Re: [Coworking] Happy Thanksgiving From London

[Jacob Sayles]

Araceli,

This speaks to one of the major themes that is coming up on my Coworking
Europe tour.  There is a lot of discussion of associations, or networks
different spaces and I've been speaking quite a lot about how much we have
with the simple word "coworking".  For instance the Coworking Europe
Conference wouldn't have existed without the word.  It would be hard to have
common a mailing list if we all described our spaces with different
terminology.  We are united with this word, even if it seems that word gets
diluted with all the different definitions.

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On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Araceli Camargo-Kilpatrick <
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> Hello All,
>
> Just wanted to wish you a Happy Thanksgiving, despite its trials and
> tribulation, we are grateful for all the opportunities coworking has given
> us. We as well grateful for the coworking google groups, who have shown us
> what coworking is, because otherwise we would still be calling THECUBE a
> conceptual office space!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Araceli
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Re: [Coworking] Happy Thanksgiving From London

[Jacob Sayles]

Exciting and also fascinating!

The topic of "core values" has come up before and was "decided upon".  I use
quotes like that because the fact that you are bringing it up again
illustrates how even simple things like this are much trickier with a group
as diverse as us.  For reference, Alex put them up on coworking.com.  They
are also referred to as the 5 tenants of coworking.

This could be written off as poor organization or as basic human nature.
 Large groups often have a wide range of things they consider "core" to the
name they choose to describe "their people".  Some good examples are:
 Democrats, or Catholics.

This is a lot for a discussion that has the heading "Happy Thanksgiving".

Jacob

P.S. I'm excited to meet you next week and check out The Cube!

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Araceli Camargo-Kilpatrick <
thecubelon...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I completely agree, since learning we had set-up a coworking space it gave
> us direction and innovation...etymology plays a huge role in our brains as
> it gives us the capacity to comprehend abstract concepts.
>
> If i had continued to think of our space as a conceptual office space i
> would have been limited by old patterns associated to office space. Knowing
> what we were unlocked tons of ideas as i knew that i could be as
> experimental as i wanted.
>
> The industry is still at infancy, in regards to mass adoption. I think the
> next stage would be to establish core values as the interpretation should be
> as varied as possible. At the end of the day, the more experimental we all
> are the more it is going to feed the possibilities of what a coworking space
> can be.
>
> By core i mean things like, create a conscience space, rather than just
> clapping desk together in your spare office space, having a clear focus,
> providing tools, etc.
>
> See you soon
>
> Araceli
>
> On 25 November 2010 10:45, Jacob Sayles  wrote:
>
>> Araceli,
>>
>> This speaks to one of the major themes that is coming up on my Coworking
>> Europe tour.  There is a lot of discussion of associations, or networks
>> different spaces and I've been speaking quite a lot about how much we have
>> with the simple word "coworking".  For instance the Coworking Europe
>> Conference wouldn't have existed without the word.  It would be hard to have
>> common a mailing list if we all described our spaces with different
>> terminology.  We are united with this word, even if it seems that word gets
>> diluted with all the different definitions.
>>
>> Jacob
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>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Araceli Camargo-Kilpatrick <
>> thecubelon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to wish you a Happy Thanksgiving, despite its trials and
>>> tribulation, we are grateful for all the opportunities coworking has given
>>> us. We are also grateful for the coworking google groups, which has shown us
>>> what coworking is, because otherwise we would still be calling THECUBE a
>>> conceptual office space!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Araceli
>>>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Who's shopping for electronic door locks?

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There are two projects I know of that are making their own systems like
this.  Workentile and Bucketworks are both crafting solutions and we are
going to have a hackathon in December to talk about a unified solution and
the software that goes with it.  You should reach out to those two groups
and see if you can join them.  Of course there is also a certain
satisfaction that comes from rolling your own.  If you do, please connect
back so we can all learn from your experience.

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On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Frederik Denkens wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> We are considering getting something going based on the Arduino DIY
> platform and a magnetic lock. Advantages of the platform: open, cheap and
> extendable.
>
> Our requirements:
>
> - Remote programable (as in the case for operating 2 spaces) through
> ethernet or Wifi
> - Open (eg no proprietary software/platforms/licensing)
> - Able to drive an electronic lock
> - Work with RFID tags (and maybe later on with Bluetooth and sms because
> that's just cool :-)
> - Cheap
> - Only used for day-lock, so potential reliability issues are more
> manageable
>
> Regards,
>
> Frederik.
>
> *Fre*derik Denkens
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Brainstorming: how to sell the coworking idea to a business center? Our experience - Ideia Atlantico

[Jacob Sayles]

Not all business centers are bad and each relationship is different.  I'm
sure there are some bad stories and there will only be more bad stories if
this kind of attitude persists.  Basterrak, I'm not discounting your
situation, just balancing it out with a little optimism.  The beauty of the
diversity of a list like this is that everyone can take the stories from
others, both good and bad, and be better prepared when faced with a
situation.

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On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:54 AM, basterrak  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Our experiences with the business centers was not really good because
> they watch us like an enemy and, in our case, they tried to deal with
> us a relationship of "collaboration", but the real reason was our
> destruction...
>
> I think coworking need still being coworking and business center need
> still being business center.
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Re: [Coworking] Momentum on coworking spaces in the UK

[Jacob Sayles]

Great stuff Araceli!

It was wonderful seeing your space and what you do first hand the other day.
 London has some really cool things going on.

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On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Araceli Camargo-Kilpatrick <
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> http://www.startups.co.uk/innovation-hubs.html
>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Start Up Spread Sheet

[Jacob Sayles]

This is an excellent lead into the discussions we had at Coworking Europe
around the CoworkingDB.  I've been planning on organizing my thoughts and
sending something out when my head clears.  I just got back to Seattle last
night.  The basic idea is to expand the scope of the CoworkingDB to include
all sorts of data like this and change the focus to all forms of open
coworking data.  That's also what we've been calling it.  More soon.

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On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Alex Hillman
wrote:

> Too often, surveys lead questions in ways that the answers don't really
> provide the value they seem to. I really think that this is something that
> needs to remain open ended, but with a couple of well-thought-out prompts in
> order, to collect the stories necessary.
>
> To be clear - I'm not looking for "we installed lockers". I'm looking for
> things like, "we installed lockers, and within 6 days they were all full"
> vs. "we installed lockers and it wasn't until we provided free locks to our
> members that they actually got used".
>
> I don't know that a survey can ask the right questions. I like the idea of
> a grad student taking this on. We've got a few that work from Indy Hall now
> on their thesis work regarding "Play at Work", and there's another grad
> student who's getting ready to do some ethnographic fieldwork for a couple
> of years at Indy Hall. So far, these students have been really awesome to
> work with, and I've not only been able to help them learn to ask questions
> that get them answers other than "the usual", but we've consistently seen
> their perspectives on coworking change within a few weeks of working with
> us.
>
> -Alex
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:05 AM, rob obrien  wrote:
>
>> Alex
>>
>> Perhaps a survey would help in gathering the answers.  Perhaps an
>> intern or grad student would pick up this worthy research project for
>> our community. (no irony or sarcasm intended.)
>>
>> Rob OBrien
>>
>> On Dec 2, 11:55 pm, Alex Hillman  wrote:
>> > I'd love to see somebody start a spreadsheet of things like:
>> >
>> >- the places that people have successfully found and met prospective
>> >members (and places that have turned up bupkis)
>> >- successful events that enhance the culture of a coworking community
>> >(and events that nobody seemed interested in)
>> >- values added by and for community members (and stuff you added that
>> >nobody used)
>> >
>> > Figure out how to organize it, and I'd be happy to contribute.
>> >
>> > -Alex
>> >
>> > /ah
>> > indyhall.org
>> > coworking in philadelphiaOn Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Angel K <
>> fccowork...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > HI Rob,
>> > > I have an 1,100 sqft space in Colorado and with 0 refurbishing, other
>> > > than changing one paint color, my start up costs were $20,000. I
>> > > thought it would be 10,000 but the old rule of doubling what you think
>> > > held true! This space is currently home to 31 members, the majority of
>> > > whom use the space 1 or 2 days/week. 5 of the members only use the
>> > > space on Weds nights.
>> > > Most of my furnishings were custom built by a new designer so they
>> > > were dirt cheap, the rest were from Ikea and Target. We also inherited
>> > > our conference room furniture from the landlord at no cost.
>> > > I do not pay a staff member but I do use 1-3 unpaid interns at any
>> > > given time who help me and the members with their projects in addition
>> > > to greeting and welcoming people during the day.
>> >
>> > > Hope that helps :)
>> > > Angel
>> >
>> > > On Nov 28, 8:31 pm, rob obrien  wrote:
>> > > > I'm launching a space and put together a simple income/expense and
>> > > > startup costs spreadsheet in Google Docs.
>> >
>> > > > I think I have got a handle on it, but would appreciate a few second
>> > > > opinions from the experienced hand out there.
>> >
>> > > >
>> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgZXryylWlWbdGJjZTJFS2lGV1BD...
>> >
>> > > > Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> > > > I would be happy to provide edit permissions.  You will need a
>> google
>> > > > account
>> >
>> > > > Rob OBrienhttp://cdga-cowork.posterous.com/
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Re: [Coworking] Is there any comprehensive list of co-working facilities in US

[Jacob Sayles]

Currently we have the wiki which has a directory of spaces.  Check it out at
http://wiki.coworking.com

There is movement on making a better system but these things take time.
 I've got lots of thoughts on this topic.  :)

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On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:48 AM, niladri wrote:

> Wanted to know if there is any comprehensive list of co-working
> facility in different cities. Also a short description of the culture,
> kind of startups/freelancers working out of the place and brief
> description about the facilities available.
>
> if there is a place where all this data available then this might help
> each co-working facility and their members working together and
> contributing in each others success.
>
> Like say an independent graphic designer can help another internet
> marketer to design his/her site or blog, whereas the marketeer can
> help designer to get few more customers by spreading the word.
>
> looking forward for your comments
>
> Regards
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Re: [Coworking] Advice on Telephone Conferencing Equipment

[Jacob Sayles]

Rob,

We got a Polycom phone for our main conference room because it seemed like
the thing to do.  We saved money buying it used on eBay but more and more I
notice folks don't use it all that much.  The room is too echoey I think.
 We don't pay too much for the line as we got a deal with our ISP since the
phones don't get a ton of use.  Not necessarily a suggestion but rather an
example of how sometimes things don't play out like you might think they
will.

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On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:28 AM, rob obrien  wrote:

> I would like to have a nicely functioning conference room with
> telephone and or video conferencing.  The room will have 10 chairs.
> Any suggestions on hardware/software is appreciated.  Any comments on
> bandwidth needs to operate this along with up to 10 co-workers is also
> appreciated.
>
> thanks
> Happy Holidays
>
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> near Rochester NY
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Re: [Coworking] Greetings from Seattle!

[Jacob Sayles]

Rogelio, 

Are you looking to open a space in Seattle too? Coworking Seattle is hot right 
now. 

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On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Rogelio  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Jesse  wrote:
>> I'm a former IT pro (on the help desk/tech support side) who is now
>> looking into opening a coworking space here in Seattle. I'm in the
>> very early stages of research and fact gathering, so I'm here mostly
>> to glean as much useful info as possible and hopefully meet some
>> locals with similar interests.
> 
> Jesse, a quick question:  how/where are you looking to open up a space?
> 
> (I ask because I was just looking online for the same type of building
> up in the Seattle area.)
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Re: [Coworking] Another great resource - http://www.desksurfing.net/

[Jacob Sayles]

Oh there are many more even

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On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Jonathan Yankovich <
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> I just came across another nifty coworking database resource at
>
> http://www.desksurfing.net/
>
> ..and wanted to pass it along.  This website does something very
> similar to what coworkingregistry.org aims to do.  Between
> coworkingregistry.org, desksurfing.net, and coworkingdb, our cup of
> coworking databases runneth over!
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Coworking iPhone app has arrived! Make sure you're on it!

[Jacob Sayles]

Wow Brent, that's exciting.  Thank you for putting so much work into this.
Let me know when I can get my hands on it to see what it can do.

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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Brent (@brentter) wrote:

> Ok this is either perfect timing or perfectly bad timing. But while i
> was stranded at the airport overnight this past weekend i actually
> went through with what I said i would in that post from months ago
> when we first started talking about the coworkingdb. Its here on my
> home dev svn but i was planning on putting it on my public github
> account in the next few days (still a few tweaks left). There's just a
> few catches.
>  I didn't write it in ruby. I know the language but to be honest, what
> was stressed over and over was the ability for people to be able to
> take this db base and use it in their own manifestations. Right now
> i'm willing to bet only another programmer can tell me how you'd
> actually go about hosting a website which is built in ruby/ror. Plus
> not every hosting service offers it in their shared hosting (which is
> what most of these coworking sites use). So i just stuck with basic
> php5 for a small front-end which really only does three things:
> 1)it's a secure login page where owners can register an account + are
> immediately taken to a short form letting them enter in all their
> coworking facility data. There's an admin side to it that can master
> delete/edit if necessary, also just keep track of them all. If they
> ever want to change anything about how their coworking facility is
> displayed they only need to re-login using their account data that
> they used to register with.
> 2) It gives us a centralized database (once again i went with
> something every host would have - mysql) where you won't have spammers
> being able to add crap listings nor will there be so many duplicates,
> which is the case with all the current online lists.
> 3) Every time that a new or old coworking listing is edited, upon
> clicking the update button a simple script runs the address through a
> geolocation service to find the lat/long, then sends it in the
> appropriate format either updating, deleting or adding to the master
> list that is pubicly viewable at google spreadsheets. It does this
> using their API and is all automated, and instant. Because it's google
> spreadsheets, if the spreadsheet changes it automatically updates any
> map that someone has embedded using their easy export/embed/widget
> functionality.  There is only one master account for that spreadsheet
> so people can't cheat the system. The spreadsheet is public, so in
> every way shape or form imaginable you can use whatever part of that
> data, or even embedded map (or the georss feed that google spits out)
> and use it for your own needs like most sites already are doing.
> 4) The code for the db also has incorporated into it a simple API
> structure so that if you didn't want to use google's services, google
> goes down for any reason or stop offering what everyone is relying on,
> or you just want specific data... i..e just the locations within 10
> miles of miami, FL., you can send a post or get call out to the site
> and it will return the results in the format of your choice (xml, json
> or rss).
>
> Now, you're probably asking, what about the ones already existing in
> the database that we've been using for the past year or two? Well,
> that's where i'm still a little hung up at. I have a few ideas but
> obviously majority would rule on this one. My idea was that the list
> would remain however you wanted to change a current listing all you'd
> need to do is when registering, use a box provided to 'claim' one
> already on there. Then once that checks out their account would be
> assigned that listing and they could do whatever they want with it.
>
> What do you guys think (and btw, where's this 400 list you speaking
> of? I've got 6 different lists i've taken from various sources
> including the one mentioned that was used for the iphone app + is on
> the wiki and have tried my best to prune all the crap that is
> currently on them. but none are 400. I've got a few under 100
> listings, the main one which is a lil over 376, and then this one that
> I came acros which originally was 580+. A few runs of various python
> scripts comparing them to google maps later and that list is right now
> about the same that's on the wiki. That's because some awesome soul
> must have already started the pruning process since we first started
> talking about this db project.
>
> Now this also complies with that strange db schema image that is in
> the coworkingdb file section here on google as far as where certain
> parts of the data go to, and eventually I can convert it over to ruby.
> I just went with what i'm best at as far as being able to know that
> it'd both secure, fast as possible and universally adaptable b

[Coworking] Coworking Europe Interview

[Jacob Sayles]

Hello,

They just posted the interview I did at the Coworking Europe conference in
November.  It starts out with "what is coworking" and I answered it as
specifically as I could.  I also talk about opening coworking spaces,
cultivating community, and manufacturing innovation.  Extra thanks to
Jean-Yves for putting all of that together and creating an awesome event.

