RE: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

2002-03-14 Thread Hamdi, Tarig

I don't understand why the moderator for the group allowed this message. If
somebody has a complaint to make, then he can make it without voicing all
the abuse below.
regards
Tarig 



Original Message-
From: Mphekeleli Dhlamini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

I  don't usually  reply or ask on these groupstudy,but I think these is
not acceptable under any circumstances.If people can just  have manners
and morals when involving like the discussion boards.I  just can't what
people will say if I post in my Zulu language  knowing for a fact that
these won't make sense  to most if not all the people who are going to
receive these.Waste of bandwidth..
Can you please go and start your own Chinese/Korean or whatever group
where they'll understand these rubbish you have written here please.

I'm not expecting any replies from the author of these s@$t!
People must keep focus sometimes.Forget your democratic country and
behave like a responsible human being.



 Pc9101  2002-03-13 05:24:42 
Hi all +ACE-

  O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup CCNP group di . Toi
xin
tu
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Va dang
hoc thi BCRAN.
  Chung ta co the trao doi, bat ke trinh do, chi can su nhiet tinh.

  Hy vong co phan hoi cua cac ban
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how difficult is the CCNP beta exams? [7:38210]

2002-03-14 Thread Ki Hyun Kim

ladies and gents,
i'll take a BCMSN beta exam this saturday.
i have two questions.

is it difficult than orginal BCMSN beta exams?
are there no exhibit buttons?

thank u for reading my articles.
god bless u!



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Where is h323 used when configuring IVR for Voice? [7:38211]

2002-03-14 Thread Ruen-Chze Loh

Hi,

From the Cisco web site
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fvvfax_c/vvfivr.htm#xtocid14;



The example showed that aaa authentication login h323
group radius. The h323 is indicated in the command
reference as the list-name. But I could not find the
list-name h323 being used in the configuration
below. Where is the h323 being reference in the
configuration ? When using IVR how the application
knows that the router should use the list-name h323
to authenticate the user ? Thank-you.



TCL IVR for Gateway1 (GW1) Configuration Example
The following output is the result of using the show
running-config command: 

GW1
Router# show running-config 

 
Building configuration...
 
Current configuration:
 
! Last configuration change at 08:39:29 PST Mon Jan 10
2000 by lab
!
version 12.2
service timestamps debug datetime msec
service timestamps log datetime msec
no service password-encryption
!
hostname GW1
!
logging buffered 10 debugging
aaa new-model
aaa authentication login default local group radius
aaa authentication login h323 group radius
aaa authentication login con none
aaa authorization exec h323 group radius
aaa accounting connection h323 start-stop group radius
enable password xxx
!
username lab password 0 lab
!
resource-pool disable
!
clock timezone PST -8
ip subnet-zero
ip host baloo 1.14.124.xxx
ip host dirt 223.255.254.254
ip host rtspserver3 1.14.1xx.2
ip host rtspserver1 1.14.1xx.2
!
mgcp package-capability trunk-package
mgcp default-package trunk-package
isdn switch-type primary-net5
isdn voice-call-failure 0
!
tftp://dirt/hostname/WV/en_new/
call application voice debit_card
tftp://dirt/Router/scripts.new/app_debitcard.tcl 
call application voice debit_card uid-len 6
call application voice debit_card language 1 en
call application voice debit_card language 2 ch
call application voice debit_card set-location ch 0
tftp://dirt/hostname/WV/ch_new/
call application voice debit_card set-location en 0
tftp://dirt/hostname/WV/en_new/
call application voice debit_card_rtsp tftp://dirt/IVR
2.0/scripts.new/app_debitcard.tcl
call application voice debit_card_rtsp uid-len 6
call application voice debit_card_rtsp language 1 en
call application voice debit_card_rtsp language 2 ch
call application voice debit_card_rtsp set-location ch
0 rtsp://rtspserver1:554/
call application voice debit_card_rtsp set-location en
0 rtsp://rtspserver1:554/
 
mta receive maximum-recipients 0
!
controller E1 0
 clock source line primary
 pri-group timeslots 1-31
!
controller E1 1
!
controller E1 2
!
controller E1 3
!
gw-accounting h323
gw-accounting h323 vsa
gw-accounting voip
!
interface Ethernet0
 ip address 1.14.128.35 255.255.255.xxx
 no ip directed-broadcast
 h323-gateway voip interface
 h323-gateway voip id gk1 ipaddr 1.14.128.19 1xxx
 h323-gateway voip h323-id [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 h323-gateway voip tech-prefix 5#
!
interface Serial0:15
 no ip address
 no ip directed-broadcast
 isdn switch-type primary-net5
 isdn incoming-voice modem

 fair-queue 64 256 0
 no cdp enable
!
interface FastEthernet0
 ip address 16.0.0.1 255.255.xxx.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 duplex full
 speed auto
 no cdp enable
!
ip classless
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 1.14.128.33
ip route 1.14.xxx.0 255.xxx.255.xxx 16.0.0.2
ip route 1.14.xxx.16 255.xxx.255.240 1.14.xxx.33
no ip http server
!
radius-server host 1.14.132.2 auth-port 1645 acct-port
1646
radius-server key cisco
radius-server vsa send accounting
radius-server vsa send authentication
!
voice-port 0:D
 cptone DE
!
dial-peer voice 200 voip
 incoming called-number 53
 destination-pattern 34.
 session target ipv4:16.0.0.2
 dtmf-relay h245-alphanumeric
 codec g711ulaw
!
dial-peer voice 102 pots
 application debit_card_rtsp
 incoming called-number 3450072
 shutdown
 destination-pattern 53.
 port 0:D
!
dial-peer voice 202 voip
 shutdown
 destination-pattern 34.
 session protocol sipv2
 session target ipv4:16.0.0.2
 dtmf-relay cisco-rtp
 codec g711ulaw
!
dial-peer voice 101 pots
 application debit_card
 incoming called-number 3450070
 destination-pattern 53.
 port 0:D
!
gateway
!
line con 0
 exec-timeout 0 0
 transport input none
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 password xxx
!
ntp clock-period 17180740
ntp server 1.14.42.23
end
 



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Aironet to Cable Modem [7:38212]

2002-03-14 Thread T B

First off I am not familiar with the aironet line!

I have a cable modem (dynamic ip address) connected to a Aironet 350 AP
(AIR-AP352E2C). I am able to get the aironet dynamic ip assigned to the
ethernet interface (from the cable company dhcp servers). I was able to
assign a static ip to the AP radio interface and connect via my wireless nic
(static ip). But, I cannot access the internet via the cable modem.

My guess is that it is more of a switch then a router. I was hopeful it had
a little bit of routing capabilities. I assume that because the ethernet int
and AP radio int are on different subnets that is the reason I can't talk.
But, again I am not sure and hope someone can help me out!!!


I would like any advice to get this working without any other equipment. I
was hoping to do this without using one of my routers! Also, is there any
way to configure it as a DHCP server? And any config advice would be
helpful!!!


Thanks for any advice you may give me !







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Please advise about ccnp beta exam.. [7:38214]

2002-03-14 Thread hinwoto

Hi all,

I am a CCNA, and pursuing CCNP at the moment.
Could u guys,please give more information about CCNP beta exam, its
differences from the real CCNP exam.

I am considering to take the all in one (BSCN,BCMSN,BCRAN) since my place is
far away from the test place. Please advise about this exam, the toughness,
and really appreciate if ones who took it can share his/her experience.

And thanks to whom participates this groupstudy..
It's really good for sharing information and knowledge.

Thanks and looking forward to your advise Guys,
Hinwoto




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Re: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085]

2002-03-14 Thread Patrick Donlon

Kelly great post and I do appreciate the help, I no think my englesh was
that bad (just kidding), been living in Europe too long obviously. Back to
the problem anyway, I removed the ISL trunk from the etherchannel and it's
all OK now, no errors for the past couple of days. Problem is it's at an
exhibition so it's fairly important it doesn't go down. The reasoning behind
the ISL trunk was an application that couldn't handle an address with any
zeros, so we needed an extra VLAN. The network requirements have a habit of
changing rapidly too so it made sense to implement it at the time.

My skill level? hmm  not sure either, but you're right keep it simple
works best for me too.

cheers Pat


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Kelly Cobean  wrote in message
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 I'll make you a deal...I won't pose design questions in response to your
 fault questions when you can criticize me for trying to help you using
 something other than one big, fragmented run-on sentence.  Worse than my
 unsolicited design suggestions are the inability of most people to form a
 coherent thought in writing to convey their point.  It makes it difficult,
 if not impossible to HELP with the problem at hand when you must focus so
 hard on deciphering the broken sentence that you can't focus on the
 technology.

 Now, I certainly get your point that I'm not sticking strictly to the
 question at hand, but one of the best design philosophies (which
determines
 in part your troubleshooting methodologies) out there is Keep It Simple.
 There is no need to apply a technology if it's not going to be used.  I
 suggest this merely because I don't know you, your skill level, or your
 future plans for this network.  My suggesting that you not use ISL if
there
 are no plans for it in the future was an attempt to save you the
heart-ache
 of chasing down a problem that needn't exist, however educational the
answer
 may be.  I also caveated my statement with unless you are preparing for
 multiple VLAN's down the road, so be as scalable as you want, just don't
 assume that I know your future plans.  I'm merely analyzing the problem in
 front of me.  After all, you did say that you had to get this up very
 quickly.

 Also note that I DID included some other thoughts for you to check on if
 diagnosing the problem to resolution is the path you're on, so my message
 wasn't entirely wasted on babbling about my perceived over-engineering of
 your network.

 As with all lists, responses to questions are take it or leave it.  If
you
 don't like mine that's fine, but maybe someone else on the list was able
to
 benefit from it.  In the future, I'll refrain from any attempts to suggest
 alternatives to problematic implementations.

 Apparently Arrogant,
 Kelly Cobean



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Patrick Donlon
 Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:46 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085]


 I love this group, how's about scalability, new requirements, sorry for
 being sarcastic but it's not about the design, simple as it is, but a
fault

 cheers

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 Kelly Cobean  wrote in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  Based on the fact that you are only using a single VLAN, I would first
  question why you are using using ISL trunking?  Since ISL is used for
  Inter-VLAN routing, it's an unnecessary configuration, unless you are
  preparing for multiple VLAN's down the road.  Have you configured VTP
  appropriately?  Also, I would check for any ARP abnormalities in your
CAM
  and ARP tables.
 
  Kelly Cobean
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  Patrick Donlon
  Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:11 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085]
 
 
  Hi everyone I have a strange problem I'd like to know if anyone can
 explain
  why it happened and how to prevent it happening again. I have two Cat
 5500s
  connected using four 10/100 MB port configured as an etherchannel, it
was
  also configured as an ISL trunk. It's a very simple network with these
two
  switches, a PIX and only VLAN 1 is used.
 
  The problem occurred when clients DNS requests failed. The DNS is an NT
  server which was connected to Switch B, the PIX was connected to Switch
A
  and the default gateway for VLAN 1 was on Switch A. From a PC on Switch
A
  you could ping the NT server and the default gateway and PIX etc, but
the
 NT
  server couldn't ping the default gateway. Moving a PC to Switch B
 replicated
  the problem, I could ping everything else on the network but not the
 default
  gateway. When I checked the switches I could see some errors on the
first
  port of the channel, a few align, fcs and runts, I then noticed the port
 was
  leaving and joining the spanning tree every 30 seconds or so. Removing
the
 

Re: RFC on Private IP Address v.s. RIP/IGRP [7:38190]

2002-03-14 Thread Cebuano

Chuck,
Your non sequitor is minor if it's only one of those nights
My non sequitor is one of those days and nights.
Anyway, the reason i was curios about this was that most of the labs i've
done (or remembered) were done with classless for the 172.16 and 192.168.
Back when i did the RIP/IGRP to study for the CCNA i was using class A
address ranges. I guess it's time to hit the rack.
Thanks.
Elmer

- Original Message -
From: Chuck Larrieu 
To: Cebuano 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: RFC on Private IP Address v.s. RIP/IGRP [7:38190]


 interesting way to put the question.  but..

 172.16.0.0/12 and 192.168.0.0/16 are CIDR notation. any subnets within
those
 ranges would default to the classfull values based upon the first couple
of
 bits. remembering that 0 in the first position is class A, 10 in the first
 two positions indicate class B, and 110 in the first three positions
 indicate class C. RIP and IGRP are classful, and would note the classful
 values.


 - Original Message -
 From: Cebuano 
 Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
 Sent: Wednesday, 13 March, 2002 7:51 PM
 Subject: RFC on Private IP Address v.s. RIP/IGRP [7:38190]


  Ladies and gents,
  If you are all aware of the RFC on Private IP Address allocation, it
  specifies
  that 172.16.0.0 uses /12 and 192.168.0.0 uses /16.
  Now does this mean our old friends RIP and IGRP are aware of this when
 they
  perform the First-Octet Rule to apply the mask for these network
ranges
  accordingly?
 
  Please someone clarify this subtle issue.
  Thanks.
 
  Elmer




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RE: Stacking 3548s [7:38208]

2002-03-14 Thread Kelly Cobean

The max number of Cat3548's in a Cluster is 9.

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Thomas
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:59 AM
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Subject: Stacking 3548s [7:38208]


What's the maximum number of Catalyst 3548s can I stack them together?
Thanks!




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RE: Default Weight in BGP [7:38191]

2002-03-14 Thread Kelly Cobean

Actually the value is from 0 to 65535, but this does bring up a
questionIf weight is used internally on a router to prefer one egress
path over another, and the attribute is never advertised to it's peers, then
why would Cisco say the following about the Weight attribute:

The administrative weight is local to the router. A weight can be a number
from 0 to 65535. Any path that a Cisco router originates will have a default
weight of 32768; other paths have weight 0

I guess I'm confused about this statement.  If it's an internal-only
value, then how would a Cisco router ever use a value of 0?  Are they giving
us information about other vendors products here, since as I understand it,
weight is a Cisco proprietary attribute?

Confused,
Kelly Cobean, CCNP,CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I

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Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:24 AM
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Subject: Re: Default Weight in BGP [7:38191]


Just out of intrest, what does that have to do with BGP weights? BGP weights
are used to define the exit point from a router when you want to perfer one
path over another, cisco's default is 32768 but I think the weight can be
anything up to 4million...




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Re: Where to find Protocol Type Code in Cisco CD ? [7:38213]

2002-03-14 Thread Phil Barker

Try RFC 1700
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1700.html


Phil.

 --- Ruen-Chze Loh  wrote: 
Hi,
 
 I tried searching the Cisco CD for the table of
 Protocol Type Code used in Source Route Bridge
 administrative filter, but could not find any of the
 table. Can someone indicate to me where to find it
 in
 Cisco CD?
 
 What I need is a table for example:
 
 8137-8138   Novell
 80D5IBM SNA Service over Ethernet
 
  Thank-you.
 
 
 
 =
 Thank-you. 
 Regards,
 Paul
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stacking 3548s [7:38208]

2002-03-14 Thread Steven A. Ridder

Keep in mind that 7 is the max number of hops if using STP.  STP dosen't
treat the cluster as one hop.

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RFC 1149 Compliant.


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 The max number of Cat3548's in a Cluster is 9.

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 Thomas
 Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:59 AM
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 Subject: Stacking 3548s [7:38208]


 What's the maximum number of Catalyst 3548s can I stack them together?
 Thanks!




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RE: Stacking 3548s [7:38208]

2002-03-14 Thread Ladrach, Daniel E.

Cisco Switch Clustering
Breakthrough Cisco Switch Clustering technology enables up to 16
interconnected Catalyst 3500 XL, Catalyst 2900 XL, and Catalyst 1900
switches, regardless of geographic proximity, to form a single IP management
domain. Cisco Switch Clustering supports a broad range of standards-based
connectivity options and configurations to deliver levels of performance
that are scalable to meet customer requirements. Switch Cluster connectivity
options for the Catalyst 3500 Series XL include Ethernet, Fast Ethernet,
Fast EtherChannel, low-cost Cisco GigaStack GBIC, Gigabit Ethernet, and
Gigabit EtherChannel connectivity. Because the technology is not limited by
proprietary stacking modules or stacking cables, Cisco Switch Clustering
expands the traditional stacking domain beyond a single wiring closet and
lets users mix and match interconnections to meet specific management,
performance, and cost requirements. Catalyst 3500 XL switches can be
configured either as command or member switches in a Cisco switch stack or
cluster. The command switch serves as the single IP address management point
and disburses all management instructions dictated by the network
administrator. Command switches can cluster up to 15 additional
interconnected member switches regardless of interconnection media.

Daniel Ladrach
CCNA, CCNP
WorldCom


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Subject: Stacking 3548s [7:38208]


What's the maximum number of Catalyst 3548s can I stack them together?
Thanks!




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RE: Latency in Telnet, intervlan routing [7:38187]

2002-03-14 Thread Wright, Jeremy

make sure your route table isnt goofy. also maybe check the arp cache for
mac/ip problems. i have seen this happen with a faulty arp cache. i cleared
the arp cache, reset the devices, and verify the arp cache again. hope this
helps

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Latency in Telnet, intervlan routing [7:38187]


I do Telnet  from a client on VLAN1 and I reach the server just
fine. VLAN1 is where the server is also connected to.
I do Telnet from any other VLAN: Telnet takes a long time, then it times
out.

