RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

2003-02-26 Thread Ismail Al-Shelh
As Skarphedinsson told me before about the G.SHDSL 828, he was completely
right.


Cisco 828 and SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers offer an affordable broadband WAN
access solution that can be carried over existing copper telephone lines
(Dry one). The routers provide a symmetrical WAN connection at speeds up to
2.3 Mbps with a 20,000-foot distance limitation.


G.SHDSL standard allow two G.SHDSL routers to directly connect with copper
wiring in a back-to-back configuration. This back-to-back scenario allows
two Cisco 828 or Cisco SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers to connect without a DSLAM or
IP DSL Switch between the units.

Ismail Al-Shelh

Thanks for to Troy, Skarphedinsson, Steve Wilson and all.



-Original Message-
From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

I have read the MXL-2300 Brochure its really not complicated like Cisco DSL
products cause to be honest I have lost in Cisco site searching for the
right product to implement my solution , I am still interested to look for
the equivalent product from Cisco, but if I did not find it then I will go
for MXL-2300.


Thanks for help.


Ismail Al-Shelh


-Original Message-
From: Troy Leliard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

What you want to do is possibleinfact I demo'd something similar.  I 
used the MXL-2300 from tut systems ...

http://www.tutsys.com/mtu/products/ethernetworking/mxl_2300/index.cfm

at anything under 3.5km you can get about 2MB.  I haven't tried it this
using any cisco kit,

Ismail Al-Shelh wrote:
 
 I think I have to refine my question to be clearer
 
 Again
 
 I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
 away via DSL
 without any external service provider (phone company).
 
 
 Two dry copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office
 to the Branch
 office.
 
 
 Is this design going to achieve my goal:
  
 
 Clients PC--Ethernet-dsl router-dry pair of copper
 wiresdsl
 router---Ethernet--Clients PC.
 
 Ismail Al-Shelh
 
 Thanks for your help.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:11 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]
 
 I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
 away via ADSL
 without any external service provider.
 Two copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office to
 the Branch
 office.
  
  
 Is this design going to achieve my goal?
  
 Clients PC--Ethernet--837 ADSL-pair of copper wires837
 ADSL---Ethernet--Clients PC
  
  
  
 Ismail Al-Shelh




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RE: Sniffer Software [7:63796]

2003-02-26 Thread Troy Leliard
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RE: Bridging over point to point [7:63790]

2003-02-26 Thread Troy Leliard
Is your video delivery method unicast or multicast.  If it is multicast you
may need to enable m/cast routing.

Terry Martin wrote:
 
 I have set up in my lab, bridging over a point to point T1.  I
 am now trying to pass video traffic over this link, and it is
 not working.  I can ping from a pc on each side of the bridge,
 but I am having problems with this specific application.  I
 don't think I need to prioritize anything, since video is the
 only traffic.  I do not have any access lists or firewalls set
 up.
 
 Any suggestions?  


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RE: REdistrubution - Two way [7:63827]

2003-02-26 Thread Troy Leliard
Redistributing IGP's into EGP's, while possible is not always the best
solution.  If you IGP (in this case RIP), is not stable it can cause route
flapping in BGP (which has greater consequences than for IGP's. in that
upstream BGP peers would route dampen your flapping routes.)  You would also
want to summarise your routes in BGP (help keep the world a smaller place!),
and having RIP redistribute into BGP may introduce shorter prefixes (of
course this does depend on your exact scenario, as you rip prefix could be a
/16 ;) )

Likewise it depends on what you BGP tables are like...if you are taking full
BGP routes, and try to distribute this into RIP, you RIP domain would really
just fall over.

Once again this is all dependent on what you are trying to achieve .. if you
where providing a L2 tunnels (over your MPLS) between two sites running rip,
(not sure why you would want to redistribute into BGP though), but that
could be one scenario.

What I have tended to do, is have our IGP (OSPF, and in some places EIGRP),
I manually inject our supersets into BGP process using the network command
(with a route to null0 for the superset, so that synchronisation is not a
problem)!  This way BGP only advertises my superset (actually 5 /19
supersets :). That deals with how we advertise our network range to the
world. On the edge routers we then have a default originate route that is
propogated throughout the IGP, and that is how internal devices get out to
the world..  (You can also use HSRP etc)

I know I have gone one a bit, but it is quiet difficult to give any advice
without knowing what the actual requirements are.  As always, this above is
just my thoughts!

Hope this helps ! 
Troy


Metla Venu Gopal wrote:
 
 Hi All
 
 In a single router can I redistribute RIP into BGP and BGP into
 RIP.
 is this allowed. A explanatory notes is appreciated and links
 if any to cisco notes or anywhere is highly applauded.
 thanx
 venu
 


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Conent Switching on LD416's [7:63846]

2003-02-26 Thread Troy Leliard
Hi there all, 

I've got a couple of Local Director's, and am trying to find a way of doing
intelligent layer7) health checks of real servers.  eg for ftp, the LD will
probe port 21 on eht real server...if this port is not in a listening stated
the LD will remove the real server from the binding to the VIP (Virtual
IP)?   There are built in mechanisms to do this probe for HTTP and DNS, but
as yet have not found a way to do it for non-standard services / ports ?

I know you can do this on the CSS's, but not sure about the 4216's.  I have
an open TAC case about this so we'll have a race and see who gets back first
:)
CHeers
Troy



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BGP notification message [7:63847]

2003-02-26 Thread KW S
This is the extract from a show log 

Feb 26 03:37:28: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: received from neighbor 203.162.129.39
4/0 (hold time expired) 0 bytes

Feb 26 03:37:28: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor 203.162.129.39 Down BGP
Notification received

Feb 26 03:46:44: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor 203.162.129.39 Up

1. what is the meaning of BGP-3-notification
2. what is the meaning of BGP-5-adjchange
3. Is there a way to tell what is the error code in this notification
message ?

Can anyone explain the above to me

Thanks a lot

kws 
 


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New CCDP [7:63848]

2003-02-26 Thread Skarphedinsson Arni V.
Please note that under the new structure, Remote Access exam (640-605) will
no longer be a required exam for CCDP. Registration for the current 640-025
exam will end on May 27, 2003, and the existing Cisco Internetwork Design
(CID) course will end-of-life on April 28, 2003. For those candidates who
have already completed the current CID exam, Cisco will recognize Remote
Access and CID exams instead of the ARCH exam until September 1, 2003.


I have a CCNP and am taking the CID today, am I reading the cisco text right
as to If I complet the requierments for the old CCDP before Sept 1. 2003 I
wil be valid as an CCDP and I dont have to recertify until after the normal
amount of time ?


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RE: BGP notification message [7:63847]

2003-02-26 Thread fred barreras
Notification is one of the 4 message types used by BGP.  The other three are
keepalives, open and updates.  Notifications are used to inform the
receiving router of errors.  Looks like neighbor did not respond before hold
down time expired and therefore adjacency was lost and then recovered 9 min
16 sec later.  Hope this helps.


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RE: BGP notification message [7:63847]

2003-02-26 Thread KW S
Hi Fred

Thanks for your reply.

I am trying to find out what causes the peer to lose connection. By looking
at the log,I only know that it was down for 9 mins. No other information is
given in the log.

I know that the notifications message itself has some kind of error code and
sub code that will indicate what is the error

for eg error code of 1 refers to message header error 
error code of 2 refers to open message error
error code of 3 refers to update message and so on

Is there a way where you can see what is the error code in the notification
message ? maybe like doing a debug or something ?

Regards
kws


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RE: BGP notification message [7:63847]

2003-02-26 Thread Troy Leliard
From the cisco website 


Error Message   
%BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor [chars][chars][chars][chars] [chars]

Explanation   A BGP neighbor has either come up or gone down. This message
describes the change for the BGP neighbor and appears only if the
log-neighbor-changes command is configured for the BGP process.

Recommended Action   This informational message normally appears as routers
and BGP neighbors go up or down. However, unexpected neighbor loss might
indicate high error rates or high packet loss in the network and should be
investigated.

Error Message   
%BGP-6-ASPATH: [chars] AS path [chars] received from [chars]: [chars]

Explanation   The remote BGP peer has sent in an update with an invalid AS
path.

Recommended Action   Copy the error message exactly as it appears on the
console or in the system log, contact your Cisco technical support
representative, and provide the representative with the gathered information.

Error Message   
%BGP-3-BADROUTEMAP: Bad parameters in the route-map [chars] applied for
[chars]

Explanation   The route map contains parameters that are incompatible with
the intended operation.

Recommended Action   Correct the route map definition.

Error Message   
%BGP-3-BGP_INCONSISTENT: [chars] Inconsistent [chars]

Explanation   An inconsistency in the data structures has been detected.

Recommended Action   This is a rare situation and is the result of an
internal problem. Copy the error message exactly as it appears on the
console or in the system log, contact your Cisco technical support
representative, and provide the representative with the gathered information.

Error Message   
%BGP-3-DELPATH: Attempted to delete path from an empty net for [chars]

Explanation   A BGP path could not be deleted because of an error.

Recommended Action   Copy the error message exactly as it appears on the
console or in the system log, contact your Cisco technical support
representative, and provide the representative with the gathered information.


KW S wrote:
 
 This is the extract from a show log 
 
 Feb 26 03:37:28: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: received from neighbor
 203.162.129.39 4/0 (hold time expired) 0 bytes
 
 Feb 26 03:37:28: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor 203.162.129.39 Down
 BGP Notification received
 
 Feb 26 03:46:44: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor 203.162.129.39 Up
 
 1. what is the meaning of BGP-3-notification
 2. what is the meaning of BGP-5-adjchange
 3. Is there a way to tell what is the error code in this
 notification message ?
 
 Can anyone explain the above to me
 
 Thanks a lot
 
 kws 
  


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RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

2003-02-26 Thread Albert Lu
Hi,

Is this correct? Has anyone tried this before? If it's true, then it will
really be great!! Imagine being able to replace frame relay, vpn for a
office thats nearby and not have to pay a service provider on a regular
basis for port/pvc/cir charges.

Albert



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Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]


As Skarphedinsson told me before about the G.SHDSL 828, he was completely
right.


Cisco 828 and SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers offer an affordable broadband WAN
access solution that can be carried over existing copper telephone lines
(Dry one). The routers provide a symmetrical WAN connection at speeds up to
2.3 Mbps with a 20,000-foot distance limitation.


G.SHDSL standard allow two G.SHDSL routers to directly connect with copper
wiring in a back-to-back configuration. This back-to-back scenario allows
two Cisco 828 or Cisco SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers to connect without a DSLAM or
IP DSL Switch between the units.

Ismail Al-Shelh

Thanks for to Troy, Skarphedinsson, Steve Wilson and all.



-Original Message-
From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

I have read the MXL-2300 Brochure its really not complicated like Cisco DSL
products cause to be honest I have lost in Cisco site searching for the
right product to implement my solution , I am still interested to look for
the equivalent product from Cisco, but if I did not find it then I will go
for MXL-2300.


Thanks for help.


Ismail Al-Shelh


-Original Message-
From: Troy Leliard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

What you want to do is possibleinfact I demo'd something similar.  I
used the MXL-2300 from tut systems ...

http://www.tutsys.com/mtu/products/ethernetworking/mxl_2300/index.cfm

at anything under 3.5km you can get about 2MB.  I haven't tried it this
using any cisco kit,

Ismail Al-Shelh wrote:

 I think I have to refine my question to be clearer

 Again

 I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
 away via DSL
 without any external service provider (phone company).


 Two dry copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office
 to the Branch
 office.


 Is this design going to achieve my goal:


 Clients PC--Ethernet-dsl router-dry pair of copper
 wiresdsl
 router---Ethernet--Clients PC.

 Ismail Al-Shelh

 Thanks for your help.



 -Original Message-
 From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:11 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

 I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
 away via ADSL
 without any external service provider.
 Two copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office to
 the Branch
 office.


 Is this design going to achieve my goal?

 Clients PC--Ethernet--837 ADSL-pair of copper wires837
 ADSL---Ethernet--Clients PC



 Ismail Al-Shelh




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FW: FW: Ethernet Slot Time and Delay [7:63659]

2003-02-26 Thread Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT
Ms. Oppenheimer

A Collegue of my pointed out to me that my wording my have seemed harsh. And
that is why you slammed me for it. 

I did'nt think of it as a slamming just an expercience tech answering the
newbie's questions. But if I offended you in any way, I apologize. I will
also try and watch the way I word my questions. I know sometimes it seems I
am being argrumentive. Its just when I have an understanding of a certain
technology I tend to defend and back what I understand. I geuss I will work
on that. Well thank you any way for answering by question! 

Thanks you too B.A.




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From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FW: Ethernet Slot Time and Delay [7:63659]

Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT wrote:
 
  500 Meters?? It's 2500 meters. In one example of such a
 network, there can
  be 5 segments, 4 repeaters (hubs), but only 3 segments can
 have end
  systems. That's the infamous 5-4-3 rule. It makes a lot of 
  assumptions. Really, the
  size of the network depends on round-trip propagation delay
 for the
  particular equipment, cables, and cable lengths.
 
 Maybe I was wrong for thinking that. If my net was all 10 Base
 T, then with
 max 5 segments...500 meters. That's were I got that number
 from. Measuring
 the size of the collision domain is well under slot time. So I
 could
 technically extend the size of the network. 

The segment from the hub to the end station might be 100 meters, as that's
how structured cabling is usually done. Between hubs probably isn't 100
meters, for what it's worth. In fact, it might be fiber-optic cabling.

 
 One of the things I ran into was the formula to use to
 calculate the round
 trip delay. With the formula in your book I came up with 210
 bit times round
 trip for 500 meter 4 hub network. But with the definitive
 guide's method I
 got 362 bit times. When I was going back and forth between
 books I think I
 got lost somewhere. For a 100 meter cable they suggest 11.3 bit
 times. While
 you suggest 5 one-way or 10 round trip...very close. But they
 start with a
 base value.
 Example First segment would be 26.55 bit times instead of 11.3.
 The base
 value is 15.25. 15.25+11.3=26.55 bit times for the first
 segment.

Technically, IEEE does say to add some DTE delay time, i.e. time at the
stations themselves, both the sender and receiver. This is all documented in
IEEE 802.3 documents, which are available for free from IEEE. It's not worth
reading though (for this purpose I mean.)

 
 I think I understand the theory behind slot time. It takes a
 station 51.2
 micro seconds to transmit the smallest frame. So station a
 needs to be
 notified by any other station if a collision was to happen
 while it was
 still transmitting. 

That's it.

 So when the first bit of station a's
 preamble hits
 station z (at the other side of the network) rx pins while
 station z was
 transmitting, it's first bit hits the repeater. The repeater is
 going to use
 collision enforcement to make all  stations including station a
 is aware of
 the collision. This must happen before station a finishes
 transmitting the
 smallest Ethernet frame. I think that is it.
 
 So should bit time be the time it takes to transmit the
 preamble and 512
 bits?

The preamble doesn't count. It's used to recover timing. A station or
repeater might not catch all of the preamble. It just has to see the pattern
and the start of frame delimiter. A repeater regenerates the preamble, by
the way.

 
 One more thing...
 
 A proper preamble should look like 10101010 or AA. I'm sure I
 read somewhere
 that a collision would appear with all 5's or C's.

We used to see 55s on old coax networks. Never saw Cs though.

 How would
 that be
 possible if as soon as the repeater detects a collision it
 sends out a jam
 signal out all its ports? 

Then you would see alternating ones and zeros on the end of a frame. I have
seen this, but not recently. My current NIC won't give me bad frames so even
a sniffer doesn't give them to me.

 Also a frame with a bad CRC is
 suspect of a
 collision. 

The frame got damaged when the collision occured.

 How? If you know where I could get more reading on
 this that
 would be great! 

IEEE 802.3.

 
 Thanks for answering my questions!  
 
 
 
 We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act,
 but a
 habit.--Aristotle




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RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

2003-02-26 Thread Albert Lu
Found it on cisco.com

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/800/prodlit/apcnf_an.htm

Sounds great!! If only it could do multipoint rather than only
point-to-point, I guess you can't expect too much from a copper pair. Maybe
cisco can come out with router with multiple g.shdsl interface.

Albert

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]


As Skarphedinsson told me before about the G.SHDSL 828, he was completely
right.


Cisco 828 and SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers offer an affordable broadband WAN
access solution that can be carried over existing copper telephone lines
(Dry one). The routers provide a symmetrical WAN connection at speeds up to
2.3 Mbps with a 20,000-foot distance limitation.


