Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread

[nancy jean baptiste]

Happy Easter to all of you. You're the best extended family a person could ask 
for!


Nancy Jean




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Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 7:47 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread

A blessed Easter to all you wonderful people.

"E"

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy 
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Happy Easter to everyone.  May you have a wonderful Easter filled with family, 
friends, love, and allot of laughter.

Barb


On Saturday, March 26, 2016 8:30 PM, Cheri Mello 
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Happy Easter/Feliz Pascoa to all!

If you wish to post your Easter greetings, hit reply to this thread ONLY 
(unless you are on digest - go out to the web board). Do NOT start a new thread.

Post your Easter greetings until 11:59 pm in your time zone on Sunday, March 
27th.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Name help please. Ribeiras, Pico

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings,


I may have located the baptism record for my 3x grandmother in Pico. I'm 
searching for Maria Silveira, born in Ribeiras around 1782 based on her obit. 
This one works and I'm wondering if someone could tell me the name of the 
padrinho's, Manuel Sylveira's,  parentsis it Anselmo? Ancleto? and Maria 
Sylveira?


CCA

Ribeiras, Pico

Baptisms

1779-1799

pg. 0022

Bottom right:Maria


Thank you for any insight,

Nancy Jean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you Laura for such a heartwarming welcome to my morning..I too 
cried.what a wondrous story! I certainly wish I had your organizational 
skills!

Happy hunting in your continued searchnow you know the real possibilities 
exist.

Nancy Jean


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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 4:49 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

Laura that's a great story. God works through people and often in mysterious 
ways. You mentioned your mom is French Canadian. I don't know much about this 
DNA stuff,  only the basics I guess, but my wife is French Canadian and she's 
had a Family Finder DNA test done. I have done some research on her lines and 
so has one of her family members.  Send me an email if you want me to check 
anything that might be helpful.
Best wishes, Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish information

[nancy jean baptiste]

Senhor Azevedo,


I tried to contact you via email but was unable to do so. May I also request 
your ebook and names list.  I have many reasons to believe my mother's  
maternal line was Sephardic.


Thank you,

Nancy Jean


fishsongf...@gmail.com



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of saltdog 

Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 9:09 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Cc: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish information

Could you please send the ebook mentioned and the list of names for jews from 
the azores.  Thanks  g.t.i...@gmail.com

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
Repost for Manuel Azevedo (email below):

greetings to all,

there has been very little research done on this topic. the extant jewish 
cemeteries that i know of in ponta delgada ( são miguel),  angra ( terceira) 
and horta ( faial) all date from post pombal return of north african/ gilbratar 
sephardim who established communities in faro, lisbon, ponta delgada, angra and 
terceira. the synagogue in ponta delgada survived and has recently been 
restored. the faro community created a museum/ cemetery. the lisbon community 
which rebuilt its synagogue in 1904 was taken over by the ashkenazi who fled 
the holocaust to portugal. the azorean communities are non-existent. pedro 
merlim?, recently deceased wrote a book entitled " os hebreus da terceira".

these communities have no relation  to the initial settlors of the azores, some 
of whom were no doubt jews and after the forced conversion of 1497 were known 
as new christians, (although porto judeu in terceira is not porto de cristão 
novos!)

inquisition records, which are on line ( torre de tombo national archices) in 
my opinion relate the best social history of the period. professor paulo 
drummond braga did his phd on the inquisition in the azores which has been 
published.

it contains a list of names from the 1604 " finta" ie. levy of new christians 
in the azores that were taxed to pay for the general pardon granted in 1604 by 
philip of spain ( remember the union of the two crowns in 1580).

i have reproduced the list on my blog ( 
ladina.blogspot.com) and as an appendix in a book 
about the first azorean woman to be burned at the stake in 1576 which i can 
send as an ebook to anyone who requests it by emailing me at mlopesazevedo at 
yahoo.com or through the ladina blog.

[http://portuguese-american-journal.com/wp-content/gallery/synaguoge/1396518_1397540407151217_1876783940_n.jpg]

Ladina
ladina.blogspot.com
José de Almeida Mello is a prolific author of many books and monographs. He 
published Sahar Hassamain Synagogue in Ponta Delgada (2009) a book which tells 
the story ...



also on the blog are dutch notarial records from the 17th? and 18th century 
which have some references to the azores. there is also an excellent brazilian 
publication of portuguese new christian names and their origin/location.

cedros is not on the 1604 tax roll. there are cedros on pico. one family member 
told me the family was from greece. lebanon? the jewish connotation  does 
accord with the factoid that new christains took names of plants, including 
trees.

cumprimentos

manuel azevedo


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jewish information

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you for this link! What a wealth of information!


Nancy Jean Baptista



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jewish information

Repost for Manuel Azevedo (email below):

greetings to all,

there has been very little research done on this topic. the extant jewish 
cemeteries that i know of in ponta delgada ( são miguel),  angra ( terceira) 
and horta ( faial) all date from post pombal return of north african/ gilbratar 
sephardim who established communities in faro, lisbon, ponta delgada, angra and 
terceira. the synagogue in ponta delgada survived and has recently been 
restored. the faro community created a museum/ cemetery. the lisbon community 
which rebuilt its synagogue in 1904 was taken over by the ashkenazi who fled 
the holocaust to portugal. the azorean communities are non-existent. pedro 
merlim?, recently deceased wrote a book entitled " os hebreus da terceira".

these communities have no relation  to the initial settlors of the azores, some 
of whom were no doubt jews and after the forced conversion of 1497 were known 
as new christians, (although porto judeu in terceira is not porto de cristão 
novos!)

inquisition records, which are on line ( torre de tombo national archices) in 
my opinion relate the best social history of the period. professor paulo 
drummond braga did his phd on the inquisition in the azores which has been 
published.

it contains a list of names from the 1604 " finta" ie. levy of new christians 
in the azores that were taxed to pay for the general pardon granted in 1604 by 
philip of spain ( remember the union of the two crowns in 1580).

i have reproduced the list on my blog ( 
ladina.blogspot.com) and as an appendix in a book 
about the first azorean woman to be burned at the stake in 1576 which i can 
send as an ebook to anyone who requests it by emailing me at mlopesazevedo at 
yahoo.com or through the ladina blog.

[http://portuguese-american-journal.com/wp-content/gallery/synaguoge/1396518_1397540407151217_1876783940_n.jpg]

Ladina
ladina.blogspot.com
José de Almeida Mello is a prolific author of many books and monographs. He 
published Sahar Hassamain Synagogue in Ponta Delgada (2009) a book which tells 
the story ...



also on the blog are dutch notarial records from the 17th? and 18th century 
which have some references to the azores. there is also an excellent brazilian 
publication of portuguese new christian names and their origin/location.

cedros is not on the 1604 tax roll. there are cedros on pico. one family member 
told me the family was from greece. lebanon? the jewish connotation  does 
accord with the factoid that new christains took names of plants, including 
trees.

cumprimentos

manuel azevedo


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1757.07.09 - S. Jorge earthquake

[nancy jean baptiste]

Great informationthank you!


Nancy Jean



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Elisha 
Pacheco da Silva  Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 
11:39 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [ AZORES-Genealogy] 07/09/1757 - 
St. George earthquake




Run the Google translator and you will get a prety net figure about :)



Earthquake in St. George - St. George earthquake

Dates: 07/09/1757 - Warrant God

July 9, 1757 (Saturday)

  *   Around 23 h 45 'felt a strong earthquake with an approximate duration of 
2'

July 10, 1757 (Sunday)

  *   In the morning the damage is visible:
the tip of the top to Calheta do not think a house standing; Large landslides 
originated the emergence of 18 islets.
  *   About 10 o'clock new earthquake.
  *   About 16 hours new earthquake. On Top:

 *   125 deaths. Having a corpse was buried in the church, 84 in two 
trenches opened in Matrix churchyard and 40 were buried in the ruins.
 *   Camera sends boat Creek to attend the event.
 *   Camera sends boat with the county prosecutor and clerk of the House, 
to take possession of the new coves formed by landslides.

In St. John Faja

 *   Large landslides.
 *   Three days later still they heard cries of buried victims.

In Ribeira Seca

 *   Great destruction.
 *   452 deaths.

In Faja dos Vimes

 *   Church and all demolished houses.

Calheta:

 *   135 deaths.
 *   All razed buildings

In North Little:

 *   Aparecimento das " 
Arregoas ".
 *   Several buildings razed

In the Municipality of Sails:

 *   Alguns ruined temples.
 *   Several houses destroyed.
 *   2 deaths in the Norte Grande.

  *   1034 deaths

"Memory of the punishment that the Most High God our Lord commanded this Sam 
Jorge Island for punishment of the sins of the inhabitants of that island in 
the July 9, 1757 ace eleven to twelve of noute dawn on Sunday that counted ten 
of the same mez.
it was punished this Island on the sabbath day will noute ace aforesaid hours 
with big earthquake in this villa as few ruined temples and houses getting 
illesos death residents della the divine Mercy of the Most High God, but to 
show us the great favor and the great mercy that uzou with Nosco this divine 
judge was unloading the divine justice blow in the villas Calheta and Topo and 
hills, leaving devastated the town of Calheta free to stay as few huma home or 
where they arrecolhesse the Blessed Sacrament because have it in the field 
under some trees, and on top of the villa succeeded by the same and as few as 
was huma hermitage of the Virgin Our Lady of Help and ruined, and was not home 
at all, and making prudent judgment and investigation about the dead who 
suffered under the ruins say throughout falleceram Island centas nine people, 
allowing the Divine Mercy of God be all to his sancta view; and that there is 
punishment memory and amendment in addictions in time to come and present me 
decided to expressalo in this book to be the most public (...). That made this 
reminder that assigno me to July 19, 1757 - I Gaspar Gonçalves Boto, Camara's 
scribe wrote. GGBoto. I declare that made investigation again it is known that 
falleceram thousand and thirty-four, I aforesaid scribe who wrote it.

(Book 3 of the Reg. Of the candles villa of Camara, fol. 25 v.º) "

Bibliography:

FILE AZORES Volume IV, p. 353.
Edition of the University of the Azores
Ponta Delgada - 1981
(from where you extracted the quotes)

Cunha, MA - HISTORICAL NOTES
Edition of the University of the Azores
Ponta Delgada, 1981.





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Use of the term Familias

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Suzanne,


Not necessarily a "child" of but a member of the family and perhaps extended 
family.


Nancy Jean



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sme 

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 1:41 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Use of the term Familias

In the records, does the usage of  "da familia/familias"  mean they are a child 
of the people listed immediately after?

Thank you.
Suzanne

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you Margaret. My mom gave my a very old photo of him.on the bottom of 
it it has his name, date of birth, 1823, death, 1906 and says"sailed on clipper 
ships".Perhaps I can find him coming into the U.S. prior to 1855.


Nancy



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Margaret 
Vicente 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:57 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase

Nancy, all it says is that he was given dispensation for having been in the 
United States of America.



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:57 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

I'm wondering WHY they mentioned that Manuel was in the U.S. prior to his 
marriage? Does the record elaborate at all? Is there any info in this record to 
indicate they might be cousinsbig age difference.17 and 34. Did her 
parents give permissionany insights greatly appreciated!


Nancy Jean


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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:42 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.


Thank you everyone! I'll try to copy and paste the links in the 
futurethanks Linda. Thanks Roseyn for the link!


I had no idea he had ever been in the states! Prior to 1855! Is there any way 
to look for him? I have an obscure note from my mom on a picture of him that he 
was a ship CaptainI've found him having numerous children in Sao Jorge 
after this marriage so he didn't go back to the U.S.


Great insights...I appreciate all of your help!


Nancy Jean



From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Hughes 
Roselyn mailto:roselynhug...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:56 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.

Nancy, couldn't help you with the translation but here's the link.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html

Roselyn

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:14 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Greetings all,


I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao Jorge. 
Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for Manuel 
Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,

17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can 
someone explain to me what's going on in this record?


Thank you,

Nancy Jean Baptista

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks Bill!



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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Cc: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.

I don't see anything about a dispensation for consanguinity.  I think his 
travels were mentioned because that was the justification for his dispensation 
for not proving satisfaction of Lenten obligations.

You could try the Angra and/or Horta passaporte logs; but if he was a ship 
captain, passaportes may not apply.

I've seen under 25 marrying without permission being stated in the record 
before.  I assumed the parents' presence implied permission.  The one time I 
saw permission stated was when the maternal grandmother gave permission because 
both parents were deceased or absent (this was all stated in the record as I 
recall).

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase

[nancy jean baptiste]

I'm wondering WHY they mentioned that Manuel was in the U.S. prior to his 
marriage? Does the record elaborate at all? Is there any info in this record to 
indicate they might be cousinsbig age difference.17 and 34. Did her 
parents give permissionany insights greatly appreciated!


Nancy Jean



From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:42 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.


Thank you everyone! I'll try to copy and paste the links in the 
futurethanks Linda. Thanks Roseyn for the link!


I had no idea he had ever been in the states! Prior to 1855! Is there any way 
to look for him? I have an obscure note from my mom on a picture of him that he 
was a ship CaptainI've found him having numerous children in Sao Jorge 
after this marriage so he didn't go back to the U.S.


Great insights...I appreciate all of your help!


Nancy Jean



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Roselyn 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.

Nancy, couldn't help you with the translation but here's the link.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html

Roselyn

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:14 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Greetings all,


I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao Jorge. 
Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for Manuel 
Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,

17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can 
someone explain to me what's going on in this record?


Thank you,

Nancy Jean Baptista

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you everyone! I'll try to copy and paste the links in the 
futurethanks Linda. Thanks Roseyn for the link!


I had no idea he had ever been in the states! Prior to 1855! Is there any way 
to look for him? I have an obscure note from my mom on a picture of him that he 
was a ship CaptainI've found him having numerous children in Sao Jorge 
after this marriage so he didn't go back to the U.S.


Great insights...I appreciate all of your help!


Nancy Jean



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Roselyn 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:56 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.

Nancy, couldn't help you with the translation but here's the link.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html

Roselyn

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mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Greetings all,


I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao Jorge. 
Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for Manuel 
Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,

17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can 
someone explain to me what's going on in this record?


Thank you,

Nancy Jean Baptista

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings all,


I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao Jorge. 
Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for Manuel 
Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,

17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can 
someone explain to me what's going on in this record?


Thank you,

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is Manoel's surname

[nancy jean baptiste]

Yes, Teixeira..


Nancy Jean



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Mello 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is Manoel's surname

Teixeira. I think it says Tx^ra. Let's see what others think. There's a little 
bleed through messing with it.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need confirmation of birth.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hard to read but it is for a Manuel and the fathers last name appears to be 
Jorge but you'll need more and better eyes for this one!


Nancy Jean



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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:10 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need confirmation of birth.

I am looking for Manoel Rodrigues' birth. He was the son of Domingos Jorge and 
Marta Rois.
I t says Mel born 8 Feb 1562. Is this the right birth? Second on right.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1541-1563/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1541-1563_item1/P173.html



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Member Introduction

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Welcome Kim,


I have a ggrandfather, Jose Pereira, born in 1836 and he had a brother Antonio 
born in 1827oddly mine left the island in 1853 on a whaling ship and also 
oddly, he married in 1866! Interesting coincidences! Mine stayed in New Bedford 
after immigrating.


I'm sure you'll make many new discoveries this year. This group is amazingly 
helpful!


Kind regards,

Nancy Jean Baptista



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Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 5:13 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Member Introduction

As a new member I wanted to post my maternal family surnames that I am 
researching as an introduction.  I do not have any specific calls for 
assistance yet but I'm sure to have them in the future.  Cheers!

2x great-grandfather:  Antone E Pereria
Information provided on Death Certificate (not all proven, to date):
b. 20 Feb 1835
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Father - Joseph Pereria
Mother - Unknown
He resided in California for about 60 years (immigrating about 1853)
Family lore has him traveling from the East coast to the West by wagon.
d. 27 Aug 1913, Hayward, Alameda County, California

Marriage: 11 Dec 1866 (California)

2x great-grandmother:  Mary E Neves
Information provided on Death Certificate (not all proven, to date):
b. 7 Jan 1847
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Father - Frank Neves
Mother - Isabelle
She resided in California for about 61 years years (immigrating about 1863)
d. 16 Feb 1924, Hayward, Alameda County, California

Other side of the aisle

2x great-grandfather: Francisco "Frank" J Coelho
b. about 1844
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d. 17 Jul 1908, Alameda County, California

Marriage: 11 Sep 1878 (California)

2x great-grandmother: Marianna Barcelas
b. about Dec. 1844
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d. 18 Oct 1931, Alameda County, California

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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Merry ChristmasFeliz Natal e um Ano Novo Muito Bem!


Nancy Jean



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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 5:43 PM
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MERRY CHRISTMAS!


Boas Festas e um Próspero Ano Novo :)

Merry Christmas!