That tells me it is something in the InterVLAN routing. What would be the
next step to troubleshoot the problem ? I look into the Cat 5000
configuration but I can't see any relevant changes that caused the problem.
If I use a Sniffer, I noticed a delta time larger for the Telnet. However, I
don't see any brodcast that could such delay.




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Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread Mckenzie Bill

Could someone help me get a clear understanding of converting the hex number
to a nice decimal ring number or bridge number.

Two examples that have me stumped are:

F00 and 2f2.

Thanks Everyone in advance.



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RE: SwitchSim [7:38112]

2002-03-14 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

SwitchSim doesn't ring a bell in my head, but feel free to use my Catalyst
5000 application on my RouterChief site (link below). It will practice you
in the set-based commands that is has, which is different from the IOS
language, and you will need to know those for the Switching Exam.

Hth,

Ole

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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:02 PM
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Subject: SwitchSim [7:38112]


Hi Guys
I found this product SwitchSim, it is a Cisco Switch Simulator ( not from
Cisco) Let me know your exprience if you have use this simulator in the
past.

Thanks,




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RE: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

2002-03-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

I don't understand why the moderator for the group allowed this message. If
somebody has a complaint to make, then he can make it without voicing all
the abuse below.
regards
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Original Message-
From: Mphekeleli Dhlamini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

I  don't usually  reply or ask on these groupstudy,but I think these is
not acceptable under any circumstances.If people can just  have manners
and morals when involving like the discussion boards.I  just can't what
people will say if I post in my Zulu language  knowing for a fact that
these won't make sense  to most if not all the people who are going to
receive these.Waste of bandwidth..
Can you please go and start your own Chinese/Korean or whatever group
where they'll understand these rubbish you have written here please.

I'm not expecting any replies from the author of these s@$t!
People must keep focus sometimes.Forget your democratic country and
behave like a responsible human being.



  Pc9101  2002-03-13 05:24:42 
Hi all +ACE-

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Va dang
hoc thi BCRAN.
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   Hy vong co phan hoi cua cac ban
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Re: Please advise about ccnp beta exam.. [7:38214]

2002-03-14 Thread Maverick

The foundation exam is almost similiar to the individual exams except that
the pressure is greater... I took the foundation exam and while it certainly
is a faster way of clearing the certification, I don't really enjoyed the
experience. Too stressful.

The paper is divided into three sections which will typically have 50 to 60
questions each. And you would need to pass all three sections before you are
considered to have passed the paper.

This would also mean that as there are less questions in each section, each
question will carry a bigger weightage. This can work both ways... get it
right and your scores goes up higher, get it wrong and it also drops more.


hinwoto  wrote in message
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 Hi all,

 I am a CCNA, and pursuing CCNP at the moment.
 Could u guys,please give more information about CCNP beta exam, its
 differences from the real CCNP exam.

 I am considering to take the all in one (BSCN,BCMSN,BCRAN) since my place
is
 far away from the test place. Please advise about this exam, the
toughness,
 and really appreciate if ones who took it can share his/her experience.

 And thanks to whom participates this groupstudy..
 It's really good for sharing information and knowledge.

 Thanks and looking forward to your advise Guys,
 Hinwoto




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csma/cd and switch [7:38227]

2002-03-14 Thread John Green

a node connects to a switch and switch in turn
connects to all other nodes. hence in effect when a
node transmits it is the only one transmitting on that
wire and hence gets the full bandwidth in its transmit
wire (eg in 10BaseT).  (csma/cd not applicable
here,right ? because it is the only node
transmitting on it transmit wire connecting to the
switch)

But what if two or more nodes are trying to send
packets (rather frames) to one particular node. say
two frames from two different nodes, destined for node
A arrive in the switch and now how does the switch
send the frame (frames), or which frame would it send
to node A ? and what happens to the other frame ? is
it discarded by the switch or is  it quequed in the
memory and is sent next. 
how does it work ?  

csma/cd would apply here and bandwidth would have to
be shared in such a case ???  

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Re: csma/cd and switch [7:38227]

2002-03-14 Thread Steven A. Ridder

I did't read all the questions.  It depends on the switch, but it probably
is FIFO, but switches may be able to do PQ, WFQ, etc.  Usually it's fifo.

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  a node connects to a switch and switch in turn
  connects to all other nodes. hence in effect when a
  node transmits it is the only one transmitting on that
  wire and hence gets the full bandwidth in its transmit
  wire (eg in 10BaseT).  (csma/cd not applicable
  here,right ? because it is the only node
  transmitting on it transmit wire connecting to the
  switch)
 
  But what if two or more nodes are trying to send
  packets (rather frames) to one particular node. say
  two frames from two different nodes, destined for node
  A arrive in the switch and now how does the switch
  send the frame (frames), or which frame would it send
  to node A ? and what happens to the other frame ? is
  it discarded by the switch or is  it quequed in the
  memory and is sent next.
  how does it work ?
 
  csma/cd would apply here and bandwidth would have to
  be shared in such a case ???
 
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RE: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088]

2002-03-14 Thread Michael Witte

This link will help to find any feature supported on any platform and the
IOS required. Otherwise it is difficult at best to figure out the supported
features.
http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Support/FeatureNav/FN.pl


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Re: frame-relay interface cannot ping itself [7:38205]

2002-03-14 Thread MADMAN

This was just addresses two days ago and John Neiberger gave a more
eloquent answer but if you really need to ping yourself build a map to
yourself.

  Going to be a lot of blind engineers out there :)

  Dave

Ellis Lam wrote:
 
 I connect router A and router B with frame-relay.
 I am able to ping from A to B but not able to pint router A's interface to
 B, why ?
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RE: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread James Hampton

the place values for base 16 numbering starting from right to left are 16^0,
16^1,16^2,16^3, etc. In case your wondering 16^1 means 16 to the power of 1,
or just 16. Like wise 16^3 = 16 * 16 * 16.
So if you hex value is 2f2, starting with the right most 2, (16^0 * 2)+
(16^1 * 15) + (16^2 * 2). Which breaks down to 2+240+512= 754 in base 10.
Also hex digits are 0-9, A=10, B=11,C=12,D=13,E=14,F=15.
Hope this helps if you still need clarification let me know, I just took a
hudge math coarse last semester and this stuff is still floating around in
my head.




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Re: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread MADMAN

Not sure what you mean, I just use a calculator
  F00 = 3840
  2F2 = 754

  dave

Mckenzie Bill wrote:
 
 Could someone help me get a clear understanding of converting the hex
number
 to a nice decimal ring number or bridge number.
 
 Two examples that have me stumped are:
 
 F00 and 2f2.
 
 Thanks Everyone in advance.
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Re: when do we need to nail the DR priority? [7:38236]

2002-03-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

That is always when using Broadcast or non-broadcast networks right?

Only on NBMA.  The concept of hub and spoke is not meaningful on 
broadcast or point-to-point media.



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From: Chua, Parry 
To: Michael C. Popovich ; Bhisham Bajaj
; Shadi ; ccielab

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: when do we need to nail the DR priority?


You must ensure that the spoke's can never be a DR or not even a BDR, set it
priority to 0 is the answer.

Regards
Parry

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Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057] All headers [7:38235]

2002-03-14 Thread Mphekeleli Dhlamini

Let me clarify one thing to the group here.I've been reading the
postings from different people who are posting reguarly  here with some
valuable inputs.I respect the group and the people involved in it very
much,from Priscilla,Ole,Chuck,Larry,Paul, you name them.I have great
respect for them.I'm also pursuing my career in these field and in that
way,I'm learning a lot  here.
FRANK,talking about my racist(yes,I might have been rude,but racist...)
and my country.That's another issue because I know some very good people
in America who will read my comment from a different point of view than
you see it.Again,I can tell you a thing or two about racists like you
and America  in America who are making it difficult  for some countries
to develop to their full potential because of your contradictory
strategies  and measures you deploy to destabilise or govern the world.
I might offend some people who are not like you FRANK,before I reply to
your issue against my country (including my so called racism),I  will
reply to you personally because I have a lot to tell Americans like you
who are a disgrace to their own country.
To Paul and others who might have been offended by these remarks,my
sincere apologies.I will deal with these PALOOKA specifically.

My apologies again.

Mphekeleli.

 Frank Kim  2002-03-14 01:51:02 
Mphekeleli,
What you've just said below is very unprofessional; in fact I think it
shows to the whole group of people in this list that you are one
racist
individual.  There are many ways to tell these people not to do it
again.  Where did you go to school?  You are putting a bad image of
yourself for your country.  We Americans do not talk/speak/write in
such a
racist/rude way.  That's why in America, there is a diversed group of
cultures living here.  Because we are
polite/understanding/forgiving.  Please go learn some
manners.



-Frank


 Date: 3/13/2002
17:02:29 -0500 From: Mphekeleli Dhlamini 
Reply-to: Mphekeleli Dhlamini 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]  All headers  
I  don't usually  reply or ask on these groupstudy,but I think these
is
not acceptable under any circumstances.If people can just  have
manners
and morals when involving like the discussion boards.I  just can't
what
people will say if I post in my Zulu language  knowing for a fact that
these won't make sense  to most if not all the people who are going to
receive these.Waste of bandwidth..
Can you please go and start your own Chinese/Korean or whatever group
where they'll understand these rubbish you have written here please.

I'm not expecting any replies from the author of these s@$t!
People must keep focus sometimes.Forget your democratic country and
behave like a responsible human being.



 Pc9101  2002-03-13 05:24:42 
Hi all +ACE-

 O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup CCNP group di . Toi
xin
tu
gioi thieu dang lam cho mot cong ty dinh dang den thiet bi cua Cisco.
Va dang
hoc thi BCRAN.
 Chung ta co the trao doi, bat ke trinh do, chi can su nhiet tinh.

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RE: Stacking 3548s [7:38208]

2002-03-14 Thread Patrick Ramsey

This doesn't mean that you should do this though be careful with
openview... it starts acting squirly when you cluster switches.  And issuing
commands from a telnet session to manage 16 switches is flakey at best.  Now
if you are not a OV user and you have cisco works installed, clustering is
pretty cool.  Still not like having a separate ip on each switch, but decent.

-Patrick

out of curiosity, are you using registered addresses?  Or just
ultraconservative on the ip space?  :)

 Kelly Cobean  03/14/02 09:24AM 
Man, I'm glad you said that.  My boss (who did the ordering of all of our
Cat3548's) said the limit was 9He's a pretty smart guy, so I took him at
face value...Shame on me!  Thanks for the correctionThat helps alot!!!

Kelly Cobean

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Subject: RE: Stacking 3548s [7:38208]


Cisco Switch Clustering
Breakthrough Cisco Switch Clustering technology enables up to 16
interconnected Catalyst 3500 XL, Catalyst 2900 XL, and Catalyst 1900
switches, regardless of geographic proximity, to form a single IP management
domain. Cisco Switch Clustering supports a broad range of standards-based
connectivity options and configurations to deliver levels of performance
that are scalable to meet customer requirements. Switch Cluster connectivity
options for the Catalyst 3500 Series XL include Ethernet, Fast Ethernet,
Fast EtherChannel, low-cost Cisco GigaStack GBIC, Gigabit Ethernet, and
Gigabit EtherChannel connectivity. Because the technology is not limited by
proprietary stacking modules or stacking cables, Cisco Switch Clustering
expands the traditional stacking domain beyond a single wiring closet and
lets users mix and match interconnections to meet specific management,
performance, and cost requirements. Catalyst 3500 XL switches can be
configured either as command or member switches in a Cisco switch stack or
cluster. The command switch serves as the single IP address management point
and disburses all management instructions dictated by the network
administrator. Command switches can cluster up to 15 additional
interconnected member switches regardless of interconnection media.

Daniel Ladrach
CCNA, CCNP
WorldCom


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What's the maximum number of Catalyst 3548s can I stack them together?
Thanks!
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RE: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Hex is based on 16, where Dec is based on 10.

When you see a value, no matter if it's in dec, hex, bin, or something else,
think of each number as being number 0 (the right one), 1, 2, 3, and so on.

If you for instance have the decimal value 579:

Number 0 would be 9
Number 1 would be 7
Number 2 would be 5

When you have decimal, the system is based on 10, so you will have to use 10
to calculate your way to a result.

The number 579 can be calculated this way:

   9 * 10^0 =   9
+
   7 * 10^1 =  70
+
   5 * 10^2 = 500
=
   Result   = 579

This seems pretty silly to calculate a value like that, but that's because
we're used to see the value in a 10-based format.

Okay, let's take your first 16-based (hex) value - F00.

Again, from right to left:

Number 0 is 0
Number 1 is 0
Number 2 is F (15 in decimal)

Instead of using the number 10 to calculate, you will need to use the number
16 to calculate:

The value F00 in hex can be calculated this way:

   0 * 16^0 =0
+
   0 * 16^1 =0
+
   F * 16^2 = 3840
=
   Result   = 3840

You can with hex make words if that helps you remember the value, as long as
you do not use letters above F.

For instance, the value ABBA would be a good one to use for a Swedish
Ericsson Server (if they exist), and the value would be calculated like
this:

   A * 16^0 =10
+
   B * 16^1 =   176
+
   B * 16^2 =  2816
+
   A * 16^3 = 40960
=
   Result   = 43962

If this is still a little confusing, the let's continue with your second
value, and break it up a little more:

2F2

First number is 2 (2 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^0 (1).

The result is 2.

Second number is F (15 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^1 (16).

The result is 240.

The third number is 2 (2 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^2 (256).

The result is 512.

The final result will therefore give us 2+240+512 = 754 decimal.

Conversions between all systems other than decimal is much easier, because
they are based on what I call double up. If you start with binary. Binary is
based on 2. When you double up, you will get 4. Next time you will get 8. 8
is the number that Octal is based on, but that's not used much anymore. Next
time you will get 16. 16 is the number that Hex is based on.

Now, you can see that going from hex to binary will be easier. Hex numbers
goes from 0 to 15, and binary goes from 0 to 1. So that means that four
binary numbers matches one hex number.

An example:

The hex number F00 again. If you take each number and convert it to binary,
it is much easier.

0   = 
0   = 
F   = 

Result  =   

You can now convert the binary number to octal, which is based on three
binary numbers instead of four.

First, put spaces in between every third to make it easier:

111 100 000 000

You can see that it is the same binary number as above, but it looks
different now.

Now convert to Octal:

000 = 0
000 = 0
100 = 4
111 = 7

Octal result = 7400

Some people prefer to use binary when converting from hex to decimal.

Again, let's take the F00.

From Hex to Bin:

F 0 0 =   

Let's split the binary numbers up:

0 * 2^0 (1) = 0
0 * 2^1 (2) = 0
0 * 2^2 (4) = 0
0 * 2^3 (8) = 0
0 * 2^4 (16)= 0
0 * 2^5 (32)= 0
0 * 2^6 (64)= 0
0 * 2^7 (128)   = 0
1 * 2^8 (256)   = 256
1 * 2^9 (512)   = 512
1 * 2^10 (1024) = 1024
1 * 2^11 (2048) = 2048

RESULT  = 3840


If you look at the first calculation we did in the beginning, you can see
that I came to the same result.

Hth,

Ole

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From: Mckenzie Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]


Could someone help me get a clear understanding of converting the hex number
to a nice decimal ring number or bridge number.

Two examples that have me stumped are:

F00 and 2f2.

Thanks Everyone in advance.




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RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]

2002-03-14 Thread John Neiberger

Atlantis Partners is just a bad company all around, from what I can
tell.   Here in Denver they post fake job openings just to get people to
send in resumes to fill their databases.  I couldn't believe it when I
discovered that they did this.  Why would anyone use a company that does
stuff like that??

John

 Sean Knox  3/13/02 3:02:29 PM 
I would say it's a sign that recruiting firms, such as Atlantis, don't
have
a clue, as it has always been.

- Sean

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From: Tarek Sabry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]


This is really funny :)

I don't think it's a sign that the industry doesn't acknowledge CCIEs
as
all-round experts anymore (hopefully not anyway!) I think the word
junior
is just to justify the relatively low salary range they're offering
(in
California).

Tarek

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Subject: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]


This is good for a laugh.  They are looking for a junior CCIE.

http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html




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St Louis Study Group [7:38240]

2002-03-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello all,

Does anyone know if their is a study group in St Louis Missouri area?


Thanks in advance.




Kevin McCarty
Computer Sciences Corporation
Defense Sector
618 622 4757




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Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

2002-03-14 Thread Chris Tucker

Why dont the group allow the message in the groupstudy?/

There are alots of Vietnamese Student here !!!
Ignore it and Move on


Hamdi, Tarig  wrote in message
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 I don't understand why the moderator for the group allowed this message.
If
 somebody has a complaint to make, then he can make it without voicing all
 the abuse below.
 regards
 Tarig



 Original Message-
 From: Mphekeleli Dhlamini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:02 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

 I  don't usually  reply or ask on these groupstudy,but I think these is
 not acceptable under any circumstances.If people can just  have manners
 and morals when involving like the discussion boards.I  just can't what
 people will say if I post in my Zulu language  knowing for a fact that
 these won't make sense  to most if not all the people who are going to
 receive these.Waste of bandwidth..
 Can you please go and start your own Chinese/Korean or whatever group
 where they'll understand these rubbish you have written here please.