G.SHDSL standard allow two G.SHDSL routers to directly connect with copper
wiring in a back-to-back configuration. This back-to-back scenario allows
two Cisco 828 or Cisco SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers to connect without a DSLAM or
IP DSL Switch between the units.

Ismail Al-Shelh

Thanks for to Troy, Skarphedinsson, Steve Wilson and all.



-Original Message-
From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

I have read the MXL-2300 Brochure its really not complicated like Cisco DSL
products cause to be honest I have lost in Cisco site searching for the
right product to implement my solution , I am still interested to look for
the equivalent product from Cisco, but if I did not find it then I will go
for MXL-2300.


Thanks for help.


Ismail Al-Shelh


-Original Message-
From: Troy Leliard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

What you want to do is possibleinfact I demo'd something similar.  I
used the MXL-2300 from tut systems ...

http://www.tutsys.com/mtu/products/ethernetworking/mxl_2300/index.cfm

at anything under 3.5km you can get about 2MB.  I haven't tried it this
using any cisco kit,

Ismail Al-Shelh wrote:

 I think I have to refine my question to be clearer

 Again

 I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
 away via DSL
 without any external service provider (phone company).


 Two dry copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office
 to the Branch
 office.


 Is this design going to achieve my goal:


 Clients PC--Ethernet-dsl router-dry pair of copper
 wiresdsl
 router---Ethernet--Clients PC.

 Ismail Al-Shelh

 Thanks for your help.



 -Original Message-
 From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:11 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

 I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
 away via ADSL
 without any external service provider.
 Two copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office to
 the Branch
 office.


 Is this design going to achieve my goal?

 Clients PC--Ethernet--837 ADSL-pair of copper wires837
 ADSL---Ethernet--Clients PC



 Ismail Al-Shelh




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RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

2003-02-26 Thread Troy Leliard
NON Cisco, but hey .. tutsytems have a MTU pop (Multi Tenant User),
basically its not multipoint but a chasis that can terminate numberous SDSL
connections over existing copper pair.  The use an eample of puytting one of
these in the basement of a tenant appartment, then using the existing copper
(telephony), you can provide access to all the users in the block (they need
to have a splitter, but thats it!).  Then you would have a single WAN (eg
T1) from the chassis to a provider.

Making use of dark copper / fibre (ie no signalling etc), is a great way to
provide cheap point-to-point links between sites (within the distance
limitations).

Albert Lu wrote:
 
 Found it on cisco.com
 
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/800/prodlit/apcnf_an.htm
 
 Sounds great!! If only it could do multipoint rather than only
 point-to-point, I guess you can't expect too much from a copper
 pair. Maybe
 cisco can come out with router with multiple g.shdsl interface.
 
 Albert
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:32 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch
 [7:63711]
 
 
 As Skarphedinsson told me before about the G.SHDSL 828, he was
 completely
 right.
 
 
 Cisco 828 and SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers offer an affordable
 broadband WAN
 access solution that can be carried over existing copper
 telephone lines
 (Dry one). The routers provide a symmetrical WAN connection at
 speeds up to
 2.3 Mbps with a 20,000-foot distance limitation.
 
 
 G.SHDSL standard allow two G.SHDSL routers to directly connect
 with copper
 wiring in a back-to-back configuration. This back-to-back
 scenario allows
 two Cisco 828 or Cisco SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers to connect
 without a DSLAM or
 IP DSL Switch between the units.
 
 Ismail Al-Shelh
 
 Thanks for to Troy, Skarphedinsson, Steve Wilson and all.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:52 AM
 Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch
 [7:63711]
 
 I have read the MXL-2300 Brochure its really not complicated
 like Cisco DSL
 products cause to be honest I have lost in Cisco site searching
 for the
 right product to implement my solution , I am still interested
 to look for
 the equivalent product from Cisco, but if I did not find it
 then I will go
 for MXL-2300.
 
 
 Thanks for help.
 
 
 Ismail Al-Shelh
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Troy Leliard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:31 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch
 [7:63711]
 
 What you want to do is possibleinfact I demo'd something
 similar.  I
 used the MXL-2300 from tut systems ...
 
 http://www.tutsys.com/mtu/products/ethernetworking/mxl_2300/index.cfm
 
 at anything under 3.5km you can get about 2MB.  I haven't tried
 it this
 using any cisco kit,
 
 Ismail Al-Shelh wrote:
 
  I think I have to refine my question to be clearer
 
  Again
 
  I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
  away via DSL
  without any external service provider (phone company).
 
 
  Two dry copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office
  to the Branch
  office.
 
 
  Is this design going to achieve my goal:
 
 
  Clients PC--Ethernet-dsl router-dry pair of copper
  wiresdsl
  router---Ethernet--Clients PC.
 
  Ismail Al-Shelh
 
  Thanks for your help.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:11 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]
 
  I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
  away via ADSL
  without any external service provider.
  Two copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office to
  the Branch
  office.
 
 
  Is this design going to achieve my goal?
 
  Clients PC--Ethernet--837 ADSL-pair of copper wires837
  ADSL---Ethernet--Clients PC
 
 
 
  Ismail Al-Shelh
 
 


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7204 and 7206 Router Expansion [7:63856]

2003-02-26 Thread R.S.Sundar
Hello All,

I would like to know the possibility of expanding the Cisco 7204 VXR
(NPE-225)
- 6 Slot and cisco 7206 VXR Routers with NPE-400 (6 Slots).

Base configuration:


1. Cisco 7204 VXR Router with NPE-225 I/O slot with 1 Ethernet Interface with
6 Slots-IOS 12.2.4(T)3.

2. 1. Cisco 7204 VXR Router with NPE-400 I/O slot with 1 Ethernet Interface
with 6 Slots-IOS 12.0.4 (XE)

I want to use 4 OC-3 Interface,1 Gigabit interface, 2 Fast Ethernet
interface.
Is this possible to use the above interfaces in both above said router?.
If yes what IOS version required.

Please mail me how many different type of  interfaces can be added to the
available  maximum of 6 slots.

Best Regards,

R.S.Sundar
SSG Manager

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RE: L3 Switching Huh???? [7:63728]

2003-02-26 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
OK, let me try this again.  I am trying to figure out the difference between
conventional layer 3 routing and layer 3 switching.  A little background.  I
am currently working towards my CCNA (have been for about 3 years).  At any
rate, everything I read and look at says that switching/bridging is a layer
2 function, routing is a layer 3 function.  

Either I don't have a good grasp of the OSI model, switching, routing, VLANs
or all of the above.

The network:

Host A  10.1.1.2 MAC 00.AA Host B
10.1.2.2 MAC 00.BB
  |10.1.1.1 MAC 01.AA  10.1.2.1 MAC 02.BB|
 switch A---Router-switch B
10.1.1.0/2410.1.2.0/24

This is an ethernet network.  Both segments are connected by a traditional
router say a 2500. 
In this instance the router interfaces are subnet A 10.1.1.1, and subnet B
10.1.2.1

For simplicity, assume ARP cache is empty.
Host A wishes to ping Host B
End user on Host A enters - ping 10.1.2.2
The IP packet places the source address 10.1.1.2 and the destination address
10.1.2.2 into the packet.
The IP protocol examines the IP address and based on the IP address
determines this is in another subnet.
An ARP request goes out for 10.1.1.1 (default gateway) and the MAC address
is found.
The DLL then places the source MAC address 00.AA and the destination MAC
01.AA into the frame.
The frame then goes out the wire to the destination MAC.
The router interface sees this frame as destined for itself.  It
de-encapsulates the frame removing the MAC addresses.  The router then
examines the IP address, based on the routing table it knows the destination
port.  
The router leaves the same IP source (10.1.1.2) and destination (10.1.2.2)
in the packet.
The frame is rebuilt with the new MAC address of source 02.BB and
destination 00.BB
Host B grabs this packet and does it's thing.

Now, if I replace the router with a 6509 switch, with routing, how does the
process change?
Said 6509 would be equipped with a 10/100 card so that the hosts are now
directly connected.  The router interface is now a virtual interface, there
is no physical interface.  Which is another question.  How does the 6509
determine this virtual address?  

Am I correct?  
Inter VLAN communication cannot occur without a router.
Switching is based on MAC address.
Routing is based on IP address.

I believe the term layer 3 routing is a marketing term, not scientific or
engineering in nature.




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RE: 2950 telnet access is lost after vlans [7:63789]

2003-02-26 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
You will need routing between the VLANs.  If this is done via the uplink you
will also need to do some trunking.  Hope this helps.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 2950 telnet access is lost after vlans [7:63789]


I've lost some telnet access to my 2950 after implementing vlans.

Before - Address 10.0.0.6 was available on vlan 1, which was the default 
vlan for all ports.  telnet was possible into the switch from machines 
connected to any port.

After - Created several vlans (5, 6, 7, and 8) and split the ports among 
them.  Now when I do:
   switch(config)#interface vlan 5
   switch(config-if)#ip address 10.0.0.6 255.255.255.0
   switch(config-if)#no shutdown
the vlan interface that was previously up shuts down and only boxes 
connected to the ports in vlan 5 are able to telnet into the switch.

Is there a way to allow boxes on ports assigned to other vlans to telnet 
into the switch at 10.0.0.6?

James




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RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]

2003-02-26 Thread Albert Lu
Sounds interesting. I'm looking at the IntelliPop 5000. It looks like it's
doing VDSL, and limited to 4000ft. This is probably only suitable for
utilising copper pairs within a building. But it pipes data at up to 26Mbps.
Cisco's G.SHDSL goes alot further but with lesser bandwidth.

Does anyone know if there's a DSL NIC that can go into your PC, rather than
having a CPE device? Also, I'm not too familiar with DSL, but does it allow
a splitter facility which you can split your line for voice and data?

Any ideas how much the Tutsys product costs?

Albert

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]


NON Cisco, but hey .. tutsytems have a MTU pop (Multi Tenant User),
basically its not multipoint but a chasis that can terminate numberous SDSL
connections over existing copper pair.  The use an eample of puytting one of
these in the basement of a tenant appartment, then using the existing copper
(telephony), you can provide access to all the users in the block (they need
to have a splitter, but thats it!).  Then you would have a single WAN (eg
T1) from the chassis to a provider.

Making use of dark copper / fibre (ie no signalling etc), is a great way to
provide cheap point-to-point links between sites (within the distance
limitations).

Albert Lu wrote:

 Found it on cisco.com

 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/800/prodlit/apcnf_an.htm

 Sounds great!! If only it could do multipoint rather than only
 point-to-point, I guess you can't expect too much from a copper
 pair. Maybe
 cisco can come out with router with multiple g.shdsl interface.

 Albert

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:32 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch
 [7:63711]


 As Skarphedinsson told me before about the G.SHDSL 828, he was
 completely
 right.


 Cisco 828 and SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers offer an affordable
 broadband WAN
 access solution that can be carried over existing copper
 telephone lines
 (Dry one). The routers provide a symmetrical WAN connection at
 speeds up to
 2.3 Mbps with a 20,000-foot distance limitation.


 G.SHDSL standard allow two G.SHDSL routers to directly connect
 with copper
 wiring in a back-to-back configuration. This back-to-back
 scenario allows
 two Cisco 828 or Cisco SOHO 78 G.SHDSL routers to connect
 without a DSLAM or
 IP DSL Switch between the units.

 Ismail Al-Shelh

 Thanks for to Troy, Skarphedinsson, Steve Wilson and all.



 -Original Message-
 From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:52 AM
 Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch
 [7:63711]

 I have read the MXL-2300 Brochure its really not complicated
 like Cisco DSL
 products cause to be honest I have lost in Cisco site searching
 for the
 right product to implement my solution , I am still interested
 to look for
 the equivalent product from Cisco, but if I did not find it
 then I will go
 for MXL-2300.


 Thanks for help.


 Ismail Al-Shelh


 -Original Message-
 From: Troy Leliard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:31 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch
 [7:63711]

 What you want to do is possibleinfact I demo'd something
 similar.  I
 used the MXL-2300 from tut systems ...

 http://www.tutsys.com/mtu/products/ethernetworking/mxl_2300/index.cfm

 at anything under 3.5km you can get about 2MB.  I haven't tried
 it this
 using any cisco kit,

 Ismail Al-Shelh wrote:
 
  I think I have to refine my question to be clearer
 
  Again
 
  I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
  away via DSL
  without any external service provider (phone company).
 
 
  Two dry copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office
  to the Branch
  office.
 
 
  Is this design going to achieve my goal:
 
 
  Clients PC--Ethernet-dsl router-dry pair of copper
  wiresdsl
  router---Ethernet--Clients PC.
 
  Ismail Al-Shelh
 
  Thanks for your help.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ismail Al-Shelh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:11 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: ADSL Between Head Office and Remote Branch [7:63711]
 
  I want to connect my branch office with my head office (1.5Km)
  away via ADSL
  without any external service provider.
  Two copper wires are laid physically from the Head Office to
  the Branch
  office.
 
 
  Is this design going to achieve my goal?
 
  Clients PC--Ethernet--837 ADSL-pair of copper wires837
  ADSL---Ethernet--Clients PC
 
 
 
  Ismail Al-Shelh




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Cisco VPN [7:63860]

2003-02-26 Thread Maximus
I don't believe I'm meant to be able to accept incoming VPN requests and
connect to my employer's VPN. Specifically the problem is VPN requests are
serviced on the way in and at the same time I can successfully connect to my
employer's VPN but I can't decrypt the packets coming back from my employer
while I'm configured to accept VPN requests on my external interface (crypto
map statement.)

ODD or just not meant to be?
Maybe its just the level of encryption? Any thoughts?


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RE: L3 Switching Huh???? [7:63728]

2003-02-26 Thread alaerte Vidali
If you are using MSFC2/PFC2, the PFC2 (does layer 3 wirespeed 'forwarding'
between Vlan) will have a FIB (forwarding information base), which is a copy
of the RIB (routing information base). The RIB is built on the MSFC2 (router
functions).

Even the first packet between Vlan 1 and 2 will be wire speed because the
FIB will have an entry saying what is the next hop and the layer 2 header it
should use.


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RE: Voice degradation problem in Cisco VoIP networ [7:63823]

2003-02-26 Thread alaerte Vidali
If you want, send us the configuration (with fantasy addresses) and the
result of show interface and show interface stats.


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Re: 7204 and 7206 Router Expansion [7:63856]

2003-02-26 Thread The Long and Winding Road
the problem with the 72xx series is the limited backplane. Cisco uses a
bandwidth points method for determining numbers and kinds of cards. There
is a left half and a right half and it is strongly recommended that you
do not exceed the bandwidth points for each side.

you may want to try out the Cisco configuration tool, found at:

http://www.cisco.com/appcontent/apollo/configureHomeGuest.html

try out the cards and see what the validation tells you.

so far as I know, the router remains operational if you exceed bandwidth
points. However, if you have performance problems, Cisco will not support
you. It may be that a 7300 might be more appropriate for your high capacity
needs.



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R.S.Sundar  wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Hello All,

 I would like to know the possibility of expanding the Cisco 7204 VXR
 (NPE-225)
 - 6 Slot and cisco 7206 VXR Routers with NPE-400 (6 Slots).

 Base configuration:
 

 1. Cisco 7204 VXR Router with NPE-225 I/O slot with 1 Ethernet Interface
with
 6 Slots-IOS 12.2.4(T)3.

 2. 1. Cisco 7204 VXR Router with NPE-400 I/O slot with 1 Ethernet
Interface
 with 6 Slots-IOS 12.0.4 (XE)

 I want to use 4 OC-3 Interface,1 Gigabit interface, 2 Fast Ethernet
 interface.
 Is this possible to use the above interfaces in both above said router?.
 If yes what IOS version required.

 Please mail me how many different type of  interfaces can be added to the
 available  maximum of 6 slots.