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

(http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Gayle,
The great grandparents are also listed in CITCEM. 
Antonio Furtado Medeiros and Catarina Rodrigues. There are no birth dates for 
them or their marriage. It shows their 1st child, Pedro,  born in June of 1709. 
I haven't looked for their marriage since the records came on line.
Is your descendency from Josefa Clara through her daughters and granddaughters, 
etc down to you?
We may have another connectionI have our old emails in my "cousin" file and 
will look to see if there was another.
Nancy Jean


Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico
From: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:41:23 -0800
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy Jean,
Same as Freddy - through Josefa Clara. I know you and I have connected before 
but don't know if this was the link. If you figure out the great grandparents, 
I'd be interested. I'm not looking at a record at this moment, but I believe my 
line ends at Jose Rodrigues Serpa and Ana Medeiros because of a gap in the 
Candelaria records. So, if you have any documentation that fills the gap, I'd 
love to hear of it. 
Gayle



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Hi Gayle,
Yes, it's the same Josefa. Do you descend from her daughters down to you? In my 
case, my paternal grandmother, Maria Felizarda da Castro Cardoso Baptista, had 
2 sons. I was able to test my dads brother for both Y and MT DNA and she was U5.
Best to you,Nancy Jean

From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 21:03:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Gayle,

Now is a good time to DNA test. There's a sale and I can get you coupon code 
for more of a discount. By testing, you can help other researchers too. You 
could have the documentation on the branch that another researcher is missing. 
After finding out they match you DNA wise, you can work to figure it all out.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Achada





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico

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Hi Rick,
I didn't realize U5 was fairly uncommon in the Azores..it's an interesting 
MT DNA when I read about it. I posted this because I have so many Family Finder 
matches that seem to be from Pico. I thought maybe it would be easier to 
connect via the U5 line than just random pursuit. For Freddy and me it paid off 
to trace the U5 and I'm hoping more people can find our link following the U5 
trail.
Your DNA's are interesting and the fact that they are uncommon in the Azores 
should help with discoveries. It sounds like you've made good progress with 
your mom's side since you have an individual identified.
I'm glad I tested my Uncle.I would have always wondered what mt DNA Grandma 
Mary carried. I still have hopes of testing to discover her husband's DNA, my 
ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso. He has a living great grandson who I hope 
will test someday.
Have a great day!Nancy Jean 

From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 10:54:13 -0500

Hi Nancy,There are some groups of mtDNA that are uncommon. Especially if they 
are placed in an isolated situation as your U5. As for me on my mother’s 
(French Canadian)side it is W3a2. At this point all French Canadian W3a2 
matches go to a single person that immigrated there around 1600. My Dad is 
L2a1c. While there is a large number worldwide there are very few in the 
Acores. My great grandmother is K1a4a1 again not a common group in the Azores. 
This makes things interesting when there is a match.  I am glad your testing 
paid off Nancy.  Rick Richard Francis PimentelEpping, NH  From: 
azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy 
jean baptiste
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:29 AM
To: azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico Hi Gayle, Yes, 
it's the same Josefa. Do you descend from her daughters down to you? In my 
case, my paternal grandmother, Maria Felizarda da Castro Cardoso Baptista, had 
2 sons. I was able to test my dads brother for both Y and MT DNA and she was 
U5. Best to you,Nancy JeanFrom: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 21:03:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico
To: azores@googlegroups.comGayle,Now is a good time to DNA test. There's a sale 
and I can get you coupon code for more of a discount. By testing, you can help 
other researchers too. You could have the documentation on the branch that 
another researcher is missing. After finding out they match you DNA wise, you 
can work to figure it all out.Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Gayle,
Yes, it's the same Josefa. Do you descend from her daughters down to you? In my 
case, my paternal grandmother, Maria Felizarda da Castro Cardoso Baptista, had 
2 sons. I was able to test my dads brother for both Y and MT DNA and she was U5.
Best to you,Nancy Jean

From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 21:03:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Gayle,

Now is a good time to DNA test. There's a sale and I can get you coupon code 
for more of a discount. By testing, you can help other researchers too. You 
could have the documentation on the branch that another researcher is missing. 
After finding out they match you DNA wise, you can work to figure it all out.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] MT DNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings Group,
Freddy Garcia and I have known we we DNA matches for a very long time.we 
did a paper trail years ago and found one of our matches. I match BOTH his 
mother and father and the previous match we found was to his father. Last week 
I noticed that Freddy's mom had a MTDNA of U5.my paternal grandmother was a 
U5.so we started tracing the female lines of both and found our common 
ancestor! I was so excited to follow the MT DNA and find the connection!
We both descend from Josefa Maria Conceicao, born Candelaria, in April of 
1721I descend from her daughter Emerenciana Rosa Conceicao and Freddy's mom 
is from her daughter, Josefa Clara.
I love DNA and it was so easy to follow the U5 trail.
I'm wondering if anyone else has MTDNA U5 from Candelaria, Pico.
Best to all,Nancy Jean

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ME. ISABEL IS FOUND!! Ask and you shall receive

[nancy jean baptiste]

Congratulations! To Aaron as well! Where was she found?
Nancy Jean

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ME.  ISABEL IS FOUND!! Ask and 
you shall receive
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:57:45 -0800

Merry Christmas to me!!  Thank you, Aaron.   I now have Isabel's baptism 
record!!  After so many years, so much searching, my promise to my mother is 
now fulfilled.  I wish she were here to share this joy with me.  Thank you, 
thank you, thank you, Aaron.  Your persistence and perseverance on my behalf 
has paid off.  How do I ever thank you enough for this wonderful gift!!  I 
can't tell you the many tears of joy this soon to be great-grandmother has shed 
this morning.  What a wonderful Christmas 2015 will be as I share this with my 
family!!!  As a side note, I am now contributing, as Aaron requested in lieu of 
payment to him, a $150 donation to the Azores DNA project.  My first hope, of 
course, is that he or a member of his family will take advantage of this 
wonderful gift my children gave to me.   God is good.  Believe.  "E" 




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Reward for my elusive family member

[nancy jean baptiste]

Congratulations! I remember how long you've been looking! So nice that Aaron 
could help you..you've helped so very many of us.now for 
Isabelle.perhaps in the same area.
Nancy Jean

Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 06:43:57 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Reward for my elusive family member
From: bellema...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Aaron,
Thank you so much!!!  You're the greatest  You can 
imagine this brought tears to my eyes.  I sincerely appreciate all you are 
doing to help me find these records. You are making my Christmas much merrier 
this year. My favorite expression on this list is "ask and you shall receive."  
I didn't think it would come true for me.  Thank you!  Thank you!  Thank you!   
I have no doubt in time you will find my Isabelle and I can keep my promise I 
made to my mom. 
I love you so much for doing this for me.
"E"
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Aaron Pereira  wrote:


Elaine,



Here is Romana's death record.  She died in Fenais da Luz, April 16, 1891.



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-O-1890-1899/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-O-1890-1899_item1/P35.html



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is Adriano a Portuguese first name?

[nancy jean baptiste]

We have a friend from Pico who has the name Adriano.
Nancy Jean

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:07:06 -0700
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is Adriano a Portuguese first name?

Hi again Mel,

I just checked the Flores/Corvo Index and Adriano does not appear in it.  
However, Adriao (with tilde) shows up 15 times.  Cross-checked the Terceira 
index again, and Adriao only appears once there.  I do not know if they are the 
same name or not.

best wishes,

Linda



On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 6:56:10 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:Hi Mel,

Yes.  I just searched the Terceira marriage index, and it appears there.  From 
my quick look, it doesn't seem to be used very frequently, appearing only 20 
times.  The usage spanned about 1690 to 1900 and was both a personal and 
surname.

Linda 

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 6:11:58 PM UTC-7, IslandRoutes wrote:I'm working 
with a distant cousin with her Martin(s) line.   The patriarch is supposed to 
be from Portugal and the matriarch from Sao Miguel.  She says they were married 
on Sao Miguel which I am skeptical of.  The couple was in Hawaii in the 1890s.  

The patriarch's name is Adriano Martin.  Is Adriano a Portuguese first name?  I 
question this because I haven't seen it before.  Also, when going through the 
Hawaiian records the only Adriano's I came across were Filipino and Italian.

As I haven't found her family in the records for Hawaii, I am wondering if it 
could be because I am looking for the wrong nationality.

Thanks for the help!
Mel





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[nancy jean baptiste]

Congratulations! What a thrill it must be to talk with your cousin! Your 
mother's sisters daughter! Thank you for sharing this mystery as it unfolded. 
For those of us who are your cousins, there's still that mystery of "how/who/ 
when? Do you have a connection to the Azores yet? I know there was talk of 
looking at the passports. You already have your MTDNA...right?
Best regards  for the continued story unfolding I like Belmiraaka, 
Velma..married at 13you have a good story there.
Nancy Jean

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:43:34 -0700
To: azores@googlegroups.com

How wonderful! So many of us have watched this quest unfold and it is so nice 
to read of your success!
Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Dave Worman  wrote:

Success!!!  

Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searching on my 
behalf and to each one of you following this thread.  I could not have done it 
without you.  You are an answer to my prayers!  God Bless you!

I have been searching for Velma Cotta, my birth mother, for most of my adult 
life with no results beyond finding out her name and marriage to my birth 
father.   Due to the help from members of this group - she has been identified 
and I have been able to locate and contact my actual, real 1st cousin!  A child 
of Velma's sister!   

The information came in a little bit at a time but then quickly once we were 
pretty sure we were on the right trail.  Understanding the name change from 
Belmira to Velma was really the first clue.  Then census info, newspapers 
articles, tracking the people who might be the right family, finding graves, 
then obituaries of Velma's parents (thank you Sequoia Genealogical Society!) 
and then the obituary of Velma's sister.   I don't have permission to name the 
people who actually found all this but you can find them on this thread :)
They did all the important work as I have no clue.

To you who have been searching, too.  Keep looking and trying and I hope for 
your success!

Thank you,

Dave




 



On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
Yeah, that's the spelling. I knew it looked a little off!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velma Cotta

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This is an exciting mystery!
Nancy Jean

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:50:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velma Cotta
From: noblankt...@gmail.com
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Here are the parents Massachucetts marriage record. The fact that Mary is one 
year older than Jose shows up in most of their records. That's unique, as 
anyone who's been at this awhile knows. Ages are highly variable
even when you know you have the right people. 
I previously posted their daughter Mary's birth record from Taunton, 1903. 
 I know , different cities, but these were mill workers, so when demand slowed 
, they shut off the mills and people went looking for work elsewhere. My ggg 
grandparents worked in the Lowell Mills  about 1890, but their kids were born a
 few years later in Swansea, thrn a year later, out to California. 
The two marriage records show the registration for marriage, the other the 
recording of the ceremony.

There may be  good clue here that Maria's father is shown as Jose Conceicao, 
that her name listed wasn't just the religious suffix. 
The next step is to get them identified on the passport leaving the Azores.

Eric Edgar
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:19 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:



Eric,
Dave and I show as cousins. My great grandmother, Catarina Moreira Cabral was 
from Santa Maria and there are some Coelho's in her line. Not sure how many of 
Dave's other matches have Santa Maria. The only other Coelho I have is my 
paternal great grand father from Sao Jorge had a first wife from Terceira who 
had the surname Coelho...not sure right now if it was her father or mothers 
namethey had 2 children.a Manuel and a Josenever found the first 
wife's death ANYWHEREbut he went to Ma. and remarried my 
Catarinaperhaps, somehow there's a connection.long shot.
Nancy Jean

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:26:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velma Cotta
From: dvco...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Eric,
Thank you so much for your perseverance on my behalf. 

Incredible!!   I am certain that Belmira is our Velma.  The 1931 newspaper 
divorce notice would indicate that she is the one!!   

There is so much information that I am overwhelmed right now.   

Thank you,  Dave

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 11:05 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
Dave, 
 I believe I have good lead, someone not looked at before. 
Belimira Cotta, shown on the 1910 census in Kaweah, Tulare county. This is in 
the Sierra east of Visalia.
Her parents are listed as Joe M and Mary Courter ( That's how Cotta might sound 
to an American from a recently arrived Azorean)
She's born in California ( age shows 2 months) Parents arrived in 1902. 
There is a Massachucetts birth record to match her sister Mary that confirms 
the  Cotta name
. 

The only time the name is seen again is the 1923 Portuguese newspaper marriage 
article, Belmira Cotto to Manuel Coelho
In 1930 , Joe M and Mary Cotta are in Tulare township with a grandson, Edward 
Coelho, born about 1926.
In 1940 , a 15 yr old  Eddie Coelho turns up in the San Bernardino County Boys 
Detention Center. His birthplace is blank, but says he lived in that county in 
1935
It seems it could be another Eddie, except that a Joe M Cotta died in San 
Bernardino county in 1961, suggesting residency or a visit there.
If I have the correct Joe and Mary Cotta, then their buried in the Tulare city 
cemetery. 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velma Cotta

[nancy jean baptiste]

Eric,
Dave and I show as cousins. My great grandmother, Catarina Moreira Cabral was 
from Santa Maria and there are some Coelho's in her line. Not sure how many of 
Dave's other matches have Santa Maria. The only other Coelho I have is my 
paternal great grand father from Sao Jorge had a first wife from Terceira who 
had the surname Coelho...not sure right now if it was her father or mothers 
namethey had 2 children.a Manuel and a Josenever found the first 
wife's death ANYWHEREbut he went to Ma. and remarried my 
Catarinaperhaps, somehow there's a connection.long shot.
Nancy Jean

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:26:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velma Cotta
From: dvco...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Eric,
Thank you so much for your perseverance on my behalf. 

Incredible!!   I am certain that Belmira is our Velma.  The 1931 newspaper 
divorce notice would indicate that she is the one!!   

There is so much information that I am overwhelmed right now.   

Thank you,  Dave

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 11:05 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
Dave, 
 I believe I have good lead, someone not looked at before. 
Belimira Cotta, shown on the 1910 census in Kaweah, Tulare county. This is in 
the Sierra east of Visalia.
Her parents are listed as Joe M and Mary Courter ( That's how Cotta might sound 
to an American from a recently arrived Azorean)
She's born in California ( age shows 2 months) Parents arrived in 1902. 
There is a Massachucetts birth record to match her sister Mary that confirms 
the  Cotta name
. 

The only time the name is seen again is the 1923 Portuguese newspaper marriage 
article, Belmira Cotto to Manuel Coelho
In 1930 , Joe M and Mary Cotta are in Tulare township with a grandson, Edward 
Coelho, born about 1926.
In 1940 , a 15 yr old  Eddie Coelho turns up in the San Bernardino County Boys 
Detention Center. His birthplace is blank, but says he lived in that county in 
1935
It seems it could be another Eddie, except that a Joe M Cotta died in San 
Bernardino county in 1961, suggesting residency or a visit there.
If I have the correct Joe and Mary Cotta, then their buried in the Tulare city 
cemetery. 

Eric Edgar






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Helen,
Interesting, you and I don't show a matchhowever, you show as a remote 
match for my sistershe doesn't show Dave as a match!
Nancy Jean

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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:01:59 -0500




Marilyn,
Are you a DNA cousin to Dave? I am and you and I are so there's a clue in there 
somehow!
Nancy Jean

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:11:30 -0600
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
From: mari...@jmtmlt.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Do you have any additional information? Born Northern, Central, Southern 
California? Married names?
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Dave Worman  wrote:


First, Thank You!! to each one of you who have spent so much
time trying to help me with this search. 

 

I am still searching for information on Velma Cotta, born
about 1910 probably in California. 
Divorce 1928 - married again 1933.  
In 1933 lived at 230 Ivy St., Hanford, CA with Belle and Hercules
Lopes.   Have hit a brick wall here and
am still wondering about her.

 

And to those of you who have not yet done the DNA testing, please
test because you may be able to help people with brick walls like me.  Who 
knows, we might be cousins.

 

Dave






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

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Marilyn,
Are you a DNA cousin to Dave? I am and you and I are so there's a clue in there 
somehow!
Nancy Jean

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:11:30 -0600
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
From: mari...@jmtmlt.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Do you have any additional information? Born Northern, Central, Southern 
California? Married names?
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Dave Worman  wrote:


First, Thank You!! to each one of you who have spent so much
time trying to help me with this search. 

 

I am still searching for information on Velma Cotta, born
about 1910 probably in California. 
Divorce 1928 - married again 1933.  
In 1933 lived at 230 Ivy St., Hanford, CA with Belle and Hercules
Lopes.   Have hit a brick wall here and
am still wondering about her.

 

And to those of you who have not yet done the DNA testing, please
test because you may be able to help people with brick walls like me.  Who 
knows, we might be cousins.

 

Dave






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose da Silva, b. about 1833, city?, Faial, Azores - shanghaied age 14 and brough aboad a cargo bark to Long Island, NY - Looking for any information.

[nancy jean baptiste]

RMac,
About the shanghai "story", my ancestor had a similar one.we were always 
told that my great grandfather, Jose de Sousa Pereira Mancebo, born 
Beira/Velas, Sao Jorge in 1838 was shanghaied when he was sent down to the dock 
to buy a fish.by pirates! In truth I found him on a whaling ship as a cabin 
boy at the age of 15.he stayed with the whaler for a long timefamily 
story is though that he was sold into white slavery and sent to Englandno 
proof of that.but in 1866 he jumped ship off the coast of New Bedford 
somewhere and found a relative and had a marriage arranged and married a mail 
order bride from Pico before the year was out..I believe he was avoiding 
the draft.he had no hope of a future in the Azoreshe was in the middle 
of 11 children with several older brothers. He made his living in New Bedford 
rolling cigarsa skill he had learned in Brazil when the whaling ship was 
there for an extended period..just as a side note, I've had contact by 
several DNA 3rd cousins from Brazilwe have yet to find our common 
ancestor..
Nancy Jean

From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:52:36 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose da Silva, b. about 1833, city?, Faial, 
Azores - shanghaied age 14 and brough aboad a cargo bark to Long Island, NY - 
Looking for any information.
To: azores@googlegroups.com

RMac,

You can find maps of the Azores on the Azores GenWeb. http://goo.gl/k1ZDXv 
(Click on Maps).

There is no place called "Sao Miguel" on Faial island. "Sao Miguel" is another 
one of the Azores islands.

Never heard of anyone in the Azores having a family crest ring. Really not sure 
about that at all. Most claims of "family crests" have completely fallen apart 
in my research.

The Azores are an autonomous region of Portugal. They have their own archive 
system and have digitized their records. You can use Tombo.pt/en to access the 
records (stay in the left pane until you drill down to Faial).

You can research all 12 or 13 freguesias there on Faial and I am sure you will 
find the birth of a Jose to a parent with Silva in their name. In all of the 
villages. Kinda like finding a Joseph Smith in all 50 of the states.

You really need to do more research here in the U.S. to ascertain his freguesia 
over there.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of father in a 1727 baptism record

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My guess would be that he put shoes on horses and mules and made other useful 
objects out of iron.
Nancy Jean

> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of father in a 1727 baptism record
> From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:26:45 -0500
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> Left page, second person (Antonio)
> 
> It must have been  an important position because I found two men with the 
> same exact name where the record said- Joseph de MELLO, official de Fereiros. 
>   However,  their wives had different first names but both were De Andrade.  
> At first I thought they could be the same person except the two men were from 
> different parishes.  One from Santa Barbara and the other fromNS de Assuncao 
> on island of Santa Maria.  Both wives were from the same parish.  
> 
> Does anyone know what that occupation was way back in 1727?  Fereira relates 
> to ferro or  iron(?).  I  don't think they had railroads there (?). It seems 
> unusual to record the occupation back in those days.  Maybe copper?  This is 
> on Santa Maria island.  
> 
> 
> Here's the link to my ancestor, in case I didn't read it correctly- official 
> de ferreiros (!) (?)
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1720-1733/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1720-1733_item1/P164.html
> 
> Thanks for helping me.  It's cool to have an occupation for an ancestor who 
> lived in 1727!  Now if I only knew what it was!!  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Maria Elena 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Interested in Portuguese citizenship

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Jose Medeiros,
Are you a native speaker? I'm curious how difficult you found the exam?
Thanks,Nancy Jean

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Interested in Portuguese citizenship
From: eliseuman...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:13:38 +
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Very well put and thank you!

