree! But don't look at the situation like it is a mystery. I've told you how it happened (Commissioner's ruling) and why it happened (to get the white kids in the Asbury district away from the black kids in Asbury). If anyone is unwilling to say that is the reason it was done, then you can certainly sign on to the idea that it created de facto segregation (segregation in fact as opposed to intent - which is just as illegal). Racial segregation no matter how you cut it. The question is, what to do about it? I have that answer too: Federal Civil Rights lawsuit. Calling Frank D! Calling Robert D! Calling Garrett G! Please do it. You want to help the kids? You want to go down in history as the 3 best Board members ever? You want to be civil rights heroes? File that suit. Please. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The parents in the sending districts have the opportunity to send their kids to private schools. What about parents from those towns who elected to rent a winter home in such towns as ocean to wall twp - so their kids went there?? Just - why don't you send your kids to AP? You going to send your daughter to AP high? Conti did build a wonderful FB rogram at OT. It was called discipline. He is now the OTHS vp of discipline. But his hands are tied. The town of deal is 99% Jewish and don't even reside in town during the school year. Those that do go to Hillel or elsewhere. Deal elementary is a class act - but they should be merged away - cause you don't need a super/principal for 100 kids. Merge away. Interlaken, Belmar and the rest were almost Irish or Italian - Catholic. St. Rose and RBC- for years - not the past 10. 1. Clean up your town 2.clean up your schools. 3.Clean up the crime (1 and 2 go together) 4. Get rid of the attorneys looking for free abbott money. (add 4 to 3) Run the schools like a biz. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do it. You want to help the kids? You want to go down in history as the 3 best Board members ever? You want to be civil rights heroes? File that suit. Please. All you have to do is have standing to file the suit no? If they don't can't a citizen? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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do you really think placing white kids in the system will the others smarter??? We have plenty of dumb or kids who could care less in Ocean. I vote to move all the dumb,non-caring white kids out - to AP. Give me all the caring kids from AP. Then I want to pick 30 kids from around the state, based on their Geppas, and mainstream them yo work with my kids. That's not the problem. The problem is the entire cycle and it's starts in the home. There are plenty of poor, poor districts around the country that do extremely well. Some are urban most are rural -deep south. But they survive. Read, read, read to succeed. How about turning the highschool into a career school - for wannabe attorneys? then you can get all the kids you want from those rich attorney families to AP. Heck the building looks like a court house. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Oak who are you resonding to here? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The parents in the sending districts have the opportunity to send their kids to private schools. What about parents from those towns who elected to rent a winter home in such towns as ocean to wall twp - so their kids went there?? Just - why don't you send your kids to AP? You going to send your daughter to AP high? Conti did build a wonderful FB rogram at OT. It was called discipline. He is now the OTHS vp of discipline. But his hands are tied. The town of deal is 99% Jewish and don't even reside in town during the school year. Those that do go to Hillel or elsewhere. Deal elementary is a class act - but they should be merged away - cause you don't need a super/principal for 100 kids. Merge away. Interlaken, Belmar and the rest were almost Irish or Italian - Catholic. St. Rose and RBC- for years - not the past 10. 1. Clean up your town 2.clean up your schools. 3.Clean up the crime (1 and 2 go together) 4. Get rid of the attorneys looking for free abbott money. (add 4 to 3) Run the schools like a biz. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oak who are you resonding to here? you - or myself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Dan I believe a citizen can, but the undertaking will be long and expensive (otherwise I would do it myself). You know how these suits work, but for others reading: You have to gather the facts on paper. That means sending subpoenas for records for enrollment records and performance records before and after the Commissioner's ruling in 1996. Not just Asbury, but the sending Districts too. Then you'd have to get similar discover from Red Bank Regional. Certianly then there would be depostions to clear up matters in the paper record. Then you need to get it all to an expert witness to give you a report on the facts, and whether in his opinion there resulted segregation from the Commissioner's ruling. Briefs have to be written on the balacing test that weighs the right for Blacks to be in a desegregated school and the right of the others kids to learn the oboe (obviously I jest, but that would be the crux of the legal analysis). When you prevail, and go through the appeals (another huge process) you end up with an order that tells the State to desegregate the school. Then the decision would HAVE to be made as to whether the other kids come back or the Asbury kids get split up and go out. 1000 to 1 odds says the political will shall be that we close Asbury and send the kids out to many schools. 1000 to 1. Lot's of money to prosecute that claim, but well worth it. I like how you are thinking there, but this would take more than the $25.00 a pop funderraising that SUFA does. Since Asbury Park's annual budget is around $80 million and I've seen them pay their lawyer as much as $750,000 in 15 months, then $500,000 in the next 12 montsh, they can afford it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Please do it. You want to help the kids? You want to go down in history as the 3 best Board members ever? You want to be civil rights heroes? File that suit. Please. All you have to do is have standing to file the suit no? If they don't can't a citizen? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Asbury Park's annual budget is around $80 million and I've seen them pay their lawyer as much as $750,000 in 15 months, then $500,000 in the next 12 montsh, they can afford it. I would switch from being their comp atty to BOE counsel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I tried. I was low bidder - by more than half. 3 other firms got interviewed - I got a rejection letter. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Since Asbury Park's annual budget is around $80 million and I've seen them pay their lawyer as much as $750,000 in 15 months, then $500,000 in the next 12 montsh, they can afford it. I would switch from being their comp atty to BOE counsel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I say, let's do it! For $18,000, you can send a kid to private school, pay for uniforms and transportation. AP, can purchase the buses and use them on weekends for seniors! I'll bet we get back, better educated kids! I'm with you, Lady! Turn the High School, into an Arts Center, Live Theatre, and let the K-8th grades, use the stadium and track ovals! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This not first time the board attorney has checked this matter. The board attorney may have that information. Yes I agree with you the state board of education should sued. They have allowed this mess to go on for far too long, yes you have been paying for students to attend Red Bank Music Art Program. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we can all thank shelia solomon for double crossing the most efficent richard mccomber, 5 to 4 vote and bringing in this long line of overpriced incompetent hacks i mean attorneys, hope shes not wearing a bug anymore, what a piece of work I tried. I was low bidder - by more than half. 3 other firms got interviewed - I got a rejection letter. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Since Asbury Park's annual budget is around $80 million and I've seen them pay their lawyer as much as $750,000 in 15 months, then $500,000 in the next 12 montsh, they can afford it. I would switch from being their comp atty to BOE counsel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calling Frank D! Calling Robert D! Calling Garrett G! frank and garrett will respond garrett is on vacation, as far as doc, sleepy, dopey, the other seven dwarfs i mean bd. members forget it, even though they read these posts they do not respond, what was that? im sorry bless you sneezy Please do it. You want to help the kids? You want to go down in history as the 3 best Board members ever? You want to be civil rights heroes? File that suit. Please. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
Actually, I feel just fine. the three posts I made during the day were while I was on my prep working at the computer on my plans for the week and my lunch. Thanks for the concern.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: tommy, your right, just read this and fifty other posts,extreme situations take unusual or even illegal actions to correct injustices. the bd. should put the state on notice we are shutting down the high school on june 30th 2007 , from that day on we will be operating an efficent preschool thru 8th grade school system , if you do not like this arrest us, yes harsh but needed reaction . as much as john says this cannot be done in 4 months , how do we know, put the bullet in the gun and pull the trigger, or else put an electronic scoreboard up counting the number of children getting screwed every day and every year till this is fixed. like the ones tracking the federal deficit or the dead overseas. john i hope you are feeling better soon, with all your posts today im assuming you must be out sick, not posting from your work site, the schools.. You make a good point Fred, which is why I advocate a Federal Civil Rights lawsuit to desegregate the schools. There is no political will on either side to tackle it. Absent some miraculous change of heart by the towns and politicians, we are going to need that Federal Court Order. I'm certain we can get it. The suit has to be filed. All we have to do is convince Frank and the Board it is worth filing. For the amount of $ we spend on the school board attorney over the past few years, this suit should have been included in the price. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Tommy even I do agree with you on some of your points. Now Sharons issues come into play because these white communities will NOT ALLOW this to happen. Maybe 25 years from now. The State could start by ending this RCA bull and make these white communities build affordable housing in there towns. I know you mean well but your R friends are no friends of AP their base of voters are from white communities and the same goes for some D's. Oak, You bring up a good point that was covered alot on Randy Bergmann's Blog. We are talking about resources. When a school has a vast majority of kids who need no special attention, then they will have plenty of resources to deal with the few kids that need attention. Now look at Asbury Park High School. Judging from the report card, 8 out of every 10 students needs extra help right now. We have our heads in the sand if we think one school can handle its problems when 8 out of 10 needs attenion. Breaking up the students to other schools, where the resources from all the schools can be used, and the amount of kids in each school being diluted, is the best way to garner those resources and help the kids. IMHO. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: and in the editorial: At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. 1. Problem is now, there is NO place to stick the troublemakers - other then to mainstream them. Like castro emptying out trouble to the us. 2. Long branch has extra capacity and so does neptune. 3.OT already has 30 plus kids per class and no place to stick the trouble makers and the high school can't handle the problems it has today. 4. Is the state going to supplement the receving schools - or are the resident taxpayers going to get stuck trying to fix waht over 1 billion didn't? 5. What is the plan over the next 5 years to ELIMINATE the misuse and abuse of the Abbott Systems. Eliminate the attorneys representing the Abbott districts and there would be over $20 million more that could gotto education instrad of defending and covering up the abuse. 6. HOw will school budgets be voted on - bussing doesn't FIX the homelife and social aspects of going home to a vacant home, a drug infested home or no home or to a gang mom either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design.
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The Abbott was a kid in Newark I believe and Burke was the Commissioner a lawsuit was filed on Abbotts behalf so yes a citizen can file a suit Please do it. You want to help the kids? You want to go down in history as the 3 best Board members ever? You want to be civil rights heroes? File that suit. Please. All you have to do is have standing to file the suit no? If they don't can't a citizen? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
