subject:"RE\: BLueDragon"

I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it...

The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features not
available in the free version), you pay for licensing.  If you don't need
this, then you can use it for free.  

Most companies want and need the support.  That is where these companies
make their money.  As a business, you want to be able to have someone you
can call and say, my server is down and I need help to get it running asap
so it doesn't effect my business.  This gives you that option.  

If you feel you can handle everything yourself...then by all means use it
for free :-D

The other benefit is that when there is an open source/free version, you
don't have to pay to have copies for your development, testing, and QA
environments.  It allows you to have the same exact environment (not one
with limited connections or other things with their wings clipped) as your
production environment.  It also becomes pretty expensive when you have to
buy licenses for 4 sets of servers if you have the above model.  A 7k dollar
product now becomes a 28k dollar product when only one of those servers is
actually producing revenue. I think that seriously encourages people to use
a product when they can do that.  I hope Adobe follows suit.  

Eric

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/*From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:50 AM
/*To: CF-Talk
/*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
/*
/*On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/*wrote:
/*  Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only caveat
/*  would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm really
/*  anxious to see the details there.
/*
/*I'm not sure what your concern is here? Lots of companies use
/*dual-licensing: free open source version and a fully-supported,
/*non-free, commercial version. That's pretty standard these days. NA
/*are using GPLv2 so you can go read that (it's a standard open source
/*license).
/*--
/*Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
/*An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
/*
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RE: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-12 Thread Russ

Personally, I try to use open source software when I can, and don't use paid
support ever.  I find no need to use paid support when there is so much
information available on the web.  I also find that there is more and better
support available for open source projects.  The users and developers
mailing lists can be invaluable, and being able to look at the source helps
too sometimes. 

From experience of friends and family, I have noticed that paid support is
utterly useless.  They almost never come through, and things that take me
about 10 minutes to do take weeks to get done through paid support, and even
then they're not done properly.  

Just my $0.02. 

RUss

 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:50 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
 
 I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it...
 
 The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features not
 available in the free version), you pay for licensing.  If you don't need
 this, then you can use it for free.
 
 Most companies want and need the support.  That is where these companies
 make their money.  As a business, you want to be able to have someone you
 can call and say, my server is down and I need help to get it running asap
 so it doesn't effect my business.  This gives you that option.
 
 If you feel you can handle everything yourself...then by all means use it
 for free :-D
 
 The other benefit is that when there is an open source/free version, you
 don't have to pay to have copies for your development, testing, and QA
 environments.  It allows you to have the same exact environment (not one
 with limited connections or other things with their wings clipped) as your
 production environment.  It also becomes pretty expensive when you have to
 buy licenses for 4 sets of servers if you have the above model.  A 7k
 dollar
 product now becomes a 28k dollar product when only one of those servers is
 actually producing revenue. I think that seriously encourages people to
 use
 a product when they can do that.  I hope Adobe follows suit.
 
 Eric
 
 /*-Original Message-
 /*From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:50 AM
 /*To: CF-Talk
 /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
 /*
 /*On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 /*wrote:
 /*  Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only
 caveat
 /*  would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm
 really
 /*  anxious to see the details there.
 /*
 /*I'm not sure what your concern is here? Lots of companies use
 /*dual-licensing: free open source version and a fully-supported,
 /*non-free, commercial version. That's pretty standard these days. NA
 /*are using GPLv2 so you can go read that (it's a standard open source
 /*license).
 /*--
 /*Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
 /*An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
 /*
 /*If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
 /*-- Margaret Atwood
 /*
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RE: Bluedragon = open source

Sean Said:
Since Adobe (Macromedia / Allaire) created ColdFusion, I don't think they
have any responsibility to maintain compatibility since they created the
de facto standard. The burden is on other companies to build compatible CFML
engines, IMO. Nor do Adobe have any incentive to create a common standard
definition of CFML - as you said, that would simply make it easier for other
companies to build compatible CFML engines.



Sean,

I would disagree with you on this in spirit.  While there is no real or
legal responsibility for them to maintain compatibility, It would behoove
them to do so (yes...the true responsibility does lie with the other
companies...but I do think that Adobe should lead the way).  If they try to
bring BD users over to Adobe, wouldn't it be a lot easier if they were able
to say you can migrate over to our engine without having to modify the code?
Make the selling points be things in relation to the engine like efficiency,
stability, etc more than the code.  While it would make it easier for other
companies to create CF engines, they should also recognize that the
competition does everyone good as it keeps the language fresh and
competitive with other languages and inspires product innovation and
improvement.  This also would keep the developers happy too...something they
should be actively trying to do as we are the best salesmen they have.
Maybe a CF standards organization is in order?

Eric


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RE: Bluedragon = open source

How are they not selling the engine?  If they were selling just the language
then BD would ne be able to use the language, without licensing.  Without
the engine, the language is pretty useless.

I think the responsibility lies with both as their responsibility is to
their customers.  A standardized environment is beneficial to all.  What
might be a good idea is for each company to sell tag packs that would
update he other with tags (and tag differences) from the other...then
everyone gets to make money ;-)

Eric

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/*From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:58 AM
/*To: CF-Talk
/*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
/*
/* See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another
/* company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it
/* not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility
/* when they themselves add the same feature? Should the other
/* company in question break backwards compatibility with their
/* own code just to match Adobe's implementation? Once again we
/* see the position that only Adobe is allowed to innovate in
/* this area.
/*
/*Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe
/*hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor
/*selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise have
/*no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product that
/*provides compatibility with someone else's product as its chief feature,
/*the
/*onus is on you to provide that compatibility.
/*
/*Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
/*http://www.figleaf.com/
/*
/*Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners
/*http://training.figleaf.com/
/*
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RE: Bluedragon = open source

They don't have to, but if they did something like this, they would keep the
dev community happy and happy developers make great unpaid salesmen for
Adobe.

/*-Original Message-
/*From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:02 AM
/*To: CF-Talk
/*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
/*
/*On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote:
/* atitude time and again in the CF community: when Adobe introduces new
/* syntax it's innovative, but when another vendor does it's disruptive.
/*Last
/*
/*Adobe 'own' CFML (the language). They can do what they like and still
/*claim to
/*be 'compatable'.
/*
/* year some Adobe fanboy was bitching out the NA list because the syntax
/*of
/* the cfthread tag is different in BD 7 and CF 8 - only to have it come to
/* light that NA implemented cfthread before Adobe, and that it was up to
/* Adobe to maintain compatibility.
/*
/*From their PoV, someone else made a change to the language with out asking
/*them (who own it). Why should they change, I suppose.
/*
/*  least they could do would be to set up some sort of language standard,
/*  and a
/*  public process to get it altered.
/*
/* Unlikely, IMHO. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. What
/* you're proposing just makes it easier for others to compete with them.
/*
/*Happier developers benefit the whole 'eco-system'. And Adobe *is* giving
/*something like this control in other products to the community.
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RE: Bluedragon = open source

I think there is more than a large enough market...one that could increase
with competition.

Eric

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/*From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:34 AM
/*To: CF-Talk
/*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
/*
/*Seriously,
/*
/*Adobe own CF, they can do what they want, everyone else is attempting to
/*copy this. If NA go off and add new features, they can't expect Adobe to
/*copy them, that makes no sense.
/*
/*I don't think there is enough of a market to support so many clones
/*getting
/*any decent market share.
/*
/*Regards
/*Dale Fraser
/*
/*-Original Message-
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/*Sent: Wednesday, 12 March 2008 11:22 PM
/*To: CF-Talk
/*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
/*
/*Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe
/*hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor
/*selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise
/*have
/*no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product
/*that
/*provides compatibility with someone else's product as its chief feature,
/*the
/*onus is on you to provide that compatibility.
/*
/*Nobody could argue that NA haven't made every reasonable effort to ensure
/*compatibility between BlueDragon and CFMX - as you point out, that's the
/*business they're in. But when Adobe willingly breaks compatibility with
/*BlueDragon by implementing a BD feature in a non-compatible manner, i
/*think
/*it is biased to claim that NA is responsible for resolving the resulting
/*incompatibility. Most of us get upset when Microsoft abuses its dominant
/*market position like this, i for one fail to see how Adobe is any
/*different
/*in this case.
/*
/*
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RE: Bluedragon = open source

On the consumer level, you are correct.  Having worked in that industry (did
support for Belkin wireless products, BFG Graphic cards, Scientific Atlanta
cable boxes, Best data Modems/Diamond Video products, as well as enterprise
level networking support for CDW, I would very much agree that consumer
level support suck you know what.  Most tech support people are poorly
trained and are given very little information to help solve consumer issues.


Enterprise level support is different.  They tend to be people who are
knowledgeable in what they are supported, and fairly well trained for the
job (especially since most of the support at this level is paid).

While user forums and mailing lists are very helpful, sometimes that can be
completely useless.  Even this list, which has been awesome and many people
on this list bend over backwards to help people with questions they have, I
have had more than a few questions go unanswered.  This list is also a lot
better than most, so on other list, more often than not, I have unanswered
questions or questions that the others on the list don't have a clue.  That
is something that won't happen with enterprise level support.  The only time
I have seen it take days or weeks is if there is a serious issue that
involves a major bug in the code.  That is why companies use paid support.  