 I'm not expecting any replies from the author of these s@$t!
 People must keep focus sometimes.Forget your democratic country and
 behave like a responsible human being.



  Pc9101  2002-03-13 05:24:42 
 Hi all +ACE-

   O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup CCNP group di . Toi
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Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]

2002-03-14 Thread Steven A. Ridder

They do that in Boston as well. TechieGold.com is thier website as well,
which I suspect has fake jobs as well.  Furthermore, in our area they merged
with Remington.

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 Atlantis Partners is just a bad company all around, from what I can
 tell.   Here in Denver they post fake job openings just to get people to
 send in resumes to fill their databases.  I couldn't believe it when I
 discovered that they did this.  Why would anyone use a company that does
 stuff like that??

 John

  Sean Knox  3/13/02 3:02:29 PM 
 I would say it's a sign that recruiting firms, such as Atlantis, don't
 have
 a clue, as it has always been.

 - Sean

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 This is really funny :)

 I don't think it's a sign that the industry doesn't acknowledge CCIEs
 as
 all-round experts anymore (hopefully not anyway!) I think the word
 junior
 is just to justify the relatively low salary range they're offering
 (in
 California).

 Tarek

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 This is good for a laugh.  They are looking for a junior CCIE.

 http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html




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Re: HELP !! CCIE 2B or NOT? [7:36542]

2002-03-14 Thread Marc Thach Xuan Ky

I was under the impression that some asian countries used the
numerically consistent notation y/m/d :-)  This of course demonstrates
that the world is a big place with many different outlooks.  We should
be able to accomodate them all and Tim is therefore free to put whatever
sig he likes at the bottom of his mails.
rgds
Marc

Tom Lisa wrote:
 
 Everywhere except U.S. civilian usage.  U.S. Military uses day/mo/yr
 format.  At least
 it did when I was a member 20 years ago.
 
 Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
 Community College of Southern Nevada
 Cisco ATC/Regional Networking Academy
 
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  european-format?  I thought it was everywhere except the US format!
  ;-)
 
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  Australia uses european-format time as well?
 
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RE: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread Kelly Cobean

Bill,
   Hex is equivalent to Base16 numbering.  Decimal is really Base10
numbering.  Let's look at an example of Base10 numbering broken down into
it's components, then we'll tackle your examples..

The decimal number 4243 drawn out in Base10 is as follows:
(4x10^3)  +  (2x10^2)  +  (4x10^1)  +  (3x10^0)  ... Let's do the math...
4x1000  +  2x100  +  4x10  +  3x1  = 4243

Simple, right?  So hex is exactly the same, except you use powers of 16 and
the letters A-F map to numbers 10-15 respectively.  Let's do your
examples...
F00:
Fx16^2  +  0x16^1  +  0x16^0  ...Let's do the math...
15x256  +  0x16  +  0x1  = 3840  ...Voila! Youve just converted Hex to
decimal.

Now how does that give us the Ring/Bridge #'s?...First, you need to
understand that the Route Descriptor is broken down like this:

, where R=Ring# and B=Bridge#

Given that FOO in Binary is only 12 bits but the field above is 16 bits, we
have to pad the left side with 0's so as not to change the value (Though
it's not displayed this way.)  This makes it 0x0F00.  In binary, this is:

0x0F00 =   This means that the Ring is  and the
Bridge is  when you break the fields apart.
Convert this binary back to decimal, you get Ring#=3840, Bridge#=0, (The
bridge bits set to all 0's means the ring local to the destination).  Valid
bridge #'s are 1-15.

Your second example:
2F2 = 0x02F2 = 00100010 = Ring 0010 / Bridge 0010 = Ring#
47/Bridge# 2

If you had a RIF that read 0810.02F2.0F00, then the RIF would translate to
this:
0810(Routing control bits).Ring47/Bridge2.Ring3840/Bridge0(or ring local to
destination)


Hope this helps.


Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I
Network Engineer



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Subject: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]


Could someone help me get a clear understanding of converting the hex number
to a nice decimal ring number or bridge number.

Two examples that have me stumped are:

F00 and 2f2.

Thanks Everyone in advance.




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RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]

2002-03-14 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Hi Justin,

When you ping, you use the ICMP protocol.

When A pings B, A sends ICMP echo-request (number 8) to B, and B sends ICMP
echo-reply (number 0) back to A.

The PIX does not allow ICMP traffic to come from the outside to the inside,
so to change that, you will need to open up for ICMP number 0 (echo-reply).

The command for that is:

conduit permit icmp any any 0

This is a good way to do it, because then you allow outside devices to reply
to your request, but they are not allowed to do a PING themself. If you want
PING to work both ways, simply use this command:

conduit permit icmp any any

Hth,

Ole

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Ole,

Thanks for the reply.  I understand being busy.  I normally try to solve 
these things all on my own, but I just don't have the available time.  I 
spent six hours on it yesterday.

Justin


From: Ole Drews Jensen 
To: 'Justin C' 
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:08:30 -0600

I did receive the message - I do not know why groupstudy did not.

I appologize for not getting back with you yesterday, but I am so busy these
days, as there are many projects I have to finish.

I will see if I can find a couple of minutes to read your entire e-mail from
yesterday, and help you out.

Try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] again.

Ole

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Subject: Question on PIX 501


Ole,

I apologize in advance for yet another direct message.  I am just wondering
if you did get the message regarding the Pix 501 as groupstudy has not.

I dislike having to message direct, but I am really scratching my head over
this, so anything help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.  In a
nutshell, have you worked with a 501.  If so, was it plug and play or did
you have to perform additional configurations to get it to work.

My thanks in advance for your time.

Justin Cluer

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Re: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread Persio Pucci

Nice going, Ole!

Now, how about an easy way to convert decimal to hex without going through
binary (the way I learned)? :)

Persio

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From: Ole Drews Jensen 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]


 Hex is based on 16, where Dec is based on 10.

 When you see a value, no matter if it's in dec, hex, bin, or something
else,
 think of each number as being number 0 (the right one), 1, 2, 3, and so
on.

 If you for instance have the decimal value 579:

 Number 0 would be 9
 Number 1 would be 7
 Number 2 would be 5

 When you have decimal, the system is based on 10, so you will have to use
10
 to calculate your way to a result.

 The number 579 can be calculated this way:

9 * 10^0 =   9
 +
7 * 10^1 =  70
 +
5 * 10^2 = 500
 =
Result = 579

 This seems pretty silly to calculate a value like that, but that's because
 we're used to see the value in a 10-based format.

 Okay, let's take your first 16-based (hex) value - F00.

 Again, from right to left:

 Number 0 is 0
 Number 1 is 0
 Number 2 is F (15 in decimal)

 Instead of using the number 10 to calculate, you will need to use the
number
 16 to calculate:

 The value F00 in hex can be calculated this way:

0 * 16^0 =0
 +
0 * 16^1 =0
 +
F * 16^2 = 3840
 =
Result = 3840

 You can with hex make words if that helps you remember the value, as long
as
 you do not use letters above F.

 For instance, the value ABBA would be a good one to use for a Swedish
 Ericsson Server (if they exist), and the value would be calculated like
 this:

A * 16^0 =10
 +
B * 16^1 =   176
 +
B * 16^2 =  2816
 +
A * 16^3 = 40960
 =
Result = 43962

 If this is still a little confusing, the let's continue with your second
 value, and break it up a little more:

 2F2

 First number is 2 (2 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^0 (1).

 The result is 2.

 Second number is F (15 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^1 (16).

 The result is 240.

 The third number is 2 (2 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^2 (256).

 The result is 512.

 The final result will therefore give us 2+240+512 = 754 decimal.

 Conversions between all systems other than decimal is much easier, because
 they are based on what I call double up. If you start with binary. Binary
is
 based on 2. When you double up, you will get 4. Next time you will get 8.
8
 is the number that Octal is based on, but that's not used much anymore.
Next
 time you will get 16. 16 is the number that Hex is based on.

 Now, you can see that going from hex to binary will be easier. Hex numbers
 goes from 0 to 15, and binary goes from 0 to 1. So that means that four
 binary numbers matches one hex number.

 An example:

 The hex number F00 again. If you take each number and convert it to
binary,
 it is much easier.

 0 = 
 0 = 
 F = 

 Result =   

 You can now convert the binary number to octal, which is based on three
 binary numbers instead of four.

 First, put spaces in between every third to make it easier:

 111 100 000 000

 You can see that it is the same binary number as above, but it looks
 different now.

 Now convert to Octal:

 000 = 0
 000 = 0
 100 = 4
 111 = 7

 Octal result = 7400

 Some people prefer to use binary when converting from hex to decimal.

 Again, let's take the F00.

 From Hex to Bin:

 F 0 0 =   

 Let's split the binary numbers up:

 0 * 2^0 (1) = 0
 0 * 2^1 (2) = 0
 0 * 2^2 (4) = 0
 0 * 2^3 (8) = 0
 0 * 2^4 (16) = 0
 0 * 2^5 (32) = 0
 0 * 2^6 (64) = 0
 0 * 2^7 (128) = 0
 1 * 2^8 (256) = 256
 1 * 2^9 (512) = 512
 1 * 2^10 (1024) = 1024
 1 * 2^11 (2048) = 2048

 RESULT = 3840


 If you look at the first calculation we did in the beginning, you can see
 that I came to the same result.

 Hth,

 Ole

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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]


 Could someone help me get a clear understanding of converting the hex
number
 to a nice decimal ring number or bridge number.

 Two examples that have me stumped are:

 F00 and 2f2.

 Thanks Everyone in advance.




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Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]

2002-03-14 Thread Marc Maxwell

That's nothing.  I was recently contacted by a company that does some kind
of multi-level marketing scam.  The 'interview' is suppossed to be a group
presentation of some kind.  The woman posed as a 'recruiter' and got my name
off the Internet.  She had to have gotten it from a job site, since she knew
I was looking and b/c I don't have personal pages floating around out there.
How's THAT for sleazy?

Marc




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CCNP exams-The Truth [7:38249]

2002-03-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

a big passage below...i hope some of it makes sense to you

ccnp exams are easy. they should be made more difficult in the new 641
series
to regain some of their merit.
But hey can you guys give me one good reason why cisco would like to
have less certified people in the market rather than more?

there might be a couple of minor reasons but cisco has drawn up its
plans for the future.Once a cert.loses its lust, they would come up with

another.
they keep getting hefty fees for the exams, they keep getting richer,
they keep expanding their non-core business revenue streams, they pay
tax, and america's economy revives.

guys this would never die out. Certs are here to stay according to
me...just the same way as windows is.
its all part of a capitalist economy.

some foolish people on the boards value the ccnp at its face value. I
pity
them. If you
have 6months of internetworking exp.behind your back , you are ready for

the ccnp. I got 6months. Its been 19 days since my first ccnp exam, and
im giving CIT in 3.
that makes it 22 for the entire ccnp track. I passed wonderfully, always

very close to the 900's.
my support? well obviously just the book and boson the great.
Now i dont want to give wrong ideas to those pursuing the ccnp. Please
do it
your own way- try to understand everything- i did and then only step
onto
helpers just as boson if you wish. And if you want to feel prouder after

passing the exams,dont use the bosons.
Actually the bosons do help more on the ccna than the ccnp. Ive hardly
come
across questions similar on the real paper in my ccnp track. The boson's
just
help me feel confident enough to go for the exams. I would also very
strongly
advise the cramsessions 2-3 hours before the exam.

why am i taking this cert and making cisco rich? coz thats the only
option i have to get a good enough job. I cant impress anybody with my
exp. so i have to hope to be lucky to find a not-so-clever hiring
manager who would choose me over the really experienced types coz i have

these 4 dumb characters behind my name.
And hey anywayz a lot of candidates have a wrong notion of an interview.

An interview isint enough to get to know what a candidate is capable of
technically. A lot of times, it all boils down to how u get along with
the interviewer.

well to end my thread, i would like to also mention that the ccie
written is
no big deal either. Just like guys in here are doubtful of the ccnp's
merit
nowadays, they would for the ccie in the same way within 6 months.
i would take about 10 days of good study and 1 boson day after that to
get through the current ccie-written.

And finally, i would like to respect the experienced people out there
if. You
guys are the cool people who probably
the ccnp cert were meant for but are being pursued by more or less
newbies
like me.
But we are all humans, we all live in a capitalist economy and we all
want to make money and we all dont want it to take too long.
now, who wouldnt agree on that?




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Re: Loopback Interfaces... [7:37933]

2002-03-14 Thread Brian Lodwick

Mark,

It sounds like you want to create a huge subnet that spans across 3 links?
If you are trying to have both the ethernet interface and the serial
interface be unnumbered to the loopback interface you would inherintly
introduce a problem to the router. The problem would be with the internal
logic of a router running IP (if in fact it is routing). Let's take this
scenario as an example. You are the router and you receive a packet destined
for 192.168.10.5 which interface do you shoot it out of if the serial
interface is addressed 192.168.10.1 255.255.255.0 and the ethernet interface
is addressed 192.168.10.1 255.255.255.0, and you don't have any more
specific static routes? You are now telling the router the 192.168.10.0/24
subnet is over here, and also saying the 192.168.10.0/24 subnet is over
here. I don't see the reasoning in why you would want to try something like
this, especially when you are using private addresses. Why not address the
ethernet interface seperately and then possibly use the unnumbered loopback
0 on the serial interface? If you want everything to be on the same subnet
you could just bridge everything.
I am quite familiar with IP, but not such an old head to know all of the
inner workings of DECnet. The DECnet concept of basically using a node
address instead of addressing each interface kindof goes along with this
type of setup you are trying by kindof establishing the loopback interface
as the node address. IP was designed to have each interface addressed. In IP
as I'm sure you know the mask portion of an IP address defines which hosts
reside on this link. By default in your setup there will be 2 connected
routes pointing packets destined for the 192.168.10.0/24 subnet to the
serial and the ethernet interfaces. If you add more specific routes to it
would fix that issue of not knowing which interface to push packets out of
since those routes would be more preferred, but I believe these more
specific routes would have to be manually entered, because a routing
protocol will simply advertise the addressed networks (RIP, IGRP) or subnets
(EIGRP, IS-IS, OSPF, BGP), not specific host routes.

Crazy idea, Good luck with it and please let us know how it works out for
you.

Brian


Mark Odette II  wrote in message
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 OK, I'll make the question simpler.


 Can you use a loopback interface in the same respect that you would use an
 ethernet interface?

 Create the loopback:  Interface Loopback0
 Assign it an IP with a /24 mask : ip address 192.168.10.1
 Configure the subnet assigned to the loopback interface to a routing
 process, such as EIGRP or RIP.
 Assign many other hosts on a LAN or a WAN an IP address that is in the
same
 subnet as the loopback interface.
 Replicate the above configuration on Router at other end of FR network.
 add subnet assigned to far-end routers' loopback interface to local EIGRP
 AS, or RIP; do the same on the far-end routers' config for the same EIGRP
AS
 or RIP configuration.

 And then, configure FR Subinterface with IP Unnumbered Loopback0, and
route
 traffic across the FR network, with the traffic orininating from either
the
 Router, or another host (if configuration above is legal) on the subnet
that
 is assigned to the Loopback interface.

 What I want to do, is configure a VoIP enabled router with a loopback
 interface assigned to 192.168.10.1, and several LAN hosts with the same
 subnet assignment, i.e., 192.168.10.2, .3, .4, etc., and a /24 subnet mask
 for all hosts including loopback interface.
 I then want to create and assign IP Unnumbered loopbackX to a FR P-to-P
 subinterface.

 Create EIGRP AS to route Subnets assigned to loopback interfaces on each
 respective router.

 Mirror image this configuration on the other end of the wire (FR
Network).

 Configure Dial-Peers with VOIP destinations pointing to the loopback
 interface of the peer router (other end of the FR Network).

 Is this Possible??


 The reason why I want to use Loopback interfaces, is because I plan to
 assign a separate subnet to the FastEthernet Interface, and don't believe
 that the use of the Secondary command will work, i.e., you can't specify
IP
 Unnumbered FastEthernet0 and have the Secondary IP address used ip
 unnumbered fastethernet0 will use the FastEthernets' Primary address,
which
 is not desired.

 The Primary Subnet assigned to the FastEthernet Interface will be NAT
 Translating with a PIX FW (PIX will be doing the NAT) to hit the Internet.


 For Topology description:
 Router HQ  connects to internet on one subinterface, while connecting to 3
 remote offices on a private FR network on a second subinterface.
 Router Remote1 Will be connecting to the internet on one subinterface,
while
 connecting back to HQ on separate FR subinterface for VoIP over FR traffic
 only (no Data traffic)
 Router Remote2 will be doing the same as Remote1
 Router Remote3 will also be doing the same as Remote1

 ... So much for a simpler 

Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

2002-03-14 Thread Jim Bond

Bitch,

This is not Chinese or Korean. I don't think this is
rubbish either. 

