Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park High's football team
The team is OFFICIALLY a CNJ Group 1 dynasty I didn't miss a home game this year, got to 1 away game. I have watched their games since they won the first one with Coach Don, and I didn't think this years team would do it, but man did they look crisp against a good Florence team Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: mkdown13 mkdow...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:19:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park High's football team My lasy sentence was cut off..it should have read Our city can be proud of kids like Corey who turned it aound in the classroom and made a difference on the field. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mkdown13 mkdown13@... wrote: Just wanted to put this out there for the AP Group I think we all agree that Asbury Park is a city in transition and that many improvements are needed on a number of fronts. But some times we get so focused on which restaurants are opening and closing, crime, the parking issues, the city government, etc, that we miss little news stories that highlight some of the good things that happen in town. On Saturday, Asbury Park High's football team beat Florence 42-18 to win the Group 1 championship our team may be smaller than most others it plays against and usually outnumbered, but the heart, soul, and passion of this team is incredible (it was especially touching to see the kids holding up the photo of John Key their coach who was killed earlier this season out of love and respect for someone who tried to make a difference with these kids). Our city can be proud of kids like Corey who turned it around in the classroom and made a difference on the field. http://www.app.com/article/20111203/NJSPORTS0110/312030047/Goodson-makes-up-missed-time [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves
One measure we, (as the potential victims) can take is to make sure we write down the bikes serial numbers I have all of my bikes serial numbers along with corresponding pictures of them as well I would never leave a bike locked up outside of a fence on your property, 2 of ours were locked up to our deck prior to having our fence put up, we came home to find a cut lock and no bikes The police keep great records of bikes reported stolen, and its a THICK book The one thing I will say, is if you see a kid riding your stolen bike, they will give it back quickly if you approach them Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:17:25 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves Yeah, I had parts stolen off my bike a few years ago. Last night, a neighbor of mine who constantly makes the mistake of locking her bike to a telephone pole also had her front wheel stolen, and it's her only transportation. What can be done about this? Obviously parents aren't wondering where their kids are getting all of their bikes and bike parts. Maybe the city should require everybody to register their bikes, just like they do with dog licenses. If a kid is caught riding a bike without a sticker, impound it. If it's found to be stolen, arrest the little shit heads. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Huge problem right now? That's what they told me 3yrs ago when I had 3bikes stolen in 8days (recovered 2 of the 3, one bike the following day in front of my house, and my vintage rat rod 5 MONTHS LATER) A teacher in APHS who lives down the street from, has told us on several occasions these kids consider any bike in AP theirs. She also told us 90% of the bikes we see these kids on are stolen I have had a kid tell me to my face while on my vintage 1970 ross apollo that he was gonna take that shit right from me Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:05:48 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park bicycle thieves Last night at 7 pm I surprised a would be bicycle thief who was in the process of trying to steal my bicycle seat/seat post. This happened in broad daylight. I was leaving my apt with my dog when this little shit heard us coming down the stairs, and I saw him with his hands on my bike. He ran away before I could see his face, but I did see him join a group of three other kids on BMX bikes, and they all sped away. I called the APPD and they confirmed that this is a huge problem in AP right now. That being said, be vigilant about anything you leave outside of your homes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves
You basically hit the nail on the head The parenting in our city (or lack thereof) I truly believe is the root cause of many many social problems in AP, from education in schools to crime and everything in between Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:54:53 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves Doesn't it all come back to inattentive parenting? If you kid has 10 bikes in their backyard and you don't question you child about it, then something is wrong. I see boys riding girls bikes and big kids riding bikes that are way to small for them all the time. One time when I was working at Second Life Bikes, and kid came in with a bike freshly painted with black spray paint. I asked him where he got it. He said it was sitting on the curb, so he just took it. I told him that a spray painted bike is a tell-tale sign of it being stolen. He acted nervous and would not look me in the eye. Repeat that over and over in our city. Parents are casting a blind eye to their kids unlawful behavior. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: One measure we, (as the potential victims) can take is to make sure we write down the bikes serial numbers I have all of my bikes serial numbers along with corresponding pictures of them as well I would never leave a bike locked up outside of a fence on your property, 2 of ours were locked up to our deck prior to having our fence put up, we came home to find a cut lock and no bikes The police keep great records of bikes reported stolen, and its a THICK book The one thing I will say, is if you see a kid riding your stolen bike, they will give it back quickly if you approach them Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:17:25 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves Yeah, I had parts stolen off my bike a few years ago. Last night, a neighbor of mine who constantly makes the mistake of locking her bike to a telephone pole also had her front wheel stolen, and it's her only transportation. What can be done about this? Obviously parents aren't wondering where their kids are getting all of their bikes and bike parts. Maybe the city should require everybody to register their bikes, just like they do with dog licenses. If a kid is caught riding a bike without a sticker, impound it. If it's found to be stolen, arrest the little shit heads. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Huge problem right now? That's what they told me 3yrs ago when I had 3bikes stolen in 8days (recovered 2 of the 3, one bike the following day in front of my house, and my vintage rat rod 5 MONTHS LATER) A teacher in APHS who lives down the street from, has told us on several occasions these kids consider any bike in AP theirs. She also told us 90% of the bikes we see these kids on are stolen I have had a kid tell me to my face while on my vintage 1970 ross apollo that he was gonna take that shit right from me Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:05:48 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park bicycle thieves Last night at 7 pm I surprised a would be bicycle thief who was in the process of trying to steal my bicycle seat/seat post. This happened in broad daylight. I was leaving my apt with my dog when this little shit heard us coming down the stairs, and I saw him with his hands on my bike. He ran away before I could see his face, but I did see him join a group of three other kids on BMX bikes, and they all sped away. I called the APPD and they confirmed that this is a huge problem in AP right now. That being said, be vigilant about anything you leave outside of your homes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
And can't a manufacturer/merchant call his product what he wants to call them? On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote: But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just because they like them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to just call them Holiday trees, wreaths, and garlands If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I doubt that people who are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus when they are surrounded by decorations. Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in his name. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands and and and move over tommy. What would a johnson know about hanukkah... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
They do all the time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah_bush On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:05 PM, justifiedright wrote: Yes - Christmas Trees. You see, Christmas is also a cultural part of America. A recognized federal holiday. Many Jews who are proud of their American Culture take part fully in the American tradition of Christmas, without the religious part of the celebration. They wouldn't dream of casting an insult by changing the name of Christmas. Better to be inclusive and be part of the American holiday. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just because they like them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to just call them Holiday trees, wreaths, and garlands If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I doubt that people who are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus when they are surrounded by decorations. Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in his name. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands and and and move over tommy. What would a johnson know about hanukkah... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
I don't think it's wrong to be critical of the way the system was implemented.This is a system, which people have shown quite a bit of confusion in using - one that had at least one local town (Belmar) eliminate the system for that very reason. The meters also run a good 5 hours longer than any of the nearby towns. I think those two points are definitely worth discussing and debating. dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True I don't get that. The city buys these units and then MM opens free lots. The city should explain to us tax payers The lots will not be free but MM cannot charge to park there until they recieve COs. The city asked MM to open them up free in the interim to help the parking situation. Some of you are too critical even when the city tries to do something good. Damend ifyou do and damned if you don't. The parking meters are good for this city. The implementation was not perfect. People hate change. They will learn to use the system. Parking is never free. There is always a cost. Time for people to grow up. Its not your uncle's AP anymore. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