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

No dia 21/08/2015, às 09:41,   
escreveu:







I don’t know how much of an overkill it might be…I have a close friend who 
married a Russian woman. She is a concert violinist and speaks English at a B2 
level with a reasonable knowledge of US history. It took her 5 years and over 
5000 in legal fees to get her citizenship here. There are always stories of 
easy US citizenship but it actually ranks as one of the more difficult ones to 
get if you have minimal legal standing for it. Portugal is considered somewhat 
easier, just not the easiest. If you want citizenship just to have a second 
passport then there are other places to go. If you want to be part of Portugal 
and its people then that is possible…But, you must prove your interest in the 
country. You can do this by living there for 5 years and being part of their 
economy, by ancestry to the gparent level, by ancestry to the ggparent level 
with language ability, by investing in the country 350,000 euro. It is not 
impossible and it is not difficult by most developed nation standards. One must 
decide the route, the reason, and the qualifications necessary and then be 
about the business of applying. I am surprised at the interesting observations 
made by my US based relatives. There seems to be an expectation that if it 
isn’t done the way it is in the USA it isn’t right or easy or modern. The 
correct observation is that it is different and works for Portugal, that is all 
that matters in this case.I have no interest in stirring up a hot debate; my 
interest is in encouraging those that want to try for citizenship to do so and 
to do it by the Portuguese parameters, after all Portugal is the country they 
are applying to. We Americans always criticize immigrants that don’t want to 
become American they just want the citizenship but not the culture or 
ideas…well?

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From: Jose Medeiros
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎21‎, ‎2015 ‎1‎:‎51‎ ‎AM
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Cc: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
This is an overkill compared to getting US citizenship

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 5:58:11 PM UTC-4, Phil Lopes wrote:I received 
my citizenship about a year ago. I was required to take a Portuguese exam 
offered by the University of Lisbon at San Jose State University. At the time 
exam was only offered twice a year. Exam took about three hours and included 
comprehension, writing, and conversation and cost about $100.00. My guess is 
that the ability to speak Portuguese will continue to be required.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 4:46:40 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste wrote:


Thanks for the information. It's still unclear if a language exam will be 
necessary. Does anyone know?
Nancy Jean

From: ma...@nyu.edu
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 06:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Interested in Portuguese citizenship
To: azo...@googlegroups.com

Here is information I received from the Portuguese Citizenship Reconnect 
organization. Attached are two documents with specific information. 
Hope this helps!
MaryAnn
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From: Portuguese Citizenship 
Date: Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Interested in Portuguese citizenship
To: MaryAnn Santos 


Good afternoon Ms. MaryAnn Santos,
I hope this e-mail finds you well.
On 29 July an alteration to the Portuguese Nationality Act was approved in 
order to consider the grandchildren of Portuguese citizens Portuguese by 
origin. In sum, under the newly enacted law, obtaining citizenship depends on 
three requirements: (i) knowledge of the Portuguese language; (ii) regular 
visits to Portugal; and (iii) the applicant cannot have been found guilty of a 
crime with a prison sentence over 3 years.
I attach hereto our Legal News Alert on the new law. 
If you feel you meet these requirements, kindly complete the assessment form 
attached hereto. 
Feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns.
Best Regards,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Interested in Portuguese citizenship

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks for the information. It's still unclear if a language exam will be 
necessary. Does anyone know?
Nancy Jean

From: m...@nyu.edu
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 06:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Interested in Portuguese citizenship
To: Azores@googlegroups.com

Here is information I received from the Portuguese Citizenship Reconnect 
organization. Attached are two documents with specific information. 
Hope this helps!
MaryAnn
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Date: Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Interested in Portuguese citizenship
To: MaryAnn Santos 


Good afternoon Ms. MaryAnn Santos,
I hope this e-mail finds you well.
On 29 July an alteration to the Portuguese Nationality Act was approved in 
order to consider the grandchildren of Portuguese citizens Portuguese by 
origin. In sum, under the newly enacted law, obtaining citizenship depends on 
three requirements: (i) knowledge of the Portuguese language; (ii) regular 
visits to Portugal; and (iii) the applicant cannot have been found guilty of a 
crime with a prison sentence over 3 years.
I attach hereto our Legal News Alert on the new law. 
If you feel you meet these requirements, kindly complete the assessment form 
attached hereto. 
Feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joining the Azores DNA project

[nancy jean baptiste]

MaryAnn,
It's just for new people who aren't already members so it won't apply to you or 
any other member.
Nancy Jean

From: m...@nyu.edu
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 16:15:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joining the Azores DNA project
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Oops - that's Maia, Achada, Nordeste in São Miguel.
mas
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:26 PM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:
Hi CHeri,
I'm already a member of the Azores DNA project and when I logged on I did not 
find any form requesting info. If I click on "join" the prompt says I'm already 
a member. Maybe I'm overlooking the obvious but your help would be appreciated.
My ancestors are from Maia, Achada, Nordeste, to name a few locations and my 
line goes back to 1500s. 
MaryAnn Santos
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
(cross posted to Azores and IslandRoutes lists)

I have enabled a setting on Family Tree DNA where you have to fill out a little 
form telling us admins why you want to join the Azores DNA project.

I'm doing this because of the number of people joining the Azores project who 
have no Azorean or Portuguese roots. Why do they join then? Some are just 
confused. They match someone who is mixed (say Azoresn, German, British Isles, 
and Martian) so even though they are, say, 100% Martian, they join the Azores, 
German, and British projects too because their match is of the same ancestry. 
And some people join just because they want to. No known ancestry to the 
Azores. I get to spend time explaining to them that the projects don't work 
that way.

So if you have tested with FTDNA or will test with FTDNA and are a member of 
this list, you don't need to go into great detail when you fill out the join 
request. You can say something such as "My ancestors are from Topo, Sao Jorge." 
Or "My surname (or ancestor's surname) is Tavares and I'm still trying to find 
my island (or freguesia)." Or if I (or the other admins) know you and we've 
been emailing you and told you to join, then say "Cheri/Rick/Nancy Jean/Kalani 
(whoever), It's me, Marty Martian, and here I am!" We'll let you in.

Thanks for understanding,
Cheri Mello
Family Tree DNA Administrator (volunteer)
Azores DNA Project


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Women and Tattoos (early 1900s)

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I don't know anything about that time period and tattoo's but since there's no 
"w" in Portuguese maybe it was a different symbol or an English connection.
Nancy Jean

Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:31:45 -0700
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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Women and Tattoos (early 1900s)

Another researcher asked me about something that I'd never seen before, so I 
thought I'd ask here.  His female ancestors was born in 1885 and migrated to 
Hawaii with her parents.  She had a tattoo on her arm which looks like w w and 
then 3 or 4 symbols.

I'm curious if anyone has seen this before with Portuguese women from that 
period?  Other than the suggestions that it was initials of some sort (the w 
definitely was...but the others look more like symbols), we can't come up with 
any specific reason for the tattoos.

I've been working with Portuguese Hawaiian genealogy for 25 years and not once 
has anyone told me their female ancestors born in the 1800s had a tattoo.

Any ideas if it does represent anything?
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São Miguel e Ilha do Pico

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Greetings Manny,
I'm curious if the J1-M365 is from your father-in-law or from your side. Since 
I match you and Uncle John matches Ana, I'm wondering.
Best regards,Nancy Jean

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 08:45:34 -0700
From: kambb...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha 
de São Miguel e Ilha do Pico

My father-in-law is from Ribeira do Meio Lajes, Pico.  
My uncle in from Monte, Candelaria, his mother was from Criacao Velha and his 
father from Monte, His paternal grand-father was from Sao Mateus and his 
paternal grandmother from Monte.
I hope this clarifies some of the confusion.
Manny

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:29:20 PM UTC-4, Ricardo Costa de Oliveira wrote:
 Thanks Cheri


You are right. The samples are from Pico and they are related to the family of 
Senhor Manuel Martins. I think he also participates in this group. 
When we talked he told he was from the Zona da Madalena (Criação velha e 
vizinhanças) but his uncle and father-in-law were from other places in Pico.
 
Best 
 
Ricardo
 

Ricardo,



You said: <>
One kit lists Sao Mateus and the other lists Lajes. I don't know where you got 
Criação Velha from.


The N kit and the kit you compared yourself to are not part of the Azores 
project. :(
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São Miguel e Ilha do Pico

[nancy jean baptiste]

Cheri and Angela,
Thanks. I'll try again.
Nancy Jean

From: angelalo...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:43:43 +0100
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de 
São Miguel e Ilha do Pico
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I think it only asks for login in case you wish to download the PDF article 
2015-07-06 16:34 GMT+01:00 Cheri Mello :
Oops. Yeah, if I turn off that blocker/No script thing, I can read it. 

Cheri

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
I just closed the pop up asking for login access and I can read the article 
just fine
2015-07-06 16:17 GMT+01:00 Cheri Mello :
Nancy Jean,

Same thing. It wanted me to join Google+ or Facebook or wanted my email and I 
had to agree to their Terms of Use, which I didn't feel like wading through.

Cheri

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:44 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
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Greetings,
I was unable to access your article without a login.is there another way to 
read it. Perhaps the difficulty is on my end since I have very spotty internet 
where I am.
Regards,Nancy Jean Baptista
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 11:32:06 -0300
From: rco2...@uol.com.br
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São 
Miguel e Ilha do Pico

Dear all
We have found our J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São Miguel e 
Ilha do Pico
Portuguese origins in the Minho. Before that the Caspian Sea and
J1-M365 is J1a1. I am YF01554
http://www.yfull.com/tree/J1/
Our Project
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/m365/default.aspx?section=yresults
I wrote a paper in Portuguese about the "Alans" in Western Iberia.
"Nós somos Alanos": Documentos, Mitos e Concepções dos Alanos no Ocidente 
Ibérico.
https://www.academia.edu/13589202/_N%C3%B3s_somos_Alanos_Documentos_Mitos_e_Concep%C3%A7%C3%B5es_dos_Alanos_no_Ocidente_Ib%C3%A9rico
 
Ricardo




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São Miguel e Ilha do Pico

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings,
I was unable to access your article without a login.is there another way to 
read it. Perhaps the difficulty is on my end since I have very spotty internet 
where I am.
Regards,Nancy Jean Baptista
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 11:32:06 -0300
From: rco2...@uol.com.br
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São 
Miguel e Ilha do Pico

Dear all
We have found our J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São Miguel e 
Ilha do Pico
Portuguese origins in the Minho. Before that the Caspian Sea and
J1-M365 is J1a1. I am YF01554
http://www.yfull.com/tree/J1/
Our Project
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/m365/default.aspx?section=yresults
I wrote a paper in Portuguese about the "Alans" in Western Iberia.
"Nós somos Alanos": Documentos, Mitos e Concepções dos Alanos no Ocidente 
Ibérico.
https://www.academia.edu/13589202/_N%C3%B3s_somos_Alanos_Documentos_Mitos_e_Concep%C3%A7%C3%B5es_dos_Alanos_no_Ocidente_Ib%C3%A9rico
 
Ricardo




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of the baby

[nancy jean baptiste]

It is a hard recordit looks to me like Joze and that he rewrote filho after 
messing up the first one.but more eyes for sure need to clarify!
Nancy Jean

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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of the baby
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 07:55:32 -0400

The writing is not too good on this record. Based on the number of letters the 
name looks like Josefa. I was looking for a hint whether this child is male or 
female and the way the last letter is written in filho (a) and nasco (a) it is 
hard to tell the difference. Some more eyes need to look at this. Rick Richard 
Francis PimentelEpping, NH  From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:16 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of the baby Someone is too shy to post this, 
so here it is.Top right record.  What is the name of the baby?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1793-1796/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1793-1796_item1/P69.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 5-2-Nov-68-130-167. Portuguese/ Spanish Jews Historical Notes Touro Synagogue Newport, R.I.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you George Medeiros for 2 great articles! 
Nancy Jean

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 5-2-Nov-68-130-167.  Portuguese/ Spanish Jews 
Historical Notes Touro Synagogue Newport, R.I.
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 15:47:18 -0700
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Sam in Maz and Azores google group,
 Sam I thought you might find this PDF document interesting. I have been 
for several years reading and studying about the Diaspora of Portuguese and 
Spanish Jews to the Americas.The colony of Rhode Island was founded by Roger 
Williams and established in 1649. The first Portuguese/ Spanish community in 
North America was in New Amsterdam  which was established by the Dutch which 
later became known as New York City. The second Jewish community was 
established by Portuguese and Spanish in Newport, R.I. and the Synagogue 
known as Touro Synagogue is the oldest one still in use. R.I. was known in the 
Colonial Age as the place to go for those with differing religions so the 
Quakers and Sephardic Jews from Spain and Portugal came to Newport which was 
known as the "Religious Experiment ". This city was one of the first to 
practice separation of church and state.so this was the place to go if you 
wanted to be free to practice your faith. Below is a PDF I found that gives a 
history of the Early Spanish/ Portuguese Jewish. As a side note the Torah in 
this synagogue is from Portugal and is 500 years old. George Medeiros

 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confirm Name in Record?

[nancy jean baptiste]

Yes, it says they are the paternal grandparents of the baby...Antonio Martins 
parents.
Nancy Jean

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confirm Name in Record?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 08:55:24 -0700
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culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-B-1873-1876/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-B-1873-1876_item1/P139.html

I'm confident this is the person I'm looking for, but I don't understand the 
language about half way down referring to Alexandre Martins and Francisca 
Candida? I guess what I'm asking is are they the parents of Antonio Martins? I 
have Antonio's birth and marriage records which indicate parents are unknown. 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feliz Pascoa / Happy Easter thread

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Feliz Pascoa! Happy Easter to everyone!
Nancy Jean

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feliz Pascoa / Happy Easter thread
From: lizmi...@gmail.com
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Blessed Easter to all

Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 5, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Feliz Pascoa / Happy Easter to all list members.
If you'd like to send your Easter greetings, post to this thread only. Do not 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Sam,
The connection must be Dona Maria do Santo Antonio (Resendes) because I don't 
know of a direct connection to this Figueiredo familyI descend from her 
prior marriage to Capitao Mauricio de Sousa Meneses, through their son, Capitao 
Joam Moreira de Meneses, born April 8, 1716 in Santa Barbara.perhaps there 
are cousin marriages I don't know about that connect the children of her 1st 
and 2nd husbandsI had that with Africa Anes.
The mystery continues
Nancy Jean

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:42:44 +







Nancy;  That would make him the sister of my 4th great grandmother, Dona Isabel 
de/da Conception de Figueiredo!  What is you connection to Jose S de 
Figueiredo, what degree of grandparent or what?
Tish and I are also cousins thru this line!  Now to figure out where Shirley 
fits in…  
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From: nancy jean baptiste
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2015 ‎11‎:‎26‎ ‎AM
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Sam,
This is information that Tish and Deni gave me when we were on the quest to 
find our family finder match...well, actually, uncle John and Tish's she 
and I didn't show as a match at FTDNA although we are and they had it on 
papershe mentioned you but I don't remember in what contextbut:
It looks like Jose Soares de Figueiredo is the son of:Alferes Joam Soares de 
Figueiredo and Dona Maria de Braga, Santa Barbara Parish.
I'm not sure of Dona Maria do Santo Antonio (Resendes?), born in Sao 
Lourenco.I wonder if they're in the Rodrigo books?
Nancy Jean

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:54:42 +







Absolutely and doing the happy dance while doing so!  😊 Sam

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From: Shirley Allegre
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎00‎ ‎AM
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If you find anything that connects to me, would you 
please let me know?
Thanks.
Shirley in CA

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  Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:49 
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  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other 
  sites
  

  
  Nancy 
  Jean;  Do you have the parents of Dona Maria do Santo Antonio (Resendes) 
  or Jose Soares de Figueiredo?  I think this Jose is likely the brother of 
  my 3rd gread grandfather!
  

  I 
  have my 3rd great grandfather;  Joam Soares de Figueiredo married to a 
  Francisca Jacinta de Resendes.  Joam’s parents are:  Jose Soares de 
  Sousa and Dona Isabel de Conception de Figueiredo and Francisca’s parents 
  are:  Antonio de Resendes Pavia and Antonia de San Jose.
  

  Do we 
  have a match???  Sam in Maz

  
  

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  from Windows Mail
  

  
  From: nancy jean 
  baptiste
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  Probably tied to this family some wayI have, Alferes Ignacio 
  Jose de Moreira. Born 1758 in Santo Espirito, grandson of Dona Maria do Santo 
  Antonio (Resendes?)...married first to Capitao Mauricio de Sousa Meneses and 
  2nd to Jose Soares de Figueredo, m..Nov.5, 1760
  

  Nancy Jean


  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites

[nancy jean baptiste]

Sam,
This is information that Tish and Deni gave me when we were on the quest to 
find our family finder match...well, actually, uncle John and Tish's she 
and I didn't show as a match at FTDNA although we are and they had it on 
papershe mentioned you but I don't remember in what contextbut:
It looks like Jose Soares de Figueiredo is the son of:Alferes Joam Soares de 
Figueiredo and Dona Maria de Braga, Santa Barbara Parish.
I'm not sure of Dona Maria do Santo Antonio (Resendes?), born in Sao 
Lourenco.I wonder if they're in the Rodrigo books?
Nancy Jean

From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:54:42 +







Absolutely and doing the happy dance while doing so!  😊 Sam

Sent from Windows Mail
From: Shirley Allegre
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎00‎ ‎AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com

If you find anything that connects to me, would you 
please let me know?
Thanks.
Shirley in CA

  - Original Message - 
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  To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:49 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other 
  sites
  

  
  Nancy 
  Jean;  Do you have the parents of Dona Maria do Santo Antonio (Resendes) 
  or Jose Soares de Figueiredo?  I think this Jose is likely the brother of 
  my 3rd gread grandfather!
  

  I 
  have my 3rd great grandfather;  Joam Soares de Figueiredo married to a 
  Francisca Jacinta de Resendes.  Joam’s parents are:  Jose Soares de 
  Sousa and Dona Isabel de Conception de Figueiredo and Francisca’s parents 
  are:  Antonio de Resendes Pavia and Antonia de San Jose.
  