Do some research before open your foul mouth.

HTH,

Jim

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 and morals when involving like the discussion
 boards.I  just can't what
 people will say if I post in my Zulu language 
 knowing for a fact that
 these won't make sense  to most if not all the
 people who are going to
 receive these.Waste of bandwidth..
 Can you please go and start your own Chinese/Korean
 or whatever group
 where they'll understand these rubbish you have
 written here please.
 
 I'm not expecting any replies from the author of
 these s@$t!
 People must keep focus sometimes.Forget your
 democratic country and
 behave like a responsible human being.
 
 
 
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 Hi all +ACE-
 
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Kentrox vs. Adtran CSU/DSU [7:38252]

2002-03-14 Thread Doug Korell

I have used Kentrox Satellite 651 CSU/DSU's before but looking at the Adtran
TSU ACE CSU/DSU. Does anyone have an opinion of the Adtran? It's a little
cheaper than the Kentrox and you don't have to buy the cables which are
about $60 each for 10'. Thanks.


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RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]

2002-03-14 Thread Mark Odette II

Forgive me for not reading the book yet, as I've been quite busy too
... but, I have a question in regards to the config line you gave.

I've used the PDM so far to most of the configuration of my PIX, and it
creates access-lists rather than conduits.  I know from others I've talked
with, that Cisco is moving from conduits to access-lists on the PIX
configs... this is the question

I configure to allow ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Echo Reply
   ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Time Exceeded
   ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Unreachable

Does this do the same thing as what you were saying about conduit permit
any any X??

I think it does, but just want to make sure that I haven't opened up ICMP
completely with it being initiated from the outside.

Thanks!
Mark

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Hi Justin,

When you ping, you use the ICMP protocol.

When A pings B, A sends ICMP echo-request (number 8) to B, and B sends ICMP
echo-reply (number 0) back to A.

The PIX does not allow ICMP traffic to come from the outside to the inside,
so to change that, you will need to open up for ICMP number 0 (echo-reply).

The command for that is:

conduit permit icmp any any 0

This is a good way to do it, because then you allow outside devices to reply
to your request, but they are not allowed to do a PING themself. If you want
PING to work both ways, simply use this command:

conduit permit icmp any any

Hth,

Ole

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Ole,

Thanks for the reply.  I understand being busy.  I normally try to solve
these things all on my own, but I just don't have the available time.  I
spent six hours on it yesterday.

Justin


From: Ole Drews Jensen
To: 'Justin C'
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:08:30 -0600

I did receive the message - I do not know why groupstudy did not.

I appologize for not getting back with you yesterday, but I am so busy these
days, as there are many projects I have to finish.

I will see if I can find a couple of minutes to read your entire e-mail from
yesterday, and help you out.

Try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] again.

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Subject: Question on PIX 501


Ole,

I apologize in advance for yet another direct message.  I am just wondering
if you did get the message regarding the Pix 501 as groupstudy has not.

I dislike having to message direct, but I am really scratching my head over
this, so anything help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.  In a
nutshell, have you worked with a 501.  If so, was it plug and play or did
you have to perform additional configurations to get it to work.

My thanks in advance for your time.

Justin Cluer

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Re: Kentrox vs. Adtran CSU/DSU [7:38252]

2002-03-14 Thread Steven A. Ridder

TO me a csu is a csu.  I personally don't have any preference, but I do
prefer being able to configure channels on the front screen as opposed to
having proprietary cables and wacky key combinations to access menus.  I
once had to drive 2.5 hours one way in a snow storm to Cape Cod (no I wasn't
barefoot and it wasn't up hill both ways  :D ) to reconfigure some channels
with ATT only to find out that I didn't have the right cables and
connectors to do the cut over.

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 TSU ACE CSU/DSU. Does anyone have an opinion of the Adtran? It's a little
 cheaper than the Kentrox and you don't have to buy the cables which are
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RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]

2002-03-14 Thread Ali Mesdaq

god i hate multilevel marketing.

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That's nothing.  I was recently contacted by a company that does some kind
of multi-level marketing scam.  The 'interview' is suppossed to be a group
presentation of some kind.  The woman posed as a 'recruiter' and got my name
off the Internet.  She had to have gotten it from a job site, since she knew
I was looking and b/c I don't have personal pages floating around out there.
How's THAT for sleazy?

Marc




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MUX Vs Router [7:38258]

2002-03-14 Thread WW

what's the simlar  and different , when to use mux and when to use router.?

Thanks :)




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RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]

2002-03-14 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

If you need to use tracert, you need to open for ICMP type 11 = Time
Exceeded:

conduit permit icmp any any 11

You do not need the Echo-Reply (icmp type 0) if you only use tracert, but
you if you're using both tracert and ping, you would need either:

conduit permit icmp any any 0
conduit permit icmp any any 11

or

conduit permit icmp any any

Hth,

Ole

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To: Ole Drews Jensen
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]


Hey Drew, does this mean that inside devices could trace out but no one
could trace in? I only allow ICMP to certain machines. We can ping out
but if you trace out through the PIX you get * * *. If I do a conduit
permit icmp any any then you can trace but you can also ping and trace
everything from the outside which I don't want.

Thanks!
Steve

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Hi Justin,

When you ping, you use the ICMP protocol.

When A pings B, A sends ICMP echo-request (number 8) to B, and B sends
ICMP
echo-reply (number 0) back to A.

The PIX does not allow ICMP traffic to come from the outside to the
inside,
so to change that, you will need to open up for ICMP number 0
(echo-reply).

The command for that is:

conduit permit icmp any any 0

This is a good way to do it, because then you allow outside devices to
reply
to your request, but they are not allowed to do a PING themself. If you
want
PING to work both ways, simply use this command:

conduit permit icmp any any

Hth,

Ole

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Ole,

Thanks for the reply.  I understand being busy.  I normally try to solve

these things all on my own, but I just don't have the available time.  I

spent six hours on it yesterday.

Justin


From: Ole Drews Jensen 
To: 'Justin C' 
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:08:30 -0600

I did receive the message - I do not know why groupstudy did not.

I appologize for not getting back with you yesterday, but I am so busy
these
days, as there are many projects I have to finish.

I will see if I can find a couple of minutes to read your entire e-mail
from
yesterday, and help you out.

Try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] again.

Ole

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Question on PIX 501


Ole,

I apologize in advance for yet another direct message.  I am just
wondering
if you did get the message regarding the Pix 501 as groupstudy has not.

I dislike having to message direct, but I am really scratching my head
over
this, so anything help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.  In a
nutshell, have you worked with a 501.  If so, was it plug and play or
did
you have to perform additional configurations to get it to work.

My thanks in advance for your time.

Justin Cluer

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Re: MUX Vs Router [7:38258]

2002-03-14 Thread Patrick Ramsey

Well, they are two different pieces of equipment that do two different
thingsRouters take traffic from multiple layer 3 networks, allowing
comunication between them.  MUX's and DEMUX's take multiple layer 2 segments
and combine them to form one.

now, aside from that, there are vendors that sell mux's that route
traffic... such as http://www.tiaranetworks.com


These are routers in every sense of the word that can also aggregate
bandwidth through multiple serial connections.

hth,

-Patrick
  03/14/02 01:00PM 
what's the simlar  and different , when to use mux and when to use router.?

Thanks :)
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RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]

2002-03-14 Thread Sean Knox

They do this to collect as many resumes as possible and then flood *any* and
all openings with them...even if Atlantis has no intention of sending a
candidate to an interview. This prevents the applicant from applying
directly to said company on their own, because Atlantis will demand a cut
since they referred them. Another bad recruiting firm to watch out for is
MacArthur and Associates - same type of sleeze as Atlantis.

- Sean

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Atlantis Partners is just a bad company all around, from what I can
tell.   Here in Denver they post fake job openings just to get people to
send in resumes to fill their databases.  I couldn't believe it when I
discovered that they did this.  Why would anyone use a company that does
stuff like that??

John

 Sean Knox  3/13/02 3:02:29 PM 
I would say it's a sign that recruiting firms, such as Atlantis, don't
have
a clue, as it has always been.

- Sean

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This is really funny :)

I don't think it's a sign that the industry doesn't acknowledge CCIEs
as
all-round experts anymore (hopefully not anyway!) I think the word
junior
is just to justify the relatively low salary range they're offering
(in
California).

Tarek

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This is good for a laugh.  They are looking for a junior CCIE.

http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html




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Re: CCNP exams-The Truth [7:38249]

2002-03-14 Thread Ken Diliberto

How about this:  the more tests people have to take, the more money Cisco
makes.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  03/14/02 11:13AM 
a big passage below...i hope some of it makes sense to you

ccnp exams are easy. they should be made more difficult in the new 641
series to regain some of their merit.
But hey can you guys give me one good reason why cisco would like to
have less certified people in the market rather than more?
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Re: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread Fred Ingham

All very good but an easier route is to configure the ring numbers in
hex; the router will give the decimal equivalents.

int tok 0
ring 16
source-bridge 0xf00 2 0x2f2

will appear as 

int tok 0
ring 16
source-bridge 3840 2 754

Fred.

Kelly Cobean wrote:
 
 Bill,
Hex is equivalent to Base16 numbering.  Decimal is really Base10
 numbering.  Let's look at an example of Base10 numbering broken down into
 it's components, then we'll tackle your examples..
 
 The decimal number 4243 drawn out in Base10 is as follows:
 (4x10^3)  +  (2x10^2)  +  (4x10^1)  +  (3x10^0)  ... Let's do the math...
 4x1000  +  2x100  +  4x10  +  3x1  = 4243
 
 Simple, right?  So hex is exactly the same, except you use powers of 16 and
 the letters A-F map to numbers 10-15 respectively.  Let's do your
 examples...
 F00:
 Fx16^2  +  0x16^1  +  0x16^0  ...Let's do the math...
 15x256  +  0x16  +  0x1  = 3840  ...Voila! Youve just converted Hex to
 decimal.
 
 Now how does that give us the Ring/Bridge #'s?...First, you need to
 understand that the Route Descriptor is broken down like this:
 
 , where R=Ring# and B=Bridge#
 
 Given that FOO in Binary is only 12 bits but the field above is 16 bits, we
 have to pad the left side with 0's so as not to change the value (Though
 it's not displayed this way.)  This makes it 0x0F00.  In binary, this is:
 
 0x0F00 =   This means that the Ring is  and the
 Bridge is  when you break the fields apart.
 Convert this binary back to decimal, you get Ring#=3840, Bridge#=0, (The
 bridge bits set to all 0's means the ring local to the destination). 
Valid
 bridge #'s are 1-15.
 
 Your second example:
 2F2 = 0x02F2 = 00100010 = Ring 0010 / Bridge 0010 = Ring#
 47/Bridge# 2
 
 If you had a RIF that read 0810.02F2.0F00, then the RIF would translate to
 this:
 0810(Routing control bits).Ring47/Bridge2.Ring3840/Bridge0(or ring local to
 destination)
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I
 Network Engineer
 
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 Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:02 AM
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 Subject: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]
 
 Could someone help me get a clear understanding of converting the hex
number
 to a nice decimal ring number or bridge number.
 
 Two examples that have me stumped are:
 
 F00 and 2f2.
 
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Re: CCNP exams-The Truth [7:38249]

2002-03-14 Thread Steven A. Ridder

Tests are definitly profitable.  For the CCIE lab ALONE, I heard that approx
50,000 people have taken the test.  For most of the time, the test was
$1000.00.  So, since the inception of the LAB, Cisco has pulled in
$50,000,000.00!  And AFAIK, none of that cash goes to Sylvan or anyone else
but Cisco.  That's just for the lab!  I can't imagine how many people have
paid for the CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP, CCIE Written, etc..

Tests certainly are profitable.

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 How about this:  the more tests people have to take, the more money Cisco
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 a big passage below...i hope some of it makes sense to you

 ccnp exams are easy. they should be made more difficult in the new 641
 series to regain some of their merit.
 But hey can you guys give me one good reason why cisco would like to
 have less certified people in the market rather than more?
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RE: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Thanks,

Now you have to remember the DIV and MOD calculation you learned in school.

First, learn the values of each of the hex numbers.

If we take a max of four hex numbers (1 word, 2 bytes, 16 bits, etc.) you
have the following:

16^3  16^2  16^1  16^0

Doing a fast calculation gives us:

4096  256  16  1

That means that 1000 hex is 4096 dec. Got that? - Good!

With four numbers, you will have the range of  to  or 0 to 65535.

So if you have the decimal number 5000, you do the following:

Step 1: How many times does 4096 fit into 5000?

Answer = 1

Step 2: What's left?

Answer = 904

Step 3: How many times does 256 fit into 904?

Answer = 3

Step 4: What's left?

Answer = 136

Step 5: How many times does 16 fit into 136?

Answer = 8

Step 6: What's left?

Answer = 8

RESULT = 1388 hex is the same as 5000 dec.

Here's a practice story for you :-)

The 2750 with the 2989 64206 got a 3053 at the old 51966 where 43962 used to
190.

Hth,

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Nice going, Ole!

Now, how about an easy way to convert decimal to hex without going through
binary (the way I learned)? :)

Persio

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Subject: RE: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]


 Hex is based on 16, where Dec is based on 10.

 When you see a value, no matter if it's in dec, hex, bin, or something
else,
 think of each number as being number 0 (the right one), 1, 2, 3, and so
on.

 If you for instance have the decimal value 579:

 Number 0 would be 9
 Number 1 would be 7
 Number 2 would be 5

 When you have decimal, the system is based on 10, so you will have to use
10
 to calculate your way to a result.

 The number 579 can be calculated this way:

9 * 10^0 =   9
 +
7 * 10^1 =  70
 +
5 * 10^2 = 500
 =
Result = 579

 This seems pretty silly to calculate a value like that, but that's because
 we're used to see the value in a 10-based format.

 Okay, let's take your first 16-based (hex) value - F00.

 Again, from right to left:

 Number 0 is 0
 Number 1 is 0
 Number 2 is F (15 in decimal)

 Instead of using the number 10 to calculate, you will need to use the
number
 16 to calculate:

 The value F00 in hex can be calculated this way:

0 * 16^0 =0
 +
0 * 16^1 =0
 +
F * 16^2 = 3840
 =
Result = 3840

 You can with hex make words if that helps you remember the value, as long
as
 you do not use letters above F.

 For instance, the value ABBA would be a good one to use for a Swedish
 Ericsson Server (if they exist), and the value would be calculated like
 this:

A * 16^0 =10
 +
B * 16^1 =   176
 +
B * 16^2 =  2816
 +
A * 16^3 = 40960
 =
Result = 43962

 If this is still a little confusing, the let's continue with your second
 value, and break it up a little more:

 2F2

 First number is 2 (2 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^0 (1).

 The result is 2.

 Second number is F (15 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^1 (16).

 The result is 240.

 The third number is 2 (2 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^2 (256).

 The result is 512.

 The final result will therefore give us 2+240+512 = 754 decimal.

 Conversions between all systems other than decimal is much easier, because
 they are based on what I call double up. If you start with binary. Binary
is
 based on 2. When you double up, you will get 4. Next time you will get 8.
8
 is the number that Octal is based on, but that's not used much anymore.
Next
 time you will get 16. 16 is the number that Hex is based on.

 Now, you can see that going from hex to binary will be easier. Hex numbers
 goes from 0 to 15, and binary goes from 0 to 1. So that means that four
 binary numbers matches one hex number.

 An example:

 The hex number F00 again. If you take each number and convert it to
binary,
 it is much easier.

 0 = 
 0 = 
 F = 

 Result =   

 You can now convert the binary number to octal, which is based on three
 binary numbers instead of four.

 First, put spaces in between every third to make it easier:

 111 100 000 000

 You can see that it is the same binary number as above, but it looks
 different now.

 Now convert to Octal:

 000 = 0
 000 = 0
 100 = 4
 111 = 7

 Octal result = 7400

 Some people prefer to use binary when converting from hex to decimal.

 Again, let's take the F00.

 From Hex to Bin:

 F 0 0 =   

 Let's split the 

RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]

2002-03-14 Thread Justin C

Mark,

My original question that I sent to the group somehow got lost.  Ole was 
kind enough to respond to a direct query regarding to some fun I am having 
with installing a Pix (501) for the first time.  My firewall background is 
SonicWall and Watchguard, both are very simple in configuration and work 
directly out of the box.

I was under the impression it was pretty much plug and play, so I decided to 
test it by putting it between my PC and the rest of the LAN.  However, after 
the initial setup, the Pix passed no information through it.  So I went to a 
ping to start the troubleshooting.  The curious (to me) issue was that from 
the console or the PDM of the Pix I can ping network addresses on both sides 
of the Pix.  From the inside of the Pix, I cannot ping (or browse the web) 
through the Pix.  I cannot even ping the outside interface of the Pix from 
the inside interface.  The specific question is this ... is additional 
configuration of the Pix required to permit access from the inside interface 
to the outside interface and beyond?