 Best Regards,

 R.S.Sundar
 SSG Manager


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Cannot ping ospf routes from a rip router? [7:63864]

2003-02-26 Thread Cisco Nuts
Hello, I have 3 routers setup, running ospf and rip ver 1 with 2 way
redistribution on the middle router.The ospf routers have loopbacks as
10.8.8.8/24 and 10.9.9.9/24The rip router has a loopback of 10.2.2.2/24.The
middle router running rip has networks 10 and netw 120 defined.I cannot
ping 10.9.9.9 or 10.8.8.8 from the rip routerWithout configuring static
routes, how can I ping these networks?Thank you for your help.Sincerely,CN
Config. on the middle router running both rip and ospf:R1-E#rbr
router ospf 999
 log-adjacency-changes
 redistribute connected subnets
 redistribute rip subnets
 network 120.20.30.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
 network 120.20.40.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
!
router rip
 redistribute connected metric 2
 redistribute ospf 999 metric 2
 network 10.0.0.0
 network 120.0.0.0 From the rip router:R2-B#r
C192.168.10.0/24 is directly connected, Ethernet0
10.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets
C   10.2.2.0 is directly connected, Loopback0
120.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 3 subnets
R   120.20.40.0 [120/1] via 120.20.20.2, 00:00:14, Serial0
R   120.20.30.0 [120/1] via 120.20.20.2, 00:00:14, Serial0
C   120.20.20.0 is directly connected, Serial0 R2-B#ping 10.9.9.9Type
escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.9.9.9, timeout is 2 seconds:
.
Success rate is 0 percent (0/5)
R2-B# Any ideas??



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catOS system prompt [7:63865]

2003-02-26 Thread Eagles Fan
in the process of resolving attribute errors in the ciscoworks rme 
database, I realized that when the system prompt is manually set, it causes 
a conflict with tacacs user and enable passwords.  it appears to be a bug 
with the latest version of RME.  is it possible to clear the system prompt, 
or set it back to default blank ?



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Backup Site - 152Mbps [7:63866]

2003-02-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To build a backup server farm site (22 servers), with maximum requirement
of 152Mbps (peak):

Economic approach:

3640 with ATM module
3550-48-SMI
3 ATM PVCs, to the major points of the backbone (LS1010 switches and
6509-FlexWan ATM card); each PVC 5 Mbps SCR.

Robust and Scalable approach:

6006 with ATM module


The peak is considering the maximum rate if all servers were accessed at
the same time (based on MRTG daily statistics).

Any thoughts?




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RE: Cannot ping ospf routes from a rip router? [7:63864]

2003-02-26 Thread Andrew Larkins
please send the rest of the config so we can have a look.

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Sent: 26 February 2003 16:31
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Subject: Cannot ping ospf routes from a rip router? [7:63864]


Hello, I have 3 routers setup, running ospf and rip ver 1 with 2 way
redistribution on the middle router.The ospf routers have loopbacks as
10.8.8.8/24 and 10.9.9.9/24The rip router has a loopback of 10.2.2.2/24.The
middle router running rip has networks 10 and netw 120 defined.I cannot
ping 10.9.9.9 or 10.8.8.8 from the rip routerWithout configuring static
routes, how can I ping these networks?Thank you for your help.Sincerely,CN
Config. on the middle router running both rip and ospf:R1-E#rbr
router ospf 999
 log-adjacency-changes
 redistribute connected subnets
 redistribute rip subnets
 network 120.20.30.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
 network 120.20.40.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
!
router rip
 redistribute connected metric 2
 redistribute ospf 999 metric 2
 network 10.0.0.0
 network 120.0.0.0 From the rip router:R2-B#r
C192.168.10.0/24 is directly connected, Ethernet0
10.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets
C   10.2.2.0 is directly connected, Loopback0
120.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 3 subnets
R   120.20.40.0 [120/1] via 120.20.20.2, 00:00:14, Serial0
R   120.20.30.0 [120/1] via 120.20.20.2, 00:00:14, Serial0
C   120.20.20.0 is directly connected, Serial0 R2-B#ping 10.9.9.9Type
escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.9.9.9, timeout is 2 seconds:
.
Success rate is 0 percent (0/5)
R2-B# Any ideas??



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Re: 7204 and 7206 Router Expansion [7:63856]

2003-02-26 Thread MADMAN
R.S.Sundar wrote:
 Hello All,
 
 I would like to know the possibility of expanding the Cisco 7204 VXR
 (NPE-225)
 - 6 Slot

   The 7204 has 4 slots and a VXR with a NPE225 does not fully utilize 
the VXR backplane capabilities, you need at least a NPE300

  and cisco 7206 VXR Routers with NPE-400 (6 Slots).

   Do a search on CCO, keywords bandwidth points and the first hit you 
will get a very informative powerpoint presentation.  With all the high 
speed inetrfaces your proposing you could easily exceed the recommended 
points.  With the NPE225 instead of calculating points you are limited 
by the number of high, medium and low PA's.

   Dave

 
 Base configuration:
 
 
 1. Cisco 7204 VXR Router with NPE-225 I/O slot with 1 Ethernet Interface
with
 6 Slots-IOS 12.2.4(T)3.
 
 2. 1. Cisco 7204 VXR Router with NPE-400 I/O slot with 1 Ethernet Interface
 with 6 Slots-IOS 12.0.4 (XE)
 
 I want to use 4 OC-3 Interface,1 Gigabit interface, 2 Fast Ethernet
 interface.
 Is this possible to use the above interfaces in both above said router?.
 If yes what IOS version required.
 
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RE: Sniffer Software [7:63796]

2003-02-26 Thread Arnold, Jamie
Or NGSSniff..also free and works without a driver.

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Why not try ethereal .. its free!!

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RE: L3 Switching Huh???? [7:63728]

2003-02-26 Thread Evans, TJ (BearingPoint)
That all looks pretty good ...


On the MSFC/RSM - do a show interface:  (edited for length)
Vlan8 is up, line protocol is up 
  Hardware is Cat6k RP Virtual Ethernet, address is 00d0.d335.6614 

Vlan9 is up, line protocol is up 
  Hardware is Cat6k RP Virtual Ethernet, address is 00d0.d335.6614 
So ... each 'router interface' has a MAC.  The fact that it is the same is
irrelevant as they are on different network/logical segments .

So the frame comes in with a destination mac of 00d0.d335.6614, and when
forwarded will leave with a source mac of 00d0.d335.6614 (same) ...

Does that help?

Oh - and I think you meant to say layer 3 switching is a marketing term,
not scientific or engineering in nature. ... you said layer 3 routing ... 
Thanks!
TJ
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Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: L3 Switching Huh [7:63728]

OK, let me try this again.  I am trying to figure out the difference between
conventional layer 3 routing and layer 3 switching.  A little background.  I
am currently working towards my CCNA (have been for about 3 years).  At any
rate, everything I read and look at says that switching/bridging is a layer
2 function, routing is a layer 3 function.  

Either I don't have a good grasp of the OSI model, switching, routing, VLANs
or all of the above.

The network:

Host A  10.1.1.2 MAC 00.AA Host B
10.1.2.2 MAC 00.BB
  |10.1.1.1 MAC 01.AA  10.1.2.1 MAC 02.BB|
 switch A---Router-switch B
10.1.1.0/2410.1.2.0/24

This is an ethernet network.  Both segments are connected by a traditional
router say a 2500. 
In this instance the router interfaces are subnet A 10.1.1.1, and subnet B
10.1.2.1

For simplicity, assume ARP cache is empty.
Host A wishes to ping Host B
End user on Host A enters - ping 10.1.2.2
The IP packet places the source address 10.1.1.2 and the destination address
10.1.2.2 into the packet.
The IP protocol examines the IP address and based on the IP address
determines this is in another subnet.
An ARP request goes out for 10.1.1.1 (default gateway) and the MAC address
is found.
The DLL then places the source MAC address 00.AA and the destination MAC
01.AA into the frame.
The frame then goes out the wire to the destination MAC.
The router interface sees this frame as destined for itself.  It
de-encapsulates the frame removing the MAC addresses.  The router then
examines the IP address, based on the routing table it knows the destination
port.  
The router leaves the same IP source (10.1.1.2) and destination (10.1.2.2)
in the packet.
The frame is rebuilt with the new MAC address of source 02.BB and
destination 00.BB
Host B grabs this packet and does it's thing.

Now, if I replace the router with a 6509 switch, with routing, how does the
process change?
Said 6509 would be equipped with a 10/100 card so that the hosts are now
directly connected.  The router interface is now a virtual interface, there
is no physical interface.  Which is another question.  How does the 6509
determine this virtual address?  

Am I correct?  
Inter VLAN communication cannot occur without a router.
Switching is based on MAC address.
Routing is based on IP address.

I believe the term layer 3 routing is a marketing term, not scientific or
engineering in nature.
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RE: L3 Switching Huh???? [7:63728]

2003-02-26 Thread Steve Wilson
Charles,
The 6509 switch needs some configuration in the background to create a
virtual router. This virtual router has virtual interfaces that would
mimic the default gateways IP addresses of the physical 2500 router and
therefore pass traffic between the virtual interfaces. The two subnets that
you list would be on different VLANs on the switch. It would look like the
packets are only going from one interface on the switch to the other and
back again, but in reality they are passing through the virtual router
created on a route processing piece of software. This would be on a
multi-layer switch module or similar. Layer 2 = MAC addresses, layer 3 = IP
addresses. To get between IP subnets you need a routing function which is
either provided by a physical router or a virtual router which routes
between virtual LANs created by software.
This is not the definitive answer but hopefully it clears away some of the
mud.

Cheers,
Steve Wilson
Network Engineer

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From: DeVoe, Charles (PKI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 26 February 2003 12:45
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: L3 Switching Huh [7:63728]

OK, let me try this again.  I am trying to figure out the difference between
conventional layer 3 routing and layer 3 switching.  A little background.  I
am currently working towards my CCNA (have been for about 3 years).  At any
rate, everything I read and look at says that switching/bridging is a layer
2 function, routing is a layer 3 function.  

Either I don't have a good grasp of the OSI model, switching, routing, VLANs
or all of the above.

The network:

Host A  10.1.1.2 MAC 00.AA Host B
10.1.2.2 MAC 00.BB
  |10.1.1.1 MAC 01.AA  10.1.2.1 MAC 02.BB|
 switch A---Router-switch B
10.1.1.0/2410.1.2.0/24

This is an ethernet network.  Both segments are connected by a traditional
router say a 2500. 
In this instance the router interfaces are subnet A 10.1.1.1, and subnet B
10.1.2.1

For simplicity, assume ARP cache is empty.
Host A wishes to ping Host B
End user on Host A enters - ping 10.1.2.2
The IP packet places the source address 10.1.1.2 and the destination address
10.1.2.2 into the packet.
The IP protocol examines the IP address and based on the IP address
determines this is in another subnet.
An ARP request goes out for 10.1.1.1 (default gateway) and the MAC address
is found.
The DLL then places the source MAC address 00.AA and the destination MAC
01.AA into the frame.
The frame then goes out the wire to the destination MAC.
The router interface sees this frame as destined for itself.  It
de-encapsulates the frame removing the MAC addresses.  The router then
examines the IP address, based on the routing table it knows the destination
port.  
The router leaves the same IP source (10.1.1.2) and destination (10.1.2.2)
in the packet.
The frame is rebuilt with the new MAC address of source 02.BB and
destination 00.BB
Host B grabs this packet and does it's thing.

Now, if I replace the router with a 6509 switch, with routing, how does the
process change?
Said 6509 would be equipped with a 10/100 card so that the hosts are now
directly connected.  The router interface is now a virtual interface, there
is no physical interface.  Which is another question.  How does the 6509
determine this virtual address?  

Am I correct?  
Inter VLAN communication cannot occur without a router.
Switching is based on MAC address.
Routing is based on IP address.

I believe the term layer 3 routing is a marketing term, not scientific or
engineering in nature.




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RE: 7206 adding VIP cards [7:63673]

2003-02-26 Thread Arnold, Jamie
One of the Pas did in fact work.  The tech I had install them saw the
console message that said shutting down all interfaces, but it was on the
new card!  This was a 100Mb card.  The 8 port 10Mb card is the one that
gives a console message saying that it needs a HW revision to work in the
7206 VXR.

Here are the part numbers (nothing on the front of the card)
73-1391-07 REV A0 (on PCB)

I guess this needs the HW rev..

J



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To: Arnold, Jamie
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Subject: Re: 7206 adding VIP cards [7:63673]



   I ASSume you mean PA's not VIPs ;)

   What is the part number of the two PA's?  Some PA's that play well 
with VIPs need a differant HW revision in order to work on a 7200. 
Other than that you should be able to do OIR but it wouldn't be the 
first time I have seen OIR not work:(

   Dave

Arnold, Jamie wrote:
 I have a couple of VIP cards from an old 7010 that are (according to 
 Cisco) compatible with a new 7206.  One is a single, copper 100Mb card 
 and the other is a 4 port 10Bt card.  I am supposed to be able to add 
 them hot to the new 7206, but when I tried this I got the message on 
 the console that all interfaces are being disabledand they were!  
 I didn't wait very long to see if they would come back upon their own, 
 but this does not seem like the expected behavior.  Can anyone comment 
 on this?  I plan to try again and try to administratively bring the 
 interfaces back up.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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??? IS-IS ??? [7:63875]

2003-02-26 Thread Steven Aiello
Hello All,

   I'm wondering was IS-IS is.  No pun intended.  I'm assuming it's a 
routing protocol?  I've gone through Cisco, CCNA acad. and have my CCNA 
and I've even started going over Semester 5 for the CCNP, but IS-IS is 
no where to be found...  Is this a new protocol?  Or does someone know 
where I can find a good over view?

Thanks for brain food,
Steve




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Re: Backup Site - 152Mbps [7:63866]

2003-02-26 Thread The Long and Winding Road
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 To build a backup server farm site (22 servers), with maximum requirement
 of 152Mbps (peak):

 Economic approach:

 3640 with ATM module
 3550-48-SMI
 3 ATM PVCs, to the major points of the backbone (LS1010 switches and
 6509-FlexWan ATM card); each PVC 5 Mbps SCR.

 Robust and Scalable approach:

 6006 with ATM module


 The peak is considering the maximum rate if all servers were accessed at
 the same time (based on MRTG daily statistics).

 Any thoughts?


based on my experience, the 3640 may not give you the performance you
require. especially if you are using any access-lists, route-maps, QoS.

Also, with your peaks at well over 100 meg, you might want to consider a gig
interface on the LAN side.

a thought - use a dual ethernet router like a 3745 ( twice the performance
of the 3640 ) in combination with the switch ( which can easily handle the
load ) put your servers into two subnets / vlans and do quasi-load-sharing
across those two ethernet interfaces. depends on your traffic requirements.




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Re: ??? IS-IS ??? [7:63875]

2003-02-26 Thread The Long and Winding Road
yes it is a routing protocol. it has been around a while. as good a place as
any to start is Radia Perlman's Interconnections book.

Cisco's web site has some resources:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/ip_c
/ipcprt2/1cdisis.htm

Doyle's book is OK.


Steven Aiello  wrote in message
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 Hello All,

I'm wondering was IS-IS is.  No pun intended.  I'm assuming it's a
 routing protocol?  I've gone through Cisco, CCNA acad. and have my CCNA
 and I've even started going over Semester 5 for the CCNP, but IS-IS is
 no where to be found...  Is this a new protocol?  Or does someone know
 where I can find a good over view?

 Thanks for brain food,
 Steve




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Re: Cannot ping ospf routes from a rip router? [7:63864]

2003-02-26 Thread The Long and Winding Road
Cisco Nuts  wrote in message
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 Hello, I have 3 routers setup, running ospf and rip ver 1 with 2 way
 redistribution on the middle router.The ospf routers have loopbacks as
 10.8.8.8/24 and 10.9.9.9/24The rip router has a loopback of
10.2.2.2/24.The
 middle router running rip has networks 10 and netw 120 defined.I cannot
 ping 10.9.9.9 or 10.8.8.8 from the rip routerWithout configuring static
 routes, how can I ping these networks?Thank you for your help.Sincerely,CN
 Config. on the middle router running both rip and ospf:R1-E#rbr
 router ospf 999
  log-adjacency-changes
  redistribute connected subnets
  redistribute rip subnets
  network 120.20.30.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
  network 120.20.40.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
 !
 router rip
  redistribute connected metric 2
  redistribute ospf 999 metric 2
  network 10.0.0.0
  network 120.0.0.0 From the rip router:R2-B#r
 C192.168.10.0/24 is directly connected, Ethernet0
 10.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets
 C   10.2.2.0 is directly connected, Loopback0
 120.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 3 subnets
 R   120.20.40.0 [120/1] via 120.20.20.2, 00:00:14, Serial0
 R   120.20.30.0 [120/1] via 120.20.20.2, 00:00:14, Serial0
 C   120.20.20.0 is directly connected, Serial0 R2-B#ping 10.9.9.9Type
 escape sequence to abort.
 Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.9.9.9, timeout is 2 seconds:
 .
 Success rate is 0 percent (0/5)
 R2-B# Any ideas??