Belmar actually tried a parking meter system like that a year or two but removed it in favor of the old system of one meter per space because too many people complained about not understanding where they should be paying for their spot. New signs would definitely be helpful as there are areas where you really have to look quite a distance to find the machine to pay. Jack Pitzer wrote: To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but they are confused by the new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning curve. Also, why pay when you can park in the new lot's that MM built which aren't being monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the SP and by the Casino. Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it. This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise positive summer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better than a speed trap, huh? I get it, don't you? Greetings From Asbury Park! Park here and get an instant discount of $26.00! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations BY NANCY SHIELDS • COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU • AUGUST 30, 2008 ASBURY PARK — City officials Friday said they will order and post larger signs — perhaps 12 by 18 inches — directing people to the new beachfront pay stations at each intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot they parked in. Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park began enforcing metered parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for not paying to park is $26. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
This system works in NY. However there are a few signs per block that give direction. If so many tickets are. Being issued then the problem is how the city launched this Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:00:11 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets Belmar actually tried a parking meter system like that a year or two but removed it in favor of the old system of one meter per space because too many people complained about not understanding where they should be paying for their spot. New signs would definitely be helpful as there are areas where you really have to look quite a distance to find the machine to pay. Jack Pitzer wrote: To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but they are confused by the new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning curve. Also, why pay when you can park in the new lot's that MM built which aren't being monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the SP and by the Casino. Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it. This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise positive summer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better than a speed trap, huh? I get it, don't you? Greetings From Asbury Park! Park here and get an instant discount of $26.00! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations BY NANCY SHIELDS • COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU • AUGUST 30, 2008 ASBURY PARK — City officials Friday said they will order and post larger signs — perhaps 12 by 18 inches — directing people to the new beachfront pay stations at each intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot they parked in. Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park began enforcing metered parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for not paying to park is $26. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
True I don't get that. The city buys these units and then MM opens free lots. The city should explain to us tax payers Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:14:20 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets The city failed with this parking system on so many different levels. First off, they should've waited till next summer, or until more of the renovation is complete. Secondly, it's confusing people left and right. And if you park too far away from the machines, and don't know that you have to pay to park, and didn't note the space number, you have to walk all the way back to your car. Strike 2. Finally, there is no communication between the city and MM, because MM has free lots at the SP, Casino and the Wonder Bar. People seems to be parking in those, rather then use the pay spaces. I'd do the same thing. Nobody is watching those lots. This is already generating lots of brand new bad publicity for our city. It should. If you get a $26 ticket because the system is confusing, you are gonna tell all your friends about it. I think the city should cancel all of those tickets that were issued and fix things. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This system works in NY. However there are a few signs per block that give direction. If so many tickets are. Being issued then the problem is how the city launched this Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:00:11 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets Belmar actually tried a parking meter system like that a year or two but removed it in favor of the old system of one meter per space because too many people complained about not understanding where they should be paying for their spot. New signs would definitely be helpful as there are areas where you really have to look quite a distance to find the machine to pay. Jack Pitzer wrote: To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but they are confused by the new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning curve. Also, why pay when you can park in the new lot's that MM built which aren't being monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the SP and by the Casino. Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it. This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise positive summer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: Better than a speed trap, huh? I get it, don't you? Greetings From Asbury Park! Park here and get an instant discount of $26.00! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations BY NANCY SHIELDS � COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU � AUGUST 30, 2008 ASBURY PARK � City officials Friday said they will order and post larger signs � perhaps 12 by 18 inches � directing people to the new beachfront pay stations at each intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot they parked in. Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park began enforcing metered parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for not paying to park is $26. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE
In a message dated 7/14/2008 9:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surprised MM hasn't put in SOH = standard operating hours. I would. I did it when I was there - regardless of weather i the summer. SOH are S.O.P. even at Collingwood Flea Market. **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE
In a message dated 7/14/2008 9:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surprised MM hasn't put in SOH = standard operating hours. Coincidentally, I ran into two out-of-town friends around 6 tonight. The were on Sunset, headed to the boardwalk. When I mentioned the crods and parking situation this past weekend, they were skeptical because they work weekends and can only do the boards on week nights. Based on your report of the closed shops tonight, I doubt they'll be any less skeptical. Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Michelangelo **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards
I'll go out on a limb here - the STUPIDEST thing MM can do is to NOT put the (a) carousel back in the Casino. I hope they do put it back. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards
I predict that the Casino Carousel House will be turned into a food court...a replica (wink,wink) of the one at Monmouth Mall. (Hey isn't that one supposed to be an interpretation of the 'Real' Casino Carousel House right here in AP ???) I think the boardwalk idea at Monmouth mall was based off of AP. There intended to be a carousel in the center food court area. accross from what is now Old Navy? You can see the round shape on the floor, and the circular support system above it. It was designed for it... but i think time showed it would be a waste to add it. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards
I'd like to see a carousel in the Corousel House again, but i don't think its possable at this point. Look at the direction the boardwalk is going in I don't think it would fit in with the stuff planned for the boardwalk. Times can change though, who knows! I doubt it though... I was sitting behind members of MM at a previous counsil meeting. A frequent towns person wondered over and began asking questions about amusments and other boardwalk attractions (like the water park he had heard of as being part of MM's plan). Their answer to his questions was no.. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards
You need a reason, other then for a sit down $30 pp affair. Not that people won't come for that buttake a look at a carnival trailer midway with cotton candy, popcorn and soda. Bring me the $. That and a ride like a carousel next to it. I see your point about the Freehold Mall... But i guess Monmouth Mall didn't see as a draw or people, otherwise why would have wente through and built it. They've had quite a few years between now and when the boardwalk additions were added on. Ah, who knows! Carnival rides, cotton candy, and others are good attractions. However, it's kind of obvious that isn't the image the boardwalk is going for. Like it or hate it, that appears to be what's going on! - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards
I have the feeling MM is not planning to cater to a boardwalk filled with children. When they first showed their plans in City Council there was nothing for children except a candy store with walls of candy. They did not mention the water park that was proposed in the app. MM in my opinion is gearing the boardwalk to the people they will need to fill the Condos that will be built on Ocean Ave. The Condos being built are for couples with no children. Exactly. I wish it were different. Do you really picture a boardwalk filled teens and screaming kids, while there are million dollar condos only feet away on the other side of Ocean ave? I highly doubt it. But again, we will have to wait and see what happens. As the post up top mentions, MM didn't mention anything about a water park really. They said they had ideas for it, but i'm guessing it's nothing major or else they would have had it ready. Maybe it wasn't mentioned beasue it's not part of the summer 08'? - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards
These are just thoughts, i have no idea if they're true. Maybe the freehold mall has their double decker carousel becasue they can afford it? Does the Freehold Mall bring in a large profit? From the area, and the percentage of high end stores, i'm guesing yes. It may have been an attraction, something done becasue they could afford to do it. Weather it makes money or it doesn't, it brings in people. But that could only have been done becasue the mall in general brings in enough extra money. Maybe Monmouth doesn't do well enough to spend on such an attraction. One that may not give back much. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park couple jailed, accused of having drugs, porn...