To expand on the topic you and Ole are discussing, is the use of the 
conduits (or access-lists) required for each and every type of service I 
want to send from the inside to the outside?  I have no problem researching 
the commands to learn how it is done, I just want to make certain I am on 
the right path.

Thanks,

Justin


From: Mark Odette II 
Reply-To: Mark Odette II 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:45:59 -0500

Forgive me for not reading the book yet, as I've been quite busy too
... but, I have a question in regards to the config line you gave.

I've used the PDM so far to most of the configuration of my PIX, and it
creates access-lists rather than conduits.  I know from others I've talked
with, that Cisco is moving from conduits to access-lists on the PIX
configs... this is the question

I configure to allow ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Echo Reply
   ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Time Exceeded
   ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Unreachable

Does this do the same thing as what you were saying about conduit permit
any any X??

I think it does, but just want to make sure that I haven't opened up ICMP
completely with it being initiated from the outside.

Thanks!
Mark

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Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]


Hi Justin,

When you ping, you use the ICMP protocol.

When A pings B, A sends ICMP echo-request (number 8) to B, and B sends ICMP
echo-reply (number 0) back to A.

The PIX does not allow ICMP traffic to come from the outside to the inside,
so to change that, you will need to open up for ICMP number 0 (echo-reply).

The command for that is:

conduit permit icmp any any 0

This is a good way to do it, because then you allow outside devices to reply
to your request, but they are not allowed to do a PING themself. If you want
PING to work both ways, simply use this command:

conduit permit icmp any any

Hth,

Ole

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ole,

Thanks for the reply.  I understand being busy.  I normally try to solve
these things all on my own, but I just don't have the available time.  I
spent six hours on it yesterday.

Justin


From: Ole Drews Jensen
To: 'Justin C'
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:08:30 -0600

I did receive the message - I do not know why groupstudy did not.

I appologize for not getting back with you yesterday, but I am so busy these
days, as there are many projects I have to finish.

I will see if I can find a couple of minutes to read your entire e-mail from
yesterday, and help you out.

Try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] again.

Ole

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Subject: Question on PIX 501


Ole,

I apologize in advance for yet another direct message.  I am just wondering
if you did get the message regarding the Pix 501 as 

FW: MUX Vs Router [7:38258]

2002-03-14 Thread David Toalson

In my experience if you have a choice - stay away from the muxes.  We had 30
locations with NRS telco lines and muxes with multiple resets being required
each week.  Since, we have moved to 100% routers on Frame lines.  Down time
is less than 1% of what it was with the Muxes.  We also have much more
control over the communication and with IP addressing on the routers, we can
monitor with WhatsUp and other software.  The Frame circuits are a bit more
expensive per month, but the benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.  You
also have to have one mux on each end of your circuit, no spoke/hub
connectivity.  

By the way, if you decide to use muxes, we have many 8/16/32 port Multitech
muxes.  Contact me off the group and we can work out a good deal.

David Toalson
816-701-4142

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 what's the simlar  and different , when to use mux and when to use
 router.?
 
 Thanks :)




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another CCNP [7:38269]

2002-03-14 Thread King, Ty

Just passed my last test today.

Ty King




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Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]

2002-03-14 Thread Tshon

The company has no level of professionalism.  They call you in for this 
Cattle call.
You and 15 other people for a interview for the same job.  Then they 
want to do all
of the negotiation.  I find that any job they set you up for they are 
trying to keep
about $20,000 +.  So becareful, of them or anyone that wants to do all 
the negotiation
for you.  They get paid the difference.

Steven A. Ridder wrote:

They do that in Boston as well. TechieGold.com is thier website as well,
which I suspect has fake jobs as well.  Furthermore, in our area they merged
with Remington.

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John Neiberger  wrote in message
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Atlantis Partners is just a bad company all around, from what I can
tell.   Here in Denver they post fake job openings just to get people to
send in resumes to fill their databases.  I couldn't believe it when I
discovered that they did this.  Why would anyone use a company that does
stuff like that??

John

Sean Knox  3/13/02 3:02:29 PM 

I would say it's a sign that recruiting firms, such as Atlantis, don't
have
a clue, as it has always been.

- Sean

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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]


This is really funny :)

I don't think it's a sign that the industry doesn't acknowledge CCIEs
as
all-round experts anymore (hopefully not anyway!) I think the word
junior
is just to justify the relatively low salary range they're offering
(in
California).

Tarek

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Ken Diliberto
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:42 PM
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Subject: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]


This is good for a laugh.  They are looking for a junior CCIE.

http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html




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RE: Loopback Interfaces..long reply, read carefully please to [7:38270]

2002-03-14 Thread Mark Odette II

Brian, et al.,
The idea is to do such:

Interface FastEthernet0
description Connected to PIX Outside Interface, and PIX Inside Interface is
subnet for Data traffic.
Ip adress x.x.x.x 255.255.255.x

Interface Loopback0
description VoIP subnet with VoIP originating/terminating on this Router...
other hosts also placed on the same subnet at a later date, and connecting
via the Ethernet Port which connects to a switch that the other hosts are
also plugging into.
Ip address 192.168.101.1 255.255.255.0

Interface Serial0
NO IP ADDRESS
Encap Frame-Relay

Interface Serial0.1
description Connected to the Internet
Ip address x.x.x.x x.x.x.252
interface-dlci 16

Interface Serial0.100
description Connected to HQ over PVT FR for Voice traffic
  ip unnumbered loopback0
interface-dlci 100






Router EIGRP 1750
Network 192.168.100.0 Brian


Mark Odette II  wrote in message
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 OK, I'll make the question simpler.


 Can you use a loopback interface in the same respect that you would use an
 ethernet interface?

 Create the loopback:  Interface Loopback0
 Assign it an IP with a /24 mask : ip address 192.168.10.1
 Configure the subnet assigned to the loopback interface to a routing
 process, such as EIGRP or RIP.
 Assign many other hosts on a LAN or a WAN an IP address that is in the
same
 subnet as the loopback interface.
 Replicate the above configuration on Router at other end of FR network.
 add subnet assigned to far-end routers' loopback interface to local EIGRP
 AS, or RIP; do the same on the far-end routers' config for the same EIGRP
AS
 or RIP configuration.

 And then, configure FR Subinterface with IP Unnumbered Loopback0, and
route
 traffic across the FR network, with the traffic orininating from either
the
 Router, or another host (if configuration above is legal) on the subnet
that
 is assigned to the Loopback interface.

 What I want to do, is configure a VoIP enabled router with a loopback
 interface assigned to 192.168.10.1, and several LAN hosts with the same
 subnet assignment, i.e., 192.168.10.2, .3, .4, etc., and a /24 subnet mask
 for all hosts including loopback interface.
 I then want to create and assign IP Unnumbered loopbackX to a FR P-to-P
 subinterface.

 Create EIGRP AS to route Subnets assigned to loopback interfaces on each
 respective router.

 Mirror image this configuration on the other end of the wire (FR
Network).

 Configure Dial-Peers with VOIP destinations pointing to the loopback
 interface of the peer router (other end of the FR Network).

 Is this Possible??


 The reason why I want to use Loopback interfaces, is because I plan to
 assign a separate subnet to the FastEthernet Interface, and don't believe
 that the use of the Secondary command will work, i.e., you can't specify
IP
 Unnumbered FastEthernet0 and have the Secondary IP address used ip
 unnumbered fastethernet0 will use the FastEthernets' Primary address,
which
 is not desired.

 The Primary Subnet assigned to the FastEthernet Interface will be NAT
 Translating with a PIX FW (PIX will be doing the NAT) to hit the Internet.


 For Topology description:
 Router HQ  connects to internet on one subinterface, while connecting to 3
 remote offices on a private FR network on a second subinterface.
 Router Remote1 Will be connecting to the internet on one subinterface,
while
 connecting back to HQ on separate FR subinterface for VoIP over FR traffic
 only (no Data traffic)
 Router Remote2 will be doing the same as Remote1
 Router Remote3 will also be doing the same as Remote1

 ... So much for a simpler reply. :)

 Thanks in advance for everyones' comments.



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Tshon
 Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:44 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Loopback Interfaces... [7:37933]


 What in the world is the question about, what are you trying to do.
  Ping the remote routers, they have a serial
 interface that you can ping, or the ethernet.  Why do you need a
 loopback, what routing protocol are you
 running, where is a config?  We can't figure out what you are talking
 about, we need your help to help you.

 Brian Lodwick wrote:

 This has got to be the most confusing message I have ever read.
 A loopback interface is just a virtual interface. It's not a real
interface
 it's just a virtual interface you can create within the router, and you
can
 create as many as you want.
 The biggest reason someone would want to use a loopback interface would
be
 for resiliency. If you build a certain session to the loopback interface
 (BGP, DLSW...) and you have more than one path to reach this router the
 session will not die if a certain interface dies.
  ___ ( )
 --- r1  Brian
 
 
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L2 VS L3 EtherChannel [7:38272]

2002-03-14 Thread Jeffrey Reed

When would you use Layer 3 EtherChannel? Ive bonded layer two links
together before, but not sure when you could/should use the layer 3
EtherChannel?

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/ios127xe/config/
channel.htm#12748

Thanks!!

Jeff
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RE: Kentrox vs. Adtran CSU/DSU [7:38252]

2002-03-14 Thread Mark Odette II

ROFL

That had to suck.

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Subject: Re: Kentrox vs. Adtran CSU/DSU [7:38252]


TO me a csu is a csu.  I personally don't have any preference, but I do
prefer being able to configure channels on the front screen as opposed to
having proprietary cables and wacky key combinations to access menus.  I
once had to drive 2.5 hours one way in a snow storm to Cape Cod (no I wasn't
barefoot and it wasn't up hill both ways  :D ) to reconfigure some channels
with ATT only to find out that I didn't have the right cables and
connectors to do the cut over.

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 I have used Kentrox Satellite 651 CSU/DSU's before but looking at the
Adtran
 TSU ACE CSU/DSU. Does anyone have an opinion of the Adtran? It's a little
 cheaper than the Kentrox and you don't have to buy the cables which are
 about $60 each for 10'. Thanks.




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RE: Default Weight in BGP [7:38191]

2002-03-14 Thread Wes

Weight, like all BGP attributes, is present for EVERY route in the BGP
table.  So, if the route is sourced from another router, it will need to be
assigned a weight.  The assigned weight will be 0.  (Weight has
local-significance only, and is not transited)

So, routes sourced locally will have a local weight of 32k.  Routes sourced
remotely will have a weight of 0.  Using route-maps, you can adjust these
weights if needed.

As to why it's 32k, I assume it has something to do with the fact that the
BGP table is de-coupled from the routing table, and ensuring that routers
advertize themselves as the best-path as oposed to chosing another BGP
route as best.  However, this is off the top of my head, I'm sure Halabi or
Doyle would have more on this in their books.

--Wes




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RE: Last question on OSPF point-to-multi nonbroadcast [7:38189]

2002-03-14 Thread Wes

It's point-to-multipoint without automatic neighbor discovery.  All the
advantages of P2M, with the added control of manually specifying your
neighbors.

I don't usually use it - but it's another tool in the shed, just in case...

--Wes


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Re: another CCNP [7:38269]

2002-03-14 Thread Michael J. Doherty

Congratulations!!


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From: King, Ty 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: another CCNP [7:38269]


 Just passed my last test today.

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RE: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

2002-03-14 Thread Kelly Cobean

I have an idea, why don't we just standardize on a Language that NOBODY uses
anymore, like maybe formal Latin.  That way, you all can waste even more of
my precious time on things that have nothing whatsoever to do with becoming
a CCIE.  In other words, please take your petty squables offline.  I realize
that the Internet is a global community, and we should all make an effort to
be sensitive and support everyone in their quest to become a CCIE, however,
for the most part the english language is the lowest common denominator, so
it only makes sense.  If more of the countries of the world spoke spanish,
for example, than english, then it would make sense to host this list in
spanish, but that's not the case.  I propose to the moderator(s) a formal
request to stop this thread, as their is nothing beneficial about it, and it
is clearly headed down-hill.  Realistically, none of us care whether the
post was in Chinese or Korean, or Plutonian for that matter.  We saw it, we
didn't understand it, we moved on.

And just so my post has something to do with becoming a CCIE

Can someone tell me the consequences of having a switched network with a
diameter greater than 7?  Does Spanning-Tree freak out?  Thanks.

Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I
Network Engineer
GRC International, Inc., an ATT company

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jim Bond
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]


Bitch,

This is not Chinese or Korean. I don't think this is
rubbish either.

Do some research before open your foul mouth.

HTH,

Jim

--- Mphekeleli Dhlamini  wrote:
 I  don't usually  reply or ask on these
 groupstudy,but I think these is
 not acceptable under any circumstances.If people can
 just  have manners
 and morals when involving like the discussion
 boards.I  just can't what
 people will say if I post in my Zulu language
 knowing for a fact that
 these won't make sense  to most if not all the
 people who are going to
 receive these.Waste of bandwidth..
 Can you please go and start your own Chinese/Korean
 or whatever group
 where they'll understand these rubbish you have
 written here please.

 I'm not expecting any replies from the author of
 these s@$t!
 People must keep focus sometimes.Forget your
 democratic country and
 behave like a responsible human being.



  Pc9101  2002-03-13 05:24:42 
 Hi all +ACE-

   O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup
 CCNP group di . Toi
 xin
 tu
 gioi thieu dang lam cho mot cong ty dinh dang den
 thiet bi cua Cisco.
 Va dang
 hoc thi BCRAN.
   Chung ta co the trao doi, bat ke trinh do, chi can
 su nhiet tinh.

   Hy vong co phan hoi cua cac ban
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Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

2002-03-14 Thread Steven A. Ridder

si.

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Kelly Cobean  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 I have an idea, why don't we just standardize on a Language that NOBODY
uses
 anymore, like maybe formal Latin.  That way, you all can waste even more
of
 my precious time on things that have nothing whatsoever to do with
becoming
 a CCIE.  In other words, please take your petty squables offline.  I
realize
 that the Internet is a global community, and we should all make an effort
to
 be sensitive and support everyone in their quest to become a CCIE,
however,
 for the most part the english language is the lowest common denominator,
so
 it only makes sense.  If more of the countries of the world spoke spanish,
 for example, than english, then it would make sense to host this list in
 spanish, but that's not the case.  I propose to the moderator(s) a formal
 request to stop this thread, as their is nothing beneficial about it, and
it
 is clearly headed down-hill.  Realistically, none of us care whether the
 post was in Chinese or Korean, or Plutonian for that matter.  We saw it,
we
 didn't understand it, we moved on.

 And just so my post has something to do with becoming a CCIE

 Can someone tell me the consequences of having a switched network with a
 diameter greater than 7?  Does Spanning-Tree freak out?  Thanks.

 Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I
 Network Engineer
 GRC International, Inc., an ATT company

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Jim Bond
 Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:34 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]


 Bitch,

 This is not Chinese or Korean. I don't think this is
 rubbish either.

 Do some research before open your foul mouth.

 HTH,

 Jim

 --- Mphekeleli Dhlamini  wrote:
  I  don't usually  reply or ask on these
  groupstudy,but I think these is
  not acceptable under any circumstances.If people can
  just  have manners
  and morals when involving like the discussion
  boards.I  just can't what
  people will say if I post in my Zulu language
  knowing for a fact that
  these won't make sense  to most if not all the
  people who are going to
  receive these.Waste of bandwidth..
  Can you please go and start your own Chinese/Korean
  or whatever group
  where they'll understand these rubbish you have
  written here please.
 
  I'm not expecting any replies from the author of
  these s@$t!
  People must keep focus sometimes.Forget your
  democratic country and
  behave like a responsible human being.
 
 
 
   Pc9101  2002-03-13 05:24:42 
  Hi all +ACE-
 
O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup
  CCNP group di . Toi
  xin
  tu
  gioi thieu dang lam cho mot cong ty dinh dang den
  thiet bi cua Cisco.
  Va dang
  hoc thi BCRAN.
Chung ta co the trao doi, bat ke trinh do, chi can
  su nhiet tinh.
 
Hy vong co phan hoi cua cac ban
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Re: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread Tom Lisa

Thats easy, just integer divide the decimal number by 16 and put the
remainder in the first column.  Keep dividing by 16 and placing the
remainder in the next column moving right to left until you have a
number less than 16 and place it in the left-most column.

For example:  873 = 0x369
  873/16=54, r9
   54/16= 3, r6
3/16= 0, r3

HTH,
Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco ATC/Regional Networking Academy

Persio Pucci wrote:

 Nice going, Ole!

 Now, how about an easy way to convert decimal to hex without going through
 binary (the way I learned)? :)

 Persio

 - Original Message -
 From: Ole Drews Jensen
 To:
 Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:07 PM
 Subject: RE: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

  Hex is based on 16, where Dec is based on 10.
 
  When you see a value, no matter if it's in dec, hex, bin, or something
 else,
  think of each number as being number 0 (the right one), 1, 2, 3, and so
 on.
 
  If you for instance have the decimal value 579:
 
  Number 0 would be 9
  Number 1 would be 7
  Number 2 would be 5
 
  When you have decimal, the system is based on 10, so you will have to use
 10
  to calculate your way to a result.
 
