Re: Access Server

[Apoorva S.Malavia]

I second that. He should at least make the attempt for it.


"Feliz, Edgar" wrote:

> AK
>
> I think my response was useful. There are to many on this list that expect
> the rest of us to do their work for them. I have responded to many messages,
> and have even provided documentation to some from my company's technical
> resources. But when it is obvious that someone has not taken the time to
> look into the subject that they expect the rest of the list to do their work
> for them, well I have a problem with that.
>
> I have asked question on this list though not often, but when I do it is
> only after I have exhausted all avenues. I do not post if I have not first
> tried to figured things out on my own. That is how it is suppose to be. If
> you have a computer and can access the internet then there is nothing to
> stop you from doing research except yourself.
>
> If you want to hold peoples hand that's fine.
>
> EF
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Khalid Ahmed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:48 AM
> To: Feliz, Edgar; skt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Access Server
>
> Feliz if you have nothing useful to add just give the message the delete
> key. Thank you for your cooperation.
>
> Regards.
> Khalid Ahmed.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Feliz, Edgar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "skt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:16 AM
> Subject: RE: Access Server
>
> > Dude,
> >
> > How about doing some research yourself. GO TO WWW.CISCO.COM
> >   AGAIN THAT"S WWW.CISCO.COM 
> >
> > EF
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: skt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:29 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Access Server
> > Importance: High
> >
> >
> > hi all .
> >
> > i want to install access server on 2600 router for remote user dial in
> thru
> > pstn...can any one tell me more about it
> >
> > thanx in adv
> >
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Re: SNA device types

[Jay Hennigan]

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Can a typewriter print pictures ;)

Yep.

A few mild examples...

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Re: Visio drawing for Cisco equipment

[Apoorva S.Malavia]

You have to buy the Enterprise version. they sell it with it.

-Apoorva

Daniel Ma wrote:

> I just bought a Visio 2000 technical version, however I can not find the
> cisco drawing library, for example, the catalyst switches or cisco routers.
> Could anyone tell me where I could find those drawing libraries?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel Ma
>
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Re: ip unnumbered

[Apoorva S.Malavia]

No, packets that don't belong to the same subet will be routed out.

-Apoorva


Mahesh Gupta wrote:

> Will the broadcast packets cross the router in this case ??
> as router is a part of the same subnet which is available across a point
> to point serially connected networks.
>
> Mahesh
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Justin Marcus
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 4:41 PM
> > To: ALI SHEERAZ
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: ip unnumbered
> >
> >
> > if your ethernet0 is 10.0.0.1
> > and you make your serial0 have that unnumbered thingy
> > so both your serial and ethernet have 10.0.0.1 does that mean
> > the remote site your connecting to will have to have an address like
> > 10.0.0.2 so its in the same network as your serial0 ?
> >
> > thanks :)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, ALI SHEERAZ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The "ip unnumbered" configuration command allows you to enable
> > IP processing
> > > on a serial interface without assigning it an explicit IP
> > address. This is a
> > > good way to conserve network and address space.
> > >
> > > Consider a class B network subnetted with eight bits. Every
> > interface in the
> > > network including the serial lines will require a subnet. Since
> > each serial
> > > line has only two nodes, this wastes 252 addresses on each serial line.
> > > Here's where IP unnumbered comes in handy. For any
> > point-to-point serial
> > > link or point-to-point sub- interface, IP unnumbered lets you
> > borrow the
> > > address of some LAN interface to use as a source address for
> > routing updates
> > > and packets from that interface. No network is wasted, and
> > precious address
> > > space is conserved.
> > >
> > > IP Unnumbered is used for point-to-point links.
> > >
> > >
> > > Command Syntax
> > > ---
> > >
> > >   interface Ethernet0
> > >   ip address 171.68.178.196 255.255.255.192
> > >   interface Serial1 ip unnumbered Ethernet0
> > >
> > >   router igrp 10 network 171.68.0.0
> > >
> > >
> > > >Hi fellows
> > > >could anybody explain to me what "ip unnumbered" command is,
> > and how it is
> > > >used?
> > > >thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > 
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Diff. between Asyn & Syn modem

[Choy, Wai Yew]

Hi all,

I'm getting very confuse between an Asyn. modem and a Syn. modemCan
someone enlighten me what is the difference between the two? I know it is
something to do with their clockingBut exactly what I'm not sure:(

And what is the difference between a 2 wire modem and a 4 wire modem? Which
one is between?

Thank you and Best Regards..

Choy Wai Yew

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RE: Visio drawing for Cisco equipment

[rbussard]

 If you have CCO login account you can do a search on Cisco's home page for
Visio Stencils and that will give you a couple of links.  I think you might
have to have a Partners and Resellers CCO account, not sure.  If nothing
comes up then that is why because cisco has a set of Visio Stencils with
most (not the most current stencils) of their switches, routers, PIX's etc.

Roy Bussard

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Ma
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/6/00 11:53 PM
Subject: Visio drawing for Cisco equipment

I just bought a Visio 2000 technical version, however I can not find the
cisco drawing library, for example, the catalyst switches or cisco
routers.
Could anyone tell me where I could find those drawing libraries?

Thanks,

Daniel Ma


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RE: Help! What happen??? URGENT!

[William Wong Kun Sing]

Sorry guys

Problem solved.

I have tested 3 transceivers but unfortunately that 3 are the faulty
transceiver.

Now is working fine.  I bought a new one.


Bad luck ha!





William Wong Kun Sing
IS Executive, Enterprise Services Organisation
Solsis (M) Sdn. Bhd.

MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, Cisco CCNA

> -Original Message-
> From: Erick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 07 June 2000 13:17
> To:   William Wong; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Help! What happen??? URGENT!
> 
> 
> Have you tried a different port in the hub, tried
> another hub, or took your PC/laptop and plugged it
> into router with crossover to see if interface stays
> up? Was this working fine and just started being a
> problem?
> 
> - Erick
> 
> --- William Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Help me guys
> > 
> > Interface Ethenet0 on cisco 2503 router problem!
> > 
> > Physical connection:-
> > 
> > AUI port -> Transceiver ->
> > Hub
> > 
> > I use Hyperterminal to logon into the router.
> > 
> > It keep showing that the line protocol for interface
> > ethernet0 change state
> > to up and change state to down and I cannot ping the
> > router.
> > 
> > I have:-
> > Changed the router
> > Changed the transceiver and all the cables
> > But still the same.
> > 
> > What is the possibility now
> 
> 
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Re: SNA device types

[NeoLink2000]

Can a typewriter print pictures ;)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA
Home: (215) 340-1440
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In a message dated 6/7/00 1:25:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

<< On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Jay Hennigan wrote:
 
 > What's a typewriter?  Kind of like a printer with a keyboard attached?
 
 See http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/TV-Typewriters.html. >>


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Re: Help! What happen??? URGENT!

[Erick]

Have you tried a different port in the hub, tried
another hub, or took your PC/laptop and plugged it
into router with crossover to see if interface stays
up? Was this working fine and just started being a
problem?

- Erick

--- William Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Help me guys
> 
> Interface Ethenet0 on cisco 2503 router problem!
> 
> Physical connection:-
> 
> AUI port -> Transceiver ->
> Hub
> 
> I use Hyperterminal to logon into the router.
> 
> It keep showing that the line protocol for interface
> ethernet0 change state
> to up and change state to down and I cannot ping the
> router.
> 
> I have:-
> Changed the router
> Changed the transceiver and all the cables
> But still the same.
> 
> What is the possibility now


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OT: Strange connectivity problem with NAT

[John Hardman]

Hi All...

Well I'm at a frustrating point in troubleshooting this one, any help would
be nice! I gernally would not post a problem here, but since it does involve
NAT maybe we all can learn from this one.

I am not going to try ASCII art to do a diagram, but here is the layout.

any host on private LAN --> Cat 2924 with two VLANs private host on VLAN
1 --> 2611 e0/0 (NAT inside on VLAN 1) --> e0/1 (NAT outside overloaded on
VLAN 2) --> 4500 e1 --> 4500 e0 (DMZ) (e0 is in the same 2924 on VLAN 2) -->
Solaris 2.6 server or NT 4 server (either one, they are both there on VLAN
2).

Here is the problem, if I ping either the Sun or the NT server I get one
reply and then nothing but timeouts. Wait a minute or less and ping again,
one reply then timeouts. This is typical for all connectivity, WWW, telnet,
SSH, etc. Now here's the kicker, if I ping any other host on the DMZ subnet
no problems at all. If I ping from the routers no problems, if I ping from
any of the other hosts in the DMZ or from the Internet, again no problems.
There only two differences between the Sun and NT server and the rest of the
hosts on the DMZ, they are in a different room.

Some of the things I have tried:

1) Remove all ACLs, no change
2) Re-run the drops, change all cables, no change
3) change ports on the switch, no change
4) Reload the switch, and routers, reboot the servers, no change

Some things I have thought it might be:

1) known issue with Sun 2.6, but the problem is also on the NT server...
2) bug in the NAT on the 2611
3) I am blessed with the strangest problems!

TIA

Here are the config's sorry for the length...

2924:--
Current configuration:
!
version 12.0
no service pad
service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log uptime
service password-encryption
!
hostname c2924
!
enable secret xxx
!
username xxx privilege 15 password 
username xxx privilege 15 password 
!
ip subnet-zero
ip host tftp 192.168.0.4
!
interface FastEthernet0/1
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/2
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/3
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/4
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/5
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/6
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/7
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/8
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/9
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/10
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/11
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/12
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/13
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/14
!
interface FastEthernet0/15
 switchport access vlan 2
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/16
 switchport access vlan 2
!
interface FastEthernet0/17
 switchport access vlan 2
 spanning-tree portfast
!
interface FastEthernet0/18
 switchport access vlan 2
!
interface FastEthernet0/19
 switchport access vlan 2
!
interface FastEthernet0/20
 switchport access vlan 2
!
interface FastEthernet0/21
 switchport access vlan 2
!
interface FastEthernet0/22
 switchport access vlan 2
!
interface FastEthernet0/23
 switchport access vlan 2
!
interface FastEthernet0/24
 switchport access vlan 2
!
interface VLAN1
 ip address 192.168.0.47 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 no ip route-cache
!
interface VLAN2
 ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 no ip route-cache
!
ip default-gateway 192.168.0.1
logging 192.168.0.4
snmp-server engineID local 00090201424B7980
snmp-server community xxx RO
snmp-server chassis-id 0x0E
!
line con 0
 login local
 transport input none
 stopbits 1
line vty 0 4
 exec-timeout 0 0
 login local
line vty 5 9
 exec-timeout 0 0
 login local
!
ntp clock-period 22518021
ntp server x.x.x.x
end
END 2924--

Begin 2611--
Current configuration:
!
version 12.1
service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log uptime
service password-encryption
!
hostname office-gw
!
boot system flash c2600-io3-mz.121-2.bin
enable secret 5 xxx
!
username xxx privilege 15 password xxx
username xxx privilege 15 password xxx
!
ip subnet-zero
no ip domain-lookup
ip host tftp 192.168.0.4
!
ip audit notify log
ip audit po max-events 100
!
interface Ethernet0/0
 ip address 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0
 ip nat inside
!
interface Serial0/0
 no ip address
 service-module t1 clock source internal
 shutdown
!
interface Ethernet0/1
 ip address a.a.a.a 255.255.255.248
 ip nat outside
!
interface Serial0/1
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
ip nat inside source list 78 interface Ethernet0/1 overload
ip nat inside source static tcp 192.168.0.x 110 interface Ethernet0/1 110
ip nat inside source static tcp 192.168.0.x 25 interface Ethernet0/1 25
ip nat inside source static tcp 192.168.0.x 143 interface Ethernet0/1 143
ip classless
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Ethernet0/1
no ip http server
!
access-list 78 permit 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.255
snmp-server engine

FW: PIX Firewall show connection counters

[Brent Case]

I'm sorry that I don't know where the problem is, but I can say that
I don't believe this is a PIX specific issue.  We have a 2610 running
12.0(5) IP/FW that has the exact same problem.  We only have one IP
address to translate with and the command "sh ip nat trans" shows some
interesting results.  Normally you would expect to see the Inside global,
Inside local,Outside local & Outside global addresses being translated
with port numbers.  However, we see on a large number of them (400+),
it simply has the Inside global and Inside local address with no port
numbers and the outside local and outside global with dashes under them.
Is this normal and what does it mean?  Since I know bandwidth is an issue
at this site, my thought was that this was connections being attempted
but couldn't be completed, but now I'm not so sure. Has anyone seen this
type
of behavior on the PIX? Does anyone else have bandwidth issues and these
devices are just choking (for lack of a better word)?  My instinct says
that this really a NAT/PAT issue more than anything else, but I'm not
sure what to do or how to prove it.  I can get things working again
by using "clear ip nat trans *" but it's a pain and shouldn't be needed.

On a side note, when I do the "clear ip nat trans *"  Our users on the
inside
network telneting to a server on the inside network get disconnected.  The
clients do have the default gateway set as the router, but I don't
understand
why, if no translation is taking place, that a client telneting to a server
on the inside network would get disconnected after I issue that command.
Any
thoughts?

Thanks,

Brent





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Bishara, Anan
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:06 AM
To: 'Astbury, Phil'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: PIX Firewall show connection counters




I am facing the same problem. My exchange server stop receiving mail from
outside. When I do an nslookup for my domain from and outside DNS, it gives
request time out. When I do clear xlate, it works for sometimes and then
stops. I tried upgrading the version to 5.1 but still the same problem. If
anybody have  a suggestions, it will really help to get rid this headache.

Regards,
Anan

-Original Message-
From: Astbury, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:21 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: PIX Firewall show connection counters


We have a similar problem at our site - it seems as if the PIX just stops
resolving DNS.
Our exchange server is no longer able to send mail externally due to DNS
lookup failures.
We've looked at all the possibilities, but normally a reboot will fix the
problem.

We have added extra memory to the PIX, and also upgraded the Firmware - but
we can't seem to get to the bottom of this !!
If anyone out there has seen this or knows of a potential fix, I would be
most grateful of some feedback.

regards,
Phil





-Original Message-
From:   Apoorva S.Malavia [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   06 June 2000 05:25
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: PIX Firewall show connection counters

I need to see the config on the fw.