The interview:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcvS_lqM4L4

We also posted a video and the slides for my presentation on our blog.
 There were better videos made but I never got my hands on them so we just
went with the one we had.

http://officenomads.com/2010/11/coworking-europe-2010/

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[Coworking] A Coworking Library?

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Hello,

I've been putting a lot of time and thought into how we share data, the data
we share, and what could be done with all this data.  I've chimed in here
and there but I wanted to throw out some ideas that keep coming up and where
I'm currently at.  First, it's important to recognize that our community has
exploded in recent years and has grown quite large and broad both in terms
of geography and diversity.  One extraordinary aspect of this community is
the desire to share openly everything from startup tips, marketing advice,
and best practices to legal documents, annual reports, and business plans.
The current systems used to facilitate this sharing are our google group and
the coworking wiki.  Their primary advantages are their neutrality and
openness and their ability to grow organically as the community grows and
different players come and go.  I love that these simple systems can be so
effective and instrumental in our growth and I want to recognize that even
with their faults they have facilitated this community effectively.  The
topic of where they are lacking has come up and has been discussed
frequently.  Usually it follows the pattern that some other tool would do a
better job and it's countered by the fact that every tool has things that it
does well, and things it does not.  Also, switching systems is very
disruptive and time consuming and with an all volunteer effort such as this
it's unclear who is going to take on the work.

What we've witnessed time and again is that setting up great collaboration
tools isn't the hard part.  The problem is organizing volunteers,
maintaining momentum and growing the solutions over time.  Case in point is
the Google Map.  Someone set this up long ago, yet it's unmaintained and out
of date, rendering it useless.   The fact that it was easy to setup is
irrelevant and misleading.  It's important to take a holistic/systems view
and consider all these little intricate elements when trying to find
"solutions".

To that end, I've been having a lot of individual conversations, with a wide
array of folks, exploring different ways to take on these challenges.  I
believe this can be done without the disruption of switching tools or
enforcing standards on the group.  *Our diversity and our independence is
what makes us so beautiful and that should be embraced, not mitigated to
make solutions easier to implement*.  One way to do this that continually
comes up is the formation of an organization that can take the time to focus
on these specific issues.  This organization would have the simple, and
specific goal of organizing and maintaining the data coworking spaces love
to share and helping coordinate free/libre/open source projects that benefit
the coworking community.  I believe a dedicated, neutral entity, can strike
the right balances and maintain the right focus to make something like this
work.  The image of a library comes to mind and it makes me wonder if we
need a coworking library.

And more and more terrific projects are emerging from within the community
every day that would benefit from more support, coordination, and
information.  Great examples include Stephanie's indexing of the Google
Group conversations, Jonathan's development of the Coworking Registry, the
Coworking Blog, Hallen Projekt, PariSOMA iPhone app, Coworking Europe and
the SxSW unconference.  With the diversity of talent and global reach of the
coworking movement, more collaboration will enable us to accomplish even
more amazing things.

I want to open the discussion to the whole group and see whether people
think an organization like this is necessary and if this is going in the
right direction?  Would you support this endeavor and/or participate?  What
other tasks/challenges do you think should be taken on?  Everything is still
very early in the development and it's really more about pinning down a core
philosophy which I've tried to communicate here as best I could.

Thoughts, comments, concerns?

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[Coworking] News: A Place for Nomads in The Stranger

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Hello,

The Stranger is our local weekly and they just came out with a news article
about Office Nomads.  I enjoyed reading it mostly because the author,
Dominic Holden, used new ways to express why people choose to work at
coworking spaces.  I also need to learn when to be less "funny" and when you
read the quote I'm talking about you'll know exactly what I mean.
 Sheesh  :)

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/a-place-for-nomads/Content?oid=6381358

This is part of their annual charity auction and this is our fourth time
participating.  It's been a lot of fun and their writers have always enjoyed
coming in here and writing about us.  Their office is actually only two
blocks away.

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[Coworking] Google Groups Feature Request

[Jacob Sayles]

Hello,

Speaking of tools, it seems Google is putting some love into their Groups
product after neglecting it for many years.  This is music to my ears as
many of the online communities I am a part of use Google Groups as their
rallying point.  One feature I would love that would go a long way to bridge
the wide gap between mailing lists and forums, is a way to categorize
incoming messages and allow subscribers to choose which categories they
would like to receive.  This of course would require moderators to actively
monitor and categorize all the messages not unlike what Will and I do for
the coworking wiki it's like the work Stephanie did when she indexed the
list, but in real time!

Well, they are soliciting feedback for their new interface and I submitted
this idea.  If you think it's a stellar idea, you can express yourself here:
 http://goo.gl/mod/SyeJ

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Re: [Coworking] Core Groups & Thick Relationships

[Jacob Sayles]

Great read.  Thank you Alex.

There was a very interesting comment in the footnotes:  *"Betahouse back
then was very different to what has become the norm for co-working spaces
today: non collaborative desk filling environments*".  I've heard this from
someone before and it confused me.  Then again it's impossible for me to get
back to first impressions.

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On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Alex Hillman
wrote:

> I stumbled across this fantastic essay about the importance of strong core
> groups through the history of founding one company. No surprise - it took
> place in a coworking space - Boston's Betahouse. This isn't your typical
> startup essay - there's some real gems in here.
>
> http://brianbalfour.com/post/2813742577/core-groups
>
> Key themes:
>
>- Thick relationships (vs business card collecting)
>- Diversity
>- Trust
>- Voltron
>
> -Alex
>
>
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
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Re: [Coworking] Re: A Coworking Library?

[Jacob Sayles]

I think the Unconference in Austin on March 10th is a good milestone.  There
is a lot of work to be done to get something like this started and deadlines
can be very helpful.  Don't worry Jeannine and everyone else who can't make
it.  There will be many more discussions and plenty of opportunities to
participate.

