[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
I agree! Why can't the method in the Charter Schools, be used in AP schools? It's Federal money, that should be used in the public school! Not knocking anyone's choice, where to send their child, but my parents PAID my tuition, no one gave them anything and it was their choice to send me to private school! Who pays my parents back? Asbury Park, HAD a sterling reputation! You can see it by the structure of the High School. The building, itself, rivals anything on Princeton's or Monmouth's campus! What can the parents do, to get our system, back in order? Without good teaching professionals, strict discipline, order and a good administration, it's no wonder the system is in the toilet! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . My child is presently in the third grade at Hope Academy Charter and I am researching Charter and private schools at this time because when she graduates the 8th grade (5 years from now) I will not be sending her to AP public schools a,,, you and the others have made a statement. So what is the next step today and in 5 years - which will be tomorrow. Right now you have this curious little mind (not yours, your childs) who hears and sees a ton of things and has to sort them out. Luckily, she has you as a concerned parent trying to guide her along an ugly trail and to do her right. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
What about filing an Amicus Brief? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also a very very good post. Tom I think that if you ever wanted to do the one thing in your life that could truly help Asbury Park, this might be the answer. I think many would support you in this endeavor. And kinda knowing you, you would not care what the opposition thought. How much money would something like this cost to have a case like this fought and won? I know this would be just an estimate. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Oak it looks like we ended up agreeing in the end. I have no problm with choices people make. Go to private school, move to a good public district, etc. I support all of it. I do have a problem with government screwing things up by injecting themselves into it, which is what wrecked APHS - not parental choices. When buying a house, I absolutely avoided Asbury Park and the sending district because the High School is now segregated. I know that many, many other people did the same. That wasn't the case before the RBR ruling. I went to APHS with the sons of doctors, lawyers and millinaire businessmen. Yes, having that demographic was helpful to the poorer kids. That's gone thanks to the ruling. Look at real estate listings. Many of them list private schools on the listing so as not to list APHS. I laugh and cry everytime I see it. Since Avon no longer goes to APHS, their real estate has skyrocketed, now topping $1 Million on the MEDIAN house sale, and holding steady in this downturn. Everything changed when the Commissioner ruled that RBR having a better music program than Asbury Park is more important than whether a black kid goes to a segregated school. Read the decision that Mario linked. That was the ruling. It's the most bigoted, racist piece of government work I've seen in my lifetime, and it is shamelessly ignored. It's ignored because those with the political power in the area benefit from the ruling (like Avon); those without the power suffer from it (Asbury). Just imagine the classic busing issue: If a primarily white school in the area was suddenly going to be filled with poor black kids from Asbury, people would go berserk. There would be all sorts of lawsuits to stop it, with claims of government interference, social engineering, and claims that the school's natural demographic should be preserved. That ruling by the Commissioner is exactly the same thing with the colors reversed. The NATURAL DEMOGRAPHIC of APHS was racially and economically diversified, just as Ocean Township is now. The ruling destroyed that by busing the white kids past Asbury Park to another public school in Little Silver. Who is going to file the the Federal Civil Rights lawsuit claiming de facto segregation (can anyone claim that wasn't the result of the ruling with a straight face)? Are the white parents who are avoiding APHS going to do it? No. The poor black parents? I don't think so. AP Board of Ed? No, too busy gossiping and in fighting to tackle something so serious and important. If APHS was naturally segregated by race, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me. Since it is racially segregateed by the government with busing to another public school, I'm confident my objection is on the moral high ground, even if I stand alone. Standing alone though, I'm starting to feel like I don't care anymore either. The state can keep the school segregated, Asbury Park Board of Ed (Bored of Ed?) can keep taking the Abbott hush money and not challenge the segregation ruling, and none of it is going to hurt me. So why should I care? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: TD, You and I can both stop, take residence in AP, and stick our kids there. but we haven't. I'd take a gamble on those beers that Deal, Allenhurst, Belmar have LESS HS age kids eligible to go to AP. Then you have determine why those parents CHOOSE to send their kids to a private school, parochial school or to a county speciality school. IT's choice. You and I have made it as well, by choosing to live in towns other then AP with a schools that are well diversified in race and incomes - that being Howell and OT. OT and Howell are not the same as in 1996 nor in are they in our era of the late 70's either. In '75 my class (8th grade) had 3 african american students - and I can name them. In '79 I could still name a few more african american students. And I;m saying I can name them as a good thing casue we were all friends. I can say today the make-up of the the student body, at least in OT, is about as
[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