"Bishara, Anan" wrote:

Hello everybody, This maybe of topic of this message but it
is related to it
somehow. I have a DNS in my DMZ zone, I am facing problem is
that DNS stop
resolving names after a while and I have to clear Xlate,
where it will work
for a while and then stops again. Anybody have any
suggestion or face this
problem?
Regards,
Anan

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From: Apoorva S.Malavia [ ]
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PIX Firewall show connection counters

more precisely
clear xlate *

Mark Holloway wrote:

> Yes, "clear xlate" is what you want.  Clear xlate will
knock people off
but
> more than likely they will "refresh" their browser if it's
web base.  FTP
> connection may timeout and telnet session will drop.  You
said "you might
as
> well reboot if you're gonna clear xlate" - but the PIX
takes about a
minute
> to reboot as opposed to clear xlate being an instant
function.  In an
> environment where I work we have 5000+ users on the inside
interface using
> the outside (internet) and dmz interfaces.  A reboot would
get me fired!
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jorge Rodriguez

Visio ICons

[ShaQ Patel]

ALl, 

Were can i get more visio Icons for other Products?

IE: Cisco/Alteons/3com/F5/Sun/Nokia/CheckPoint/ etc...


Already got visio professional 2000 deal, need more though

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New York City Study Group for CCNP

[ShaQ Patel]

ALL those that are very interested: A group of people including myself
are
having a study group get together this weekened:

Specs:
Saturday at 10-10:30 then.
NY Public Library, 42ndand 5th,

Meeting @ the left stone column with the lion on top.

Any questions Ping me:o) and well let OSPF handle the rest-

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Re: Fw: whats a nibble?

[Krazikat]

It is something I do to my finger nails when troubleshooting a big problem...

Andy Harding wrote:

> > thought that it was 2 hex characters- hence the hex reverse of each nibble
> > in Ethernet to Token Ring bridging conversion
> >
> > failing that a sub-byte portion of a multi-byte string for manipulation of
> > some kind?
> >
> > someone put me straight please...
> >
> > Andy
> > - Original Message -
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> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 11:03 PM
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> >
> >
> > > small bite
> > > or half a byte = 4 bits which is usually on hex #
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > What exactly is nibble?
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Re: mls rp in 6509

[Chris McCoy]

Dennis,

  When running in hybrid (non IOS mode) on the 6509, this allows the
multilayer shortcut-switching feature to work with the supervisor module.
The MSFC is the equivalent of a Netflow Feature Card (NFFC) and RSM in the
5000 series.  If the command was not there, all packets in a flow would be
routed by the routing module, rather than only the first one.  When MLS is
enabled with 'mls rp ip', followed by the equivalent commands in the
switching IOS, the first packet is routed, the rest are shortcut switched in
an NFFC equivalent fashion.

Chris M.

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> From: Dennis Ighomereho
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 6/5/00 7:30 PM
> Subject: mls rp in 6509
>
> Hi,
> Could anyone tell me what this does.
>
> int vlan 1
> mls rp ip
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Re: Cisco Studygroup in HamptonRoads, VA - Revisited..

[Kevin S. Mahler]

Nigel,

Wow this hits home for me.  I mean, really home.  I grew up in Newport News 
and lived in Hampton for a few years and then Williamsburg before moving to 
Atlanta and ultimately working for Cisco Systems.

Joel Barrett who tech edited my book "CCNA Training Guide", ran a very 
successful CNE and CCNA group in Atlanta.  I have copied
him on this message and maybe he can offer some advice on how to get it 
going and get participation.  He worked with a Cisco
Training partner and obtained use of their lab for the group's use.  I'll 
let him tell you more about how it worked.

If you need any help getting the local Cisco people involved, let me know 
and I'll see if there is any help I can provide.

As for getting people who want to be involved, I  would try to find out 
where the local Networking Academies are and
try to get their enrollment involved.  You may even be able to use their 
labs.  I looked up some of the Academies in the
area and they are:

 Thomas Nelson Community College
 Hampton City Schools
 Hampton University
 Tidewater Community College
 Aviation Academy ??? I don't know where this is.  It's listed in 
Newport News.


Good luck,

Kevin




At 11:19 PM 6/6/00 +0100, Nigel Taylor wrote:
>Hi All,
> Well I decided to make a final plea to all in reference to 
> starting a CCNP/CCIE studygroup in the HamptonRoads(Hampton, Norfolk, VA 
> Beach, Chesapeake) area.  Anyone interested please contact me 
> off-line.  I've already made contact with the local Cisco reps.  I just 
> need to know if this will be supported by the masses.
>
>Thanks
>
>Nigel

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Systems Engineer, Cisco Systems
Atlanta, GA

Author of CCNA Training Guide, New Riders, ISBN 0735700516
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RE: ip unnumbered

[ALDI SETIAWAN]

Is does mean that ip unnumbered can't be used if we use point to multipoit
link such as Frame Relay or ATM ?

> --
> From: ALI SHEERAZ[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Reply To: ALI SHEERAZ
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:08 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: ip unnumbered
> 
> 
> The "ip unnumbered" configuration command allows you to enable IP
> processing 
> on a serial interface without assigning it an explicit IP address. This is
> a 
> good way to conserve network and address space.
> 
> Consider a class B network subnetted with eight bits. Every interface in
> the 
> network including the serial lines will require a subnet. Since each
> serial 
> line has only two nodes, this wastes 252 addresses on each serial line. 
> Here's where IP unnumbered comes in handy. For any point-to-point serial 
> link or point-to-point sub- interface, IP unnumbered lets you borrow the 
> address of some LAN interface to use as a source address for routing
> updates 
> and packets from that interface. No network is wasted, and precious
> address 
> space is conserved.
> 
> IP Unnumbered is used for point-to-point links.
> 
> 
> Command Syntax
> ---
> 
>   interface Ethernet0
>   ip address 171.68.178.196 255.255.255.192
>   interface Serial1 ip unnumbered Ethernet0
> 
>   router igrp 10 network 171.68.0.0
> 
> 
> >Hi fellows
> >could anybody explain to me what "ip unnumbered" command is, and how it
> is
> >used?
> >thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: Help! What happen??? URGENT!

[Shetal Patel]

You maybe in a loop- try a shut and then a no shut on the interface,
kinda like reset the interface-

William Wong wrote:
> 
> Help me guys
> 
> Interface Ethenet0 on cisco 2503 router problem!
> 
> Physical connection:-
> 
> AUI port -> Transceiver -> Hub
> 
> I use Hyperterminal to logon into the router.
> 
> It keep showing that the line protocol for interface ethernet0 change state
> to up and change state to down and I cannot ping the router.
> 
> I have:-
> Changed the router
> Changed the transceiver and all the cables
> But still the same.
> 
> What is the possibility now
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> William
> 
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Re: Visio drawing for Cisco equipment

[Shetal Patel]

I had a similar problem today, id go check the network folder

c:/program files/visio/network..?

giev that a shot? cant hurt, see if its there, if so add the stencil
when your working on the visio-



Daniel Ma wrote:
> 
> I just bought a Visio 2000 technical version, however I can not find the
> cisco drawing library, for example, the catalyst switches or cisco routers.
> Could anyone tell me where I could find those drawing libraries?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Daniel Ma
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New York City Study Group for CCNP

[Shetal Patel]

ALL those that are very interested: A group of people including myself
are
having a study group get together this weekened:

Specs:
Saturday at 10-10:30 then.
NY Public Library, 42ndand 5th,

Meeting @ the left stone column with the lion on top.

Any questions Ping me:o) and well let OSPF handle the rest-

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Deja Vu All Over Again!

[Chuck Larrieu]

Am I nuts, or have there been an incredible number of duplicate posts this
evening?
( and don't say "yes", wise guys :-> )

Chuck

Please check out my new footers for a new age
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An excellent study focal point for all levels of certification, as well as
the attainment of internetworking expertise. Use my name when you register.
You get good study material and I get extra time

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Re: SNA device types

[Thomas Lisa]

The first place where I was hired as a Dir. of MIS, considered Computer Word
Processing to be IBM Selectrics with memory!


"Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote:

> Excellent summary, Jenny. Let me add a couple of things.  I'm just
> out of the hospital after getting traceroutes of my heart, and it
> seems vaguely appropriate to talk about SNA.
>
> SNA is an old technology, possibly dating back to the Garden of Eden.
> Is it any coincidence that the first three letters of evil are SNAke?
>
> Seriously, IBM did a great deal of very good work in making SNA
> reliable and extremely measurable.  It isn't very flexible, but that
> wasn't a design goal.
>
> >Darren,
> >you are mostly right, but a bit mixed up.
> >
> >In SNA there are PU types and LU types.
>
> Another way to think of Physical Units (PU's, which don't have to be
> physical) and Logical Units (LU's, which seem illogical at times), is
> that PUs are network resources that do not directly involve
> application communications.  While SNA doesn't precisely fit the OSI
> model, LU's are more at layer 6/7.
>
> PUs must activate before LU's can do anything. First, the SSCP (PU5)
> activates any FEP (PU4).  PU4 functionality is built into the AS/400
> operating system and is not a separate box.
>
> Important:  the Cisco IBM Interface emulates a 3172, which is a PU2,
> _not_ a PU4.  You can get some, but not all, PU4 functions by adding
> IOS features.  If you are considering replacing a FEP, ask yourself
> first if it could be replaced with an IBM 3172 before asking if it
> could be replaced with a CIP in a router.
>
> Anyway, in a mainframe environment, the SSCP, which owns a set of
> resources called a domain, activates the PU4's by creating SSCP-PU
> sessions. Each PU4, which is owned by the PU5, owns a set of
> resources called a subarea. IBM "logical addresses" are generally
> subarea/element. All PU and LU types can have IBM SNA addresses.
>
> Via the PU4, the SSCP then activates the various remote PU2s, with a
> couple of exceptions -- the SSCP directly activates the 3172 or CIP,
> not going through a PU4.
>
> Terminal controllers are PU2.  Once they are activated, they can have
> one end of an LU on them.  Think of each Secondary LU as a
> keyboard/display pair that can be assigned to a particular
> "application" under a primary LU.
>
> Primary LUs are more application service interfaces than true
> applications.  An "application monitor" like CICS, IMS, or TSO
> actually provides services to applications, just as the OSI
> application layer is not itself an application but a set of functions
> that provides services to applications.
>
> >
> >The PU type describes the function/capabilities of the device within the SNA
> >hierarchy:
> >PU types:
> >5VTAM (SSCP)
> >4FEP
> >3 there is no PU type 3
>
> Correct.  There probably was never a PU3.  I have heard two
> explanations within IBM, one that there was an early proposal for
> lines to be PU3, and the other that two different SNA groups started
> numbering, respectively, from 5 and from 3.  At least Rich McGee, who
> was head of the IBM SNA architecture group, and John Aschenbrenner,
> one of the principal designers, couldn't give me a better explanation.
>
> >23274/3174 cluster controller, 3777 RJE station, other devices (typically
> >connected to a FEP by a leased line running SDLC 1974-1980s) . Token ring SNA
> >gateway (1990s). SNA gateway on a LAN with a CISC router running
> >DLSw to another
> >Cisco router on a token ring (1990s-). Any SNA gateway product running on a
> >server will be a PU type 2.
> >1I've forgotten what that was.
>
> PU type 1 were really stupid terminals.  Reaching back in my memory
> archives, I think it was the 3176 that was an SNA-attached Selectric
> typewriter. Whatever the number, there was one.  Frightening...a fair
> number of people on the list probably haven't ever seen a Selectric
> typewriter.
>
> >
> >
> >then when peer to peer networking came into SNA:
> >2.1  APPN (advanced program to program networking) supports independant LUs.
> >Includes more recent 3174 etc cluster controllers.
> >
> >
> >The type of the LU describes what data stream it uses to communicate. ie the
> >format of the data sent from one LU to another.
> >
> >LU types
> >new-fangled ones:
> >6.1 application to application  CICS  - not used much
> >6.2 application to application (APPC)
> >classic ones:
> >3  printer attached to a 3174 cluster controller using 3270 data stream
> >2  3270 display terminal (3278, 3179 etc) your basic "green screen", or
> >emulation of one on a PC
> >1  SNA character set  - printer or RJE station
> >0  content of data stream not specified (this was used for program to program
> >communication before APPC/APPN  came in eg Solve:Netmaster INMC, an Aussie
> >product)
> >
> >SLU :
> >in classical SNA a session is between two LUs. One of the LUs is the Primary
> >(PLU), the other the Secondary (SLU). The primary LU is the application on the
> >mai

Help! What happen??? URGENT!

[William Wong]

Help me guys

Interface Ethenet0 on cisco 2503 router problem!

Physical connection:-

AUI port -> Transceiver -> Hub

I use Hyperterminal to logon into the router.

It keep showing that the line protocol for interface ethernet0 change state
to up and change state to down and I cannot ping the router.

I have:-
Changed the router
Changed the transceiver and all the cables
But still the same.

What is the possibility now

Thanks!

William











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Re: Help! What happen??? URGENT!

[Shetal Patel]

Plug a work station directly from the router if it has a built in CSU,
to a work station and skip the hub for nowand test it out...

If the eth is down, make sure the main connection is there, and
conencted, or call the ISP and see if the right routes have been routed
to you...

Check the CSU stats, check the smart jack, and have you been routed?

or get a loob back cable in the router and see if you can ligh tup the
interface


is it a T1? do u need a CSU?  

William Wong wrote:
> 
> Help me guys
> 
> Interface Ethenet0 on cisco 2503 router problem!
> 
> Physical connection:-
> 
> AUI port -> Transceiver -> Hub
> 
> I use Hyperterminal to logon into the router.
> 
> It keep showing that the line protocol for interface ethernet0 change state
> to up and change state to down and I cannot ping the router.
> 
> I have:-
> Changed the router
> Changed the transceiver and all the cables
> But still the same.
> 
> What is the possibility now
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> William
> 
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RE: EIGRP contiguous AS

[Robert Padjen]

The idea of using a tunnel for this scares the
heeby-jeebies out of me!!! I should have noted a
'supportable' network! ;) It is a clever idea however.