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On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Jeannine wrote:

> +1 on this: The coworker library is a great idea. Seems simpler to
> refer people a
> central repository rather than "just search the Google Group; this
> has
> already been discussed." Making the Coworking Visa a real program
> that
> we can promote within and without our spaces would be excellent.
> Developing real, valuable discounts, alliances, partnerships etc. (or
> guidelines or a toolkit to do so) that will benefit spaces and their
> members would be cool.
>
> I also think that from the perspective of people just looking at
> coworking as an option, membership in something more definable than
> "this Google Group" would be more confidence inspiring.
>
> May I add, again, though, that as a practical matter, pinning progress
> on SXSW will leave those of us in "the rest of the world" :-) somewhat
> outside the discussion.  The time shift to Austin is seven hours, so
> you are starting your day when we are finishing ours.  And 9 am in
> Austin is midnight in Japan.  So either we have to have seperate
> discussions or we have to work something else out or both -- possibly
> the folks who cannot get to SWSX can be assigned a SWSX buddy, who
> they can get to know now and who can then present their perspective on
> their behalf?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Jeannine
>
>
> On Jan 20, 6:22 pm, "todd@c4workspace"  wrote:
> > I think it's kind of interesting that a movement that thrives on
> > community is somewhat resistant "making it official." I second Jacob's
> > idea and would like to be more involved in it.
> >
> > There is no coworking space that operates successfully without some
> > level of organization and/or management. Without the cooperation and
> > collaboration between a space's members the space simply is not viable
> > or sustainable.
> >
> > And so goes coworking as a movement. "We" are too big now to continue
> > to sustain the viabilty and development of this movement without some
> > level of official organization. It's not about "dues" or "chapters" or
> > somesuch. It's simply about doing things that benefit every coworking
> > space. The Map is a good example of good intentions gone wrong. I HATE
> > reinventing the wheel. We are at a point where we are too large as a
> > movement to be able to be in touch with everyone to avoid duplication
> > of effort.
> >
> > The coworker library is a great idea. Seems simpler to refer people a
> > central repository rather than "just search the Google Group; this has
> > already been discussed." Making the Coworking Visa a real program that
> > we can promote within and without our spaces would be excellent.
> > Developing real, valuable discounts, alliances, partnerships etc. (or
> > guidelines or a toolkit to do so) that will benefit spaces and their
> > members would be cool.
> >
> > So, Jacob, put me down.
> >
> > Let's talk, communicate, whetever and flesh this out some more and
> > maybe present a draft construct at SXSW.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Todd
> > C4 Workspace
> > San Antonio, TX
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Re: [Coworking] A Coworking Library?

[Jacob Sayles]

Thanks everyone!

I've been thinking a lot about this and there are still a lot of ways this
could go.  The trick is creating something that can process the consistent,
steady flow of data with an inconsistent, volunteer work force.  That or you
shift to a non-volunteer work force, which requires money.  How do folks see
this working out?  The topic of fundraising has come up before.  Where are
folks at these days?

And I'll proactively respond to anyone that comes back with "If you use
 you won't need anyone to manage the data".  This
is fundamentally not a software problem as all tools still need humans to
use them and keep them running and it doesn't matter how "easy" it is.

So back to my original question.  How do we build an organization that is
tasked with gathering and organizing all this wonderful data?

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On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Alex Hillman
wrote:

> Amen to what Tony said.
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Tony Bacigalupo <
> tonybacigal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was walking to my subway train yesterday and a postcard laying on the
>> sidewalk caught my eye.
>>
>> It was a promotion for a creative space in Brooklyn that touted coworking
>> space as one of its offerings.
>>
>> It was not far from the neighborhood I live in. I had never heard of it.
>> And I'm in the business of knowing  who's doing coworking in NYC.
>>
>> In other words, the cat is very much out of the bag. People are taking the
>> coworking concept and running with it in a lot of different directions, so
>> forget any notion of an official or central anything.
>>
>> Jacob, build something awesome and they will come. There are more of us
>> every single day!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
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>> Announcing NWCU: Our people-powered educational program. http://nwc.co/u
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Alex Hillman <
>> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An initiative like this needs strong leadership with clearly defined
>>> intentions. Jacob's done a good job articulating this here and in one-on-one
>>> conversations, though there's still work to be done defining it and he
>>> recognizes that. He's got a well expressed vision tempered with an open
>>> mind.
>>>
>>> I've expressed my concerns about the potential for "over-organization"
>>> with the coworking community, but also see great work being done by good
>>> leaders who guide and motivate - like Angel's work this past year with the
>>> Coworking Blog. I'd love to see that sort of progress made elsewhere, as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> There's a happy medium that can be achieved, and I can't think of a
>>> better person to head this up than Jacob.
>>>
>>> Just don't fuck it up, man. :)
>>>
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>> /ah
>>> indyhall.org
>>> coworking in philadelphia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:31 PM, The Orchestrator wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jacob,
>>>>
>>>> This somewhat describes a "Coworking Collective" as a resource center to
>>>> help all coworking establishments.  It allows individuality or allows those
>>>> to team up as well, and allows for profit or not for profit.  There are so
>>>> many resources spawning around coworking, someone or some organization has
>>>> to and needs to "collect" it, organize it and set up sessions for all to
>>>> meet and go beyond this cyber communications world.  From my own personal
>>>> experience on this google groups and other cyber forums, there are people 
>>>> on
>>>> here and there who don't have a clue, or could be some teenager just 
>>>> chiming
>>>> in, at random.  I called someone on here to get a one on one chat to see if
>>>> he was for real, and the guy was off his rocker, with profanity, etc.
>>>> basically a waste of my time. I think I've earned my way with education,
>>>> hard work, and proven and seasoned experience to not waste my time speaking
>>>> to a child like person I met on Google Groups or some other cyber
>>>> collaboration pl

Re: [Coworking] Taking the coworking business model to the next level

[Jacob Sayles]

Frauke,

Sounds very exciting.  I'm not exactly sure how to answer your questions as
they are rather lofty and could go in so many different directions.  I will
say we don't do much in the way of products and services at Office Nomads
because we haven't seen the demand for them.  We are in the coworking
business and that is where we have focused our energies.  Keeping things
simple has yielded many rewards.

I hope that's a good start.

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On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Frauke Godat
wrote:

> Hello to all,
>
> My name is Frauke and I am from Berlin in Germany.
>
> I have been involved with the Hub Berlin  for the
> past 3,5 years and I have also initiated a project around an
> intergenerational future learning space for schools.
>
> I am currently consulting the start-up of a new international coworking
> space in Berlin and I am looking at the coworking business model at the
> moment.
>
> And here is my question to the community: how have you innovated with the
> business model in your coworking space? In regards to products and services?
>
> I am also about to start a local working group with collaboration partners
> here in Berlin around the starting question: what's the next level of
> coworking?
>
> Am happy to share some insights of this work soon on this list...
>
> Best,
> Frauke
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Re: [Coworking] Coworking Community Expertise

[Jacob Sayles]

I don't think we would need to suffer the disruption of trying to move a
large group like this.  It seems to me we could achieve many of the results
people are looking for by building on top of the existing Google Group.  I
also just got put in touch with the Groups Project Manager over at Google
and there is an opportunity to work with them to make it a better tool for
us.

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On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Alex Hillman  wrote:

> This is a great expression of why I think we should consider something more
> versatile than the Google Group.
>
> I know this was shot down once before, but having "sub-forums" will allow
> for more focused discussions to emerge without people needing to wonder or
> worry about who's listening - or not interested - in their
> idea/inquiry/post.
>
> I really don't think a "social network" is the solution to this, since they
> become TOO fragmented. But some light construct for things like job/business
> opportunities, industry-specific questions, coworking newbs, coworking vets,
> marketing questions, space questions, etc...could each have their own
> sub-forum. This would also allow the "general forum" to be more of a casual
> meeting place for all of us rather than a place with several dozen new
> threads every week, many repeating.
>
> I'd be willing to go back to Zoho again since they were interested in
> providing the service free to us as a "community" or Open Source Software
> style project. The only cost would be in moving the existing coworking
> google groups' contents into it.
>
> Unless someone gives me a specific reason NOT to, I'm going to pursue it
> again and report back.
>
> -Alex
>
>
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Blair Gordon 
> wrote:
>
>> i like this idea of collaboration, after all its what we are all about.
>>  Maybe a website, a social network of sorts for co-working and
>> collaboration. Allow fellow co-workers and entrepreneurs to find like minded
>> people with the skills they seek.
>> I am opening my first co working facility in columbus soon and I would
>> love to be able to offer my people the connection to a dedicated social
>> network
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Re: [Coworking] Inexpensive Standing Desks

[Jacob Sayles]

It's only been one day as I built them over the weekend.  It works out
really well because we have them up against a half wall which provides
stability as well as visibility across the space.