Eric

/*-Original Message-
/*From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:59 PM
/*To: CF-Talk
/*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
/*
/*Personally, I try to use open source software when I can, and don't use
/*paid
/*support ever.  I find no need to use paid support when there is so much
/*information available on the web.  I also find that there is more and
/*better
/*support available for open source projects.  The users and developers
/*mailing lists can be invaluable, and being able to look at the source
/*helps
/*too sometimes.
/*
/*From experience of friends and family, I have noticed that paid support is
/*utterly useless.  They almost never come through, and things that take me
/*about 10 minutes to do take weeks to get done through paid support, and
/*even
/*then they're not done properly.
/*
/*Just my $0.02.
/*
/*RUss
/*
/* -Original Message-
/* From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/* Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:50 PM
/* To: CF-Talk
/* Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
/*
/* I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it...
/*
/* The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features not
/* available in the free version), you pay for licensing.  If you don't
/*need
/* this, then you can use it for free.
/*
/* Most companies want and need the support.  That is where these companies
/* make their money.  As a business, you want to be able to have someone
/*you
/* can call and say, my server is down and I need help to get it running
/*asap
/* so it doesn't effect my business.  This gives you that option.
/*
/* If you feel you can handle everything yourself...then by all means use
/*it
/* for free :-D
/*
/* The other benefit is that when there is an open source/free version, you
/* don't have to pay to have copies for your development, testing, and QA
/* environments.  It allows you to have the same exact environment (not one
/* with limited connections or other things with their wings clipped) as
/*your
/* production environment.  It also becomes pretty expensive when you have
/*to
/* buy licenses for 4 sets of servers if you have the above model.  A 7k
/* dollar
/* product now becomes a 28k dollar product when only one of those servers
/*is
/* actually producing revenue. I think that seriously encourages people to
/* use
/* a product when they can do that.  I hope Adobe follows suit.
/*
/* Eric
/*
/* /*-Original Message-
/* /*From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/* /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:50 AM
/* /*To: CF-Talk
/* /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
/* /*
/* /*On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels
/*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/* /*wrote:
/* /*  Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only
/* caveat
/* /*  would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm
/* really
/* /*  anxious to see the details there.
/* /*
/* /*I'm not sure what your concern is here? Lots of companies use
/* /*dual-licensing: free open source version and a fully-supported,
/* /*non-free, commercial version. That's pretty standard these days. NA
/* /*are using GPLv2 so you can go read that (it's a standard open source
/* /*license).
/* /*--
/* /*Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
/* /*An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
/* /*
/* /*If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
/* /*-- Margaret Atwood
/* /*
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/*
/*
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RE: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-12 Thread Brad Wood

I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it... The way
they do it...if you need support (and several other features not
available in the free version), you pay for licensing. 

==

And pay you do!  MySQL Enterprise Platinum is $4,999 USD /Server/Year.

On the subject of supporting your own installs.  Sometimes I don't think
community support is all it's cracked up to be.  I think our CF
community does a good job, but wading through 1000's of message boards
and being told to RTFM is not my idea of a good time.  That being
said, I use several open source softwares like MySQL, but only for my
personal stuff.

~Brad

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-12 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey

See that's the problem.  Everyone is more than happy to jump on the band
wagon *after* there is a mature solution which is worth their time.
However, the chicken precedes the egg here, and the chicken is a
community of developers willing to put in months (or years) of work to
get a product to that point.  I fear our community doesn't have enough
of those people willing to roll up their Java/.NET sleeves and make open
source CF really fly.  

Actually, what we really need is simply more people to use these other servers 
and give them support. I do a lot to promote BlueDragon to my users when they 
are looking for alternatives, and am putting a lot of time right now into 
testing on Railo and making that a good option for them as well. I've not 
looked at Smith Project in a while, but can certainly look at that in the 
future if it looks viable for complex applications as well. The more people 
that use these servers with different types of sites, the more we as a 
community can flesh out the problems, and make sure that they *are* fully 
compatible and will not give people headaches if they move over from 
ColdFusion. There's also other ways people can help with open source projects, 
other than just code...as much as I'm a fan of Railo, the documentation really 
does suck big time, and I'd love to see them get someone to do nothing but work 
on clear, well-written documentation on installing and using the server, as I 
do think it's the biggest stumbling block for people that are not easily able 
to figure things out themselves. 





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RE: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-12 Thread Russ

Actually the support I'm talking about IS enterprise support, and it is in a
lot of cases, utterly useless.   I'm not even mentioning consumer level
support, which can probably be replaced with a nice AI that follows the same
exact script they do.  They are not trained to think.  They are trained to
search for the problem you are having in their knowledgebase, and then guide
you through the script.  Higher level support is often better though 

While enterprise support might be ok, you will often find better support on
mailing lists as they have more people, and more likely that someone has
faced the issue before.  Also, since the software is free, it has been used
by more people.  Not everyone, for example, can afford to buy Oracle, so the
number of installs would be smaller then MySQL, and therefore it's less
likely that someone came across a problem that you were having with Oracle
as opposed to a problem you were having with MySQL. 

Russ


 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:28 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
 
 On the consumer level, you are correct.  Having worked in that industry
 (did
 support for Belkin wireless products, BFG Graphic cards, Scientific
 Atlanta
 cable boxes, Best data Modems/Diamond Video products, as well as
 enterprise
 level networking support for CDW, I would very much agree that consumer
 level support suck you know what.  Most tech support people are poorly
 trained and are given very little information to help solve consumer
 issues.
 
 
 Enterprise level support is different.  They tend to be people who are
 knowledgeable in what they are supported, and fairly well trained for the
 job (especially since most of the support at this level is paid).
 
 While user forums and mailing lists are very helpful, sometimes that can
 be
 completely useless.  Even this list, which has been awesome and many
 people
 on this list bend over backwards to help people with questions they have,
 I
 have had more than a few questions go unanswered.  This list is also a lot
 better than most, so on other list, more often than not, I have unanswered
 questions or questions that the others on the list don't have a clue.
 That
 is something that won't happen with enterprise level support.  The only
 time
 I have seen it take days or weeks is if there is a serious issue that
 involves a major bug in the code.  That is why companies use paid support.
 
 Eric
 
 /*-Original Message-
 /*From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:59 PM
 /*To: CF-Talk
 /*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
 /*
 /*Personally, I try to use open source software when I can, and don't use
 /*paid
 /*support ever.  I find no need to use paid support when there is so much
 /*information available on the web.  I also find that there is more and
 /*better
 /*support available for open source projects.  The users and developers
 /*mailing lists can be invaluable, and being able to look at the source
 /*helps
 /*too sometimes.
 /*
 /*From experience of friends and family, I have noticed that paid support
 is
 /*utterly useless.  They almost never come through, and things that take
 me
 /*about 10 minutes to do take weeks to get done through paid support, and
 /*even
 /*then they're not done properly.
 /*
 /*Just my $0.02.
 /*
 /*RUss
 /*
 /* -Original Message-
 /* From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 /* Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:50 PM
 /* To: CF-Talk
 /* Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
 /*
 /* I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it...
 /*
 /* The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features
 not
 /* available in the free version), you pay for licensing.  If you don't
 /*need
 /* this, then you can use it for free.
 /*
 /* Most companies want and need the support.  That is where these
 companies
 /* make their money.  As a business, you want to be able to have someone
 /*you
 /* can call and say, my server is down and I need help to get it running
 /*asap
 /* so it doesn't effect my business.  This gives you that option.
 /*
 /* If you feel you can handle everything yourself...then by all means use
 /*it
 /* for free :-D
 /*
 /* The other benefit is that when there is an open source/free version,
 you
 /* don't have to pay to have copies for your development, testing, and QA
 /* environments.  It allows you to have the same exact environment (not
 one
 /* with limited connections or other things with their wings clipped) as
 /*your
 /* production environment.  It also becomes pretty expensive when you
 have
 /*to
 /* buy licenses for 4 sets of servers if you have the above model.  A 7k
 /* dollar
 /* product now becomes a 28k dollar product when only one of those
 servers
 /*is
 /* actually producing revenue. I think that seriously encourages people
 to
 /* use
 /* a product when they can do that.  I hope Adobe follows suit

Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Monday 10 Mar 2008, Jordan Michaels wrote:
 You can tie J2EE servers into Apache. In fact, the Smith Project has a
 simple step-by-step on how to do that with tomcat:
 http://smithproject.org/doc_preinstall.cfm

As does Railo (which comes with the Resin J2EE server by default).

there's *NO QUESTION* that this
 announcement will help the CF Community grow.

It's just another CFML engine with not quite the same features as 
the 'offical' one.
Being open source isn't much one way or the other, tbh.

Look at my posts earlier in the week about Railo - it's closed source but 
they've ack'ed the problem and are going to fix it in the next release.
Why do I need their source ? I probably wouldn't understand it anyway :-)

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Tanguy Rademakers

 It's just another CFML engine with not quite the same features as 
 the 'offical' one.
 Being open source isn't much one way or the other, tbh.

Well, if people want to add features that are missing, now they can. 

And it's more than just another CFML engine - it will be the only mature CFML 
engine to be not only open source, but Free software.