Oak it looks like we ended up agreeing in the end. I have no problm with choices people make. Go to private school, move to a good public district, etc. I support all of it. I do have a problem with government screwing things up by injecting themselves into it, which is what wrecked APHS - not parental choices. When buying a house, I absolutely avoided Asbury Park and the sending district because the High School is now segregated. I know that many, many other people did the same. That wasn't the case before the RBR ruling. I went to APHS with the sons of doctors, lawyers and millinaire businessmen. Yes, having that demographic was helpful to the poorer kids. That's gone thanks to the ruling. Look at real estate listings. Many of them list private schools on the listing so as not to list APHS. I laugh and cry everytime I see it. Since Avon no longer goes to APHS, their real estate has skyrocketed, now topping $1 Million on the MEDIAN house sale, and holding steady in this downturn. Everything changed when the Commissioner ruled that RBR having a better music program than Asbury Park is more important than whether a black kid goes to a segregated school. Read the decision that Mario linked. That was the ruling. It's the most bigoted, racist piece of government work I've seen in my lifetime, and it is shamelessly ignored. It's ignored because those with the political power in the area benefit from the ruling (like Avon); those without the power suffer from it (Asbury). Just imagine the classic busing issue: If a primarily white school in the area was suddenly going to be filled with poor black kids from Asbury, people would go berserk. There would be all sorts of lawsuits to stop it, with claims of government interference, social engineering, and claims that the school's natural demographic should be preserved. That ruling by the Commissioner is exactly the same thing with the colors reversed. The NATURAL DEMOGRAPHIC of APHS was racially and economically diversified, just as Ocean Township is now. The ruling destroyed that by busing the white kids past Asbury Park to another public school in Little Silver. Who is going to file the the Federal Civil Rights lawsuit claiming de facto segregation (can anyone claim that wasn't the result of the ruling with a straight face)? Are the white parents who are avoiding APHS going to do it? No. The poor black parents? I don't think so. AP Board of Ed? No, too busy gossiping and in fighting to tackle something so serious and important. If APHS was naturally segregated by race, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me. Since it is racially segregateed by the government with busing to another public school, I'm confident my objection is on the moral high ground, even if I stand alone. Standing alone though, I'm starting to feel like I don't care anymore either. The state can keep the school segregated, Asbury Park Board of Ed (Bored of Ed?) can keep taking the Abbott hush money and not challenge the segregation ruling, and none of it is going to hurt me. So why should I care? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TD, You and I can both stop, take residence in AP, and stick our kids there. but we haven't. I'd take a gamble on those beers that Deal, Allenhurst, Belmar have LESS HS age kids eligible to go to AP. Then you have determine why those parents CHOOSE to send their kids to a private school, parochial school or to a county speciality school. IT's choice. You and I have made it as well, by choosing to live in towns other then AP with a schools that are well diversified in race and incomes - that being Howell and OT. OT and Howell are not the same as in 1996 nor in are they in our era of the late 70's either. In '75 my class (8th grade) had 3 african american students - and I can name them. In '79 I could still name a few more african american students. And I;m saying I can name them as a good thing casue we were all friends. I can say today the make-up of the the student body, at least in OT, is about as diversified as it can be on all levels - race, incomes, family status etc. As such, in my view, the teaching methods have changed dramatically. I wish I could convince my son to go to CBA, and I'd be willing to pay. It's school. Not a playground. They'll kick your ass out as fast as they cashed your check. As for qualifying to go to a speciality school, you shouldnt have to. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
Also a very very good post. Tom I think that if you ever wanted to do the one thing in your life that could truly help Asbury Park, this might be the answer. I think many would support you in this endeavor. And kinda knowing you, you would not care what the opposition thought. How much money would something like this cost to have a case like this fought and won? I know this would be just an estimate. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oak it looks like we ended up agreeing in the end. I have no problm with choices people make. Go to private school, move to a good public district, etc. I support all of it. I do have a problem with government screwing things up by injecting themselves into it, which is what wrecked APHS - not parental choices. When buying a house, I absolutely avoided Asbury Park and the sending district because the High School is now segregated. I know that many, many other people did the same. That wasn't the case before the RBR ruling. I went to APHS with the sons of doctors, lawyers and millinaire businessmen. Yes, having that demographic was helpful to the poorer kids. That's gone thanks to the ruling. Look at real estate listings. Many of them list private schools on the listing so as not to list APHS. I laugh and cry everytime I see it. Since Avon no longer goes to APHS, their real estate has skyrocketed, now topping $1 Million on the MEDIAN house sale, and holding steady in this downturn. Everything changed when the Commissioner ruled that RBR having a better music program than Asbury Park is more important than whether a black kid goes to a segregated school. Read the decision that Mario linked. That was the ruling. It's the most bigoted, racist piece of government work I've seen in my lifetime, and it is shamelessly ignored. It's ignored because those with the political power in the area benefit from the ruling (like Avon); those without the power suffer from it (Asbury). Just imagine the classic busing issue: If a primarily white school in the area was suddenly going to be filled with poor black kids from Asbury, people would go berserk. There would be all sorts of lawsuits to stop it, with claims of government interference, social engineering, and claims that the school's natural demographic should be preserved. That ruling by the Commissioner is exactly the same thing with the colors reversed. The NATURAL DEMOGRAPHIC of APHS was racially and economically diversified, just as Ocean Township is now. The ruling destroyed that by busing the white kids past Asbury Park to another public school in Little Silver. Who is going to file the the Federal Civil Rights lawsuit claiming de facto segregation (can anyone claim that wasn't the result of the ruling with a straight face)? Are the white parents who are avoiding APHS going to do it? No. The poor black parents? I don't think so. AP Board of Ed? No, too busy gossiping and in fighting to tackle something so serious and important. If APHS was naturally segregated by race, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me. Since it is racially segregateed by the government with busing to another public school, I'm confident my objection is on the moral high ground, even if I stand alone. Standing alone though, I'm starting to feel like I don't care anymore either. The state can keep the school segregated, Asbury Park Board of Ed (Bored of Ed?) can keep taking the Abbott hush money and not challenge the segregation ruling, and none of it is going to hurt me. So why should I care? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: TD, You and I can both stop, take residence in AP, and stick our kids there. but we haven't. I'd take a gamble on those beers that Deal, Allenhurst, Belmar have LESS HS age kids eligible to go to AP. Then you have determine why those parents CHOOSE to send their kids to a private school, parochial school or to a county speciality school. IT's choice. You and I have made it as well, by choosing to live in towns other then AP with a schools that are well diversified in race and incomes - that being Howell and OT. OT and Howell are not the same as in 1996 nor in are they in our era of the late 70's either. In '75 my class (8th grade) had 3 african american students - and I can name them. In '79 I could still name a few more african american students. And I;m saying I can name them as a good thing casue we were all friends. I can say today the make-up of the the student body, at least in OT, is about as diversified as it can be on all levels - race, incomes, family status etc. As such, in my view, the teaching methods have changed dramatically. I wish I could convince my son to go to CBA, and I'd be willing to pay. It's
[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
-TD, we care because we've seen blow by for 40 years and have SOME common sense. We've lived it, seen it, heard it. Today after milllons and millons tossed around AP by the state and feds, its the private $ making the bigger difference. We want to see to money used wiesly, not stolen for those it was intended. You call it hush money or opayback or equality. Give a great CEO $100m to run a company or be creative. AP BOE has to run like a great company with a $100m budget. The output - kids educated and groomed for the future. Bring in a great leader, a visionary a proven educator. Be creative. Build a great Music program, science program - it can become the best school in the nation - or the best african american school in the nation. It could turn out doctors, lawyers, educators, scientists - you name it. Pick 1, 2 or 3 or more and excel. You like RBR or CBA - then model a program after that. It's called discipline. It might be a school where those white parents WANT to send their kids - and the kids can't get in. You got the $, now dream it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
Gentlemen I agree with you when it comes to this issue. I also agree it would be a good long drawn out trial ---the problem I have at this point is I live in AP and would not send my child to AP public schools at this time. We really need to be taking on the task of fixing the problems in the schools that we have now -getting the state out of our public schools, changing the dropout rates and pulling up the grades of our children. My child is presently in the third grade at Hope Academy Charter and I am researching Charter and private schools at this time because when she graduates the 8th grade (5 years from now) I will not be sending her to AP public schools and that is basically the concensus of parents in HACS. I have even spoken to several parents who have children in Thurgood and Bradley who would love to find a way out of sending their child to the middle or high school. So even though it is morally wrong for the commissioner to segregate the schools I don't know how many people would stand with you and fight the issue knowing the problems we have in AP schools. - Original Message From: rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:19:43 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late Also a very very good post. Tom I think that if you ever wanted to do the one thing in your life that could truly help Asbury Park, this might be the answer. I think many would support you in this endeavor. And kinda knowing you, you would not care what the opposition thought. How much money would something like this cost to have a case like this fought and won? I know this would be just an estimate. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Oak it looks like we ended up agreeing in the end. I have no problm with choices people make. Go to private school, move to a good public district, etc. I support all of it. I do have a problem with government screwing things up by injecting themselves into it, which is what wrecked APHS - not parental choices. When buying a house, I absolutely avoided Asbury Park and the sending district because the High School is now segregated. I know that many, many other people did the same. That wasn't the case before the RBR ruling. I went to APHS with the sons of doctors, lawyers and millinaire businessmen. Yes, having that demographic was helpful to the poorer kids. That's gone thanks to the ruling. Look at real estate listings. Many of them list private schools on the listing so as not to list APHS. I laugh and cry everytime I see it. Since Avon no longer goes to APHS, their real estate has skyrocketed, now topping $1 Million on the MEDIAN house sale, and holding steady in this downturn. Everything changed when the Commissioner ruled that RBR having a better music program than Asbury Park is more important than whether a black kid goes to a segregated school. Read the decision that Mario linked. That was the ruling. It's the most bigoted, racist piece of government work I've seen in my lifetime, and it is shamelessly ignored. It's ignored because those with the political power in the area benefit from the ruling (like Avon); those without the power suffer from it (Asbury). Just imagine the classic busing issue: If a primarily white school in the area was suddenly going to be filled with poor black kids from Asbury, people would go berserk. There would be all sorts of lawsuits to stop it, with claims