Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Windows 2k Advantages. CF(CFMX) Development JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development NET Development SQL Server Oracle Joe - Original Message - From: "Dick Applebaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact that > as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not > have equal resources with the competition. > > So, I am open to suggestions: > > If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be? > > I am seriously looking for suggestions! > > TIA > > Dick > > > On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > >> > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> What easter egg? > >>> > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > I like the CF Easter Egg > > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > > Sorry > > Michael. > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at least once a day (preferably twice). I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is very stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact that >as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not >have equal resources with the competition. > >So, I am open to suggestions: > >If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be? > >I am seriously looking for suggestions! > >TIA > >Dick > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > >> > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> What easter egg? > >>> > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > I like the CF Easter Egg > > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > > Sorry > > Michael. > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run redhat linux. Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's a day and a dollar too late). Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs on top of a stable platform like BSD. There is nothing inheritantly wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to be a heated discussion. I'd seriously invest in another layer of humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much. If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a development server. I don't think you realized the can of worms you opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;) ~Todd On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote: > Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact that > as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not > have equal resources with the competition. > > So, I am open to suggestions: > > If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be? > > I am seriously looking for suggestions! > > TIA > > Dick > > > On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > >> > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> What easter egg? > >>> > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > I like the CF Easter Egg > > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > > Sorry > > Michael. > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Joe Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your developer machine/ Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these available. The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained environment on a laptop -- that I can use for development and demonstration to clients. I have been burned too many times to think I can depend on MS-Access for demos. Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:17 AM, Joe Eugene wrote: > Windows 2k > Advantages. > CF(CFMX) Development > JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development > NET Development > SQL Server > Oracle > > Joe > > - Original Message - > From: "Dick Applebaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM > Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >> have equal resources with the competition. >> >> So, I am open to suggestions: >> >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? >> >> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >> >> TIA >> >> Dick >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > > What easter egg? > > At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >> I like the CF Easter Egg >> >>> >>> >>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>> Sorry >>> Michael. >>> >>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>> >>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>> >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >> > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Dick Applebaum wrote: > Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact that > as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not > have equal resources with the competition. > > So, I am open to suggestions: > > If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be? Assuming that "with no baggage" means both being able to afford it and having no prior experience with anything computer related so the learning curve would start at 0 for all platforms I would probably choose a Mac. Jochem __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but you also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 > -Original Message- > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at > least once a day (preferably twice). > > I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is very > stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. > > At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact that > >as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not > >have equal resources with the competition. > > > >So, I am open to suggestions: > > > >If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be? > > > >I am seriously looking for suggestions! > > > >TIA > > > >Dick > > > > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > > >> > > >> Dick > > >> > > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > > >> > > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > > >>> > > >>> What easter egg? > > >>> > > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > > > Sorry > > > Michael. > > > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only suggestion/concern I have is this: my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen. Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am running SP3 with all sec. patches. HTH, Big T -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at least once a day (preferably twice). I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is very stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact that >as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not >have equal resources with the competition. > >So, I am open to suggestions: > >If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be? > >I am seriously looking for suggestions! > >TIA > >Dick > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > >> > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> What easter egg? > >>> > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > >>>> > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > > Sorry > > Michael. > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run > redhat linux. Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way tho. > OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's a day > and a dollar too late). Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs on top > of a > stable platform like BSD. There is nothing inheritantly wrong with OSX > and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to be a heated > discussion. I'd seriously invest in another layer of humor and thick > skin and not worry about it so much. > The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue. What I need is an OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa. I spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on. I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, too. > If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to > yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a Which? Windows or Linux? Why? What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, self-contained development system? Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations; Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS? TIA Dick > development server. I don't think you realized the can of worms you > opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;) > > ~Todd > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote: > >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >> have equal resources with the competition. >> >> So, I am open to suggestions: >> >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? >> >> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >> >> TIA >> >> Dick >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > > What easter egg? > > At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >> I like the CF Easter Egg >> >>> >>> >>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>> Sorry >>> Michael. >>> >>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>> >>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>> >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >> > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4 Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux "special guy" "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > -Original Message- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but you > also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of > them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there > it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at > > least once a day (preferably twice). > > > > I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is > very > > stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. > > > > At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact > that > > >as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and > not > > >have equal resources with the competition. > > > > > >So, I am open to suggestions: > > > > > >If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it > be? > > > > > >I am seriously looking for suggestions! > > > > > >TIA > > > > > >Dick > > > > > > > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > > > > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > > > >> > > > >> Dick > > > >> > > > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > > > >>> > > > >>> What easter egg? > > > >>> > > > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > >>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > > > > Sorry > > > > Michael. > > > > > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
I did have a developer version of Oracle running in parallel with SQL Server...had to remove it. due to limitations of my hard drive.. i mean its cheap to get a new hard drive.. but i am tripple booting Win2k, Win NT and WinXP for development purposes and just havent had the time to re-build. I would love to get one of those 120GB WD SE's and Re-do all of it from scratch.. Maybe install Linux as well. NET Framework is free and coding in C#.. u really dont need anything.. other than a basic IDE. C# is basically Microsofts version of Java.. but compiled into MSIL before execution. SQL Server... I think u can get a developer edition. Joe - Original Message - From: "Dick Applebaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > Joe > > Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your developer machine/ > > Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these available. > > The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained environment on a > laptop -- that I can use for development and demonstration to clients. > > I have been burned too many times to think I can depend on MS-Access > for demos. > > Dick > > On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:17 AM, Joe Eugene wrote: > > > Windows 2k > > Advantages. > > CF(CFMX) Development > > JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development > > NET Development > > SQL Server > > Oracle > > > > Joe > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dick Applebaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM > > Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > > >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact > >> that > >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and > >> not > >> have equal resources with the competition. > >> > >> So, I am open to suggestions: > >> > >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it > >> be? > >> > >> I am seriously looking for suggestions! > >> > >> TIA > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > >> > >>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > >>>> > >>>> Dick > >>>> > >>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> What easter egg? > >>>>> > >>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > >>> Sorry > >>> Michael. > >>> > >>> Does anything work on a Mac??? > >>> > >>> Sorry Dick Only joking! > >>> > >>> > >>> Stephen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Linux, I like redhat's. But I, for one, would hate to see you give up on osx. -Craig __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
I'd choose Mac if software support were stronger...seems it's on it's way up so that's a good thing! Right now I work on Win2k pro and it's stabledoes what it needs. Stace -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice Dick Applebaum wrote: > Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact that > as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not > have equal resources with the competition. > > So, I am open to suggestions: > > If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be? Assuming that "with no baggage" means both being able to afford it and having no prior experience with anything computer related so the learning curve would start at 0 for all platforms I would probably choose a Mac. Jochem __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Build your own development box.. i dont trust whats in DELL or Gateway ... and wouldnt even consider HP. >From: "Tony Carcieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:45:56 -0400 > >Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only suggestion/concern >I >have is this: >my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he >installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen. >Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am >running SP3 with all sec. patches. > >HTH, >Big T > >-Original Message- >From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:23 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at >least once a day (preferably twice). > > I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is very >stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. > >At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact that > >as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and not > >have equal resources with the competition. > > > >So, I am open to suggestions: > > > >If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it be? > > > >I am seriously looking for suggestions! > > > >TIA > > > >Dick > > > > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > > >> > > >> Dick > > >> > > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > > >> > > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > > >>> > > >>> What easter egg? > > >>> > > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > > > Sorry > > > Michael. > > > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Jochem
Emotionally, I agree with you!
I am even teased when I come across a reference to the Mac (Darwin,
Rapsody, etc.) in the CFMX code.
I took this to mean that there was intent to support the Mac (past,
present or future).
From what I perceive, this is not likely to happen -- at bets the Mac
will be an unsupported platform.
But it is too much of a disadvantage to develop on an unsupported
platform.
I can't even report problems ("Oh, of course it won't work-- that's
unsupported-- does it work on platform X"?)
I can't expect real problems to be fixed, when the manufacturer doesn't
derive any income from the platform.
I often get derision or disrespect for my choice of an (obviously)
inferior platform -- even when asking a simple question.
I could easily spend 30 hours a week trying to get all the CFMX bells
and whistles working on my unsupported platform -- and never quite get
there!
Then, a future release of CFMX could include some "Must Have" fixes
(bugs, security, etc.) and specifically preclude running on the Mac.
So, for purposes of making a business decision, the Mac is not an
option for ColdFusion.
So, what is?
TIA
Dick
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:37 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> Dick Applebaum wrote:
>> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact
>> that
>> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and
>> not
>> have equal resources with the competition.
>>
>> So, I am open to suggestions:
>>
>> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it
>> be?
>
> Assuming that "with no baggage" means both being able to afford it and
> having no prior experience with anything computer related so the
> learning curve would start at 0 for all platforms I would probably
> choose a Mac.