I don't see any OSPF routes anywhere.  The redistribution router should have
the OSPF routes 10.8.8.8/24 and 10.9.9.9/24, in addition to the RIP routes
you are showing.

check the OSPF config between the redistribution router and the OSPF router.




 

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RE: The CCNP BSIN ( I Think Exam ) [7:63749]

2003-02-26 Thread Daniel Cotts
There are two Cisco Press books that cover Semester Five.
CCNP Cisco Networking Academy Program:
Semester Five Lab Companion ISBN 1578702348
Semester Five Companion Guide Advanced Routing ISBN 1587130114

 -Original Message-
 From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:59 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: The CCNP BSIN ( I Think Exam ) [7:63749]
 
 
 Where could someone get the Cisco Academy Semester 5  - 
 Advanced Routing
 materials? I'm curious as to what their labs are like.
 
 Shawn K. 
   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:39 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: The CCNP BSIN ( I Think Exam ) [7:63749]
 
 It's the BSCI (Building Scalable Cisco Internetworks) exam  - 
 640-901. I
 took it about three weeks ago. It was tough for me but then I 
 don't get as
 much real-world hands on experience with routing protocols 
 and such as I'd
 like.
 
 For info check here:
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testin
 g/current_exam
 s/640-901.html
 
 
 There is a new book out for the BSCI test
 http://www.ciscopress.com/catalog/product.asp?product_id={E9CB
 CDAF-77DF-468E
 -B2F6-C902C0B78D6F}
 
 but I used the old for the the BSCN test and the info from 
 here at Cisco on
 IS-IS:
 http://www.ciscopress.com/content/images/1578702283/downloads/
 2283newchap2.p
 df?session_id={191E20FE-35FE-420B-94D2-D7BAA31347FC} and it 
 worked out OK
 for me.
 
 I had 57 questions. Passing score was 700 out of 1000. I 
 passed but I ain't
 bragging about my score.
 Strange as it might sound, most of my routing test was on 
 routing protocols.
 It was very pretty evenly spread between OSPF, BGP and IS-IS. 
 Know them.
 Really know IS-IS. Probably 20% of my test was on IS-IS. I was told to
 expect 3 or 4 questions max on it but I had a lot more on 
 mine. Understand
 CLNP and CLNS. Had some questions on VLSM, redistributing and 
 optimizing
 routes, RIP2, EIGRP too - basically everything in the BSCN 
 book and from the
 pdf above. If you have access to a real lab or have one of 
 your own (thank
 you, eBay) you will be way ahead of the game. If you do, get the Cisco
 Academy Semester 5  - Advanced Routing - info and do all the 
 labs in there.
 If you can't actually do them then study them. Don't know 
 anything about the
 router sims available. They may be a decent alternative to 
 having access to
 routers.  Someone else may be able to speak to that. Get 
 familiar with the
 commands to accomplish tasks within the individual protocols. 
 There's a lot
 of memorization in this test. It covers a lot of ground. And 
 my test covered
 a lot of some of it and a little of all of the rest of it. 
 Only surprise I
 had was how much IS-IS was on the test.
 
 Boson, Fravo and TestKing make some decent practice tests 
 too. Any one of
 them would probably do as they're all pretty similar.
 
 
 Good luck.
 
 
 Mark
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 Steven Aiello
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:23 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: The CCNP BSIN ( I Think Exam ) [7:63749]
 
 
 I have been readibng through the boards and from what I've 
 seen the new
 CCNP Routing exam seems to be a bear.  This is the next test I am
 studying for.  Any one out there that have passed the test, that can
 give me a generally study out line?  Also what books or test prep did
 you use.
 
 You guys ( and ladies ) are all great,
 Steve




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Re: Backup Site - 152Mbps [7:63866]

2003-02-26 Thread Troy Leliard
I'm never a big fan of having backup sites that lie active | standby!  You
may want to look at getting a CSS and doing GSLB (Global Server Load
Balancing!)

Anyway, back to your question ...How much of the traffic is local ?  You say
that you have a peak of 152MB's, but you will only have 3 x 5MB PVC's coming
into the server farm?  Do you have a lot of traffic between the servers
??  If not a 3620 would even be sufficient, with ATM interface and FE
interface.  It also depends on how much reslience you would like in this
backup site? .

I have a similar scenario, where I make use of a 3620, with 100FX, and 100TX
interfaces, going to a 3548G-L3, and fom there into server / user vlans etc!

Cheers
Troy


The Long and Winding Road wrote:
 
  wrote in message
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To build a backup server farm site (22 servers), with maximum
 requirement
  of 152Mbps (peak):
 
  Economic approach:
 
  3640 with ATM module
  3550-48-SMI
  3 ATM PVCs, to the major points of the backbone (LS1010
 switches and
  6509-FlexWan ATM card); each PVC 5 Mbps SCR.
 
  Robust and Scalable approach:
 
  6006 with ATM module
 
 
  The peak is considering the maximum rate if all servers were
 accessed at
  the same time (based on MRTG daily statistics).
 
  Any thoughts?
 
 
 based on my experience, the 3640 may not give you the
 performance you
 require. especially if you are using any access-lists,
 route-maps, QoS.
 
 Also, with your peaks at well over 100 meg, you might want to
 consider a gig
 interface on the LAN side.
 
 a thought - use a dual ethernet router like a 3745 ( twice the
 performance
 of the 3640 ) in combination with the switch ( which can easily
 handle the
 load ) put your servers into two subnets / vlans and do
 quasi-load-sharing
 across those two ethernet interfaces. depends on your traffic
 requirements.
 
 


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Re: REdistrubution - Two way [7:63827]

2003-02-26 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 5:14 AM + 2/26/03, Metla Venu Gopal wrote:
Its on a real life scenario implementing MPLS

Dont you thins there will be any kinda of problems when you redistrubute RIP
V2 stuff in BGP and again redistribute the same into RIP.
Doesnt that cause any problem  taking into consideration the amount of
routing table and the process and other issues.

thanks
venu

Could you explain the topology?  It's usually very rare to need to 
redistribute other than the default out of BGP, at least in any 
plausible scenario where RIP could be making useful contributions.

I'd be very worried, due to convergence time characteristics, of 
using RIP with MPLS.




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Re: Sniffer Software [7:63796]

2003-02-26 Thread PacketEXPERTS
Thank for getting back to me, okay this is what I am
seeing:

NetXray and Sniffer Pro work fine in 98, but when I
try to load them onto a coupter running XP, it stops
the install dead in its tracks and tell me to get an
XP verision of the software.

= = = Original message = = =

Works fine for me. What is the issue you are having?
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Subject: Sniffer Software [7:63796]


 Have anyone gotten NetXray 3.0 or Sniffer Pro 4.5 to
 work with XP.

 Thanks


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RE: L3 Switching Huh???? [7:63728]

2003-02-26 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 12:45 PM + 2/26/03, DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
OK, let me try this again.  I am trying to figure out the difference between
conventional layer 3 routing and layer 3 switching.  A little background.  I
am currently working towards my CCNA (have been for about 3 years).  At any
rate, everything I read and look at says that switching/bridging is a layer
2 function, routing is a layer 3 function. 

Either I don't have a good grasp of the OSI model, switching, routing, VLANs
or all of the above.


No, it's not you. It's that Cisco marketing (in fairness, in response 
to competitive marketdroids then at Cabletron, Synoptics, etc.) 
doesn't care to apply a knowledge of this model and likes the 
industry flavor of switch fast router slow.

Relay destination lookup time simply is not a major problem in router 
design. At one point, it was, but as router implementers started 
using faster lookup approaches, the lookup time pales into 
insignificance compared to things like traffic shaping/policing, 
accounting, etc.

Abraham Lincoln once said, If you call a horse's tail a leg, how 
many legs does a horse have?  The audience mumbled five, and he 
replied No. Calling a tail a leg does not make it one.

Calling a nonspecific family of routing implementation techniques L3 
switching doesn't make them anything other than routing.




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DOES MED TRAVEL IN I-BGP?? [7:63884]

2003-02-26 Thread ciscoGo2002
Hello folks,
I have a question for you about MED.

Suppose the following lab:


   ROUTER A  ROUTER B

   ROUTER C

   


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RE: 7206 adding VIP cards [7:63673]

2003-02-26 Thread tu do
Jamie wrote:
The 8 port 10Mb card is the one that 
gives a console message saying that it needs a HW revision to work in the 
7206 VXR.

The PAs have compatible issues with 7200VXR. Only the PAs those said VXR
compatible work on 7200VXR. The older's work on 7K, 75xx, or c5rsm only.

There are good sources at cisco.com

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PIX [7:63885]

2003-02-26 Thread Manny
Hello group,

This is what I have in my PIX log. The 64.74.xx.xx is a VPN gateway that has
an interface on the outside and an interface on the inside. The outside IP
is the 64.74.xx.xx and the inside has a 172.xx.xx.xx address. The
24.46.xx.xx is a user trying to connect to the gateway. The traffic should
not be hitting the PIX at all since the 64.74.xx.xx address is in front of
the PIX. Any ideas?


02-26-2003 09:08:26 Local.Error 172.30.136.140 %PIX-3-106011: Deny inbound
(No xlate) udp src outside:64.74.32.227/2233 dst outside:24.46.208.95/2233
02-26-2003 09:08:27 Local4.Error 172.30.136.140 %PIX-3-106011: Deny inbound
(No xlate) udp src outside:64.74.32.227/2233 dst outside:24.46.208.95/2233
02-26-2003 09:08:29 Local4.Error 172.30.136.140 %PIX-3-106011: Deny inbound
(No xlate) udp src outside:64.74.32.227/2233 dst outside:24.46.208.95/2233
02-26-2003 09:08:33 Local4.Error 172.30.136.140 %PIX-3-106011: Deny inbound
(No xlate) udp src outside:64.74.32.227/2233 dst outside:217.34.254.243/2233




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Scheduling Timed FTP [7:63886]

2003-02-26 Thread Peter P
We wish to occasionally have a router perform a large FTP download. The
router needs to have a low priority applied to this transfer in order to not
cause outage to other time sensitive applications that are running
concurrently. Obviously we can configure priority queuing or some such
similar traffic shaping methodology. However we want to have this scheduled
by some sort of timer. I cant think of an IOS based way of doing this but
are there any apps or add-ons (Cisco works ?) that could handle the timing
side of this problem ?
Thanks in advance.
Peter


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Re: 7204 and 7206 Router Expansion [7:63856]

2003-02-26 Thread MADMAN
 so far as I know, the router remains operational if you exceed bandwidth
 points. However, if you have performance problems, Cisco will not support
 you. 

   You are correct as I have run a 7206 beyond the recommended points, 
you just have to ignore the error messages and not cry to Cisco if you 
have issues!!



  Dave


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Wildcard Masking on the BSIN Exam [7:63887]

2003-02-26 Thread Steven Aiello
Any one know if they cover wild card masking in depth on the BSIN Exam?

Thanks,
Steve




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Re: 7204 and 7206 Router Expansion [7:63856]

2003-02-26 Thread M.C. van den Bovenkamp
MADMAN wrote:

You are correct as I have run a 7206 beyond the recommended points, 
 you just have to ignore the error messages and not cry to Cisco if you 
 have issues!!

Same here. Those 'points' are just guidelines; all that happens if you 
go over them, is that you run the risk of *potentially* oversubscribing 
the backplane.

Regards,

Marco.




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RE: ??? IS-IS ??? [7:63875]

2003-02-26 Thread Mike Bernico
Check Jeff Doyle's Routing TCP/IP vol I.  It has some good information
on IS-IS.   IS-IS is a link state routing protocol that is very popular
with large ISPs.  I'm actually a big fan.  OSPF is great too though,
don't get me wrong.  

You can also learn more about how ISPs use it at www.nanog.org.  Look
under I in their presentation topics.  

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From: Steven Aiello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ??? IS-IS ??? [7:63875]

Hello All,

   I'm wondering was IS-IS is.  No pun intended.  I'm assuming it's a 
routing protocol?  I've gone through Cisco, CCNA acad. and have my CCNA 
and I've even started going over Semester 5 for the CCNP, but IS-IS is 
no where to be found...  Is this a new protocol?  Or does someone know 
where I can find a good over view?

Thanks for brain food,
Steve




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PIX question [7:63892]

2003-02-26 Thread Edward Sohn
does someone know what the equivalent of clear counters is on the PIX?
i don't know why, but i can't find a thing...

thanks,

ed




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Re: ??? IS-IS ??? [7:63875]

2003-02-26 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 3:38 PM + 2/26/03, Steven Aiello wrote:
Hello All,

I'm wondering was IS-IS is.  No pun intended.

Don't be scared of punning in this context.  A T-shirt frequently 
seen at IETF (home of OSPF) meetings read:

   IS - IS = 0

Both ISIS and OSPF are link state routing protocols, with many 
high-level similarities and many low-level different assumptions.  In 
general, OSPF is less processor efficient, but gives more traffic 
control than basic ISIS and tends to be more attractive in 
enterprises.  ISIS gives more stable simple networks and often is 
more attractive for service providers.

A lot of this has historical and political flavor. Both protocols are 
standard and work well, but have tended to become optimized for 
different environments--although you could certainly run ISIS in an 
enterprise and OSPF as an ISP IGP.

  I'm assuming it's a
routing protocol?  I've gone through Cisco, CCNA acad. and have my CCNA
and I've even started going over Semester 5 for the CCNP, but IS-IS is
no where to be found...  Is this a new protocol?

Actually, it's slightly older than OSPF, having evolved from the 
routing protocol in DECnet Phase V, and then the OSI protocol (as 
distinct from model) world.  OSPF started out in the IP world. Again, 
these are more historical differences than anything else -- OSI 
protocols are rarely if ever used, although the good features of them 
have been incorporated into IP protocols.  IPv6 is much more OSI-ish 
than IPv4.

Or does someone know
where I can find a good over view?

Thanks for brain food,
Steve




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RE: L3 Switching Huh???? [7:63728]

2003-02-26 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 3:18 PM + 2/26/03, Steve Wilson wrote:
Charles,
The 6509 switch needs some configuration in the background to create a
virtual router.


A bit of a heads-up on this term. It's conceptually useful, but be 
aware that virtual router was considered to be an alternate VPN 
model to RFC 2547, generally promoted by Nortel and Lucent.

There have been LOTS of IETF arguments about the term. I didn't make 
myself popular at one meeting by mentioning we sure can't define 
virtual router, but it's nice we have a virtual router redundancy 
protocol (VRRP is the standards track equivalent to HSRP).

I was severely corrected that I needed to distinguish between 
virtual router and virtual router, depending on whether the 
emphasis was on virtual or router. In HSRP/VRRP, the virtual 
router refers to a single conceptual router seen by hosts, but is 
actually implemented across multiple platforms.

The VPN people thought of virtual routers as multiple independent 
routing (control and forwarding) logical instances on the same 
platform. VRF is not quite the same concept, as it assumes more 
shared knowledge between routing instances than does a VR VPN.




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RE: 2950 telnet access is lost after vlans [7:63789]

2003-02-26 Thread J. Johnson
Ugh.  I was hoping there would be something obvious.  I already have what 
you suggest - a router on a stick configuration with the vlans combined 
in an 802.1Q trunk to the router.  Here's a picture:

|--|  |--|
| oreilly.net  |--|vlan5 |
|--|  |  |
  |  |
|--|  |  |
| colophon.net |--|vlan6s|
|--|  |   2 w|  802.1Q| one interface
  |   9 i|| router-on-a-stick
|--|  |   5 t|  vlan5-8   | ix86 running linux
| zoo.net  |--|vlan8  0 c|
|--|  | h|
  |  |
|--|  |  |
| safari.net   |--|vlan7 |
|--|  |--|
   |
 -
  3600 router
loopback address
   10.0.0.5
 -
 | | |
  big
network
 cloud

I would like to be able to telnet from any of the networks to maintain the 
switch, but can't.  10.0.0.6 is the address of the switch, and it is 
currently assigned to vlan 7.  The 3600 router has 10.0.0.6 in its routing 
table as a directly connected address.  The linux router has the four local 
networks in its routing table, with the 3600 router as the default router.  
The linux router-on-a-stick can ping 10.0.0.6, presumably because it 
sends the packet to its default router, the 3600, which then routes the 
packet back to the switch.  The 3600 can also ping 10.0.0.6, as expected.  
However, when a box on oreilly.net pings 10.0.0.6, a sniffer sees the ping 
on the vlan5 line, but another sniffer sees nothing on the 802.1Q trunk 
wire and, of course, the ping is not successful.  On the other hand, when a 
box on oreilly.net pings 10.0.0.5, it does so successfully.  Wierd.