  Do we 
  have a match???  Sam in Maz

  
  

  Sent 
  from Windows Mail
  

  
  From: nancy jean 
  baptiste
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎12‎ 
  ‎AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
  

  
  Probably tied to this family some wayI have, Alferes Ignacio 
  Jose de Moreira. Born 1758 in Santo Espirito, grandson of Dona Maria do Santo 
  Antonio (Resendes?)...married first to Capitao Mauricio de Sousa Meneses and 
  2nd to Jose Soares de Figueredo, m..Nov.5, 1760
  

  Nancy Jean


  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites

[nancy jean baptiste]

Probably tied to this family some wayI have, Alferes Ignacio Jose de 
Moreira. Born 1758 in Santo Espirito, grandson of Dona Maria do Santo Antonio 
(Resendes?)...married first to Capitao Mauricio de Sousa Meneses and 2nd to 
Jose Soares de Figueredo, m..Nov.5, 1760
Nancy Jean

From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 00:38:17 +







Shirley and Brenda;  This is SO frustrating.  I know we are all related.  Just 
have to be with this combination of names and locales but; I can’t find the 
connection.  I’m sure it’s just a matter of knowing the siblings of the right 
ancestors!  Grr……  😢  Sam in Maz

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Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎March‎ ‎23‎, ‎2015 ‎12‎:‎36‎ ‎PM
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I have Jacinta Umblina de Figuerido born 1864 her parents were Antonio Soares 
Mouras 1830 married to Maria Jasintha Figuerdo. Antonios parents were Manuel 
Mouras and Barbara Joaquina. Maria's parents were Ignacio Soares  Moreira and 
Joaquina Rosa de Figuerido, I believe her parents were Anonio Paiva adn Mara 
Rosa Figuerido. 

On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:40:38 PM UTC-4, nancy jean baptiste wrote:


Please, I agree with SamI have Santa Maria shared surnames also.
Nancy Jean

From: azo...@googlegroups.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:30:31 +







Brenda;  Please share with us what information you have on these surnames. 
(Full names, dob, spouses names, etc., etc.  I also have these Santa Maria 
surnames.  If you prefer to keep is private, which I don’t advise, my email is 
sammyk at yahoo.com  at = @, no spaces.
Sam in Maz

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I have Mouras and Figuerido sorry if I spelled these wrong.










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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites

[nancy jean baptiste]

Please, I agree with SamI have Santa Maria shared surnames also.
Nancy Jean

From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:30:31 +







Brenda;  Please share with us what information you have on these surnames. 
(Full names, dob, spouses names, etc., etc.  I also have these Santa Maria 
surnames.  If you prefer to keep is private, which I don’t advise, my email is 
sammyk at yahoo.com  at = @, no spaces.
Sam in Maz

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Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎March‎ ‎22‎, ‎2015 ‎2‎:‎57‎ ‎PM
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Rosemarie, that's nice to knowit will be fun to look through some old ones.
Nancy Jean

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:02:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!
From: rcap...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy Jean, there are also some realy old ones. I didn't put them on 
because they are so hard to find, I think that they were from the 1920's or so. 
At lease the ones I listed are around if you keep looking!Rosemarie 
rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, 
Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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wrote:



Rosemarie,
Thank you for posting the list of articles. I called and my library has the 
complete collectionI'm looking forward to reading them!
Nancy Jean

From: pat_fr...@byu.edu
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 21:35:10 +









Great idea Nancy Jean! Rosemarie, if you wouldn’t mind giving the dates and 
titles, we could all be interested.

 

Thanks Rosemarie!

 

Pat Frade

 

 



From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:42 AM

To: azores group

Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!



 


Rosemarie,


 



I'd like to read these.perhaps my library would have themcan you give 
the dates or are there too many?



 



Nancy Jean





From:
azores@googlegroups.com

To: azores@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:26:51 +



Well, leave it to me to mis-understand.  Ah, well…
😊Sam in Maz




 



Sent from Windows Mail



 





From: Rosemarie Capodicci

Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎10‎, ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎14‎ ‎AM

To: Azores@googlegroups.com




 





Thanks Sam, but I wanted to give them to anyone who might like to keep the 
books! They are very nice articles, especially the one about the Portuguese in 
New England. I would just
 bring them (or mail them to Marilyn!) and give them away! 



 



















Rosemarie




rcap...@gmail.com



Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,



Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily













 


On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
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Rosemarie;  Please excuse me for butting in here but; perhaps, you can scan the 
articles into your laptop or photocopy the pages of the articles you want.  
That way you don't have to take the magazines
 themselves.  Just a thought, Sam in Maz




 



Sent from Windows Mail



 





From: Rosemarie Capodicci

Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎10‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎37‎ ‎AM

To: Azores@googlegroups.com






 





Nancy & Marilyn, 



 



Maybe Marilyn and I will be able to find the connection once we meet in SLC. I 
connect with quite a few of Marilyn's people so we have a good chance of making 
the connection! So
 sorry that we can't all be together but, as you say, maybe next time. Marilyn, 
would you write to me at
rcap...@gmail.com? I was thinking of bringing some of the old National Geo's 
that have articles about the Azores/Portuguese but don't want to carry them, 
maybe mail them to you to bring??? 



 



















Rosemarie




rcap...@gmail.com



Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,



Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily













 


On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:13 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:



Thank you cousins, Rosemarie and Marilyn,


 



I spent a few sleepless nights trying to figure out how to be in two places at 
once...alas, just couldn't figure it out.



 



Please, set the date for the next one as early as possible! At this point in my 
life long term plans work best! I won't miss the next one and hope to see both 
of you as well as meet many
 more new cousins.I do love extended family!



 



Take some pictures,



Nancy Jean


 



 





Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:39:19 -0600

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!

From: mari...@jmtmlt.com

To: azores@googlegroups.com



 


Nancy so sorry you will not be at the conference this year. I was looking 
forward to seeing you again, since I missed last year. 


 



I also believe we are related and was looking forward to checking that out with 
you.



 



Marilyn




 


On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:



​Nancy, I am disappointed that

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Rosemarie,
Thank you for posting the list of articles. I called and my library has the 
complete collectionI'm looking forward to reading them!
Nancy Jean

From: pat_fr...@byu.edu
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 21:35:10 +









Great idea Nancy Jean! Rosemarie, if you wouldn’t mind giving the dates and 
titles, we could all be interested.
 
Thanks Rosemarie!
 
Pat Frade
 
 


From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:42 AM

To: azores group

Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!


 

Rosemarie,

 


I'd like to read these.perhaps my library would have themcan you give 
the dates or are there too many?


 


Nancy Jean




From:
azores@googlegroups.com

To: azores@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:26:51 +


Well, leave it to me to mis-understand.  Ah, well…
😊Sam in Maz



 


Sent from Windows Mail


 




From: Rosemarie Capodicci

Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎10‎, ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎14‎ ‎AM

To: Azores@googlegroups.com



 




Thanks Sam, but I wanted to give them to anyone who might like to keep the 
books! They are very nice articles, especially the one about the Portuguese in 
New England. I would just
 bring them (or mail them to Marilyn!) and give them away! 


 

















Rosemarie



rcap...@gmail.com


Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,


Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily












 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:



Rosemarie;  Please excuse me for butting in here but; perhaps, you can scan the 
articles into your laptop or photocopy the pages of the articles you want.  
That way you don't have to take the magazines
 themselves.  Just a thought, Sam in Maz



 


Sent from Windows Mail


 




From: Rosemarie Capodicci

Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎10‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎37‎ ‎AM

To: Azores@googlegroups.com





 




Nancy & Marilyn, 


 


Maybe Marilyn and I will be able to find the connection once we meet in SLC. I 
connect with quite a few of Marilyn's people so we have a good chance of making 
the connection! So
 sorry that we can't all be together but, as you say, maybe next time. Marilyn, 
would you write to me at
rcap...@gmail.com? I was thinking of bringing some of the old National Geo's 
that have articles about the Azores/Portuguese but don't want to carry them, 
maybe mail them to you to bring??? 


 

















Rosemarie



rcap...@gmail.com


Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,


Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily












 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:13 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:


Thank you cousins, Rosemarie and Marilyn,

 


I spent a few sleepless nights trying to figure out how to be in two places at 
once...alas, just couldn't figure it out.


 


Please, set the date for the next one as early as possible! At this point in my 
life long term plans work best! I won't miss the next one and hope to see both 
of you as well as meet many
 more new cousins.I do love extended family!


 


Take some pictures,


Nancy Jean

 


 




Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:39:19 -0600

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!

From: mari...@jmtmlt.com

To: azores@googlegroups.com


 

Nancy so sorry you will not be at the conference this year. I was looking 
forward to seeing you again, since I missed last year. 

 


I also believe we are related and was looking forward to checking that out with 
you.


 


Marilyn



 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:


​Nancy, I am disappointed that you will no be able to attend this year! We will 
get together one of these times. LOL
​I'm really surprised that so many of our attendees are returning people but I 
guess they just like to be with all the rest of the crazy Portuguese 
researchers!
 We so enjoy them all, be they beginner or have been researching for years. 
It's nice to have people come who have been researching for a long time because 
they always have knowledge to impart to us all, Cheri and I included! We will 
miss you Prima! 


 

















Rosemarie



rcap...@gmail.com


Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,


Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily












 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:17 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:


Hi Cheri,

 


I'm so disappointed I can't go this

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Rosemarie,
I'd like to read these.perhaps my library would have themcan you give 
the dates or are there too many?
Nancy Jean

From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:26:51 +







Well, leave it to me to mis-understand.  Ah, well… 😊 Sam in Maz

Sent from Windows Mail
From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎10‎, ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎14‎ ‎AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Thanks Sam, but I wanted to give them to anyone who might like to keep the 
books! They are very nice articles, especially the one about the Portuguese in 
New England. I would just bring them (or mail them to Marilyn!) and give them 
away! 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:






Rosemarie;  Please excuse me for butting in here but; perhaps, you can scan the 
articles into your laptop or photocopy the pages of the articles you want.  
That way you don't have to take the magazines themselves.  Just a thought, Sam 
in Maz

Sent from Windows Mail
From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎10‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎37‎ ‎AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Nancy & Marilyn, 
Maybe Marilyn and I will be able to find the connection once we meet in SLC. I 
connect with quite a few of Marilyn's people so we have a good chance of making 
the connection! So sorry that we can't all be together but, as you say, maybe 
next time. Marilyn, would you write to me at rcap...@gmail.com? I was thinking 
of bringing some of the old National Geo's that have articles about the 
Azores/Portuguese but don't want to carry them, maybe mail them to you to 
bring??? 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:13 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:



Thank you cousins, Rosemarie and Marilyn,
I spent a few sleepless nights trying to figure out how to be in two places at 
once...alas, just couldn't figure it out.
Please, set the date for the next one as early as possible! At this point in my 
life long term plans work best! I won't miss the next one and hope to see both 
of you as well as meet many more new cousins.I do love extended family!
Take some pictures,Nancy Jean



Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:39:19 -0600
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!
From: mari...@jmtmlt.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy so sorry you will not be at the conference this year. I was looking 
forward to seeing you again, since I missed last year. 
I also believe we are related and was looking forward to checking that out with 
you.
Marilyn
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
​Nancy, I am disappointed that you will no be able to attend this year! We will 
get together one of these times. LOL ​I'm really surprised that so many of our 
attendees are returning people but I guess they just like to be with all the 
rest of the crazy Portuguese researchers! We so enjoy them all, be they 
beginner or have been researching for years. It's nice to have people come who 
have been researching for a long time because they always have knowledge to 
impart to us all, Cheri and I included! We will miss you Prima! 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:17 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:



Hi Cheri,
I'm so disappointed I can't go this year! Family issues prevent me leaving 
during that time! I learned so much when I went and enjoyed being with so many 
other Azoreans!
Please let us know the date of the next one well in advance so I can make a 
long range plan!
Have a great conference,
Nancy Jean

From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 09:51:28 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research Trip 
in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!
To: Azores@googlegroups.com; prt-made...@rootsweb.com; 
islandrou...@googlegroups.com

P.S.  Someone asked when is next year's.  We won't be having another one for 18 
- 24 months.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)

Today is the day you need to have your hotel room booked  (To get the rate 
of stay 3, get the 4th free).  Conference fees are due in a couple of more 
weeks.  Here is the announcement if anyone missed it.

Our Azores Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake City on April 
7-10, 2015 is approaching! 

Our
 first de

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you cousins, Rosemarie and Marilyn,
I spent a few sleepless nights trying to figure out how to be in two places at 
once...alas, just couldn't figure it out.
Please, set the date for the next one as early as possible! At this point in my 
life long term plans work best! I won't miss the next one and hope to see both 
of you as well as meet many more new cousins.I do love extended family!
Take some pictures,Nancy Jean



Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:39:19 -0600
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research 
Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!
From: mari...@jmtmlt.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy so sorry you will not be at the conference this year. I was looking 
forward to seeing you again, since I missed last year. 
I also believe we are related and was looking forward to checking that out with 
you.
Marilyn
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
​Nancy, I am disappointed that you will no be able to attend this year! We will 
get together one of these times. LOL ​I'm really surprised that so many of our 
attendees are returning people but I guess they just like to be with all the 
rest of the crazy Portuguese researchers! We so enjoy them all, be they 
beginner or have been researching for years. It's nice to have people come who 
have been researching for a long time because they always have knowledge to 
impart to us all, Cheri and I included! We will miss you Prima! 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:17 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:



Hi Cheri,
I'm so disappointed I can't go this year! Family issues prevent me leaving 
during that time! I learned so much when I went and enjoyed being with so many 
other Azoreans!
Please let us know the date of the next one well in advance so I can make a 
long range plan!
Have a great conference,
Nancy Jean

From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 09:51:28 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research Trip 
in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!
To: Azores@googlegroups.com; prt-made...@rootsweb.com; 
islandrou...@googlegroups.com

P.S.  Someone asked when is next year's.  We won't be having another one for 18 
- 24 months.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)

Today is the day you need to have your hotel room booked  (To get the rate 
of stay 3, get the 4th free).  Conference fees are due in a couple of more 
weeks.  Here is the announcement if anyone missed it.

Our Azores Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake City on April 
7-10, 2015 is approaching! 

Our
 first deadline is the hotel rooms.  One month before the conference, 
the hotel releases any unsold rooms out of our block.  I was able to 
secure the "stay 3 nights get the 4th free" genealogy deal.  Once we 
sell out our block of rooms, you will pay the group rate of $89 or so a 
night (need to confirm that price with the sales director).  The rooms 
are going quickly!

THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOTEL IS TODAY AT 11:59 PM MDT!!

Registration and hotel information for the Plaza Hotel can be found here:
goo.gl/zHFvJl

Looking forward to meeting many of you in Salt Lake!

Cheri, Rosemarie, and João
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)

Our Azores Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake City on April 
7-10, 2015 is approaching! 

Our first deadline is the hotel rooms.  One month before the conference, the 
hotel releases any unsold rooms out of our block.  I was able to secure the 
"stay 3 nights get the 4th free" genealogy deal.  Once we sell out our block of 
rooms, you will pay the group rate of $89 or so a night (need to confirm that 
price with the sales director).  The rooms are going quickly!

THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOTEL IS THIS FRIDAY, MARCH 6TH!!!

Registration and hotel information for the Plaza Hotel can be found here:
goo.gl/zHFvJl

Looking forward to meeting many of you in Salt Lake!

Cheri, Rosemarie, and João



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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Where would I find Passportes for Graciosa

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi E,
I would guess Angra for the passport but Horta isn't too far.
I don't know about a taxi but some friends of ours stayed in a windmill tourist 
lodging last year and thought it was very nice.
Nancy Jean

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 11:47:30 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Where would I find Passportes for Graciosa
From: bellema...@gmail.com
To: Azores@googlegroups.com

Which port would passengers from Graciosa ca 1900 leave from to the US?
Also, do you need a taxi driver to take you around the island, if so, any names 
appreciated?
Thank you.
"E"




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research Trip in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Cheri,
I'm so disappointed I can't go this year! Family issues prevent me leaving 
during that time! I learned so much when I went and enjoyed being with so many 
other Azoreans!
Please let us know the date of the next one well in advance so I can make a 
long range plan!
Have a great conference,
Nancy Jean

From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 09:51:28 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Genealogical Conference & Research Trip 
in Salt Lake City: Hotel deadline approaching!
To: Azores@googlegroups.com; prt-made...@rootsweb.com; 
islandrou...@googlegroups.com

P.S.  Someone asked when is next year's.  We won't be having another one for 18 
- 24 months.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)

Today is the day you need to have your hotel room booked  (To get the rate 
of stay 3, get the 4th free).  Conference fees are due in a couple of more 
weeks.  Here is the announcement if anyone missed it.

Our Azores Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake City on April 
7-10, 2015 is approaching! 

Our
 first deadline is the hotel rooms.  One month before the conference, 
the hotel releases any unsold rooms out of our block.  I was able to 
secure the "stay 3 nights get the 4th free" genealogy deal.  Once we 
sell out our block of rooms, you will pay the group rate of $89 or so a 
night (need to confirm that price with the sales director).  The rooms 
are going quickly!

THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOTEL IS TODAY AT 11:59 PM MDT!!

Registration and hotel information for the Plaza Hotel can be found here:
goo.gl/zHFvJl

Looking forward to meeting many of you in Salt Lake!

Cheri, Rosemarie, and João
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)

Our Azores Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake City on April 
7-10, 2015 is approaching! 

Our first deadline is the hotel rooms.  One month before the conference, the 
hotel releases any unsold rooms out of our block.  I was able to secure the 
"stay 3 nights get the 4th free" genealogy deal.  Once we sell out our block of 
rooms, you will pay the group rate of $89 or so a night (need to confirm that 
price with the sales director).  The rooms are going quickly!

THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOTEL IS THIS FRIDAY, MARCH 6TH!!!

Registration and hotel information for the Plaza Hotel can be found here:
goo.gl/zHFvJl

Looking forward to meeting many of you in Salt Lake!

Cheri, Rosemarie, and João



-- 
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Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada



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Achada





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manoel Soares Coelho

[nancy jean baptiste]

Sam,
Tough to read but it looks to me like Bernardina married Manoel on 5-17-1906 
and then one of them died Aug. 3rd, 1942butI'm not sure and someone 
else will have to clarify it for you.
Best to you!
Nancy Jean

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manoel Soares Coelho
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 17:47:11 +







Hello all;  I need help reading the sidebar on this one.  I can read something 
about Manoel Soares Coelho and the date of 17 May 1906 in Sao Pedro but; that’s 
about it.  Many thanks in advance, your help is much appreciated,   Sam in 
Centro Maz

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P148.html





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?