--- Gerwin Boschloo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ok ok ok ok, you are all right...I was too fast with
> my judgement.sorry.
> I thought that someone tried to use EIGRP and IGRP
> to out smart BGP for
> Interdomain routing..sorry again!!
> 
> Gerwin
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:50 AM
> To: Cisco Mail List; Kenny Sallee
> Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
> 
> 
> Excellent!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Kenny Sallee
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:49 PM
> To:   Gerwin Boschloo; 'Luong, David'; 'Robert
> Padjen';
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: EIGRP contiguous AS
> 
> Sure it will work -- if you redistribute. This is
> where you will possible
> see routing loops.
> 
>  You can also create a tunnel interface on both
> EIGRP routers and share
> EIGRP info that way.  This way they will both look
> like they are directly
> connected.  Here's a possible config for the tunnel:
> 
>  (e0) r1(s0) -(s0) r2(s1) -(s0)r3(e0)
> 
> r1 and r3 e0 interfaces are in the 172.16.0.0
> address space
> All serial interfaces are in the 192.168.0.0 address
> space
> r1 and r3 are running eigrp
> r2 is running igrp with someone else
> 
> r1:
> int e0
> ip address 172.16.2.1 255.255.255.0
> 
> int tunnel 0
> ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
> tunnel source 
> tunnel destination 
> .
> .
> router eigrp 100
> network 172.16.0.0
> no auto
> 
> r3:
> int tunnel 0
> ip address 172.16.1.2 255.255.255.0
> tunnel source 
> tunnel destination 
> 
> router eigrp 100
> network 172.16.0.0
> no auto
> 
> 
> Kenny
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gerwin Boschloo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Luong, David'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "'Robert Padjen'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:16 PM
> Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
> 
> 
> > EIGRP and IGRP are both Interior Gateway Protocols
> that are used inside a
> > AS. Therefore, when you want to connect different
> AS'es, you need an
> > Exterior Gateway Protocol like BGP. Within BGP you
> are routing to
> different
> > AS'es therefore the AS'es should be unique.
> >
> > Therefore: EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 50    
> EIGRP AS 1 will not
> work.
> >
> > Gerwin
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Luong, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:14 AM
> > To: 'Robert Padjen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> >
> > If I remember correct, AS numbers do not have to
> be contiguous unless if
> you
> > want automatic redistributing between EIGRP and
> IGRP.  If you have
> different
> > AS across boundaries then you will need to have to
> manually redistribute..
> ..
> >
> > My $0.02...
> >
> > David Luong, CCNA,Network+,A+,i-Net+
> > Telecommunications Analyst
> > Insurance Corporation of B.C.
> > Vancouver, B.C CANADA
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Padjen [
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  ]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 3:18 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> > I have an interesting question for the group,
> although
> > it is not directly related to any of the current
> > exams.
> >
> > Does an EIGRP AS have to be contiguous or can it
> be on
> > two sides of an IGRP 'AS'. I note that the use of
> the
> > term AS is a mis-nomer for both protocols, but...
> >
> > For example, does:
> >
> > EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 1      EIGRP AS 1
> >
> > pose a problem?
> >
> > Does:
> >
> > EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 50     EIGRP AS 1
> >
> > My belief is that it could work, but it breaks the
> > concept of an AS and could lead to routing
> topology
> > table problems. Any takers?
> >
> > (I'll be working with my team in the lab, but
> thought
> > it was an interesting thought questions.)
> >
> > Nothing but net!
> >
> > =
> > Robert Padjen
> >
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Re: new version of 802.1q?

[Ryan Finnesey]

Andy Harding wrote on 6/5/00 4:06 pm:

>spot on - draft available at:
> 
>ftp://p8021:-go_wildcats@p
>8021.hep.net/8021/s-drafts
>/d4/802-1s-d4.pdf
> 
>don't know about spanning 
>forest tho...;-)
> 
>cheers
> 
>Andy
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: Eric Fairfield 
>Newsgroups: 
>groupstudy.cisco
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 
>3:38 PM
>Subject: Re: new version of 
>802.1q?
>
>I believe 802.1s is the 
>standards group working on 
>Spanning Forest (per vlan 
>stp)
>
>"Andy Harding" < 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>9.co.uk> wrote in message 
>news:01f801bfce8a$c41bace
>0$[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>have been having (semi) 
>argument at work about 
>dot1q versus ISL
> 
>my understanding is that 
>dot 1q runs one instance of 
>spanning tree per trunk, 
>rather than per vlan as ISL 
>does - hence if one VLAN is 
>blocking then dot1q disables 
>the entire trunk
> 
>A collegue of mine reckons 
>that dot 1q now does as per 
>ISL and runs STP on a 
>per-vlan basis, but the 
>802.1q spec has changed 
>without the # changing
> 
>someone help me out here...
> 
>thanks
> 
>Andy
> 
> 
>

 application/ms-tnef

RE: EIGRP contiguous AS

[Chuck Larrieu]

Other than the general sloppiness of such an approach, Robert, what are some
of your concerns? I think this might be an interesting discussion from a
design standpoint.

Chuck

-Original Message-
From:   Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:43 AM
To: Gerwin Boschloo; 'Chuck Larrieu'; Cisco Mail List; Kenny Sallee
Subject:RE: EIGRP contiguous AS

The idea of using a tunnel for this scares the
heeby-jeebies out of me!!! I should have noted a
'supportable' network! ;) It is a clever idea however.


--- Gerwin Boschloo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ok ok ok ok, you are all right...I was too fast with
> my judgement.sorry.
> I thought that someone tried to use EIGRP and IGRP
> to out smart BGP for
> Interdomain routing..sorry again!!
>
> Gerwin
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:50 AM
> To: Cisco Mail List; Kenny Sallee
> Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
>
>
> Excellent!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Kenny Sallee
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:49 PM
> To:   Gerwin Boschloo; 'Luong, David'; 'Robert
> Padjen';
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: EIGRP contiguous AS
>
> Sure it will work -- if you redistribute. This is
> where you will possible
> see routing loops.
>
>  You can also create a tunnel interface on both
> EIGRP routers and share
> EIGRP info that way.  This way they will both look
> like they are directly
> connected.  Here's a possible config for the tunnel:
>
>  (e0) r1(s0) -(s0) r2(s1) -(s0)r3(e0)
>
> r1 and r3 e0 interfaces are in the 172.16.0.0
> address space
> All serial interfaces are in the 192.168.0.0 address
> space
> r1 and r3 are running eigrp
> r2 is running igrp with someone else
>
> r1:
> int e0
> ip address 172.16.2.1 255.255.255.0
>
> int tunnel 0
> ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
> tunnel source 
> tunnel destination 
> .
> .
> router eigrp 100
> network 172.16.0.0
> no auto
>
> r3:
> int tunnel 0
> ip address 172.16.1.2 255.255.255.0
> tunnel source 
> tunnel destination 
>
> router eigrp 100
> network 172.16.0.0
> no auto
>
>
> Kenny
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gerwin Boschloo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Luong, David'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "'Robert Padjen'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:16 PM
> Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
>
>
> > EIGRP and IGRP are both Interior Gateway Protocols
> that are used inside a
> > AS. Therefore, when you want to connect different
> AS'es, you need an
> > Exterior Gateway Protocol like BGP. Within BGP you
> are routing to
> different
> > AS'es therefore the AS'es should be unique.
> >
> > Therefore: EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 50  
> EIGRP AS 1 will not
> work.
> >
> > Gerwin
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Luong, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:14 AM
> > To: 'Robert Padjen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> >
> > If I remember correct, AS numbers do not have to
> be contiguous unless if
> you
> > want automatic redistributing between EIGRP and
> IGRP.  If you have
> different
> > AS across boundaries then you will need to have to
> manually redistribute..
> ..
> >
> > My $0.02...
> >
> > David Luong, CCNA,Network+,A+,i-Net+
> > Telecommunications Analyst
> > Insurance Corporation of B.C.
> > Vancouver, B.C CANADA
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Padjen [
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  ]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 3:18 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> > I have an interesting question for the group,
> although
> > it is not directly related to any of the current
> > exams.
> >
> > Does an EIGRP AS have to be contiguous or can it
> be on
> > two sides of an IGRP 'AS'. I note that the use of
> the
> > term AS is a mis-nomer for both protocols, but...
> >
> > For example, does:
> >
> > EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 1      EIGRP AS 1
> >
> > pose a problem?
> >
> > Does:
> >
> > EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 50     EIGRP AS 1
> >
> > My belief is that it could work, but it breaks the
> > concept of an AS and could lead to routing
> topology
> > table problems. Any takers?
> >
> > (I'll be working with my team in the lab, but
> thought
> > it was an interesting thought questions.)
> >
> > Nothing but net!
> >
> > =
> > Robert Padjen
> >
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Visio drawing for Cisco equipment

[Daniel Ma]

I just bought a Visio 2000 technical version, however I can not find the
cisco drawing library, for example, the catalyst switches or cisco routers.
Could anyone tell me where I could find those drawing libraries?

Thanks,

Daniel Ma


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Re: [Fwd: Morning]

[Dale Holmes]

The answer is in the question...

You said you are using subinterfaces. No doubt your hub site has a 
multipoint subinterface. In this case, the router treats each subinterface 
as if it were a seperate physical interface. So there is no issue with 
split-horizon.

The problem with split-horizon come into play with physical interfaces. If 
you have multiple PVC's associated with a single physical interface, you 
could have a problem. Let's say your hub has multiple PVC's (one for each 
spoke) associated with a single physical interface, s0. A route that is 
learned by the hub from a spoke cannot be advertised to the other spokes 
because split-horizon will prevent it from being sent back out the same 
interface on which it was received (s0). In this instance, you need to turn 
off IP split-horizon at the hub.

Change the hub to subinterfaces, and a route learned from one spoke comes in 
on one subinterface (let's say s0.1), and the router has no problem 
readvertising the route on subinterfaces s0.2 and s0.3 because it treats 
them as if they were seperate physical interfaces.

Is this clear? or am I rambling...

David's paper states:

"With frame-relay, a single physical interface can have many different PVCs 
associated with it.
...
R1 will learn about the 10.0.0.0/8 network via its own serial 0 interface, 
but split-horizon will prevent R1 from ever advertising the 10.0.0.0/8 
network back out the serial 0 interface."

He specifically states that this applies to physical interfaces, whic is not 
your configuration. So there is no contradiction...

I hope this helps...

Dale
[=`)


>From: "Scott Livingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Scott Livingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Fwd: Morning]
>Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 12:15:55 -0500
>
>can someone help out here please? THANKS!
>subject:
>Morning
>Date:
>Tue, 06 Jun 2000 07:50:00 -0500
>   From:
>Scott Livinston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Helmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
>This is reference to Mr. David Wosefer's white paper about Frame Relay..
>
>David,
>
>We are currently running a small F.R. network over here and something
>you wrote contradicted what we currently have in operation..  Currently
>we have a hub and spoke topology, 3 spokes to be exact... we are an IP,
>partial meshed network running subinterfaces and EIGRP.. You mentioned
>in your paper that you need to turn off ip split-horizon on the
>subinterfaces if the spokes are to know about the other spokes
>networks.. Well in our case we don't have ip split horizons turned off
>and the spokes know about all other spokes... How could this be? I had
>my lead engineer look @ this and we both cant figure out this
>discrepancy between what you published and what we are currently running
>
>over here... If you get some time could you please show me where i might
>
>be lost? Thanks for your help!
>
>--
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Re: service module for 2612

[Fred Nielsen]

Try
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_mod/cis2600/softw
are/config.htm#xtocid417116

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:
:  -Original Message-
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: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 4:44 PM
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: Subject: service module for 2612
:
: Can anyone provide me for a link that would describe setting up a T1
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: module in a 2612?
: I am connecting it to a 3600, but I need to set the WIC in the 2600 for a
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RE: pls. advise - DLSW over Frame-relay with IPSEC, possible? -

[Mohan]

hi all, pls. disregard the previous message, sent in by mistake. sorry.

okay, back to my actual question. I'm running dlsw over frame-relay and want
to run ipsec on it. Is  this possible? someone told me, ipsec does not
support dlsw, is there a way i can get this done?  has anyone tried this
before and got it working? i appreciate some config. or whatever that can
help me to get this done. pls. help.

thank you,

mohan

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Cisco Studygroup in HamptonRoads, VA - Revisited..

[Nigel Taylor]

Hi All,
        Well I decided to make a 
final plea to all in reference to starting a CCNP/CCIE studygroup in the 
HamptonRoads(Hampton, Norfolk, VA Beach, Chesapeake) area.  Anyone 
interested please contact me off-line.  I've already made contact with the 
local Cisco reps.  I just need to know if this will be supported by the 
masses.
 
Thanks
 
Nigel

Re: Cisco Certified Salaries

[Thomas]

My address is incorrect so...you cannot reply to me. But I thought that
I would just say

I am a graduate of Iowa State University.  I know that salaries for IT
can be low in Iowa depending on where you live. That said, I have a
friend who obtained an MCSE before graduating with an MIS degree from
ISU and he made $35k upon graduation. The company paid for his MCSE
classes _before_ he graduated from ISU. He worked in Des Moines and not
for a large co.(about 120 desktops max).

I also have an MIS degree and am almost ready to take the CCNA(mid
July). I am already starting to select CCNP CCDA materials to study. In
my opinion you need a CCNP / CCDP to make a buck in this field because
the level of knowledge has to be there for the company to 1) hire you 2)
leave you to do a task unattended. If they cannot leave you unattended
to do a task...then what good are you?


Thomas
Working on CCNA(1 month)...CCNP / CCDP (before december possibly). 