I think NA deserves a big warm hearted thank you from the whle CF community 
for taking this step.



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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote:
 I think NA deserves a big warm hearted thank you from the whle CF
 community for taking this step.

Oh, I say 'thanks', but I don't believe, for instance, it's going to speed the 
inclusion of Remoteing (OpenAMF) into the product.

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Sean Corfield

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Tanguy Rademakers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Being open source isn't much one way or the other, tbh.
  Well, if people want to add features that are missing, now they can.

But it will be up to New Atlanta and the BlueDragon Open Source
Steering Committee whether your suggestions will be accepted. Open
source does not mean that everyone can just pile in and change the
source. Sure, you could modify your *own* copy to add features - but
that will just create lots of incompatible engines. Everyone will need
to work with the process, like Sun's JCP and all the other successful
open source projects out there.

I'm very concerned that a lot of CFers really don't understand how
open source projects work - I see the same thing around all the CF
frameworks with folks just assuming that their changes should be
incorporated (and getting upset when the project team refuse to
incorporate them) or going off and creating their own incompatible
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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Sean Corfield wrote:
 source. Sure, you could modify your *own* copy to add features - but
 that will just create lots of incompatible engines. Everyone will need
 to work with the process, like Sun's JCP and all the other successful

Exactly.
We don't want someone adding cfFooBar to their engine, whilst another uses 
cfBarFoo (or doesn't have it at all). Ideally I can take a project and run 
it with no changes on Adobe, or Railo, or Smith, or BD, or ...
We're already seeing this fragmentation (a bit), with things like
  cfhttp addtoken=yes 
appearing in Railo but not Adobe's 'official' impl., so anything that makes 
use of that is now locked into Railo.

If Adobe don't want to open up their ColdFusion server (fair enough), the 
least they could do would be to set up some sort of language standard, and a 
public process to get it altered.
*That being said* Adobe do already listen to us with language changes, such as 
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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Tanguy Rademakers

But it will be up to New Atlanta and the BlueDragon Open Source
Steering Committee whether your suggestions will be accepted. Open
source does not mean that everyone can just pile in and change the
source. Sure, you could modify your *own* copy to add features - but
that will just create lots of incompatible engines. Everyone will need
to work with the process, like Sun's JCP and all the other successful
open source projects out there.

Or, if you feel strongly enough about it, you fork the project:

http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=133716cid=11167571

(watch the wrap) 

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Exactly.
We don't want someone adding cfFooBar to their engine, whilst
another uses
cfBarFoo (or doesn't have it at all). Ideally I can take a project
and run
it with no changes on Adobe, or Railo, or Smith, or BD, or ...

So i guess this means the CFML language is now set in stone forever? Or by
someone, do you just mean someone other than Adobe? I've seen this atitude
time and again in the CF community: when Adobe introduces new syntax it's
innovative, but when another vendor does it's disruptive. Last year some Adobe
fanboy was bitching out the NA list because the syntax of the cfthread tag is
different in BD 7 and CF 8 - only to have it come to light that NA implemented
cfthread before Adobe, and that it was up to Adobe to maintain compatibility.

Read Vince's reply here:
http://www.newatlanta.com/c/products/bluedragon/self_help/archiveSearch/detail?messageId=221043

(yadda yadda wrap)

If Adobe don't want to open up their ColdFusion server (fair enough),
the
least they could do would be to set up some sort of language standard,
and a
public process to get it altered.

Unlikely, IMHO. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. What you're
proposing just makes it easier for others to compete with them.

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Chris Jordan

Let's give this announcement some link love!

http://www.dzone.com/links/open_source_cfml_engine_on_the_way.html

http://digg.com/software/New_Atlanta_announces_free_open_source_BlueDragon_edition

I'm sure there are others out there. Let's talk this up!

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Tanguy Rademakers 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But it will be up to New Atlanta and the BlueDragon Open Source
 Steering Committee whether your suggestions will be accepted. Open
 source does not mean that everyone can just pile in and change the
 source. Sure, you could modify your *own* copy to add features - but
 that will just create lots of incompatible engines. Everyone will need
 to work with the process, like Sun's JCP and all the other successful
 open source projects out there.

 Or, if you feel strongly enough about it, you fork the project:

 http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=133716cid=11167571

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RE: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Mark Fuqua

I'm pretty sure they meant 'someone' like you or me...that's the idea of NA
having a steering committee to determine what gets included in the code
base...at least that's how I understand it.

-Original Message-
From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source

 Exactly.
 We don't want someone adding cfFooBar to their engine, whilst 
 another uses 
 cfBarFoo (or doesn't have it at all). Ideally I can take a project 
 and run 
 it with no changes on Adobe, or Railo, or Smith, or BD, or ...

So i guess this means the CFML language is now set in stone forever? Or by
someone, do you just mean someone other than Adobe? I've seen this
atitude time and again in the CF community: when Adobe introduces new syntax
it's innovative, but when another vendor does it's disruptive. Last year
some Adobe fanboy was bitching out the NA list because the syntax of the
cfthread tag is different in BD 7 and CF 8 - only to have it come to light
that NA implemented cfthread before Adobe, and that it was up to Adobe to
maintain compatibility. 

Read Vince's reply here:
http://www.newatlanta.com/c/products/bluedragon/self_help/archiveSearch/deta
il?messageId=221043

(yadda yadda wrap)

 If Adobe don't want to open up their ColdFusion server (fair enough), 
 the 
 least they could do would be to set up some sort of language standard, 
 and a 
 public process to get it altered.

Unlikely, IMHO. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. What
you're proposing just makes it easier for others to compete with them. 

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Casey Dougall

Isn't the point of this whole thing to spread the use of cfml, and to such
end, to have a cfml engine installed on every linux hosting company offering
PHP, wouldn't this be where the blue dragon open source version of their
product is going to be put to the test?

Every $5 a month hosting company could have cfml running on it, anything is
better then godaddy cfml hosting. they should be banded.

I may be a bit off here but wouldn't PHP have a steering committee like the
one being formed for HTML5, now there could be one for CFM, it may still be
a bit one sided but hey it's a start.

Casey


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 I'm pretty sure they meant 'someone' like you or me...that's the idea of
 NA
 having a steering committee to determine what gets included in the code
 base...at least that's how I understand it.





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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Jordan Michaels

 Isn't the point of this whole thing to spread the use of cfml, and to such
 end, to have a cfml engine installed on every linux hosting company
offering
 PHP, wouldn't this be where the blue dragon open source version of their
 product is going to be put to the test?

Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only caveat
would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm really
anxious to see the details there.

If the above is truly their intention, this is HUGE for the CF Community.

Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
BlueDragon Alliance Member
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Casey Dougall wrote:
 Isn't the point of this whole thing to spread the use of cfml, and to such
 end, to have a cfml engine installed on every linux hosting company offering
 PHP, wouldn't this be where the blue dragon open source version of their
 product is going to be put to the test?
 
 Every $5 a month hosting company could have cfml running on it, anything is
 better then godaddy cfml hosting. they should be banded.
 
 I may be a bit off here but wouldn't PHP have a steering committee like the
 one being formed for HTML5, now there could be one for CFM, it may still be
 a bit one sided but hey it's a start.
 
 Casey
 
 
 On 3/11/08, Mark Fuqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm pretty sure they meant 'someone' like you or me...that's the idea of
 NA
 having a steering committee to determine what gets included in the code
 base...at least that's how I understand it.



 
 
 

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RE: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Brad Wood

If the above is truly their intention, this is HUGE for the CF
Community.

==

Trust me-- I am excited to see what this will bring too; however, if an
open source CFML engine is such a door-opener, then why hasn't everyone
jumped on the Smith Project and proliferated CFML to the ends of the
Earth by now?
Smith has been open source since May of last year.

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RE: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Russ

I remember last time I looked at the CF alternatives, BD was the only one
that seemed mature.  Others seemed to be either in early stages or have
started charging and at that point weren't worth the trouble switching to
IMHO.  

A free CFML engine that's fairly compatible with Adobe's engine would be a
great thing IMHO.  

Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:17 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
 
 If the above is truly their intention, this is HUGE for the CF
 Community.
 
 ==
 
 Trust me-- I am excited to see what this will bring too; however, if an
 open source CFML engine is such a door-opener, then why hasn't everyone
 jumped on the Smith Project and proliferated CFML to the ends of the
 Earth by now?
 Smith has been open source since May of last year.
 
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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Larry Lyons

JBoss has a regular web server in it. Its very easy to run BlueDragon for J2EE 
on Apache. You will need a J2EE app server like JBoss to run BD. That said, its 
relatively easy to integrate JBoss/BD with Apache. Steve Brownlee gives a very 
good tutorial on this at http://www.fusioncube.net/?p=111. While he uses CF for 
this tutorial, the steps are exactly the same for Blue Dragon. I've been 
running this combo for internal sites for the last several months without any 
problems.

Another alternative is to use the native webserver that's in JBoss. Its not 
difficult at all to change the ports from 8080 to port 80.

hth,
larry

I am pumped.