[nancy jean baptiste]

Diane,
Someone else will see better than I dohowever, it looks like it (the 
baptism) was in the casa of a Capitao ? Aguada Roquebut.I'm just not 
sure. Sorry!
Nancy Jean

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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:51:16 -0800

Maybe the names I think I am seeing, e.g. Agada, are the godparents. Thanks for 
the help. Diane From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:49 PM
To: azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel? Hi Diane, It looks 
like Isabel was baptized in the casa..I just see one child baptized in the 
record. The one directly above it is for twins. Nancy JeanFrom: 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:31:22 -0800Hi, I am having trouble figuring out the 
baptism record at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622_item1/P142.html
 According to the NEPS database, Isabel was born on 1 Aug 1618 and is the child 
of Manuel Martins Cardoso and Leonor Ferreira. 
(http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=en;p=isabel;n=ferreira;oc=1)
 I am fairly sure that this record is from 1 Aug 1618 and that Isabel is named 
in it, but it looks like more than one person was baptized or something else 
that I can’t figure out. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Diane,
It looks like Isabel was baptized in the casa..I just see one child 
baptized in the record. The one directly above it is for twins.
Nancy Jean

From: digeorg...@hotmail.com
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:31:22 -0800

Hi, I am having trouble figuring out the baptism record at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622_item1/P142.html
 According to the NEPS database, Isabel was born on 1 Aug 1618 and is the child 
of Manuel Martins Cardoso and Leonor Ferreira. 
(http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=en;p=isabel;n=ferreira;oc=1)
 I am fairly sure that this record is from 1 Aug 1618 and that Isabel is named 
in it, but it looks like more than one person was baptized or something else 
that I can’t figure out. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with final brick wall please.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you Eric!

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:11:09 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with final brick wall please.
From: noblankt...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy, 
The Horta Passport does show he is intending to leave on the Paladin. Follow 
the ditto marks from the top.
 You  have been looking at the Box labeled Sabe Escrever- know how to write. 
Nao, no he doesn't
Eric 
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:01 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
Nancy, 
here you go.
Eric 
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:16 AM, nancy jean baptiste 
 wrote:



Thanks E and Eric,
I was unable to use the ancestry link...wanted a password. The Paladin? The 
Horta passport abbreviation looks like a N O L? Maybe he went on a different 
boat. At one point I saw a site that listed arriving shipsit wasn't through 
ancestryI thought I bookmarked it but I can't find it.is there such a 
site? I remember looking at it when I found my other brick wall.
I'd like to see the other passengers.perhaps the "Bettencourt" woman was 
traveling with him since he has that name on both maternal and paternal sides!
Barbara, it's always exciting to see an ancestors name.alas, there are so 
many with the same names! Good luck with yours!
I appreciate everyone's helpI couldn't sleep last night since thoughts of 
this discovery put my mind in a "tizzy"!
Nancy Jean
From: bamecklenb...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with final brick wall please.
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:24:41 -0700








Nancy,
 
When I first saw your email I thought, at 
last someone who knows about Joseph Victorino (Vitorino Jose)! But I guess it 
was a different one. From what I could find the one I am looking for was born 
Feb 25, 1832 in Angústias, Horta, Faial, Azores. His father was Vitorino Jose 
dos Reis and mother was Mariana Luisa Candida. He did settle in New Bedford. 
But 
my relatives say it was New Bedford, New Jersey. I haven't verified that 
yet.  He supposedly came over to America with his older brother, Antonio 
Victorino in 1859.
 
~Barbara

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  jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 3:57 
  PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 
  final brick wall please.
  

  For years I've tried to find my great grandfather, Jose Enos 
  Vetorino, he used many names in his records in New Bedford.he said his 
  father's name was Thome Oliveira...he also said Vieira, Enos and 
  Bettencourt...the constant was his mothers name, Anna Joaquina and that he 
was 
  born in Sao Jorge in 1863I've searched all villages for 1863 and never 
saw 
  him.the Horta passports opened the door for me once again.
  

  I found him, Jose Ignacio Victorino. I need some help identifying the 
  ship he came on since it's abbreviated and I can't tell what it says.
  

  Horta Passports1876-1889page 0139he's # 571...the ship is 
  "Nol?"...I'd like to find him on a ships listthe passports gave his 
  village as Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge. I found his baptism.he was born in 
  1862His father is Thome de Oliveira and his mother, Anna Joaquinna de 
  Betencurt!
  

  Thank you for any help with the ship name.
  

  Nancy Jean
  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with final brick wall please.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks E and Eric,
I was unable to use the ancestry link...wanted a password. The Paladin? The 
Horta passport abbreviation looks like a N O L? Maybe he went on a different 
boat. At one point I saw a site that listed arriving shipsit wasn't through 
ancestryI thought I bookmarked it but I can't find it.is there such a 
site? I remember looking at it when I found my other brick wall.
I'd like to see the other passengers.perhaps the "Bettencourt" woman was 
traveling with him since he has that name on both maternal and paternal sides!
Barbara, it's always exciting to see an ancestors name.alas, there are so 
many with the same names! Good luck with yours!
I appreciate everyone's helpI couldn't sleep last night since thoughts of 
this discovery put my mind in a "tizzy"!
Nancy Jean
From: bamecklenb...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with final brick wall please.
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:24:41 -0700








Nancy,
 
When I first saw your email I thought, at 
last someone who knows about Joseph Victorino (Vitorino Jose)! But I guess it 
was a different one. From what I could find the one I am looking for was born 
Feb 25, 1832 in Angústias, Horta, Faial, Azores. His father was Vitorino Jose 
dos Reis and mother was Mariana Luisa Candida. He did settle in New Bedford. 
But 
my relatives say it was New Bedford, New Jersey. I haven't verified that 
yet.  He supposedly came over to America with his older brother, Antonio 
Victorino in 1859.
 
~Barbara

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  nancy 
  jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 3:57 
  PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 
  final brick wall please.
  

  For years I've tried to find my great grandfather, Jose Enos 
  Vetorino, he used many names in his records in New Bedford.he said his 
  father's name was Thome Oliveira...he also said Vieira, Enos and 
  Bettencourt...the constant was his mothers name, Anna Joaquina and that he 
was 
  born in Sao Jorge in 1863I've searched all villages for 1863 and never 
saw 
  him.the Horta passports opened the door for me once again.
  

  I found him, Jose Ignacio Victorino. I need some help identifying the 
  ship he came on since it's abbreviated and I can't tell what it says.
  

  Horta Passports1876-1889page 0139he's # 571...the ship is 
  "Nol?"...I'd like to find him on a ships listthe passports gave his 
  village as Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge. I found his baptism.he was born in 
  1862His father is Thome de Oliveira and his mother, Anna Joaquinna de 
  Betencurt!
  

  Thank you for any help with the ship name.
  

  Nancy Jean
  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[nancy jean baptiste]

Eddieso sorry! You're right...it's 1836! Bleary eyed in Arkansas!
Nancy

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:22:23 -0800
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CC: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

1832? Boy did I total mess that up! I thought it said 1836. Only off by 4 
years. 
Thanks for the help. 

On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 12:01:19 PM UTC-5, nancy jean baptiste wrote:


Hi Eddie,
Manuel, born Nov. 5, 1832... legit son of Manuel Cardoso Gonsalves and Maria do 
Espirito Santo.of Santa Lucia?..paternal grandparents, Manuel Cardoso 
Goncalves and Maria Catherinamaternal, Domingos Pereira Coelho and Maria do 
Espirito Santo.padrinhos, Joze and Ritachildren of Domingos.
It looks to me like they're all from Santa Luciasomeone else will have to 
clarify that though since Calheta de nesquim is on the other side and end of 
the island.
Nancy Jean

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:37:58 -0800
From: avided...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

Hi everyone,
I could use some assistance translating the record for Manuel son of Manuel 
Cardoza in the bottom right that goes onto the next page.
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-CALHETANESQUIM-B-1825-1848/PIC-LJ-CALHETANESQUIM-B-1825-1848_item1/P154.html

I believe this could possibly be my 2x great grandfather on my great 
grandmother side. 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Eddie,
Manuel, born Nov. 5, 1832... legit son of Manuel Cardoso Gonsalves and Maria do 
Espirito Santo.of Santa Lucia?..paternal grandparents, Manuel Cardoso 
Goncalves and Maria Catherinamaternal, Domingos Pereira Coelho and Maria do 
Espirito Santo.padrinhos, Joze and Ritachildren of Domingos.
It looks to me like they're all from Santa Luciasomeone else will have to 
clarify that though since Calheta de nesquim is on the other side and end of 
the island.
Nancy Jean

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:37:58 -0800
From: avidedito...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

Hi everyone,
I could use some assistance translating the record for Manuel son of Manuel 
Cardoza in the bottom right that goes onto the next page.
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-CALHETANESQUIM-B-1825-1848/PIC-LJ-CALHETANESQUIM-B-1825-1848_item1/P154.html

I believe this could possibly be my 2x great grandfather on my great 
grandmother side. 
Thanks,Eddie Machado




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with final brick wall please.

[nancy jean baptiste]

For years I've tried to find my great grandfather, Jose Enos Vetorino, he used 
many names in his records in New Bedford.he said his father's name was 
Thome Oliveira...he also said Vieira, Enos and Bettencourt...the constant was 
his mothers name, Anna Joaquina and that he was born in Sao Jorge in 
1863I've searched all villages for 1863 and never saw him.the Horta 
passports opened the door for me once again.
I found him, Jose Ignacio Victorino. I need some help identifying the ship he 
came on since it's abbreviated and I can't tell what it says.
Horta Passports1876-1889page 0139he's # 571...the ship is 
"Nol?"...I'd like to find him on a ships listthe passports gave his village 
as Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge. I found his baptism.he was born in 1862His 
father is Thome de Oliveira and his mother, Anna Joaquinna de Betencurt!
Thank you for any help with the ship name.
Nancy Jean

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Casamentos

[nancy jean baptiste]

Paul the record on the left: Line 17 the groom, Ignacio Jose is a widower so 
his parents aren't listed, just his deceased wife, MariAnna R/P?antista?
line 20 & 21, is marrying Maria Jacinta, filha/daughter of R/P?antista? Jose de 
Andrade.
Nancy Jean

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:14:49 -0800
From: pagome...@comcast.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Casamentos

I know this record is not the one I am looking for. As I stated in my original 
post it is a smple record for anyone that responds. I do not see where the 
couple getting married are listed, nor do I see the word filho or filha 
followed by their parents names. This was the fourth of fifth record that I was 
looking at that I could not find this information so I asked for help using 
this record knowing it was not the correct one. It seemed to be formatted 
differently from what I have seen on later records from other islands. Paul G.
Paul, This record is for Ingacio Jose widower of Maria Anna Francisca TO Maria 
Jacinta dau of Francisco Jose de Andrade & Francisca Rosa so they are not the 
ones you are looking for. 
You need to see the phrase that the Priest has underlined, which is infacia 
Ecclesia, and after that is the name of the groom and the notation "viuvo" 
which means widower and his place of birth then the bride and her parents. 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Paul  wrote:
My 4x great grandparents are Jose Ignacio de Andrade and Barbara Jacintha. They 
had (at least) two sons Bernardino Jose de Andrade b: 1819 and Francisco b: 
1821. I am trying to find thier casamento. Hopefully it will list their ages so 
I can get a rough estimate as to when they were born. The son's baptismo 
records show the grandparents as Jose de Andrade & Francisca Roza, and 
Boaventura Jose & Francisca Roza. I believe all of them are from Almagreira 
area of Sao Pedro since the Almagreira record do not begin until 1903. Paul G.
On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 11:55:11 AM UTC-5, nancy jean baptiste wrote:


These are beautiful but hard records to see...however, toward the last 1/3 the 
name of the couple and parent's are there. Do you have a particular record 
you're looking at.
Nancy Jean,Santa Maria...Andrade, Moreira, Cabral, Coelho and others.

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:44:34 -0800
From: pago...@comcast.net
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Casamentos

I am currently trying to find my 4x great grandparents casamentos on the Ilha 
Santa Maria. The records are structured differently. I see a lot of names, 
including the priests that officiated the wedding. What I do not see are the 
participants names followed by filho or filha and their parents names. The link 
below is a sample record that I hope someone can point out what I need to look 
for - the names of the couple getting married and their parents names (I was 
looking at the left record). 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1798-1835/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1798-1835_item1/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1798-1835_JPG/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1798-1835_0032.jpg
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Casamentos

[nancy jean baptiste]

These are beautiful but hard records to see...however, toward the last 1/3 the 
name of the couple and parent's are there. Do you have a particular record 
you're looking at.
Nancy Jean,Santa Maria...Andrade, Moreira, Cabral, Coelho and others.

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:44:34 -0800
From: pagome...@comcast.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria Casamentos

I am currently trying to find my 4x great grandparents casamentos on the Ilha 
Santa Maria. The records are structured differently. I see a lot of names, 
including the priests that officiated the wedding. What I do not see are the 
participants names followed by filho or filha and their parents names. The link 
below is a sample record that I hope someone can point out what I need to look 
for - the names of the couple getting married and their parents names (I was 
looking at the left record). 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1798-1835/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1798-1835_item1/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1798-1835_JPG/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1798-1835_0032.jpg
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Study on Sub-Saharan African Admixture in Europeans and Middle Easterners

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Antonio. 
That's interesting...I'll see which chromosome mine and U.J's  are on.
Nancy Jean

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:38:50 -0800
From: antoniof1...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Study on Sub-Saharan African Admixture in 
Europeans and Middle Easterners

 
There has been an academic study done looking at the maternal lineages of 
Macronesia(Azores,Madeira,Canary Islands and Cape Verde) I believe the average 
for the Azores for Mtdna with origins in Sub-Sahara Africa was 3.4%, paternal 
lineages with origins in Sub-Sahara Africa in the Azores are extremely rare I 
believe only one example has been found, using that as a guideline you would 
expect an average of 1.7% of the Azorean genome to have origins in Sub-Saharn 
Africa. I don't believe that result is far off. It is corroborated by  
myorigins results that are coming in, many people are not showing 1% or higher 
which is my case but when I use the Gedmatch calculators it definetely is 
present especially when I look at my 22 Chromosomes in detail.
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Study on Sub-Saharan African Admixture in Europeans and Middle Easterners

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Mary,
Both my uncle and I are showing Hazda..small %'s. Me slightly higher than 
his. Within the Ethio helix k10 for middle east admixture, my Hazda is 1.28% 
and Uncle John is 1.15%. Very interesting that you've met this group!
These admixture charts fascinate me!
Nancy Jean

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:44:06 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Study on Sub-Saharan African Admixture in 
Europeans and Middle Easterners
From: busybo...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I have indicators showing some North African DNA. What was interesting to me 
was the Hazda people in the population list. 
There are no indications that I have that DNA, but I happened to visit these 
hunter gatherers when I was in Tanzania a few years ago. A very interesting 
people whose language includes click sounds. I'm glad to see this population 
has been studied. Rhey are losing their territory to other uses.

We also visited the Iraqw. They are supposed to be more closely related to (or 
descended from) more northerly people. I think DNA study is going to answer a 
lot of questions and pose many more. 
Sorry if this is off topic.
Mary


On Thursday, January 22, 2015, A Faria  wrote:
Your welcome,
On Gedmatch I have looked at my mothers East African that myorigins assigns her 
it isn't all East African some is West African although she has more East 
African the same with my daughter she has both but in her case slightly more 
West African. I think some of the East African is likely admixture from Jewish 
ancestry that myorigins isn't able to pick up yet I expect that to change when 
they have their Sephardic Jewish Diaspora ready. Ftdna is testing Sephardic 
Jews in Israel that were from Salonika Greece and Izmir Turkey two communities 
that received a substantial amount of  New Christians from Portugal(forcibly 
converted Jews) in the 1600's these people converted back to Judaism in Greece 
and Turkey. It is possible some may also come from Ethiopia there was a huge 
effort by the Portuguese to convert the Coptic Christians there into 
Catholicism with many Portuguese missionaries also there was  mixed community 
there started with about 200 Portuguese soldiers marrying Ethiopian women 
likely from the Tigray tribe. Those people at one point were kicked out the 
mtDNA M1 haplogroups in the Azores group look like they may be from there.


  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Study on Sub-Saharan African Admixture in Europeans and Middle Easterners

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Antonio,
Thanks for the article...it was quite timely for me since I've been on Gedmatch 
looking at my admixture information. Within my Middle Eastern there are links 
to several areas of Africa.
Nancy jean 

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:08:40 -0800
From: antoniof1...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Study on Sub-Saharan African Admixture in Europeans 
and Middle Easterners

Hello,
 
This study is a few years old but I hadn't noticed it before. I have noticed 
that it isn't unusual for some of my family finder matches to have between 1-3% 
African DNA I am referring to West African and East African not North African 
DNA. My mother has myorigins results show 2% East African and my daughter 1% 
West African,  I was assuming like some others that I have communicated with 
that the admixture was related to slavery in the Azores, although that may be 
so in some cases we can't assume that because according to the findings of the 
study Sub-Saharan African DNA was present in Southern European and Jewish 
populations already I think this article addresses that really well. 
 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110524153536.htm
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Gedmatch kit#

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings,
I've been using Gedmatch the last week and have begun to really enjoy the tools 
available for admixture information. I have tiny bits of admixture in my Middle 
Eastern segments that are very intriguing..my primary European H3 admixture 
is also very interestingso much yet to discover and interpret in this learn 
as I go process. 
I've been using my kit# f84748 and my paternal uncle, John Baptiste, kit# 
f184472 to discern differences in my father and mother's DNA admixture. What I 
discovered were many similarities that raised questions.  Then I discovered 
another available tool.to compare my parents. 
In 2009, a year before my mother died, I noticed the Silveira surname used by 
both of my parent's lines on Sao Jorge. My mother's used it in the de Lemos and 
Machado line's from Rosais/Velas and my dad's line had the Silveira Leonardes 
from Topo. I told my mom that my intuition told me they were connected somehow 
and were cousins. 
The Gedmatch tool showed, yes, they are cousins with a shared total segment of 
9.3 and had a common ancestor 6 generations ago. My mom would have enjoyed the 
affirmation via the "science" tool. Now to follow the trail on paper. I have a 
long way to go.
I wish there were better reference maps built into the site tools for clear 
understanding of exactly what areas geographically define what admixture 
name...ie: Beringian, Hazda, North Europe etc. Some of the tools have maps but 
one big admixture map would be helpful. 
It's easy to upload your FTDNA info and easy to compare with others and 
navigate the site tools.
Now off to the chromosome colored graphs
Nancy Jean
  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport Record # 217 (1887) for Isabel dos Santos Simas - translate who she is traveling with...