In a message dated 1/19/2008 8:29:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FleurDeLis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These so-called parents, should have sought help, for themselves! The vicious cycle of adults, using drugs in front of kids, is the height of irresponsibility! Instead of treatment, they'll probably get jail time. Doubt it. IUnless it's not their first offense. Even then, there is plenty of help offered in M County. My sis works for the PTI program (Pre trial intervention)My sis works for the PTI program ( etc - unemployed, the doctors, teachers, moms and dads , single parents and more. So lets stop thinking about how unfair the system is and more so what someone is doing I didn't read that post primarily as a knock on the system as much as a plea for responsible parenting. I agree that NJ's system is better than many states in services offered. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park couple jailed, accused of having drugs, porn...
In a message dated 1/18/2008 8:53:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Starting to smarten up and know it's probably not us if AP is not part of the link You make one group the repository of your bad feelings. Its not you its them. Readers feel better knowing that ALL the bad is here. What happens in AP stays in AP. Or so they want to believe. I wonder what the statistics are for the crimes in AP committed by non-AP residents. I'm guessing that it's no small number. Today's example _Five-agency probe leads to arrest_ (http://cl.exct.net/?ju=fe29157472600079761679ls=fdfe107277650d7976147774m=ff071671756500l=febf1079 71670d7es=fe1d1c787666007f701d79jb=ffcf14t=) AP not in headline on web site, so I guessed it was not here. I was right. Only after clicking did I see FREEHOLD — A joint investigation by five law enforcement agencies led to the arrest of a borough man Friday night.Robert Zybura, 29, was charged with operating a facility for the sale of stolen motorcycle parts, possession of explosives and possession of narcotics with intent to distributea search warrant at Zybura's Monmouth Avenue residence that turned up drugs, stolen vehicle parts and dynamite, police said. Maybe Freehold's Chamber of Commerce is more aggressive or has more influence at the AP Press. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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In a message dated 1/18/2008 4:20:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, it's ridiculous. This literally could have happened anywhere, and if it did happen in another town the headline would have simply read Couple jailed, accused of having drugs, porn around children. The fact that they are from AP is irrevelant in this case. They are inconsistent on this. I have the Monmouth headlines emailed to me and, as in the examples below, don't know what town it is unless I click through each one. Starting to smarten up and know it's probably not us if AP is not part of the link Man convicted in Internet sex sting 2 arrested in June 10 vandalism incidents Cheer program comes under scrutiny 2 men held believed to be car burglars **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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In a message dated 1/11/2008 11:04:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not heard Italian spoken in my family in 20+ years. I miss it so much that I just began taking lessons in Manhattan one night a week. It's much tougher when you are older. I miss it too. My high school required Latin and French in the cp track. Latin remains the most useful oddly enough. Foreign language instruction back then was mostly text based instead of speaking ability. And because I'm fascinated by the sound of Yiddish, I probably know more Yiddish expressions than Italian. I've been tempted by Rosetta Stone lessons in Italian. They're touted as #1 among corporate in-service programs. Anyone have any experience with them. Price sounds steep, but could be because it's an effective program America is what it is because of immigrants and their semi-assimilation. That never changed. Very cool concept: semi-assimilation. So I'm off to buy from Geraldine at Nino's. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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In a message dated 1/11/2008 11:13:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My response to Joey Vento - Stronzata! Add to the list of Disgraziato: Angelo Mozilo, son of a Bronx butcher, CEO of Countrywide, who has a half billion exit package, leaving behind livid stockholders. And to the list of Mamalukes: On the local scene, Alan Moretti, aka Monmouth Rastaman, now BustedMan. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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In a message dated 1/10/2008 12:06:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know of a few Italian people who struggle with English. I'd like to hear somebody tell them English only. My father came here after WW I and spoke badly broken English until he died at age 90, nearly 70 years later. He and many of his generation of immigrants preferred to live in Italian enclaves and speak Italian among themselves; yet he worked hard to put me through college where I chose to become an English teacher. And so Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's words last night hit home: “It’s a story that’s told in many versions, but mine is, ‘What is the difference between a bookkeeper in New York’s garment district and a US Supreme Court Justice?’ One generation.” The Jewish Americans, Part I, currently on PBS. _The Jewish Americans | PBS_ (http://www.pbs.org/jewishamericans/?campaign=pbshomefeatures_2_thejewishamericans_2008-01-10) I'd like to think the same is true today. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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I was raised in an Italian immigrant neighborhood in Boston and I don't remember anyone telling me I had to learn Italian. Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/10/2008 12:06:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know of a few Italian people who struggle with English. I'd like to hear somebody tell them English only. My father came here after WW I and spoke badly broken English until he died at age 90, nearly 70 years later. He and many of his generation of immigrants preferred to live in Italian enclaves and speak Italian among themselves; yet he worked hard to put me through college where I chose to become an English teacher. And so Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's words last night hit home: âItâs a story thatâs told in many versions, but mine is, âWhat is the difference between a bookkeeper in New Yorkâs garment district and a US Supreme Court Justice?â One generation.â The Jewish Americans, Part I, currently on PBS. The Jewish Americans | PBS I'd like to think the same is true today. - Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Jam
In a message dated 11/8/2007 7:54:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mario, Are you suggesting a Jam with salt water taffy in it? Just about anything is possible from a manufacturing standpoint.. any Well, you did a nice job with that grape seed basting oil - you recommended, I bought, I liked. I'd recommend strawberry / rhubarb, but no one in the world except me likes that combo. Anything with Asbury Park, Greetings from, Salt Water, should be marketable. Geez, I remember seeing on eBay, offerings of Asbury Park Sand for sale when Bruce did his Rising thing on NBC's Today Show. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 10/17/2007 11:33:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: this Mario blout should have not brought up the dead story long buried. To my postings about constitutional law, RLUIPA, threats of litigation, and JSRM, I was asked about my sex life. I responded with I was never arrested. Were you? It could have ended there. But the taunts kept coming for proof, otherwise I was guilty of defaming. KB dug his own holy hole deeper, and I have no compunction about referring to matters of public record to deflect the old defamation of character charge. For those interested, you'll have to read all relevant posts and threads before making judgment. === Also the only mention of gay on 10/16 came from Dan S in a reposting from the gayrecluse.com at 4:21: On Those Who Live in a Gentrified Neighborhood and Like To Hold Forth on the Perils of Gentrification Did KB not read the from line when he asked his irrelevant question of me an hour later at 4:28? A more careful read could have avoided these convoluted threads. = Also, just wondering why Irish Joe is posting from jerseykev's account. Forget to switch accounts, KB? Is blout an Irish slang term, or just another KB spelling error. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park - The focus of this group
Re: too many non AP issues it may lose its influence. As long as there is room for the occasional exception -- like your and Allan's recommendation for the grapeseed oil at Wegmans. I always wondered what its advantage was was until I learned here about the smoke point etc We'll need a moderator as wise as Solomon. In a message dated 9/14/2007 12:38:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agreeit is tough to find enough time in the day to look at the AP group website.and to sift through posts that have nothing to do with AP is a waste of time for people who are interested in discussions related to the community. I especially like the point at the bottom of Hinge's e-mail about how influential the group has proven to be and about who is obvioulsy viewing the board.if the board gets bogged down with too many non AP issues it may lose its influence. John ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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I think the problem is that the war and religion are very sensitive issues to people and our country has really become much more divided about things than at any time in recent memory. On Sep 14, 2007, at 1:43 PM, nobepeymay wrote: I agree..in my opinion even if the threads are 75% AP park related that would be great but once you start see see 75% of the topics and posts in the other direction that is when I feel the board is not serving AP as well as it may be. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: too many non AP issues it may lose its influence. As long as there is room for the occasional exception -- like your and Allan's recommendation for the grapeseed oil at Wegmans. I always wondered what its advantage was was until I learned here about the smoke point etc We'll need a moderator as wise as Solomon. In a message dated 9/14/2007 12:38:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agreeit is tough to find enough time in the day to look at the AP group website.and to sift through posts that have nothing to do with AP is a waste of time for people who are interested in discussions related to the community. I especially like the point at the bottom of Hinge's e-mail about how influential the group has proven to be and about who is obvioulsy viewing the board.if the board gets bogged down with too many non AP issues it may lose its influence. John ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/14/2007 3:04:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is 'Asbury related should stretch pretty far though. For instance Dan the Man and Oak post a great deal about real estate happenings in other parts of the country. I look forward to those; they're very helpful. They aren't exactly, perfectly, about AP, but I thinkg it helps us in AP know more about what we should or shouldn't do with our properties to know what is happening out there. I'm sure there are other examples. Membership limited to AP residents, AP businesses, person with business or web sites related to promoting AP, etc. should cover both DanS, who owns property here, and Oak's sites are AP related. Then the exception for anyone who is sponsored by a member. I found those requirements at other moderated groups who don't permit no profile/anonymous posters and who ban those who don't adhere to the quidelines on their homepages. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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It's falling apart, but it's also a way of cutting losses early on rather than have abandoned structures. This is also a warning to Asbury about having so many different condo villages spring up at the same time during a bad market. Yet again a reason for Asbury to not get rid of businesses like the Wonder Bar until others are ready and being used. We don't need more abandoned condos. On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:52 AM, asburycouple wrote: Point taken... How about that Belmar redevelopment agreement falling apart?