One thing I did notice was it was the J2EE version. Which, if I understand
correctly, is the version that is deployed on a Java App server like TomCat
or JBoss and not a regular web server like Apache or IIS. Which is all
fine with me in that is the direction I am heading anyways. But this is not
going to lend it self to opening the doors for traditional hosting
environments. Which is the the boost that CF really needs for popular
adoption/mindshare IMO. This release is more geared toward Enterprise
deployments.

J


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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-11 Thread Sean Corfield

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only caveat
  would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm really
  anxious to see the details there.

I'm not sure what your concern is here? Lots of companies use
dual-licensing: free open source version and a fully-supported,
non-free, commercial version. That's pretty standard these days. NA
are using GPLv2 so you can go read that (it's a standard open source
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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Aaron Rouse

Whats even more interesting is that announcement is from the future ;)

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Interesting:

 http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.
 jsphttp://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.jsp



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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Tanguy Rademakers

More info here:
http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=EABF951D-453A-486E-9647E2825D1E6F39

(watch the wrap)

http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.
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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Sonny Savage

Dang it, you stole my comment!

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Whats even more interesting is that announcement is from the future ;)

 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Interesting:
 
  http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.
  jsp
 http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.jsp
 
 
 
 
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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Gerald Guido

I am pumped.

One thing I did notice was it was the J2EE version. Which, if I understand
correctly, is the version that is deployed on a Java App server like TomCat
or JBoss and not a regular web server like Apache or IIS. Which is all
fine with me in that is the direction I am heading anyways. But this is not
going to lend it self to opening the doors for traditional hosting
environments. Which is the the boost that CF really needs for popular
adoption/mindshare IMO. This release is more geared toward Enterprise
deployments.

J


On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sonny Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dang it, you stole my comment!

 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Whats even more interesting is that announcement is from the future ;)
 
  On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  wrote:
 
   Interesting:
  
  
 http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.
   jsp
 
 http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.jsp
  
  
  
  
   ~Brad
  
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Jordan Michaels

You can tie J2EE servers into Apache. In fact, the Smith Project has a
simple step-by-step on how to do that with tomcat:

http://smithproject.org/doc_preinstall.cfm

I'm anxious to see the details of the new license agreements, as that
will be the determining factor into how it's used by hosting companies
and their customers. Either way, there's *NO QUESTION* that this
announcement will help the CF Community grow.

Warm regards,
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Vivio Technologies
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BlueDragon Alliance Member
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Gerald Guido wrote:
 I am pumped.
 
 One thing I did notice was it was the J2EE version. Which, if I understand
 correctly, is the version that is deployed on a Java App server like TomCat
 or JBoss and not a regular web server like Apache or IIS. Which is all
 fine with me in that is the direction I am heading anyways. But this is not
 going to lend it self to opening the doors for traditional hosting
 environments. Which is the the boost that CF really needs for popular
 adoption/mindshare IMO. This release is more geared toward Enterprise
 deployments.
 
 J
 
 
 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sonny Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Dang it, you stole my comment!

 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Whats even more interesting is that announcement is from the future ;)

 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:

 Interesting:


 http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.
 jsp
 http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.jsp



 ~Brad






 
 

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RE: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Russ

CF itself runs on a J2EE server - JRUN and can be made to run on other J2EE
servers.  

The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still not for commercial use.
If that's true, then it's really no better then the free bluedragon product
that they're currently offer.  They seemed to be open sourcing it just to
get some free help with the development of the server.  

Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:26 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
 
 You can tie J2EE servers into Apache. In fact, the Smith Project has a
 simple step-by-step on how to do that with tomcat:
 
 http://smithproject.org/doc_preinstall.cfm
 
 I'm anxious to see the details of the new license agreements, as that
 will be the determining factor into how it's used by hosting companies
 and their customers. Either way, there's *NO QUESTION* that this
 announcement will help the CF Community grow.
 
 Warm regards,
 Jordan Michaels
 Vivio Technologies
 http://www.viviotech.net/
 BlueDragon Alliance Member
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 Gerald Guido wrote:
  I am pumped.
 
  One thing I did notice was it was the J2EE version. Which, if I
 understand
  correctly, is the version that is deployed on a Java App server like
 TomCat
  or JBoss and not a regular web server like Apache or IIS. Which is all
  fine with me in that is the direction I am heading anyways. But this is
 not
  going to lend it self to opening the doors for traditional hosting
  environments. Which is the the boost that CF really needs for popular
  adoption/mindshare IMO. This release is more geared toward Enterprise
  deployments.
 
  J
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sonny Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Dang it, you stole my comment!
 
  On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Whats even more interesting is that announcement is from the future ;)
 
  On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Brad Wood
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  wrote:
 
  Interesting:
 
 
 
 http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.
  jsp
 
 http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.js
 p
 
 
 
  ~Brad
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Tanguy Rademakers

The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still not for commercial use.
If that's true, then it's really no better then the free bluedragon product
that they're currently offer.  They seemed to be open sourcing it just to
get some free help with the development of the server.  

Where did you read that? The way i read it, BD/J2EE will be released under the 
GPL, minus some 3rd party libs they don't own the IP to. GPL apps may be used 
in a commercial setting (i.e. you may use them on your client sites, or to 
run your business site or office intranet - all examples that were verboten 
with the old BD free license), what you can't do is bundle and distribute 
them into/with any kind of proprietary or non-GPL product. 

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RE: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Russ

I guess I was confused by the dual license approach they were talking about.
I guess you would only need the commercial license if you intent to
distribute your product and don't want to distribute the source?  Is that
even possible with CF?  I mean yea you can encrypt your code, but it's that
fairly easily decrypted?

Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:01 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
 
 The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still not for commercial
 use.
 If that's true, then it's really no better then the free bluedragon
 product
 that they're currently offer.  They seemed to be open sourcing it just to
 get some free help with the development of the server.
 
 Where did you read that? The way i read it, BD/J2EE will be released under
 the GPL, minus some 3rd party libs they don't own the IP to. GPL apps may
 be used in a commercial setting (i.e. you may use them on your client
 sites, or to run your business site or office intranet - all examples that
 were verboten with the old BD free license), what you can't do is bundle
 and distribute them into/with any kind of proprietary or non-GPL product.
 
 

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey

Distribution as I have had it explained to me means bundling BD with
some other product, be it physical or software.

Hatton

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I guess I was confused by the dual license approach they were talking about.
  I guess you would only need the commercial license if you intent to
  distribute your product and don't want to distribute the source?  Is that
  even possible with CF?  I mean yea you can encrypt your code, but it's that
  fairly easily decrypted?

  Russ


   -Original Message-
   From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:01 PM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
  

  The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still not for commercial
   use.
   If that's true, then it's really no better then the free bluedragon
   product
   that they're currently offer.  They seemed to be open sourcing it just to
   get some free help with the development of the server.
  
   Where did you read that? The way i read it, BD/J2EE will be released under
   the GPL, minus some 3rd party libs they don't own the IP to. GPL apps may
   be used in a commercial setting (i.e. you may use them on your client
   sites, or to run your business site or office intranet - all examples that
   were verboten with the old BD free license), what you can't do is bundle
   and distribute them into/with any kind of proprietary or non-GPL product.
  
  

  

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Gerald Guido

  Is that even possible with CF?  I mean yea you can encrypt your code,
but it's that fairly easily decrypted?

but it's that fairly easily decrypted?

Very easy. IIRC you can do it with a CFX tag.

 Is that even possible with CF?

Yes.
As of v. 7 you could turn CFML into compiled Java bytecode. In theory you
could use a Java decompiler to turn the Java bytecode to java. But you would
need to know how CFML is rendered as Java.. And by the time you figured that
out you could have reverse engineered the app in question or have
written your own CFML engine.




On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I guess I was confused by the dual license approach they were talking
 about.
 I guess you would only need the commercial license if you intent to
 distribute your product and don't want to distribute the source?  Is that
 even possible with CF?  I mean yea you can encrypt your code, but it's
 that
 fairly easily decrypted?

 Russ

  -Original Message-
  From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:01 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
 
  The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still not for commercial
  use.
  If that's true, then it's really no better then the free bluedragon
  product
  that they're currently offer.  They seemed to be open sourcing it just
 to
  get some free help with the development of the server.
 
  Where did you read that? The way i read it, BD/J2EE will be released
 under
  the GPL, minus some 3rd party libs they don't own the IP to. GPL apps
 may
  be used in a commercial setting (i.e. you may use them on your client
  sites, or to run your business site or office intranet - all examples
 that
  were verboten with the old BD free license), what you can't do is
 bundle
  and distribute them into/with any kind of proprietary or non-GPL
 product.
 
 

 

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Re: Bluedragon = open source

2008-03-10 Thread Gerald Guido

 Very easy. IIRC you can do it with a CFX tag.

Let me clarify: Very easy for pre v. 7


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Re: BlueDragon Fee Server - LocalHost Only?

2008-03-01 Thread Gert Franz

Hi Matthew

You could of course use Railo, which in the Community Version is free 
and has no restrictions in use. It doesn't matter if it's commercial or not.

Just give it a try.

Gert

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Matthew Reinbold schrieb:
 Is the free version of the BlueDragon server local ip only?
   
 No. BlueDragon 7 Server is free for multiuser applications. 
 