I've also tried putting 10.0.0.6 in the linux router's table, with no 
apparent change in behavior.  Presumably, the linux router sends packets 
directly to the switch instead of making one hop through the 3600, but 
pings still don't get from oreilly.net to the switch.

Anyone know why the switch isn't forwarding 10.0.0.6 packets to the linux 
router?

DeVoe, Charles (PKI wrote:

 You will need routing between the VLANs.  If this is done via the uplink
 you
 will also need to do some trunking.  Hope this helps.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: J. Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:06 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: 2950 telnet access is lost after vlans [7:63789]
 
 
 I've lost some telnet access to my 2950 after implementing vlans.
 
 Before - Address 10.0.0.6 was available on vlan 1, which was the default
 vlan for all ports.  telnet was possible into the switch from machines
 connected to any port.
 
 After - Created several vlans (5, 6, 7, and 8) and split the ports among
 them.  Now when I do:
switch(config)#interface vlan 5
switch(config-if)#ip address 10.0.0.6 255.255.255.0
switch(config-if)#no shutdown
 the vlan interface that was previously up shuts down and only boxes
 connected to the ports in vlan 5 are able to telnet into the switch.
 
 Is there a way to allow boxes on ports assigned to other vlans to telnet
 into the switch at 10.0.0.6?
 
 James
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Re: 7206 adding VIP cards [7:63673]

2003-02-26 Thread MADMAN
Can you plug the PA back into the VIP card and do a sh diag?  I have 
a  PA-8T, (this is what I'm assuming you have), in a 7206VXR that works. 
  It is HW version 1.14 and the router is running 12.2.4T:

  Slot 5:
  Ethernet Port adapter, 8 ports
  Port adapter is analyzed
  Port adapter insertion time 01:17:17 ago
  EEPROM contents at hardware discovery:
  Hardware revision 1.14  Board revision A0
  Serial number 2018792   Part number73-1391-08
  Test history  0x7   RMA number 09-36-79
  EEPROM format version 1
  EEPROM contents (hex):
0x20: 01 01 01 0E 00 1E CD E8 49 05 6F 08 07 09 24 4F
0x30: 50 00 00 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF



Arnold, Jamie wrote:
 One of the Pas did in fact work.  The tech I had install them saw the
 console message that said shutting down all interfaces, but it was on the
 new card!  This was a 100Mb card.  The 8 port 10Mb card is the one that
 gives a console message saying that it needs a HW revision to work in the
 7206 VXR.
 
 Here are the part numbers (nothing on the front of the card)
 73-1391-07 REV A0 (on PCB)
 
 I guess this needs the HW rev..
 
 J
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:11 AM
 To: Arnold, Jamie
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: 7206 adding VIP cards [7:63673]
 
 
 
I ASSume you mean PA's not VIPs ;)
 
What is the part number of the two PA's?  Some PA's that play well 
 with VIPs need a differant HW revision in order to work on a 7200. 
 Other than that you should be able to do OIR but it wouldn't be the 
 first time I have seen OIR not work:(
 
Dave
 
 Arnold, Jamie wrote:
 
I have a couple of VIP cards from an old 7010 that are (according to 
Cisco) compatible with a new 7206.  One is a single, copper 100Mb card 
and the other is a 4 port 10Bt card.  I am supposed to be able to add 
them hot to the new 7206, but when I tried this I got the message on 
the console that all interfaces are being disabledand they were!  
I didn't wait very long to see if they would come back upon their own, 
but this does not seem like the expected behavior.  Can anyone comment 
on this?  I plan to try again and try to administratively bring the 
interfaces back up.

Thanks in advance.

Jamie
 


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Re: 7206 adding VIP cards [7:63673]

2003-02-26 Thread M.C. van den Bovenkamp
MADMAN wrote:

 Can you plug the PA back into the VIP card and do a sh diag?  I have 
 a  PA-8T, (this is what I'm assuming you have), in a 7206VXR that works. 
   It is HW version 1.14 and the router is running 12.2.4T:

1.14 is the minimum PA-8E HW revision supported in the VXR, according to 
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps341/products_field_notice09186a00800941fa.shtml

Regards,

Marco.




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RE: Sniffer Software [7:63796]

2003-02-26 Thread Packet
Thanks for the heads-up, it took me like an hour to
find the software, like no one had it, finally I found
it at:

http://omis3.omis.niu.edu/download/SECURITY/

then look for NGSSniff.exe
I did not really get the fix that I was looking for,
but I guess that this work around should work.

Thank

= = = Original message = = =

Or NGSSniff..also free and works without a driver.

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Subject: RE: Sniffer Software [7:63796]


Why not try ethereal .. its free!!

PacketEXPERTS wrote:
 
 Have anyone gotten NetXray 3.0 or Sniffer Pro 4.5 to
 work with XP.
 
 Thanks
 

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Re: ??? IS-IS ??? [7:63875]

2003-02-26 Thread Tom Lisa
Steve,

Yes, it is a routing protocol and has just recently been added to the new
BSCI (was BSCN) exam.  Unfortunately, the folks that make the decisions
about what's added to the certification exams didn't give the Academy
folks any lead time to change our Advanced Routing curriculum.  We should
have a new curriculum (hopefully) with IS-IS by the Fall of this year.

You can go to www.ciscopress.com and download the chapter on IS-IS from
the new BSCI book they are releasing.  At least you could a month or so
ago.  Also, search on CCO for IS-IS and you should get a lot of
information about it.

HTH,
Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco ATC/Regional Networking Academy
Cunctando restituit rem

Steven Aiello wrote:

  Hello All,

  I'm wondering was IS-IS is.  No pun intended.  I'm assuming it's a
  routing protocol?  I've gone through Cisco, CCNA acad. and have my
  CCNA
  and I've even started going over Semester 5 for the CCNP, but IS-IS
  is
  no where to be found...  Is this a new protocol?  Or does someone
  know
  where I can find a good over view?

  Thanks for brain food,
  Steve
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Cannot see Rip routes with route-tagging - Why? [7:63900]

2003-02-26 Thread Cisco Nuts
Hello,I have R6, R5 and R4 running rip ver 2, network 178.1.10.0 subnetsR5,
R4 and R2 running eigrp 2 network 181.16.2.0 subnets.R5 and R4 had mutual
redistribution setup using route tagging.R6 correctly sees the eigrp
redistributed routes but R2 is NOT seeing any rip redistributed routes.
Any help is appreciated. Config. on R5 (ditto config on R4)R5#rbr
router eigrp 2
 redistribute rip metric 1 1 1 1 1 route-map r2e
 network 181.16.2.8 0.0.0.3
 no auto-summary
 no eigrp log-neighbor-changes
!
router rip
 version 2
 redistribute eigrp 2 metric 2 route-map e2r
 network 172.31.0.0
 network 178.1.0.0
 no auto-summary
route-map e2r deny 10
 match tag 77
!
route-map e2r permit 20
 set tag 88
!
route-map r2e deny 10
 match tag 88
!
route-map r2e permit 20
 set tag 77 Routing table on R2 ( Does not show any Rip routes)R2#r
181.16.0.0/30 is subnetted, 4 subnets
C   181.16.2.4 is directly connected, Serial1
C   181.16.2.0 is directly connected, Ethernet0
D   181.16.2.12 [90/679936] via 181.16.2.6, 00:40:47, Serial1
C   181.16.2.8 is directly connected, Serial0.234
Config:R2#rbr
router eigrp 2
 network 181.16.2.0 0.0.0.3
 network 181.16.2.4 0.0.0.3
 network 181.16.2.8 0.0.0.3
 no auto-summary
 no eigrp log-neighbor-changes R2 and R5 running FR with ip split-horizon
enabled on.



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Cannot see Rip routes with route-tagging - Config on R6 [7:63901]

2003-02-26 Thread Cisco Nuts
Hello,Here is the config on R6 the Rip router receiving the redistributed
Eigrp routes: R6#r
178.1.0.0/30 is subnetted, 2 subnets
C   178.1.10.0 is directly connected, TokenRing0
C   178.1.10.4 is directly connected, Ethernet0
C192.168.1.0/24 is directly connected, Serial1
181.16.0.0/30 is subnetted, 4 subnets
R   181.16.2.4 [120/2] via 178.1.10.5, 00:00:00, Ethernet0
[120/2] via 178.1.10.1, 00:00:06, TokenRing0
R   181.16.2.0 [120/2] via 178.1.10.5, 00:00:00, Ethernet0
[120/2] via 178.1.10.1, 00:00:06, TokenRing0
R   181.16.2.12 [120/2] via 178.1.10.5, 00:00:01, Ethernet0
[120/2] via 178.1.10.1, 00:00:07, TokenRing0
R   181.16.2.8 [120/2] via 178.1.10.5, 00:00:01, Ethernet0
[120/2] via 178.1.10.1, 00:00:07, TokenRing0
R6#ping 181.16.2.10Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 181.16.2.10, timeout is 2 seconds:
!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 4/17/36 ms
R6#ping 181.16.2.2Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 181.16.2.2, timeout is 2 seconds:
!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 4/24/40 ms
R6#ping 181.16.2.1Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 181.16.2.1, timeout is 2 seconds:
!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 4/30/64 ms
R6#ping 181.16.2.9Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 181.16.2.9, timeout is 2 seconds:
!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 8/30/64 ms
R6#ping 181.16.2.13Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 181.16.2.13, timeout is 2 seconds:
!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 36/69/96 ms
R6# Why can't it be the same on R2 the Eigrp router?Thank you for all
your help.Sincerely,CN



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Practice Labs [7:63902]

2003-02-26 Thread Sam
Hey there.

I have access to a 65xx,55xx and another layer2.

I wish to try my hands on sample labs and practice some stuff. I have
already done things like end-to-end vlans. What else can I try.

Thanks
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TCP window size - Additive Increase - Slow Start [7:63904]

2003-02-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am looking at TCP4s Flow Control mechanism.  I have found Additive
Increase/multiplicative decrease and slow start  explanation.

What I am looking for is how TCP/IP on our servers behavior when congestion
occurs related with the window size.

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RE: DOES MED TRAVEL IN I-BGP?? [7:63884]

2003-02-26 Thread cebuano
BEST way is to test it out and check the BGPP table. Please note you
have several options when dealing with MED attribute. Check the command
reference for the 12.2 to see the features.

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Hello folks,
I have a question for you about MED.

Suppose the following lab:


   ROUTER A  ROUTER B

   ROUTER C

   


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Found Chuck Semeria's IP addressing Paper [7:63906]

2003-02-26 Thread Daniel Cotts
For a number of years there was a paper on IP addressing by Chuck Semeria on
the 3Com web site. It is no longer there. 
Just found it on the NANOG site. 63 page pdf.
www.nanog.org/isp.html  Scroll down to CIDR.




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Re: Sniffer Software [7:63796]

2003-02-26 Thread rick
Ethereal works fine under XP.
Rick


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 Thank for getting back to me, okay this is what I am
 seeing:
 
 NetXray and Sniffer Pro work fine in 98, but when I
 try to load them onto a coupter running XP, it stops
 the install dead in its tracks and tell me to get an
 XP verision of the software.
 
 = = = Original message = = =
 
 Works fine for me. What is the issue you are having?
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Re: Practice Labs [7:63902]

2003-02-26 Thread Brad Ellis
Check out www.fatkid.com

They have FREE practice labs you can try on your home lab.

thanks,
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Port level / VLAN level bandwidth limit [7:63910]

2003-02-26 Thread Raga
Does anybody got an idea to control bandwidth on Port
level / on VLAN basis on Cat 2912 / Cat 2924 switches
running 12.0 IOS. I would like to limit the bandwidth
to each PCs in varying limits (Say 128K, 256K, 512K
etc). Controlling on the basis of IP address will not
solve my problem. If there is a way to set maximum
bandwidth on the port / VLAN basis it would be good.

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IPSEC question [7:63903]

2003-02-26 Thread Bruno Fernandes
Hi,

Just to confirm, does the PIX support TED ?

Regards,
BF




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Re: Practice Labs [7:63902]

2003-02-26 Thread Larry Letterman
mac address security
vlan trunking
aux vlans
private vlans
vacls
telnet security
bpdu guard
root guard
port fast

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Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


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 I have access to a 65xx,55xx and another layer2.

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RE: 2950 telnet access is lost after vlans [7:63789]

2003-02-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
J. Johnson wrote:
 
 Ugh.  I was hoping there would be something obvious.  I already
 have what
 you suggest - a router on a stick configuration with the
 vlans combined
 in an 802.1Q trunk to the router.  Here's a picture:

The picture got a bit munged. I think I understand it, though. The
router-on-a stick is the Linux box and it's supposed to be on the right side
of the drawing? What do you mean by ix86? It's not a 486 machine is it? Ugh.
:-)

 
 |--|  |--|
 | oreilly.net  |--|vlan5 |
 |--|  |  |
   |  |
 |--|  |  |
 | colophon.net |--|vlan6s|
 |--|  |   2 w|  802.1Q| one
 interface
   |   9 i||
 router-on-a-stick
 |--|  |   5 t|  vlan5-8   | ix86
 running linux
 | zoo.net  |--|vlan8  0 c|
 |--|  | h|
   |  |
 |--|  |  |
 | safari.net   |--|vlan7 |
 |--|  |--|
|
  -
   3600 router
 loopback address
10.0.0.5
  -
  | | |
   big
 network
  cloud
 
 I would like to be able to telnet from any of the networks to
 maintain the
 switch, but can't.  10.0.0.6 is the address of the switch, and
 it is
 currently assigned to vlan 7.  The 3600 router has 10.0.0.6 in
 its routing
 table as a directly connected address.  The linux router has
 the four local
 networks in its routing table, with the 3600 router as the
 default router.
 The linux router-on-a-stick can ping 10.0.0.6, presumably
 because it
 sends the packet to its default router, the 3600, which then
 routes the
 packet back to the switch.  The 3600 can also ping 10.0.0.6, as
 expected.
 However, when a box on oreilly.net pings 10.0.0.6, a sniffer
 sees the ping
 on the vlan5 line, 

What is the MAC destination address in these pings from the oreilly.net box?
What is the box on oreilly.net using for its default gateway? It sounds like
it should be using the Linux router-on-a-stick. Maybe it's not?

I hate to say it, but to debug the problem we would have to see the config
of the Linus router-on-a-stick too. You say it's doing 802.1Q? I didn't know
it could do that. :-) Are you sure it's a stable and standard
implementation? Does it have subinterfaces like a real router would have
and an address on all the subnets?

Is the Linux box running a firewall that could be blocking traffic?

Does the Linux box have some troubleshooting tools you could use to see what
traffic it's handling??

 but another sniffer sees nothing on the
 802.1Q trunk
 wire and, of course, the ping is not successful.  On the other
 hand, when a
 box on oreilly.net pings 10.0.0.5, it does so successfully. 
 Wierd.

Is that its own subnet, though? That you might expect to work.

Well, good luck with the puzzle. Let us know what else you find out. Thanks.

Priscilla 

 
 I've also tried putting 10.0.0.6 in the linux router's table,
 with no
 apparent change in behavior.  Presumably, the linux router
 sends packets
 directly to the switch instead of making one hop through the
 3600, but
 pings still don't get from oreilly.net to the switch.
 
 Anyone know why the switch isn't forwarding 10.0.0.6 packets to
 the linux
 router?
 
 DeVoe, Charles (PKI wrote:
 
  You will need routing between the VLANs.  If this is done via
 the uplink
  you
  will also need to do some trunking.  Hope this helps.
  
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  From: J. Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: 2950 telnet access is lost after vlans [7:63789]
  
  
  I've lost some telnet access to my 2950 after implementing
 vlans.
  
  Before - Address 10.0.0.6 was available on vlan 1, which was
 the default
  vlan for all ports.  telnet was possible into the switch from
 machines
  connected to any port.
  
  After - Created several vlans (5, 6, 7, and 8) and split the
 ports among
  them.  Now when I do:
 switch(config)#interface vlan 5
 switch(config-if)#ip address 10.0.0.6 255.255.255.0
 switch(config-if)#no shutdown
  the vlan interface that was previously up shuts down and only
 boxes
  connected to the ports in vlan 5 are able to telnet into the
 switch.
  
  Is there a way to allow boxes on ports assigned to other
 vlans to telnet
  into the switch at 10.0.0.6?
  