>
> Jochem
>
>
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RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
See Dick, there is something worst than a Mac. A Gateway! *cringes* I refuse to touch a gateway, especially since years ago when I heard they were recycling refurbished parts as 'real parts' and ... well, my parents had a gateway and that was a war story itself. :P ~Todd On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Tony Carcieri wrote: > Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only suggestion/concern I > have is this: > my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he > installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen. > Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am > running SP3 with all sec. patches. > > HTH, > Big T -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
I prefer a Strong Bad brand 386. Has a text editor. Robert Everland III Web Developer Extraordinaire Dixon Ticonderoga Company http://www.dixonusa.com -Original Message- From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4 Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux "special guy" "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > -Original Message- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but > you also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. > Many of them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, > but there it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted > > at least once a day (preferably twice). > > > > I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is > very > > stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. > > > > At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact > that > > >as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and > not > > >have equal resources with the competition. > > > > > >So, I am open to suggestions: > > > > > >If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it > be? > > > > > >I am seriously looking for suggestions! > > > > > >TIA > > > > > >Dick > > > > > > > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > > > > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > > > >> > > > >> Dick > > > >> > > > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > > > >>> > > > >>> What easter egg? > > > >>> > > > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > >>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't > > > > resist. Sorry Michael. > > > > > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Why do you rule Access out as a viable db for demos? Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/10/02 01:57PM >>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >...(and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
This is what I currently run on my laptop: WinXP Pro (much better than 2000 ever wanted to be) CFMX Dev Edition NET MySQL 3.23 SQL Server 2000 PHP 4.2.3 I use various txt editors and DWMX depending on what I need to do. This set works extremely well for me. -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run > redhat linux. Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way > tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's > a day and a dollar too late). Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs > on top of a stable platform like BSD. There is nothing inheritantly > wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to > be a heated discussion. I'd seriously invest in another layer of > humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much. > The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue. What I need is an OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa. I spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on. I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, too. > If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to > yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a Which? Windows or Linux? Why? What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, self-contained development system? Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations; Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS? TIA Dick > development server. I don't think you realized the can of worms you > opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;) > > ~Todd > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote: > >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >> have equal resources with the competition. >> >> So, I am open to suggestions: >> >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? >> >> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >> >> TIA >> >> Dick >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >> >>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> What easter egg? >>>>> >>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>> Sorry Michael. >>> >>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>> >>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>> >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >> > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Yes, looking at the Warp web-site ( http://www-3.ibm.com/software/os/warp/ ) it does seem to be Y2K ready, and compatible with most Windows 3.x applications. Something I always look for in a develop system choice. I didn't realize that OS/2 was still available. At 01:57 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4 > >Jesse Noller >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Macromedia Server Development >Unix/Linux "special guy" > >"But I ned tacos! I need them or I will >explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > > > -Original Message- > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but you > > also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of > > them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there > > it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. > > > > Matt Liotta > > President & CEO > > Montara Software, Inc. > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > > > I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at > > > least once a day (preferably twice). > > > > > > I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is > > very > > > stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. > > > > > > At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact > > that > > > >as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and > > not > > > >have equal resources with the competition. > > > > > > > >So, I am open to suggestions: > > > > > > > >If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it > > be? > > > > > > > >I am seriously looking for suggestions! > > > > > > > >TIA > > > > > > > >Dick > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > > > > > > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > > > > >> > > > > >> Dick > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > > > > >>> > > > > >>> What easter egg? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > > > > > Sorry > > > > > Michael. > > > > > > > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > > > > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
> Which? Windows or Linux? If you want to keep things simple and don't want to have to fuss with linux driver compatibilities, etc. Then, go with Windows 2000 or XP. > Why? If you've never dealt with linux before, you'll thank me. Yes, it's gotten easier to install, but despite what Matt L. says, it doesn't mean it's gotten easier to use overall. > What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to > develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access > as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? If you want dbs that don't cost money: -MySQL -PostgreSQL Otherwise, SQL Server 2k (MDSE version is free I think) will run you a pretty penny (and, same with oracle). IBM DB2 Developer edition is free as well. > What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, > self-contained development system? Roughly $2-3 grand for hardware. The packages we got recently from dell runs about $1500-$1800, not bad for a work machine w/ 19" monitor. Software depends. What all are you looking to do? I run: -Apache (free) -CFMX Developer edition (free) -MySQL (free) -datamodelling tool (casestudio.com - $325) -Photoshop ($900+) -Flash MX (better off getting Studio MX for that price) Also misc. programs for sound editing, video editing, etc. There are plenty of free alternatives out there, but your development platform should try to mimic the production platform as close as possible. > Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations; -Dell, Alienware -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
> Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your > developer machine/ Yes, you can run all of those on a laptop. On my laptop, running Win2K Server SP3, I have SQL Server 2000 and the .NET Framework, among other things. I don't have Oracle installed right now, but several people here run Oracle 8.1.7 on their laptops, just for fun. > Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these > available. Yes. You can download Oracle from the Oracle Technet site for free, for development use (http://technet.oracle.com/). It requires some patience, since it's a very slow download, and Oracle 9i for Windows is four CDs. You can likewise download the .NET Framework and install it on any Windows 2000 machine for free - and that's all you really need for ASP.NET development. (Visual Studio.NET is nice, but there's a free ASP.NET development tool called WebMatrix available here: http://www.asp.net/.) There's a developer version of SQL Server 2000, but it's still about $400 or so, which isn't really that bad, but even there, you have alternatives. For CF development, you can use MSDE, which is essentially SQL Server without the Enterprise Manager console application: http://www.microsoft.com/sql/techinfo/development/2000/MSDE2000.asp > The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained > environment on a laptop -- that I can use for development > and demonstration to clients. In that case, I'd recommend Windows 2000 over Linux. There are several reasons I'd make that recommendation. One is simply that you're less likely to run into installation issues with your laptop - while Linux can be made to run on most laptops, the manufacturers don't necessarily make it easy. To take that one step farther, any gadgets that you want to hook up to your laptop will generally be supported under Windows, but maybe not under Linux. Another is familiarity - you and your clients are probably more familiar with the Windows interface; since you're getting this to demo to clients, they'll be looking right at it, and you won't have to answer stupid questions like "where's the Start menu on this thing". This extends to sharing files (Word docs, Powerpoint presentations, etc) with those clients. Another is simply that there are more commercial applications generally available on Windows - I can't think of one database diagrammer available for Linux, for example. I won't argue that Windows is a better server platform than Linux, but I think it's a more generally useful platform for most laptop users. But before you ditch OS X, you might just try running everything you need within Virtual PC, on either a Windows or Linux virtual OS. I do this for some things, and the performance isn't that bad for development purposes. On occasion, I run two virtual OS sessions (both Windows 2000, usually) without noticeable degradation in responses from services within those sessions. If I recall correctly, you already have a copy of Virtual PC, so you might have nothing to lose by trying this approach. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Dick, For development purposes/presentation only...either: Wintel: W2K CFStudio 5 CFMX Developer's Edition MySQL MySQL-Front (discontinued...that sux!) VMware Linux RedHat 7.2 or 7.3 CFMX Developer's Edition KDE MySQL or PostgreSQL Vmware (some type of IDE...I'm sure others have a better opinion about this) Cost - $2,000-$4,000 depending on your hardware Laptops? I would go either IBM or Dell -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run > redhat linux. Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way > tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's > a day and a dollar too late). Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs > on top of a stable platform like BSD. There is nothing inheritantly > wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to > be a heated discussion. I'd seriously invest in another layer of > humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much. > The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue. What I need is an OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa. I spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on. I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, too. > If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to > yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a Which? Windows or Linux? Why? What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, self-contained development system? Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations; Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS? TIA Dick > development server. I don't think you realized the can of worms you > opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;) > > ~Todd > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote: > >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >> have equal resources with the competition. >> >> So, I am open to suggestions: >> >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? >> >> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >> >> TIA >> >> Dick >> __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Dick, I did have a developer version of Oracle running in parallel with SQL Server...had to remove it due to limitations of my hard drive.. i mean its cheap to get a new hard drive..but i am tripple booting Win2k, Win NT and WinXP for development purposes and just havent had the time to re-build. I would love to get one of those 120GB WD SE's and Re-do all of it from scratch.. Maybe install Linux as well. NET Framework is free and coding in C#.. u really dont need anything.. other than a basic IDE. C# is basically Microsofts version of Java.. but compiled into MSIL before execution. SQL Server... I think u can get a developer edition. Joe >From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:31:36 -0700 > >Joe > >Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your developer machine/ > >Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these available. > >The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained environment on a >laptop -- that I can use for development and demonstration to clients. > >I have been burned too many times to think I can depend on MS-Access >for demos. > >Dick > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:17 AM, Joe Eugene wrote: > > > Windows 2k > > Advantages. > > CF(CFMX) Development > > JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development > > NET Development > > SQL Server > > Oracle > > > > Joe > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dick Applebaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM > > Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > > >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact > >> that > >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and > >> not > >> have equal resources with the competition. > >> > >> So, I am open to suggestions: > >> > >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it > >> be? > >> > >> I am seriously looking for suggestions! > >> > >> TIA > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > >> > >>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > >>>> > >>>> Dick > >>>> > >>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> What easter egg? > >>>>> > >>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > >>> Sorry > >>> Michael. > >>> > >>> Does anything work on a Mac??? > >>> > >>> Sorry Dick Only joking! > >>> > >>> > >>> Stephen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Gateway has replaced my monitor ~10 times. I keep having the same problem. At least 2 or 3 of them didn't work right out of box. Very frustrating... I'm almost out of warranty, so I hope this monitor sticks. At 02:37 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >See Dick, there is something worst than a Mac. A Gateway! *cringes* > >I refuse to touch a gateway, especially since years ago when I heard they >were recycling refurbished parts as 'real parts' and ... well, my parents >had a gateway and that was a war story itself. :P > >~Todd > > >On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Tony Carcieri wrote: > > > Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only > suggestion/concern I > > have is this: > > my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he > > installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen. > > Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am > > running SP3 with all sec. patches. > > > > HTH, > > Big T > >-- > >Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | > Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | >http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | >http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| >http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | > > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Too Funny! I thought a MM guy would be trying to help not hinder! I know, you just couldn't resist! ;-) At 10:57 AM 9/10/02, you wrote: >I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4 > >Jesse Noller >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Macromedia Server Development >Unix/Linux "special guy" > >"But I ned tacos! I need them or I will >explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > >> -Original Message- >> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >> >> IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but you >> also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of >> them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there >> it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. >> >> Matt Liotta >> President & CEO >> Montara Software, Inc. >> http://www.montarasoftware.com/ >> 888-408-0900 x901 >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >> > >> > I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at >> > least once a day (preferably twice). >> > >> > I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is >> very >> > stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. >> > >> > At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >> > >Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >> > >as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >> > >have equal resources with the competition. >> > > >> > >So, I am open to suggestions: >> > > >> > >If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? >> > > >> > >I am seriously looking for suggestions! >> > > >> > >TIA >> > > >> > >Dick >> > > >> > > >> > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >> > > >> > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >> > > >> >> > > >> Dick >> > > >> >> > > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan >> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >> > > >>> >> > > >>> What easter egg? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >> > > >>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >> > > >>>> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >> > > > Sorry >> > > > Michael. >> > > > >> > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? >> > > > >> > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Stephen >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 , Dick Applebaum wrote: > The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue. What I need is an > OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa. Well, it really depends on how closely you need your laptop to mirror any production environment you're building for. If your target is Solaris / Oracle, then developing on Windows / SQL Server will probably hurt you (because SQL Server and Oracle are so different). Depends on how much SQL you're developing. Linux / Oracle (free!) seems a good option. Linux is very stable and fast. There's a lot of good tools for it. Linux is case sensitive so developing on Linux also means you won't have pain through trying to port CaSeInSeNsItIvE Windows code to Unix. Mostly, this is an issue of database support. I'm doing some very Oracle-specific stuff right now which means I need a network connection to an Oracle 9i instance (since Oracle doesn't run on my Mac). In general, when I'm not pushing the Oracle envelope, Mac does just fine for me and I find it less hassle than Linux for day-to-day work (since you also need to deal with documents, email, graphics etc etc). Make a list of exactly what software you need (generically) and then pick good options for each platform and make your decision based on that. Just for the record, here's my development environment: - Mac OS X (relying heavily on BSD and Java 1.3.1 environments) - CFMX port (with the known non-working stuff) - Oracle 9i drivers and a 'net connection to a suitable instance - SQL Grinder for working with databases - DWMX for some editing, vi for others - Flash MX, Fireworks MX (for all graphics, rich client stuff) - Mac CVS for version control - Office X (a partially necessary evil) - Fire (multi-client chat app) > What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to > develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access > as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? That appears to be the *big* question... > What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, > self-contained development system? Including all the software? > Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS? See above - this will also have a big impact on cost. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
I like stable! I like free! I especially like not being at the mercy and whim of the manufacturer! I assume, Apache as a Web Server -- if not, what? Which Linux -- SuSE o0r RH -- I've heard RH 7.3 and CFMX have problems. I've got RH &.2 & it seemsd nice under emulation. Which GUI, if any? I prefer KDE, but am open to valid reasons! What databases on the same box for development? What databases for deployment that are easy to transition from the development dbs? What Java Application server platform? JRun or other? I have been fooling with ViennaSQL as a generaL-purpose GUI SQL client -- anything you'd recommend over ViennaSQL? I am investigating Jedit and it seems *really* nice! -- anything better? TIA Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:37 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: > IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but > you > also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of > them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there > it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 > >> -Original Message- >> From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >> >> I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted at >> least once a day (preferably twice). >> >> I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is > very >> stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. >> >> At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact > that >>> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and > not >>> have equal resources with the competition. >>> >>> So, I am open to suggestions: >>> >>> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it > be? >>> >>> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Dick >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >>> >>>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >>>>> >>>>> Dick >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> What easter egg? >>>>>> >>>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>>> Sorry >>>> Michael. >>>> >>>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>>> >>>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:09 , Joe Eugene wrote: > C# is basically Microsofts version of Java.. Pardon? "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Jesse Knowing some of your platform preferences, I don't think that is a serious answer -- the original question is serious, though! Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4 > > Jesse Noller > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Macromedia Server Development > Unix/Linux "special guy" > > "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will > explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > >> -Original Message- >> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >> >> IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but >> you >> also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many >> of >> them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but >> there >> it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. >> >> Matt Liotta >> President & CEO >> Montara Software, Inc. >> http://www.montarasoftware.com/ >> 888-408-0900 x901 >> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM >>> To: CF-Talk >>> Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >>> >>> I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted >>> at >>> least once a day (preferably twice). >>> >>> I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is >> very >>> stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. >>> >>> At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >>>> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >>>> have equal resources with the competition. >>>> >>>> So, I am open to suggestions: >>>> >>>> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? >>>> >>>> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >>>> >>>>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dick >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What easter egg? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>>>> Sorry >>>>> Michael. >>>>> >>>>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