 Really? I've having a dickens of a time connecting to it from another 
 computer. I've got Smith set up on port 8081. My laptop is assigned a local 
 subnet address of 192.168.0.5 and I can pull up pages in the Smith web root 
 from other machines on the local subnet but going to 
 http://192.168.0.5:8081/insert page here. I installed BlueDragon Server 7 
 on port 8082. I can pull pages from the laptop itself (localhost or 
 127.0.0.1) but if I try to use http://192.168.0.5:8082/insert page here 
 from another machine on the local area network the page times out. Running 
 netstat -an from a windows command line shows that while the port is in use 
 locally there isn't an entry for the inbound computer.

 Could it have something to do with the default security under the bluedragon 
 admin? It's defaulted to allow ips: '*.*.*.*' - maybe because there isn't an 
 allowed ':*' at the end it ignores all traffic to a certain port? I tried 
 updating it with a : and a port number but upon submit it just reverts back 
 to '*.*.*.*'. Pinging that port from a computer on the subnet also doesn't 
 work. Is there any other way to sniff around and see if anyone is listening 
 where they should be? 

 

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RE: BlueDragon Fee Server - LocalHost Only?

2008-02-29 Thread Dave Watts

 Is the free version of the BlueDragon server local ip only?

No. BlueDragon 7 Server is free for multiuser applications. Any of the other
versions of BlueDragon 7 (BlueDragon 7.0 Server JX, BlueDragon 7.0 for J2EE
Application Servers, BlueDragon for the Microsoft .NET Framework) are not
free, but each of those versions are available in a limited-use mode for
development and testing.

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RE: BlueDragon Fee Server - LocalHost Only?

2008-02-29 Thread Dave Francis

Certainly multi-user, but I believe it is free only for non-commercial
applications. But don't take my word for it, ask on the newatalanta forum.

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Subject: RE: BlueDragon Fee Server - LocalHost Only?

 Is the free version of the BlueDragon server local ip only?

No. BlueDragon 7 Server is free for multiuser applications. Any of the other
versions of BlueDragon 7 (BlueDragon 7.0 Server JX, BlueDragon 7.0 for J2EE
Application Servers, BlueDragon for the Microsoft .NET Framework) are not
free, but each of those versions are available in a limited-use mode for
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Re: BlueDragon Fee Server - LocalHost Only?

2008-02-29 Thread Matthew Reinbold

 Is the free version of the BlueDragon server local ip only?

No. BlueDragon 7 Server is free for multiuser applications. 

Really? I've having a dickens of a time connecting to it from another computer. 
I've got Smith set up on port 8081. My laptop is assigned a local subnet 
address of 192.168.0.5 and I can pull up pages in the Smith web root from other 
machines on the local subnet but going to http://192.168.0.5:8081/insert page 
here. I installed BlueDragon Server 7 on port 8082. I can pull pages from the 
laptop itself (localhost or 127.0.0.1) but if I try to use 
http://192.168.0.5:8082/insert page here from another machine on the local 
area network the page times out. Running netstat -an from a windows command 
line shows that while the port is in use locally there isn't an entry for the 
inbound computer.

Could it have something to do with the default security under the bluedragon 
admin? It's defaulted to allow ips: '*.*.*.*' - maybe because there isn't an 
allowed ':*' at the end it ignores all traffic to a certain port? I tried 
updating it with a : and a port number but upon submit it just reverts back to 
'*.*.*.*'. Pinging that port from a computer on the subnet also doesn't work. 
Is there any other way to sniff around and see if anyone is listening where 
they should be? 

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Re: BlueDragon Fee Server - LocalHost Only?

2008-02-29 Thread Matthew Reinbold

 I can pull pages from the laptop itself 
 (localhost or 127.0.0.1) but if I try to use http://192.168.0.
 5:8082/insert page here from another machine on the local area 
 network the page times out. 

Ok - its late Friday evening and I've got my dunce cap on. Once I added '8082' 
to allowed ports under the Windows firewall things were ok. I hadn't even 
thought about that because I hadn't done anything to get Smith open to the 
outside world (and scrolling through the list of allowed exceptions Smith isn't 
on their either... hmmm... if its 'borrowing' something that was previously 
allowed that could cause conflicts down the road).

Anywho, it was Windows firewall that was preventing me from demoing. Thanks for 
the replies.


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Re: BlueDragon Fee Server - LocalHost Only?

2008-02-29 Thread Matthew Reinbold

But since I brought Coral Web Builder up does anyone know anything more about 
that product? It seemed like the biggest benefit they tried to sell themselves 
on was that you paid for the server once and then you could deploy it on as 
many machines as possible (the idea being to run CF apps locally on users 
machines, as opposed to using the browser window like a terminal reporting back 
to a central server). However, the last update seemed to be in 2005 and support 
for simple stuff, like cfcs seems to be missing. 

Any ideas on if its still around? 

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Re: BlueDragon 7 problem with Text datatype

2007-09-02 Thread Pete Ruckelshaus

In the free version of BD, there are no BD-specific DSN settings, since the
DSN's need to be set at the OS level.

I realized, however, that I was using cfqueryparam in that query; I always
use cfqueryparam for a number of very valid reasons.  When I changed that
cfqueryparam cfsqltype value from cf_sql_varchar to cf_sql_clob, it worked
fine.  I had forgotten that cf_sql_clob was one of the valid attribute
values.

Thanks,

Pete


On 9/1/07, Paul Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pete Ruckelshaus wrote:
  With a smaller chunk of text, both insert and update queries work just
 fine.

 does BD have an enable CLOB option and/or Long Text Buffer (chr) size
 in
 it's dsn admin bits? if so turn those on and/or increase the size.

 also wondering about the ODBC driver you're using, been so long i don't
 recall
 any details but check into that as well.

 

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Re: BlueDragon 7 problem with Text datatype

2007-09-01 Thread Paul Hastings

Pete Ruckelshaus wrote:
 With a smaller chunk of text, both insert and update queries work just fine.

does BD have an enable CLOB option and/or Long Text Buffer (chr) size in 
it's dsn admin bits? if so turn those on and/or increase the size.

also wondering about the ODBC driver you're using, been so long i don't recall 
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Re: Bluedragon Installation

2007-05-13 Thread Andrew Scott

Sounds like a permission error for the directory that holds the pages.



On 5/14/07, Qasim Rasheed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello folks,

 I am hoping that someone on this list might be able to help me with the
 installation issues. I downloaded the Server JX from New Atlanta website
 and
 clicked through the installer with builtin webserver. However when I try
 to
 access url http://localhost:8080/bluedragon, I am faced with a 403
 Forbidden
 error. I am running ColdFusion 5, ColdFusion 6.1, ColdFusion MX 7 (with
 IIS)
 and JRun+ColdFusion MX (with Apache) on same machine with no problem.

 Thanks in advance for your help.

 --
 Qasim Rasheed
 Certified Advance ColdFusion MX Developer
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Re: Bluedragon Installation

2007-05-13 Thread Qasim Rasheed

Andrew,

Thanks for the response. How do I set up permission for the directory for
the built in web server?

Qasim

On 5/13/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sounds like a permission error for the directory that holds the pages.



 On 5/14/07, Qasim Rasheed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello folks,
 
  I am hoping that someone on this list might be able to help me with the
  installation issues. I downloaded the Server JX from New Atlanta website
  and
  clicked through the installer with builtin webserver. However when I try
  to
  access url http://localhost:8080/bluedragon, I am faced with a 403
  Forbidden
  error. I am running ColdFusion 5, ColdFusion 6.1, ColdFusion MX 7 (with
  IIS)
  and JRun+ColdFusion MX (with Apache) on same machine with no problem.
 
  Thanks in advance for your help.
 
  --
  Qasim Rasheed
  Certified Advance ColdFusion MX Developer
  (IM qasimrasheed AT yahoo, msn or GTalk)
 
 
 

 

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Re: Bluedragon Installation

2007-05-13 Thread Andrew Scott

The same way you do for Apache and IIS.

If the service for Bluedragon has no rights for the drectory then you will
run into these sort of problems.


On 5/14/07, Qasim Rasheed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Andrew,

 Thanks for the response. How do I set up permission for the directory for
 the built in web server?

 Qasim

 On 5/13/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sounds like a permission error for the directory that holds the pages.
 
 
 
  On 5/14/07, Qasim Rasheed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hello folks,
  
   I am hoping that someone on this list might be able to help me with
 the
   installation issues. I downloaded the Server JX from New Atlanta
 website
   and
   clicked through the installer with builtin webserver. However when I
 try
   to
   access url http://localhost:8080/bluedragon, I am faced with a 403
   Forbidden
   error. I am running ColdFusion 5, ColdFusion 6.1, ColdFusion MX 7
 (with
   IIS)
   and JRun+ColdFusion MX (with Apache) on same machine with no problem.
  
   Thanks in advance for your help.
  
   --
   Qasim Rasheed
   Certified Advance ColdFusion MX Developer
   (IM qasimrasheed AT yahoo, msn or GTalk)
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-16 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Jason T. Slack wrote:
 
 I tried the BlueDragon 7 beta and I cannot get it to install properly.
 
 It only installs the uninstall application, nothing else.
 
 the version 6.x installer works perfectly.

Application.cfc is a BD7 feature. You need BD7 to use it.