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If anyone sees him please tell him he's always welcome to stop by the Twisted Tree on Sunday. (who knows, he did show up at a tribute to him in NYC) On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Hinge wrote: Speaking of Bruce, isn't he slated to be rehearsing at Convention Hall this evening? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start.
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Hope to see ya there Tommy! Some of the artists that will be covering Bruce Springsteen include: Janey Todd, Jon Caspi, Keith Monacchio, James Dalton, Hesh, DC Fisher, George Wirth, Pat Roddy, Michael Brett, Mike June, Maybe Pete, Cook and Danny White. I think you'll be very impressed with the talent in the area. On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:13 PM, justifiedright wrote: Hey Gary that sounds like a blast! My daughter and I are going to start working on some Bruce songs tonight (by coincidence). If I can talk my wife into letting her stay out until 9:00 on a school night I'll bring her along. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: ASBURY PARK FAILED THE PEDDLER!
In a message dated 9/5/2007 1:45:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a very sucessful word-of mouth business, simply because of who I am, and how I conduct myself. Yes, 10% of my customers go out tounge lashed, never to return. I wouldn't have it any other way. I stand up for what I believe, and was taught not to take shit from anybody. This is neither pro nor con anything. The above post made me laugh because it reminded me of the Soup Nazi. Several years ago there was a small Mr. Shrimp fish market and eatery on Rt 35 in Wall near the Shopright. I had passed by that area many many times over the years. Never noticed it. Then I heard some people talking about how good the food was, but they called him the Shrimp Nazi. I found out why. I went in, ordered and ate. It was great. I meant to compliment him and told him I never knew he was there because his sign was too far back and couldn't be seen from the road. His response: I do great business and if some people can't find me, Fu#k 'em. He died not long after, and the new owners moved to a bigger place on Rt 71 in Belmar. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:48:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: may I suggest some crowded beach/bdwlk shots from the 1940's? Whoever runs this site _http://www.savetillie.com/_ (http://www.savetillie.com/) knows how cool Asbury Park is getting to be again. Click on Independence Day 2007 link to see pix there. (And let's not get into a debate about Tillie. This guy knows how to move on, at least with his pix.) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
In a message dated 7/31/2007 10:21:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hardly a high school kid. I read the message on this board and replaced 2 pictures with current versions. Later this week, I will take some pictures to replace the others. I have some from the winter but I would rather see current images. Ah! Thank you, Chris. A pic of the new paramount interior would be great too. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Chris, Madison Market had a great pic of the paramount restoration, with the interior scaffolding still in place. Mostly gold tones. It was at their site or on a press release. Can't find it anymore, but I think I did send it to Werner. In a message dated 7/31/2007 10:21:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hardly a high school kid. I read the message on this board and replaced 2 pictures with current versions. Later this week, I will take some pictures to replace the others. I have some from the winter but I would rather see current images. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
In a message dated 7/30/2007 8:21:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the photos, definitely should be replaced! ... I think the Council, should place their own comments, don't you? The piece doesn't do Asbury enough justice, === Anyone can edit the text or add pictures; enough passion in the people on the list to maintain it. I'm thinking, the Historical Society (also people like Werner and Kate with her Coaster pix); and MM people might want to take a shot at it first with pix. Coaster and TriCity should have file photos too. Businesses add links. Other Asbury Park web sites can add their input and links. Controversies in a special section (maybe). E/g., Eminent Domain, et al. Talk / Discussion pages allow for comments and resolution of disputed content. Text should emphasize new dynamism to balance the old old stuff about riots and decay. Wiki articles are always somewhat in flux, as in maintenance, but founder Jimbo Wales was on TV this weekend explaining the self-policing control the site maintains. Considering the number of visits the site gets, care of the site should be no small matter for us. For better or worse, Wiki is becoming more and more at first stop for students, journalists; even some judges accept references from there it's been reported. See CONTRIBUTING at _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About) Maybe all the passion, expertise, and debate on this board could be harnessed for good. cf.: No depressing pix here: _Click here: Coney Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coney_Island) Monmouth County list at bottom here : _Click here: Monmouth County, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_County) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
The city can't ever maintain their own website. Visitors will only find dead links for Special Events, Places of Interest, Beech Cam, Downtown Cam and so much more. Poor source of information for people interested in Asbury Park. - Original Message From: 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:18:56 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia It's an almost decent assessment, but the photos, definitely should be replaced! No doubt! I think the Council, should place their own comments, don't you? The piece doesn't do Asbury enough justice, IMHO! I saw a jewel, no, the Pearl, I envision, when I talk about AP! I was impressed to no end, with all of the activity and beauty, I surveyed. I am never one, to talk to strangers, and I found myself, talking to anyone, who would listen! People were smiling, enjoying the ocean, the boards; everything. I was happy as all get out and sorry, I hadn't taken advantage of the beautiful place, we call home, before! Yeah, yeah, I know, we aren't THERE, yet, but you have to crawl, before you walk, as my dad, always said! There are REAL possibilities here! Now, if we could just get those cameras! Me, who is a civil libertarian, stating this! I must be getting old! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia 1. Just some observations I've made recently. Reuters reports that Wikipedia is now the top online news and information destination, according to Nielsen//NetRatings . Online encyclopedia Wikipedia has added about 20 million unique monthly visitors in the past year. In May, Wikipedia had 46.8 million unique visitors, up 72 percent from June 2006, NetRatings said. Wikipedia also has finished on top of the news and information category every month this year -- ranking ahead of Landmark Communications' Weather Channel site by an increasing margin -- topping out with a disparity of about 10 million visitors in May. 2. As I understand it, the rank of results at Google is based on what sites users are visiting. Right now, a search for Asbury Park will show Wikipedia ranked as number 3 or 4 out of approximately 2,000,000 hits. 3. Here is the main entry about our city: Click here: Asbury Park, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Asbury_Park% 2C_New_Jersey Overall, not fully representative of The Rising of Asbury Rising. 4. Here are the current comments at the talk page for that entry at Wikipedia: Click here: Talk:Asbury Park, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Talk:Asbury_ Park%2C_New_ Jersey = = = = = == Talk: Asbury Park, New Jersey, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Negativity Is it just me or do the photos in this suggest a lot of negativity? Crumbling, dilapidated, vacant these are all used in the captions of the photos and suggest the demise of the town. However, the article doesn't talk about a decline and, instead, focuses on redevelopment. What are the views on this? The photos seem to suggest one point of view (that Asbury Park's a piece of crap [pardon the French]) and the article suggests another (Asbury Park: Getting' better every day). Thoughts? 12 January 2007 (UTC) I totally agree-- the same thoughts passed through my head as I read it. Perhaps some new photos are in order? 17:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC) have you ever been there? talk it up all you want, this city is positively terrifying. = = = = = I'm hoping (suggesting) that the powers that be* have some content and images that more accurately reflect our progress at this time. Various news sources, marketing, and real estate interests have recently published many terrific images (E.g., Paramount Theater renovations, the new Hobo's, parades, et al.) They show us in a more positive light than what you'll see there now: the old Beirut-by-the- Sea stuff. It is not very difficult to edit a Wikipedia article or comment on the talk or discussion pages. Much easier, less time and effort than it took to carry out this year's a fantastic Road Trip event. Hoping that the professionals* with expertise in this area might add this to their To Do Lists. *(Chamber of Commerce, UEZ, City Hall/Council, Asbury Partners, Madison Marquette? Somebody?) [Photo by Andrei Jackamets] Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:34 PM, justifiedright wrote: Accordingly, the people who use it most are the ones who have time - high school and college kids. Unfortunately, it is also used quite often by journalists.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