of government interference, social engineering, and claims that the school's natural demographic should be preserved. That ruling by the Commissioner is exactly the same thing with the colors reversed. The NATURAL DEMOGRAPHIC of APHS was racially and economically diversified, just as Ocean Township is now. The ruling destroyed that by busing the white kids past Asbury Park to another public school in Little Silver. Who is going to file the the Federal Civil Rights lawsuit claiming de facto segregation (can anyone claim that wasn't the result of the ruling with a straight face)? Are the white parents who are avoiding APHS going to do it? No. The poor black parents? I don't think so. AP Board of Ed? No, too busy gossiping and in fighting to tackle something so serious and important. If APHS was naturally segregated by race, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me. Since it is racially segregateed by the government with busing to another public school, I'm confident my objection is on the moral high ground, even if I stand alone. Standing alone though, I'm starting to feel like I don't care anymore either. The state can keep the school segregated, Asbury Park Board of Ed (Bored of Ed?) can keep taking the Abbott hush money and not challenge the segregation ruling, and none of it is going to hurt me. So why
[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
. My child is presently in the third grade at Hope Academy Charter and I am researching Charter and private schools at this time because when she graduates the 8th grade (5 years from now) I will not be sending her to AP public schools a,,, you and the others have made a statement. So what is the next step today and in 5 years - which will be tomorrow. Right now you have this curious little mind (not yours, your childs) who hears and sees a ton of things and has to sort them out. Luckily, she has you as a concerned parent trying to guide her along an ugly trail and to do her right. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Research has shown that when Black middle class parents pull their children out of the school system, it is doomed to failure.? Look at the Birmingham school system.? That is exactly what is going on there.? Black middle class parents need to be reassured that their children will receive the best possible education at the existing schools.? -Original Message- From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:11 am Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late . My child is presently in the third grade at Hope Academy Charter and I am researching Charter and private schools at this time because when she graduates the 8th grade (5 years from now) I will not be sending her to AP public schools a,,, you and the others have made a statement. So what is the next step today and in 5 years - which will be tomorrow. Right now you have this curious little mind (not yours, your childs) who hears and sees a ton of things and has to sort them out. Luckily, she has you as a concerned parent trying to guide her along an ugly trail and to do her right. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Research has shown that when Black middle class parents pull their children out of the school system, it is doomed to failure.? Look at the Birmingham school system.? That is exactly what is going on there.? Black middle class parents need to be reassured that their children will receive the best possible education at the existing schools.? Good note. You can't blame it on the lack of white students. But today, we all want the best for our kids and we expect the school to provide the base 8 hours/day or longer. So we blame the school and the teachers. My daughter wants to continue coasting through the rest of her senior year and college. My son is determined in his frehsmen year to be a student and go on to Harvard Medical school (his idea..). Should I keep him in Ocean Twp...ship him off to private school...I'm going to sit tight for the next few years and hope the public school system works - and Discovery Channel, webmd and any little lab work I find him do him justice. Enjoy the holidays. Going web free for a while. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 11/21/2007 11:31:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Research has shown that when Black middle class parents pull their children out of the school system, it is doomed to failure.? Look at the Birmingham school system.? That is exactly what is going on there.? Black middle class parents need to be reassured that their children will receive the best possible education at the existing schools.? Good note. You can't blame it on the lack of white students. But today, we all want the best for our kids and we expect the school to provide the base 8 hours/day or longer. So we blame the school and the teachers. I sympathize with parents wanting the best for their children, especially since the information out there can be confusing. I don't know the answers, but the following caught my attention a while back: _Ohio Goes After Charter Schools That Are Failing - New York Times_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/us/08charter.html?hp) Ohio became a test tube for the nation’s charter school movement during a decade...when a wide-open authorization system and plenty of government seed money led to the schools’ explosive proliferation. But their record has been spotty. This year, the state’s school report card gave more than half of Ohio’s 328 charter schools a D or an F. == _http://www.nypost.com/seven/11072007/news/regionalnews/charter_schools_going_ uncharted_872824.htm_ (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11072007/news/regionalnews/charter_schools_going_uncharted_872824.htm) _Click here: Charter Schools Lag, Study Finds - washingtonpost.com_ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/22/AR2006082201030.html) _Click here: charter schools - Google News_ (http://news.google.com/news?as_q=svnum=10as_scoring=rned=tusrec=0btnG=Google+Searchas_epq=charter+scho olsas_oq=as_eq=as_drrb=qas_qdr=as_mind=9as_minm=10as_maxd=8as_maxm=11 as_nsrc=as_nloc=as_occt=any) Seems that if firemer's research is right, (Research has shown that when Black middle class parents pull their children out of the school system, it is doomed to failure. ), then we have a lose/lose situation. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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In a message dated 11/21/2007 10:16:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we care because we've seen blow by for 40 years Wow...In my experience, right on the money with 40 years, 1967. A college student who accepted a job teaching in Asbury Park was entitled to a 10% reduction on their federal college loans for each year they remained there up to 50%. Under the Higher Education Act of 1965, Asbury Park was, even then, considered a special inner-city district requiring special incentives to attract teachers. The starting salary in the late 60s, $5,200, was about 25% lower than surrounding districts. Additionally, I was hired under a separate federal grant which the BOE got at the last minute for additional English teachers to teach remedial reading to its high school students. The need was so great, and the regular English Department so overwhelmed by the non-college tract, that a separate department under a Mr. Cernanski was set up just for the remedial reading program. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