  The number 579 can be calculated this way:
 
 9 * 10^0 =   9
  +
 7 * 10^1 =  70
  +
 5 * 10^2 = 500
  =
 Result = 579
 
  This seems pretty silly to calculate a value like that, but that's
because
  we're used to see the value in a 10-based format.
 
  Okay, let's take your first 16-based (hex) value - F00.
 
  Again, from right to left:
 
  Number 0 is 0
  Number 1 is 0
  Number 2 is F (15 in decimal)
 
  Instead of using the number 10 to calculate, you will need to use the
 number
  16 to calculate:
 
  The value F00 in hex can be calculated this way:
 
 0 * 16^0 =0
  +
 0 * 16^1 =0
  +
 F * 16^2 = 3840
  =
 Result = 3840
 
  You can with hex make words if that helps you remember the value, as long
 as
  you do not use letters above F.
 
  For instance, the value ABBA would be a good one to use for a Swedish
  Ericsson Server (if they exist), and the value would be calculated like
  this:
 
 A * 16^0 =10
  +
 B * 16^1 =   176
  +
 B * 16^2 =  2816
  +
 A * 16^3 = 40960
  =
 Result = 43962
 
  If this is still a little confusing, the let's continue with your second
  value, and break it up a little more:
 
  2F2
 
  First number is 2 (2 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^0 (1).
 
  The result is 2.
 
  Second number is F (15 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^1 (16).
 
  The result is 240.
 
  The third number is 2 (2 decimal) which must be multiplied by 16^2 (256).
 
  The result is 512.
 
  The final result will therefore give us 2+240+512 = 754 decimal.
 
  Conversions between all systems other than decimal is much easier,
because
  they are based on what I call double up. If you start with binary. Binary
 is
  based on 2. When you double up, you will get 4. Next time you will get 8.
 8
  is the number that Octal is based on, but that's not used much anymore.
 Next
  time you will get 16. 16 is the number that Hex is based on.
 
  Now, you can see that going from hex to binary will be easier. Hex
numbers
  goes from 0 to 15, and binary goes from 0 to 1. So that means that four
  binary numbers matches one hex number.
 
  An example:
 
  The hex number F00 again. If you take each number and convert it to
 binary,
  it is much easier.
 
  0 = 
  0 = 
  F = 
 
  Result =   
 
  You can now convert the binary number to octal, which is based on three
  binary numbers instead of four.
 
  First, put spaces in between every third to make it easier:
 
  111 100 000 000
 
  You can see that it is the same binary number as above, but it looks
  different now.
 
  Now convert to Octal:
 
  000 = 0
  000 = 0
  100 = 4
  111 = 7
 
  Octal result = 7400
 
  Some people prefer to use binary when converting from hex to decimal.
 
  Again, let's take the F00.
 
  From Hex to Bin:
 
  F 0 0 =   
 
  Let's split the binary numbers up:
 
  0 * 2^0 (1) = 0
  0 * 2^1 (2) = 0
  0 * 2^2 (4) = 0
  0 * 2^3 (8) = 0
  0 * 2^4 (16) = 0
  0 * 2^5 (32) = 0
  0 * 2^6 (64) = 0
  0 * 2^7 (128) = 0
  1 * 2^8 (256) = 256
  1 * 2^9 (512) = 512
  1 * 2^10 (1024) = 1024
  1 * 2^11 (2048) = 2048
 
  RESULT = 3840
 
 
  If you look at the first calculation we did in the beginning, you can see
  that I came to the same result.
 
  Hth,
 
  Ole
 
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Creating Serial cross over cable [7:38280]

2002-03-14 Thread Joe Lin

Hi,

I am trying to figure out my options for creating 60pin serial cross
over cables.

If I had 2 cables that are 60pin to 25pin, can I just buy a 25pin null-modem
cable, connect them and create a serial crossover?




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Management VLANs? [7:38282]

2002-03-14 Thread Michael Kelker

this isn't a direct CCNP cert question, but I was thinking of trying to make
my network infrastructure easier to navigate.  I was thinking of creating a
VLAN on a certain IP scheme and have each piece of equipment have  a virutal
interface on it.

Am I going about this the right way?  How do some of you address this issue?




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RE: another CCNP [7:38269]

2002-03-14 Thread William Gragido

Welcome to the club!

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Congratulations!!


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RE: L2 VS L3 EtherChannel [7:38272]

2002-03-14 Thread Larry Letterman

You cant set etherchannel to a layer 3 address,
not in any of the cisco switches I had. Its only
a layer 2 link, not a layer 3 link.


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Cisco Systems
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Subject: L2 VS L3 EtherChannel [7:38272]


When would you use Layer 3 EtherChannel? Ive bonded layer two links
together before, but not sure when you could/should use the layer 3
EtherChannel?

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/ios127xe/config/
channel.htm#12748

Thanks!!

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RE: Loopback Interfaces..long reply, read carefully please to [7:38285]

2002-03-14 Thread Mark Odette II

OK, For some reason, my first time of sending this reply got chopped, so
here it is again.

Brian, et al.,
Please Note the following:

***All I wanted to know was: Can the Loopback Interface be used to host a
complete subnet (and the Router make routing decisions with this inteface),
or is its functionality such that it will always respond like an interface
configured with a 255.255.255.255 mask, and 86 traffic not destined for IT
on the same subnet??

I'm not looking for someone to help me make a completely working config for
all routers in this implementation.

The idea is to do such:

!Interface FastEthernet0
!   description Connected to PIX Outside Interface, and PIX Inside Interface
is subnet for Data traffic.
!   Ip adress x.x.x.x 255.255.255.x

!Interface Loopback0
!   description VoIP subnet with VoIP originating/terminating on this
Router... other hosts also placed on the same subnet at a later date, and
connecting via the Ethernet Port which connects to a switch that the other
hosts are also plugging into.
!   Ip address 192.168.101.1 255.255.255.0

!Interface Serial0
!   NO IP ADDRESS
!   Encap Frame-Relay

!Interface Serial0.1
!   description Connected to the Internet
!   Ip address x.x.x.x x.x.x.252
!   interface-dlci 16

!Interface Serial0.100
!   description Connected to HQ over PVT FR for Voice traffic
!  ip unnumbered loopback0
!   interface-dlci 100
!   {insert Map-Class Tag here}

!{Insert Route-Maps Here}
!{Insert Voice configuration here... a.k.a. Dial Peers}
!{Insert QoS config here... a.k.a. Map Classes}

!Router EIGRP 1750
!Network 192.168.100.0 Brian


Mark Odette II  wrote in message
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 OK, I'll make the question simpler.


 Can you use a loopback interface in the same respect that you would use an
 ethernet interface?

 Create the loopback:  Interface Loopback0
 Assign it an IP with a /24 mask : ip address 192.168.10.1
 Configure the subnet assigned to the loopback interface to a routing
 process, such as EIGRP or RIP.
 Assign many other hosts on a LAN or a WAN an IP address that is in the
same
 subnet as the loopback interface.
 Replicate the above configuration on Router at other end of FR network.
 add subnet assigned to far-end routers' loopback interface to local EIGRP
 AS, or RIP; do the same on the far-end routers' config for the same EIGRP
AS
 or RIP configuration.

 And then, configure FR Subinterface with IP Unnumbered Loopback0, and
route
 traffic across the FR network, with the traffic orininating from either
the
 Router, or another host (if configuration above is legal) on the subnet
that
 is assigned to the Loopback interface.

 What I want to do, is configure a VoIP enabled router with a loopback
 interface assigned to 192.168.10.1, and several LAN hosts with the same
 subnet assignment, i.e., 192.168.10.2, .3, .4, etc., and a /24 subnet mask
 for all hosts including loopback interface.
 I then want to create and assign IP Unnumbered loopbackX to a FR P-to-P
 subinterface.

 Create EIGRP AS to route Subnets assigned to loopback interfaces on each
 respective router.

 Mirror image this configuration on the other end of the wire (FR
Network).

 Configure Dial-Peers with VOIP destinations pointing to the loopback
 interface of the peer router (other end of the FR Network).

 Is this Possible??


 The reason why I want to use Loopback interfaces, is because I plan to
 assign a separate subnet to the FastEthernet Interface, and don't believe
 that the use of the Secondary command will work, i.e., you can't specify
IP
 Unnumbered FastEthernet0 and have the Secondary IP address used ip
 unnumbered fastethernet0 will use the FastEthernets' Primary address,
which
 is not desired.

 The Primary Subnet assigned to the FastEthernet Interface will be NAT
 Translating with a PIX FW (PIX will be doing the NAT) to hit the Internet.


 For Topology description:
 Router HQ  connects to internet on one subinterface, while connecting to 3
 remote offices on a private FR network on a second subinterface.
 Router Remote1 Will be connecting to the internet on one subinterface,
while
 connecting back to HQ on separate FR subinterface for VoIP over FR traffic
 only (no Data traffic)
 Router Remote2 will be doing the same as Remote1
 Router Remote3 will also be doing the same as Remote1

 ... So much for a simpler reply. :)

 Thanks in advance for everyones' comments.



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 Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:44 PM
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 Subject: Re: Loopback Interfaces... [7:37933]


 What in the world is the question about, what are you trying to do.
  Ping the remote routers, they have a serial
 interface that you can ping, or the ethernet.  Why do you need a
 loopback, what routing protocol are you
 running, where is a config?  We can't figure out what you are talking
 about, we need your help 

Stacker and Predictor? [7:38286]

2002-03-14 Thread Cisco Nuts

Hello,
Can anyone explain in a simple way (layman's terms) on how Stacker and 
Predictor work?
Thank you.



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RE: Latency in Telnet, intervlan routing [7:38187]

2002-03-14 Thread Ali, Abbas

To add,

Make sure that subnet masks are all configured properly.  Beleive me that
could be the problem. Wrong subnet masks are hidden problems that would
allow you to do certain thing and deny certain things.  It may allow you to
ping, but not to telnet.

Abbas

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Subject: Re: Latency in Telnet, intervlan routing [7:38187]


Here are few things you could look into,

1) Is this a new config.?
2) Did it ever work before? if yes, what changed?
3) Assuming that routing is setup correctly on the Cat5K routing module (if
this is being used),
(a) do you have the right static routing setup on the server to
respond to traffic coming from different  network?
(b) where is your default gateway point to (as next hop) on your
server?
(c) If the server is a unix box, do you have any tcp wrappers? any
ip-chains? any firewall?
4) If everything checks out OK thus far, check for issues with switch and
routing module configuration
5) What are you using to route inter-vlan traffic? is it routing module in
Cat5K or is it external router?
6) If it is internal routing module, have you configured the vlan interfaces
correctly?
7) Once all the end stations are connected, are the vlan interfaces show as
up and up?
8) How about the ip addressing? are all the configurations falling withing
their respective masking bounderies?
9) How about the ACLs?
10) So on and so forth...

I hope that somewhere along this path, you'll find the issue. Please do
share with us what was the resolution.

Tauseef

Mason  wrote in message
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 I do Telnet  from a client on VLAN1 and I reach the server just
 fine. VLAN1 is where the server is also connected to.
 I do Telnet from any other VLAN: Telnet takes a long time, then it times
 out.

 That tells me it is something in the InterVLAN routing. What would be the
 next step to troubleshoot the problem ? I look into the Cat 5000
 configuration but I can't see any relevant changes that caused the
problem.
 If I use a Sniffer, I noticed a delta time larger for the Telnet. However,
I
 don't see any brodcast that could such delay.




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RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]

2002-03-14 Thread Craig Columbus

You'll need to open any ports that you want passed, no matter the 
direction.  You can do this in bulk by specifying access-list inside 
permit ip any any and verifying that the access-list is applied to the 
inside interface with access-list inside in interface inside.  This will 
allow outbound traffic from any inside host and allow established traffic 
to come back in and reach the originator.  You probably don't want to do 
this in practice since it's playing fast and loose with your security.

Hope this helps,
Craig

At 01:42 PM 3/14/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Mark,

My original question that I sent to the group somehow got lost.  Ole was
kind enough to respond to a direct query regarding to some fun I am having
with installing a Pix (501) for the first time.  My firewall background is
SonicWall and Watchguard, both are very simple in configuration and work
directly out of the box.

I was under the impression it was pretty much plug and play, so I decided to
test it by putting it between my PC and the rest of the LAN.  However, after
the initial setup, the Pix passed no information through it.  So I went to a
ping to start the troubleshooting.  The curious (to me) issue was that from
the console or the PDM of the Pix I can ping network addresses on both sides
of the Pix.  From the inside of the Pix, I cannot ping (or browse the web)
through the Pix.  I cannot even ping the outside interface of the Pix from
the inside interface.  The specific question is this ... is additional
configuration of the Pix required to permit access from the inside interface
to the outside interface and beyond?

To expand on the topic you and Ole are discussing, is the use of the
conduits (or access-lists) required for each and every type of service I
want to send from the inside to the outside?  I have no problem researching
the commands to learn how it is done, I just want to make certain I am on
the right path.

Thanks,

Justin


From: Mark Odette II
Reply-To: Mark Odette II
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:45:59 -0500

Forgive me for not reading the book yet, as I've been quite busy too
... but, I have a question in regards to the config line you gave.

I've used the PDM so far to most of the configuration of my PIX, and it
creates access-lists rather than conduits.  I know from others I've talked
with, that Cisco is moving from conduits to access-lists on the PIX
configs... this is the question

I configure to allow ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Echo Reply
ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Time Exceeded
ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Unreachable

Does this do the same thing as what you were saying about conduit permit
any any X??

I think it does, but just want to make sure that I haven't opened up ICMP
completely with it being initiated from the outside.

Thanks!
Mark

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Ole Drews Jensen
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]


Hi Justin,

When you ping, you use the ICMP protocol.

When A pings B, A sends ICMP echo-request (number 8) to B, and B sends ICMP
echo-reply (number 0) back to A.

The PIX does not allow ICMP traffic to come from the outside to the inside,
so to change that, you will need to open up for ICMP number 0 (echo-reply).

The command for that is:

 conduit permit icmp any any 0

This is a good way to do it, because then you allow outside devices to reply
to your request, but they are not allowed to do a PING themself. If you want
PING to work both ways, simply use this command:

 conduit permit icmp any any

Hth,

Ole

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Ole,

Thanks for the reply.  I understand being busy.  I normally try to solve
these things all on my own, but I just don't have the available time.  I
spent six hours on it yesterday.

Justin


From: Ole Drews Jensen
To: 'Justin C'
Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:08:30 -0600

I did receive the message - I do not know why groupstudy did not.

I appologize for not getting back with you yesterday, but I am so busy these
days, as there are many projects I have to finish.

I will see if I can find a couple of minutes to read your entire e-mail from
yesterday, and help you out.

Try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] again.

Ole

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Re: ATM route check [7:38201]

2002-03-14 Thread alex

Hi,
lane uses svc's to build data-direct connections between LECs,
so in principle you can trace the path through all intermediate atm switches
by simply doing show atm vc and writing down all the cross-connects
on the NNI switches. Needless to say, this may take quite a while...

Another method is to simulate (compute) a path by
using pnni command:  show atm pnni dtl node  
executed on the atm switch.
Below is an example:

AMART#sh atm pnni dtl node 25 ubr
AMART#
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET: PNNI: UBR route request from ATM_OWNER_UNKNOWN
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET: PNNI: To node AMERICA
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET: PNNI: selected target node 25
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET:   priority: 2  (25 0) pnni-remote-internal
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET: PNNI: Compute On-Demand Route Based On Admin Weight
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET: PNNI: Found A 3 Hop Route To Destination. Total AW
= 15120
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET: PNNI: SOURCE ROUTE
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET:   DTL 1 4 Nodes
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET:  AMART 8000 (ATM0/0/0)
Mar 14 21:33:37.933 MET:  ALTO 0
Mar 14 21:33:37.937 MET:  PACI 81103000 (ATM2/1/3)
Mar 14 21:33:37.937 MET:  AMERICA 0
Mar 14 21:33:37.937 MET: PNNI: Found 1 Ports To Next DTL Node 9 8000
(ATM0/0/0)
Mar 14 21:33:37.937 MET: PNNI: Send Source Route Reply To Requestor: Code
PNNI_SUCCESS
AMART#

This output shows that the connection for ubr service class from node amart
(8510msr) to node
america (8510msr) has been computed with 3 hops and it goes through two
intermediate switches
(alto and paci, both 8540).
Please read more on atm pnni to get a better understanding of this output.
Cheers,
Alex
==



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 Hi,

 When I use LANE, how can I trace what is the path I take in the ATM
 switches. In ATM switches, if I don't do any config, it will use PNNI,
 right, so that can I know the path exactly.

 Any idea ?

 Ellis




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Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]

2002-03-14 Thread Marc Maxwell

Well I was just contacted by a firm that had a 'recruiter'.  I think it is
some sort of scam, because they don't want to interview people, they just
want to tell you about their company.  Sounds ok, but I think it is some
sort of group presentation along the lines of mlm etc.  The woman said she
got my name off the Internet.  In my case that would pretty much have to be
a job site, since I don't have personal pages etc.  I guess they figure if
you are looking for a job, you might be desperate enough to sign up with
them.  How's THAT for sleazy?