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On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:

> Wow, great simple solution.  For how long have you had these?  Are they
> proving to be sturdy?  FYI, and I only say this as an engineer and
> architect: tables built like are more prone to tilting over, unless properly
> attached.  ...kind of like a [floppy] disassembled cardboard box without
> lateral bracing.
>
>
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> On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Jacob Sayles wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> We've had a number of our members ask about standing desks and we came up
> with a quick, and inexpensive way to jack up the standard Ikea legs we use
> throughout the office.  Turns out 2" PVC piping fits the outside dimensions
> of the legs perfectly.  Drill a few holes in the plastic pipe and put a bolt
> through them and you've got a standing desk!  The legs I made can be
> adjusted to 5 different heights by moving the bolts up or down.  Total cost
> for 3 desks was less then $18.
>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Registry Profile Wireframes

[Jacob Sayles]

Exactly.  A lot of software "solutions" try to avoid the more difficult
questions and then people are perplexed why a seemingly feature rich tool
gets a less then stellar reception.  We live with so many tools we don't
need... Anyone own a slap-chop?  Take this on and you've really got
something.

>From the conversations I've had with you Jonathan it sounds like you
understand this pretty well and I'm excited to see you working so hard on
this.

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2011/2/1 Alex Hillman 

> +1 to asking "why" vs. "what".
>
> Harder to ask and answer, but so much more valuable to know!
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
>
>
> 2011/2/1 Jes 
>
> I like the third alternate and really like the idea of having a check
>> list of the types of people in a space, though I don't think it
>> necessarily is determined by what the people are doing, but also why
>> they are choosing to cowork. For example, my (very new, almost-open)
>> space is seeming to attract a lot of parents looking for flexible
>> office space. When we all get together, whether they be a nurse with a
>> health consulting company, an aerospace engineer, or web host, they
>> all have a common ground for talking as they understand the
>> difficulties of working around the little people's schedules. It seems
>> to be one of the things that gets talked about the most and it lends
>> itself to creating a supportive environment!
>>
>> Jes
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 9:39 am, Liu Yan  wrote:
>> > Ha, we tried something similar to "www.threewords.me"with our own team
>> > members, the results are very interesting and surprising to the person
>> > him/herself! ;)
>> >
>> > 2011/2/2 Alex Hillman :
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Or take a page out of the recent pehnom, "www.threewords.me", and let
>> people
>> > > choose 3 words to describe a space/community and aggregate the popular
>> ones
>> > > at the top.
>> > > Neat idea.
>> > > -Alex
>> > > /ah
>> > > indyhall.org
>> > > coworking in philadelphia
>> >
>> > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Joel Bennett 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Jonathan/Alex- Would there be a possibility to allow them to "tag"
>> the
>> > >> space with terms that describe it?  You could prepopulate some terms
>> as part
>> > >> of a check box or something ("open", "collaborative", "hip",
>> "artistic",
>> > >> etc.) but then allow them to choose a few of their own.  Or maybe
>> them only
>> > >> choosing one word to describe the space would be better... "If you
>> could
>> > >> describe this community in one word/phrase, what would you say?".
>>  Then
>> > >> allow the terms to describe the space as part of a tag cloud based on
>> the
>> > >> users submissions.
>> >
>> > >> Just a thought.
>> >
>> > >> Thanks & God Bless,
>> >
>> > >> Joel Bennett
>> >
>> > >> Chief Dreamchaser
>> >
>> > >> Veel Hoeden, LLC
>> >
>> > >> veelhoe...@gmail.com
>> >
>> > >>http://veelhoeden.posterous.com/
>> >
>> > >>http://www.twitter.com/veelhoeden
>> >
>> > >> From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:coworking@googlegroups.com]
>> On
>> > >> Behalf Of Alex Hillman
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:11 AM
>> > >> To: coworking@googlegroups.com
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Coworking] Coworking Registry Profile Wireframes
>> >
>> > >> I agree with Jerome on Alt. 2.
>> >
>> > >> The biggest thing I continually see missing from directories like
>> this is
>> > >> a sort of sense of humanity - physical attributes are useful in
>> determining
>> > >> what you DON'T want, but make it hard to differentiate between one
>> space and
>> > >> the next once you know what you DO want.
>> >
>> > >> Is there any room for fields that allow members (and possibly even
>> > >> visitors) to describe the space's members (or perhaps an idea of
>> industries
>> > >> represented), interactions they've had, activities and associations,
>> etc?
>> > >> I'm trying to think of a listing on this directory more like a
>> "dating
>> > >> profile" where I can get a sense of the personality of a space and
>> its
>> > >> members beyond "how many desks it has".
>> >
>> > >> Maybe comments serves that purpose to begin, but I'm wondering if
>> anyone
>> > >> has ideas for other ways to elicit these kinds of non-physical
>> attributes
>> > >> and store them along with the directory listing?
>> >
>> > >> -Alex
>> >
>> > >> /ah
>> > >> indyhall.org
>> > >> coworking in philadelphia
>> >
>> > >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jerome Chang <
>> jer...@blankspaces.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Wow - looks great!  I like alternate 2 the best - seems to have more
>> > >> breathing room.
>> >
>> > >> What's the tall vertical box between the ads and the space photos
>> for?
>> >
>> > >> Jerome
>> > >> __
>> > >> BLANKSPACES
>> > >> "work FOR yourself, not BY yourself"
>> >
>> > >>www.blankspaces.com
>> > >> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea)
>> > >> Los Ange

Re: [Coworking] Sitting in my new space :)

[Jacob Sayles]

So fun!  Susan and I did races around the office when we first got it.  I
remember being scared to go to the bathroom because someone might walk in or
the phone might ring.   Congratulation!

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On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jes  wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> If you've seen me post before, you know that I am thisclose to
> opening! Last night I hosted a local web group's meetup and it went
> really well with nice feedback.
>
> Today, I am hosting my first Jelly (even cute little bowls of jelly
> beans at each workstation) but I sit here alone because today all
> local schools are canceled due to weather (we've been having a
> gorgeous winter here until 2 days ago, and though it is still pretty,
> it is negative digits and snowy...). So, alas, my first day of
> coworking, I am working alone. But! I'm not all that down about it
> because 1. The space is finished! and 2. I had 3 people scheduled to
> come and they called/emailed to cancel so I know they were still
> thinking about it, and 3. I really love the space, the reasons behind
> the space, and with this kind of excitement, I find it hard to believe
> it won't be infectious :)
>
> Just thought I'd reach out to a community I know who cares and
> understands the opening of a space. I uploaded the finished pictures
> on my facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/networkcoworking , so, if
> you have a moment check them out and celebrate with me!
>
> Opening day is 2/14 and I have a fun event scheduled for 2/27 (Bloggie
> Awards Party). If you find yourself in Longmont, CO, I'd love to see
> you!
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Re: [Coworking] Unspoken Etiquette

[Jacob Sayles]

And Mashable just published a piece on this very topic:
http://mashable.com/2011/02/08/improve-coworking-experience/

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On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Rob Hudson  wrote:

> Put your phone on silent or LOW vibrate.
> Make/take calls outside of the area if possible. If not, ask others if they
> mind if you take/make calls.
> No stinky food.
> Use headphones. Not the shitty ones that blast tinny noise all over the
> place.
> Take a hint when someone wants to get work done. Learn to appreciate subtle
> signals. Know if you're a talkaholic.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Alex Hillman  > wrote:
>
>> We have 2 "rules".
>>
>> Don't be an asshole.
>> Pay your membership dues.
>>
>> Other than that, Indy Hall is a community of trust. What does that mean?
>>
>> Read/watch/listen on:
>> http://www.indyhall.org/blog/2009/04/18/indyhall-201-communities-of-trust/
>>
>> /ah
>> indyhall.org
>> coworking in philadelphia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Brian Whipple wrote:
>>
>>> Is there some sort of unspoken etiquette that is common in most
>>> coworking spaces?
>>> Obviously there will be some that become about naturally, but what are
>>> some that might need to be enforced?
>>> Should there be some sort of etiquette in group brainstorms?
>>>
>>> Just want to have a heads up for when we open our space.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Whipple
>>> www.IncubationWorks.com
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Re: [Coworking] Insurance

[Jacob Sayles]

The research I did recently points to this very thing.  You can negotiate a
group rate if you have an organization large enough/influential enough to
have some sway.   An individual coworking space wouldn't cut it.  It brings
up the "coworking association" idea that was one of the major side topics
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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Alex Hillman
wrote:

> Confirmed. Basically, the organizations that CAN do anything offer
> worse-than-average rates.
>
> In most cities/states, it's not legal for insurance to be pooled this way.
>
> New York was able to overcome this in the formation of The Freelancer's
> Union, which is actually more of a lobby group than a union in the fact that
> they actually changed legislation in NYC in order to offer a special kind of
> group insurance.
>
> -Alex
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:
>
>> No can do in California.  Everyone's tried it and it doesn't work legally
>> here.  Sucks.
>>
>>
>> Jerome
>>  __
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>>
>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Blair Gordon wrote:
>>
>> I was talking to my insurance agent about my insurance and he asked me if
>> anyone has ever tried to get insurance for their members.  Some insurance
>> companies offer group health insurance rates to churches for their members,
>> unions for their members.  He was going to get the details and get back to
>> me.
>> I just thought it was interesting
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Re: [Coworking] Announcing DigiCafe

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Welcome to the group!  There are verious levels of "commerce" going on in
this community.  We've worked really hard at Office Nomads to find the right
balance for our members.  It's not an easy thing to do and even harder to
talk about since every community has different elements they are working
with.  Listen to your members and you'll make the right choices.

It's always fun to see new spaces opening up.  Welcome.

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On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 7:44 AM, SN  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We've been diligently working on DigiCafe for over a year now, and I
> think it's now time to reveal it to the group for critique and advice.
>
> DigiCafe is a bit different..and I suspect might draw some criticism
> for it's more commercial approach to Coworking, but be assured - deep
> down, our commercial drive of this is intended to make sure it's last
> longing. We could never do this without groups like CS (good luck to
> SF on replacing such a resource)
>
> Anyhow, back to the point: DigiCafe, it's a coworking cafe. An 8000
> square foot building with a cafe on the first floor, leading to the
> dedicated coworking space no the second floor - the unique downtown
> Houston building also features a rooftop patio.
>
> The team behind DigiCafe is built of both members with restaurant/cafe
> experience, as well as a a few who have telecommuted extensively for
> the past 12+ years, and coworked over the last couple..
>
> We're slated to open this summer. Would love to hear some feedback on
> the new site - www.digicafe.com
>
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Re: [Coworking] remove me please

[Jacob Sayles]

Chris,

Interesting social commentary, and interesting that you chose to call it
out.  Nothing is easy with a community of 3000+ people and there is always a
"better way to do it".  It's a challenge to balance everything out and with
such a broad group it's hard to know how to "be nice" or "be helpful".  I
love to take things offline, but I also appreciate seeing what is going on.
 It's not always easy to find the right mix.  I think our moderators are
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On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Chris Foote (Spike) wrote:

> Interesting subtle change in the way that listervs have been run over the
> years.
>
> In the past when a subscriber to a list sent a "please get me off this
> list" one of the admins would deal with it and contact the individual *off
> list*.
>
> These days it seems to be the norm to send messages to people and all the
> other subscribers telling them how to do it themselves. On another Google
> Group (that I will not mention) the potential subscriber was subjected to a
> torrent of unhelpful ridicule from other members.
>
> This Google Group has over 3000 subscribers and five admins - could one of
> them not have contacted the person concerned - off-list - and dealt with it
> privately.
>
> This change in the way that "list moms" see their role does not confine
> itself to this Google Group, I'm seeing it more and more in other places
> too.
>
> Spike
>
> Tara Hunt wrote:
>
>> Sheila,
>>
>> This is google groups...you can remove yourself...please see the signature
>> line below every email.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:13 PM, sheila sookram <
>> sheilasookram122...@yahoo.com >
>> wrote:
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Re: [Coworking] Forum Segmentation

[Jacob Sayles]

Great tip.  I bet a community like TED has a lot of the same issues we face.
 Does anyone know any of the moderators that might be willing to talk with
us about how they came about with their solution?

In other news, Tony B. rocked a connection and got me in contact with the
project manager for Google Groups and I pitched my forum/mailing list hybrid
idea to him.  He loved it and asked if we would be open to being beta
testers for some of their new features.  Impossible to know timeline or how
that would work out, but it's fun to be part of the conversation.

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On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Alex Hillman
wrote:

> I know I've brought this up more than once but I can't help but highlight a
> new "forum" where people posting messages are given the choice of the
> context of their post - which also gives the readers some visual context and
> choice of their own.
>
> TED just launched TED conversations, which looks like it's full of super
> smart people asking really interesting questions, sharing very big ideas,
> and guiding fascinating debates.
>
>  Each of these prompts brings distinct value in a style of conversation,
> something I'd like to see more of in terms of high value to this list.
>
> I know we don't have a solution today, but this is something I hope to see
> for this list in the future!
>
> -Alex
>
> /ah
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Re: [Coworking] Human element of space directories

[Jacob Sayles]

Angel,

Yes yes yes!  This has been the direction I've been working towards all
along and there are some significant challenges to incorporate.

First, our members mostly just want a great place to work and they think
it's neat that there are a number of other spaces around the world, but they
are more interested in the work they are doing.  It's the space owners that
are more invested in the larger coworking movement so they are the people
who are putting in the work.  They want to talk about their space mostly,
what they build, etc.  I talk up our members and their incredible
storiesall the time but
I wouldn't be able to keep individual profiles up to date.
 It's enough work to highlight them on our
website.


I have lots of thoughts on the Coworking Registry and where it fits in the
wider vision.  Mostly it starts with how difficult it is to "organize" the
coworking wiki which is currently mostly used to list spaces.  If we could
get that buttoned up in a simple, central, neutral, way, and make it all
free and open data, then there is a lot we can do with that.  It's only one
piece of the puzzle though.