James Gan wrote:
> 
> I'm in Iowa. and thought that's abt the normal rate
> here.
> --- Dale Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes. Quit today! Go to www.dice.com and find another
> > job in your area.
> >
> > Where do you live anyway?
> >
> >
> > >From: James Gan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: James Gan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: RE: Cisco Certified Salaries
> > >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:49:32 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Well, after reading all the posts regarding this
> > >subject I'm kinda in doubt to as what my true value
> > >is. what do you guys (recruiters or fellow
> > >professionals) think, I've 3 years in this field,
> > with
> > >a B.A, CCNP, CCNA, MCSE, Network+. I'm getting
> > >27K/yr.. Am I considered pathetic ??
> > >
> > >*
> > >I agree anyone making less than 60k in this field
> > is
> > >underpaid no matter
> > >where you live. Starting salary is 60k even with a
> > >CCNA. At least it was 3
> > >years ago when I left System Admin and went to Wan
> > >development.
> > >
> > >Derek S. Winchester
> > >Sr. Wan Engineer
> > >Data Communications Department
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Phone: 410-953-4887
> > >Cell: 443-562-3456
> > >
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: John Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 4:36 PM
> > >To: Chad A. Simmons, MCSE; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Salaries
> > >
> > >
> > >$29k is very low in the IT industry.
> > >
> > >Give yourself 2 more yrs of experience and you
> > should
> > >be making 40-50k
> > >
> > >It is redundant to put MCP and MCSE next to each
> > >other.
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Chad A. Simmons, MCSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 2:00 PM
> > >Subject: Cisco Certified Salaries
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am a consultant for a small consulting firm. I
> > >have about 3 months of
> > > > (real experience. I used to do small consulting
> > jobs
> > >on the side)
> > > > experience. I have earned my MCP, MCSE, CCNA,
> > and
> > >CCDA. I am currently
> > > > persuing my CCNP. I make only 29,000 a year plus
> > >overtime. This seems low
> > >to
> > > > me. I was wondering what anyone in a similar
> > >situation is making.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Chad,  MCP, MCSE, CCNA, CCDA
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Re: ISL Support [was Re: Cat 5000 Sup 1 and Sup 2 differences]

[Henrique Issamu Terada]

Catalyst's 4003 also don't support ISL , just dot1q.
You can see that by show port capabilities

Henrique Issamu Terada
CPM Comunicações - Brazil
CCNA Certified
- Original Message -
From: Darren Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 5:16 AM
Subject: ISL Support [was Re: Cat 5000 Sup 1 and Sup 2 differences]


> Hi Flem,
>
> I'm trying to find it.
>
> I had a case logged regarding why there was no ISL of the new 2948G
> switches we bought and the answer was that they now only support dot1q
> trunking.
>
> The link the case I opened is now no longer visible but I found the
> following:
>
> Features of 2948G, you'll notice only 802.1Q VLAN's and VTP Supported.
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat2948/inst_gd/01intro.
htm
>
> Hmmm.. I can't find any references on any statements just yet, but from
> the discussion I had with the TAC during the case they said that they
> were moving away from proprietory protocols where an equivalent was
> supported as in the case of ISL and 802.1Q
>
> Like most things I think we'll see ISL still supported in most future
> releases but it's interesting that the 2948G definately has no ISL
> support at all.
>
> Darren
>
> Flem wrote:
>
> > Hi Darren ,
> >
> > Do you have a reference on cco stating that cisco will
> > no longer support ISL in the future ?
> >
> > thanks,
> > flem
> >
> > --- Darren Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Well the advantage is that I saw was that some
> > > switching modules are supported
> > > in 5.x that aren't supported in 4.x
> > >
> > > I think it was the 36 port 10/100 switching modules
> > > from memory.
> > >
> > > I think there might have also been something with
> > > NetFlow enhancements in 5.x
> > > over 4.x?
> > >
> > > Both do support ISL but remember Cisco themselves
> > > have stated that they will not
> > > support ISL in the future and that VLAN's should use
> > > dot1q from now on.
> > >
> > > In fact there are some 28xx and 29xx switches that
> > > now cannot support ISL!
> > > I know the 2824G with new software cannot for sure!
> > >
> > > Darren
> > >
> > > Mark Holloway wrote:
> > >
> > > > I know the Catalyst 5000 Supervisor 1 engine only
> > > supports LAN Switching IOS
> > > > 4.x and lower due to the 16MB memory limit.  Some
> > > Sup 2 modules only support
> > > > 4.x, some support 5.x, but are there really any
> > > advantages to running IOS
> > > > 5.x versus 4.x?  If not, are there any advantages
> > > of 4.x on a Sup 2 versus a
> > > > Sup 1?  Do they all support ISL?
> > > >
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RE: Good BGP book?

[Irwin Lazar]

Internet Routing Architectures - Version 2, by Basam Halabi.  

Also, see http://www.itprc.com/routing.htm for links to BGP resources.  And,
CertificationZone - http://www.certificationzone.com/ has a BGP tutorial
that folks have been raving over.

Don't forget that this list is archived at http://www.groupstudy.com/.  You
can search the archive before posting messages.  This question gets asked
about every two weeks.

Irwin

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Good BGP book?


Hello all,
Can someone please recommend a good BGP book? 

Thanks in advance.


Joe Quezada
Electronic Data Systems
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Recall: pls. advise - DLSW over Frame-relay with IPSEC, possible?

[Mohan]

Mohan would like to recall the message, "pls. advise - DLSW over Frame-relay
with IPSEC, possible?".

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pls. advise - DLSW over Frame-relay with IPSEC, possible?

[Mohan]

service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log uptime
no service password-encryption
!
hostname HQ
!
!
username BR password 0 gemini60
username PH password 0 gemini60
username SG password 0 gemini60
username HQ password 0 gemini60
ip subnet-zero
!q
isdn switch-type basic-net3
!
source-bridge ring-group 1000
!
!
!
interface Loopback0
ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
!
interface Ethernet0/0
 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 shutdown
!
interface Serial0/0
 no ip address
 no ip directed-broadcast
 encapsulation frame-relay IETF
 no ip mroute-cache
 shutdown
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
!
interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point
 ip address 202.162.11.241 255.255.255.252
 no ip directed-broadcast
 no arp frame-relay
 backup delay 30 60
 backup interface Dialer1
 frame-relay interface-dlci 60   
!
interface Serial0/0.2 point-to-point
 ip address 202.162.11.245 255.255.255.252
 no ip directed-broadcast
 backup delay 30 60
 backup interface Dialer2
 frame-relay interface-dlci 70   
!
interface BRI0/0
 no ip address
 no ip directed-broadcast
 encapsulation ppp
 shutdown
 dialer pool-member 1
 dialer pool-member 2
 isdn switch-type basic-net3
 ppp authentication chap
!
interface Ethernet1/0
 no ip address
 no ip directed-broadcast
 shutdown
!
interface Serial1/0
 no ip address
 no ip directed-broadcast
 encapsulation frame-relay IETF
 no ip mroute-cache
 shutdown
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
!
interface Serial1/0.1 point-to-point
 ip address 202.162.11.249 255.255.255.252
 no ip directed-broadcast
 no arp frame-relay
 backup delay 30 60
 backup interface Dialer3
 frame-relay interface-dlci 60   
!
interface BRI1/0
 no ip address
 no ip directed-broadcast
 encapsulation ppp
 shutdown
 dialer pool-member 3
 isdn switch-type basic-net3
 ppp authentication chap
!
interface Dialer1
 ip address 20.20.20.1 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 encapsulation ppp
 dialer remote-name PH
 dialer string 1234567
 dialer pool 1
 dialer-group 1
!
interface Dialer2
 ip address 30.30.30.1 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 encapsulation ppp
 dialer remote-name SG
 dialer string 1234567
 dialer pool 2
 dialer-group 1
!
interface Dialer3
 ip address 40.40.40.1 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 encapsulation ppp
 dialer remote-name BR
 dialer string 1234567
 dialer pool 3
 dialer-group 1
!
router eigrp 1
 network 1.1.1.0 0.0.0.255
 network 10.1.1.0 0.0.0.255
 network 202.162.11.240 0.0.0.3
 network 202.162.11.244 0.0.0.3
 network 202.162.11.248 0.0.0.3
 no auto-summary
!
ip classless
ip route 2.2.2.0 255.255.255.0 20.20.20.2 150
ip route 3.3.3.0 255.255.255.0 30.30.30.2 150
ip route 4.4.4.0 255.255.255.0 40.40.40.2 150
no ip http server
!
!
!
line con 0
 transport input none
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 password cisco
 login
!
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Re: setting mtu size on a 2611

[Eric Waguespack]

They, (we) don't recommend changing the mtu, we DO recommend Configure Multilink

PPP with Interleaving /FRF.12 fragmentation setup rules for Voice over IP
connections over Frame Relay.

-Eric

Chuck Larrieu wrote:

> One reason might be a move to voice over IP. While I am not really up to
> speed on this yet, I recently attended Cisco sponsored AVVID training, and
> this was a point that was made. On the internal network, having a smaller
> MTU helps greatly on the voice over side. Voice packets suffer less delay
> when data packets are smaller rather than larger. Voice packs don't have to
> wait around for large data packets to go through. Less delay = better voice
> quality.
>
> I asked specifically about the issues on the data side, and the instructor
> did point out that ATM, with a packet size of 53 bytes, was highly efficient
> and did not cause data services to denigrate.
>
> I suppose there is the additional overhead of fragmenting and reassembling
> large packets. And a major issue if the DF bit is set. One more reason never
> to set the DF bit, I suppose.
>
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
> From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Robert John Lake
> Sent:   Monday, June 05, 2000 9:58 AM
> To: Clark, Jason
> Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject:Re: setting mtu size on a 2611
>
> Hi,
>
> Why do you want to change the MTU size You are going to walk into
> serious issues if you do.
>
> Robert
>
> "Clark, Jason" wrote:
> >
> > Good Morning
> >
> > I am trying to manually set the MTU size on a 2611 and am receiving the
> > following message % Interface Ethernet0/0 does not support user settable
> > mtu."  Is it not possible to manually set the MTU size on Ethernet
> > interfaces?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Jason
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IPSEC through a PIX firewall

[Stan Hoffman]

Hi, All,

  I recently had cause to connect a client inside our private
network(10.x.x.x) through a PIX with static NAT.  I already know of the
issues with PPTP (at least, the MPPC implementation) and NAT. However,
this instance was between an NT box running client software and a Nortel
Contivity (not our choice, client supplied gear).  The interesting point
was that the only way we could find to allow the IPSEC connection was to
open ALL IP traffic, between the two, at the PIX.

  This was apparently because (and I confirmed this with TAC) the PIX does
not allow the declaration of AH or ESP protocol permit statements. TCP,
UDP, GRE, ISAKMP,... but no joy with protocol 50 or 51 (not to mention
SKIP for the UNIX folks out there ).

  I was wondering if anyone else out tyhere has fought this dragon?  TAC
hinted that this "small oversight" might be corrected in a future release
of the IOS.

Thanks in Advance,

Stan M. Hoffman, MCSE, CCNA
Senior Network Engineer
Rare Medium
Houston, TX




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Re: Passed CCNA 2.0

[NHK]

Congratulation Philip,

I will be taking CCNA 2.0 this Saturday, would you mind share your
experience while attempting the questions?
I couldn't find any CCNA 2.0 exam outline, and I was a bit worried of the
topics covered. FYI, I've failed the CCNA
beta (620/1000), so your information will be really helpful to me.

Thanks!

Best wishes,
Ryan





"Paco Rivera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07-06-2000 09:05:52 AM

Please respond to "Paco Rivera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:(bcc: Ryan Ngai Hon Kong/GHL Technologies/MY)
Subject:  Passed CCNA 2.0




I've just taken and passed my first certification test today. I was quite
hesitant because I selected the CCNA 2.0 test. I did ok on the test. I
received a score of 870/1000. Passing was set at 820. Thanks to the
group...


-Philip


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Re: [Fwd: Morning]

[Atif Awan]

What kind of sub interfaces do you have ?

If you have point-to-point subinterfaces then you need to disable split
horizon manually. For the physical interface as well as multipoint
subinterfaces ( used in frame relay ) split horizon is disabled by default.

please correct me if i am wrong

Regards
Atif Awan

-Original Message-
From: Jim Healis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Scott Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Morning]


>I think what he was talking about is turning off split horizon if the spoke
>sites have a PVC defined between them.  Split horizon can be left on and
the
>site will know about each other through the hub. In other words: If you
have
>a strict hub and spoke topology then you can leave split horizon turned on
>and the sites will know about each other through the hub. But if you have a
>fully meshed FR network with a hub and spoke topology then you must turn
off
>split horizon so that each spoke can talk to other spokes without going
>through the hub.
>
>Make sense? =)
>
>Jim Healis, CCNP, CCDP
>Senior Network Engineer
>wine.com
>
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>office: (510) 818-7352
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Scott
>Livingston
>Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:16 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Fwd: Morning]
>
>can someone help out here please? THANKS!
>subject:
>   Morning
>   Date:
>   Tue, 06 Jun 2000 07:50:00 -0500
>  From:
>   Scott Livinston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Helmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
>This is reference to Mr. David Wosefer's white paper about Frame Relay..
>
>David,
>
>We are currently running a small F.R. network over here and something
>you wrote contradicted what we currently have in operation..  Currently
>we have a hub and spoke topology, 3 spokes to be exact... we are an IP,
>partial meshed network running subinterfaces and EIGRP.. You mentioned
>in your paper that you need to turn off ip split-horizon on the
>subinterfaces if the spokes are to know about the other spokes
>networks.. Well in our case we don't have ip split horizons turned off
>and the spokes know about all other spokes... How could this be? I had
>my lead engineer look @ this and we both cant figure out this
>discrepancy between what you published and what we are currently running
>
>over here... If you get some time could you please show me where i might
>
>be lost? Thanks for your help!
>
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RE: Passed CCNA 2.0

[NHK]

Chee Tong,

What I could tell about the differences (after the CCNA 2.0 beta exam) are
the material covers
such as VLAN, trunking and some other switching technique which is not
cover in CCNA 1.0.
I'll be attempting this exam again this coming Saturday, hope I could get
through this time.  :)

Best wishes,
Ryan





"Sim, CT (Chee Tong)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07-06-2000
09:42:15 AM

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  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:(bcc: Ryan Ngai Hon Kong/GHL Technologies/MY)
Subject:  RE: Passed CCNA 2.0




Hi..  When is the CCNA 1.0 expired?  What is the Passing mark of CCNA 1.0?
820 as well?  What is the difference between CCNA 1.0 and CCNA 2.0?   I
bought the Sybex CCNA 1.0 (407)book, can I use it to prepare for CCNA 2.0.
how many question for CCNA 1.0 and 2.0?  How long is the test?