One added note... If all the software support was there, especially if CF Developer's Edition was supported on Mac, I personally would look at a laptop with OSX. Just always seems like one little thing is missing. -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run > redhat linux. Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way > tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's > a day and a dollar too late). Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs > on top of a stable platform like BSD. There is nothing inheritantly > wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to > be a heated discussion. I'd seriously invest in another layer of > humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much. > The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue. What I need is an OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa. I spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on. I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, too. > If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to > yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a Which? Windows or Linux? Why? What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, self-contained development system? Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations; Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS? TIA Dick > development server. I don't think you realized the can of worms you > opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;) > > ~Todd > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote: > >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >> have equal resources with the competition. >> >> So, I am open to suggestions: >> >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? >> >> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >> >> TIA >> >> Dick >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >> >>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> What easter egg? >>>>> >>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>> Sorry Michael. >>> >>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>> >>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>> >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >> > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:09 AM, Joe Eugene wrote: > I did have a developer version of Oracle running in parallel with SQL > Server...had to remove it. > due to limitations of my hard drive.. i mean its cheap to get a new > hard > drive.. > but i am tripple booting Win2k, Win NT and WinXP for development > purposes > and > just havent had the time to re-build. I would love to get one of those > 120GB > WD SE's > and Re-do all of it from scratch.. Maybe install Linux as well. I just bought a 160 Gig external firewire -- it is faster than the laptop's 40 gig internal drive -- will firewire work on an intel box or do I need to get something else? > > NET Framework is free and coding in C#.. u really dont need anything.. > other than > a basic IDE. C# is basically Microsofts version of Java.. but compiled > into > MSIL before > execution. I'd rather avoid a proprietary language -- especially if the owner is Microsoft-- if I am going to do this, I want to have the maximum exposure to accept profitable development opportunities and be at the smallest risk that my investment of $ and time can be held hostage by a software or hardware manufacturer -- that's the major reason to make the change. > > SQL Server... I think u can get a developer edition. I (reluctantly admits) like SQL-Server -- nice! What about IBM's DB2- I have a developer version of that? Dick > > Joe > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dick Applebaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > >> Joe >> >> Do you have NET, SQL Server Oracle installed on your developer >> machine/ >> >> Are there free/reasonable developer versions of these available. >> >> The reason I ask is I want a completely self-contained environment on >> a >> laptop -- that I can use for development and demonstration to clients. >> >> I have been burned too many times to think I can depend on MS-Access >> for demos. >> >> Dick >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:17 AM, Joe Eugene wrote: >> >>> Windows 2k >>> Advantages. >>> CF(CFMX) Development >>> JSP(CFMX) or Tomcat Development >>> NET Development >>> SQL Server >>> Oracle >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Dick Applebaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:12 PM >>> Subject: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >>> >>> >>>> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >>>> that >>>> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >>>> not >>>> have equal resources with the competition. >>>> >>>> So, I am open to suggestions: >>>> >>>> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >>>> be? >>>> >>>> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >>>> >>>>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dick >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What easter egg? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>>>> Sorry >>>>> Michael. >>>>> >>>>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
I collect operating systems like space aliens collect mobile homes. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux "special guy" "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > -Original Message- > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:31 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > Yes, looking at the Warp web-site ( > http://www-3.ibm.com/software/os/warp/ ) it does seem to be Y2K ready, and > compatible with most Windows 3.x applications. Something I always look > for > in a develop system choice. > > I didn't realize that OS/2 was still available. > > At 01:57 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4 > > > >Jesse Noller > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Macromedia Server Development > >Unix/Linux "special guy" > > > >"But I ned tacos! I need them or I will > >explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > > > IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but > you > > > also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many > of > > > them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but > there > > > it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > President & CEO > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > > > > > I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted > at > > > > least once a day (preferably twice). > > > > > > > > I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is > > > very > > > > stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. > > > > > > > > At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact > > > that > > > > >as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and > > > not > > > > >have equal resources with the competition. > > > > > > > > > >So, I am open to suggestions: > > > > > > > > > >If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it > > > be? > > > > > > > > > >I am seriously looking for suggestions! > > > > > > > > > >TIA > > > > > > > > > >Dick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dick > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> What easter egg? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > > > > > > Sorry > > > > > > Michael. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anything work on a Mac??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry Dick Only joking! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Craig Thomas wrote: > Linux, I like redhat's. But I, for one, would hate to see you give up > on > osx. I would naturally tend towards Linux over Windows. So far, the number suggesting each seems to be about even. No more than me--- but there comes a time to move on! Dick > > -Craig > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Stable & does what it needs -- two pretty good recommendations! Looking to the future, I plan to do some Java development -- does this influence the platform choice? Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:13 AM, Stacy Young wrote: > I'd choose Mac if software support were stronger...seems it's on it's > way up > so that's a good thing! > > Right now I work on Win2k pro and it's stabledoes what it needs. > > Stace > > -Original Message- > From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:38 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > Dick Applebaum wrote: >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >> have equal resources with the competition. >> >> So, I am open to suggestions: >> >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? > > Assuming that "with no baggage" means both being able to afford it and > having no prior experience with anything computer related so the > learning curve would start at 0 for all platforms I would probably > choose a Mac. > > Jochem > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
I personally have stuck with Win2k and have been very pleased. I run three dev boxes. Two desktops and one laptop. One desktop runs Apache and the others are IIS. I primarily develop in mySQL/win. Its dirt-simple to use, free, resource-light, has a great enterprise mgr (3rd party) and is what I use in production. I recode as needed (usually only db create and alter templates) for Oracle, MS SQL and Access. One dev box with 1gb of RAM has mySQL, MSDE (SQL Server) and Oracle 9i running, all at the same time, w/about 400 mb ram unused at bootup. The key to this is boatloads of RAM. Oracle is the big hog in this regard. All machines also run cf 4.5 and cfmx (port 8500) concurrently. I use Studio 4.5. I'll bet you can still get a copy cheap on ebay. My laptop runs mySQL and MSDE only. Thats all I need for road warrior stuff. My desktops are - get this - P II 400's maybe 2 yrs old, built to spec. With a lot of ram and disk space thats fine for dev work, although MX's sloth is changing that opinion. The laptop is one of those teeny 3lb, 1'' thick Sonys with a 12'' scrn. When I travel I like it light. Cost me $1100 on a closeout at CDW last November. --- Matt Robertson[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc., www.mysecretbase.com --- __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
I really, really hate to say this but, if you are a Mac user the closet match for you will most likely be Windows 2000 or XP. Unless you really like the terminal window (command line) in OSX. Then maybe Linux may fit you. I do realize that Linux has many GUI that are very good, but you will still have to use the command line some time. Most Mac users I know are terrified of that command line thingy. MHO Mark W. Breneman -Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer -Network / Web Server Administrator Vivid Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vividmedia.com 608.270.9770 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > Which? Windows or Linux? If you want to keep things simple and don't want to have to fuss with linux driver compatibilities, etc. Then, go with Windows 2000 or XP. > Why? If you've never dealt with linux before, you'll thank me. Yes, it's gotten easier to install, but despite what Matt L. says, it doesn't mean it's gotten easier to use overall. > What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to > develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access > as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? If you want dbs that don't cost money: -MySQL -PostgreSQL Otherwise, SQL Server 2k (MDSE version is free I think) will run you a pretty penny (and, same with oracle). IBM DB2 Developer edition is free as well. > What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, > self-contained development system? Roughly $2-3 grand for hardware. The packages we got recently from dell runs about $1500-$1800, not bad for a work machine w/ 19" monitor. Software depends. What all are you looking to do? I run: -Apache (free) -CFMX Developer edition (free) -MySQL (free) -datamodelling tool (casestudio.com - $325) -Photoshop ($900+) -Flash MX (better off getting Studio MX for that price) Also misc. programs for sound editing, video editing, etc. There are plenty of free alternatives out there, but your development platform should try to mimic the production platform as close as possible. > Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations; -Dell, Alienware -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Joe That's probably good advice for most, but I'd prefer off-the-shelf hardware -- even if I pay more -- just so I don't have to screw around with the hardware. I figure regardless of platform I will need to constantly fiddle with the software. I have some experience with, Win 31, win 95, win 98, win NT, win XP (the nag), Yellow Dog Linux, Red Hat Linux, and BSD Mac OS X. I have developed with everything from Assembler, AlGol, ForTran, CoBOL, Forth, APL, Tiny C, Pascal, Perl, PHP, VBS, JavaScript/JScript, Flash/ActionScript, Java, and ColdFusion -- I like ColdFusion the best -- but thing that Java will be a requirement. I want to concentrate on application solutions -- so the less non-related requirement of my time, the better. Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:14 AM, Joe Eugene wrote: > > Build your own development box.. i dont trust whats in DELL or Gateway > ... > and wouldnt even consider HP. > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) I am actually pricing out a new system: P4 2.8 GHZ 1 GIG O RAM 128MB Video Dual 15in flat mon 120 GB HD CDRW & DVD ROM Should be enough power to run all the crap on my poor P3 450 256 Ram Dell Inspiron... That thing is running: SQL 2K CFMX CF5 DWMX HS + Flash5 Flash MX NET SDK Java2 and a SLEW of other crap. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice See Dick, there is something worst than a Mac. A Gateway! *cringes* I refuse to touch a gateway, especially since years ago when I heard they were recycling refurbished parts as 'real parts' and ... well, my parents had a gateway and that was a war story itself. :P ~Todd On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Tony Carcieri wrote: > Ditto. I have used it since it first came out. The only suggestion/concern I > have is this: > my father-in-law has a Gateway System (about 2 years old now) and when he > installed SP3, it crashed his computer HARD! All he got was a blue screen. > Me, personally, have not had any trouble on both Dell machines and I am > running SP3 with all sec. patches. > > HTH, > Big T -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