I could go in so many directions from here but I'll leave it at that.  The
conversation is going to be great in Austin.  :)

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On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

> When Alex said, "The biggest thing I continually see missing from
> directories like this is a
> sort of sense of humanity - physical attributes are useful in
> determining
> what you DON'T want, but make it hard to differentiate between one
> space and
> the next once you know what you DO want."
>
> I've been reading up on the coworking registry database and whatnot
> but again as a member just told me, "I don't want to know where the
> desks/spaces are, I want to know where my people are." I think that as
> a community of community-minded people-centric people we missed the
> boat. Big time. As a matter of fact, we're in the wrong boat going the
> wrong direction on the wrong river.
>
> Idea: what if we have a place where coworkers can tell their stories?
> That's it. Tell your story about how you found coworking, why you
> cowork, where you cowork and how it has changed your life. Tag those
> posts with city names and space names and let the wider community of
> prospective coworkers find their tribe there.
>
> *Question: as a space owner do you think you could inspire your
> communities to contribute their stories online?*
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Re: [Coworking] Smelly aftershave/cologne, noisy laptop sound guy, and nervous legs

[Jacob Sayles]

Best solution is to talk with folks.  Take a few deep breaths and strike up
a casual conversation.  I have a silly habit of knocking on my desk when I
get excited (which is often) and I've had folks point it out to me numerous
times.  It's all about taking the pressure off it and just expressing where
you are coming from.  Also, situations like this come up all the time in a
shared work environment so setting a tone and good examples of positive
conflict management goes a long way.

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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Rob Hudson  wrote:

> What are tactful ways to handle these situations as a coworker? The
> obnoxious cologne gvies me a headache, the nervous legs vibrate the table,
> and the noisy laptop sounds guy shows people videos on his laptop with loud,
> tinny dialogue.
>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Human element of space directories

[Jacob Sayles]

Interesting... so maybe a network only accessible if you are a member of a
participating coworking space...

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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Jeannine wrote:

> I think I am coming into an existing conversation but I don't know
> where it is, anybody who could add a link to it would be doing me a
> great service.
>
> It may be cultural -- Dutch guys are generally aware of the
> possibilities of a global network for good and valid geographical
> reasons -- but my own folks are very interested in the notion of the
> larger coworking movement.  But I don't knwo that I could get them to
> tell their stories as notions of privacy are somewhat different here.
> Maybe.  But what really makes them perk up their ears is the idea of a
> board where they can find contacts in other countries to work with who
> are at least a little bit "our people".
>
> I will tell you that I have some concern about this feeling of trust:
> I am all about openness but have no desire to help a scam artist to my
> members, you know?
>
> For stories, if I could get my memebrs to tell their stories in
> english I would probablyu put them on the blog, have I got a
> misunderstanding about what the blog is for?
>
> I think the TED profiles strike a good balance, here is mine:
> http://www.ted.com/profiles/647111  The nice part about TED profiles
> is that they don't hsow what you don't fill out with a few exceptions,
> so your profile does not look like you are just a slacker or are
> hiding something.
>
> Jeannine
> On 23 feb, 01:32, Jacob Sayles  wrote:
> > Angel,
> >
> > Yes yes yes!  This has been the direction I've been working towards all
> > along and there are some significant challenges to incorporate.
> >
> > First, our members mostly just want a great place to work and they think
> > it's neat that there are a number of other spaces around the world, but
> they
> > are more interested in the work they are doing.  It's the space owners
> that
> > are more invested in the larger coworking movement so they are the people
> > who are putting in the work.  They want to talk about their space mostly,
> > what they build, etc.  I talk up our members and their incredible
> > stories<http://www.texttheromanceback.com/rachaelray>all the time but
> > I wouldn't be able to keep individual profiles up to date.
> >  It's enough work to highlight them on our
> > website<http://officenomads.com/category/featured-nomad/>.
> >
> > I have lots of thoughts on the Coworking Registry and where it fits in
> the
> > wider vision.  Mostly it starts with how difficult it is to "organize"
> the
> > coworking wiki which is currently mostly used to list spaces.  If we
> could
> > get that buttoned up in a simple, central, neutral, way, and make it all
> > free and open data, then there is a lot we can do with that.  It's only
> one
> > piece of the puzzle though.
> >
> > I could go in so many directions from here but I'll leave it at that.
>  The
> > conversation is going to be great in Austin.  :)
> >
> > Jacob
> >
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> >
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Angel Kwiatkowski <
> fccowork...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > When Alex said, "The biggest thing I continually see missing from
> > > directories like this is a
> > > sort of sense of humanity - physical attributes are useful in
> > > determining
> > > what you DON'T want, but make it hard to differentiate between one
> > > space and
> > > the next once you know what you DO want."
> >
> > > I've been reading up on the coworking registry database and whatnot
> > > but again as a member just told me, "I don't want to know where the
> > > desks/spaces are, I want to know where my people are." I think that as
> > > a community of community-minded people-centric people we missed the
> > > boat. Big time. As a matter of fact, we're in the wrong boat going the
> > > wrong direction on the wrong river.
> >
> > > Idea: what if we have a place where coworkers can tell their stories?
> > > That's it. Tell your story about how you found coworking, why you
> > > cowork, where you cowork and how it has changed your life. Tag those
> > > posts with 

Re: [Coworking] Re: Human element of space directories

[Jacob Sayles]

That looks really great Brian!  Are you going to be down in Austin?

Jacob

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On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Brian Sierakowski <
briansierakow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tis indeed the plan, and much gratitude goes out to Alex for helping
> us cross the chasm as it were :).
>
> If anyone else is interested in what we're doing, let me know and I'll
> get you up to speed! You can see a prototype here: Cahoots.co , Alex
> and I have been sparring on some execution questions, but this puts
> you in the ballpark.
>
> Thanks,
> -Brian
> (br...@cahoots.co)
>
> On Feb 23, 2:18 pm, Alex Hillman  wrote:
> > I think that participation comes with an element of trust, for sure. But
> I
> > like that quite a bit.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > /ah
> > indyhall.org
> > coworking in philadelphia
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Jacob Sayles  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Interesting... so maybe a network only accessible if you are a member
> of a
> > > participating coworking space...
> >
> > > Jacob
> >
> > > ---
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> >
> > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Jeannine <
> flexkantoorkame...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >> I think I am coming into an existing conversation but I don't know
> > >> where it is, anybody who could add a link to it would be doing me a
> > >> great service.
> >
> > >> It may be cultural -- Dutch guys are generally aware of the
> > >> possibilities of a global network for good and valid geographical
> > >> reasons -- but my own folks are very interested in the notion of the
> > >> larger coworking movement.  But I don't knwo that I could get them to
> > >> tell their stories as notions of privacy are somewhat different here.
> > >> Maybe.  But what really makes them perk up their ears is the idea of a
> > >> board where they can find contacts in other countries to work with who
> > >> are at least a little bit "our people".
> >
> > >> I will tell you that I have some concern about this feeling of trust:
> > >> I am all about openness but have no desire to help a scam artist to my
> > >> members, you know?
> >
> > >> For stories, if I could get my memebrs to tell their stories in
> > >> english I would probablyu put them on the blog, have I got a
> > >> misunderstanding about what the blog is for?
> >
> > >> I think the TED profiles strike a good balance, here is mine:
> > >>http://www.ted.com/profiles/647111 The nice part about TED profiles
> > >> is that they don't hsow what you don't fill out with a few exceptions,
> > >> so your profile does not look like you are just a slacker or are
> > >> hiding something.
> >
> > >> Jeannine
> > >> On 23 feb, 01:32, Jacob Sayles  wrote:
> > >> > Angel,
> >
> > >> > Yes yes yes!  This has been the direction I've been working towards
> all
> > >> > along and there are some significant challenges to incorporate.
> >
> > >> > First, our members mostly just want a great place to work and they
> think
> > >> > it's neat that there are a number of other spaces around the world,
> but
> > >> they
> > >> > are more interested in the work they are doing.  It's the space
> owners
> > >> that
> > >> > are more invested in the larger coworking movement so they are the
> > >> people
> > >> > who are putting in the work.  They want to talk about their space
> > >> mostly,
> > >> > what they build, etc.  I talk up our members and their incredible
> > >> > stories<http://www.texttheromanceback.com/rachaelray>all the time
> but
> > >> > I wouldn't be able to keep individual profiles up to date.
> > >> >  It's enough work to highlight them on our
> > >> > website<http://officenomads.com/category/featured-nomad/>.
> >
> > >> > I have lots of thoughts on the Coworking Registry and where it fits
> in
> > >> the
> > >> > wider vision.  Mostly it starts with how difficult it is to
> "organize"
> > >&g