Pls guide me.  Thank you


Chee Tong


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Passed CCNA 2.0


I've just taken and passed my first certification test today. I was quite
hesitant because I selected the CCNA 2.0 test. I did ok on the test. I
received a score of 870/1000. Passing was set at 820. Thanks to the
group...


-Philip


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RE: Off topic --- VPN testing methodologies

[Jarrett Hinds]

When you are using Firewalls doing VPN's, you are troubleshooting three
basics areas.  The encryption piece, the ACL piece and the routing piece.
Anyone of these can hose you, so you need tools to troubleshoot each of
them.  A fourth piece could be translation, but I would skip this until the
VPN is working well.

As far as tools go, the most important in my mind is the ability to sniff
traffic on the wire around the two VPN connections points.  You need to be
able to do this on each side of a gateway to see if traffic is passing
correctly and also if it has been encrypted/decrypted as you expected.  This
can be done with tcpdump or snoop on *nix boxes, but if its NT, you need
something external.  Something that will allow you to see what packets are
traversing as well as view the layers of the packets.  This is crucial in
successful VPN testing, since it helps troubleshoot each piece in one tool.
You will also need the basic troubleshooting tools to generate traffic and
test connectivity: ping, telnet and any other app that you are trying to
pass.  

There are several ways to setup VPN's, so documentation is crucial.  You
won't be able to remember if it worked with DES and MD5 with pre-shared
passwords, but not 3DES and SHA1 with an external certificate server after a
couple times of testing.  Unless you are intimately familiar with the
different configurations, I would recommend building procedures/checklists
utilizing each of the technologies in which a product offers connection.
This will obviously be smaller if you are doing multi-vender
interoperability testing, but if you are using say FW-1 to FW-1 VPN's, there
are several possible scenarios.


Hope this helps,

Jarrett

-Original Message-
From: Krishnan Narayanan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:57 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Off topic --- VPN testing methodlogies



Hi ,

 I would be testing various VPN solutions viz..
Cisco,Checkpoint,Nortel (anything else ?).

I would appreciate inputs on 

1) How does one test?...ie: methodology a design and a
schematic procedure for  testing in various scenarios 
considering different options.

2)What does one measure for evaluating the product/technology? 

3)Tools required :eg IOS with IPplus,Real secure etc



Thanks in advance.

K.Narayanan.

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New York City Study Group for CCNP

[Shaq Patel]

ALL those that are very interested: A group of people including myself are
having a study group get together this weekened:

Specs:
Saturday at 10-10:30 then.
NY Public Library, 42ndand 5th,

Meeting @ the left stone column with the lion on top.

Any questions Ping me:o) and well let OSPF handle the rest-

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Re: OSPF configuration - Please help

[Kenny Sallee]

Why not start by doing a "sh int s0" to check the physical connectivity?

Kenny

- Original Message -
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: OSPF configuration - Please help


>
>
> Are you able to ping the other router?  Do you see it with 'sh cdp nei'?
Also,
> you should do 'shut' then 'no shut'.  The other way around shuts down the
> interfaces (the way you said below).  Also, on Router B, I see no
indication of
> an area statement.  IE:  network 192.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0.  There is a
network
> statement under router ospf, but I am not familiar enough to know the
effects of
> putting 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 in that statement.  My understanding is that you
must
> give it an area (although if you don't, it may default to area 0).
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Billy Monroe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/06/2000 12:14:15 PM
>
> Please respond to "Billy Monroe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  cc:  (bcc: Benjamin Walling/HQ/INDECON)
>
>
>
>  Subject: OSPF configuration - Please help
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello:
>
> I have two 2503 and I am following Hutnik's to configure OSPF.
> I connected RouterA, s0 (DCE) to RouterB, s0(DTE).
>
> When I enter #show ip ospf int I see the following:
> ...
> Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State DOWN
>   Hello due in...
> ...
>
>
> The State should be "POINT_TO_POINT".
> The routers don't see each other. (#show ip route doesn't display OSPF
> entry).
> I entered "no shut" and "shut" in both routers s0 interfaces but it didn't
> work. Any idea of what is wrong ?
>
>
> Configurarion is below.
>
>
> THanks,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RouterA
>
>
> !
> hostname RouterA
> !
> int Loopback0
> ip add 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
>
>
> int Loopback1
> ip add 11.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
> !
> int S0
> ip add 192.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
> no fair-queue
> router ospf 64
> network 192.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 0
> network 10.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 0
> !
> no ip classless
> !
> ...
>
>
> RouterB
>
>
> !
> hostname RouterB
> !
> int loopack0
> ip add 152.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
> int Loopback1
> ip add 153.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
> !
> int serial0
> ip add 192.1.1.2 255.255.255.0
> no fair-queue
> clockrate 50
> !
> int s1
> no ip add
> shutdown
> !
> router ospf 64
> network 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255
> !
> no ip classless
> !
> ...
>
>
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Re: Recommended Website for CCIE study?

[Lawrence Dwyer]

Agreed
excellent white papers and practice tests from some pretty well known
authors

Joe Martin wrote:

> www.certificationzone.com
>
> JOE
> CCIE 5917
>
> "Doug Laing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > for the CCIE certification?  NetworkStudyGuides.Com has been great for
> > CCNA and CCNP, but I have not looked at the CCIE portion of this site
> > yet.
> >
> > Thanks!
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Re: ip unnumbered

[jenny . mcleod]

No, the addresses don't have to match.  You would usually use ip unnumbered on
both ends of the link (in fact you may have to - don't know, haven't
experimented), so the addresses can be (and generally are) completely different.

JMcL
-- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 07/06/2000 09:10
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Justin Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/06/2000 21:11:11

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To:   ALI SHEERAZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: JENNY MCLEOD/NSO/CSDA)
Subject:  Re: ip unnumbered



if your ethernet0 is 10.0.0.1
and you make your serial0 have that unnumbered thingy
so both your serial and ethernet have 10.0.0.1 does that mean
the remote site your connecting to will have to have an address like
10.0.0.2 so its in the same network as your serial0 ?

thanks :)


On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, ALI SHEERAZ wrote:

>
> The "ip unnumbered" configuration command allows you to enable IP processing
> on a serial interface without assigning it an explicit IP address. This is a
> good way to conserve network and address space.
>
> Consider a class B network subnetted with eight bits. Every interface in the
> network including the serial lines will require a subnet. Since each serial
> line has only two nodes, this wastes 252 addresses on each serial line.
> Here's where IP unnumbered comes in handy. For any point-to-point serial
> link or point-to-point sub- interface, IP unnumbered lets you borrow the
> address of some LAN interface to use as a source address for routing updates
> and packets from that interface. No network is wasted, and precious address
> space is conserved.
>
> IP Unnumbered is used for point-to-point links.
>
>
> Command Syntax
> ---
>
>   interface Ethernet0
>   ip address 171.68.178.196 255.255.255.192
>   interface Serial1 ip unnumbered Ethernet0
>
>   router igrp 10 network 171.68.0.0
>
>
> >Hi fellows
> >could anybody explain to me what "ip unnumbered" command is, and how it is
> >used?
> >thanks in advance.
>
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Re: Cisco Secure !!!!!

[David]

Brad Ellis wrote:
> 
> no, you need to buy it
> ""skt"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hi all..
> 
> can any one tell me about cisco secure  i have heard about it, that it
> is shareversion .can u pleasse tell me the url which points to that
> location



Well, it really depends on what you want to do.  I haven't had a chance
to play around with CiscoSecure yet, but it apparently requires an
Oracle or Sybase installation to maintain RADIUS, TACACS+, and other
information.  It's designed for large environments with many thousands
of entries.  If you just need a simple TACACS+ or RADIUS server for a
hundred accounts or so, there are plenty of free platforms out there. 
Just search around.

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Re: SNA device types

[David C Prall]

> > > >PU type 1 were really stupid terminals.  Reaching back in my memory
> > > >archives, I think it was the 3176 that was an SNA-attached Selectric
> > > >typewriter. Whatever the number, there was one.  Frightening...a fair
> > > >number of people on the list probably haven't ever seen a Selectric
> > > >typewriter.
> > > >
> > > Never seen a Selectric typewriter??? I actually own one...
> > >
> > > [=`)
> > >
> > Selectric, that is a real fancy machine. I still attempt to use my Old
> > Remington No. 10 at least once a month. My No. 7 is getting old and the
keys
> > just aren't like they used to be, after all it is a 103 year old
typewriter.
>
> What's a typewriter?  Kind of like a printer with a keyboard attached?
>
> ;-)
>

My 5 year old sons failed a test at school that involved objects and giving
descriptions. My wife had to go to this evaluation about the test in order
to determine if they were ready for progressing on to the next grade, or
should they be held back. One of the items was a picture of a Typewriter,
both of my boys answered "Puter" and missed the question. How many kids
below the age of 20, have ever even seen a Typewriter. As far as I'm
concerned, my kids got every question right. All they needed to do was
answer the question, they are 5 and kids will be kids.

I own about 20 Manual Typewriters, it sort of stems from my love of
computers and understanding where all of this started. Just watching as the
keys are pressed and the letters slam into the paper. (c:

David C Prall, CCDP CCNP MCSE MCNE
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RE: HSRP Question

[Mike Shannon]

You need the group number.

mms> -Original Message-
mms> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
mms> Mark
mms> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:19 AM
mms> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mms> Subject: HSRP Question
mms> 
mms> 
mms> When configuring HSRP, Cisco gives the example of:
mms> 
mms> interface ethernet 0
mms> ip address 1.0.0.1 255.0.0.0
mms> standby 1 ip 1.0.0.4
mms> standby 1 preempt
mms> standby 1 priority 110
mms> standby authentication microdot
mms> 
mms> The question is:
mms> 
mms> If the group number ie; standby "1", is not included such as 
mms> the following,
mms> what happens?
mms> 
mms>  Example:
mms> 
mms> interface ethernet 0
mms> ip address 1.0.0.1 255.0.0.0
mms> standby  ip 1.0.0.4
mms> standby  preempt
mms> standby  priority 110
mms> standby authentication microdot
mms> 
mms> 
mms> Thanks,
mms> Mark
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RE: ip unnumbered

[Mahesh Gupta]

Will the broadcast packets cross the router in this case ??
as router is a part of the same subnet which is available across a point
to point serially connected networks.

Mahesh

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Justin Marcus
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 4:41 PM
> To: ALI SHEERAZ
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ip unnumbered
>
>
> if your ethernet0 is 10.0.0.1
> and you make your serial0 have that unnumbered thingy
> so both your serial and ethernet have 10.0.0.1 does that mean
> the remote site your connecting to will have to have an address like
> 10.0.0.2 so its in the same network as your serial0 ?
>
> thanks :)
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, ALI SHEERAZ wrote:
>
> >
> > The "ip unnumbered" configuration command allows you to enable
> IP processing
> > on a serial interface without assigning it an explicit IP
> address. This is a
> > good way to conserve network and address space.
> >
> > Consider a class B network subnetted with eight bits. Every
> interface in the
> > network including the serial lines will require a subnet. Since
> each serial
> > line has only two nodes, this wastes 252 addresses on each serial line.
> > Here's where IP unnumbered comes in handy. For any
> point-to-point serial
> > link or point-to-point sub- interface, IP unnumbered lets you
> borrow the
> > address of some LAN interface to use as a source address for
> routing updates
> > and packets from that interface. No network is wasted, and
> precious address
> > space is conserved.
> >
> > IP Unnumbered is used for point-to-point links.
> >
> >
> > Command Syntax
> > ---
> >
> >   interface Ethernet0
> >   ip address 171.68.178.196 255.255.255.192
> >   interface Serial1 ip unnumbered Ethernet0
> >
> >   router igrp 10 network 171.68.0.0
> >
> >
> > >Hi fellows
> > >could anybody explain to me what "ip unnumbered" command is,
> and how it is
> > >used?
> > >thanks in advance.
> >
> > 
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RE: Passed CCNA 2.0

[Sim, CT (Chee Tong)]

Hi..  When is the CCNA 1.0 expired?  What is the Passing mark of CCNA 1.0?
820 as well?  What is the difference between CCNA 1.0 and CCNA 2.0?   I
bought the Sybex CCNA 1.0 (407)book, can I use it to prepare for CCNA 2.0.
how many question for CCNA 1.0 and 2.0?  How long is the test?

Pls guide me.  Thank you


Chee Tong


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Subject: Passed CCNA 2.0


I've just taken and passed my first certification test today. I was quite
hesitant because I selected the CCNA 2.0 test. I did ok on the test. I
received a score of 870/1000. Passing was set at 820. Thanks to the group...


-Philip


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Re: CCNA and Subnetting Question

[Viet Tran]

Good afternoon,

>2) If they don't say differently in the question that
you read very
>carefully,  then the assumption is that you cannot
use the "zero
>subnets."

I am in my last week rounding up all I have learned
the past 4 months, and will take CCNA 2.0 exam next
week.

If CCNA 640-507 Certification Guide of Odom printed by
Cisco Press is one of CCNA exam official resources
from Cisco, then the assumption is opposite.  Odom
says clearly in chapter material and review questions
the number of subnets is "2 exp n".  Period, no
further explicit comment is needed.  It seems to me
that subnet-zero is implied in CCNA 2 curriculum.  Of
course, there is also question such as given this
"subnet-zero" subnet value, which command is needed to
make the subnet valid.

What would you think, Cisco gurus?

Regards,
Victor Tran.
Programmer Analyst III
Santa Clara County ISD.

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Re: SNA device types

[Jay Hennigan]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, David C Prall wrote:

> > >PU type 1 were really stupid terminals.  Reaching back in my memory
> > >archives, I think it was the 3176 that was an SNA-attached Selectric
> > >typewriter. Whatever the number, there was one.  Frightening...a fair
> > >number of people on the list probably haven't ever seen a Selectric
> > >typewriter.
> > >
> > Never seen a Selectric typewriter??? I actually own one...
> >
> > [=`)
> >
> Selectric, that is a real fancy machine. I still attempt to use my Old
> Remington No. 10 at least once a month. My No. 7 is getting old and the keys
> just aren't like they used to be, after all it is a 103 year old typewriter.