  James
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Re: ??? IS-IS ??? [7:63875]

2003-02-26 Thread
It is a routing protocol similar to OSPF in some ways.  Check out 
links for IS-IS at www.ccie4u.com/study_guide.htm


Thanks,

Ian

On 26 Feb 2003 at 15:38, Steven Aiello wrote:

 Hello All,
 
I'm wondering was IS-IS is.  No pun intended.  I'm assuming it's a 
 routing protocol?  I've gone through Cisco, CCNA acad. and have my CCNA 
 and I've even started going over Semester 5 for the CCNP, but IS-IS is 
 no where to be found...  Is this a new protocol?  Or does someone know 
 where I can find a good over view?
 
 Thanks for brain food,
 Steve




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Re: ??? IS-IS ??? [7:63875]

2003-02-26 Thread John Neiberger
Hello All,

   I'm wondering was IS-IS is.  No pun intended.  I'm assuming it's a

routing protocol?  I've gone through Cisco, CCNA acad. and have my
CCNA 
and I've even started going over Semester 5 for the CCNP, but IS-IS is

no where to be found...  Is this a new protocol?  Or does someone know

where I can find a good over view?

That reminds me of a famous quote from a couple of years ago:

That depends on what your definition of IS-IS.  Okay, I modified it
slightly  :-)




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RE: L3 Switching Huh???? [7:63728]

2003-02-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
 
 OK, let me try this again.  I am trying to figure out the
 difference between
 conventional layer 3 routing and layer 3 switching.  A little
 background.  I
 am currently working towards my CCNA (have been for about 3
 years).  At any
 rate, everything I read and look at says that
 switching/bridging is a layer
 2 function, routing is a layer 3 function.  
 
 Either I don't have a good grasp of the OSI model, switching,
 routing, VLANs
 or all of the above.

It sounds like you got it. Don't worry about the terminology so much. You
got the concepts and that's what's important. See a few more comments below.

 
 The network:
 
 Host A  10.1.1.2 MAC 00.AA
 Host B
 10.1.2.2 MAC 00.BB
   |10.1.1.1 MAC 01.AA  10.1.2.1 MAC
 02.BB|
  switch
 A---Router-switch B
 10.1.1.0/2410.1.2.0/24
 
 This is an ethernet network.  Both segments are connected by a
 traditional
 router say a 2500. 
 In this instance the router interfaces are subnet A 10.1.1.1,
 and subnet B
 10.1.2.1
 
 For simplicity, assume ARP cache is empty.
 Host A wishes to ping Host B
 End user on Host A enters - ping 10.1.2.2
 The IP packet places the source address 10.1.1.2 and the
 destination address
 10.1.2.2 into the packet.
 The IP protocol examines the IP address and based on the IP
 address
 determines this is in another subnet.
 An ARP request goes out for 10.1.1.1 (default gateway) and the
 MAC address
 is found.
 The DLL then places the source MAC address 00.AA and the
 destination MAC
 01.AA into the frame.
 The frame then goes out the wire to the destination MAC.
 The router interface sees this frame as destined for itself.  It
 de-encapsulates the frame removing the MAC addresses.  The
 router then
 examines the IP address, based on the routing table it knows
 the destination
 port.  
 The router leaves the same IP source (10.1.1.2) and destination
 (10.1.2.2)
 in the packet.
 The frame is rebuilt with the new MAC address of source 02.BB
 and
 destination 00.BB
 Host B grabs this packet and does it's thing.
 
 Now, if I replace the router with a 6509 switch, with routing,
 how does the
 process change?

The process is logically the same. I'm not familiar enough with the
architecture of the 6509 switch to provide the details, but it looks like
others have, so that's good.

The important thing is that you understand the traffic flow and what goes in
the address fields in the packets. That's great. There are senior network
admins that don't get that. Seriously. The CCIE written tests this sort of
thing and every so often we get clueless questions about it from people who
think they are going to jump right into CCIE as long as we force-feed them
the fundamentals. You are doing the right thing by getting down the
fundamentals while still studying for CCNA.

 Said 6509 would be equipped with a 10/100 card so that the
 hosts are now
 directly connected.  The router interface is now a virtual
 interface, there
 is no physical interface.  Which is another question.  How does
 the 6509
 determine this virtual address?  
 
 Am I correct?  
 Inter VLAN communication cannot occur without a router.

Yes. 

 Switching is based on MAC address.
 Routing is based on IP address.

The word switching is used in a more generic way too and has been for
hundreds of years.

Switching means forwarding, relaying, routing. Please do not insist that it
only happens at L2, despite what the stupid books say.

As I have already said, it's not true that it's just a marketing term. It is
a good engineering term that the marketing people stole.

Train tracks have equipment that switches trains. Telephone equipment
switches voice conversations. Electrical devices switch current. An
internetworking device switches digital data.

For years, Cisco tried to get people to see the same thing that Howard is
still trying to get people to see, which is that there are two sets of
tasks: one related to learning paths to destinations and one related to
forwarding data. For years Cisco called this second path switching. I say
this just in the hopes that you will see that even Cisco has used the term
switching to mean forwarding, long before L2 switches existed or before
marketing people made up the L3 switch term.

Priscilla

 
 I believe the term layer 3 routing is a marketing term, not
 scientific or
 engineering in nature.
 
 




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RPC Endpoint Mapper [7:63916]

2003-02-26 Thread COULOMBE, TROY
Anyone know of a good resource on RPC endpoint mapper?  I trying to find
where in the packet the server tells the client which [new] port to come
back on.  Using a sniffer, but I cant seem to nail down where in the payload
the future port is passed to the client.

a google search of rpc endpoint mapper sniffer  has resulted in a lot of
conversations about how RPC works, but not at the packet level :(

don't mind RTFMing...but so far I can't find a good URL

at least the FTP protocol states which port :)

Thanks,
TroyC




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RE: L3 Switching Huh???? [7:63728]

2003-02-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Evans, TJ (BearingPoint) wrote:
 
 That all looks pretty good ...
 
 
 On the MSFC/RSM - do a show interface:  (edited for length)
   Vlan8 is up, line protocol is up 
 Hardware is Cat6k RP Virtual Ethernet, address is
 00d0.d335.6614
 
   Vlan9 is up, line protocol is up 
 Hardware is Cat6k RP Virtual Ethernet, address is
 00d0.d335.6614
 So ... each 'router interface' has a MAC.  The fact that it is
 the same is
 irrelevant as they are on different network/logical segments
  on different broadcast domains.
 
 So the frame comes in with a destination mac of 00d0.d335.6614,
 and when
 forwarded will leave with a source mac of 00d0.d335.6614 (same)

And that's exactly what would happen if you did the inter-VLAN routing on a
router too, using subinterfaces for each VLAN/ IP subnet. :-)

And, if it were a high-end router, it could do this at wire speed and would
have a RIB and FIB, just like someone else described for the 6500. The 7500
router has had that sort of architecture for years, if I'm not mistaken.
Howard has given us lots of examples of other high-end routers that have
this sort of architecture. Of course, these high-end routers are probably
way more expensive than the so-called L3 switch and probably have all sorts
of features that you might not need in a campus network.

So, we're back to the first answer. The difference between a router and a L3
switch is marketing. Also economics.

Sorry, I just had to play devil's advocate. What a shame that Cisco has
mangled this so much in their intro training materials.

Priscilla

 ...
 
 Does that help?
 
 Oh - and I think you meant to say layer 3 switching is a
 marketing term,
 not scientific or engineering in nature. ... you said layer 3
 routing ...
 Thanks!
 TJ
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 -Original Message-
 From: DeVoe, Charles (PKI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:45 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: L3 Switching Huh [7:63728]
 
 OK, let me try this again.  I am trying to figure out the
 difference between
 conventional layer 3 routing and layer 3 switching.  A little
 background.  I
 am currently working towards my CCNA (have been for about 3
 years).  At any
 rate, everything I read and look at says that
 switching/bridging is a layer
 2 function, routing is a layer 3 function.  
 
 Either I don't have a good grasp of the OSI model, switching,
 routing, VLANs
 or all of the above.
 
 The network:
 
 Host A  10.1.1.2 MAC 00.AA
 Host B
 10.1.2.2 MAC 00.BB
   |10.1.1.1 MAC 01.AA  10.1.2.1 MAC
 02.BB|
  switch
 A---Router-switch B
 10.1.1.0/2410.1.2.0/24
 
 This is an ethernet network.  Both segments are connected by a
 traditional
 router say a 2500. 
 In this instance the router interfaces are subnet A 10.1.1.1,
 and subnet B
 10.1.2.1
 
 For simplicity, assume ARP cache is empty.
 Host A wishes to ping Host B
 End user on Host A enters - ping 10.1.2.2
 The IP packet places the source address 10.1.1.2 and the
 destination address
 10.1.2.2 into the packet.
 The IP protocol examines the IP address and based on the IP
 address
 determines this is in another subnet.
 An ARP request goes out for 10.1.1.1 (default gateway) and the
 MAC address
 is found.
 The DLL then places the source MAC address 00.AA and the
 destination MAC
 01.AA into the frame.
 The frame then goes out the wire to the destination MAC.
 The router interface sees this frame as destined for itself.  It
 de-encapsulates the frame removing the MAC addresses.  The
 router then
 examines the IP address, based on the routing table it knows
 the destination
 port.  
 The router leaves the same IP source (10.1.1.2) and destination
 (10.1.2.2)
 in the packet.
 The frame is rebuilt with the new MAC address of source 02.BB
 and
 destination 00.BB
 Host B grabs this packet and does it's thing.
 
 Now, if I replace the router with a 6509 switch, with routing,
 how does the
 process change?
 Said 6509 would be equipped with a 10/100 card so that the
 hosts are now
 directly connected.  The router interface is now a virtual
 interface, there
 is no physical interface.  Which is another question.  How does
 the 6509
 determine this virtual address?  
 
 Am I correct?  
 Inter VLAN communication cannot occur without a router.
 Switching is based on MAC address.
 Routing is based on IP address.
 
 I believe the term layer 3 routing is a marketing term, not
 scientific or
 engineering in nature.

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RE: RPC Endpoint Mapper [7:63916]

2003-02-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
In the olden days, in a Unix world, RPC required PortMappter. Maybe you
could look that up? Not sure if there's a space, i.e. Port Mapper. I don't
think there is.

It's a separate protocol for assigning port numbers. You should see evidence
of it on your Sniffer if it still exists.

What operating system are you talking about? Windows does RPC too but I
don't know it very well.

Priscilla

COULOMBE, TROY wrote:
 
 Anyone know of a good resource on RPC endpoint mapper?  I
 trying to find
 where in the packet the server tells the client which [new]
 port to come
 back on.  Using a sniffer, but I cant seem to nail down where
 in the payload
 the future port is passed to the client.
 
 a google search of rpc endpoint mapper sniffer  has resulted
 in a lot of
 conversations about how RPC works, but not at the packet level
 :(
 
 don't mind RTFMing...but so far I can't find a good URL
 
 at least the FTP protocol states which port :)
 
 Thanks,
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VPN Client-RAS-VPN-PIX Route Mapping? [7:63919]

2003-02-26 Thread Tim Weil
This is a classic VPN Gateway behind the PIX question...

Can NAT/PAT/Static Routes be used on a Trusted PIX Port
to provide Web Access to

RAS/VPN Client  to
VPN3000 Gateway to
PIX Trusted Port 

The VPN Gateway is positioned on a subnet behind the PIX.
URL references are appreciated.  Thanks.

Tim Weil - CCNP





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eBGP Multi-Hop [7:63920]

2003-02-26 Thread Jim Devane
I am not sure how to overcome a potential problem. 
I have a BGP feed from an upstream provider that is a multi-hop. I am
concerned that if that neighboring router goes down I will still be sending
traffic out to him. The Interface will not go down since the circuit does
not term on the BGP router but a colocated router. I do not want to have to
wait 3 minutes for the BGP timer to expire. That will be 3 minutes of
traffic passed to a dead router.

Is there any other method (besides reducing the timer) to overcome this?

thanks,
jim



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RE: New CCDP [7:63848]

2003-02-26 Thread Prather Aaron
From what I can tell, that is correct.  Im about to take the CID myself, and
it seems that if you complete it before its retired, you are CCDP for 3 more
years.


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CID, No X.25/Microsoft/Appletalk/IPX? [7:63921]

2003-02-26 Thread Prather Aaron
I was reviewing the exam outline on cisco's site for the CID exam and
noticed that it did not say anything about X.25, IPX, Appletalk, or
Microsoft Networking. Have they removed this from the exam? I got my CCDP 3
years ago and now want to recert (I recerted my CCNP already so all I have
left is CID).  I have my old book, but it covers these technologies
extensively and I dont want to spend extra time on those sections if they
wont even be on the exam.  I know the CID is about to be retired, so I want
to hurry up and take this exam so I dont have to worry about the new one. 
Please help out if you can!

Thanks!


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PIX without public address translation [7:63908]

2003-02-26 Thread Azhar Teza
I have a two interface PIX in a lab. I am trying to simulate this for a
customer. Th PIX will be used between two Private networks in the same
campus for some political reason. On a PIX outside Interface the network is
172.16.10.0/24, and inside network is on 192.168.10.0/24. Outside interface
is connected to a catalyst switch for 172.16.10.0/24 network, and inside
interface is also connected to a 2nd catalyst switch on a inside network
192.168.10.0/24. Here is the issue. For allowing users to access resource
from outside to inside. I can simply do: static (inside, outside)
192.168.10.0 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 access-list outside permit
ip 172.16.10.0 0.0.0.255 any access-group outside in interface outside. For
testing reason, I also want to enable ping from 172.16.10.0 network to
192.168.10.0 network. access-list outside permit icmp any any. The only
confusion I have is  how do I ping a host which is sitting on an outside
network 172.16.10.25 to ping a host on inside network which is sitting on a
network 192.168.10.25 because there is no third network segment for natting,
and PIX doesn't allow to ping the private addresses from outside. For
example, In real world, there is a public address which is natted to a
private address, and you ping a public address which is mapped to a private
address for testing purpose, but in my case there are only two private
networks and there is no public address for natting purpose. One thought I
had to use the fake network segment such as 10.0.0.0/24 for natting purpose,
but that won't work also I think because then I will have to put my PIX's
outside interface on 10.0.0.0/24 segment where as the hosts on outside
segment are sitting on 172.16.10.0/24 segment. Here is the config.  Please
pay attention to following commands: global (outside) 1 192.168.10.0  (Since
there is not public addresses for translation, I am using the inside address
itself.)nat (inside) 1 192.168.10.0  PIX Version 6.1(4)nameif ethernet0
outside security0nameif ethernet1 inside security100enable password
2KFQnbNIdI.2KYOU encryptedpasswd VlkRecOhbGq/.k3t encryptedhostname
Clark-Countyfixup protocol ftp 21fixup protocol http 80fixup protocol h323
1720fixup protocol rsh 514fixup protocol rtsp 554fixup protocol smtp 25fixup
protocol sqlnet 1521fixup protocol sip 5060fixup protocol skinny
2000namesaccess-list outside permit ip 172.16.10.0 255.255.255.0
anyaccess-list outside permit icmp any anypager lines 24interface ethernet0
autointerface ethernet1 automtu outside 1500mtu inside 1500ip address
outside 172.16.10.1 255.255.255.0ip address inside 192.168.10.1
255.255.255.0ip audit info action alarmip audit attack action alarmpdm
history enablearp timeout 14400global (outside) 1 192.168.10.0nat (inside) 1
192.168.10.0 255.255.255.0 0 0static (inside,outside) 192.168.10.0
192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 0 0access-group outside in interface
outsidetimeout xlate 3:00:00timeout conn 1:00:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp
0:02:00 rpc 0:10:00 h323 0:05:00 sip 0:30:00 sip_media 0:02:00timeout uauth
0:05:00 absoluteaaa-server TACACS+ protocol tacacs+aaa-server RADIUS
protocol radiusno snmp-server locationno snmp-server contactsnmp-server
community publicno snmp-server enable trapsfloodguard enableno sysopt route
dnattelnet timeout 5ssh timeout 5terminal width
80Cryptochecksum:c9981720a27c052407817428a787baf6: end

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Mutual Redistribution - OSPF routes in Eigrp [7:63923]

2003-02-26 Thread McHugh Randy
Is there a defualt orginate command that I need to use to do mutual
redistrubtion?
I want to redistribute OSPF into EIGRP and EIGRP into OSPF .