Jochem

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-16 Thread Jason T. Slack

Hi,

 Btw~ Coldfusion runs pretty damn good on intel macs, you just gotta  
 spend an additional 20 seconds on the install.

I tried installing CF 7.02 and the install went well but I cannot  
start the server.

How did you get it to install and start the server?

-jason

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RE: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-16 Thread Josh Adams

It's possible that you're not doing anything wrong in regards to BD 7
beta--the installer may not have been tested on Intel Mac.  We would expect,
however, that if you could get it installed, it would run on Intel Mac.
However, we are working on an installer for BD 7 beta 2 for Intel Mac that
will be better for you anyway as it will support the native adapters needed
if you don't want to use BD's built-in web server.  We expect to release
that installer shortly after Thanksgiving.

By all means, contact me any time in regards to BlueDragon.  Also, note that
our BlueDragon Interest mailing list is a great resource--the people on that
list are amazing at helping out with installation-related issues.  Check it
out:

http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/archive_search/index
..cfm

Josh 

-Original Message-
From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question

Hi Josh,

I tried the BlueDragon 7 beta and I cannot get it to install properly.

It only installs the uninstall application, nothing else.

the version 6.x installer works perfectly.

So what do I do to fix my issue? I thought that I had everything set
correctly since it works on my Windows CF MX 7.02 server. I would prefer to
use OS X though.

Can we chat about this more to see what I am doing wrong?

Thanks,

-Jason


On Nov 15, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Josh Adams wrote:

 Are you still having this problem, Jason?  If so, are you using the 
 BlueDragon 7 beta?  If not, be sure to check it out!  You will need 
 the BlueDragon 7 beta (or any later version we release) to use 
 Application.cfc as versions of BlueDragon prior to 7 beta do not 
 support the automatic use of that file.

 Let us know where things stand!

 Thanks,
 Josh

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:38 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question

 I am still getting Application.dsn not found.

 -Jason

 On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:

 What error are you getting now?

 Rick

 Jason T. Slack wrote:
 Hi Rick,

 I noticed that. Here is what I have:

 1:
 2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and 
 password is right---
 3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
 5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar

 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

 and I have the following in application.cfc


cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
 output=false
  !--- When did the application start? ---
  cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
 
 cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
 
  cfreturn true
/cffunction

 -Jason


 On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:


 Jason T. Slack wrote:

 Yeah that put me further along in the process.

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

 You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute

 Should be

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#

 whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure 
 you're not missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #

 Rick










 



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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-16 Thread Jason T. Slack

Hi Josh,

Any chance of getting this beta early?

-Jason
On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Josh Adams wrote:

 It's possible that you're not doing anything wrong in regards to BD 7
 beta--the installer may not have been tested on Intel Mac.  We  
 would expect,
 however, that if you could get it installed, it would run on Intel  
 Mac.
 However, we are working on an installer for BD 7 beta 2 for Intel  
 Mac that
 will be better for you anyway as it will support the native  
 adapters needed
 if you don't want to use BD's built-in web server.  We expect to  
 release
 that installer shortly after Thanksgiving.

 By all means, contact me any time in regards to BlueDragon.  Also,  
 note that
 our BlueDragon Interest mailing list is a great resource--the  
 people on that
 list are amazing at helping out with installation-related issues.   
 Check it
 out:

 http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/ 
 archive_search/index
 ..cfm

 Josh

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:46 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question

 Hi Josh,

 I tried the BlueDragon 7 beta and I cannot get it to install properly.

 It only installs the uninstall application, nothing else.

 the version 6.x installer works perfectly.

 So what do I do to fix my issue? I thought that I had everything set
 correctly since it works on my Windows CF MX 7.02 server. I would  
 prefer to
 use OS X though.

 Can we chat about this more to see what I am doing wrong?

 Thanks,

 -Jason


 On Nov 15, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Josh Adams wrote:

 Are you still having this problem, Jason?  If so, are you using the
 BlueDragon 7 beta?  If not, be sure to check it out!  You will need
 the BlueDragon 7 beta (or any later version we release) to use
 Application.cfc as versions of BlueDragon prior to 7 beta do not
 support the automatic use of that file.

 Let us know where things stand!

 Thanks,
 Josh

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:38 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question

 I am still getting Application.dsn not found.

 -Jason

 On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:

 What error are you getting now?

 Rick

 Jason T. Slack wrote:
 Hi Rick,

 I noticed that. Here is what I have:

 1:
 2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and
 password is right---
 3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
 5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar

 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

 and I have the following in application.cfc


cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
 output=false
  !--- When did the application start? ---
  cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()

cfset Application.dsn = webPOS

  cfreturn true
/cffunction

 -Jason


 On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:


 Jason T. Slack wrote:

 Yeah that put me further along in the process.

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

 You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute

 Should be

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#

 whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure
 you're not missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an  
 unmatched #

 Rick














 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-16 Thread Aaron Roberson

Josh,

If you have BD 6.2 up and running on OS X all you have to do is
convert your Application.cfc file to Application.cfm. As was already
mentioned, BD 6.2 does not support Application.cfc, but BD 7 which
will be release in January(?) will.

-Aaron

On 11/16/06, Jason T. Slack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Josh,

 Any chance of getting this beta early?

 -Jason
 On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Josh Adams wrote:

  It's possible that you're not doing anything wrong in regards to BD 7
  beta--the installer may not have been tested on Intel Mac.  We
  would expect,
  however, that if you could get it installed, it would run on Intel
  Mac.
  However, we are working on an installer for BD 7 beta 2 for Intel
  Mac that
  will be better for you anyway as it will support the native
  adapters needed
  if you don't want to use BD's built-in web server.  We expect to
  release
  that installer shortly after Thanksgiving.
 
  By all means, contact me any time in regards to BlueDragon.  Also,
  note that
  our BlueDragon Interest mailing list is a great resource--the
  people on that
  list are amazing at helping out with installation-related issues.
  Check it
  out:
 
  http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/
  archive_search/index
  ..cfm
 
  Josh
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:46 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question
 
  Hi Josh,
 
  I tried the BlueDragon 7 beta and I cannot get it to install properly.
 
  It only installs the uninstall application, nothing else.
 
  the version 6.x installer works perfectly.
 
  So what do I do to fix my issue? I thought that I had everything set
  correctly since it works on my Windows CF MX 7.02 server. I would
  prefer to
  use OS X though.
 
  Can we chat about this more to see what I am doing wrong?
 
  Thanks,
 
  -Jason
 
 
  On Nov 15, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Josh Adams wrote:
 
  Are you still having this problem, Jason?  If so, are you using the
  BlueDragon 7 beta?  If not, be sure to check it out!  You will need
  the BlueDragon 7 beta (or any later version we release) to use
  Application.cfc as versions of BlueDragon prior to 7 beta do not
  support the automatic use of that file.
 
  Let us know where things stand!
 
  Thanks,
  Josh
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:38 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question
 
  I am still getting Application.dsn not found.
 
  -Jason
 
  On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:
 
  What error are you getting now?
 
  Rick
 
  Jason T. Slack wrote:
  Hi Rick,
 
  I noticed that. Here is what I have:
 
  1:
  2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and
  password is right---
  3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
  4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
  5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
 
  ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
 
  and I have the following in application.cfc
 
 
 cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
  output=false
   !--- When did the application start? ---
   cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
 
 cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
 
   cfreturn true
 /cffunction
 
  -Jason
 
 
  On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:
 
 
  Jason T. Slack wrote:
 
  Yeah that put me further along in the process.
 
  cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#
 
  You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute
 
  Should be
 
  cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 
  whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure
  you're not missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an
  unmatched #
 
  Rick
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-16 Thread Aaron Roberson

Oops, I meant Jason...

If you have BD 6.2 up and running on OS X all you have to do is
convert your Application.cfc file to Application.cfm. As was already
mentioned, BD 6.2 does not support Application.cfc, but BD 7 which
will be release in January(?) will.

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RE: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-16 Thread Josh Adams

It's not being held back--when it's ready, it will be released!  We'll be
sure to announce it on the BlueDragon Interest list so subscribe there to be
ensured of hearing the news of the release.

Josh 

-Original Message-
From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question

Hi Josh,

Any chance of getting this beta early?

-Jason
On Nov 16, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Josh Adams wrote:

 It's possible that you're not doing anything wrong in regards to BD 7 
 beta--the installer may not have been tested on Intel Mac.  We would 
 expect, however, that if you could get it installed, it would run on 
 Intel Mac.
 However, we are working on an installer for BD 7 beta 2 for Intel Mac 
 that will be better for you anyway as it will support the native 
 adapters needed if you don't want to use BD's built-in web server.  We 
 expect to release that installer shortly after Thanksgiving.

 By all means, contact me any time in regards to BlueDragon.  Also, 
 note that our BlueDragon Interest mailing list is a great 
 resource--the people on that
 list are amazing at helping out with installation-related issues.   
 Check it
 out:

 http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/
 archive_search/index
 ..cfm

 Josh

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:46 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question

 Hi Josh,

 I tried the BlueDragon 7 beta and I cannot get it to install properly.

 It only installs the uninstall application, nothing else.

 the version 6.x installer works perfectly.