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Evee,
isabel is traveling with her 4 children and her mother, Marianna dos santos, 77 
yrs. They're from Sao Roque, I can't tell if it's Santo Amaro, Santo Antonio or 
Santa Ana.someone else will tell you.
Nancy Jean

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:25:28 -0800
From: ejki...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport Record # 217 (1887) for Isabel dos Santos 
Simas - translate who she is traveling with...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889_item1/P208.html

This is the link to the passport record of my great grandmother Isabel dos 
Santos Simas.
I can't make out some of the words in the column that explains who she is 
traveling with.
I'm curious if she is traveling with her mother, Marianna dos Santos.  I see 
that name in the note.
It appears that she is traveling with her children, Manuel, Maria, and Adelaide 
and maybe Antone.  Manuel is the oldest child.  He would have been about 8, 
Maria about 6 & Adelaide about 2.  Antone, who would have been about 4.
Antone may be in this note, but I can't tell.
Anyway, I need some help this part of the passport record.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA test

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Al,
You'll be notified as will the admins when your results are posted. You'll be 
given directions showing you how to view your results online. If you need help 
one or more of the admins will help you. This could take several weeks or more 
depending on how busy the lab is processing results from the recent sale. 
Exciting discoveries to be made and well worth the wait!
Nancy Jean Baptista
FTDNA Azores Project Administrator

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:51:40 -0500
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA test
To: Azores@googlegroups.com






Cheri
I mailed back my DNA test today. How long does it take to do? Do I go 
online to see the results? 
 
Al 
Sequeira




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obito for Escolastica Maria do Espirito Santo

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Hi Paul,
This is a difficult record to understand. To me it appears Obit for Maria, 
married to Bernardinho Jose de Arruda, July 3, 1848, received sacrament of 
Penance and Extreme Unction. Then it says something about her husband and then 
it says" has 28 years of life."/28 yrs old.
You'll need others to weigh in on understanding what this is saying.
Nancy Jean

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 12:20:31 -0800
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obito for Escolastica Maria do Espirito Santo

I have found what I hope is my GGG Grandmother Escolastica Maria do Espirito 
Santo obito. It look like she died on 3 July 1848? Other than the names and the 
month I am having a hard time reading this obito. Record is on the left. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1840-1850/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1840-1850_item1/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1840-1850_JPG/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1840-1850_0169.jpg
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall comes crashing down thanks to CCA Horta passports

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks Tish,
Maybe someday cousins will meet at the Azores Conference! Our connections all 
grow stronger among the group as more and more people are testing.
Your help meant more than you know!
Hugs cousin,Nancy Jean


From: tish.me...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 13:07:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall comes crashing down thanks to CCA 
Horta passports
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy,The pleasure was ours. I always enjoy finding DNA matches. Santa Maria is 
such a small island that given enough information, especially if there is a DNA 
match, sooner or later the brick walls tumble.I'm as happy as you are, 
cousin.Tish
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:55 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:



Thanks "E",
You opened my very first door! You've helped so many of us over the years!

Hugs,Nancy Jean

> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 11:15:10 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall comes crashing down thanks to CCA 
> Horta passports
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> Congratulations, Nancy Jean.  I know this has been a long journey for
> you.  Perservance pays off.  Sounds like your new year is off to a
> great start.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall comes crashing down thanks to CCA Horta passports

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Thanks "E",
You opened my very first door! You've helped so many of us over the years!

Hugs,Nancy Jean

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> Horta passports
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> To: azores@googlegroups.com
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> Congratulations, Nancy Jean.  I know this has been a long journey for
> you.  Perservance pays off.  Sounds like your new year is off to a
> great start.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall comes crashing down thanks to CCA Horta passports

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Hi there,
Cheri, you're rightI've been working on finding my 8 ggreat grandparents 
from Pico, Sao Jorge and Santa Maria for over 10 years and I usually work on it 
several days a week. For the first 4 years I worked on it daily for many hours 
a day. After "E" helped me find Antonio Teixeira Baptistawho's only name I 
knew was Antone Baptiste and then finding him in the CCA baptisms for TOPO, I 
was totally committed to finding them all.I only have one brick wall left, 
my ggreat grandfather from Sao Jorge, Joseph Veterino/Jose Enos, Bettencourt, 
Vieira, Oliveira.he's a mystery man although I have some clues and an 
intuitive sense that several of my Family Finder matches connect with him.
Rosemarie, I love that we're cousins and although our DNA tells us that we 
still have discoveries to make.I like looking at our "in common" matches on 
FF for clues since we have several in common. Although, Rosa Luiza is from 
Lajes do Pico, I do have ancestry in my Sao Jorge line that goes back to 
Flamengos, FaialDomingos de Abreu whose son moved to Sao Jorge, married and 
changed his surname to that of his wife's family...the de Quadros family.
Who knows..we have several areas we could connect.I have to live a long 
time to discover all I want to discover.and now DNA has not only provided 
clues but opened doors to many other areas to learn and discover new things! 
Thanks to the many people in the group who have helped me along the 
way...especially, last yearDenis and Tish Meals whose years of work 
extracting Santa Maria records found how Tish and I were cousinsFFinder 
matched her to my uncle John Baptiste although not to me.took us back to 
our 6th ggrandparent,  Dona Maria do Santo Antonio, born in Sao Lourenco and 
married to Capitao Mauricio de Sousa Meneses around 1681. They broke my brick 
wall behind my 4th ggrandfather, Francisco Ventura Moreira..can't thank 
them enough! This was also a great example of testing the oldest person you 
canTish matched my 91 year old paternal unclenot me.
Nancy Jean

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:31:03 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall comes crashing down thanks to CCA 
Horta passports
From: rcap...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

This is so great, Nancy! According to Igor Espinola Franca's book of Sao 
Roque do Pico, one of my lines came from Faial! Maybe that's where we connect 
not in Pico at all. The only trouble is, it's way before the marriage records 
start and they don't show in Familias da Faialenses! Oh well, we know the DNA 
shows the conenctions, Prima! 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
Great story!  The pieces are starting to fall into place.

Nancy Jean has been working on her family for how many years before finding 
this breakthrough?  Many,  many years!

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall comes crashing down thanks to CCA Horta passports

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All I knew about my ggrandmother was that her name was Rosa Luiza and that she 
was from Pico. My mom told me she was brought over at age 15 to marry my 
ggrandfather, Joseph Perry/jose de Sousa Pereira, in 1866 and that she was so 
tall he tried to decline but she said she'd come to marry him and marry him she 
wouldthey had a long, happy life together and 11 children.
On the documents for their marriage her parents are only listed as Manuel and 
Hannah..I figured it was Anna
Shortly before my mom died she gave me a bunch of old family pictures and a 
letter from a cousin who was the grandaughter of Rosa Luiza's sister. In the 
letter she said that her grandmother was older than Rosa and that their last 
name was "Gracia"she mentioned that she remembered there being a couple of 
sisters left on Pico by the names, Rosalie and Genevive.
My mom remembered hearing Rosa Luiza talk about Madelena. When the CCA baptisms 
for Pico came on line I started my search in Madelena based on the idea she was 
"around" 15 when she came over in 1866. I had already searched all of CITCEM 
for Manuel Gracia married to Annanone anywhere.
Meanwhile, I've had very many Family Finder matches that point to Pico but not 
to my Candelaria family which I have well documented...Candelaria is my 
fathers maternal line.
The CCA Horta passports solved the mystery. I knew she came in 1866 before he 
marriage the 1st of Nov. I found her in May.it said she was 17it said 
she was from Lajes..(many of my FF matches were from Lajes). I went to 
Lajes baptisms for 1849 and found her in May! Born May 17 to Manuel GARCIA 
MANCEBO JR. and Anna Luiza.went back to CITCEM and found Manuel Garcia 
Mancebo JR with wife Anna and 8 children including Rosa, Rosalinda and Genoveva!
Happy, happy, happy!
Thanks again CCA for giving me the means to find my people and their history!
Now to try those FF matches again!
Nancy Jean BaptistaPico, Sao Jorge and Santa Maria  
  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas, Feliz Natal, Boas Festas thread

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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you!  May 2015 bring great health 
and a wealth of new discoveries to all in our extended Azorean family!
Nancy Jean Baptista
Pico, Sao Jorge and Santa Maria

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:12:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas, Feliz Natal, Boas Festas thread
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Merry Christmas to all and to all a good New Year!! Thanks to all of the 
'elves' that have helped with their genealogy help all year long. Rosemarie 
rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, 
Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:07 AM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
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Happy Holidays to all and may 2015 be your breakthrough year!Celeste Celeste 
Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com 

 On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:46 AM, 'João Ventura' via Azores 
Genealogy  wrote:


 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! João VenturaTerceiraEnviado do meu 
iPhoneNo dia 24/12/2014, às 17:36, "E. Sharp"  
escreveu:Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house, not a 
creature was stirring, excepting a mouse named “E” who wishes all the wonderful 
people on this great list a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NS Estrela Marriage 1814 help

[nancy jean baptiste]

Rick,
My great grandfather, was Jose de Sousa Pereira Mancebo, son of Antonio de 
Sousa Pereira. It's my understanding that the name could also have been from an 
extended family member.
Nancy Jean

Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:22:22 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NS Estrela Marriage 1814 help
From: pamsanto...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I think this was discussed before and someone said it meant Junior. So yes his 
father would be Senior with same name.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:I was looking at a record I had found 
several years ago and see something which I did not notice when I first saw it 
on micro film. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828_item1/P37.html
  Left side. After the grooms fathers name is what looks like “mancebo” I found 
one translation which is young or youth but that does not make sense. Could it 
mean that the grooms father father’s name is also Manuel da Silva? Or a literal 
translation would be “Manuel da Silva the younger deceased”?   Rick Richard 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting baptism - people from Holland in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel island

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Cheri,
Yes, a full name for this 25 year old man who is going to be baptized. Maybe he 
needs it to marry.
Oddly enough, I came across a record last night in Madalena, Pico baptisms, 
1844-1856, page 0054..
Scipiao, homen preto/black man, 18years, natural of S? d' Africa, 
creado/servant of Antonio Garcia FialhoI can't read it all but he also is 
somehow attached to Faial.
Nancy Jean

From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:14:13 -0800
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting baptism - people from Holland in Ponta 
Delgada, Sao Miguel island
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The following record was called to my attention.
Joao on the right
http://goo.gl/NmjJmQ

I swear it's giving a FULL name for the baby.  I'm confused as to who is 25 
years old.  I'm kinda thinking this may be an adult baptism and Joao is not a 
baby.

Thoughts?
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. Carmel Church New Bedford - St. John Records

[nancy jean baptiste]

No, it was awhile back and it was for a marriage from Mt. Carmel.
Nancy

> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:13:26 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. Carmel Church New Bedford - St. John 
> Records
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> Thank you both for you input.  Nancy, did you order St. John's records
> from Mt. Carmel?
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] myorigins results

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Antonio,
My paternal uncle, John Cardoza Baptiste is a FF match to your mother, Maria 
Faria, 39.00 shared cm as a 3rd to 5th cousin. She does not show as a match to 
me. On this line we are from Pico, Sao Jorge and Santa Maria.
Regards,Nancy Jean Baptista 

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:34:18 -0800
From: antoniof1...@gmail.com
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] myorigins results

Hello Everyone,


I thought I would post an update now that I have my mothers myorigins  results 
in l I have also  ordered a kit for one of my daughters I will update when it 
comes in.

My Results

69% Southern Europe
15% Scandinavia
12% British Isles
05% North Africa

My Fathers Results

80% Southern Europe
08% British Isles
06% Scandinavia
05% North Africa

My Mothers Results

67% Southern Europe
23% Western and Central Europe
03% Eastern Europe
05% North Africa
02% East Central Africa(I do share SNP's with people with origins in Eritrea) 
it is located very close to the Middle East.

As I have posted many times my family is from Pico Island. One of the reasons 
that I chose to test all three of us was to get a better idea of our DNA. 

I have discovered some interesting things.

As I expected most of the matches were to people from Pico, and quite a few 
with Faial and Sao Jorge, those are the nearest islands to Pico not surprising 
. But then it gets interesting I will list in order of frequency, next it jumps 
to Sao Miguel, then all the way to Flores, then Graciosa, Terceira, and Santa 
Maria we have no matches with Corvo. I really was expecting to have more 
matches with Graciosa and Terceira than Sao Miguel and Flores based on the 
recorded history and the proximity of those two islands with Pico. It really 
does look like we are one big extended family in the Azores.  We also have many 
matches that appear to  not have Portuguese ancestry.

However I believe most of the Middle Eastern portion of our DNA is swallowed up 
by the Southern Europe category that issue will hopefully be resolved if  FTDNA 
 includes a Sephardic Jewish population in myorigins for comparison.
 
Antonio Faria







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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. Carmel Church New Bedford - St. John Records

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi E,
I've ordered marriage records from Mt. Carmel and that's what I did written 
request with donation.
Best regards,Nancy Jean

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:38:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. Carmel Church New Bedford - St. John Records
From: cheryl...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I believe you now have to go through St. Lawrence church now that St. Johns has 
closed. 
On Dec 3, 2014 2:20 PM, E" Sharp"  wrote:
I believe I read that the records for the now closed St. John's Church

are at Mt. Carmel.  Has anyone ever requested SJ records from MC - I'm

looking for a marriage record?  What is the best procedure?  Send a

donation with a written request?



Thank you.

"E"



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao son of Jose da Roza Jorge

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Sam,
I can make out a bit of it
Joao, son of Jose da Roza Jorge and Maria de Jesusborn, 5-15-1832
paternal grandparents: Manuel da Roza Jorge and Catherina Rosa
Maternal grandfather, incognito and Maria ?
Nancy Jean

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao son of Jose da Roza Jorge
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 02:17:59 +







www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LAGEDO-B-1826-1860/FLR-LF-LAGEDO-B-1826-1860_item1/P20.html
Hi again, group;  I was advised to put the link in the body of the email so, 
here you go.  Top, left side.  Need help translating.
Thanks, Sam in Camas, WA

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A Family Finder story.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Well Liz you probably will have an amazing adventure in the future! I'm 
constantly surprised at how these things happen. Of course, none of it would 
have been possible if Margarida hadn't answered me right away since I have no 
idea when I might make it back to Santa Maria! So huge thanks go to her and my 
friends and husband for being such willing participants in my journey!
 
Over and over my FTDNA results have informed and inspired me as well as filling 
in so many of the blanks I've had regarding my ancestry!
 
Nancy Jean
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A Family Finder story.
From: lizmi...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 14:00:19 -0400
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What a wonderful story and I hope someday to have the same kind if adventure.  
So for now I'll just be jealous.  

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 9, 2014, at 1:42 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:




Greetings,
 
We came to Pico in June and have been looking forward to our trip to Santa 
Maria. I have this dream of finding the houses/ruins of all 8 of my great 
grandparents. So far I've found my de Lemos from Sao Jorge and the spot where 
my Cardoso from Candelaria livedalas, the house was torn down 3 years ago 
and a new modern house is being built in the spot where it stood.
 
My husband and I went on the ferry (over 12 hours!) with Tomas Leal and his 
partner for a week in Santa Maria. We went to my Great grandmother, Catharina 
Moreira Cabral's village of Almagreira. I had no clue where to start looking or 
who to ask. The cemetery was full of Cabral and Andrade. I knew some of them 
were probably related but Catharina left Santa Maria in 1882 and since the 
records for Santa Maria haven't been up long I haven't determined her siblings 
or much else about the family although I have the generations behind her which 
take me way back!
 
My computer in Pico is very slow and quite iffy so I haven't been in FTDNA much 
since I've been in the Azores. The night before we were to leave Santa Maria I 
decided to look at Family Finder to see if I had any new matches since I've 
been here. Right away I saw a new 3rd cousin match.she didn't have her 
gedcom up but she had her family names, Cabral and Andrade, so I knew she was 
related by Santa Maria ancestry. I believe she's a list member, Maria Margarida 
Quea. 
I wrote her immediately and she responded right away from California.
 
Her mother was born in Almagreira. She told me to go to the market, Clotilde in 
Almagreira and that the woman who owned it was her 3rd cousin and was a Cabral. 
When we arrived at the market the daughter, Isabel Cabral Andrade was there and 
was very welcoming and helpful. I'm assuming that we're cousins since Margarida 
is her cousin as well as my cousin. Isabel knew very little of her ancestry but 
did recognize some of the names I showed her on my tree as ancestral names. She 
also pointed up the hill to her grandfathers house which was rebuilt on the 
family land and his brothers house is right next door to it. We went up there 
and no one appeared to be home but right next door in the field was a very old 
ruin.lovely with a caved in roof and trees growing up the 
middle..classic ruin made with rubble and stucco. again, my intuition told 
me that this was Catharina's  home before going to the states.I have no 
proof although we did go back to the market and ask Isabel if this was part of 
the Cabral family and she confirmed that it was although she wasn't sure whose 
it had been. I have pictures and for now it's Catharina's.
 
Isabel also told us that there was another family member who does genealogy, 
her cousin, Jimmy Coelho, (another of my Santa Maria family names). She didn't 
know his phone number but said to go to Sao Lourenco and just ask and someone 
would know where to find him. I had a very strong intuitive flash to stop at 
the first café rather than the one we were headed to and when I went in and 
asked if the man knew Jimmy Coelho he said yes and pointed to the house 
immediately behind the café! We went and knocked and 2 men on the street saw us 
and came to see what we wanted. It was Jimmy Coelho and his father, Joao! They 
have the same great great grandfathers name that I have, Antonio Joaquim 
Cabral, and while we have made a certain connection it appears we're also 
cousins. They live in the states and Jimmy will be joining our list. 
 
Needless to say, I was very happy and content. Santa Maria is one of the very 
loveliest of the islands! I have many pictures and if anyone would like to see 
them I'm happy to send them off list.
 
Thanks to Family Finder I found a very tangible connection to my Catharina and 
cousins! Life is good!
 
Nancy Jean Baptista 
  





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[AZORES-Genealogy] A Family Finder story.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings,
 
We came to Pico in June and have been looking forward to our trip to Santa 
Maria. I have this dream of finding the houses/ruins of all 8 of my great 
grandparents. So far I've found my de Lemos from Sao Jorge and the spot where 
my Cardoso from Candelaria livedalas, the house was torn down 3 years ago 
and a new modern house is being built in the spot where it stood.
 
My husband and I went on the ferry (over 12 hours!) with Tomas Leal and his 
partner for a week in Santa Maria. We went to my Great grandmother, Catharina 
Moreira Cabral's village of Almagreira. I had no clue where to start looking or 
who to ask. The cemetery was full of Cabral and Andrade. I knew some of them 
were probably related but Catharina left Santa Maria in 1882 and since the 
records for Santa Maria haven't been up long I haven't determined her siblings 
or much else about the family although I have the generations behind her which 
take me way back!
 