Marc




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Re: Stacker and Predictor? [7:38286]

2002-03-14 Thread Dowey

STAC (LZS) was developed by STAC Electronics, who then changed their name to
Hi/fn, Inc., and is based on the Lempel-Ziv (LZ) compression algorithm.
Although effective, the STAC compression algorithm uses more CPU resources
to perform compression. Cisco IOS software uses an optimized version of STAC
compression.  LZS is available in Cisco's Link Access Procedure, Balanced
(LAPB), HDLC, X.25, and Frame Relay data compression solutions. FRF.9 and
IPComp use the LZS compression algorithm.

The Predictor compression algorithm tries to predict the next sequence of
characters in the data stream by using an index to look up a sequence in the
compression dictionary. It then examines the next sequence in the data
stream to see if it matches. If so, that sequence replaces the looked-up
sequence in the dictionary. If not, the algorithm locates the next character
sequence in the index and the process begins again. The index updates itself
by hashing a few of the most recent character sequences from the input
stream.

- Rich

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Subject: Stacker and Predictor? [7:38286]


 Hello,
 Can anyone explain in a simple way (layman's terms) on how Stacker and
 Predictor work?
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RE: L2 VS L3 EtherChannel [7:38272]

2002-03-14 Thread Jeffrey Reed

Check out the link I pasted in my original email on how to configure a Layer
3 channel.  It shows these commands and a little more:

Router# configure terminal
Router(config)# interface port-channel 1
Router(config-if)# ip address 172.32.52.10 255.255.255.0

I never saw it before...

Jeffrey Reed
Classic Networking, Inc.

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Letterman
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:17 PM
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Subject: RE: L2 VS L3 EtherChannel [7:38272]

You cant set etherchannel to a layer 3 address,
not in any of the cisco switches I had. Its only
a layer 2 link, not a layer 3 link.


Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Jeffrey Reed
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: L2 VS L3 EtherChannel [7:38272]


When would you use Layer 3 EtherChannel? Ive bonded layer two links
together before, but not sure when you could/should use the layer 3
EtherChannel?

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/ios127xe/config/
channel.htm#12748

Thanks!!

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Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]

2002-03-14 Thread MADMAN

 And just so my post has something to do with becoming a CCIE
 
 Can someone tell me the consequences of having a switched network with a
 diameter greater than 7?  Does Spanning-Tree freak out?  Thanks.
 
 Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I
 Network Engineer
 GRC International, Inc., an ATT company

  It means you have, in the worst case scenerio, way to many bridges
between any one host and another.  On A Cisco switch you cannot
configure a diameter greater than 7.  It would be a poor design that
would be difficult to troubleshoot.

  I recall a Networkers session in LA last year on troubleshooting large
swithc networks in which the presenter said something to the effect, if
you have a diameter larger than 7 you have other problems, suggested
that really anymore than around 4 is probably to much.

  Dave
  
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Byte count [7:38294]

2002-03-14 Thread zapeta zape

Hello,
Can anyone guide me where to find a complete list of the average  packet 
size protocol. I know that ip is 1024,dlsw is 512 that is it.
I am taking my lab soon and I would love some help.
Reagrds
Zape

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RE: Management VLANs? [7:38282]

2002-03-14 Thread R. Benjamin Kessler

I think Cisco generally recommends that your switch mgmt interface is on a
different VLAN than your regular (read: end-user/server) devices.  This
helps isolate broadcast/multicast traffic so the switch CPU doesn't have to
process it - especially critical in networks where there is a high
percentage of broadcast/multicast traffic.

Additionally, there's a security component to this line of thinking; if you
have an isolated subnet purely for switch management then you can restrict
(at the router) who is allowed into that network; this is in addition to the
various access controls you can employ on the individual switches.

A word of caution though...I wouldn't recommend that you have a single mgmt
VLAN that spanned your entire network unless you work in a really small
shop - this breaks all sorts of rules in the Core-Distribution-Access
religion and can be difficult to manage.

Last note; I've seen a document (but can't place my fingers on it now) that
recommended that you NOT use VLAN # 1 as your mgmt VLAN.  Unfortunately it
didn't elaborate as to why.

HTH,

Ben


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this isn't a direct CCNP cert question, but I was thinking of trying to make
my network infrastructure easier to navigate.  I was thinking of creating a
VLAN on a certain IP scheme and have each piece of equipment have  a virutal
interface on it.

Am I going about this the right way?  How do some of you address this issue?




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Re: Stacker and Predictor? [7:38286]

2002-03-14 Thread Kris Keen

That explaination from Dowey is straight from the BCRAN book and 100% correct


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Re: RFC on Private IP Address v.s. RIP/IGRP [7:38190]

2002-03-14 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

At 11:16 PM 3/13/02, Chuck wrote:
interesting way to put the question.  but..

172.16.0.0/12 and 192.168.0.0/16 are CIDR notation.

It's also simply a notation used by humans to save on the typing required.

You will often see the private class B addresses listed as

172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255.

That's the same thing as 172.16.0.0/12. Notice that the first 12 bits are 
the same in all the network addresses in the 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 
range, so why not save on some typing?

Priscilla

any subnets within those
ranges would default to the classfull values based upon the first couple of
bits. remembering that 0 in the first position is class A, 10 in the first
two positions indicate class B, and 110 in the first three positions
indicate class C. RIP and IGRP are classful, and would note the classful
values.

and my apologies for putting this answer into the BGP thread. The news
server ate my post, and..



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  If you are all aware of the RFC on Private IP Address allocation, it
  specifies
  that 172.16.0.0 uses /12 and 192.168.0.0 uses /16.
  Now does this mean our old friends RIP and IGRP are aware of this when
they
  perform the First-Octet Rule to apply the mask for these network ranges
  accordingly?
 
  Please someone clarify this subtle issue.
  Thanks.
 
  Elmer


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RE: CLI for 1900 Switch [7:37805]

2002-03-14 Thread Michael Witte

You need enterprise edition IOS software.


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Re: Loopback Interfaces..long reply, read carefully please to [7:38300]

2002-03-14 Thread Tshon

The answer everyone keeps giving you is no.

Mark Odette II wrote:

OK, For some reason, my first time of sending this reply got chopped, so
here it is again.

Brian, et al.,
Please Note the following:

***All I wanted to know was: Can the Loopback Interface be used to host a
complete subnet (and the Router make routing decisions with this inteface),
or is its functionality such that it will always respond like an interface
configured with a 255.255.255.255 mask, and 86 traffic not destined for IT
on the same subnet??

I'm not looking for someone to help me make a completely working config for
all routers in this implementation.

The idea is to do such:

!Interface FastEthernet0
!  description Connected to PIX Outside Interface, and PIX Inside Interface
is subnet for Data traffic.
!  Ip adress x.x.x.x 255.255.255.x

!Interface Loopback0
!  description VoIP subnet with VoIP originating/terminating on this
Router... other hosts also placed on the same subnet at a later date, and
connecting via the Ethernet Port which connects to a switch that the other
hosts are also plugging into.
!  Ip address 192.168.101.1 255.255.255.0

!Interface Serial0
!  NO IP ADDRESS
!  Encap Frame-Relay

!Interface Serial0.1
!  description Connected to the Internet
!  Ip address x.x.x.x x.x.x.252
!  interface-dlci 16

!Interface Serial0.100
!  description Connected to HQ over PVT FR for Voice traffic
!  ip unnumbered loopback0
!  interface-dlci 100
!  {insert Map-Class Tag here}

!{Insert Route-Maps Here}
!{Insert Voice configuration here... a.k.a. Dial Peers}
!{Insert QoS config here... a.k.a. Map Classes}

!Router EIGRP 1750
!Network 192.168.100.0 Brian


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OK, I'll make the question simpler.


Can you use a loopback interface in the same respect that you would use an
ethernet interface?

Create the loopback:  Interface Loopback0
Assign it an IP with a /24 mask : ip address 192.168.10.1
Configure the subnet assigned to the loopback interface to a routing
process, such as EIGRP or RIP.
Assign many other hosts on a LAN or a WAN an IP address that is in the

same

subnet as the loopback interface.
Replicate the above configuration on Router at other end of FR network.
add subnet assigned to far-end routers' loopback interface to local EIGRP
AS, or RIP; do the same on the far-end routers' config for the same EIGRP

AS

or RIP configuration.

And then, configure FR Subinterface with IP Unnumbered Loopback0, and

route

traffic across the FR network, with the traffic orininating from either

the

Router, or another host (if configuration above is legal) on the subnet

that

is assigned to the Loopback interface.

What I want to do, is configure a VoIP enabled router with a loopback
interface assigned to 192.168.10.1, and several LAN hosts with the same
subnet assignment, i.e., 192.168.10.2, .3, .4, etc., and a /24 subnet mask
for all hosts including loopback interface.
I then want to create and assign IP Unnumbered loopbackX to a FR P-to-P
subinterface.

Create EIGRP AS to route Subnets assigned to loopback interfaces on each
respective router.

Mirror image this configuration on the other end of the wire (FR

Network).

Configure Dial-Peers with VOIP destinations pointing to the loopback
interface of the peer router (other end of the FR Network).

Is this Possible??


The reason why I want to use Loopback interfaces, is because I plan to
assign a separate subnet to the FastEthernet Interface, and don't believe
that the use of the Secondary command will work, i.e., you can't specify

IP

Unnumbered FastEthernet0 and have the Secondary IP address used ip
unnumbered fastethernet0 will use the FastEthernets' Primary address,

which

is not desired.

The Primary Subnet assigned to the FastEthernet Interface will be NAT
Translating with a PIX FW (PIX will be doing the NAT) to hit the Internet.


For Topology description:
Router HQ  connects to internet on one subinterface, while connecting to 3
remote offices on a private FR network on a second subinterface.
Router Remote1 Will be connecting to the internet on one subinterface,

while

connecting back to HQ on separate FR subinterface for VoIP over FR traffic
only (no Data traffic)
Router Remote2 will be doing the same as Remote1
Router Remote3 will also be doing the same as Remote1

... So much for a simpler reply. :)

Thanks in advance for everyones' comments.



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What in the world is the question about, what are you trying to do.
 Ping the remote routers, they have a serial
interface that you can ping, or the ethernet.  Why do you need a
loopback, what routing protocol are you
running, where is a config?  We can't figure out what you are talking
about, we 

Re: L2 VS L3 EtherChannel [7:38272]

2002-03-14 Thread Tshon

What you are seeing is that you still have a L2 interface. you have 
combined multiple interfaces into one,
and then assigned the one interface an IP address.

Check CCO on switching.

Jeffrey Reed wrote:

Check out the link I pasted in my original email on how to configure a Layer
3 channel.  It shows these commands and a little more:

Router# configure terminal
Router(config)# interface port-channel 1
Router(config-if)# ip address 172.32.52.10 255.255.255.0

I never saw it before...

Jeffrey Reed
Classic Networking, Inc.

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You cant set etherchannel to a layer 3 address,
not in any of the cisco switches I had. Its only
a layer 2 link, not a layer 3 link.


Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
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Subject: L2 VS L3 EtherChannel [7:38272]


When would you use Layer 3 EtherChannel? Ive bonded layer two links
together before, but not sure when you could/should use the layer 3
EtherChannel?

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/ios127xe/config/
channel.htm#12748

Thanks!!

Jeff
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Re: Management VLANs? [7:38282]

2002-03-14 Thread Tshon

Not sure, I'm understanding your question but try this.


Make all of your switches operate in Vlan 2
all other management protocolsCDP,VTP and such are in VLAN 1
and then use the rest of your vlan for date traffic from hosts.

Michael Kelker wrote:

this isn't a direct CCNP cert question, but I was thinking of trying to make
my network infrastructure easier to navigate.  I was thinking of creating a
VLAN on a certain IP scheme and have each piece of equipment have  a virutal
interface on it.

Am I going about this the right way?  How do some of you address this issue?




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RE: Recommending Books for CCIE [7:38295]

2002-03-14 Thread William Gragido

I have heard good things about the Exam Cram.  If you don't have them
already, i would pick up the Caslow and Doyle books as well.

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Would anyone recommend book(s) to study fo CCIE writen exam?

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Re: Hex to Decimal for the RD [7:38223]

2002-03-14 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

At 09:01 AM 3/14/02, Mckenzie Bill wrote:
Could someone help me get a clear understanding of converting the hex number
to a nice decimal ring number or bridge number.

Two examples that have me stumped are:

F00 and 2f2.

Why would just those two numbers have you stumped? If you can do any 
number, then you can do them all, it seems to me. Were those the ones on 
the test? ;-)

The only weird thing that you might not know, but certainly should know, is 
that a number can only be one digit, so decimal to hex is:

1  = 1
2  = 2
3  = 3
4  = 4
5  = 5
6  = 6
7  = 7
8  = 8
9  = 9
10 = A
11 = B
12 = C
13 = D
14 = E
15 = F

I still remember the first time I heard an IBM customer engineer talk in 
Able Baker Charley, etc. language. I thought he had gone off his rocker.

Other than that, you just have to know what each number place means. On the 
right, 16^0 = the ones (just like 10^0 = the ones in decimal). 16^1 is the 
next place. 16^2 is the next and so on. It's no different than decimal, 
except that you're dealing with groups of 16 instead of 10.

Priscilla


Thanks Everyone in advance.


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Re: Creating Serial cross over cable [7:38280]

2002-03-14 Thread Gaz

I've looked in to it before, quite a while ago when crossover cables didn't
seem to be around and the only cables on the market were the Cisco DCE and
DTE at about 80 quid each.
I messed about with a break out box and multimeter, and found that there
were pins connected in the DCE which weren't in the DTE (or vice versa (or
both)).

At about 20 dollars for a crossover cable it's probably not worth your while
even if you manage to prove me wrong, unless you have a specific reason for
doing it that way.
There are even people on the group that sell them.
I won't advertise at the moment, but I've ordered a couple of hundred
dollars worth this week, so I'll let you know what the service/product is
like when they turn up.

Regards,

Gaz



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 I am trying to figure out my options for creating 60pin serial cross
 over cables.

 If I had 2 cables that are 60pin to 25pin, can I just buy a 25pin
null-modem
 cable, connect them and create a serial crossover?




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Re: Management VLANs? [7:38282]

2002-03-14 Thread Michael Kelker

maybe I'm making this whole thing too complicated.  What if I just put a
loopback interface on each router/switch on a management subnet.

what I'm trying to attempt is to make my entire router / switching structure
easier to access by not having to remember exactly which whole ip address is
for which router, rather could say that's router 10 so it's 10.10.10.10 (as
an example).
Michael Kelker  wrote in message
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 this isn't a direct CCNP cert question, but I was thinking of trying to
make
 my network infrastructure easier to navigate.  I was thinking of creating
a
 VLAN on a certain IP scheme and have each piece of equipment have  a
virutal
 interface on it.

 Am I going about this the right way?  How do some of you address this
issue?




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Re: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]

2002-03-14 Thread Gaz

Once you have your NAT set up, the pix will allow stateful sessions back in
through the firewall, ie. If you browse from inside to outside, the session
will be allowed back in.
Ping (ICMP) is slightly different, it is not a single outgoing session. It
is an outgoing packet followed by a separate reply.

Your conduits or access lists are required only to allow incoming sessions,
or, (in the case of access-lists) if you require to restrict outgoing
sessions.

My technical grammar may be a little off the mark, but it should clear up
the thought process.

Regards,

Gaz


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 Mark,

 My original question that I sent to the group somehow got lost.  Ole was
 kind enough to respond to a direct query regarding to some fun I am having
 with installing a Pix (501) for the first time.  My firewall background is
 SonicWall and Watchguard, both are very simple in configuration and work
 directly out of the box.

 I was under the impression it was pretty much plug and play, so I decided
to
 test it by putting it between my PC and the rest of the LAN.  However,
after
 the initial setup, the Pix passed no information through it.  So I went to
a
 ping to start the troubleshooting.  The curious (to me) issue was that
from
 the console or the PDM of the Pix I can ping network addresses on both
sides
 of the Pix.  From the inside of the Pix, I cannot ping (or browse the web)
 through the Pix.  I cannot even ping the outside interface of the Pix from
 the inside interface.  The specific question is this ... is additional
 configuration of the Pix required to permit access from the inside
interface
 to the outside interface and beyond?

 To expand on the topic you and Ole are discussing, is the use of the
 conduits (or access-lists) required for each and every type of service I
 want to send from the inside to the outside?  I have no problem
researching
 the commands to learn how it is done, I just want to make certain I am on
 the right path.

 Thanks,

 Justin


 From: Mark Odette II
 Reply-To: Mark Odette II
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]
 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:45:59 -0500

 Forgive me for not reading the book yet, as I've been quite busy too
 ... but, I have a question in regards to the config line you gave.

 I've used the PDM so far to most of the configuration of my PIX, and it
 creates access-lists rather than conduits.  I know from others I've talked
 with, that Cisco is moving from conduits to access-lists on the PIX
 configs... this is the question

 I configure to allow ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Echo Reply
ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Time Exceeded
ICMP any(Outside) any(Inside) = Unreachable

 Does this do the same thing as what you were saying about conduit permit
 any any X??