 So what do I do to fix my issue? I thought that I had everything set 
 correctly since it works on my Windows CF MX 7.02 server. I would 
 prefer to use OS X though.

 Can we chat about this more to see what I am doing wrong?

 Thanks,

 -Jason

 On Nov 15, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Josh Adams wrote:

 Are you still having this problem, Jason?  If so, are you using the 
 BlueDragon 7 beta?  If not, be sure to check it out!  You will need 
 the BlueDragon 7 beta (or any later version we release) to use 
 Application.cfc as versions of BlueDragon prior to 7 beta do not 
 support the automatic use of that file.

 Let us know where things stand!

 Thanks,
 Josh

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:38 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question

 I am still getting Application.dsn not found.

 -Jason

 On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:

 What error are you getting now?

 Rick

 Jason T. Slack wrote:
 Hi Rick,

 I noticed that. Here is what I have:

 1:
 2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and 
 password is right---
 3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
 5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar

 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

 and I have the following in application.cfc

cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
 output=false
  !--- When did the application start? ---
  cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()

cfset Application.dsn = webPOS

  cfreturn true
/cffunction

 -Jason

 On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:

 Jason T. Slack wrote:

 Yeah that put me further along in the process.

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

 You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute

 Should be

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#

 whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure 
 you're not missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched 
 #

 Rick

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RE: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-16 Thread Josh Adams

And the beta 2 which should be out by early December will support
Application.cfc as well.

But it's not quite as simple as converting Application.cfc to
Application.cfm.  Application.cfm is a chunk of procedural code executed at
the beginning of every request; Application.cfc is a component with methods
that fire in response to particular events.  However, depending on what of
those methods he needs, Jason may be able to take the appropriate parts of
his Application.cfc and put them in Application.cfm.

Josh 

-Original Message-
From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question

Oops, I meant Jason...

If you have BD 6.2 up and running on OS X all you have to do is convert your
Application.cfc file to Application.cfm. As was already mentioned, BD 6.2
does not support Application.cfc, but BD 7 which will be release in
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Re: BlueDragon Question

Check the case of the FILENAME for Application.cfm - make sure it has a 
capital A - it apparently makes a difference on unix type machines.

Rick

Jason T. Slack wrote:
 I am evaluating Blue Dragon for OS X since I am invested in CF (new  
 to it, but making the investment) and CF 7 does not run on Intel macs.
 
 I moved over an application that works on CF Server to Blue Dragon  
 install on my Powerbook.
 
 I setup a DSN called webPOS using the Blue Dragon Administrator  
 (MySQL 5). I also downloaded and followed the instructions for  
 Connector/J and Blue Dragon to talk nicely.
 
 When I try to run a CFQUERY I get:
 
 application.dsn doesn't exist.
 
 1:
 2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and  
 password is right---
 3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#application.dsn#
 4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
 5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
 
 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
 
 even though in my application.cfc i have the following:
 
 cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean  
 output=false
  !--- When did the application start? ---
  cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
   
   cfset application.dsn = webPOS
   
  cfreturn true
/cffunction
 
 Can you help me work through these issues?
 
 Thanks,
 
 -Jason
 
 
 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

Hi Rick,

Yeah that put me further along in the process.

Now I get:

The tag CFQUERY had no corresponding ending tag
Source  

20: cfelse
21:!--- login failed ---
22:cflocation url=index.cfm /
23: /cfif

^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

Here is the full code:

!--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and  
password is right---
cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#
SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
value=#form.user#
 AND LocationPassword = cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
value=#form.password#;
/cfquery

cfif ckCreds.recordCount EQ 1
!--- successful login ---

cfset SESSION.LocationID = #ckCreds.LocationID#
cfset SESSION.LocationName = #ckCreds.LocationName#

cfset SESSION.CurrentUser=

cflocation url=main.cfm /
cfelse
!--- login failed ---
cflocation url=index.cfm /
/cfif

Do my CF tags need to have proper capitalization? I thought I could  
do it all lowercase as described in CF WACK.

-Jason


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 Check the case of the FILENAME for Application.cfm - make sure it  
 has a
 capital A - it apparently makes a difference on unix type machines.


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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Teddy Payne

CF tags are not case sensitive and common practice is to have them all lower
case.

1)

cfset SESSION.LocationName = #ckCreds.LocationName#

For purposes of style and assumed functionality:

cfset SESSION.LocationName = ckCreds.LocationName

2)

You are missing a # symbol by the word application:

cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

should be

cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#application.dsn#

3)

For:
WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varcharvalue=#form.user#

Is the locationID column an integer in your database or a varchar?  If it is
an integer:

WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_integervalue=#form.user#


Teddy


On 11/15/06, Jason T. Slack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Rick,

 Yeah that put me further along in the process.

 Now I get:

 The tag CFQUERY had no corresponding ending tag
 Source

 20: cfelse
 21:!--- login failed ---
 22:cflocation url=index.cfm /
 23: /cfif

 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

 Here is the full code:

 !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and
 password is right---
 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#
 SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
   WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
 value=#form.user#
  AND LocationPassword = cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
 value=#form.password#;
 /cfquery

 cfif ckCreds.recordCount EQ 1
 !--- successful login ---

 cfset SESSION.LocationID = #ckCreds.LocationID#
 cfset SESSION.LocationName = #ckCreds.LocationName#

 cfset SESSION.CurrentUser=

 cflocation url=main.cfm /
 cfelse
 !--- login failed ---
 cflocation url=index.cfm /
 /cfif

 Do my CF tags need to have proper capitalization? I thought I could
 do it all lowercase as described in CF WACK.

 -Jason


 On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Rick Root wrote:

  Check the case of the FILENAME for Application.cfm - make sure it
  has a
  capital A - it apparently makes a difference on unix type machines.


 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

Jason T. Slack wrote:
 
 Yeah that put me further along in the process.

cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute

Should be

cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#

whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure you're not 
missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #

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Re: BlueDragon Question

Hi Teddy,

 2)

 You are missing a # symbol by the word application:

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

 should be

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#application.dsn#

Makes no difference, I still get an application.dsn doesn't exist  
message

 3)

 For:
 WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam  
 cfsqltype=cf_sql_varcharvalue=#form.user#

 Is the locationID column an integer in your database or a varchar?   
 If it is
 an integer:

 WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam  
 cfsqltype=cf_sql_integervalue=#form.user#

Varchar

Anymore thoughts?

-jason


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Re: BlueDragon Question

Hi Rick,

I noticed that. Here is what I have:

1:
2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and  
password is right---
3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar

^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

and I have the following in application.cfc


   cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean  
output=false
 !--- When did the application start? ---
 cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()

cfset Application.dsn = webPOS

 cfreturn true
   /cffunction

-Jason


On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:

 Jason T. Slack wrote:

 Yeah that put me further along in the process.

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

 You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute

 Should be

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#

 whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure  
 you're not
 missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #

 Rick

 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

What error are you getting now?

Rick

Jason T. Slack wrote:
 Hi Rick,
 
 I noticed that. Here is what I have:
 
 1:
 2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and  
 password is right---
 3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
 5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
 
 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
 
 and I have the following in application.cfc
 
 
cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean  
 output=false
  !--- When did the application start? ---
  cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
   
   cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
   
  cfreturn true
/cffunction
 
 -Jason
 
 
 On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:
 
 
Jason T. Slack wrote:

Yeah that put me further along in the process.

cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute

Should be

cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#

whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure  
you're not
missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #

Rick


 
 
 

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RE: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Munson, Jacob

Do you see your dsn if you cfdump var=#application# ? 

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:09 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question
 
 Hi Rick,
 
 I noticed that. Here is what I have:
 
 1:
 2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and  
 password is right---
 3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
 5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
 
 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
 
 and I have the following in application.cfc
 
 
cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean  
 output=false
  !--- When did the application start? ---
  cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
   
   cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
   
  cfreturn true
/cffunction
 
 -Jason

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Re: BlueDragon Question

I am still getting Application.dsn not found.

-Jason

On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:

 What error are you getting now?

 Rick

 Jason T. Slack wrote:
 Hi Rick,

 I noticed that. Here is what I have:

 1:
 2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and
 password is right---
 3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
 5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar

 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

 and I have the following in application.cfc


cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
 output=false
  !--- When did the application start? ---
  cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
  
  cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
  
  cfreturn true
/cffunction

 -Jason


 On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:


 Jason T. Slack wrote:

 Yeah that put me further along in the process.

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

 You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute

 Should be

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#

 whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure
 you're not
 missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #

 Rick






 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Teddy Payne

Is the file in the same directory as the application.cfc? If not, is there
another application.cfc or .cfm in the sub folder?

Teddy

On 11/15/06, Jason T. Slack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am still getting Application.dsn not found.

 -Jason

 On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:

  What error are you getting now?
 