Dan wrote: and was recently cited by a NYS Supreme Court judge in a decision. Yes it was. Many of the criticisms mentioned here deal with issues that have been ironed out. Last week's NYT reported that Wiki media is now giving Google a run for its money. IP addresses of people who hack or screw up with biased or incorrect information or refuse to be civil about disagreements on the discussion pages are blocked from editing. Jimbo Wales ( _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales) ) founded Wiki and did a 45 minute interview at C-Span this weekend. He explains away most of the issues raised at the above link or at the interview here: Lookfor RECENT PROGRAMS __ (http://www.c-span.org/videoarchives.asp?CatCodePairs=Series,APSArchiveDays=100) _American Perspectives: Jimbo Wales, Dan Rather, Tammy Bruce_ (javascript:playClip(clip31856)) (07/28/2007)here: _Click here: C-SPAN: AMERICAN PERSPECTIVES_ (http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=SeriesCode=APSShowVidNum=10Rot_Cat_CD=APSRot_HT=206Rot_WD=ShowVid Days=100ShowVidDesc=ArchiveDays=100) The success of the site is partly attributed to the fact that info without citations are labeled as so, and therefore, suspect. Of course the site would have to be monitored, just as this board is for misinformation. Considering the high traffic the site receives now, it could be a very valuable PR tool for the city. High Schools and colleges are now clamping down on students using Wiki for research, just as in the old days we were not permitted to use encyclopedias as sources. If we all collaborated and reached consensus, the entry would remain intact. They now have all sorts of safeguards in place. Can't see why the city or developers wouldn't want to look into it -- all free PR. As it stands now, with some of those pictures , can't see why anyone would follow up if he or she were thinking of buying here. BTW: Way back when, when I objected to a legend about the fighter Max in Hitler's Germany, I submitted the additional info from the NYT letter to the editor. My addition was thoroughly scrutinized and then made permanent by those who watch over that entry. Hope this thread doesn't get hijacked by irrelevant info -- since we all care about this city so much. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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See Statement of Principles: _Click here: User:Jimbo Wales - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales) Jimbo ends his page with Many Wikipedians watch over my user page and will edit mercilessly or even remove altogether any bad faith alterations made. This is a wiki, after all. FAQ's _Click here: Wikipedia:FAQ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ) Everything you need to know. This is Mario, after all. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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In a message dated 7/30/2007 1:05:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It also is usually at the top of search results for virtually everything when using google Google's algorithm (sp?) Power of the marketplace. On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:34 PM, justifiedright wrote: Unfortunately, it is also used quite often by journalists. Wales explained that a good example of watching Wiki at work would be to watch an entry about any controversial person or issue. Thousands of volunteers monitor the entry for George W. Bush and other political entries. Any inappropriate edit, he says would be removed with minites, he claims. The Supreme Court Wiki _Click here: Courts Turn to Wikipedia, but Selectively - New York Times_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/29/technology/29wikipedia.html?ex=1185940800en=34 7c0f5d37ac4046ei=5070) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
In a message dated 7/30/2007 3:02:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW: Way back when, when I objected to a legend about the fighter Max in Hitler's Germany, I submitted the additional info from the NYT letter to the editor. My addition was thoroughly scrutinized and then made permanent by those who watch over that entry. Also known as High Schoolers. Your resting your case carries no weight. My source was a letter to the NYT by a holocaust survivor, still living who was checked out. That's more scrutiny than any of your columns get. As you're won't to say to others here, You're wrong. And I won't get dragged into showing you correspondence I had with the non-high schoolers, 'cause you're just be contrarian as usual. justified also wrote: If Wiki accepted that from you, I rest my case. Sounds like an insult to me. But I won't stomp out of here crying about it as you prone to do like a grammar schooler. Similar to your insults to Werner and others about theiir whining. That's an insult. which you denied in an endless thread of denials. Maureen is right! You're here just to start cul de sac arguments. Once again, you've hijacked a thread. Your questioning the credibility of Wiki is kettle / black. They still have their problems but work to correct them. Your columns should have as much credibility. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: But almost every AG (attorney general) across the country has contacted me and has provdided content. did you ever read all the studies about all the scholl books that are wrong See also Excerpt from NYT magazine a few weeks ago: The tricky thing is, the process by which Wikipedia usually, eventually gets things right — the notion that mistakes in a given entry, whether intentional or unintentional, will ultimately be caught and repaired as a function of the project’s massive, egalitarian oversight — doesn’t seem as if it would work when people are looking for information about events unfolding in real time. How on earth can anyone be trusted to get the story right when any version of the story is only as accurate, or even as serious, as the last anonymous person to log on and rewrite it? Nothing is easier than taking shots at Wikipedia, and its many mistakes (most often instances of deliberate vandalism) are schadenfreude’s most renewable resource. But given the chaotic way in which it works, the truly remarkable thing about Wikipedia as a news site is that it works as well as it does. Full text: _Click here: Wikipedia - Computers and the Internet - Encyclopedias - News and News Media - New York Times_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/01/magazine/01WIKIPEDIA-t.html?ei=5070en=6eb7f669a27abd53ex=1185940800adxnnl=1pagewanted =alladxnnlx=1185824602-tCw1XliGq52hxJq16HB2ng) == Not even Camden has the desolute pictures that AP has: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden%2C_New_Jersey_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden,_New_Jersey) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
Anne Frank was 13 when she started writing her diary. Want to question her letters? Both the cited letter I provided and the legend are included in the wiki entry on Max. It was amended based on new info. Unlike any of your mistakes: (Using the legend as analogous proof of a godless school board and judiciary which you ditto from the wingnut blogs. You've inadvertently transposed their misspellings which gave your sources away on more than one occasion.) Your responses today come before you could possibly have read any of the technology, business, magazine articles, or the video support I provided. They approximate primary sources far more than anything you've posted on this thread. Next time you fail to give sources for quotes in your columns, why not head the column with This article lacks citations as Wiki does? As far as your smears, they're not permitted at Wiki where disputed info, unlike your rants, is noted. Your responses are smarmy insults, mere assertions, and circular reasoning, par for the course. An updated more accurate and more positive entry with different or additional pictures at Wiki for AP was the purpose of the thread. No controversy was necessary. BTW: Maureen's comment was Tommy - You're playing games again. I misquoted. === You're playing games, again. The Past is Prologue. === In a message dated 7/30/2007 4:08:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My source was a letter to the NYT by a holocaust survivor, still living who was checked out. No, your source was someone trying to recollect 50 years back, to when they were 13, awakened at 1:00 am. T At what point did this person recollect the announcer saying Get up Maxie? After Max nearly took a knee against the ropes when the ref stepped in? After Joe knocked him down the 1st time? The 2nd time? The 3rd time? The legend has it that the radio was cut after a knockdown. Don't know which one. Could have been any of them, and the recollection you cite doesn't answer the question. That's called reliable info in Wiki world, not in the real world. Sounds like an insult to me. It was. By the way, since the same Wiki article also speaks to the power being cut, which should the reader believe, your part of the article or the other part of the article? Typical Wiki. Also, if I recall correctly, my column said something to the effect of legend has it about the radio broadcast being cut. Haven't you pretty much proved that I was telling the truth about that? You've found numerous sources, Wiki itself, citing the same thing. Lastly on this, which one of us is hijakcing the thread? You are bringing up this stuff from last year, not me. Maureen is right! You're here just to start cul de sac arguments. Maureen said that about me? I must have missed it, unless it wasn't here that she said it. Don't care anyway, since I don't know what that means. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