What's a typewriter?  Kind of like a printer with a keyboard attached?

;-)

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RE: PAT vs NAT

[rbussard]

I am confused, I generally set up the NAT pool separate from my IP's that I
will statically map to my inside hosts.  Are you saying that I can use an IP
address from my NAT range for this?  And, please ellaborate on mapping hosts
using the PATed address on a cisco router. How could you statically map more
than one internal host using a PAT address?

-Original Message-
From: Kent Hundley
To: Duncan Maccubbin; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/6/00 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: PAT vs NAT

The PAT implementation on the PIX does not currently support the ability
to include port information in its static mappings.  You need an
additional IP address for every host you want to be globally
accessible.  For example, you couldn't reserve port 80 for an internal
web server to be reachable via the PATed address.  (you can do this on a
cisco router)

If you have a requirement for globally accessible servers, this would be
a situation where you would need NAT instead of PAT on the PIX.


HTH,
Kent

Duncan Maccubbin wrote:
> 
>   I'm wondering what NAT gives me over PAT. On my PIX I believe it can
do
> 65,000 translations on PAT. If I have <100 users behind it what is the
> advantage of using NAT?
> 
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Re: service module for 2612

[Brad Ellis]

pay me, I'll do it for you
Beckman, Paul"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Beckman, Paul
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 4:44 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: service module for 2612
>
> Can anyone provide me for a link that would describe setting up a T1
service
> module in a 2612?
> I am connecting it to a 3600, but I need to set the WIC in the 2600 for a
> 128K circuit.
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>
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Re: Cisco Secure !!!!!

[Brad Ellis]

no, you need to buy it
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Hi all..

can any one tell me about cisco secure  i have heard about it, that it
is shareversion .can u pleasse tell me the url which points to that
location

thanks in adv.



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Re: Recommended Website for CCIE study?

[Joe Martin]

www.certificationzone.com

JOE
CCIE 5917


"Doug Laing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Does anyone have a recommended website that will help with the studies
> for the CCIE certification?  NetworkStudyGuides.Com has been great for
> CCNA and CCNP, but I have not looked at the CCIE portion of this site
> yet.
>
> Thanks!
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Passed CCNA 2.0

[Paco Rivera]

I've just taken and passed my first certification test today. I was quite
hesitant because I selected the CCNA 2.0 test. I did ok on the test. I
received a score of 870/1000. Passing was set at 820. Thanks to the group...


-Philip


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New BCMSN test

[Ray Barker]

Does anyone know if ATM is on the new BCMSN test.  I took the BCMSN course
but ATM was only listed in the appendix of the course manual.  I think this
is a core technology to cover, but I don't know why they didn't cover it in
class.  Since the objectives are not available any insight into this matter
is appreciated.

Thanks,
Ray Barker, CCNA


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Re: TACACS+

[Brad Ellis]

look on cisco's website
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Hi all
can any one out there give me info on TACAS+ .is ti free software.if
yes please give url which points to that location.

thanks in adv





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Re: SNA device types

[David C Prall]

> >PU type 1 were really stupid terminals.  Reaching back in my memory
> >archives, I think it was the 3176 that was an SNA-attached Selectric
> >typewriter. Whatever the number, there was one.  Frightening...a fair
> >number of people on the list probably haven't ever seen a Selectric
> >typewriter.
> >
> Never seen a Selectric typewriter??? I actually own one...
>
> [=`)
>
Selectric, that is a real fancy machine. I still attempt to use my Old
Remington No. 10 at least once a month. My No. 7 is getting old and the keys
just aren't like they used to be, after all it is a 103 year old typewriter.

David C Prall, CCDP CCNP MCSE MCNE
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OSPF vs EIGRP - WAS: EIGRP contiguous AS

[Chuck Larrieu]

EIGRP = All Cisco environment. Routing things other than IP. Super distance
vector protocol, relatively easy to configure and get going

OSPF = open, so works in mixed vendor environment. IP only. Demands
discipline and structure in the design, but in a small environment can be
relatively easy to configure once one understands certain fundamentals.

OSPF cost = 100,000.000 / bandwidth  lower cost = shorter path ( in
general )
EIGRP metric more complex and less comprehensible ( to us mere mortals :-> )
In my mind this is less relevant. I don't think various path metrics are at
the top of any list when choosing routing protocols.

Why use one over the other? Two big factors in my mind are mixed vendor
versus all Cisco environment and IP only versus multiple protocols. Third on
the list is the design aspect. OSPF requires a certain structure. EIGRP
allows one to be less structured. This is not necessarily good, by the way.

Just one opinion.

Chuck

-Original Message-
From:   Niraj Palikhey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, June 06, 2000 2:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: EIGRP contiguous AS

Hi,
I know that this question of mine is not related to this post but since you
all are talking about EIGRP and seem to know the subject matter, I would
like to ask abou the differencs b/w EIGRP and OSPF? What are the  major
differences b/w EIGRP and OSPF aside from the fact that EIGRP is Cisco's
proprietary protocal and OSPF is open?
Why would one use EIGRP over OSPF and vice-versa?
I know that EIGRP uses bandwidth as it's metrics and OSPF uses cost but
which one is a better metric?
Please advise.
Thank you.
Kind regards,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Cisco Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Kenny Sallee"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:50:06 -0700
>
>Excellent!
>
>-Original Message-
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Kenny Sallee
>Sent:  Monday, June 05, 2000 1:49 PM
>To:Gerwin Boschloo; 'Luong, David'; 'Robert Padjen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   Re: EIGRP contiguous AS
>
>Sure it will work -- if you redistribute. This is where you will possible
>see routing loops.
>
>  You can also create a tunnel interface on both EIGRP routers and share
>EIGRP info that way.  This way they will both look like they are directly
>connected.  Here's a possible config for the tunnel:
>
>  (e0) r1(s0) -(s0) r2(s1) -(s0)r3(e0)
>
>r1 and r3 e0 interfaces are in the 172.16.0.0 address space
>All serial interfaces are in the 192.168.0.0 address space
>r1 and r3 are running eigrp
>r2 is running igrp with someone else
>
>r1:
>int e0
>ip address 172.16.2.1 255.255.255.0
>
>int tunnel 0
>ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
>tunnel source 
>tunnel destination 
>
>
>router eigrp 100
>network 172.16.0.0
>no auto
>
>r3:
>int tunnel 0
>ip address 172.16.1.2 255.255.255.0
>tunnel source 
>tunnel destination 
>
>router eigrp 100
>network 172.16.0.0
>no auto
>
>
>Kenny
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Gerwin Boschloo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Luong, David'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Robert Padjen'"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:16 PM
>Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
>
>
> > EIGRP and IGRP are both Interior Gateway Protocols that are used inside
>a
> > AS. Therefore, when you want to connect different AS'es, you need an
> > Exterior Gateway Protocol like BGP. Within BGP you are routing to
>different
> > AS'es therefore the AS'es should be unique.
> >
> > Therefore: EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 50     EIGRP AS 1 will not
>work.
> >
> > Gerwin
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Luong, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:14 AM
> > To: 'Robert Padjen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> >
> > If I remember correct, AS numbers do not have to be contiguous unless if
>you
> > want automatic redistributing between EIGRP and IGRP.  If you have
>different
> > AS across boundaries then you will need to have to manually
>redistribute..
>.
> >
> > My $0.02...
> >
> > David Luong, CCNA,Network+,A+,i-Net+
> > Telecommunications Analyst
> > Insurance Corporation of B.C.
> > Vancouver, B.C CANADA
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Padjen [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  ]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 3:18 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> > I have an interesting question for the group, although
> > it is not directly related to any of the current
> > exams.
> >
> > Does an EIGRP AS have to be contiguous or can it be on
> > two sides of an IGRP 'AS'. I note that the use of the
> > term AS is a mis-nomer for both protocols, but...
> >
> > For example, does:
> >
> > EIGRP AS 1

Re: port-forwarding

[Nigel Taylor]

Adam,
   Very 
simple.  I do this on my Linux/firewall box now.  I've also got 1 
static IP.. and I use ipfwadm to do this for me.. I know this runs on 
freesbie(Linux Humor) too. If you have any question on setup email me 
off-line and I can send you copies of my firewall config file.  


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Adam Hickey 
  
  To: Cisco Study Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 7:57 
PM
  Subject: port-forwarding
  
  I have an issue that I have been mulling over for 
  a while and have arrived at no conclusions. I was wondering if anyone here 
  might be able to help. 
   
  I have a 2611 routing 3 computers to a DSL 
  connection. The router is running NAT since I was only allocated 1 static IP. 
  All internal systems are set to 192.168.X.X class IP's. Is there any was 
  possible to set up any sort of port-forwarding that would, for 
  example, take any external ssh request (port 22) to my static IP and 
  forward it to my internal FreeBSD box?
   
  Thanks
  Adam Hickey
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

Re: Access Server

[Brad Ellis]

buy a modem
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hi all .

i want to install access server on 2600 router for remote user dial in thru
pstn...can any one tell me more about it

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Re: Quick config for SNMP on 3548 for MTRG

[David]

interface byte counters should be part of the standard SNMP MIB, and not
require any special SNMP setup.  Have you tried just running the config
maker script against the switch?



Dave Santeramo wrote:
> 
> Just wondering if someone can shoot me a quick SNMP setup so that MRTG
> can track usage of a switch.
> 
> thanks
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Re: HSRP with backup router

[E. Carolina Arias S.]

I've got something "similar" working. My routing protocol is eigrp, R2 is an
access-server receiving back-up calls (not isdn for me), R4 is the one dialing.
I placed floating static routes on R4 and redistribute them, so that when R1-R3
link goes down and R3 doesn't see routes from R1, it still has routes through
R4 (the floating static routes) and sends traffic to it. R4 then will dial. The
only issue here is to choose the admin distance in the floating.

In this network, I also have BGP redistributed into eigrp so that I chose
the floating routes with 250 distance to make is greater that 170 of my
redistributed routes.

If you need more help, contact me off-line


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> Hello,
>
> I've got a config question on HSRP with a backup Wan Link. This is my
> design :
>
>   LAN 1
> 
>   |  |
>  _   _
>  |   R1  |   |  R2   |
>  -   
>  | |
>  Leased Line ISDN Line
>   |  |
>  _   _
>  |   R3   |   |  R4   |
>  -   
>   |  |
> 
>
>   LAN 2
>
> In detail, I want to have the R2-ISDN Line-R4 link backup of the R1-Leased
> Line-R3 link.
>
> But reading the HSRP cisco documentation it seems to me that HSRP could
> just backup the LAN interface. So in my case R2-eth will backup R1-eth and
> R3-eth will backup R4-eth. But How R3 could learn that R1 is down ?
>
> So could someone help me building such config ? (perhaps using some routing
> protocol ? or static routing).
>
> Thanks for your help.
> Christophe.
>
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Re: Need Help!

[E. Carolina Arias S.]

What kind of modem are you using? Most of the times, it is the issue here.
However, when you place the "backup int asy 1" command, it drops the dtr signal
and goes into standby mode. When the main link  is down, there is interesting
traffic and the backup condition (load or time) ocurrs, the router will raise dtr
signal and all the ddr process will be triggered.

Remember your modem is config. to dial on dtr raise.

One suggestion, if you already have it working as ddr, just add the backup cmds.
on the main int.

Hope this helps,

Cool Guy wrote:

> Dear Fellows!
>
> I need a help. I'm working on 2503 Router and I have to configure it for
> DDR. Since it doesn't have any async port i had to configure the auxillary
> port to use as async and attache it with the modem. Can anyone of you guide me
> to configure that auxilary port for DDR i.e.  to configure it as async one. I
> have already configured DDR on the async port but having problem in connecting
> my modem with the auxilary port as the TR signal is not lit on the modem.
> Please help me in configuring the auxilary port.
>
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RE: port-forwarding

[Nemo]

ip nat inside source static 
tcp 192.168.x.x 22 assigned_ip 22 extendable

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adam HickeySent: 
  Tuesday, June 06, 2000 2:57 PMTo: Cisco Study 
  GroupSubject: port-forwarding
  I have an issue that I have been mulling over for 
  a while and have arrived at no conclusions. I was wondering if anyone here 
  might be able to help. 
   
  I have a 2611 routing 3 computers to a DSL 
  connection. The router is running NAT since I was only allocated 1 static IP. 
  All internal systems are set to 192.168.X.X class IP's. Is there any was 
  possible to set up any sort of port-forwarding that would, for 
  example, take any external ssh request (port 22) to my static IP and 
  forward it to my internal FreeBSD box?
   
  Thanks
  Adam Hickey
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Re: To the experts who have been in the game a while - Question???

[John Neiberger]

I just started in this field a year and a half ago, with almost zero
networking knowledge, so I'll let you know how I went about it.

Initially, I started reading two different books:  Network Essentials for
Dummies, and the LAN Times Guide to Wide Area Networking.  Those REALLY
helped familiarize me with the types of protocols I'd be working with.  I
didn't really understand much about them yet, but I was just that much
closer.  Then I purchased Introduction to Cisco Router Configuration from
Ciscopress, along with the Syngress CCNA study guide and the Sybex CCNA
study guide.

By the time I finished reading all of these, I had a much clearer picture of
WAN and LAN networking.  Sure, most of it was Cisco specific, but my goal
from the beginning was to learn and understand the topic, not just know
enough to get by.  Some people study with the sole intention of being
certified.  That was not my intention, although getting certified was a
personal goal.  My main desire was just to learn how to do the job well and
I studied anything that helped me along that route.

I now have the CCNA and CCDA certs and am working on the CCNP and CCDP. 
I'll stick with cisco certs for now due to limited time, but I study
anything that helps me understand the topic better whether it's
cisco-specific or not.  There is an amazing amount of educational
information on the web, on www.cisco.com as well as others.  If you like to
read, you'll never run out of good material!  Your education is as diverse
as you make it.