r1(config-router)#redistribute eigrp 1 metric 20 sub
r1(config-router)#redistribute eigrp 1 metric 20 subnets ?
  metric   Metric for redistributed routes
  metric-type  OSPF/IS-IS exterior metric type for redistributed routes
  route-mapRoute map reference
  subnets  Consider subnets for redistribution into OSPF
  tag  Set tag for routes redistributed into OSPF

I need my OSPF routes to show up on my frame switch wich is only running
EIGRP, but R1 is connected to OSPF area 0 and has a back to back serial to
the frame switch.

fr#sh ip route
Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP
   D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area 
   N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2
   E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP
   i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, ia - IS-IS inter
area
   * - candidate default, U - per-user static route, o - ODR
   P - periodic downloaded static route

Gateway of last resort is not set

 150.100.0.0/24 is subnetted, 4 subnets
C   150.100.70.0 is directly connected, Loopback2
C   150.100.68.0 is directly connected, Loopback0
C   150.100.69.0 is directly connected, Loopback1
C   150.100.2.0 is directly connected, Serial0

Thanks,
Randy



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RE: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]

2003-02-26 Thread Deepak N
Hi Monu

I tried the configuration given by you. But i didnt find any problem in
bringing up the interface when i cut and paste the configuration.
Here is the config when i cut n paste the config from a text file

yourname(config)#interface Serial1/1
yourname(config-if)#shut
yourname(config-if)#encapsulation frame-relay
yourname(config-if)#frame-relay lmi-type cisco
yourname(config-if)#no shut
yourname(config-if)#exit
yourname(config)#interface Serial1/1.1 point-to-point
yourname(config-subif)#no shutdown
yourname(config-subif)#ip address 20.20.20.11 255.255.255.0
yourname(config-subif)#frame-relay interface-dlci 108
yourname(config-fr-dlci)#exit
yourname(config-subif)#
yourname(config-subif)#
*Mar  1 00:48:19.271: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Serial1/1, changed state to
up
yourname(config-subif)#
yourname(config-subif)#
yourname(config-subif)#
yourname(config-subif)#^Z
yourname#
yourname#
*Mar  1 00:48:28.811: %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from console by console
yourname#
yourname#sh ip int brief
*Mar  1 00:48:30.271: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface
Serial1/1,
 changed state to up
Interface  IP-Address  OK? Method Status   
Prot
ocol
FastEthernet0/0172.20.110.8YES manual up   
up

FastEthernet0/1unassigned  YES unset  up   
down

ATM0/0 unassigned  YES unset  up   
up

ATM0/1 unassigned  YES unset  up   
up

Serial1/0  unassigned  YES unset  down 
down

Serial1/0.1unassigned  YES manual deleted  
down

Serial1/1  unassigned  YES unset  up   
up

Serial1/1.120.20.20.11 YES manual up   
up

Serial1/2  unassigned  YES unset  down 
down

FastEthernet1/0unassigned  YES unset  up   
down

FastEthernet1/1unassigned  YES unset  up   
down

yourname#

Please let me know ur comments


Regards
Deepak


Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
 
 There's obviously no good answer to why there are no problems
 bringing the link up/up when you type in the commands one by
 one but there are problems when you copy and paste them. Here
 are some suggestions, though:
 
 1) You work for Cisco. Report it as a bug.
 2) The copy and paste is corrupting a character, forgetting to
 do carriage return or something of that nature. Do all the
 commands end up the in the running config?
 3) There's some sort of timing issue.
 
 To fix the problem:
 
 Don't do copy and paste that fast. :-)
 
 Priscilla
 
 Monu Sekhon wrote:
  
  Hi Mark,
  Thanx for reply.but I mentioned that when we do shut  no shut
  again link comes up.no dlci, no lmi problem:
  I am testing in lab setup two rouetrs connnected to
 frame-relay
  cloud
  Please do help anybody in this regard, why the link doesnot
  come at one instant
  why it requiers again shut and no shut, when i copy paste the
  config and when i give command by command then without gving
  shut and noshut the link comes up.
  
  Mark W. Odette II wrote:
   
   in show ip interface it shows as protocol down , physical
   link up.
   sh frame-relay pvs shows as inactive.no lmi are exchanged.
   
   Usually Protocol Down, Link Up indicates that you have
   mismatched
   encapsulation, LMI-Type, or even incorrect IP Addressing
  (wrong
   Subnet
   or incorrect Subnet Mask) between your end and the other end
  of
   the FR
   Network.
   
   If no LMI is exchanged, then the LMI-Type is incorrect
 between
   that
   Serial Interface and the Service Provider Frame Switch.
   
   If this is a Frame Relay LAB setup, double-check your Frame
   Relay
   Switch configuration.
   
   If this is a Production Setup, contact your ISP and verify
  your
   Frame
   Relay configuration parameters. (LMI-Type, DLCI, etc.)
   
   
   On the No Shut command, I'd use it last on each interface
 you
   configure.
   
   -Mark
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Monu Sekhon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:40 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Frame-Relay issue [7:63446]
   
   Hi Larry/John,
   I forgot to mention no shut in the above confif while
 writing
   here,
   Its still there and connection does not come out
   See I mentioned that while giving command by command
 manually
   connection
   comes out.
   It seems to me that while the interface is down during that
   frame-relay
   LMIs
   think that interface is down and make the link down.
   I am rather confused.I dont know but this is happening.
   
   again writing config:
   --
   interface Serial0 
   shut (if i give here no shut then link comes up at one go) 
   encapsulation frame-relay 
   frame-relay lmi-type cisco 
   no shut
   exit 
   interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point 
   no 

Re: two 1900 catalyst switches cannot exchange VLAN info even [7:63926]

2003-02-26 Thread suaveguru
not sure , you mean the code version do play a part?

So if it does play a part what code version should I
run ?

regards,
suaveguru
--- Larry Letterman  wrote:
 what version of 1900 code are they running.?
 
 Larry Letterman
 Network Engineer
 Cisco Systems
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: suaveguru 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:37 PM
 Subject: two 1900 catalyst switches cannot exchange
 VLAN
 info even [7:63613]
 
 
  all,
 
  I have 2 cisco catalyst 1900 switches with VLANS
  configured on it when I tried to enable trunking
 on
  both of the trunk ports and make the two catalyst
 1900
  switched run VTP vlans information just can't
 travel
  across the switches, appreciate if anyone with
 similar
  problems tell me what to do
 
  suaveguru
 
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Eigrp neighbor loss [7:63925]

2003-02-26 Thread McManus, Robert BGI SDC
I was hoping someone could help out with a problem I am seeing.  I just
enabled logging of eigrp neighbor changes for the first time and noticed
that there are constant neighbor changes going on over our WAN/LAN.  First
guess was the hello timers but since it is on the LAN this is not the issue.
Some vlan interfaces have been up for weeks while others seem to go up and
down every few seconds but both are going over the same ATM link between
sites. Has anyone seen this behavior before?  Code is 12.1(14).  

Thanks




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RE: TCP window size - Additive Increase - Slow Start [7:63904]

2003-02-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I am looking at TCP4s Flow Control mechanism.  I have found
 Additive
 Increase/multiplicative decrease and slow start  explanation.
 
 What I am looking for is how TCP/IP on our servers behavior
 when congestion
 occurs related with the window size.
 
 Any Thoughts?

I have some thoughts, though not real answers. :-) Slow start has been
implemented by most TCP implementations in most operating systems for quite
a few years now. You can easily see it in action if you use a  protocol
analyzer on your system while doing FTP, for example. Watch the start of the
data session. Even though the side receiving data will advertise a window of
8,192 bytes, for example, the other side will only send a couple segments,
wait for an ACK to make sure there's no congestion, and then speed it up and
send about 5 segments at a time, filling the recipient's receive window.

If it's Windows, you'll see the recipient open and close its window in very
small increments sometimes, for example go from 8,192 to 8,000 and back
again. I always thought that was just brain-dead programming, but maybe
there's a reason for it.

Regarding ddditive increase and multiplicative decrease, I've never heard of
any operating system doing that. After a quick Google, I get the impression
those may be research projects? Can you tell us more about them?

Regardless, if you know how they work, your best bet is to study traffic
with an analyzer and see if you see evidence of them. In the case of
Windows, I doubt you'll find any documentation that says they are used. In
the case of open-source Unix TCP implementations, you might have more luck
finding documentation on protocol behavior for specific implementations.

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RE: L3 Switching Huh???? [7:63728]

2003-02-26 Thread Peter van Oene
A
And that's exactly what would happen if you did the inter-VLAN routing on a
router too, using subinterfaces for each VLAN/ IP subnet. :-)

And, if it were a high-end router, it could do this at wire speed and would
have a RIB and FIB, just like someone else described for the 6500. The 7500
router has had that sort of architecture for years, if I'm not mistaken.
Howard has given us lots of examples of other high-end routers that have
this sort of architecture. Of course, these high-end routers are probably
way more expensive than the so-called L3 switch and probably have all sorts
of features that you might not need in a campus network.

Last I check, extreme make some pretty cheap bridges with integrated 
routing :)   Naturally, to get a bunch of packet processing without 
mortgaging forwarding capacity, you'll end up spending more 
bucks.  Howard's point about the relevance of wire speed routing in the 
enterprise is dead on though - most folks don't need it and wouldn't make 
use of it even if they had it.


So, we're back to the first answer. The difference between a router and a L3
switch is marketing. Also economics.

Sorry, I just had to play devil's advocate. What a shame that Cisco has
mangled this so much in their intro training materials.

Priscilla

  ...
 
  Does that help?
 
  Oh - and I think you meant to say layer 3 switching is a
  marketing term,
  not scientific or engineering in nature. ... you said layer 3
  routing ...
  Thanks!
  TJ
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  -Original Message-
  From: DeVoe, Charles (PKI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:45 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: L3 Switching Huh [7:63728]
 
  OK, let me try this again.  I am trying to figure out the
  difference between
  conventional layer 3 routing and layer 3 switching.  A little
  background.  I
  am currently working towards my CCNA (have been for about 3
  years).  At any
  rate, everything I read and look at says that
  switching/bridging is a layer
  2 function, routing is a layer 3 function.
 
  Either I don't have a good grasp of the OSI model, switching,
  routing, VLANs
  or all of the above.
 
  The network:
 
  Host A  10.1.1.2 MAC 00.AA
  Host B
  10.1.2.2 MAC 00.BB
|10.1.1.1 MAC 01.AA  10.1.2.1 MAC
  02.BB|
   switch
  A---Router-switch B
  10.1.1.0/2410.1.2.0/24
 
  This is an ethernet network.  Both segments are connected by a
  traditional
  router say a 2500.
  In this instance the router interfaces are subnet A 10.1.1.1,
  and subnet B
  10.1.2.1
 
  For simplicity, assume ARP cache is empty.
  Host A wishes to ping Host B
  End user on Host A enters - ping 10.1.2.2
  The IP packet places the source address 10.1.1.2 and the
  destination address
  10.1.2.2 into the packet.
  The IP protocol examines the IP address and based on the IP
  address
  determines this is in another subnet.
  An ARP request goes out for 10.1.1.1 (default gateway) and the
  MAC address
  is found.
  The DLL then places the source MAC address 00.AA and the
  destination MAC
  01.AA into the frame.
  The frame then goes out the wire to the destination MAC.
  The router interface sees this frame as destined for itself.  It
  de-encapsulates the frame removing the MAC addresses.  The
  router then
  examines the IP address, based on the routing table it knows
  the destination
  port.
  The router leaves the same IP source (10.1.1.2) and destination
  (10.1.2.2)
  in the packet.
  The frame is rebuilt with the new MAC address of source 02.BB
  and
  destination 00.BB
  Host B grabs this packet and does it's thing.
 
  Now, if I replace the router with a 6509 switch, with routing,
  how does the
  process change?
  Said 6509 would be equipped with a 10/100 card so that the
  hosts are now
  directly connected.  The router interface is now a virtual
  interface, there
  is no physical interface.  Which is another question.  How does
  the 6509
  determine this virtual address?
 
  Am I correct?
  Inter VLAN communication cannot occur without a router.
  Switching is based on MAC address.
  Routing is based on IP address.
 
  I believe the term layer 3 routing is a marketing term, not
  scientific or
  engineering in nature.
 
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RE: Different usename n pwd for PAP and CHAP [7:63442]

2003-02-26 Thread Deepak N
HI Troy
  My question is,
 suppose as you said, usera and userb have established a connection using
chap and Pap, now is it possible to give one set of username for chap and
another set for pap?

The config looks like this

ppp authentication chap pap 
ppp chap hostname 
ppp chap password 
ppp pap sent-username  password 

Is this configuration is valid? if valid how often is it used in customer
scenarios. I have observed that when i give the same username n password for
both chap n pap( i.e  for both), the ios gives the warning message
saying may be security hole.

Thanks n regards
Deepak

Troy Leliard wrote:
 
 Hi Deepak, 
 
 I'm not sure if I follow.  Say for example you wanted userA to
 connect via CHAP and userB to connect via PAP, this would
 indeed be possible, but usera and userb, could not have the
 same username.
 
 Most of the ISP's that i have worked for only accept CHAP since
 the password is no passed in clear txt, and most dialup clients
 now support CHAP.
 
 Similarly DDR scenarios, when y ou have your router connecting
 to anotehr router (or ISP), you would also want to implement
 CHAP, for obvious security reasons. The only time I have use pa
 is when use legacy dialup clients that don't support CHAP.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Cheers
 Troy
 
 
 Deepak N wrote:
  
  Hi Troy 
  Thanks for the reply
  
 So, this would mean, there is no possibility of using one
  set of username/password for CHAP and another set for PAP, i
  guess.
  The same set of username/password for eg: cisco/cisco would be
  used for both CHAP and PAP.
  
  Regards
  Deepak
  
  
  Troy Leliard wrote:
   
   Normally you would only get one username / password., and
 the
   ISP would configure CHAP, then PAP authentication, ie if the
   cllent (user) tries to authenticate, and CHAP fails, it will
   then authenticate using PAP.  (CHAP Should always come first
  as
   it is the more secure authentication method).
   
   Hope this helps
   
   
   Deepak N wrote:

Hi 
  I am having this question. 
When configuring the username and password for PAP n
 CHAP, i
   am
giving different username n password.
Is there any customer scenario where this kind of
 situation
  is
there?
Also does the ISP provide different username n password
 for
different authentication types i.e, one set of username n
password for CHAP and another set of username and password
  for
PAP.
 i assume that ISP gives only one authentication type
 either
CHAP or PAP not both.
 I need inputs from all of you

Thanks in advance

Deepak
  
  




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RE: RPC Endpoint Mapper [7:63916]

2003-02-26 Thread COULOMBE, TROY
Priscilla,
thanks for the quick reply :)

yes, so far all 3 sniffers havent revealed much [ethereal, sniffer,  my
fav: etherpeek-nx]

all show the decodes for RPC, but this is a Win2k box talking MS-RPC [port
135, initially]

somehow, someway an upper port is getting assigned [4541 for example] from
the server

anywho, I'm t/s the win2k-box talking to vpn clients [also Wintel] and there
seem to be a large number of tcp-rst happening on the higher ports upon
initial connection ::: syn, rst, syn, rst

I don't think it's black-hat activity as it was the users complaining...so
I'm just trying to make sure the client is communicating back on the
proper port the server assigned...but I cant seem to nail down where the
port is in the payload...

I do see the server send to the client the server's IP adder, but in
character format [which to me is crazy]  so the server sends 31 00 30 00
2e 00 31 00 30 00 2e 00 31 00 30 00 2e 00 33 00 36 00 for 10.10.10.36  31
being the hex equiv of the ascii char 1 00 being the buffer space, 30
being the 0 and 2e being the . of the 10.

man, gives new respect to the folks who do reverse eng. :)

I'll keep hacking at it... but I'm still hoping for a URL :)

TroyC


-Original Message-
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: RPC Endpoint Mapper [7:63916]


In the olden days, in a Unix world, RPC required PortMappter. Maybe you
could look that up? Not sure if there's a space, i.e. Port Mapper. I don't
think there is.

It's a separate protocol for assigning port numbers. You should see evidence
of it on your Sniffer if it still exists.

What operating system are you talking about? Windows does RPC too but I
don't know it very well.