 I think it does, but just want to make sure that I haven't opened up ICMP
 completely with it being initiated from the outside.

 Thanks!
 Mark

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 Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:42 AM
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 Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501 [7:38246]


 Hi Justin,

 When you ping, you use the ICMP protocol.

 When A pings B, A sends ICMP echo-request (number 8) to B, and B sends
ICMP
 echo-reply (number 0) back to A.

 The PIX does not allow ICMP traffic to come from the outside to the
inside,
 so to change that, you will need to open up for ICMP number 0
(echo-reply).

 The command for that is:

 conduit permit icmp any any 0

 This is a good way to do it, because then you allow outside devices to
reply
 to your request, but they are not allowed to do a PING themself. If you
want
 PING to work both ways, simply use this command:

 conduit permit icmp any any

 Hth,

 Ole

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 Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:10 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501


 Ole,

 Thanks for the reply.  I understand being busy.  I normally try to solve
 these things all on my own, but I just don't have the available time.  I
 spent six hours on it yesterday.

 Justin


 From: Ole Drews Jensen
 To: 'Justin C'
 Subject: RE: Question on PIX 501
 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:08:30 -0600

 I did receive the message - I do not know why groupstudy did not.

 I appologize for not getting back with you yesterday, but I am so busy
these
 days, as there are many projects I have to finish.

 I will see if I can find a couple of minutes to read your entire e-mail
from
 yesterday, and help you out.

 Try the 

RE: Recommending Books for CCIE [7:38295]

2002-03-14 Thread Matthew Meiers

Cisco Press TCP/IP Volumes I  II 
CISCO Certification: Bridges, Routers  Switches for CCIEs,
ISBN0130903892
Routing Architectures by Halabi, 157870233X


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Re: Byte count [7:38294]

2002-03-14 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

At 04:15 PM 3/14/02, zapeta zape wrote:
Hello,
Can anyone guide me where to find a complete list of the average  packet
size protocol. I know that ip is 1024

IP usually use 1500 for protocols that send blocks of data, such as FTP and 
HTTP. On the other hand, a lot of Web servers use less to make it look like 
you're getting better performance. (You see the Web page arrive in chunks). 
Telnet sends one character per packet, by default, which adds up to 64 
bytes on an Ethernet segment (it requires padding). DHCP packets are often 
about 200-300. Routing protocols vary. RIP uses 512. Others use 1500. SMTP 
varies. It will send 1500 bytes if the message is that long, but often it's 
not.

In other words, you need to know the application to answer the question. I 
have always claimed, in fact, that an average packet size if a somewhat 
useless statistic. What you really want to know is if applications are 
sending what you expect them to send. (This requires doing a baseline 
analysis.)

In my Top-Down Network Design book, I provide quite a few examples of 
packet sizes for typical applications. That might help you.

dlsw is 512

Really? Why does DLSW use only a 512-byte packet? FTP and HTTP would often 
have to be fragmented if that were the case. I used to know DLSW but I 
don't any more

Priscilla

I am taking my lab soon and I would love some help.
Reagrds
Zape

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Re: Kentrox vs. Adtran CSU/DSU [7:38252]

2002-03-14 Thread nrf

Hehehe.  That's one good reason not to live in New England.


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 TO me a csu is a csu.  I personally don't have any preference, but I do
 prefer being able to configure channels on the front screen as opposed to
 having proprietary cables and wacky key combinations to access menus.  I
 once had to drive 2.5 hours one way in a snow storm to Cape Cod (no I
wasn't
 barefoot and it wasn't up hill both ways  :D ) to reconfigure some
channels
 with ATT only to find out that I didn't have the right cables and
 connectors to do the cut over.

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  I have used Kentrox Satellite 651 CSU/DSU's before but looking at the
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  TSU ACE CSU/DSU. Does anyone have an opinion of the Adtran? It's a
little
  cheaper than the Kentrox and you don't have to buy the cables which are
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FAQ's [7:38311]

2002-03-14 Thread Steven A. Ridder

Has anyone ever attempted to set up a FAQ section on the groupstudy.com
website?  I know that there are afew questions that are asked all the time
such as What equipment do I need for my home lab? or what books do I need
to study for the CCIE exam? etc,., etc.,

I'm pretty certain that the people asking this do not know that these
questions have been asked a million times, so it would be easier to just
send them to the faq site instead of answering them a million times.  Just a
thought.

Paul, maybe you could charge companies to be listed under the What
equipment do I need for my home lab? FAQ on the web site to click to when
they need equipemnt

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OSPF neighbour query [7:38312]

2002-03-14 Thread Chhetri Naresh

HI Guys

I have an OSPF question andmy network setup is as follows:

R1--Switch--R2
R1 has an ip addres of 10.103.56.97/20 and R2 has an ip address of
10.103.56.1/21. Under OSPF the foll network command is present
network 10.103.56.0 0.0.7.255 area 8.
Both the routers are in the same area.
The problem is that they dont form neighbours.
When i ping 224.0.0.5 from both the routers both of them respond and there
is no problem at layer3, ican ping each other.
i did a debug on R1 and get the foll
 OSPF: Mismatched hello parameters from 10.103.56.1
 Dead R 40 C 40, Hello R 10 C 10  Mask R 255.255.248.0 C 255.255.240.0

Its a plain config with no changes to the timer, i am assuming that since
they are a broadcast ospf net work they should form neighbours.

Also the foll output will be helpfull,

R1#FastEthernet1/0 is up, line protocol is up
  Internet Address 10.103.56.97/20, Area 8
  Process ID 65514, Router ID 209.25.40.16, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1
  Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State DR, Priority 1
  Designated Router (ID) 209.25.40.16, Interface address 10.103.56.97
  No backup designated router on this network
  Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5
Hello due in 00:00:03
  Neighbor Count is 0, Adjacent neighbor count is 0
  Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)
-
R2#sh ip ospf in FastEthernet0/0
FastEthernet0/0 is up, line protocol is up
  Internet Address 10.103.56.1/21, Area 8
  Process ID 65514, Router ID 10.96.255.70, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1
  Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State DR, Priority 1
  Designated Router (ID) 10.96.255.70, Interface address 10.103.56.1
  No backup designated router on this network
  Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5
Hello due in 00:00:07
  Index 4/4, flood queue length 0
  Next 0x0(0)/0x0(0)
  Last flood scan length is 0, maximum is 0
  Last flood scan time is 0 msec, maximum is 0 msec
  Neighbor Count is 0, Adjacent neighbor count is 0
  Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)

Pls advise, i am going crazy over it.

Thanks in advance.

cheers
naresh



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Re: OSPF neighbour query [7:38312]

2002-03-14 Thread Steven A. Ridder

the mask is the wrong length.  neighbors have to agree on mask length.

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Chhetri Naresh  wrote in message
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 HI Guys

 I have an OSPF question andmy network setup is as follows:

 R1--Switch--R2
 R1 has an ip addres of 10.103.56.97/20 and R2 has an ip address of
 10.103.56.1/21. Under OSPF the foll network command is present
 network 10.103.56.0 0.0.7.255 area 8.
 Both the routers are in the same area.
 The problem is that they dont form neighbours.
 When i ping 224.0.0.5 from both the routers both of them respond and there
 is no problem at layer3, ican ping each other.
 i did a debug on R1 and get the foll
  OSPF: Mismatched hello parameters from 10.103.56.1
  Dead R 40 C 40, Hello R 10 C 10  Mask R 255.255.248.0 C 255.255.240.0

 Its a plain config with no changes to the timer, i am assuming that since
 they are a broadcast ospf net work they should form neighbours.

 Also the foll output will be helpfull,

 R1#FastEthernet1/0 is up, line protocol is up
   Internet Address 10.103.56.97/20, Area 8
   Process ID 65514, Router ID 209.25.40.16, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost:
1
   Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State DR, Priority 1
   Designated Router (ID) 209.25.40.16, Interface address 10.103.56.97
   No backup designated router on this network
   Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5
 Hello due in 00:00:03
   Neighbor Count is 0, Adjacent neighbor count is 0
   Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)
 -
 R2#sh ip ospf in FastEthernet0/0
 FastEthernet0/0 is up, line protocol is up
   Internet Address 10.103.56.1/21, Area 8
   Process ID 65514, Router ID 10.96.255.70, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost:
1
   Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State DR, Priority 1
   Designated Router (ID) 10.96.255.70, Interface address 10.103.56.1
   No backup designated router on this network
   Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5
 Hello due in 00:00:07
   Index 4/4, flood queue length 0
   Next 0x0(0)/0x0(0)
   Last flood scan length is 0, maximum is 0
   Last flood scan time is 0 msec, maximum is 0 msec
   Neighbor Count is 0, Adjacent neighbor count is 0
   Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)

 Pls advise, i am going crazy over it.

 Thanks in advance.

 cheers
 naresh




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Re: OSPF neighbour query [7:38312]

2002-03-14 Thread Steven A. Ridder

Reading your output further, the router told you that the masks didn't
match:

   OSPF: Mismatched hello parameters from 10.103.56.1
   Dead R 40 C 40, Hello R 10 C 10  Mask R 255.255.248.0 C 255.255.240.0

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 the mask is the wrong length.  neighbors have to agree on mask length.

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 Chhetri Naresh  wrote in message
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  HI Guys
 
  I have an OSPF question andmy network setup is as follows:
 
  R1--Switch--R2
  R1 has an ip addres of 10.103.56.97/20 and R2 has an ip address of
  10.103.56.1/21. Under OSPF the foll network command is present
  network 10.103.56.0 0.0.7.255 area 8.
  Both the routers are in the same area.
  The problem is that they dont form neighbours.
  When i ping 224.0.0.5 from both the routers both of them respond and
there
  is no problem at layer3, ican ping each other.
  i did a debug on R1 and get the foll
   OSPF: Mismatched hello parameters from 10.103.56.1
   Dead R 40 C 40, Hello R 10 C 10  Mask R 255.255.248.0 C 255.255.240.0
 
  Its a plain config with no changes to the timer, i am assuming that
since
  they are a broadcast ospf net work they should form neighbours.
 
  Also the foll output will be helpfull,
 
  R1#FastEthernet1/0 is up, line protocol is up
Internet Address 10.103.56.97/20, Area 8
Process ID 65514, Router ID 209.25.40.16, Network Type BROADCAST,
Cost:
 1
Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State DR, Priority 1
Designated Router (ID) 209.25.40.16, Interface address 10.103.56.97
No backup designated router on this network
Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5
  Hello due in 00:00:03
Neighbor Count is 0, Adjacent neighbor count is 0
Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)
  -
  R2#sh ip ospf in FastEthernet0/0
  FastEthernet0/0 is up, line protocol is up
Internet Address 10.103.56.1/21, Area 8
Process ID 65514, Router ID 10.96.255.70, Network Type BROADCAST,
Cost:
 1
Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State DR, Priority 1
Designated Router (ID) 10.96.255.70, Interface address 10.103.56.1
No backup designated router on this network
Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5
  Hello due in 00:00:07
Index 4/4, flood queue length 0
Next 0x0(0)/0x0(0)
Last flood scan length is 0, maximum is 0
Last flood scan time is 0 msec, maximum is 0 msec
Neighbor Count is 0, Adjacent neighbor count is 0
Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)
 
  Pls advise, i am going crazy over it.
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  cheers
  naresh




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Re: Recommending Books for CCIE [7:38295]

2002-03-14 Thread norco

For the written i probably wouldn;t go with either of Doyles books - save
those for the lab!! :)

The best book is the Caslow book, followed by either the Exam Cram or the
Sybex book (neither of these books are particularly brilliant in their own
write - pardon the pun!but are tailored to the exam and are good as a
revision).

norco


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Re: FAQ's [7:38311]

2002-03-14 Thread John Neiberger

I seem to remember that someone started to put an FAQ together but from
the looks of it they never finished it.  Perhaps someone should start
compiling one again?

Please send all FAQ submissions to Steven at [EMAIL PROTECTED]!   
:-)  Just kidding!

This would be a great idea, though.  I think it would be really nice if
people were forced to read through the FAQ before being allowed to post
the first time.  

John

 Steven A. Ridder  3/14/02 3:41:38 PM 
Has anyone ever attempted to set up a FAQ section on the
groupstudy.com
website?  I know that there are afew questions that are asked all the
time
such as What equipment do I need for my home lab? or what books do I
need
to study for the CCIE exam? etc,., etc.,

I'm pretty certain that the people asking this do not know that these
questions have been asked a million times, so it would be easier to
just
send them to the faq site instead of answering them a million times. 
Just a
thought.

Paul, maybe you could charge companies to be listed under the What
equipment do I need for my home lab? FAQ on the web site to click to
when
they need equipemnt

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RE: Loopback Interfaces..long reply, read carefully please to [7:38317]

2002-03-14 Thread Mark Odette II

Would have been nice if someone actually put it that way... all responses
seemed to be confused as to what I was wanting to do until I put in the form
of my last reply.

Thanks for the input.

Mark
  -Original Message-
  From: Tshon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:11 PM
  To: Mark Odette II
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Loopback Interfaces..long reply, read carefully please to
[7:38285]


  The answer everyone keeps giving you is no.

  Mark Odette II wrote:

OK, For some reason, my first time of sending this reply got chopped, sohere
it is again.Brian, et al.,Please Note the following:***All I wanted to know
was: Can the Loopback Interface be used to host acomplete subnet (and the
Router make routing decisions with this inteface),or is its functionality
such that it will always respond like an interfaceconfigured with a
255.255.255.255 mask, and 86 traffic not destined for ITon the same
subnet??I'm not looking for someone to help me make a completely working
config forall routers in this implementation.The idea is to do
such:!Interface FastEthernet0!  description Connected to PIX Outside
Interface, and PIX Inside Interfaceis subnet for Data traffic.! Ip adress
x.x.x.x 255.255.255.x!Interface Loopback0!  description VoIP subnet with VoIP
originating/terminating on thisRouter... other hosts also placed on the same
subnet at
 a later date, andconnecting via the Ethernet Port which connects to a
switch that the otherhosts are also plugging into.! Ip address 192.168.101.1
255.255.255.0!Interface Serial0!NO IP ADDRESS!  Encap Frame-Relay!Interface
Serial0.1!  description Connected to the Internet!  Ip address x.x.x.x
x.x.x.252!  interface-dlci 16!Interface Serial0.100!description Connected 
to
HQ over PVT FR for Voice traffic!  ip unnumbered loopback0!
interface-dlci 100! {insert Map-Class Tag here}!{Insert Route-Maps
Here}!{Insert Voice configuration here... a.k.a. Dial Peers}!{Insert QoS
config here... a.k.a. Map Classes}!Router EIGRP 1750!Network 192.168.100.0
BrianMark Odette II  wrote in
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OK, I'll make the question simpler.Can you use a loopback interface in the
same respect that you would use anethernet interface?Create the loopback:
Interface Loopback0Assign it an IP with a /24 mask : ip address
192.168.10.1Configure the subnet assigned to the loopback interface to a
routingprocess, such as EIGRP or RIP.Assign many other hosts on a LAN or a
WAN an IP address that is in the
same
subnet as the loopback interface.Replicate the above configuration on Router
at other end of FR network.add subnet assigned to far-end routers' loopback
interface to local EIGRPAS, or RIP; do the same on the far-end routers'
config for the same EIGRP
AS
or RIP configuration.And then, configure FR Subinterface with IP Unnumbered
Loopback0, and
route
traffic across the FR network, with the traffic orininating from either
the
Router, or another host (if configuration above is legal) on the subnet
that
is assigned to the Loopback interface.What I want to do, is configure a VoIP
enabled router with a loopbackinterface assigned to 192.168.10.1, and
several LAN hosts with the samesubnet assignment, i.e., 192.168.10.2, .3,
.4, etc., and a /24 subnet maskfor all hosts including loopback interface.I
then want to create and assign IP Unnumbered loopbackX to a FR
P-to-Psubinterface.Create EIGRP AS to route Subnets assigned to loopback
interfaces on eachrespective router.Mirror image this configuration on the
other end of the wire (FR
Network).
Configure Dial-Peers with VOIP destinations pointing to the
loopbackinterface of the peer router (other end of the FR Network).Is this
Possible??The reason why I want to use Loopback interfaces, is because I
plan toassign a separate subnet to the FastEthernet Interface, and don't
believethat the use of the Secondary command will work, i.e., you can't
specify
IP
Unnumbered FastEthernet0 and have the Secondary IP address used
ipunnumbered fastethernet0 will use the FastEthernets' Primary address,
which
is not desired.The Primary Subnet assigned to the FastEthernet Interface
will be NATTranslating with a PIX FW (PIX will be doing the NAT) to hit the
Internet.For Topology description:Router HQ  connects to internet on one
subinterface, while connecting to 3remote offices on a private FR network on
a second subinterface.Router Remote1 Will be connecting to the internet on
one subinterface,
while
connecting back to HQ on separate FR subinterface for VoIP over FR
trafficonly (no Data traffic)Router Remote2 will be doing the same as
Remote1Router Remote3 will also be doing the same as Remote1... So much for
a simpler reply. :)Thanks in advance for everyones' comments.-Original
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