Now reading:  BGP4 - Interdomain Routing in the Internet  (Awesome book, and
non-cisco-specific)

On deck on the bookshelf:  Routing TCP/IP  (okay, I already started it. 
it's too good to leave on the shelf )

>  If you were a teacher what is the first thing you would have your student
study in order to excel in the field, a vet networker said to me that a good
networker does not look at things through Cisco eyes because it leaves you
close minded, he said yes learn Cisco but have a fundemental generic
understanding of networking in general, things such as cabeling, signaling,
FDDI, Token Ring, Ethernet because then when you move on to WAN you will
appreiciate better what layer 1 is doing.  
>  
>  The reason I ask is because I am not in a rush to get certified, if I am
going to do this I am going to do it right, therefore I ask the TRUE vets
their suggestions on where to begin building a foundation
>  
>  Thanks in advance
>  
>  
>  Stephen 
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Re: 6506 Vlan and layer 3 switching question

[Michael Rasmussen]

When you use the MSFC mls rp is automatically configured to the MSFC.  The
only reason that you would need
to enable it is you had disabled it.  Check out this link, watch the wrap.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/ios127xe/config/
mls.htm
or
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sw_5_3/msfc/mls.
htm

- Original Message -
From: "Kent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: 6506 Vlan and layer 3 switching question


> I understood, you have to configure mls rp for the
> mulitlayer swithing to work, right? why you do not
> need mls rp when using MSFC? Is that because the RSM
> is on board, it automatically does the multilayer
> swithing to the MSFC card?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kent
> --- Michael Rasmussen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You shouldn't have to do anything else to route
> > between just those two VLANs.  Also just a side
> > note.  The mls rp ip command is not necessary since
> > you are using the MSFC.
> >   ""Josh Youngman"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote in message
> >
> 002801bfcf35$c2e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:002801bfcf35$c2e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >   i have a 6506 with a 48prt 10/100 blade i wish to
> > configure 6 ports on one subnet (vlan2) and the rest
> > on another (Vlan1) and use the supervisor to route
> > between the two vlans.  does anyone have any sample
> > configs on how to do this.  so far i have
> >   created the two vlans and assigned the ports.  i
> > then did a session 15:
> >   !
> >   router rip
> >   network 10.0.0.0
> >   !
> >   Interface vlan1
> >   set ip address 10.0.8.21 255.255.252.0
> >   mls rp ip
> >   !
> >   interface vlan2
> >   set ip add   10.0.12.21 255.255.252.0
> >   mls rp ip
> >   !
> >   !
> >
> >   what else do i need here to route between the two
> > vlans?
> >
> >   thanks for any help.
> >
>
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Re: 6506 Vlan and layer 3 switching question

[Kent]

You are right, forgot those are default commands.

Thanks

Kent
--- Michael Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When you use the MSFC mls rp is automatically
> configured to the MSFC.  The
> only reason that you would need
> to enable it is you had disabled it.  Check out this
> link, watch the wrap.
> 
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/ios127xe/config/
> mls.htm
> or
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sw_5_3/msfc/mls.
> htm
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael Rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: 6506 Vlan and layer 3 switching
> question
> 
> 
> > I understood, you have to configure mls rp for the
> > mulitlayer swithing to work, right? why you do not
> > need mls rp when using MSFC? Is that because the
> RSM
> > is on board, it automatically does the multilayer
> > swithing to the MSFC card?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kent
> > --- Michael Rasmussen  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > You shouldn't have to do anything else to route
> > > between just those two VLANs.  Also just a side
> > > note.  The mls rp ip command is not necessary
> since
> > > you are using the MSFC.
> > >   ""Josh Youngman""
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote in message
> > >
> >
>
002801bfcf35$c2e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:002801bfcf35$c2e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >   i have a 6506 with a 48prt 10/100 blade i wish
> to
> > > configure 6 ports on one subnet (vlan2) and the
> rest
> > > on another (Vlan1) and use the supervisor to
> route
> > > between the two vlans.  does anyone have any
> sample
> > > configs on how to do this.  so far i have
> > >   created the two vlans and assigned the ports. 
> i
> > > then did a session 15:
> > >   !
> > >   router rip
> > >   network 10.0.0.0
> > >   !
> > >   Interface vlan1
> > >   set ip address 10.0.8.21 255.255.252.0
> > >   mls rp ip
> > >   !
> > >   interface vlan2
> > >   set ip add   10.0.12.21 255.255.252.0
> > >   mls rp ip
> > >   !
> > >   !
> > >
> > >   what else do i need here to route between the
> two
> > > vlans?
> > >
> > >   thanks for any help.
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: can't get my console ..

[Atif Awan]

check for flow control settings .. i once encountered the same problem and
the flow control set by the client was hardware. it should be none

Regards
Atif Awan

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>Please check that your console cable is connected to the console port, not
>the AUX.
>
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Re: Morning]

[Kenny Sallee]

With a partial mesh and -all subinterfaces, you should use splithorizon and
is enabled by default.  The router treats each subinterface and a separate
logical interface.  Therefore, you should leave split-h at it's default
here.  If you are using all physical interfaces - in the same subnet, then
you should disable split-h.  It's actually spelled out very well in Caslow's
book of when you should and shouldn't disable split-H.

Kenny



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Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: [Fwd: Morning]


> can someone help out here please? THANKS!
> subject:
>Morning
>Date:
>Tue, 06 Jun 2000 07:50:00 -0500
>   From:
>Scott Livinston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Helmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is reference to Mr. David Wosefer's white paper about Frame Relay..
>
> David,
>
> We are currently running a small F.R. network over here and something
> you wrote contradicted what we currently have in operation..  Currently
> we have a hub and spoke topology, 3 spokes to be exact... we are an IP,
> partial meshed network running subinterfaces and EIGRP.. You mentioned
> in your paper that you need to turn off ip split-horizon on the
> subinterfaces if the spokes are to know about the other spokes
> networks.. Well in our case we don't have ip split horizons turned off
> and the spokes know about all other spokes... How could this be? I had
> my lead engineer look @ this and we both cant figure out this
> discrepancy between what you published and what we are currently running
>
> over here... If you get some time could you please show me where i might
>
> be lost? Thanks for your help!
>
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consultants store on awl.com

[John Deatherage]

The website for the consultants program/cisco press 
seems to be down, instead of just under-reconstruction.  Does anyone have 
the toll-free number to order books?

Re: Passed CIT and now a CCNP

[Michael L. Williams]

Actually, you mentioned something I was wondering about

I had heard (or read) something about Cisco introducing an exam (lab or
written I don't know) that would be the equivalent of CCIE on the design
side.  You mention a CCDE?  Is that it?  If so, where could I find more
information about that?

TIA,

Mike W.

Phil Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Congrats George on your CCNP.
>
> Concerning the CCDP qualification. It is becoming more
> and more recognised (at least in the U.K.)
>
> A problem that I heard about that occurred in London
> was with CCIE's providing the Design requirements and
> obviously leading the projects. However, when these
> have gone wrong (for whatever reason) the companies
> have inevitably complained to Cisco and said "But you
> said these guys are the best in the business ?"
>
> Anyways, cisco wriggled free of it by stating the
> obvious that the CCIE cert is a support cert NOT a
> design cert. Hence, CCDA, CCDP, CCDE program.
>
> I'm looking forward to doing it myself once I get
> through CIT.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil.
>
> --- George Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I passed
> CIT 4.0 today with a score of 834.  It is
> > my last test for
> > CCNP.  I finished in about 90 minutes and had about
> > 15 minutes to
> > review.  The most difficult part of CIT, for me, is
> > the ambiguity of the
> > questions.  Another thing is that you have to guess
> > what Cisco wants you
> > to answer.  Without knowing how the score is
> > calculated based on the
> > number of right/wrong answers, I had no idea if I
> > passed or failed just
> > before I saw the "Congratulation".  Overall, my test
> > was in line with
> > previous posts regarding CIT.
> >
> > Here is my road to CCNP:
> >
> > ACRC: 12/22/99
> > CMTD: 2/7/00
> > CLSC: 5/1/00
> > CIT: 6/5/
> >
> > I would like to take this opportunity to thank every
> > one in this group,
> > especially those who have answered my questions and
> > or communicated with
> > me directly.  Knowing that many people are working
> > towards CCNA, CCDA,
> > CCNP, CCDP, and CCIE has been a good motivation
> > factor for me.  Thank
> > you all.
> >
> > I don't know if I want to get CCDA and CCDP before I
> > go for CCIE.
> > I like to hear your opinions about the value of CCDA
> > and CCDP.  How much
> > can you learn by studying for CCDA and CCDP?  How
> > are they recognized in
> > the networking community?  Your opinions are greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
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Studygroup in North New Jersey

[ABDUL RAZZAQ]

Does anyone know of a Cisco Study group in North or Central New Jersey.  I
would like to get one started if there is not one. I
would love to get some study time in and may be setup a couple of labs with
some local folks.

Let me know if anyone is interested.

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port-forwarding

[Adam Hickey]

I have an issue that I have been mulling over for a 
while and have arrived at no conclusions. I was wondering if anyone here might 
be able to help. 
 
I have a 2611 routing 3 computers to a DSL 
connection. The router is running NAT since I was only allocated 1 static IP. 
All internal systems are set to 192.168.X.X class IP's. Is there any was 
possible to set up any sort of port-forwarding that would, for 
example, take any external ssh request (port 22) to my static IP and 
forward it to my internal FreeBSD box?
 
Thanks
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re:6506 vlan and layer 3 switching question

[David Vigna]

I just set this up on a 6506 with two MSFCs running HSRP.

MLS is on by default at the switch layer but you still need to define it for
each router interface.

See the Cisco documentation for this at the following URL:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sw_5_4/msfc/mls.
htm#xtocid2022719

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Quick config for SNMP on 3548 for MTRG

[Dave Santeramo]

Just wondering if someone can shoot me a quick SNMP setup so that MRTG
can track usage of a switch.

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Re: To the experts who have been in the game a while - Question???

[Phil Barker]

Stephen,

Maybe a first degree with a major in networking or a
Masters in networking would give you a good
foundation.
I did an MSc in networking before starting out in the
field, it was only 1 year and so didn't cost too much.
It wasn't so much that their networking was Cisco or
leading edge that mattered, they taught fundamental
theory from a ISO OSI model perspective which I have
been able to apply to all protocol suite models. PS
don't wanna get into the TCP/IP OSI debate which came
first blah, blah, blah ... but suffice to say that
from a theoretical perspective you can learn alot from
the OSI model and apply that knowledge to proprietory
protocol suites and TCP/IP.
But above all from an academic perspective the course
taught how to research, which I think is probably
underated by many engineers.

PS also got to do strange stuff like comparisons of
throughput for CSMA/CD versus CSMA/CA (Detection
versus Avoidance). Bit weird but 'there U go'

Shops are shutting. Gotta hit Sainsburies.

Good Luck.

Phil.


 
--- "Stephen.B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you
were a teacher what is the first thing you
> would have your student study in order to excel in
> the field, a vet networker said to me that a good
> networker does not look at things through Cisco eyes
> because it leaves you close minded, he said yes
> learn Cisco but have a fundemental generic
> understanding of networking in general, things such
> as cabeling, signaling, FDDI, Token Ring, Ethernet
> because then when you move on to WAN you will
> appreiciate better what layer 1 is doing.  
> 
> The reason I ask is because I am not in a rush to
> get certified, if I am going to do this I am going
> to do it right, therefore I ask the TRUE vets their
> suggestions on where to begin building a foundation
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
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FW: service module for 2612

[Beckman, Paul]

 -Original Message-
From:   Beckman, Paul  
Sent:   Tuesday, June 06, 2000 4:44 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject:service module for 2612

Can anyone provide me for a link that would describe setting up a T1 service
module in a 2612?
I am connecting it to a 3600, but I need to set the WIC in the 2600 for a
128K circuit.
Any assistance would be appreciated.


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RE: CCNA and subnetting questions

[Niraj Palikhey]

I forget the use of the ip subnet zero command? Can you clarify?
Thanks.

>From: "Cate, Constance" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Cate, Constance" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Seth Wilson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>"'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: CCNA and subnetting questions
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:03:39 -0700
>
>1) Read the question, they will tell you what they want you to know; they
>just don't say it very clearly sometimes. Just like the real world where 
>you
>have to go plowing through the s&*^ to get to the info you need.
>2) If they don't say differently in the question that you read very
>carefully,  then the assumption is that you cannot use the "zero
>subnets."
>
>When you are preparing for a test remember that you are expected to
>understand the default behavior of the IOS version you are being tested on.
>If the question does not specify a different configuration from the 
>default,
>then assume the default. Sometimes the information is implied by some
>configuration detail and not directly stated, so. think through all the
>implications of the information you are given.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Seth Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 6:40 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: CCNA and subnetting questions
>
>
>Hello everybody,
>
>Well, I'm taking a stab at the CCNA this Monday.  I'm wondering if, for the
>purposes of the exam, that when you get subnetting questions whether you're
>supposed to assume that subnet-zero has been enabled or not.  I just
>recently completed my MCSE, and with all the Microsoft tests the zero
>subnets cannot be used.  But I've seen it both ways in studying for the
>CCNA.  Thanks in advance.
>
>~Seth~
>
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Re: CCNP= Just some tests

[bandrews]

Stuart, what is "real" knowledge??? By that do you mean real world
knowledge?  I have been doing this for 6 years now in all parts of the world
and I have found that experienced people have knowledge limited to their
experience.  Certified people have a wide range of knowledge but lack the
experience to step up and execute.  Look the bottom line is can you get the
system up if it failsperiod.  This debate over paper or experience is
unimportant..I wouldn't hire a lawyer if I were in trouble  without a degree
nor one just out of school.  Employers are looking for the whole package if
you have experience get certified, and if you have certs get some
experience, volunteer if you have to.  But for God sake stop worry about
which is better they both are good to have, technology waits for no one so
keep studying.  Peace.