Priscilla

COULOMBE, TROY wrote:
 
 Anyone know of a good resource on RPC endpoint mapper?  I
 trying to find
 where in the packet the server tells the client which [new]
 port to come
 back on.  Using a sniffer, but I cant seem to nail down where
 in the payload
 the future port is passed to the client.
 
 a google search of rpc endpoint mapper sniffer  has resulted
 in a lot of
 conversations about how RPC works, but not at the packet level
 :(
 
 don't mind RTFMing...but so far I can't find a good URL
 
 at least the FTP protocol states which port :)
 
 Thanks,
 TroyC




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Re: ??? IS-IS ??? [7:63875]

2003-02-26 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 10:25 PM + 2/26/03, John Neiberger wrote:
  Hello All,

I'm wondering was IS-IS is.  No pun intended.  I'm assuming it's a

routing protocol?  I've gone through Cisco, CCNA acad. and have my
CCNA
and I've even started going over Semester 5 for the CCNP, but IS-IS is

no where to be found...  Is this a new protocol?  Or does someone know

where I can find a good over view?

That reminds me of a famous quote from a couple of years ago:

That depends on what your definition of IS-IS.  Okay, I modified it
slightly  :-)


Unless Microsoft comes up with its own definition...and we'd have to 
figure out if ISNT is or is not ISIS.




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CCNP Recertification Exam [7:63932]

2003-02-26 Thread Masaru Umetsu
I have to take a exam of CCNP Recertification in this year.
If you know the book to study for CCNP Recertification,
please give me an advice.




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RE: RPC Endpoint Mapper [7:63916]

2003-02-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sorry I don't have a URL that explains how Windows RPC on a server hands out
a port number for the client to use. Anyone else?

However, I will help you reverse engineer it! ;-) Are you guessing that the
port number is in that same packet that has the IP address in ASCII. That
would be my guess, if it's anythign like the FTP PORT command. Can you send
us the entire packet in hex for the one with port 4541 or some other port
you tell us in advance??

Could a firewall or smart IDS be sending back the resets?? Just a thought.

Priscilla

COULOMBE, TROY wrote:
 
 Priscilla,
 thanks for the quick reply :)
 
 yes, so far all 3 sniffers havent revealed much [ethereal,
 sniffer,  my
 fav: etherpeek-nx]
 
 all show the decodes for RPC, but this is a Win2k box talking
 MS-RPC [port
 135, initially]
 
 somehow, someway an upper port is getting assigned [4541 for
 example] from
 the server
 
 anywho, I'm t/s the win2k-box talking to vpn clients [also
 Wintel] and there
 seem to be a large number of tcp-rst happening on the higher
 ports upon
 initial connection ::: syn, rst, syn, rst
 
 I don't think it's black-hat activity as it was the users
 complaining...so
 I'm just trying to make sure the client is communicating back
 on the
 proper port the server assigned...but I cant seem to nail down
 where the
 port is in the payload...
 
 I do see the server send to the client the server's IP adder,
 but in
 character format [which to me is crazy]  so the server sends
 31 00 30 00
 2e 00 31 00 30 00 2e 00 31 00 30 00 2e 00 33 00 36 00 for
 10.10.10.36  31
 being the hex equiv of the ascii char 1 00 being the buffer
 space, 30
 being the 0 and 2e being the . of the 10.
 
 man, gives new respect to the folks who do reverse eng. :)
 
 I'll keep hacking at it... but I'm still hoping for a URL :)
 
 TroyC
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:10 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: RPC Endpoint Mapper [7:63916]
 
 
 In the olden days, in a Unix world, RPC required PortMappter.
 Maybe you
 could look that up? Not sure if there's a space, i.e. Port
 Mapper. I don't
 think there is.
 
 It's a separate protocol for assigning port numbers. You should
 see evidence
 of it on your Sniffer if it still exists.
 
 What operating system are you talking about? Windows does RPC
 too but I
 don't know it very well.
 
 Priscilla
 
 COULOMBE, TROY wrote:
  
  Anyone know of a good resource on RPC endpoint mapper?  I
  trying to find
  where in the packet the server tells the client which [new]
  port to come
  back on.  Using a sniffer, but I cant seem to nail down where
  in the payload
  the future port is passed to the client.
  
  a google search of rpc endpoint mapper sniffer  has resulted
  in a lot of
  conversations about how RPC works, but not at the packet level
  :(
  
  don't mind RTFMing...but so far I can't find a good URL
  
  at least the FTP protocol states which port :)
  
  Thanks,
  TroyC
 
 




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Ping-ICMP question [7:63934]

2003-02-26 Thread sisco
Is ping/icmp protocol needs to be prioritized on Lan environment just
to have a good latency ping result? is it ping a good basis for measuring
your
network if it is congested? Thanks!




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RE: 7206 adding VIP cards [7:63673]

2003-02-26 Thread Arnold, Jamie
Tac told us that these were compatible...

Imagination is more important than knowledge
 
Albert Einstein


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Subject: RE: 7206 adding VIP cards [7:63673]


Jamie wrote:
The 8 port 10Mb card is the one that 
gives a console message saying that it needs a HW revision to work in the 
7206 VXR.

The PAs have compatible issues with 7200VXR. Only the PAs those said VXR
compatible work on 7200VXR. The older's work on 7K, 75xx, or c5rsm only.

There are good sources at cisco.com

tu do.




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Re: OSPF and MTU, spawned from the OSPF vs. EIGRP thread [7:63936]

2003-02-26 Thread The Long and Winding Road
Reviving an oldie but a goodie, based on some work I was doing today. I
wanted to check something that required 3 routers, and all I had were 2
routers and the 3550 switch. well, that's ok. L3 and all. BTW, have we
decided which is better - an L3 switch or a router? Hint - the L3 switch is
FAR superior to a 2503 router :-

OK, so I set up ospf among the routers ( switch ports configured as router
interfaces ) and no ospf neighbor relationships are forming. this is BS.
Done this in my sleep.

start looking at the debugs and I keep seeing something weird from the
switch side. keeps reporting the interface down. makes no sense. I check the
speed and duplex, but you know, I know this has worked in the past.

fiddle some more. fiddle some more. finally look at things from one of the
routers' perspective, and the debug says something about a mismatched MTU.

Oh yeah, I was doing some vlan tunneling practice and to do so, you have to
set the switch MTU higher to accommodate the larger 801.q frame. can't
change the MTU size on an interface by interface basis.

quickly, I issue the interface command ip ospf mtu-ignore ( Cisco
proprietary? IIRC? ) on the interfaces in question, and viola! everything is
dandy.

quick look at the command reference, and I see this command was introduce in
12.0.3 - so that puts it into the time frame of the early days of the 65xx
and the MSFC. Dare I hazard a guess that the command was introduced in
anticipation of exactly this kind of situation - the L2 part of the switch
requiring a larger MTU for whatever reason, and the L3 part of the switch
running Ospf and running into exactly this problem?

Geez, some days I really appreciate the time I spend on this group. Amazing
the stuff I remember.

Chuck

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there ain't no such thing as a free lunch




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news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 In an attempt to find out why MTU is examined (more precisely, why it's
 examined in the Database Description packets instead of the Hello packets)
 one of my co-workers found this passage in IETF meeting minutes:

 Editor's note:  These minutes have not been edited.

 The OSPF Working Group met on Wednesday, December 11th from 1300-2500 at
 the San Jose IETF. Minutes of the meeting follow:

 The second problem, reported by Dan Senie of Proteon, concerns MTU
 mismatches between OSPF neighbors. This can cause flooding between
 the two neighbors to fail, with large Link State Updates being
 continually retransmitted. To fix this, we will report interface MTU
 in Database Description packets. A router will discard received
 Database Description packet which advertise an MTU that is larger
 than the router can receive. In this way, adjacencies will not form
 between routers having MTU mismatches. Tony Li expressed a desire
 for a more general purpose mechanism. There was also a question
 whether the same thing will have to be done for OSPF for IPv6 (we
 think so).


 Very informative. Thank goodness for meeting minutes. Here's the link if
 anyone is as hung up on this as I seem to be. :)


 http://www.ietf.org/ietf/ospf/ospf-minutes-96dec.txt




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Re: two 1900 catalyst switches cannot exchange VLAN info even [7:63937]

2003-02-26 Thread Larry Letterman
to get all the bells and whistles you need to run Enterprise
version of 1900 operating cose.

Larry Letterman
Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


- Original Message -
From: suaveguru 
To: Larry Letterman ;

Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: two 1900 catalyst switches cannot exchange VLAN
info even [7:63836]


 not sure , you mean the code version do play a part?

 So if it does play a part what code version should I
 run ?

 regards,
 suaveguru
 --- Larry Letterman  wrote:
  what version of 1900 code are they running.?
 
  Larry Letterman
  Network Engineer
  Cisco Systems
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: suaveguru
  To:
  Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:37 PM
  Subject: two 1900 catalyst switches cannot exchange
  VLAN
  info even [7:63613]
 
 
   all,
  
   I have 2 cisco catalyst 1900 switches with VLANS
   configured on it when I tried to enable trunking
  on
   both of the trunk ports and make the two catalyst
  1900
   switched run VTP vlans information just can't
  travel
   across the switches, appreciate if anyone with
  similar
   problems tell me what to do
  
   suaveguru
  
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??? IS-IS ??? [7:63938]

2003-02-26 Thread Michael Cinquanti
Peter van Oene has authored a two-part Study Guide that's been quite 
well received at CertificationZone.

  Hello All,

 I'm wondering was IS-IS is.  No pun intended.  I'm assuming it's a
  routing protocol?  I've gone through Cisco, CCNA acad. and have my CCNA
  and I've even started going over Semester 5 for the CCNP, but IS-IS is
  no where to be found...  Is this a new protocol?  Or does someone know
  where I can find a good over view?

  Thanks for brain food,
  Steve
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Re: two 1900 catalyst switches cannot exchange VLAN info even [7:63939]

2003-02-26 Thread suaveguru
ok I will try that out
--- Larry Letterman  wrote:
 to get all the bells and whistles you need to run
 Enterprise
 version of 1900 operating cose.
 
 Larry Letterman
 Network Engineer
 Cisco Systems
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: suaveguru 
 To: Larry Letterman ;
 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:39 PM
 Subject: Re: two 1900 catalyst switches cannot
 exchange VLAN
 info even [7:63836]
 
 
  not sure , you mean the code version do play a
 part?
 
  So if it does play a part what code version should
 I
  run ?
 
  regards,
  suaveguru
  --- Larry Letterman  wrote:
   what version of 1900 code are they running.?
  
   Larry Letterman
   Network Engineer
   Cisco Systems
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: suaveguru
   To:
   Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:37 PM
   Subject: two 1900 catalyst switches cannot
 exchange
   VLAN
   info even [7:63613]
  
  
all,
   
I have 2 cisco catalyst 1900 switches with
 VLANS
configured on it when I tried to enable
 trunking
   on
both of the trunk ports and make the two
 catalyst
   1900
switched run VTP vlans information just can't
   travel
across the switches, appreciate if anyone with
   similar
problems tell me what to do
   
suaveguru
   
   
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CiscoSecure Question [7:63941]

2003-02-26 Thread Mossburg, Geoff (MAN-Corporate)
All,
Does anyone out there have experience with CiscoSecure? I could
really use the help! I have over 50 routers that I'm setting up to access
through TACACS, and I've been told that I have to make entries in
CiscoSecure for every interface on every router to make sure that each
router is TACACS accessible from anywhere in the network! Is this true???
Thanks!
Geoff Mossburg




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RE: RPC Endpoint Mapper [7:63916]

2003-02-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
COULOMBE, TROY wrote:
 
 Priscilla,
 thanks for the quick reply :)
 
 yes, so far all 3 sniffers havent revealed much [ethereal,
 sniffer,  my
 fav: etherpeek-nx]
 
 all show the decodes for RPC, but this is a Win2k box talking
 MS-RPC [port
 135, initially]
 
 somehow, someway an upper port is getting assigned [4541 for
 example] from
 the server
 
 anywho, I'm t/s the win2k-box talking to vpn clients [also
 Wintel] and there
 seem to be a large number of tcp-rst happening on the higher
 ports upon
 initial connection ::: syn, rst, syn, rst
 
 I don't think it's black-hat activity as it was the users
 complaining...so
 I'm just trying to make sure the client is communicating back
 on the
 proper port the server assigned...but I cant seem to nail down
 where the
 port is in the payload...
 
 I do see the server send to the client the server's IP adder,
 but in
 character format [which to me is crazy]  so the server sends
 31 00 30 00
 2e 00 31 00 30 00 2e 00 31 00 30 00 2e 00 33 00 36 00 for
 10.10.10.36  31
 being the hex equiv of the ascii char 1 00 being the buffer
 space, 30
 being the 0 and 2e being the . of the 10.

That is similar to the FTP PORT command, which puts the IP address in ASCII
characters, separated by commas, for some unknown reason. Following the
address is the port number in ASCII characters with a comma between the
first and second byte.

Port number is a 16-bit field. To get it into two bytes, divide the decimal
value by 256. Put that it in the first part in ASCII characters. Put the
remainder in the second part.

So if it were an FTP Port command, 4541 would look like this:

4541/256 = 17 with 189 left over

1 = 31 in ASCII
7 = 37
comma = 2C
1 = 31
8 = 38
9 = 39

so you would see PORT blah blah 31 37 2C 31 38 39 

Do you see anyting resembling that?? Maybe with nulls inbetween, since they
are doing nulls in between for the IP address, and maybe a period instead of
a comma?

Priscilla


 
 man, gives new respect to the folks who do reverse eng. :)
 
 I'll keep hacking at it... but I'm still hoping for a URL :)
 
 TroyC
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:10 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: RPC Endpoint Mapper [7:63916]
 
 
 In the olden days, in a Unix world, RPC required PortMappter.
 Maybe you
 could look that up? Not sure if there's a space, i.e. Port
 Mapper. I don't
 think there is.
 
 It's a separate protocol for assigning port numbers. You should
 see evidence
 of it on your Sniffer if it still exists.
 
 What operating system are you talking about? Windows does RPC
 too but I
 don't know it very well.
 
 Priscilla
 
 COULOMBE, TROY wrote:
  
  Anyone know of a good resource on RPC endpoint mapper?  I
  trying to find
  where in the packet the server tells the client which [new]
  port to come
  back on.  Using a sniffer, but I cant seem to nail down where
  in the payload
  the future port is passed to the client.
  
  a google search of rpc endpoint mapper sniffer  has resulted
  in a lot of
  conversations about how RPC works, but not at the packet level
  :(
  
  don't mind RTFMing...but so far I can't find a good URL
  
  at least the FTP protocol states which port :)
  
  Thanks,
  TroyC
 
 




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RE: CiscoSecure Question [7:63941]

2003-02-26 Thread Jim Brown
You can hardcode the source address of TACACS requests on the routers.
This keeps you from needing to define every interface in the TACACS
server. The command is ip tacacs source-interface.

You can also define network devices in CiscoSecure with wildcards. You
could have one entry that maps all routers?

If you need more info drop me a line. I've been using it for several
years for all my authentication. It isn't cheap but it works great.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CiscoSecure Question [7:63941]


All,
Does anyone out there have experience with CiscoSecure? I could
really use the help! I have over 50 routers that I'm setting up to
access
through TACACS, and I've been told that I have to make entries in
CiscoSecure for every interface on every router to make sure that each
router is TACACS accessible from anywhere in the network! Is this
true???
Thanks!
Geoff Mossburg




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RE: Ping-ICMP question [7:63934]

2003-02-26 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
sisco wrote:
 
 gurus, :)
 Is ping/icmp protocol needs to be prioritized on Lan
 environment just
 to have a good latency ping result? is it ping a good basis for
 measuring
 your
 network if it is congested? Thanks!

Ping can help you understand if a network is congested if it's just a simple
LAN.

On a LAN, you probably don't have to worry about prioritization. In fact,
there aren't many ways to prioritize a particular traffic type on simple
Ethernet LANs.  If it were an entire internetwork, then prioritization might
be relevant. A switch shouldn't bother with such things, but a complicated
switch might. Routers can prioritize traffic and often do.

If you ping a Cisco router, it will not prioritize responding and in fact
may rate limit ICMP activity. If you ping through a router, you might also
see extra delay if the router is implementing some policy regarding ICMP.
Firewalls might also add some delay or even stop pings. So on an
internetwork, including the Internet, ping isn't really a good test.

The other caveat, and this applies to both simple LANs and complex
internetworks, is that the end hosts may treat ping differently than the
actual applications that get used for real work (or play! ;-)

So, to get the best results, you should test with the applications that you
are concerned about. On a simple LAN, you can get approximations with ping,
though. Gamers always use this! (though they probably consider it more
important than they should because they haven't considered the caveats
mentioned above.)

Priscilla

 
 




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