In a message dated 7/30/2007 5:40:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne Frank was 13 when she started writing her diary. Want to question her letters? Ann Frank's diary was written at the time of the events. You're 13 year old was remembering something 50 years old. I suppose you'll dismiss Ken Burn's new documentary War due on TV this fall. PBS is a actively recruiting WWII veterans to videotape their memories from over 50 years ago. Also, there was never a follow up letter i the Times challenging the holocaust survivor's assertion. A red herring. Yes, I know this was about the Asbury Wike site. So why did you bring up our argument from last year about Max? The argument wasn't about Max; your column was yet another culture war piece in which you used paper thin evidence to reiterate the silly See what liberals do! See, See! I referred to Max because it was my experience in using my account to edit that article. I was impressed with the scrutiny my suggestion received, but you implied that Wiki is full of mistakes by kids; i.e., there is no accountability at that site. Where was the accountability when you misplaced a statement, by about 14 years, then put quotation marks around a paraphrase to charge cut and run blah, blah, blah. I guess you have to stick to your guns and never ever admit to a mistake like a certain chief executive. Your major assault on one of our councilmen included making a fuss over his use of Wiki to support your Columbus Day tantrum. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
In a message dated 7/30/2007 5:52:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You see, when she makes the changes, it is likely that her changes will be immediately deleted. Then she will be contacted by the 10th grader in charge, demanding to know her credibility on the issue. The 10th grader will consult with his 9th grade assistant, and together they will decide if Laura's version of Asbury Park is acceptable to their view of reality. They will accept the assignment in study hall, and hopefully make a decision on behalf of Wiki before their Moms make them go to bed TD continues to invent his own reality. And not bother to read sources other post here. And he continues to use ridicule as an argument rather than keep up to date on the reality of the process. Many other web sites, like the movie database _http://www.imdb.com/_ (http://www.imdb.com/) have in place options for users to add content and comment, and ways to report abuse or needed corrections. Only TD's databases are beyond being corrected. From _Click here: Wikipedia:Replies to common objections - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections) Replies to Common Objections. Contents [_hide_ (javascript:toggleToc()) ] * _1 Letting arbitrary Internet users edit any article at will is absurd_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Letting_arbitrary_Internet_users_edit_any_article_at_will_is_absurd) * _1.1 My prose_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_t o_common_objections#My_prose) * _1.2 Cranks_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Cranks) * _1.3 Trolls and flamers_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Trolls_and_flamers) * _1.4 Amateurs_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Amateurs) * _1.5 Partisans_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Partisans) * _1.6 Advertisers_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Advertisers) * _1.7 Bots_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Bots) * _1.8 Systemic bias_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Systemic_bias) * _1.9 Deletion and changes_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Deletion_and_changes) * _2 Wikipedia can never be high quality_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Wikipedia_can_never_be_high_quality) * _2.1 Under construction_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Under_construction) * _2.2 Shortage of intellectuals_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Shortage_of_intellectuals) * _2.3 Motives of intellectuals_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Motives_of_intellectuals) * _2.4 Errors and omissions_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Errors_and_omissions) * _2.5 Stubs are stupid_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Stubs_are_stupid) * _2.6 Standards_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Standards) * _2.7 Selectivity_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Selectivity) * _2.8 Mixing ignorance and knowledge_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Mixing_ignorance_and_knowledge) * _2.9 Attribution and references_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Attribution_and_references) * _2.10 Accepting edits_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Accepting_edits) * _2.11 Trustworthiness_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Trustworthiness) * _2.12 Quality of other sources_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Quality_of_other_sources) * _3 Scalability_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Scalability) * _3.1 Quantity and quality_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Quantity_and_quality) * _3.2 Rate of growth_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Rate_of_growth) * _3.3 Success breeds failure_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Success_breeds_failure) * _3.4 Slowness_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Slowness) * _4 Miscellaneous concerns_
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
While I am sorry to hear about the toubles you had. You can not expect the city to suggest where you open. - Original Message From: asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:48:29 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting When Reidy told me the plan, it sounded great. A center lane with a 5 MPH speed limit. Anyone operating outside of these guidelines would be enforced. What's the problem? Especially since roads were not condusive to cycling, particularly with ocean view. The other thing that bothers me is that if Kinmon was willing to go out on a limb and tell me I'd not have a problem with rentals; it would not have been difficult for the city to alter ordinance to allow commercial bikes; considering I had valid mercantile license. As for you, Fred, you do realize that my Shop only opened to the boardwalk, right? Shouldn't someone have at least suggested I open in a different location due to the potential issues? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not be progressive? Exactly my thought. Bike lanes along the beach work in many places, and they definitely would've worked in AP. The Strand in LA is the best example I can think of. Only difference is it's concrete rather then wood. When I lived in LA, tons and tons of people shared the Strand every single day without incident because they knew, because of lines, that bikes and rollerbladers go here, and walkers go there. We have the widest boardwalk around. Plenty of room for everyone. As for enforcing the rules, I had many varying encounters with riding my bike on the boardwalk. In the beginning of the summer, I did it all the time, and there were definitely cops present, and nobody told me to stop. Then, toward the end of the summer, I got kicked off once, and like a good citizen I followed the rules. Next thing i knew, I was the guy riding on the pothole ridden street, but there were still others riding on the boardwalk, and nobody seemed to be enforcing that. Also, one thing that amazed me is that many times, the boardwalk was nearly deserted, so here's a rule that keeps people from riding on a deserted boardwalk. What is that? Even nobody else is there, you can't go there either. Absurd. As for Rita, I was at a council meeting where she began bashing bikes, because one fricken person had a bad encounter. Knee jerk reaction. Welcome to bicycle friendly Asbury Park. What BS. They need to stop calling this city bicycle friendly. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: I'm saying that I would not have spent $14K on new rental units if I was told that they would enforce bike restrictions on the boardwalk in the upcoming season. You attitude towards this is exactly why this place is doomed to fail, yet again. Why not be progressive, particularly when the people being attracted here to buy homes are encouraging it? You and Rita would rather argue for the sake of arguing. If I say black, you'll say white --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: So you are saying if the ordinance wasn't enforced you would have stayed? You know who you should blame then. If I would have been informed beforehand, I could have changed the plan. But there was no reason to change the plan, as I was encouraged. Particularly when I asked about renting prior to purchasing the new fleet. If I was quoted as to city ordinances, which according to your ideals, should have been the protocol; I wouldn't have spent the money. But, since I trusted the word of city officials instead, I got screwed. Are you going to start enforcing the ordinance of no bathing attire on boards or adjacent walkways? SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT; understand, how it could be ok in the name of progress? No? Than enforce it! Enforce all those laws that will mark dark ages instead of progress in the name of being right! You think I'm just saying they said it would be OK? Ask boardwalk merchants and Uri K from the partners that were present at that meeting in tides if I didn't ask top cops before spending my money on new rentals. If they tell you I didn't, their lying! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: Why is it incompenence? They has reasons didn't they. Weren't they worried about people getting hurt? Weren't they worried about enforcement? Go ask Rita how she felt about it. She didn't even
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
Love how you place your twist on things. I did not place full blame on this guy. Would be impossible for me to do so since I do not know the entire story. I was not there for these conversations and people directly involved have not responded here either. So if you want, you can listen to one side and take that side. All I siad was it seems to be a bad situation without any winners here but I don't think the city had a obligation to warn of the location. That would be up to the merchant when doing their research and deciding on opening up a business. C'mon Dan you should know better. Doesn't mean a thing unless it is on paper. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:35:35 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: While I am sorry to hear about the toubles you had. You can not expect the city to suggest where you open. Kill two birds with one stone. In regard to Fred's post too. You miss the point. It is not that he was intentionally screwed, or should be babysat by the city. Here was a guy putting his money on the line ONLY after assurances from the city. Even if they were not assurances per se, what happens? Bruno's scooter gets knocked over by kids on bikes. Instead of working to make sure that people are allowed to ride either within resticted hours or a bike lane is made either on the bw or ocean ave, he is told he can't rent his bikes. Okay, ocean was being rebuilt. It's okay now. Give the guy free rent for this season in whole or part. When they opened the casino passageway it was like a dam being opened. People came from the south right onto the bw. Many on bikes. It could have been worked out in a way that was safe for bikes and pedestrians. But what happens? Another person who invested in AP walks away with a sour taste in his mouth. It can't always be everyone else's fault besides the city and Partners. That's how you and Fred have it. No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
Feb 20 I posted this: I wonder who made the demand. I think the city holds more responsibility in this. Partners brought a business to the boardwalk. If the city demamded him to close that is not the responsibility of partners. The counsilman should not be annoyed that there is a bike shop on the boradwalk but the real question is why is there so little pollice / security on the boardwalk. I do not know what partners has to provide but the city should have police in addition.I see it as the city driving away a business. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:31:35 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Love how you place your twist on things. I did not place full blame on this guy. I didn't say you did. I said it can never be the city's or Partners' fault with you or Fred. But I will stand corrected if you can show me where you placed blame on either in the past year. I have salt and pepper ready to eat my words. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
I wonder who made the demand. I think the city holds more responsibility in this. Partners brought a business to the boardwalk. If the city demamded him to close that is not the responsibility of partners. The counsilman should not be annoyed that there is a bike shop on the boradwalk but the real question is why is there so little pollice / security on the boardwalk. I do not know what partners has to provide but the city should have police in addition.I see it as the city driving away a business. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:24:54 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Who made this demand? Are you hoping it's JK? Iknow he tried to get abike lane but it was shot down. Does no one see the bigger picture here? itis bigger than bikes on the bw. It is the failure of the bw. Did I read that Gertrude Hawk won't be back either? Lights out on the bw. Lights out on Grand across from Library Square I don't know how long? JCPL. That's the answer. I heard that from the dais at a council meeting. How bout this is your city that you have been elected to run? How about the buck stops here? Always ready for photo ops and faux landings. Is the redevelopment just hype? It is or it isn't. Prove its not. Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
That is a good point. He did take a gamble knowing that that ordinance was on the books - Original Message From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:33:54 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: The City didn't chase anyone. The bike ordinance has been in effect for at least 40years. It hasn't really been enforced for about 10 years. The Bike shop opened knowing bike weren't allowed on the BW. He could have openned the store there, nobody said no to that. In 2005 JW demanded that the ordinance be enfored. I know people who got a $70 summonIn 2006 the Council looked into bike lanes they decided it was too dangerous to allow bikes. They did extend the hours. You can now ridse on the BW until noon it was 9am. I think it's more of a Tenant/Landlaw disagreement and poor planning by the bike guy. I don't think it's the Partners or the Citys fault, for this guy to expect the City to change the bike ordinance just because he opened a business was a gamble that he last. I wonder who made the demand. I think the city holds more responsibility in this. Partners brought a business to the boardwalk. If the city demamded him to close that is not the responsibility of partners. The counsilman should not be annoyed that there is a bike shop on the boradwalk but the real question is why is there so little pollice / security on the boardwalk. I do not know what partners has to provide but the city should have police in addition. I see it as the city driving away a business. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:24:54 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Who made this demand? Are you hoping it's JK? Iknow he tried to get abike lane but it was shot down. Does no one see the bigger picture here? itis bigger than bikes on the bw. It is the failure of the bw. Did I read that Gertrude Hawk won't be back either? Lights out on the bw. Lights out on Grand across from Library Square I don't know how long? JCPL. That's the answer. I heard that from the dais at a council meeting. How bout this is your city that you have been elected to run? How about the buck stops here? Always ready for photo ops and faux landings. Is the redevelopment just hype? It is or it isn't. Prove its not. _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers. yahoo.com. Try it now. Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
Who made this demand? - Original Message From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:43:32 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: You are right there was one Councilman who demanded that the bike ordinance be enforce. He shook things up alright. One learns quickly that when merchants are constantly endangered and harassed by the community they serve, that's just the way it is (sort of a: what did you expect, it's Asbury? attitude); but shake up a council member, and now we have a problem! It should be noted that the climate for this gang to exude it's mayhem was set by the fact that the lights on the boardwalk were out for several blocks; not to mention that the constant battle between the partners and the city certainly played a hand in the lack of (city provided) security on the boardwalk (controlled by the partners; with their own ongoing lack of proper security). I don't know if it's the city's or the partners' responsibility to light the boardwalk, but I lost my life savings as a result of their failure to do so for a few hours. As a pioneering merchant, caught in the middle of their differences, one's safety and business potential are seriously compromised. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park from a newcomers perspective