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> That's general knowledge! Yes, you do have a right to opinion though...
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> > tests. I agree someone with experience will make a MUCH better employee
> but
> > I think we all realize that anyone who is willing to study and use some
> > practice tests and maybe a Simulator product will certainly be able to
> pass
> > all the exams to be a CCNP. This being said almost all certs are just
> > guidelines and do not truly show real knowledge. I certainly am not
> worried
> > about the CCNA or CCNP being devalued(it may even happen to the CCIE in
> > time) because as long as one has the requisite experience and attitude
> they
> > will always find work. I actually find that as more and more "certified"
> > people come into the market who really dont know their job it increases
my
> > job security as companies look more closely at prospective employee's
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e: Loopback - why needed ?

[cisco cabanaboy]

if you did no keepalives on an ethernet it would do
the same thing (despite caveats) would it not?

also, is there any scenario that you would have /
advertise a route to loop0?
XX

A loopback interface will only go down if the entire
router goes down.
Loopback interfaces should be used for OSPF, BGP, and
DLSw+. For instance,
when a loopback interface is used on a router using
OSPF, the highest
number IP address on a loopback interface is used as
the Router ID.  If
the Router ID was on a physical interface and that
interface failed, the
OSPF process could experience a Router ID change.  If
the router has a new
Router ID, the other routers will treat it as a new
and different router.
This result would be that all OSPF routers affected
would have inaccurate
information in their topological database.

Doug

Hans Schimek wrote:

> Hi !
>
> in the last few sample configurations i came across
the term LOOPBACK.
> what is this device needed for and why do i have to
specify this.
> concerning FRAME RELAY or ISDN for example.
>
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MIBs

[Yolande Richard]

Hi all,
 
Does anybody know how I could get a Memory 
Utilization calculation from a Catalyst 5000 switch running Supervisor Engine 
software version 3.1(1)?
 
Thanks
Yolande

Re: 6506 Vlan and layer 3 switching question

[Kent]

I understood, you have to configure mls rp for the
mulitlayer swithing to work, right? why you do not
need mls rp when using MSFC? Is that because the RSM
is on board, it automatically does the multilayer
swithing to the MSFC card?

Thanks

Kent
--- Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> You shouldn't have to do anything else to route
> between just those two VLANs.  Also just a side
> note.  The mls rp ip command is not necessary since
> you are using the MSFC.
>   ""Josh Youngman"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>   i have a 6506 with a 48prt 10/100 blade i wish to
> configure 6 ports on one subnet (vlan2) and the rest
> on another (Vlan1) and use the supervisor to route
> between the two vlans.  does anyone have any sample
> configs on how to do this.  so far i have
>   created the two vlans and assigned the ports.  i
> then did a session 15:
>   !
>   router rip
>   network 10.0.0.0
>   !
>   Interface vlan1
>   set ip address 10.0.8.21 255.255.252.0
>   mls rp ip
>   !
>   interface vlan2
>   set ip add   10.0.12.21 255.255.252.0
>   mls rp ip
>   !
>   !
>
>   what else do i need here to route between the two
> vlans?
>
>   thanks for any help.   
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Re: Good BGP book?

[John Neiberger]

I'm currently reading BGP4 - Interdomain Routing in the Internet, and I must
say it's quite good for a BGP newbie like me.  It's very short, but the
author uses the space very wisely.  His explanations are easy to understand
and he uses great illustrations and examples.  After that book, I'd have to
recommend Internet Routing Architectures by Basaam Halabi.  I think there's
a new version of that coming out soon, so wait a few weeks to get the most
recent release.

>  Hello all,
>   Can someone please recommend a good BGP book? 
>  
>  Thanks in advance.
>  
>  
>  Joe Quezada
>  Electronic Data Systems
>  48 Walter Jones Blvd.
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Re: PAT vs NAT

[Howard C. Berkowitz]

>  I'm wondering what NAT gives me over PAT. On my PIX I believe it 
>can do 65,000 translations on PAT. If I have <100 users behind it 
>what is the advantage of using NAT?
>
>Duncan

First, you are slightly high on the architectural limit of the number 
of port translations that are possible on one IP address.  The basic 
limit is the 16-bit port number field, with a maximum of 65535.  2K 
of that space, however, is reserved for well-known and registered 
ports.

Second, for any NAT-family mechanism, you may have higher-layer 
protocol confusions with reverse DNS, etc., if multiple application 
services are associated with the same address. I'm no HTTP expert, 
but I understand that HTTP 1.0 has definite problems here.  Might be 
less of an issue if you only have outgoing clients.

Third, especially if you have UDP-based applications, some ports may 
not be available periodically because the protocol driver holds them 
inactive until a timer expires.  For UDP, this imposes 
pseudo-sessions to avoid multiple processes using the same 
address/port. If you dig into TCP, however, you will find the 
TCP-WAIT timer also affects availability of ports.

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RE: CID Exam?

[Feliz, Edgar]

Tara,

The question you ask would violate the NDA. I can tell you that you should
prepare for everything. If you have taken the CID course the exam covers all
the subjects on that.

EF

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CID Exam?


Has anyone taken the CID exam recently?  I was wondering if there were any 
case study questions.  Some have told me that there are, some have told me 
that there are not.  Also, I've been getting mixed information about SNA on 
the exam.  One person said he had zero questions about SNA.  Can someone 
please tell me what I can expect in regards to case studies and SNA?

Thank you,
Tara Porter

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Cisco Study Group in St. Louis

[Vernon]

Does anyone know of a Cisco Study group in the St. Louis Area.  I would like
to get one started if there is not one. I will be taking the CCNA exam, but
would love to get some study time in and mabey setup a couple of labs with
some local folks.

Let me know if anyone is interested.

Vernon Ross
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HSRP with backup router

[Christophe_Bianco]

Hello,

I've got a config question on HSRP with a backup Wan Link. This is my
design :

  LAN 1

  |  |
 _   _
 |   R1  |   |  R2   |
 -   
 | |
 Leased Line ISDN Line
  |  |
 _   _
 |   R3   |   |  R4   |
 -   
  |  |


  LAN 2

In detail, I want to have the R2-ISDN Line-R4 link backup of the R1-Leased
Line-R3 link.

But reading the HSRP cisco documentation it seems to me that HSRP could
just backup the LAN interface. So in my case R2-eth will backup R1-eth and
R3-eth will backup R4-eth. But How R3 could learn that R1 is down ?

So could someone help me building such config ? (perhaps using some routing
protocol ? or static routing).

Thanks for your help.
Christophe.


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Good BGP book?

[Joe Quezada]

Hello all,
Can someone please recommend a good BGP book? 

Thanks in advance.


Joe Quezada
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RE: EIGRP contiguous AS

[Niraj Palikhey]

Hi,
I know that this question of mine is not related to this post but since you 
all are talking about EIGRP and seem to know the subject matter, I would 
like to ask abou the differencs b/w EIGRP and OSPF? What are the  major 
differences b/w EIGRP and OSPF aside from the fact that EIGRP is Cisco's 
proprietary protocal and OSPF is open?
Why would one use EIGRP over OSPF and vice-versa?
I know that EIGRP uses bandwidth as it's metrics and OSPF uses cost but 
which one is a better metric?
Please advise.
Thank you.
Kind regards,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Cisco Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Kenny Sallee" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:50:06 -0700
>
>Excellent!
>
>-Original Message-
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Kenny Sallee
>Sent:  Monday, June 05, 2000 1:49 PM
>To:Gerwin Boschloo; 'Luong, David'; 'Robert Padjen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   Re: EIGRP contiguous AS
>
>Sure it will work -- if you redistribute. This is where you will possible
>see routing loops.
>
>  You can also create a tunnel interface on both EIGRP routers and share
>EIGRP info that way.  This way they will both look like they are directly
>connected.  Here's a possible config for the tunnel:
>
>  (e0) r1(s0) -(s0) r2(s1) -(s0)r3(e0)
>
>r1 and r3 e0 interfaces are in the 172.16.0.0 address space
>All serial interfaces are in the 192.168.0.0 address space
>r1 and r3 are running eigrp
>r2 is running igrp with someone else
>
>r1:
>int e0
>ip address 172.16.2.1 255.255.255.0
>
>int tunnel 0
>ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
>tunnel source 
>tunnel destination 
>
>
>router eigrp 100
>network 172.16.0.0
>no auto
>
>r3:
>int tunnel 0
>ip address 172.16.1.2 255.255.255.0
>tunnel source 
>tunnel destination 
>
>router eigrp 100
>network 172.16.0.0
>no auto
>
>
>Kenny
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Gerwin Boschloo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Luong, David'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Robert Padjen'"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:16 PM
>Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
>
>
> > EIGRP and IGRP are both Interior Gateway Protocols that are used inside 
>a
> > AS. Therefore, when you want to connect different AS'es, you need an
> > Exterior Gateway Protocol like BGP. Within BGP you are routing to
>different
> > AS'es therefore the AS'es should be unique.
> >
> > Therefore: EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 50     EIGRP AS 1 will not
>work.
> >
> > Gerwin
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Luong, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:14 AM
> > To: 'Robert Padjen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> >
> > If I remember correct, AS numbers do not have to be contiguous unless if
>you
> > want automatic redistributing between EIGRP and IGRP.  If you have
>different
> > AS across boundaries then you will need to have to manually 
>redistribute..
>.
> >
> > My $0.02...
> >
> > David Luong, CCNA,Network+,A+,i-Net+
> > Telecommunications Analyst
> > Insurance Corporation of B.C.
> > Vancouver, B.C CANADA
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Padjen [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  ]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 3:18 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> > I have an interesting question for the group, although
> > it is not directly related to any of the current
> > exams.
> >
> > Does an EIGRP AS have to be contiguous or can it be on
> > two sides of an IGRP 'AS'. I note that the use of the
> > term AS is a mis-nomer for both protocols, but...
> >
> > For example, does:
> >
> > EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 1      EIGRP AS 1
> >
> > pose a problem?
> >
> > Does:
> >
> > EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 50     EIGRP AS 1
> >
> > My belief is that it could work, but it breaks the
> > concept of an AS and could lead to routing topology
> > table problems. Any takers?
> >
> > (I'll be working with my team in the lab, but thought
> > it was an interesting thought questions.)
> >
> > Nothing but net!
> >
> > =
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Re: To the experts who have been in the game a while - Question???

[Oz]

Would not consider myself an expert..however the vet is kinda right  however
there is not much Cisco leaves out compared to MCSE or CNE  etc..
If the statement was learning the MS or Novell way then the shoes are on the
right feet.
Your choices are to learn the "generic" way  then learn the Cisco way .. ???
My 3 cents says learn the Cisco way and then the "generic' way as then you
can define the difference.
 Mind you not many generic networks left heh and also  many of the generic
versus  Cisco is really on a scholar level ..
(ducking from the whips from Howard B)
And also generally speaking  "cabeling, signaling, FDDI, Token Ring,
Ethernet " none are Cisco specific anyhow ;o)

As you get deeper in the mud you will find that much is based on OSI and
RFC's  etc..
 the Cisco slant comes into play with IOS  hardware  etc  ..
 OK there are couple of Ciscocentric tweaks in the CCNA  deal  .
But again as you get deeper you will be able to sort out the difference..


And to answer the first question the OSI layer then TCP/IP

oz

If you were a teacher what is the first thing you would have your student
study in order to excel in the field, a vet networker said to me that a good
networker does not look at things through Cisco eyes because it leaves you
close minded, he said yes learn Cisco but have a fundemental generic
understanding of networking in general, things such as cabeling, signaling,
FDDI, Token Ring, Ethernet because then when you move on to WAN you will
appreiciate better what layer 1 is doing.

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Cost to the Root Bridge 10^9/Bandwidth ?

[Phil Barker]

Hi,
   Just happened on this studying for CIT.

Looking at how Root bridges calculate their respective
costs using 10^9/Bandwidth.
If the BW = 100Mbit/s then the cost = 10 i.e
10^9/100*10^6 = 10.

Presumably if using a Gigabit link to root then the
cost would be 1.

My question is what will happen when Terrabit comes on
board ? if this answer is < 1. Will the output be in
floating point notation or will it be rounded to the
nearest integer ?

A cost of root of 0 and a cost to root of 0 could be
confusing. 

Can anyone with a lab do a test with an E1/T1 link to
verify the output ? I would myself but i'm 130 miles
away from my lab.

I get E1 = 488.28125 on paper.
and T1 = 647.6684 for T1

Does the output just show as integer or as a float ?

Phil.




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RE: To the experts who have been in the game a while - Question???

[Irwin Lazar]

I'd 
recommend the Dale Carnegie course. 
 
As far 
as technical know-how, IMHO the first step is a solid understanding of 
TCP/IP.
 
Irwin

  -Original Message-From: Stephen.B 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:38 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: To the experts who 
  have been in the game a while - Question???
  If you were a teacher what is the first thing 
  you would have your student study in order to excel in the field, a vet 
  networker said to me that a good networker does not look at things through 
  Cisco eyes because it leaves you close minded, he said yes learn Cisco but 
  have a fundemental generic understanding of networking in general, things such 
  as cabeling, signaling, FDDI, Token Ring, Ethernet because then when you move 
  on to WAN you will appreiciate better what layer 1 is doing.  
  
   
  The reason I ask is because I am not in a rush 
  to get certified, if I am going to do this I am going to do it right, 
  therefore I ask the TRUE vets their suggestions on where to begin building a 
  foundation
   
  Thanks in advance
   
   
  Stephen 
   

Re: SNA device types

[Dale Holmes]

Never seen a Selectric typewriter??? I actually own one...

[=`)

>From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: SNA device types
>Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:17:31 -0400

>...

>PU type 1 were really stupid terminals.  Reaching back in my memory
>archives, I think it was the 3176 that was an SNA-attached Selectric
>typewriter. Whatever the number, there was one.  Frightening...a fair
>number of people on the list probably haven't ever seen a Selectric
>typewriter.
>


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Re: Catalyst 5000 question

[quezada]

if you populate the cat with more than 3 atm cards them you will be
exceeding the bandwithd of the bus.

wich is the
processor speed times the witdh of the bus

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Re: To the experts who have been in the game a while - Question???

[Paulo Roque]

I think you always must start with "pure science" then you can go ahead
with application of that "pure science" in a practical manner: the
Crisco technology or other.
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