Mario and Oakdorf, I agree wholeheartedly, having gone to all Black, albeit, private school. I don't know what the core curriculum is, in the AP school system, or how it's administered. I do know that an awful lot of money is sent into the district, because of the Abbott decision, but it appears, to be going down the drain, instead of into the heads, of our most precious resource; the children! It's obscene the dollar amount being spent and for what? I don't see any physical improvements to the schools facades, to blame it on maintenance. Is it the teachers, the methods, what? It's irksome to not know! Just a guess, but my fear is that a lot of blame goes to the teachers! I've known teachers, with one book and xerox copies, teach and the kids excel! Does this mean the kids are paying attention? I also know that most schools have a breakfast program, similar to the one started in the 60's, by the Black Panthers, emphasizing that if kids, are prepared physically, they will perform better, mentally! I'll bet you, I can walk into a Black Classroom, without any books and with positive reinforcement, the kids, will remember who I am! After a week of this, I'll bet that in 6 weeks, the same kids, will remember me, for the rest of their life! I have a message and the message is, you have to decide who you want to be, white, pink or blue collar, in life. I know it isn't that simple, but if kids go to school knowing that if someone gives a damn, you'll see it, hear about it and know! Just look at AP Pop Warner, no, look at AP varsity, because the same kids were coached by the same Pop Warner Coaches. Kids perform, when taught properly. Kids do better, when they know someone, gives a damn! When you tell kids, do good in school and you can get away from a bad environment, some, not all, will take you up on it. Kids, need life coaches and if you tell a kid how great they are every day, pretty soon, that's how they become! I know, I did it, for 12 years. Not one kid dropped out of school and they ALL graduated, on time! They became teachers, doctors, lawyers, advertising executives, etc. I know; I've attended many a wedding for one of the girls, I coached and told, that no one, was better/greater/smarter/talented/beautiful/, than THEY were! People thought I owned stock in Dunkin Donuts, Kentucky Fried, Tropicana Orange and Hawaiian Punch, for my famous tail-gate parties, after my girls performed! I used positive reinforcement, a smile and lots of hugs! When kids are taught music and dance in school, it prepares them to socialize, in proper company, in a proper setting. I learned the box step and square-dancing, sing a longs, etc. and in health class, we were taught why you wash your hands before and after meals, the rest room protocols, which is why to this day, I carry a pocket package of kleenex! Little things, you never forget, in an uncivilized world! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/20/2007 7:09:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. ... AP has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to build a superior program but failed for one reason or the other. Skip the race issue. No reason a single race school can't excel. You don't need white kids to make the rest smarter. Good points. ll kids have the SAME opportunity for a HIGHER level of education/programs offered i the speciality schools which, as you pointed out, IS NOT open to all residents. You have to apply and hope your kid didn't f-up along the way. A slippery slope with that one - Doesn't M.A.S.T. also have a application procedure? Entry tests? Otherwise how do you choose? Make all the schools strict and fund more programs and enforce strict policies as to learning and discipline instead of letting kids skate along? Parent responsibility is somewhere in there I hope The issue has nothing to do with race. I It shouldn't. Unfortunately, it does. But I think our country, as a whole, has come a long way. Still a way to go. Happy Thanksgiving **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario and Oakdorf, I agree wholeheartedly, having gone to all Black, albeit, private school. Well I guess that makes it official. I can't seem to make my point sink in no matter how many times I say it. I've never argued Black kids can't learn without white kids. What I have argued is that when a school is naturlly diverse, it's wrong to have government step in and segregate it by race. If its naturally segregated, so be it. But to have the government impose racial segregation was supposedly outlawed with Brown. Unless of course you think government imposed racial sergregation has no bad effect. In that case, feel free to let the government segregate all the schools by race. In fact, lets have someone out there who thinks it is no big deal that Asbury kids have been segregated by race from government, tell me this: Why don't we go ahead and segregate public bathrooms again? I'm serious. I want one of YOU to tell me what would be wrong with that. As long as both bathrooms are available and clean, where is the harm? In fact, lines would be shorter, so that would be good. So I challange one of you to describe for me why segregating public bathrooms is bad. I'm sure at some point as you describe it, the light will go off as to why it was wrong to segregate APHS. HOWEVER - if you don't give a damn about segregated Black kids, then neither do I. Hell they're YOUR kids, not mine. I'm past it. My kids won't be hurt by what you do to the kids there in Asbury. And change the name of Thurgood Marshall school. It's a disgrace to the man to have segregationists flying his flag. And stop calling yourselves liberals. True liberals wouldn't stand for a segregated school. You guys to stand for it. So keep it. I don't care anymore. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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-Tommy, We agreed, it comes to choice. If ALL residents had the means to choose, it seems a majority might not choose AP, just like the old Irish Catholic from Belmar or Avon sent their cute girls who worked at Kohr's or Critierion years ago to St. Rose or to RBC. I don't like sending my kids to Ocean Twp. Why? I just don't think the quality is there. The control isn't there. And honestly, I'm a lazy parent other then to make sure they get out the door in the morning and respect the system and do THEIR best - not mine. I don't listen to their bs when they fail an open note, open notebook test. Why? Because I almost failed one on college that I even cheated on. Imagine my silence when one admin told you can send them to privte school of your choice...but this is a FREE education... Free. Imagine my face. I'm surprised I'm still alive. CBA is a choice for my son Unfortunately, for him he wouldn't come home with girls signing their names on his arm every day if he went there...and I would have to work even more to cover it. So I know dcotors and losers from both cba and Ot. I;ll let u know in 10-12 years. I'll convince him to open an office in AP Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Jack we are a bit late with this idea. You might recall my biggest gripe (we all have one) is how Asbury Park High School was segregated by race back in 1996. Well, they did it with Music. Isn't that ironic? You want to use music to help Asbury, and the state used it to hurt Asbury. Asbury Park's High School sending districts were from Deal down Belmar, including Interlaken, excluding Loch Arbor. That kept the school racially desegregated, and it was also the natural state of things - those were always the sending districts. 1996 was when the Commission of Education ruled that Red Bank Regional's music program so exceeded Asbury Park's, that APHS students could go to RBR for the music program instead. Nearly all of them from the sending districts did. Damn near every student that got accepted was white (not RBR's fault; that's who applied). APHS became racially segregated overnight. Well, its grown beyond our control, now. RBR's Performing Arts program is so big now (and it's a great program from what I hear) they are taking kids from all over the county. Add to that other towns have started their own. In Howell we have a concentrated performing arts program. I hear approximately 600 students apply for 23 seats. The RBR ruling by the commmissioner was a coffin nail for APHS. Only a federal civil rights lawsuit challenging the ruling based upon de facto segregation can change it. I've been singing that song for almost a decade, to everyone who ever ran for board of education in AP. They think its worth following up on when they are running for office. They forget it after election day. No one's listening. No one cares. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuff like this illustrates the idea that Asbury Park could really capitalize on developing it's reputation as a breeding ground for great music and musicians, as well as showcasing our musical history, and bringing more clubs on line to expand both the types of music one can go to hear live, as well as giving bands, both local and and national new and exciting places to play. Asbury Park could literally become one big School of Rock, very similar to Austin TX and Seattle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 11/20/2007 4:59:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You might recall my biggest gripe (we all have one) is how Asbury Park High School was segregated by race back in 1996. As I recall, the biggest step to virtual segregation was back in the 60's when OTHS opened. I taught there shortly after, and the system was still reeling from the racial imbalance created then. The 1996 decision about Red Bank's music program caused problems for all local school districts, white suburban ones included, who had discontinued or severely cut back on their music programs. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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The opening of OTHS was certainly a big blow to Asbury, but it was self imposed. They asked for one seat on the Board of Ed because they had as many students in APHS as we did. In the worst decision ever made by AP, the Board of Ed turned OT down. So they built their own high school. I have no qualms with that. That's their right. Asbury still had enough white students for the school to be desegregated, and that was the natural state of things. The decision regarding RBR had minimal impact on other school districts. They primarly took from Asbury's sending districts, and they took all the white kids. That wasn't replicated in any other school. But like I said, no one cares. Folks will just continue to minimize it. I'm starting to care less too. 10 years of being the only one to see it and complain about it gets pretty frustrating. If the people it is happending to don't care, why should I? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 11/20/2007 5:41:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The decision regarding RBR had minimal impact on other school districts. Not so minimal if you worked, as I did, at one of the schools which lost students to RBR during the 1990's declining enrollment period. The additional loss of students who wanted an enriched arts program had a ripple effect across the curriculum: budgets, staffing, loss of other elective programs, RIFs, et al. It may not have been a racial imbalance problem, but it wasn't minimal. Unintended consequences: Can't blame parents who wanted full arts instruction, or RBR for taking the lead, going against the grain by upgrading their program rather than cutting it. In the worst decision ever made by AP, the Board of Ed turned OT down. So they built their own high school. That could be. But I suspect that OT would have eventually built their own school anyway. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may not have been a racial imbalance problem, but it wasn't minimal. It was extremely minimal. The effect the ruling had on other schools was the dictionary definition of what is minimal. Go look at a before and after year book at Monmouth Regional, and one from Asbury Park. Monouth Regional's changes don't even show. Asbury Park's changes are incredible. One whole race has been excised from the school. You can't even compare the two. Not going to get inot some back and forth with you, because the issue is too important to subject it to that. Unintended consequences: Can't blame parents who wanted full arts instruction, or RBR for taking the lead, going against the grain by upgrading their program rather than cutting it. I made this point in the line: We're a bit late. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 11/20/2007 6:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was extremely minimal. I worked at a school where it wasn't minimal to any of us. Not going to get inot some back and forth with you, because the issue is too important to subject it to that. I'm not interested in any back and forth with you either. So we agree to disagree. Not sure what the issue is. But I don't need a yearbook. I taught at APHS when the racial imbalance had a profound influence, and I taught at a regional district where the impact of RBR's arts programs was the subject of too many excruciatingly long board, parents, and faculty meetings: Instruction suffered at both. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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Go look at a before and after year book at Monmouth Regional, and one from Asbury Park. Monouth Regional's changes don't even show. Asbury Park's changes are incredible. One whole race has been excised from the school. You can't even compare the two. Dan, how about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. Deal can't even maintain their own k-8 school let alone send to AP. They basically have no studdent population - same for Allenhurst and last Loch Arbor (OT), Now you know Belmar almost always sent to St. Rose, Allenhurst to RBC, Itnerlaken wither RBC or St Rose since most of these towns were either Irish Cath or Italian or a good mix of the 2. AP has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to build a superior program but failed for one reason or the other. Skip the race issue. No reason a single race school can't excel. You don't need white kids to make the rest smarter. What the REAL problem is in Monmouth County as a whole is that the quality of education overall has diminshed (my opinion). At least in OT. Why can't all kids have the SAME opportunity for a HIGHER level of education/programs offered i the speciality schools which, as you pointed out, IS NOT open to all residents. You have to apply and hope your kid didn't f-up along the way. Make all the schools strict and fund more programs and enforce strict policies as to learning and discipline instead of letting kids skate along? The issue has nothing to do with race. I Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Go complain to the Katrina victims that your basement once flooded after it rained. That's about what you are doing now by comparing the complete excision of the white race from APHS to a couple of late board of education meetings over parental anxiety at Monmouth Regional. It's exactly thinking like that which hides the severity of what the kids in Asbury Park are going through because of that decision - racial segregation. Of course you live there and I don't, so if nothing continues to get done about it, it's not my kids that suffer, its yours. So go ahead and think what you want about it. Why should I care? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/20/2007 6:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was extremely minimal. I worked at a school where it wasn't minimal to any of us. Not going to get inot some back and forth with you, because the issue is too important to subject it to that. I'm not interested in any back and forth with you either. So we agree to disagree. Not sure what the issue is. But I don't need a yearbook. I taught at APHS when the racial imbalance had a profound influence, and I taught at a regional district where the impact of RBR's arts programs was the subject of too many excruciatingly long board, parents, and faculty meetings: Instruction suffered at both. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=aoltop000301) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I meant tommy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go look at a before and after year book at Monmouth Regional, and one from Asbury Park. Monouth Regional's changes don't even show. Asbury Park's changes are incredible. One whole race has been excised from the school. You can't even compare the two. Dan, how about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. Deal can't even maintain their own k-8 school let alone send to AP. They basically have no studdent population - same for Allenhurst and last Loch Arbor (OT), Now you know Belmar almost always sent to St. Rose, Allenhurst to RBC, Itnerlaken wither RBC or St Rose since most of these towns were either Irish Cath or Italian or a good mix of the 2. AP has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to build a superior program but failed for one reason or the other. Skip the race issue. No reason a single race school can't excel. You don't need white kids to make the rest smarter. What the REAL problem is in Monmouth County as a whole is that the quality of education overall has diminshed (my opinion). At least in OT. Why can't all kids have the SAME opportunity for a HIGHER level of education/programs offered i the speciality schools which, as you pointed out, IS NOT open to all residents. You have to apply and hope your kid didn't f-up along the way. Make all the schools strict and fund more programs and enforce strict policies as to learning and discipline instead of letting kids skate along? The issue has nothing to do with race. I Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 11/20/2007 7:16:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go complain to the Katrina victims that your basement once flooded after it rained. That's about what you are doing now by comparing the complete excision of the white race from APHS You're missing my point with that insidious analogy. The '96 decision to allow students from other districts to attend RBR _http://www.state.nj.us/education/legal/sboe/1997/asbpk.pdf_ (http://www.state.nj.us/education/legal/sboe/1997/asbpk.pdf)was not the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back in AP. to a couple of late board of education meetings over parental anxiety at Monmouth Regional. It wasn't Monmouth Regional. And it wasn't parental anxiety. For the BOE, It was tuition money that went to RBR; for the staff, loss of