Overall observation from a realist It is not just 'rich' people who are driving people out of Asbury and it has nothing to do with race, but it is how a true 'free market' works. It happens to elderly and middle class families too, but guess what - they have to move and have little or no gov't assistance for relocation, jobs, rent or housing discounts, etc.. Look at townsall over the US where prices and taxes increased as demand for housing increased and people are forced to move. I can't afford oceanside real estate and neither can most middle class Americans, so why should being poor allowanyone those rights. Let the economy determinerents, housing prices and everything else and keep gov't focused on the things they should be involved in. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park from a newcomers perspective
Ture. It is funny how it is believed that low income housing should be place along the ocean. Also, the complaints that the town is being taken away from the poor. Seems to me that Asbury is returing back to the original. Where the mid to upper class stayed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall observation from a realistIt is not just 'rich' people who are driving people out of Asbury and it has nothing to do with race, but it is how a true 'free market' works. It happens to elderly and middle class families too, but guess what - they have to move and have little or no gov't assistance for relocation, jobs, rent or housing discounts, etc.. Look at townsall over the US where prices and taxes increased as demand for housing increased and people are forced to move. I can't afford oceanside real estate and neither can most middle class Americans, so why should being poor allowanyone those rights.Let the economy determinerents, housing prices and everything else and keep gov't focused on the things they should be involved in. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park: Haves and Have-Nots by the Sea
HERE HERE!! -a --- oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can things be equalized ? Begin some more serius attempts to rebuild the West side and incorporate equal housing on the east side Article last week about how long branchtook $2m in COAH credits from Colts Neck (this is where rich towns can give away the low income housing obligations to other towns to build the low income housing. Nice loophole for towns to avoid their local obilgations. Imagine a development on the West Side that catered to ALL people that was affordable and SAFE. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Homeless Shelter
Hmmm Asking if Asbury radio is covering the storry is a knock? I guess then I also knoced the Asbury Park Press. So you can add both to your list of knocks. dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@... wrote: I send my congrats to the GLH board. They have been well organized and rather than just complain about the same old, collectively as a group have made progress. I am surprised that our elected officials are unable to react and have allowed this to get passed. While I do not know all the details, I'm guessing something could have been done. I think we all agree that there should be support for homeless we don't need any additional here. Especially for outside towns. Publicity would help. Asbury Radio where are you? I have not seen this story in the press either? AllanIf you come to council meetings on a regular basis, as I've suggested before, you would have heard, Maureen, myself, and others discuss the issue of this shelter. The city claims that they attempted to deny a permit for the shelter and that it was taken to court and the city lost. The city claims that they are being forced by the court to allow the shelter. The first step to know what is going on and trying to change things is to attend council meetings. I told the city that they should ty for once, to condemn something it doesn't want instead of things people want to stay (Baronet). Use eminent domain to acquire the shelter property, but for a public use. Various groups run charitable services in this city, fail to police the people who use them, and they return home to their own communities which these operations do not impact. BTW Allan, another knock at Asbury Radio by you. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Readies For Busy Summer Season
It is in total contrast to Cookman. You walk away from a stroll down cookman with 'wow, they are really taking this seriously!'. The BW leaves me shaking my head and saying to myself 'They must be joking! your right, there is a difference between the boardwalk and cookman ave. but keep in mind, that whats being done on cookman ave. is perminate, and ment to remain as you see it. its clear that whats done on the boardwalk is only for a few years, untill a final renovation is done (for anyone out there who didnt know, or figure it out. that final renovation will come as soon as the first 3 main residential projects are completed). I am sure I was not the only one who left feeling what was 'fixed' looked cheap, tacky, and temporary. cheap, yes. tacky, possiably. temporary, of course. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Readies For Busy Summer Season
there is no mention of it on the sign on main, and i didnt see anything in the loacal papers about it. This seems to be the norm for city sponsored (im not sure that who is sponsoring it) events down on the waterfront. I think a little more attention to PR and marketing for these types of events would help immensely. I think it was mentioned in the Asbury Park Press on Friday (weekend section). I was told about the concerts a few months back and promised a press release once the schedule was set. That release never came. I did add all of the events to the event calendar at AsburyMusic.com yesterday so if you want to see the summer schedule it is available there as well as the Convention Hall website. They are great at sending out press releases for things like the installation of new lights on the boardwalk, but when it comes to promoting events they hardly ever send anything out. As for promotion, well... Let's just say that there are places who have been offering advertising for practically nothing and they refuse to take them up on the offer. When an popular act like Billy Idol fails to sell enough tickets for a concert on Memorial Day weekend you know that they aren't doing promotion well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Readies For Busy Summer Season
John, Very interesting. What happened to the group that wanted to make sure the Casino was preserved? -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Tedesco Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 7:02 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Readies For Busy Summer Season thanks for the asking the question i was hoping would be asked. It allows this topic to be brought up without hearing, 'the election's over..why is this still a topic?' I, for one, might consider suing (if i was a person of litigious nature) because they seem to have been negligent in making sure that the developer's agreement is being held to as intended. If the city was on top of making sure restoration and safety came first (and maybe question these anti-newtonian timlines the MD has seemed to concocted) the casino would certainly be in better shape by now. And frankly, if they gave a crap, they would MAKE as sure that people wouldn't be walking through that death trap as well as they seem to be making sure people arent hitting the sand without beach badges. I think having the casino open is an important part of generating BW traffic (people certainly arent going to hop in their car and to come from the south if they are at the beach in OG, but will readily continue their stroll northward through the casino), and hate the fact that it is closed, but the reality is that someone has to intercede to make sure the injury and litigation does not ensue. The last thing AP needs is the setback of bad press related to the perception that 'camden by the sea' is still an appropriate euphemism for AP. Tony --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure there are 'debris nets' but how long before someone gets hit with something and the city is sueded? the city doesnt own the casino, so why would the city get sued? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: asbury park - fishman
Dan: Charlie has made those same arguments for 4 years. They've been refuted a thousand times. JerseyJohn did an accounting of all the developers that have tried to get in here. It's quite a number. Unfortunately despite all the facts that make those same arguments untenable, Charlie and the City Council (except perhaps Hamilton) still think the same things. It's no use. People who don't want to face facts won't. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: asbury park - fishman
thats true, but the city made the deals they did. they know what they have to work with. and they seem fine with it. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