My computer in Pico is very slow and quite iffy so I haven't been in FTDNA much 
since I've been in the Azores. The night before we were to leave Santa Maria I 
decided to look at Family Finder to see if I had any new matches since I've 
been here. Right away I saw a new 3rd cousin match.she didn't have her 
gedcom up but she had her family names, Cabral and Andrade, so I knew she was 
related by Santa Maria ancestry. I believe she's a list member, Maria Margarida 
Quea. 
I wrote her immediately and she responded right away from California.
 
Her mother was born in Almagreira. She told me to go to the market, Clotilde in 
Almagreira and that the woman who owned it was her 3rd cousin and was a Cabral. 
When we arrived at the market the daughter, Isabel Cabral Andrade was there and 
was very welcoming and helpful. I'm assuming that we're cousins since Margarida 
is her cousin as well as my cousin. Isabel knew very little of her ancestry but 
did recognize some of the names I showed her on my tree as ancestral names. She 
also pointed up the hill to her grandfathers house which was rebuilt on the 
family land and his brothers house is right next door to it. We went up there 
and no one appeared to be home but right next door in the field was a very old 
ruin.lovely with a caved in roof and trees growing up the 
middle..classic ruin made with rubble and stucco. again, my intuition told 
me that this was Catharina's  home before going to the states.I have no 
proof although we did go back to the market and ask Isabel if this was part of 
the Cabral family and she confirmed that it was although she wasn't sure whose 
it had been. I have pictures and for now it's Catharina's.
 
Isabel also told us that there was another family member who does genealogy, 
her cousin, Jimmy Coelho, (another of my Santa Maria family names). She didn't 
know his phone number but said to go to Sao Lourenco and just ask and someone 
would know where to find him. I had a very strong intuitive flash to stop at 
the first café rather than the one we were headed to and when I went in and 
asked if the man knew Jimmy Coelho he said yes and pointed to the house 
immediately behind the café! We went and knocked and 2 men on the street saw us 
and came to see what we wanted. It was Jimmy Coelho and his father, Joao! They 
have the same great great grandfathers name that I have, Antonio Joaquim 
Cabral, and while we have made a certain connection it appears we're also 
cousins. They live in the states and Jimmy will be joining our list. 
 
Needless to say, I was very happy and content. Santa Maria is one of the very 
loveliest of the islands! I have many pictures and if anyone would like to see 
them I'm happy to send them off list.
 
Thanks to Family Finder I found a very tangible connection to my Catharina and 
cousins! Life is good!
 
Nancy Jean Baptista 
  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks MaryAnn and Diane! I'm looking forward to reading his works.
 
Nancy Jean
 
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:11:17 -0700

You might also try searching at http://books.google.com. They have links to 
sellers and a link to Worldcat to search for the books in libraries that might 
be near you. Google also tells you if eBooks are available. Some books have 
previews available. I suggest searching by the author's name in this format 
"José Maria Eça de Queirós" (with the quotes). I seemed to get more results 
that way even for individual books. The results will include both English and 
Portuguese versions. Diane George From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MaryAnn Santos
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 7:02 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos Yes, there are in English 
translations.  Amazon has copies of The Sin of Father Amaro ranging in price 
from $6.50 to $2,423.64!! I think that  must be a typo. An english translation 
of The Maias by Queiroz came out a few years ago and is another excellent read. 
I thoroughly enjoyed The Relic, too. I read it first in English and then in 
Portuguese. Although I think it's out of print now. Since I live in  NYC I buy 
a lot of used books at Strand. They have great deals on hardcover new and used 
books (and paperbacks) and you can buy them online. Here's the link. 
http://www.strandbooks.com/ MaryAnn   On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM, nancy 
jean baptiste  wrote:MaryAnn,
 
Are these books available in English? Do you know how many he has written?
 
Thank you,
Nancy 
 From: m...@nyu.edu
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 14:07:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
To: azores@googlegroups.comThank you, John. I had forgotten about Father Amara 
and as an aside, The Sins of Father Amaro is an excellent read - as are all of 
the Queiroz books I've read. MaryAnn  On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 1:16 PM, 'John 
Raposo' via Azores Genealogy  wrote:In my researching 
experience, I have noted the following: When people from the villages went to 
the convents in Ponta Delgada and Ribeira Grande to have foundling babies 
placed with them, there was not, necessarily, a connection between the foster 
parent and the baby. As for the villages, if an unmarried (or widowed) woman 
was pregnant, I think that in such small places where everybody knew everybody 
else, I doubt that the pregnancy could go unnoticed. And, the parish priest, 
who heard confessions at a time when people really worried about what would 
happen if they died in a state of mortal sin, must have known what his 
penitents were up to. I think that when a baby was left at somebody's door in a 
small village, everybody knew, or thought they knew, who the mother (and maybe 
the father) were. Sometimes these children might have been left at the doors of 
relatives, but they would have required a nursemaid, i.e.a woman with breast 
milk. As for names, again, there is no one answer. Babies who were placed with 
and stayed with the same family to adulthood (as opposed to being shipped out 
as servants from family to family) sometimes took the family name. Sometimes an 
"exposto" took a name, e.g. Bettencourt, with no apparent rime or reason. 
However, a closer look shows that the Bettencourts were a prominent family in 
the village and perhaps it was an open secret that this baby was the offspring 
of the squire's son (or daughter). Infant mortality for expostos was much 
higher than among non-exposto babies. The state paid a stipend for the first 
few months of life for babies placed with nursing foster-mothers. When the 
subsidy stopped, the infant mortality rate rose substantially. Eça de Queiroz 
touched on this subject in his novel O Crime do Padre Amaro; one of the 
characters made her living by taking in unwanted/illegitimate babies of the 
socially promminent and arranging for their deaths. Eloise Cadinha, a member of 
the List, sent me her notes on this subject, and with my thanks to Eloise, I am 
enclose them:  Most of us as we research our ancestors will find an exposto or 
two.  It is indeed miraculous that they were able to survive to adulthood, to 
marry and to have children.  Expostos - a translation. A very sad situation.
The following is my poor translation of part of an article written by Henrique 
Bras 1884-1984) in Boletim de Instituto Histórico da ilha Terceira, 1947. "In 
the last three centuries there is a long list of filhos da igreja (children of 
the church), also known at times as baptism records, of unknown fathers and 
mothers in the parish registers of Terceira, who were often baptized with the 
most noble or notable or the very rich people of Terceira who stood as 
godparents.  At a more recent time the number of children secretly abando

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos

[nancy jean baptiste]

MaryAnn,
 
Are these books available in English? Do you know how many he has written?
 
Thank you,
Nancy 
 
From: m...@nyu.edu
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 14:07:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Thank you, John. I had forgotten about Father Amara and as an aside, The Sins 
of Father Amaro is an excellent read - as are all of the Queiroz books I've 
read.
MaryAnn




On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 1:16 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:


In my researching experience, I have noted the following:




When people from the villages went to the convents in Ponta Delgada and Ribeira 
Grande to have foundling babies placed with them, there was not, necessarily, a 
connection between the foster parent and the baby.




As for the villages, if an unmarried (or widowed) woman was pregnant, I think 
that in such small places where everybody knew everybody else, I doubt that the 
pregnancy could go unnoticed. And, the parish priest, who heard confessions at 
a time when people really worried about what would happen if they died in a 
state of mortal sin, must have known what his penitents were up to. I think 
that when a baby was left at somebody's door in a small village, everybody 
knew, or thought they knew, who the mother (and maybe the father) were. 
Sometimes these children might have been left at the doors of relatives, but 
they would have required a nursemaid, i.e.a woman with
 breast milk.



As for names, again, there is no one answer. Babies who were placed with and 
stayed with the same family to adulthood (as opposed to being shipped out as 
servants from family to family) sometimes took the family name. Sometimes an 
"exposto" took a name, e.g. Bettencourt, with no apparent rime or reason. 
However, a closer look shows that the Bettencourts were a prominent family in 
the village and perhaps it was an open secret that this baby was the offspring 
of the
 squire's son (or daughter).


Infant mortality for expostos was much higher than among non-exposto babies. 
The state paid a stipend for the first few months of life for babies placed 
with nursing foster-mothers. When the subsidy stopped, the infant mortality 
rate rose substantially.




Eça de Queiroz touched on this subject in his novel O Crime do Padre Amaro; one 
of the characters made her living by taking in unwanted/illegitimate babies of 
the socially promminent and arranging for their deaths. Eloise Cadinha, a 
member of the List, sent me her notes on this subject, and with my thanks to 
Eloise, I am enclose them:







Most of us as we
research our ancestors will find an exposto or two.  It is indeed
miraculous that they were able to survive to adulthood, to marry and to have
children. 

 

Expostos - a
translation. A very sad situation.



The following is my poor translation of part of an article written by Henrique
Bras 1884-1984) in Boletim de Instituto
Histórico da ilha Terceira, 1947.

 

"In the last three
centuries there is a long list of filhos
da igreja (children of the church), also known at times as baptism records,
of unknown fathers and mothers in the parish registers of Terceira, who were
often baptized with the most noble or notable or the very rich people of
Terceira who stood as godparents.  At a more recent time the number of children
secretly abandoned at the rodas
(wheels) had greatly increased, and  in spite of the many recently born
innocents who died when abandoned, and of the few to whom the fear of discovery
still did not keep them from strangling babies before they saw the light of
day.  Providing the support of these children who survived became on of
the most difficult problems for the various city 

halls on the island, demanding a new special tax...which the people agreed was
needed but not without grumbling and finding fault with the new tax.  

 

On April 29, 1800, the
Conde de Almada, Captitão General of the Azores, in Angra, informed an official
of the Royal Court that in the ten years the cathedral registered annually an
average of 97 expostos baptized and
also registered an average of 83 who had died!  And this was only those 
engeitados (abandoned ones) who had
arrived at the cathedral to be baptized, those that had been left in the Casa 
da Roda, and this record was only
for Angra.  

 

The city council
continued without resources to provide for these children and thought about
creating a lottery for that purpose.  

 

It needs to be said:
with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, there were yearly on an
average 97 recently born abandoned children of unknown parents, legally
registered and of which 83 of these died -- naturally by affectionate handling,
sheltered and well wrapped care. 

 

[My note: the author
mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the famous  novel by Eça de Queiroz, 
. I asked a cousin if
he knew of this novel, O Crime do Padre
Amaro, and he said  that he had read it long
ago, and it was about a woman who got

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores - Registos Paroquiais

[nancy jean baptiste]

Dolores, it looks like Pereira to me.
 
Nancy Jean
 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores - Registos 
> Paroquiais
> From: djve...@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 22:40:41 -0700
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> It's on image 246 bottom entry. Sorry but it keeps doing other page.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1634-1713/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1634-1713_item1/P245.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Diane,
 
On my Pereira side from Velas my gggrandmother, Isabel de Jesus, had her last 
child when in her 50'sshe had  11 or 12 children. I don't have all my 
records with me now since I'm in Pico, but I remember being amazed at the time 
at how old she was when giving birth the final time.
 
I have 2 friends who had their 1st and only babies at 42. My mom and I were 
pregnant at the same timeI was 19 and she was 43. My brother and my son 
could be twins!
 
Many very fertile women!
 
Nancy Jean
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
From: eliseuman...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:43:13 +
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi,The age of Maria de Ávila is 75. No doubt about this. She made her daughter 
Catarina Dutra her universal heir with some obligations.

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

No dia 25/06/2014, às 00:39, Diane George  escreveu:

Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. 
I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 
43 also. I also can't figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria 
would fit from the four listed. Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. DIane 
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Vasconcelos
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi 
Diane,For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my 
sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might 
think.John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George 
 wrote:Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a 
tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or "o Cabaco".  
I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage 
found a death record for Maria at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html
 (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at 
the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I 
can read the deceased husband's name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I 
can't read most of the rest of the record.  The reason I want the age is that 
the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her 
first child isn't born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That 
makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. 
The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.htmlI
 am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since 
there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don't know how she decided to 
look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record 
for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more 
likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the 
age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant 
to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am 
not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 days left

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Anne,
 
We know a very fine and extremely helpful taxi driver on Pico who speaks both 
English and Portuguese fluently.
 
Fernando Sousaphone # 918-620-699 and email fernando1...@sapo.pt
 
If you find yourself in Santo Amaro stop in for a visit!
 
Happy travels,
Nancy Jean Baptista
 
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> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost in Candelaria, Sao Miguel -help only 2 
> days left
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 15:09:25 -0700
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> I'm leaving Friday and will visit Sao Miguel, Pico and Faial.  Will it be 
> better to hire a taxi or take the bus?  We're good walkers also but doubt if 
> we could see all that we want to just by walking.  Appreciate any 
> suggestions.
> Anne Snyder
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> Tanya,
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> Sorry to tell you this now but you would have been better off not trying to
> drive there and hiring  a taxi to take you around - several listmembers know
> of some good taxi drivers.  When we were there, our hotel was centrally
> located and we could walk to the archives and almost everywhere else we
> wanted to go.  We even took the bus there.  And trying to find a parking
> space...well I won't comment on that one.  Hope you find what you
> are looking for.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Sheri,
 
Bartholameo has unknown father. My guess of the last name would be an 
abbreviation of Fereirra but that needs to be verified because I'm not sure. 
Natives of Santo Antonio.
 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 13:41:55 -0700
From: smartell...@gmail.com
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718_item1/P105.html

 

This is for  Bartholameo de Melo & Maria de Benevides.  I am still quite new at 
this.  I see that Bartholameo is the son of Marquesa de Melo.  I am not sure 
what it says next.  Is it unknown father?  I also see that Maria's father is 
Mathias, but not sure what his last name is.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa - NS da Luz - Marriage Record

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Lee,
 
It looks to me like his name is Capitao Antonio Fogalo? da Sylva.
 
I can't tell where he's from.
 
Nancy jean
 
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 05:09:57 -0700
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa - NS da Luz - Marriage Record

I need some help with the marriage record of Manoel de Bettencourt Avila and 
Isabel de Ponte da Sylva (right page/top record). I know the date is October 
13, 1755. His parents are Manoel de Mendonca Sodre and Maria Medina de 
Bettencourt.Her parents are Capitao Antonio ??? da Sylva and Maria Novais 
Machado The main question that I have is - Where is the groom from?? 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P3.html
 This is Manoel de Bettencourt Avila's first marriage, the 2nd is  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P48.html
 (left page/bottom and right page top) In this record it says he and his bride 
(Maria de Jesus de Bettencourt) are all from this fregusia.  However, I can 
find no information on his parents in this parish. Any help/information would 
be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for any help provided. Lee Estep, 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks everyone for the help...now to figure out how they're related!
 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 19:37:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos
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On Friday, June 6, 2014, nancy jean baptiste  wrote:




Thanks for help.could someone confirm that she's from Topo?
Shirley translated above that she is from Rosais. I have not looked at the 
record myself but I do know that the churches in both Rosais and Topo are Nossa 
Senhora do Rosario. 

Mary



 
Thank you,Nancy Jean
 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:36:21 -0700
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> 
> The impediment is first degree affinity. Maybe she was his daughter-in-law or 
> step-Daughter.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

[nancy jean baptiste]

I seem to remember 1st degree is "niece or nephew"..is that correct? Thanks 
for help.could someone confirm that she's from Topo? Thank you,Nancy Jean
 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:36:21 -0700
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> The impediment is first degree affinity. Maybe she was his daughter-in-law or 
> step-Daughter.
> MNK
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks Suzanne,
 
Takes me back another generation.I need to continue working on this 
maternal side.
 
Look forward to hearing from Marlene.
 
Best to you,
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:52:26 -0700
From: climbatr...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
CC: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

Yes she does.   Here it is: Manoel Machado Fagundes (husband of Joanna) son of 
Manoel Machado Fagundes and Barbara Cardoza who married probably at Velas 
before 1701.

Joanna Baptista (wife of Manoel Machado Fagundes)  daughter of Manoel Pereira 
d'Oliveira and Izabel Teixeira (deceased before Feb 1732).

Maria de Jesus (wife of Joze Antonio da Silveira)  daughter of Manoel d'Avila 
Teixeira and Beatriz Maria (deceased bef 1773)

Maria de Jesus (wife of Manoel d'Avila Teixeira b: abt 1774) daughter of 
Francisco Teixeira Gomes and Francisca de Jesus.
Francisco and Francisca married 9 Feb 1777 at Beira, Velas.
Francisco Teixiera Gomes son of Antonio Luis Gomes and Catharina d'Sousa (dec: 
bef 1777)
Francisca daughter of George de Quadros/Coadros and Phelipa Teixeira (dec 
before 9 Feb 1777)

This is all I could find, though I have not conducted a really thorough search.

I will pass on your email to her. 

Suzanne



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Hi Suzanne,
 
Is Marlene a group memberI have a memory of emailing with a Marlene 
Teixeira around 2007 or so and at the time we thought we might be cousins 
because of the Sao Jorge Teixeira connection.
 
It would be great if she took the family finder because I have so many new 
cousins with Sao Jorge ancestry and perhaps we could figure out if any of them 
were also this line. Regardless, I'm happy to know we descend from brothers of 
Manuel and Maria. Also, wonder if she has any one behind Manuel Machado 
Fagundes and Joanna Baptista...they're the farthest back I have found.
 
I post to the group in hopes that someone else may have any of these 
couples.in my 9 pages of Family Finder cousins MANY of them are Sao Jorge.
 
Would enjoy "meeting" a new cousinplease give her my email or send me hers 
if that's better for her.
 
Thank you for your help!
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 15:57:27 -0700
From: climb...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
CC: fishso...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

Ok,   I have a correction.  You and she are directly related.  Manoel d'Avila 
Teixeira is her 3rd great-grandfather and Maria de Jesus is her 3rd 
great-grandmother.   Their son Joao Teixeira da Avila married Maria Josepha 
Coracao de Jesus.  They had a son Manuel Teixeira d'Avila  who married Maria 
Luiza Silveira.  They had a daughter Maria Teixeira Avila who married Joao 
Rapinha Silva (from Ribeirinha, Pico).  They had a daughter named Myrtle Silva  
who was Marlene's mother.  (phew).

To go a little further back for you---Manoel d'Avila Teixiera's father's father 
is Manoel Machado Fagundes who married Joanna Baptista on 16 Feb 1732 Beira.  
If you have that info, then you must have their parents, etc.

No she has not taken the Family Finder test.  She might do it, but hasn't 
decided.

If you would like to contact Marlene, message me privately, and she has given 
me permission to give you her email address.

Suzanne

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:22:18 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste wrote:


Hi Suzanne,
 
Is this your cousins ancestor and if so has she taken the Family Finder test?
 