other elective programs and jobs; for angry parents, why we didn't offer enhanced programs regardless of cost (as opposed to taxpayers without school-age children). It's exactly thinking like that which hides the severity of what the kids in Asbury Park are going through because of that decision - racial segregation. Of course you live there and I don't, so if nothing continues to get done about it, it's not my kids that suffer, its yours. So go ahead and think what you want about it. Why should I care? If you're trying to label me as insensitive to racial issues, you're way off base. Quite the opposite. To put it bluntly, I believe white flight, which started way before that RBR decision, caused many of our problems here. Your issue is an oversimplification. I had maybe two or three whites in my classes at APHS way before 1996. And I've never regretted not having fled from Asbury Park. So let's just agree that Asbury Park's schools need a dedicated BOE, administration, and faculty, and look forward to support those who fit that bill. Happy Thanksgiving **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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In a message dated 11/20/2007 7:09:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. ... AP has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to build a superior program but failed for one reason or the other. Skip the race issue. No reason a single race school can't excel. You don't need white kids to make the rest smarter. Good points. ll kids have the SAME opportunity for a HIGHER level of education/programs offered i the speciality schools which, as you pointed out, IS NOT open to all residents. You have to apply and hope your kid didn't f-up along the way. A slippery slope with that one - Doesn't M.A.S.T. also have a application procedure? Entry tests? Otherwise how do you choose? Make all the schools strict and fund more programs and enforce strict policies as to learning and discipline instead of letting kids skate along? Parent responsibility is somewhere in there I hope The issue has nothing to do with race. I It shouldn't. Unfortunately, it does. But I think our country, as a whole, has come a long way. Still a way to go. Happy Thanksgiving **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, how about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. Deal can't even maintain their own k-8 school let alone send to AP. They basically have no studdent population - same for Allenhurst and last Loch Arbor (OT), Now you know Belmar almost always sent to St. Rose, Allenhurst to RBC, Itnerlaken wither RBC or St Rose since most of these towns were either Irish Cath or Italian or a good mix of the 2. It's your point, so how about you analyze it? If you are going to suggest to me that the sending districts have less high school aged students now than in 1996, I'm calling shenanigans. Show me that I'm wrong. Your points about the various towns are wrong. There were plenty of students from each of those towns when I went to APHS and later when I taught there. Like I said - go check the yearbooks. You will see the few years before this ruling, when RBR started the program, a great drop off of white students, and then a full scale vanishing afterward. AP has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to build a superior program but failed for one reason or the other. $1 bilion? I don't think your number is right. Abbott funding is 10 years old. We got $56 million last year. I don't think we got $1 Billion over 10 years. But I'm no expert. Could be wrong. Show me. I've seen you complain of AP's Abbott money before. I think the funding formula is bad too. However: In the 50 years before Abbott funding, when the Feds made us house the poor here in Federal Housing, and sent us barely anything in education money, Asbury Park lost millions upon millions of dollars for 50 years. In that whole 50 years, I don't recall anyone from Asbury turning to the folks in Ocean and demanding that they kick in for Asbury handling a federal problem. Yet you sure do complain alot now that your on the losing side of the money. If you want to blame Abbott funding, I'm with you. Blame Asbury? Forget it. Everyone still owes us for that 50 years. Skip the race issue. Thankfully Thurgood Marshall thought differently. He didn't skip the race issue. See Brown v Board of Education. No reason a single race school can't excel. Agreed, but since Asbury Park High School was not naturally a single race school, why bus the white kids out and make it an unnatural single race school? You don't need white kids to make the rest smarter. Agreed again, but what of the benefits of diversity, both racial and economic? Have those concepts been abandoned? Well, as evidenced by that ruling that 10 years worth of AP Board of Education members have been too stupid to challange, apparantly so. Very much so have those ideas been abandoned in Asbury Park. Also, liberal activists of yesteryear would never have sat still and let a state sponsored segregation of a school stand. Today's liberal activists care more for trees and polar bears than people, as RFK and MLK turn in their respective graves. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late
TD, You and I can both stop, take residence in AP, and stick our kids there. but we haven't. I'd take a gamble on those beers that Deal, Allenhurst, Belmar have LESS HS age kids eligible to go to AP. Then you have determine why those parents CHOOSE to send their kids to a private school, parochial school or to a county speciality school. IT's choice. You and I have made it as well, by choosing to live in towns other then AP with a schools that are well diversified in race and incomes - that being Howell and OT. OT and Howell are not the same as in 1996 nor in are they in our era of the late 70's either. In '75 my class (8th grade) had 3 african american students - and I can name them. In '79 I could still name a few more african american students. And I;m saying I can name them as a good thing casue we were all friends. I can say today the make-up of the the student body, at least in OT, is about as diversified as it can be on all levels - race, incomes, family status etc. As such, in my view, the teaching methods have changed dramatically. I wish I could convince my son to go to CBA, and I'd be willing to pay. It's school. Not a playground. They'll kick your ass out as fast as they cashed your check. As for qualifying to go to a speciality school, you shouldnt have to. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