You can - as you mentioned - use MSDE for MS SQL. Its free, included on any Office CD and if you own an MS product with MSDE on it you are licensed to use it (I checked with MS a few months back). But you don't get the Enterprise Manager. I use a combination of SQL statements and eyeballing the data in Studio's odbc tab. Fortunately not my primary environment. Oracle, however, won't set a developer back any money at all. Just go to Oracle.com and sign up for a dev license. You get a fully functional ver licensed only for dev use. Then all you need is a couple of gigs of space and a bunch of time to download the monstrous thing... and about 500 mb of RAM to run it without paging. --- Matt Robertson[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc., www.mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Otherwise, SQL Server 2k (MDSE version is free I think) will run you a pretty penny (and, same with oracle). IBM DB2 Developer edition is free as well. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Dick, I've used a Windows2K box for a couple years now with pretty solid performance using the following: CF Server 4, 4.5, 5 and then MX IIS 5 Webserver - included in the Win2K Pro OS SQL Server 2000 Developer Edition MySQL Access 2000 (spit) Tomcat Jakarta Apache 1.3.x (not in unison, mind you - in a separate install) For development IDE - CF Studio 4, 5 and then HomeSite+ as well as Jedit (which is equally beautiful on the PC as on Mac). The up side is it runs everything on one box, the downside is it's Windows. The other downside is that it's pricey if you have to buy all this software for Windows. As far as hardware requirements, I've run it on two machines: 1. Compaq Presario 1200 XL-111 500 mhz AMD K6-2 192mb Ram 6gb HDD 2. Sony VAIO PCG-F590 700 mhz PIII 128mb Ram 17gb HDD Both ran reasonably well and it was easy enough since everything was on one machine. It can be painful if you don't have enough RAM or if you're working with a fairly large DB. But for development purposes I always use a subset of data anyway. The only other downside I can see is that with Win2K PRO I get problems from time to time with IIS saying that "too many people are connected to the webserver" and locking me out. I believe Win2K PRO has a setting to allow only 10 connections to the server and I have yet to find a way to change that as the logical location has the option greyed out. I primarilly get this when working with a multi-framed document. I've not used CF on Linux so I can't comment there, nor have I worked with Oracle, so I can't comment there either. Hope this helps, Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run > redhat linux. Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way > tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's > a day and a dollar too late). Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs > on top of a stable platform like BSD. There is nothing inheritantly > wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to > be a heated discussion. I'd seriously invest in another layer of > humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much. > The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue. What I need is an OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa. I spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on. I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, too. > If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to > yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a Which? Windows or Linux? Why? What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, self-contained development system? Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations; Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS? TIA Dick > development server. I don't think you realized the can of worms you > opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;) > > ~Todd > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote: > >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >> have equal resources with the competition. >> >> So, I am open to suggestions: >> >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? >> >> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >> >> TIA >> >> Dick >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >> >>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> What easter egg? >>>>> >>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Ok I shouldn't really
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Clint Thanks! Remember, I am starting from scratch. I have some recently-purchased Mac gear that I will take a loss on, too! What hardware & approx Cost? What is the approx cost of Software? TIA Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:25 AM, Clint Tredway wrote: > This is what I currently run on my laptop: > WinXP Pro (much better than 2000 ever wanted to be) > CFMX Dev Edition > NET > MySQL 3.23 > SQL Server 2000 > PHP 4.2.3 > > I use various txt editors and DWMX depending on what I need to do. > This set works extremely well for me. > > -Original Message- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run >> redhat linux. Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way >> tho. OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's > >> a day and a dollar too late). Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs >> on top of a stable platform like BSD. There is nothing inheritantly >> wrong with OSX and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to >> be a heated discussion. I'd seriously invest in another layer of >> humor and thick skin and not worry about it so much. >> > > The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue. What I need is an > OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa. I > spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X > platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. > I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on. > > I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, > too. > >> If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to >> yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a > > Which? Windows or Linux? > > Why? > > What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to > develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access > as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? > > What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, > self-contained development system? > > Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations; > > Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS? > > TIA > > Dick > > > >> development server. I don't think you realized the can of worms you >> opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;) >> >> ~Todd >> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote: >> >>> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >>> that >>> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >>> not >>> have equal resources with the competition. >>> >>> So, I am open to suggestions: >>> >>> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >>> be? >>> >>> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Dick >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >>> >>>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >>>>> >>>>> Dick >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> What easter egg? >>>>>> >>>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>>> Sorry Michael. >>>> >>>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>>> >>>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Dick, just think of it this way... if you develop on a MS platform, you'll be able to bill the clients for 25% more time than it would take to develop on a mac! Besides, the clients are probably more used to inferior product! Now, in all seriousness, I develop CF on a W2k box at my office because that is what they provide me. They pay for all the software/hardware and I get to use what THEY pick for databases etc. so I can't give much help with free software. I'm thinking of trying to develop CF as a side job to raise some money, but would guess I won't get to do that on my iMac (even tho I'd kill to be able to do so!). I've seen some vendors traveling with 2 laptops and they do demos with them cabled together - one is the 'server' and the other is the 'client' - they do that because the customers don't believe that there's any way you can put a server on a laptop and do demos like it is both a client and server! Maybe you could buy a cheap non-apple laptop and install Linux server on it and impress the clients with your portable network! You could still use your mac as the client and development box. If you do decide to venture over to the dark side, I wouldn't blame you... my kids would rather eat than just be happy saying Daddy develops on a macintosh! I will say that I (tho I'm sure I'm in the minority) do appreciate your efforts and your constant chatter on this list. I try to read every one of your notes because you've got the kind of guts to state your opinions (no matter how wrong everyone else is! HA). You're my kind of guy. Good luck Mitch -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If the majority of the program I ran wasn't windows based, I'd run > redhat linux. Dick, I think you're going about this the wrong way tho. > OSX shows a lot of promise from what I've seen (despite that it's a day > and a dollar too late). Hell, I'm jealous of OSX that it runs on top > of a > stable platform like BSD. There is nothing inheritantly wrong with OSX > and the MyOS is better than YourOS is always going to be a heated > discussion. I'd seriously invest in another layer of humor and thick > skin and not worry about it so much. > The fact that an OS is good or bad isn't the issue. What I need is an OS that supports my Developer platform of choice and vise-versa. I spent a lot of time on the port and vocal support of CFMX-Mac OS X platform... a lot of time that could have been spent earning an income. I gave it my best shot, butnow it's time to move on. I can add the layer of humor and skin -- but I gotta' pay the bills, too. > If you really want to make everyone happy on the list (opposed to > yourself) then... get a wintel or redhat box for the purpose of a Which? Windows or Linux? Why? What db(s) should I put on the developer box -- I want to be able to develop and demonstrate entirely on a laptop (and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for presentations/demonstrations)? What should I expect to pay for hardware & software for a complete, self-contained development system? Also looking for hardware brand/source recommendations; Also, what software packages beyoun the basic OS? TIA Dick > development server. I don't think you realized the can of worms you > opened on yourself when you ported CFMX to OSX. ;) > > ~Todd > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Dick Applebaum wrote: > >> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact >> that >> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and >> not >> have equal resources with the competition. >> >> So, I am open to suggestions: >> >> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it >> be? >> >> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >> >> TIA >> >> Dick >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >> >>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> What easter egg? >>>>> >>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>> Sorry >>> Michael. >>> >>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>> >>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>> >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >> > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Because I've been burned, several times. MS-Access can lock up with as few as 1 concurrent user. It is not always easy to recover (get rid of the idb file). Just not the sort of thing you want to do in the middle of a presentation. Don't get me wrong -- MS-Acces has its place -- it is just not good for an online web application. Dick ' On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > Why do you rule Access out as a viable db for demos? > > Jerry Johnson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/10/02 01:57PM >>> > On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> ...(and I rule out MS-Access as a viable db for >> presentations/demonstrations)? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
HP systems are great, we have a couple dozen HP LPR's and they are absolutely great, but overpriced systems. We have switched to Intel rackmounts, same systems without some of the perks of the HP systems, for a couple thousand less, and they are black :) We just got an Intel dual P4 Xeon today...first time I've seen a hyperthreading system. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, September 10, 2002, 2:14:37 PM, you wrote: JE> Build your own development box.. i dont trust whats in DELL or Gateway ... JE> and wouldnt even consider HP. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
Matt You make it sound like I can sell my Mac stuff, buy equivalent wintel & come out $ ahead?? Should I expect to get win2K or win XP included in the price of a laptop? Do you find MySQL deficiencies (transaction, stored procedures, etc), force recoding or dumbing-down of your db interface? What's the 3rd party enterprise manager? How much? Wouldn't PostgreSQL be closer to a (normal) deployment db? Wouldn't MDSE allow you develop code closer to that which will (usually) be deployed? I don't see Oracle as a standard development db, other than for testing before final deployment. Since I won't have baggage, I probably can avoid back versions of CF and IDE tools (Studio). All my clients are deployed on CF 5. I think that JEdit will be my choice for an editor. Lots of good info thanks Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 12:42 PM, Matt Robertson wrote: > I personally have stuck with Win2k and have been very pleased. I run > three dev boxes. Two desktops and one laptop. One desktop runs > Apache and the others are IIS. > > I primarily develop in mySQL/win. Its dirt-simple to use, free, > resource-light, has a great enterprise mgr (3rd party) and is what I > use in production. I recode as needed (usually only db create and > alter templates) for Oracle, MS SQL and Access. > > One dev box with 1gb of RAM has mySQL, MSDE (SQL Server) and Oracle 9i > running, all at the same time, w/about 400 mb ram unused at bootup. > The key to this is boatloads of RAM. Oracle is the big hog in this > regard. > > All machines also run cf 4.5 and cfmx (port 8500) concurrently. I use > Studio 4.5. I'll bet you can still get a copy cheap on ebay. > > My laptop runs mySQL and MSDE only. Thats all I need for road warrior > stuff. > > My desktops are - get this - P II 400's maybe 2 yrs old, built to > spec. With a lot of ram and disk space thats fine for dev work, > although MX's sloth is changing that opinion. The laptop is one of > those teeny 3lb, 1'' thick Sonys with a 12'' scrn. When I travel I > like it light. Cost me $1100 on a closeout at CDW last November. > > > --- > Matt Robertson[EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSB Designs, Inc., www.mysecretbase.com > --- > > > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice
On a side note, I'm writing some BeanShells for JEdit to emulate CFStudio's tag and function help - at least in some form. A popup list of Tags, Functions and their syntax for now - then a fully dockable version for true Studio emulation. The cool thing is they work on all platforms once written ;) Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I like stable! I like free! I especially like not being at the mercy and whim of the manufacturer! I assume, Apache as a Web Server -- if not, what? Which Linux -- SuSE o0r RH -- I've heard RH 7.3 and CFMX have problems. I've got RH &.2 & it seemsd nice under emulation. Which GUI, if any? I prefer KDE, but am open to valid reasons! What databases on the same box for development? What databases for deployment that are easy to transition from the development dbs? What Java Application server platform? JRun or other? I have been fooling with ViennaSQL as a generaL-purpose GUI SQL client -- anything you'd recommend over ViennaSQL? I am investigating Jedit and it seems *really* nice! -- anything better? TIA Dick On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:37 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: > IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but > you > also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many of > them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but there > it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 > >> -Original Message- >> From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >> >> I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted >> at least once a day (preferably twice). >> >> I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is > very >> stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. >> >> At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact > that >>> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and > not >>> have equal resources with the competition. >>> >>> So, I am open to suggestions: >>> >>> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it > be? >>> >>> I am seriously looking for suggestions! >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Dick >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: >>> >>>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? >>>>> >>>>> Dick >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> What easter egg? >>>>>> >>>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. >>>> Sorry Michael. >>>> >>>> Does anything work on a Mac??? >>>> >>>> Sorry Dick Only joking! >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 12:17 , Dick Applebaum wrote: > I assume, Apache as a Web Server -- if not, what? Yes, Apache (even on Windows, as far as I'm concerned). > Which GUI, if any? I prefer KDE, but am open to valid reasons! That's a religious issue :) > I am investigating Jedit and it seems *really* nice! -- anything better? vi rocks :) Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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>>I would naturally tend towards Linux over Windows. So far, the number >>suggesting each seems to be about even. If it's got to be a laptop, I have to weigh in on the windoze side. Too many driver/hardware problems with my laptop and RedHat Linux, so I use w2k. The only thing I miss on it from my rh linux server is postGreSQL (windoze version in beta). For dbs, I use MSDE and mySql. I am running CF 5 with Apache 1.3 and CFMX standalone (along with php 4, and Apache's tomcat servlet container). -Craig >>Dick __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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> I just bought a 160 Gig external firewire -- it is faster > than the laptop's 40 gig internal drive -- will firewire > work on an intel box or do I need to get something else? Firewire works fine under Windows 2000, as long as your machine has a Firewire port. Most new high-end laptops have them. There are add-on Firewire cards for desktops and laptops. I use a Firewire DVD+RW burner on two machines here - one Mac, one PC, and it works nicely with both. > I'd rather avoid a proprietary language -- especially if > the owner is Microsoft-- if I am going to do this, I want > to have the maximum exposure to accept profitable development > opportunities and be at the smallest risk that my investment > of $ and time can be held hostage by a software or hardware > manufacturer -- that's the major reason to make the change. I wouldn't worry too much about .NET going anywhere in the near future. Besides, Java is proprietary too, in many respects - it's largely controlled by Sun, never mind what they tell you about the "Java Community Process". Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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> Should I expect to get win2K or win XP included in the price > of a laptop? Yes; you'll find it hard to get a laptop without them. > I don't see Oracle as a standard development db, other than > for testing before final deployment. It's not trivial to migrate from one database platform to another, so typically you develop against the same platform that you're going to deploy on. If you're going to deploy on Oracle, I'd recommend that you develop on Oracle. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Dave, Is there any specific reason you say the below? I mean everybody including me are working hard to keep up with the lastest technology personally and considering the economic situations. Are you advising that .NET is not that popular and the industry has not really accepted it? This would interesting to know.. Thanks Joe > I wouldn't worry too much about .NET going anywhere in the near future. > Besides, Java is proprietary too, in many respects - it's largely > controlled > by Sun, never mind what they tell you about the "Java Community Process". > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:02 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > I just bought a 160 Gig external firewire -- it is faster > > than the laptop's 40 gig internal drive -- will firewire > > work on an intel box or do I need to get something else? > > Firewire works fine under Windows 2000, as long as your machine has a > Firewire port. Most new high-end laptops have them. There are add-on > Firewire cards for desktops and laptops. I use a Firewire DVD+RW burner on > two machines here - one Mac, one PC, and it works nicely with both. > > > I'd rather avoid a proprietary language -- especially if > > the owner is Microsoft-- if I am going to do this, I want > > to have the maximum exposure to accept profitable development > > opportunities and be at the smallest risk that my investment > > of $ and time can be held hostage by a software or hardware > > manufacturer -- that's the major reason to make the change. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > voice: (202) 797-5496 > fax: (202) 797-5444 > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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> > vi rocks :) > whats that? Joe > -Original Message- > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:20 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 12:17 , Dick Applebaum wrote: > > I assume, Apache as a Web Server -- if not, what? > > Yes, Apache (even on Windows, as far as I'm concerned). > > > Which GUI, if any? I prefer KDE, but am open to valid reasons! > > That's a religious issue :) > > > I am investigating Jedit and it seems *really* nice! -- anything better? > > vi rocks :) > > Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > -- Margaret Atwood > > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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> > I wouldn't worry too much about .NET going anywhere in > > the near future. Besides, Java is proprietary too, in > > many respects - it's largely controlled by Sun, never > > mind what they tell you about the "Java Community Process". > > Is there any specific reason you say the below? I mean everybody > including me are working hard to keep up with the lastest > technology personally and considering the economic situations. > Are you advising that .NET is not that popular and the > industry has not really accepted it? This would interesting > to know.. I'm sorry; my original statement may be a little ambiguous. I was responding to Mr Applebaum's reluctance to learn .NET because it's a proprietary platform and may not be around in the future - or more exactly, may be jerked around by Microsoft based on what will benefit them most day to day. When I said "wouldn't worry about .NET going anywhere", I meant that it would be around for some time, and thus worth pursuing. I didn't mean that it's not that popular. Sorry for the ambiguity. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Sean A Corfield wrote: > On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:09 , Joe Eugene wrote: > >>C# is basically Microsofts version of Java.. > > > Pardon? I think that is quite right when you look at how it is positioned by Microsoft. It appears to be their main programming language for application development, it is (supposed to be) platform independent (in practice this would require many more libraries being available for other platforms, but in early versions Java apps were hardly portable either) etc. Technically they might be quite different, but they are hunting for the same market. Jochem __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Dick- You wanted a serious reply, I'll give you a serious answer. Go with the following: WindowsXP Apache MySQL/Postgres CFMX <- duh DWMX There ya go. There's your demo, there's your development platform. The fact is that you probably DO NOT want to go with a Linux laptop. Why? 1: The desktop sucks 2: Too many concessions when it comes to just getting stuff done 3: eXtreme learning curve, preventing you from just getting work done 4: It's more supported than the Linux desktop This comes from someone who had been using Linux since he first downloaded Slackware v1 ontot 4.1 trillion floppy disks. I run it as a desktop, and I HATE it as a desktop. It's kludgy, mozilla sucks as a browser, software support is crap, and I could continue. Yes, I am a Linux user and supporter, as a SERVER, not as a desktop, much less a "full blown" development and demo platform. It's that simple. I've ran Linux on oh, I dunno, about 20 laptops in the past 3 years. I've disliked, nay, hated it each and every time, it truly is a nightmare. Leave Unix and Linux where they truly shine, on the server. Put windows where it belongs, on a desktop where the Shiny widgets can be of some use. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux "special guy" "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > -Original Message- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:20 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > Jesse > > Knowing some of your platform preferences, I don't think that is a > serious answer -- the original question is serious, though! > > Dick > > > On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > > > I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4 > > > > Jesse Noller > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Macromedia Server Development > > Unix/Linux "special guy" > > > > "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will > > explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > >> > >> IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but > >> you > >> also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many > >> of > >> them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but > >> there > >> it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. > >> > >> Matt Liotta > >> President & CEO > >> Montara Software, Inc. > >> http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > >> 888-408-0900 x901 > >> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:23 AM > >>> To: CF-Talk > >>> Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > >>> > >>> I've used Windows 9x and they worked okay as long as you rebooted > >>> at > >>> least once a day (preferably twice). > >>> > >>> I use Windows 2000 now. I've had few problems and the system is > >> very > >>> stable, even if I don't reboot it for 3-4 days. > >>> > >>> At 10:12 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> Ya' know, it gets pretty old... I am beginning to accept the fact > >> that > >>>> as a Mac/CF developer, I will always be a second-class citizen, and > >> not > >>>> have equal resources with the competition. > >>>> > >>>> So, I am open to suggestions: > >>>> > >>>> If you could chose a platform today, with no baggage, what would it > >> be? > >>>> > >>>> I am seriously looking for suggestions! > >>>> > >>>> TIA > >>>> > >>>> Dick > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 09:56 AM, Stephen Moretti wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> It doesn't work on a Mac -- why doesn't that surprise me? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dick > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 08:18 AM, Bryan F. Hogan > >> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://cfm.blogspot.com/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What easter egg? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> At 11:10 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>>>>> I like the CF Easter Egg > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Ok I shouldn't really do this on CF-Talk, but I can't resist. > >>>>> Sorry > >>>>> Michael. > >>>>> > >>>>> Does anything work on a Mac??? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry Dick Only joking! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Stephen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I have to say as regards Dell... I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension (consumer-line)... always some weird problem. Any similar experience? Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for their business-line system. Tony Carcieri wrote: >Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work >and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but >nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) > > > -- Kreig Zimmerman : Chief Information Architect : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Four Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I've got a Dimension 4100 that I've been using for almost 3 years now (PIII 800/60gb/512mb) and it's been rock solid since day 1. My only problems were the IBM DeskStar 75gb drives that they kept sending me - I had 3 before they sent me 2 60gb - but that's not Dell's fault. Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I have to say as regards Dell... I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension (consumer-line)... always some weird problem. Any similar experience? Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for their business-line system. Tony Carcieri wrote: >Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at >work and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into >it, but nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) > > > -- Kreig Zimmerman : Chief Information Architect : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Four Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I haven't had a Dimension, but can speak VERY highly for their Optiplex and Inspiron lines. I used to have a VERY sweet system at a previous job: Dell Optiplex Dual P3 800 1 GB RAM CD Burner 60 GB HD Dual 21 inch monitors Ahh, I miss that computer. Blazingly fast. -Original Message- From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I have to say as regards Dell... I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension (consumer-line)... always some weird problem. Any similar experience? Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for their business-line system. Tony Carcieri wrote: >Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work >and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but >nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) > > > -- Kreig Zimmerman : Chief Information Architect : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Four Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Jesse I appreciate your answer, and it does surprise me! I have no experience with win2k, but was put off by winXP's constant nagging (kinda' reminds me of myself). Why XP over 2k? I will use some Java also. I have been experimenting with JEdit -- it appears to be a great editor. I especially like the ability to fold (compress and expand) independent portions of a program or document (based on indentation or user-supplied information). I also use ViennaSQL as a general-purpose GUI SQL Client. You can interface any db with a JDBC driver, and interactively do such things as: define connections (similar to define datasources in the CF admin) create/drop databases create/alter/drop tables examine schemas issue SQL commands I find it to be a great development tool - you can interactively create and validate complex SQL, then copy/paste it to your CF code. I mention JEdit and ViennaSQL because I think that both these functions are performed by DWMX on non-Mac platforms. I understand the advantage of using 1 integrated tool, but does DWMX provide the same functions (and provide them as well) as JEdit and ViennaSQL.? Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it is not? Thanks Dick On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 07:07 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > Dick- > > You wanted a serious reply, I'll give you a serious answer. Go with > the following: > > WindowsXP > Apache > MySQL/Postgres > CFMX <- duh > DWMX > > There ya go. There's your demo, there's your development platform. The > fact is that you probably DO NOT want to go with a Linux laptop. Why? > > 1: The desktop sucks > 2: Too many concessions when it comes to just getting stuff done > 3: eXtreme learning curve, preventing you from just getting work done > 4: It's more supported than the Linux desktop > > > This comes from someone who had been using Linux since he first > downloaded Slackware v1 ontot 4.1 trillion floppy disks. I run it as a > desktop, and I HATE it as a desktop. It's kludgy, mozilla sucks as a > browser, software support is crap, and I could continue. > > Yes, I am a Linux user and supporter, as a SERVER, not as a desktop, > much less a "full blown" development and demo platform. It's that > simple. > > > I've ran Linux on oh, I dunno, about 20 laptops in the past 3 years. > I've disliked, nay, hated it each and every time, it truly is a > nightmare. > > Leave Unix and Linux where they truly shine, on the server. Put > windows where it belongs, on a desktop where the Shiny widgets can be > of some use. > > Jesse Noller > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Macromedia Server Development > Unix/Linux "special guy" > > "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will > explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:20 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >> >> Jesse >> >> Knowing some of your platform preferences, I don't think that is a >> serious answer -- the original question is serious, though! >> >> Dick >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: >> >>> I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4 >>> >>> Jesse Noller >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Macromedia Server Development >>> Unix/Linux "special guy" >>> >>> "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will >>> explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM >>>> To: CF-Talk >>>> Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >>>> >>>> IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not only does CF run the best on Linux, but >>>> you >>>> also have access to any kind of text editor/IDE you could want. Many >>>> of >>>> them are way better than DMX, which isn't saying much I know, but >>>> there >>>> it is. Plus, Linux is as stable as it gets and is free. >>>> >>>> Matt Liotta >>>> President & CEO >>>> Montara Software, Inc. >>>> http://www.montarasoftware.com/ >>>> 888-408-0900 x901 >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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> I appreciate your answer, and it does surprise me! I expect it would! > > I have no experience with win2k, but was put off by winXP's constant > nagging (kinda' reminds me of myself). > Why XP over 2k? XP nagging? I run xp on 2 laptops, and 4 workstations. It never bothers me. > I will use some Java also. XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k. > Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it > is not? Dunno. I use MySQL. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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> XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k. Really? I haven't had any problems, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend Win2K for developers' machines. In fact, I'm not really interested in XP at all, since Win2K works so well for us. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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oh yeah, dell latitude laptop 40gb/833mHz/512ram SOLID. cfmx xp cfstudio 5 photoshop 7 sql server 2000 ..tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I've got a Dimension 4100 that I've been using for almost 3 years now (PIII 800/60gb/512mb) and it's been rock solid since day 1. My only problems were the IBM DeskStar 75gb drives that they kept sending me - I had 3 before they sent me 2 60gb - but that's not Dell's fault. Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I have to say as regards Dell... I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension (consumer-line)... always some weird problem. Any similar experience? Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for their business-line system. Tony Carcieri wrote: >Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at >work and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into >it, but nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) > > > -- Kreig Zimmerman : Chief Information Architect : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Four Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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> Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere > that it is not? Jochem recently mentioned that a native Windows version is in beta. In the meantime, I think it's available as part of the cygwin distribution (http://www.cygwin.com/). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I despise and hate Win2k. But like all things, it's a matter of personal experience. I got used to rebuilding my machine every week because win2k couldn't handle the non stop abuse I handed it. At least when explorer dies in XP, the machine doesn't go south for the winter. (Not to mention XP is compatible with my games) Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux "special guy" "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k. > > Really? I haven't had any problems, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend > Win2K > for developers' machines. In fact, I'm not really interested in XP at all, > since Win2K works so well for us. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > voice: (202) 797-5496 > fax: (202) 797-5444 > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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developer platform of choice here in our dev group. winxp cfmx sql 2000 cfstudio dell/sony laptops (either as good as the other) photoshop ie6 ..tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I have to say as regards Dell... I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension (consumer-line)... always some weird problem. Any similar experience? Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for their business-line system. Tony Carcieri wrote: >Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work >and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but >nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) > > > -- Kreig Zimmerman : Chief Information Architect : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Four Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Double ditto. For all the complaint's I've had about Windows in the past, the 2k platform has been _extremely_ nice. (I'm currently using XPPro, but there is no real need for it if you are happy with 2k.) The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k. > > Really? I haven't had any problems, and wouldn't hesitate to > recommend Win2K > for developers' machines. In fact, I'm not really interested > in XP at all, > since Win2K works so well for us. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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> >Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it >is not? First install Cygwin, then PostgreSQL for Windows. (I would not run production on that BTW, but any Linux/BSD/Unix should be fine.) The Windows native port of PostgreSQL is under way, I am currently running the Beta 3 and I think it is looking good. But I am not sure on the timeframe of the Windows port because the main PostgreSQL branch is currently in feature freeze in anticipation of version 7.3. Jochem __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Maybe the OptiPlex is fine in the aggregate but I'm on my third in the last 18 months because of hard drive crashes. Not impressed. Depending on the model they also only have one hard drive bay and one IDE cable that's shared between the HD and CD-ROM. -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice developer platform of choice here in our dev group. winxp cfmx sql 2000 cfstudio dell/sony laptops (either as good as the other) photoshop ie6 .tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I have to say as regards Dell... I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension (consumer-line)... always some weird problem. Any similar experience? Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for their business-line system. Tony Carcieri wrote: >Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work >and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but >nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) > > > -- Kreig Zimmerman : Chief Information Architect : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Four Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: > The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from > taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast. > > What does this mean? Dick __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Thanks, Jochem PostgreSQL for development is fine -- I won't be doing any hosting. Dick On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:54 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: >> >> Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it >> is not? > > First install Cygwin, then PostgreSQL for Windows. (I would not run > production on that BTW, but any Linux/BSD/Unix should be fine.) > > The Windows native port of PostgreSQL is under way, I am currently > running the Beta 3 and I think it is looking good. But I am not sure on > the timeframe of the Windows port because the main PostgreSQL branch is > currently in feature freeze in anticipation of version 7.3. > > Jochem > > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Dick, As far as the SQL stuff you're using ViennaSQL for, you can do most things in Jedit using the SQL plugin. Just add the JDBC driver for your RDBMS of choice (I use SQL Server 2000 and MySQL) and then you can write SQL in Jedit and select "Plugins > SQL > Execute Buffer" and the command will be run against your connection of choice. There isn't a visual interface, but it's pretty easy if you're solid on SQL commands and syntax. Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice Jesse I appreciate your answer, and it does surprise me! I have no experience with win2k, but was put off by winXP's constant nagging (kinda' reminds me of myself). Why XP over 2k? I will use some Java also. I have been experimenting with JEdit -- it appears to be a great editor. I especially like the ability to fold (compress and expand) independent portions of a program or document (based on indentation or user-supplied information). I also use ViennaSQL as a general-purpose GUI SQL Client. You can interface any db with a JDBC driver, and interactively do such things as: define connections (similar to define datasources in the CF admin) create/drop databases create/alter/drop tables examine schemas issue SQL commands I find it to be a great development tool - you can interactively create and validate complex SQL, then copy/paste it to your CF code. I mention JEdit and ViennaSQL because I think that both these functions are performed by DWMX on non-Mac platforms. I understand the advantage of using 1 integrated tool, but does DWMX provide the same functions (and provide them as well) as JEdit and ViennaSQL.? Finally, is PostgreSQL available for win -- I heard somewhere that it is not? Thanks Dick On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 07:07 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > Dick- > > You wanted a serious reply, I'll give you a serious answer. Go with > the following: > > WindowsXP > Apache > MySQL/Postgres > CFMX <- duh > DWMX > > There ya go. There's your demo, there's your development platform. The > fact is that you probably DO NOT want to go with a Linux laptop. Why? > > 1: The desktop sucks > 2: Too many concessions when it comes to just getting stuff done > 3: eXtreme learning curve, preventing you from just getting work done > 4: It's more supported than the Linux desktop > > > This comes from someone who had been using Linux since he first > downloaded Slackware v1 ontot 4.1 trillion floppy disks. I run it as a > desktop, and I HATE it as a desktop. It's kludgy, mozilla sucks as a > browser, software support is crap, and I could continue. > > Yes, I am a Linux user and supporter, as a SERVER, not as a desktop, > much less a "full blown" development and demo platform. It's that > simple. > > > I've ran Linux on oh, I dunno, about 20 laptops in the past 3 years. > I've disliked, nay, hated it each and every time, it truly is a > nightmare. > > Leave Unix and Linux where they truly shine, on the server. Put > windows where it belongs, on a desktop where the Shiny widgets can be > of some use. > > Jesse Noller > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Macromedia Server Development > Unix/Linux "special guy" > > "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will > explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:20 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >> >> Jesse >> >> Knowing some of your platform preferences, I don't think that is a >> serious answer -- the original question is serious, though! >> >> Dick >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:57 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: >> >>> I would highly recommend OS2/Warp 4 >>> >>> Jesse Noller >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Macromedia Server Development >>> Unix/Linux "special guy" >>> >>> "But I ned tacos! I need them or I will >>> explode! That happens to me sometimes!" -GIR >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:37 PM >>>> To: CF-Talk >>>> Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >>>> >>>> IMHO, I'd go with Linux. Not on
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You can't blame the HD problems on Dell though - unless there's some kind of power issue burning up the drives. I've had a LOT of problems with IBM DeskStar drives. If you have one check the IBM website, there are a few that are "close" to being recalled but haven't been yet. In particular the DeskStar 72GB. Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kevin Gilchrist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice Maybe the OptiPlex is fine in the aggregate but I'm on my third in the last 18 months because of hard drive crashes. Not impressed. Depending on the model they also only have one hard drive bay and one IDE cable that's shared between the HD and CD-ROM. -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice developer platform of choice here in our dev group. winxp cfmx sql 2000 cfstudio dell/sony laptops (either as good as the other) photoshop ie6 tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I have to say as regards Dell... I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension (consumer-line)... always some weird problem. Any similar experience? Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for their business-line system. Tony Carcieri wrote: >Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work >and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but >nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) > > > -- Kreig Zimmerman : Chief Information Architect : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Four Eyes Productions : Brooklyn, NY __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I do have to honestly say that despite my worries going in, XP Pro has been rock solid and better stability-wise than 2k for me. I tended to demo a lot of software on my development system (install it and remove it), and XP seems to "clean up" better. 2k always required a reinstall every X-months, XP has been incredible. Actually seems faster, too. I'm not pushing it out throughout the enterprise strictly from a cost standpoint, but if cost weren't an issue, I would have XP all over the place. Josh -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > XP + Java works fine. Better than win2k. hate. Win2k. Really? I haven't had any problems, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend Win2K for developers' machines. In fact, I'm not really interested in XP at all, since Win2K works so well for us. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't do this. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda > -Original Message- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: > > > The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from > > taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast. > > > > > > What does this mean? > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Trillian does this. :P I hate it. ~Todd On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Raymond Camden wrote: > Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some > reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and > becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing > will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't > do this. > > === > Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster > > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: > > > > > The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from > > > taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast. > > > > > > > > > > What does this mean? > > > > > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I still don't understand -- how does an application "grab" control from the OS? Doesn't the OS have control of switching between Applications? I sometimes screw things up myself, if while typing really fast (for me) I inadvertently type some keyboard shortcut (ctrl-something) that tells the OS to switch applications, open a dialog, or somesuch. Is this what you are talking about? If so, then I agree that it would be nice to have an OS enhancement that would protect you from yourself, e.g. a special setting (toggle) that would block keystrokes that could cause toe OS to change focus. Dick On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 11:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Trillian does this. :P I hate it. > > ~Todd > > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Raymond Camden wrote: > >> Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some >> reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and >> becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing >> will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't >> do this. >> >> == >> = >> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire >> >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster >> >> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM >>> To: CF-Talk >>> Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: >>> >>>> The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from >>>> taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> What does this mean? >>> >> >> >> > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Happens to me also... This is the reason I don't allow my IM windows to open automatically, I have them flash in the system tray. Actually I don't think I've had an application alert happen ( and go away ) like this in quite some time now... I suspect it's becoming less and less common for apps to automagically hog up the system caret in favor of minimized, flashing system tray or taskbar items... which is probably a good thing. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 > Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some > reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and > becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing > will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't > do this. > === > Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda >> -Original Message- >> From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: >> >> > The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from >> > taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast. >> > >> > >> >> What does this mean? >> __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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> Trillian does this. :P I hate it. I use trillian... The preferences to change that are in Windows > Initial Check "Apply to All Mediums" and "Hide the window and notify me via the systray". Personally I also have it open all IM windows inside a default container ( at the bottom under "size location and container" ) to prevent multiple IM's from cluttering up my task bar. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Raymond Camden wrote: >> Imagine your typing code - fast. Some application has a fit for some >> reason, and takes focus. By that I mean it pops up above my editor and >> becomes active. Many times I will only see a flash because my typing >> will make the alert go away. Very frustrating. Luckily most apps don't >> do this. >> >> === >> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire >> >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster >> >> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda >> >> > -Original Message----- >> > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:11 PM >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice >> > >> > >> > On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:59 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: >> > >> > > The only thing I'd kill for is the ablity to suppress programs from >> > > taking focus. Nothing bugs me more as a developer who types fast. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > What does this mean? >> > >> >> >> > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Out of 5 personal machines - I have a dell dimension XPS 8100 with 512 Mb RAm / 1 ghz / 2 -120 gb drives- Piece o crap since day 1. Sorry -ran great for the first 2 hours. I then decided may be a lemon 0- -so I bought a Dell PRecision 530 - 2 ghz proc / 4 -80 gig scsi raid drives / 4 gig of ram - both running 2000 - That one ran smooth for 4 months before performance went completely down the toilet. Not cheap machines either. i didn't post to brag above - I felt I just had to reply that I would never buy another dell again. jay miller Tony Weeg wrote: oh yeah, dell latitude laptop 40gb/833mHz/512ram SOLID. cfmx xp cfstudio 5 photoshop 7 sql server 2000 .tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net <http://www.navtrak.net> 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I've got a Dimension 4100 that I've been using for almost 3 years now (PIII 800/60gb/512mb) and it's been rock solid since day 1. My only problems were the IBM DeskStar 75gb drives that they kept sending me - I had 3 before they sent me 2 60gb - but that's not Dell's fault. Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Kreig Zimmerman [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I have to say as regards Dell... I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension (consumer-line)... always some weird problem. Any similar experience? Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for their business-line system. Tony Carcieri wrote: Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Just curious Jason: was it hardware or software problems? HD failures? Bad tech support? AOL too slow? (kidding on the last one!) -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice Out of 5 personal machines - I have a dell dimension XPS 8100 with 512 Mb RAm / 1 ghz / 2 -120 gb drives- Piece o crap since day 1. Sorry -ran great for the first 2 hours. I then decided may be a lemon 0- -so I bought a Dell PRecision 530 - 2 ghz proc / 4 -80 gig scsi raid drives / 4 gig of ram - both running 2000 - That one ran smooth for 4 months before performance went completely down the toilet. Not cheap machines either. i didn't post to brag above - I felt I just had to reply that I would never buy another dell again. jay miller Tony Weeg wrote: oh yeah, dell latitude laptop 40gb/833mHz/512ram SOLID. cfmx xp cfstudio 5 photoshop 7 sql server 2000 tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net <http://www.navtrak.net> 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I've got a Dimension 4100 that I've been using for almost 3 years now (PIII 800/60gb/512mb) and it's been rock solid since day 1. My only problems were the IBM DeskStar 75gb drives that they kept sending me - I had 3 before they sent me 2 60gb - but that's not Dell's fault. Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Kreig Zimmerman [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Developer Platform suggestions was Re: Nice I have to say as regards Dell... I've found the OptiPlex (business line) to be rock-solid Dimension (consumer-line)... always some weird problem. Any similar experience? Point is if Dell, I would HIGHLY recommend you go for their business-line system. Tony Carcieri wrote: Damn, I didn't know they were doing that! I have always had a Dell at work and have never had problems. i tried to talk my father-in-law into it, but nope, he liked his Gateway...he's wishing he had a Dell now ;-) __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 10:25 , Joe Eugene wrote: >> vi rocks :) > whats that? Aw, Joe, you just made my day... you are *so* funny! :) "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