Manuel Teixeira de Avila is my 4th ggrandfather. I descend by his first 
marriage to Maria de Jesus (she was a Bettencourt). Manuel is my most 
interesting ancestor thus far. His father was Jose Antonio da Silveira and his 
mother was Maria de Jesus ( daughter of Manuel de Avila Teixeira.) He was given 
his maternal grandfathers name. He and Maria de Jesus had quite a few children 
(would need to look for #)...they married when he was 26 and she was 19.
 
He married Anna dos Anjos, his 2nd wife when he was 84 and she was 36. They had 
their first child (Maria) out of wedlock Nov 2 1853CCA Velas baptisms 
1845-1857, pg 0206.they married in Dec. 1854, he died Sept 17th, 1855, CCA 
record, Velas obits, 1826-1855, pg 295, 1 month before their 2nd child, Maria 
Santa was born...CCA record, pg.256.
 
I've gleaned what I can from the various records but would also appreciate 
translation of your record by more fluent speakers.I don't know the 
connection between he and Anna but feel like there may have been one.
 
He was from Beira but one of the records seemed to indicate that Anna dos Anjos 
was from Nossa Senhora do Rosario which is in Topo.not sure.
 
>From Manuel and Maria de Jesus I descend from their daughter, Isabel de Jesus 
>married to Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, from their son, Jose d

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Suzanne,
 
Is Marlene a group memberI have a memory of emailing with a Marlene 
Teixeira around 2007 or so and at the time we thought we might be cousins 
because of the Sao Jorge Teixeira connection.
 
It would be great if she took the family finder because I have so many new 
cousins with Sao Jorge ancestry and perhaps we could figure out if any of them 
were also this line. Regardless, I'm happy to know we descend from brothers of 
Manuel and Maria. Also, wonder if she has any one behind Manuel Machado 
Fagundes and Joanna Baptista...they're the farthest back I have found.
 
I post to the group in hopes that someone else may have any of these 
couples.in my 9 pages of Family Finder cousins MANY of them are Sao Jorge.
 
Would enjoy "meeting" a new cousinplease give her my email or send me hers 
if that's better for her.
 
Thank you for your help!
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 15:57:27 -0700
From: climbatr...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
CC: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

Ok,   I have a correction.  You and she are directly related.  Manoel d'Avila 
Teixeira is her 3rd great-grandfather and Maria de Jesus is her 3rd 
great-grandmother.   Their son Joao Teixeira da Avila married Maria Josepha 
Coracao de Jesus.  They had a son Manuel Teixeira d'Avila  who married Maria 
Luiza Silveira.  They had a daughter Maria Teixeira Avila who married Joao 
Rapinha Silva (from Ribeirinha, Pico).  They had a daughter named Myrtle Silva  
who was Marlene's mother.  (phew).

To go a little further back for you---Manoel d'Avila Teixiera's father's father 
is Manoel Machado Fagundes who married Joanna Baptista on 16 Feb 1732 Beira.  
If you have that info, then you must have their parents, etc.

No she has not taken the Family Finder test.  She might do it, but hasn't 
decided.

If you would like to contact Marlene, message me privately, and she has given 
me permission to give you her email address.

Suzanne

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:22:18 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste wrote:


Hi Suzanne,
 
Is this your cousins ancestor and if so has she taken the Family Finder test?
 
Manuel Teixeira de Avila is my 4th ggrandfather. I descend by his first 
marriage to Maria de Jesus (she was a Bettencourt). Manuel is my most 
interesting ancestor thus far. His father was Jose Antonio da Silveira and his 
mother was Maria de Jesus ( daughter of Manuel de Avila Teixeira.) He was given 
his maternal grandfathers name. He and Maria de Jesus had quite a few children 
(would need to look for #)...they married when he was 26 and she was 19.
 
He married Anna dos Anjos, his 2nd wife when he was 84 and she was 36. They had 
their first child (Maria) out of wedlock Nov 2 1853CCA Velas baptisms 
1845-1857, pg 0206.they married in Dec. 1854, he died Sept 17th, 1855, CCA 
record, Velas obits, 1826-1855, pg 295, 1 month before their 2nd child, Maria 
Santa was born...CCA record, pg.256.
 
I've gleaned what I can from the various records but would also appreciate 
translation of your record by more fluent speakers.I don't know the 
connection between he and Anna but feel like there may have been one.
 
He was from Beira but one of the records seemed to indicate that Anna dos Anjos 
was from Nossa Senhora do Rosario which is in Topo.not sure.
 
>From Manuel and Maria de Jesus I descend from their daughter, Isabel de Jesus 
>married to Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, from their son, Jose de Sousa 
>Pereira Mancebowho left Velas on a whaler in 1853 and ended up in New 
>Bedford in 1865.
 
Any insights into the records would be appreciated.
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean Baptista
 
Sao Jorge, Pico and Santa Maria
 
 
 
 
 

 
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:43:45 -0700
From: climb...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P162.html

Hi.  My cousin asked me to post this.  She needs a basic translation of it.  
Specifically if it talks about the couple needing  a dispensation and why.

It takes up both pages of the book.

Thank you.

Suzanne





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Suzanne,
 
Is this your cousins ancestor and if so has she taken the Family Finder test?
 
Manuel Teixeira de Avila is my 4th ggrandfather. I descend by his first 
marriage to Maria de Jesus (she was a Bettencourt). Manuel is my most 
interesting ancestor thus far. His father was Jose Antonio da Silveira and his 
mother was Maria de Jesus ( daughter of Manuel de Avila Teixeira.) He was given 
his maternal grandfathers name. He and Maria de Jesus had quite a few children 
(would need to look for #)...they married when he was 26 and she was 19.
 
He married Anna dos Anjos, his 2nd wife when he was 84 and she was 36. They had 
their first child (Maria) out of wedlock Nov 2 1853CCA Velas baptisms 
1845-1857, pg 0206.they married in Dec. 1854, he died Sept 17th, 1855, CCA 
record, Velas obits, 1826-1855, pg 295, 1 month before their 2nd child, Maria 
Santa was born...CCA record, pg.256.
 
I've gleaned what I can from the various records but would also appreciate 
translation of your record by more fluent speakers.I don't know the 
connection between he and Anna but feel like there may have been one.
 
He was from Beira but one of the records seemed to indicate that Anna dos Anjos 
was from Nossa Senhora do Rosario which is in Topo.not sure.
 
>From Manuel and Maria de Jesus I descend from their daughter, Isabel de Jesus 
>married to Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, from their son, Jose de Sousa 
>Pereira Mancebowho left Velas on a whaler in 1853 and ended up in New 
>Bedford in 1865.
 
Any insights into the records would be appreciated.
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean Baptista
 
Sao Jorge, Pico and Santa Maria
 
 
 
 
 

 
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:43:45 -0700
From: climbatr...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P162.html

Hi.  My cousin asked me to post this.  She needs a basic translation of it.  
Specifically if it talks about the couple needing  a dispensation and why.

It takes up both pages of the book.

Thank you.

Suzanne





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matris de Santa Catharina?

[nancy jean baptiste]

Sam, 
 
I think it would be Calheta itself. 
 
Nancy Jean
 
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matris de Santa Catharina?
Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 16:03:00 +







Hi Margaret;  Thanks for your response.  If I'm understanding you correctly 
then, the information "being born in the Matris of Santa Catharina on Sao 
Jorge" isn't telling me what freguesia to look in?  i.e. Riberia Seca, etc.?
Thanks again, Sam

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Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 11:47 AM
To: azores
Hi Sam,
Freguesia de Santa Catarina.  
The Matriz means Centre of "Calheta" a place from where all things originate 
with jurisdiction over the other  localities, freguesia is interpreted as 
Parish in the district (Concelho) of Calheta.  


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Help please, I need the expertize of the group.  If someone is said to have 
been born in 1774 in the Matris of Santa Catharina on Sao Jorge, Azores; which 
fregueisa (sp) should I look for her in?

Just in case anyone has my 3rd great grandmother is in anyone else's tree, I'm 
looking for the birth of Isabela Silveira d'Azevedo daughter of Manuel Silveira 
Machado and Maria Silveira Neto.

Thanks in advance for you help, Sam (currently in Asheville, NC)



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth Records for Maria in Graciosa

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Bob,
 
It looks like she was born at 6 in the morning of the 22 of July, 1903 and 
baptized on the 13th of Sept. of the same year.
 
Good luck,
Nancy Jean
 
From: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:34:54 -0400
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth Records for Maria in Graciosa
To: Azores@googlegroups.com







Hello 
Group needed help with birth information for Maria, Parents are Felicio dos 
Reis 
and Esther Correa da Silva. both from Graciosa .  Also based on what I can 
read the godparents are her grandparents on her mothers side  Ludovico 
Correa da Silva and Rosa Candida do Coracao de Jesus
Thank 
you for the help
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1898-1903/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1898-1903_item1/P156.html
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1898-1903/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1898-1903_item1/P157.html
 
 

Thank 
you
Bob Camacho
Researching the Island of Terceira for
da Costa, 
Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
Researching the Island 
of Graciosa for
Reis
Researching the Island 
of Madeira for
Camacho
Researching Brazil 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising

[nancy jean baptiste]

Sam, thanks for starting this regarding Arline.
 
Arline, when you and "E" first helped me in 2006, I was a totally displaced 
culturally starved newbie. I had no idea what my great grandfather and 
grandmother's real names even were..you both freely gave me not only your 
time and knowledge, but you gave me "connection" to my roots that has enriched 
my life so much that I could never thank you enough. Suffice it to say you both 
will always hold a very special place in my heart as will Cheri for her vision 
and wisdom with this group.
 
A very grateful,
Nancy Jean Baptista
 
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for 
hire, DNA fundraising
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 22:26:43 +







Arline;  Just wanted to point out all the help you have given so many of us, 
myself definitely included, over the years.  Haven't seen you online in a long 
time.  You got me started and I am still most appreciative.  Sam (currently in 
South Carolina)

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I also want to congratulate Cheri on her many years of hard work and her common 
sense. She is always willing to help with questions.
 I have been on this list from the beginning and know about Doug and his 
reputation
I did a lot of genealogy for people over the years and at no cost for most. Now 
I mostly lurk and am amazed at the growth of the group and how many people help 
others.

Keep up the wonderful job!





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings,
 
I can only say YES to everything and reiterate that everything Grace said 
expresses how I feel regarding the group. Thank you.
 
Cheri, you are a much more patient person than I am.I can only assume that 
Doug wasn't "disappeared" a long time ago because of his father, Lionel who is 
a welcome presence in the group.
 
Doug, from the time Family Finder was introduced you became a very active 
member of the group although prior to that time you were much less active. Your 
intent to "milk" the group was clear from the beginning. Cheri's kind to 
compare you to a used car salesmanI would liken your snarky attitude to a 
snake oil salesman. While you may have good information to contribute it's 
never delivered without a solicitation..some yuckier than others.I 
sincerely doubt your statement that Cheri kept members posts from the 
groupthat would be totally out of character and the best evidence of that 
is that some of your more distasteful posts have been allowed! I think the lack 
of response to your "gift" email is that quite a few people are "put off" by 
you. My very outspoken Mother, (a Pereira) would have simply told you to "Go 
pound tar."she was a very wise woman!
 
Nancy Jean Baptista
 
Pico, Santa Maria, Sao Jorge...mainly
 
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, 
DNA fundraising
From: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 10:00:33 -0400

Dear Cheri, 



I joined the Azorean Genealogy Group in order to gain a better understanding of 
my Azorean family and of the Azores as a whole.  



I admit, because of my lack of confidence in this subject matter, I 
don't post regularly.  BUT, I consistently read 95% of the
 posts EVERYDAY to gain an understanding of the subject matter.  



I am a cheer leader so to speak in the background.  I am
 marveled at all the members commitment and involvement.  I am so appreciative 
to everyone in this group.  I can't tell you how many times I tell my family 
how wonderful this group is and all the intelligent people who contribute.  



With confidence I submitted my DNA with the Azorean Project because of it's 
science, goals, foresight, and the strong moral principals of the 
administrators. 



I have gained so much joy, achieved a tremendous amount of knowledge, made some 
miraculous discoveries that has propelled me to meet families I thought never 
existed both in the US and the Azores.  I underscore "Miraculous".



I have felt both the Azorean Genealogy Group and Azorean Project (FTDNA), 
functions in the best interest of genealogical science, follow ethical 
guidelines, monitors discrepancies to the best of their ability, and promotes 
an environment that is safe for ALL it's members.  



I did NOT ( I underscore NOT) join these groups to judged, assumed, counted, 
hacked, haggled, coerced, duped, stole from, lured by gift giving, made to feel 
uneasy, or have ONE molecule of doubt about where my genealogical and DNA 
information would be used for.  I underscore "One Molecule".  



Reading the content of the email that is segmenting people off into island 
groups by offering gifts in exchange for ?? 



What kind of information - DNA information??  So, you want my families names 
and histories, to be used for what??, by whom??, by YOU??? Where will this 
information go  



Oh I get it, you want to give me a gift (not that great of a gift to an expert 
genealogist), in exchange for (I am assuming) my families names, DNA 
information that will benefit your business model, RIGHT??  



Wrong BUDDY!!! If so, your motives are unethical, selfish, self serving, and 
corrupt.  



Cheri, I appreciate you addressing this problem and nipping it in the bud.  


 






 






Best regards, grace





Searching family names on the island Sao Miguel, Acores-


Pacheco Sant'Anna, Pacheco-Moniz, Pacheco da Silva, Pereira, Figueira, da 
Costa Canario, Carvalho, de Medeiros, de Melo, Vieira, da Silva, de Viveiros, 
Tavares, Arruda, de Arruda, Futado Teixeira





Primary villages on the island of San Miguel, Azores- 


Furnas, Maia, Lomba da Maia, Porto 
Formoso, and Nordeste 






 






 






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To: Azores Genealogy 


Sent: Sat, May 17, 2014 11:23 pm


Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA 
fundraising



















Doug,





I've posted from time to time how many 
subscribers are on this list.  Anyone can find that number by going out 
to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the "About" link.  The only 
reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 
people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their 
hands.  The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) 
and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers.  
Reading a single post that says "Thanks!" is imposing on

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maciel in Sao Mateus, Pico

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Dave,
 
I have both "Rosa Maciel's" and "Vieira Maciel's" in my Candelaria, Pico line.
 
Good luck in your search,
Nancy Jean
 
From: p...@dholmes.com
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maciel in Sao Mateus, Pico
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 15:26:37 -0700

Anne,
Maciel is very common in Sao Mateus, Pico.I didn't check, but I would think 
everyone in that village has at least one Maciel ancestor.

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618www.dholmes.com




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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA index?

From: "Anne Snyder" 

Date: Mon, May 12, 2014 12:47 pm

To: 



   Dave, my great-grandfather was Manuel Rosa Maciel born 1821 in San 
Mateus, Pico.  I wonder how common the name "Maciel" is. Anne Rose Snyder  
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Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:02 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA index? 
  I'm a bit new at this... 
I've traced an ancestor (Manuel Vieira Maciel) to Pico, he was born on Pico Feb 
25 1884 and emigrated to the US. I have no other information. Are there any 
index pages within the CCA? or do I just have to go through it page by page? 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Candelaria, Pico connections?

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Emil,
 
Antonio was the ancestor that Manuel martins descends from..my ancestor was 
the elder brother Manuel.
 
I notice that you are a Family Finder match to both myself and my Uncle John 
Baptiste but not in common with Manuel Martins so I guess it's not on this part 
of my Candelaria line. Perhaps we can figure out the connection. I'll look at 
your gedcom again.
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 02:13:48 +
From: ehsilve...@comcast.net
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Candelaria, Pico connections?

Manuel Rodrigues Castro Mancebo born 11 Jan 1671 had a son Antonio Rodrigues 
Castro born 19 Jan 1734 who is married to Ana Francisca Sao Jose born 09 Mar 
1740. Ana is my 1st cousin 7x removed.
EmilFrom: "Baptiste, Nancy" 
To: "Azores-Genealogy" 
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 8:54:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Candelaria, Pico connections?




Thanks Shirley,
 
This Manuel Martins is a member of our group. He's from Candelaria and we have 
a family finder matchwe have common matches with other people in the group 
and I'm trying to see if we have a common ancestor to Manuel Rodrigues Castro 
Mancebo and his wife Maria Rodrigues. He and I descend from 2 of their children.
 
Thanks for your offer of help!
Nancy Jean
 
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Candelaria, Pico connections?
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 15:21:45 -0700








I have several Manoel Martins in my database.  
Who was he married to?  When?  Where?
 
Shirley in CA

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  nancy 
  jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 2:48 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Candelaria, 
  Pico connections?
  

  Greetings,
 
I know there are many of us with 
  connections to Candelaria. Some of us have DNA FF matches. I have a match 
with 
  Manuel Martins and when I look we have 3 pages of "in common with". 
  
 
Manny and I figured out 1 of our connections though I believe 
  there are more. I'm wondering if anyone else of our "in common" also have 
this 
  ancestor.
 
 
Manuel Rodrigues Castro Mancebo...b. 
  1-11-1671
Married  1-12-1728
Maria Rodrigues
 
Best 
  regards,
Nancy Jean
 
Pico: Furtado, Cardoso, de Castro, 
  Peixoto, Silva, Bettencourt, Moniz, 
  Goulart and others
 
 

  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Candelaria, Pico connections?

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks Shirley,
 
This Manuel Martins is a member of our group. He's from Candelaria and we have 
a family finder matchwe have common matches with other people in the group 
and I'm trying to see if we have a common ancestor to Manuel Rodrigues Castro 
Mancebo and his wife Maria Rodrigues. He and I descend from 2 of their children.
 
Thanks for your offer of help!
Nancy Jean
 
From: shir...@digitalpath.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Candelaria, Pico connections?
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 15:21:45 -0700








I have several Manoel Martins in my database.  
Who was he married to?  When?  Where?
 
Shirley in CA

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  nancy 
  jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 2:48 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Candelaria, 
  Pico connections?
  

  Greetings,
 
I know there are many of us with 
  connections to Candelaria. Some of us have DNA FF matches. I have a match 
with 
  Manuel Martins and when I look we have 3 pages of "in common with". 
  
 
Manny and I figured out 1 of our connections though I believe 
  there are more. I'm wondering if anyone else of our "in common" also have 
this 
  ancestor.
 
 
Manuel Rodrigues Castro Mancebo...b. 
  1-11-1671
Married  1-12-1728
Maria Rodrigues
 
Best 
  regards,
Nancy Jean
 
Pico: Furtado, Cardoso, de Castro, 
  Peixoto, Silva, Bettencourt, Moniz, 
  Goulart and others
 
 

  
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