  Rick
 
  Jason T. Slack wrote:
  Hi Rick,
 
  I noticed that. Here is what I have:
 
  1:
  2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and
  password is right---
  3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
  4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
  5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
 
  ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
 
  and I have the following in application.cfc
 
 
 cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
  output=false
   !--- When did the application start? ---
   cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
 
   cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
 
   cfreturn true
 /cffunction
 
  -Jason
 
 
  On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:
 
 
  Jason T. Slack wrote:
 
  Yeah that put me further along in the process.
 
  cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#
 
  You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute
 
  Should be
 
  cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 
  whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure
  you're not
  missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #
 
  Rick
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Aaron Roberson

Jason,

Did you get this resolved? If not, please post your current code and
error messages.

-Aaron

On 11/15/06, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is the file in the same directory as the application.cfc? If not, is there
 another application.cfc or .cfm in the sub folder?

 Teddy

 On 11/15/06, Jason T. Slack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I am still getting Application.dsn not found.
 
  -Jason
 
  On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:
 
   What error are you getting now?
  
   Rick
  
   Jason T. Slack wrote:
   Hi Rick,
  
   I noticed that. Here is what I have:
  
   1:
   2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and
   password is right---
   3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
   4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
   5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
  
   ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
  
   and I have the following in application.cfc
  
  
  cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
   output=false
!--- When did the application start? ---
cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
  
cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
  
cfreturn true
  /cffunction
  
   -Jason
  
  
   On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:
  
  
   Jason T. Slack wrote:
  
   Yeah that put me further along in the process.
  
   cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#
  
   You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute
  
   Should be
  
   cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
  
   whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure
   you're not
   missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #
  
   Rick
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Josh Nathanson

There is an interesting issue with BD that I discovered when I was trying it 
out.

I found that on Linux with Apache, when using user directories with Apache, 
BD it does not go up through the directory structure to find the 
Application.cfm or Application.cfc file, as it should.  If there is not one 
of those files in the same directory as the calling page, it fails to find 
any App.cfm or App.cfc file, so your Application.dsn variable would not be 
set.

I think you said you were on Mac OS, but maybe you could do a test -- set a 
simple variable in your Application file and see if it gets set properly. 
Or make sure your Application file is in the same directory as your calling 
page.

This may or may not be your issue, but it sounds like it could be the 
problem.

-- Josh


- Original Message - 
From: Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question


 Is the file in the same directory as the application.cfc? If not, is there
 another application.cfc or .cfm in the sub folder?

 Teddy

 On 11/15/06, Jason T. Slack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am still getting Application.dsn not found.

 -Jason

 On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:

  What error are you getting now?
 
  Rick
 
  Jason T. Slack wrote:
  Hi Rick,
 
  I noticed that. Here is what I have:
 
  1:
  2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and
  password is right---
  3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
  4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
  5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
 
  ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
 
  and I have the following in application.cfc
 
 
 cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
  output=false
   !--- When did the application start? ---
   cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
 
   cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
 
   cfreturn true
 /cffunction
 
  -Jason
 
 
  On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:
 
 
  Jason T. Slack wrote:
 
  Yeah that put me further along in the process.
 
  cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#
 
  You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute
 
  Should be
 
  cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 
  whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure
  you're not
  missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #
 
  Rick
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Munson, Jacob

 There is an interesting issue with BD that I discovered when 
 I was trying it 
 out.
 
 I found that on Linux with Apache, when using user 
 directories with Apache, 
 BD it does not go up through the directory structure to find the 
 Application.cfm or Application.cfc file, as it should.  If 
 there is not one 
 of those files in the same directory as the calling page, it 
 fails to find 
 any App.cfm or App.cfc file, so your Application.dsn variable 
 would not be 
 set.

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Mark Drew

Jason

can you run the following?:
cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=webPOS
SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
/cfquery


Regards

Mark Drew


On 15 Nov 2006, at 13:59, Jason T. Slack wrote:

 I am evaluating Blue Dragon for OS X since I am invested in CF (new
 to it, but making the investment) and CF 7 does not run on Intel macs.

 I moved over an application that works on CF Server to Blue Dragon
 install on my Powerbook.

 I setup a DSN called webPOS using the Blue Dragon Administrator
 (MySQL 5). I also downloaded and followed the instructions for
 Connector/J and Blue Dragon to talk nicely.

 When I try to run a CFQUERY I get:

 application.dsn doesn't exist.

 1:
 2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and
 password is right---
 3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#application.dsn#
 4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
 5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar

 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

 even though in my application.cfc i have the following:

 cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
 output=false
  !--- When did the application start? ---
  cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
   
   cfset application.dsn = webPOS
   
  cfreturn true
/cffunction

 Can you help me work through these issues?

 Thanks,

 -Jason


 

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Josh Nathanson


 Did you report this to New Atlanta?


Yes, and supposedly it was resolved...I stopped using the account though, so 
I hadn't applied the hotfix that was supposed to have resolved the issue.  I 
do recall someone on the NA mail list still having the same problem even 
after the hotfix though.  Maybe one of the NA folks who's on this list could 
address this issue.

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Re: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Jordan Michaels

Hi Jason,

I believe you misunderstood Rick Roots original Post. From what I've
read of this thread, it looks to me like you capitalized the A in your
CFML code, turning application.dsn into Application.dsn.

Rick was actually talking about your Application.cfc file itself - not
anything in your CFML code.

Since Windows is not a case-sensitive OS, it's common for CFML
developers who develop on Windows systems to forget - or not even know -
that the true CFML specification for the Application.cfm or the
Application.cfc tag is to CAPITALIZE the A in Application.cfm. Since
Linux and Mac OSX are UNIX-based, and UNIX is a case-sensitive OS, CFML
developers need to realize that this specification is enforced on those
systems. It's not enforced on Windows because Windows doesn't bother to
make the distinction when it comes to the names of your files.

So... to fix this, simply capitalize the A in your Application.cfc
file name.

Hope this helps!

--
Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
Blue Dragon Alliance Member
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Jason T. Slack wrote:
 I am still getting Application.dsn not found.
 
 -Jason
 
 On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:
 
 
What error are you getting now?

Rick

Jason T. Slack wrote:

Hi Rick,

I noticed that. Here is what I have:

1:
2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and
password is right---
3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar

^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

and I have the following in application.cfc


   cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
output=false
 !--- When did the application start? ---
 cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
 
 cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
 
 cfreturn true
   /cffunction

-Jason


On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:



Jason T. Slack wrote:


Yeah that put me further along in the process.

cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute

Should be

cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#

whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure
you're not
missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #

Rick

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Re: BlueDragon Question

Jason T. Slack wrote:
 I am still getting Application.dsn not found.

It's important to note that the onApplicationStart function ONLY runs 
when an application is initialized, which is generally a pretty rare 
occurrence for a web site that gets accessed a lot.

One way to force the application to restart is to restart coldfusion.

Alternatively, you could use the onRequestStart() method of the 
application.cfc in such a way that it forces reinitialization of the 
application based on some url parameter

ie...

cffunction name=onRequestStart returnType=boolean
cfif isDefined(url.init)
!--- reinit application start ---
cfreturn onApplicationStart()
cfelse
cfreturn true
/cfif
/cffunction

I haven't ever used application.cfc yet, so I don't know if that really 
would be valid or not.

Rick


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RE: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Josh Adams

We believe that issue to have been resolved fully as described here:

http://www.newatlanta.com/c/auth/support/bluedragon/bugtracking/detail?bugId
=2453

If anyone finds otherwise, please let us know.

Josh

-Original Message-
From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question


 Did you report this to New Atlanta?


Yes, and supposedly it was resolved...I stopped using the account though, so
I hadn't applied the hotfix that was supposed to have resolved the issue.  I
do recall someone on the NA mail list still having the same problem even
after the hotfix though.  Maybe one of the NA folks who's on this list could
address this issue.

-- Josh





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RE: BlueDragon Question

2006-11-15 Thread Josh Adams

Are you still having this problem, Jason?  If so, are you using the
BlueDragon 7 beta?  If not, be sure to check it out!  You will need the
BlueDragon 7 beta (or any later version we release) to use Application.cfc
as versions of BlueDragon prior to 7 beta do not support the automatic use
of that file.

Let us know where things stand!

Thanks,
Josh

-Original Message-
From: Jason T. Slack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: BlueDragon Question

I am still getting Application.dsn not found.

-Jason

On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rick Root wrote:

 What error are you getting now?

 Rick

 Jason T. Slack wrote:
 Hi Rick,

 I noticed that. Here is what I have:

 1:
 2: !--- Check Locations table first to see if the location id and 
 password is right---
 3: cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#
 4: SELECT LocationID, LocationName FROM Locations
 5:  WHERE LocationID = Cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar

 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source

 and I have the following in application.cfc


cffunction name=onApplicationStart returnType=boolean
 output=false
  !--- When did the application start? ---
  cfset APPLICATION.appStarted = now()
  
  cfset Application.dsn = webPOS
  
  cfreturn true
/cffunction

 -Jason


 On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Rick Root wrote:


 Jason T. Slack wrote:

 Yeah that put me further along in the process.

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=Application.dsn#

 You're missing an opening # sign on the datasource attribute

 Should be

 cfquery name=ckCreds datasource=#Application.dsn#

 whenever you get a missing end tag and you're absolutely sure you're 
 not missing an end tag, the likely culprit is an unmatched #

 Rick






 



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Re: BlueDragon Question