Re: [Coworking] Standard Membership Types

[Jacob Sayles]

Jonathan,

I caution against any form of standardization.  I know it makes it easier
for the software, but this is a community of individuals that can't even
decide on the definition of coworking.  We each know it in our hearts, and
that is enough.  I'm trying to summarize quickly for the sake of fitting
this into an email but that right there is a crucial factor in how this
community sticks together.  It's a subtle nuance that can be really
difficult to wrap your head around but it's critically important.  That
might sound like something that is difficult to work with but it is also
really easy to make solutions with this in mind if you don't try to fight
it.  Our current tools, the google group and the wiki page, are
all-inclusive and neutral and no one has to conform to any standard to
participate.  I've spent a lot of time studying why these tools work for us,
despite all the drawbacks people love to debate.

Again, it's really tricky for me to explain this via email and I look
forward to talking about this more over beers in Austin.  Am I just being
cryptic here or does this make sense to people?  Anyone care to paraphrase
what I'm trying to get at here?

Jacob

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On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Jonathan Yankovich <
jonathan.yankov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm working on adding more metadata to coworkingregistry.org and one of
> the things we identified was having rates information for various membership
> levels.  Now, I KNOW that each facility has different membership levels that
> offer different levels of service, access, etc, but for the purposes of
> standardization and communication, I'd like to identify some common
> membership levels.
>
> Currently, when I look at most spaces' web sites, I see the following
> levels:
>
>1) Drop-In - A one-day pass to work while the space is open, like a 9-5
> Hotdesk member but for one day.  (No storage.)
>
>2) Hotdesk 9-5 - Access to a desk/chair/resources every day that the
> space has open hours.  No key.  Bring your laptop, take it when you leave.
>  "Leave no trace" coworking, unless a project locker is provided.
>
>3) Hotdesk 24/7 - Access to a desk/chair/resources as well as a
> key/card/code so you can access the space whenever you want.
>
>4) Permadesk - Your own established desk with whatever storage is
> provided.  Commonly you might leave a laptop or desktop computer at your
> desk.  Permadesk generally includes 24/7 access (key/card/code).
>
> There are generally higher "tenant" or "anchor tenant" types of members,
> but these are usually custom/contract relationships and not something that
> needs advertising.  It might be valuable to have a "Looking for anchor
> tenant" option on coworkingregistry, but saying more than that is probably
> not necessary.
>
> So what does everyone think of these 4 general levels of membership?
>
> Are these good names, or are there better names for these things?  Do these
> names translate well into other languages?
>
> Remember that the exact offering will vary from space to space in terms of
> the hours of availability, additional amenities, access to meetup/conference
> room spaces, and so on.  I dont propose that we try to agree on those, or
> get spaces to change what they offer.  What I'm trying to establish is a few
> general/base levels of membership that we can use to talk about membership
> across spaces in a general way.  For example, everyone generally knows what
> a day-pass or drop-in is.  Does this make sense?
>
> See you in Austin,
>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Standard Membership Types

[Jacob Sayles]

Precisely.  It's easy to get lost in what the software can do, but it's
important to carefully consider what the software should, or shouldn't do.
 And let's not all conform to the software and lose all our beautiful
differences.

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On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Jeannine wrote:

> I was about to mention Deskbookers.nl, and you beat me to it.  Here's
> the thing: there are several different groups looking for a coworking
> space. One, and the one that is the easiest to serve from a portal
> perspective, is the mobile worker who wants a drop in desk or the
> folks who want a room for a meeting or a workshop.  They are the early
> adopters and they are the ones most likely to use a portal.  But
> unless you are Seats2meet (which incidentally mostly does not use
> portals) or easyoffice (ditto) they are not the majority of most
> coworking spaces' business.
>
> I like Frank a lot and I like Desbookers a lot also.  But other than
> as a way to get the name of your space under the eyes of many people,
> such a portal isn't particularly helpful in terms of long term
> relationships (which is what the core business is, at least for a lot
> of us).  It encourages the perception of coworking as a place where
> people drop in for one day, pay as little as possible, and then go
> away.  This in turn encourages a race to the bottom in which everybody
> is trying to exploit everybody else as much as possible.  This would
> be something closer to De Oude Onzin than it is to Het Nieuwe Werken.
>
> Worksnug, on the other hand (the webpage and the app) has scales for
> number of power outlets, number of dataports, refreshements available,
> community, noise level, and formal areas, as well as whether
> membership is required.  Now, worksnug is not about booking, it is
> about locating.  But the Coworking Registry is also not about booking
> but about locating.  So I don't think I (myself) would be willing to
> subsume it all to a question of price per desk, which is what I think
> the proposed grid does.  It's not a booking site.
>
> Jeannine
> On Feb 28, 1:26 pm, Joel Haasnoot  wrote:
> > > "Make the fields fillinable and you'll find more adapters."
> >
> > I'm all with you on that from the perspective of coworking spaces.
> > However, it's painfully hard software-wise to compare dissimilar
> > options.
> >
> > I'm developer for a booking portal for coworking spaces, and we
> > decided to standardise on workspace categories (i.e "open
> > workspace"/desk, "closed workspace"/an office, or "meeting rooms" of
> > various sizes). This makes price comparisons between different spaces
> > much much easier, and per category spaces can still specify the
> > facilities that are available to that category of workspace. If you
> > allow spaces to provide their own categories it becomes very
> > complicated very quickly, and it's almost impossible to compare price
> > because of the dissimilarity of what's offered.
> >
> > I'd stick with a couple of standardized options for the
> > coworkregistry, or risk not having a good comparison tool.
> >
> > Joel Haasnoot
> > Developer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 02:28,   wrote:
> > > Our 2cents.   One size fits all does not fit coworking.  When it comes
> to
> > > membership costs there are   Different models, different overheads,
> > > different cultures, different economy, diffferent values, etc.  Even
> when
> > > it comes to naming levels.  Hotdesk vs Flexdex, and so on.  Make the
> > > fields fillinable and you'll find more adapters.
> >
> > > Chad
> > > The Creative Space
> > > Barrie, Ontario, Canada
> > > Www.thecreativespace.ca
> >
> > > Jonathan,
> >
> > >> I caution against any form of standardization.  I know it makes it
> easier
> > >> for the software, but this is a community of individuals that can't
> even
> > >> decide on the definition of coworking.  We each know it in our hearts,
> and
> > >> that is enough.  I'm trying to summarize quickly for the sake of
> fitting
> > >> this into an email but that right there is a crucial factor in how
> this
> > >> community sticks together.  It's a subtle nuance that can be really
> > >> difficult to wrap your head around but it's critically important.
>  That
> > >> might sound like something that is difficult to work with but it is
> also
> > >> really easy to make solutions with this in mind if you don't try to
> fight
> > >> it.  Our current tools, the google group and the wiki page, are
> > >> all-inclusive and neutral and no one has to conform to any standard to
> > >> participate.  I've spent a lot of time studying why these tools work
> for
> > >> us,
> > >> despite all the drawbacks people love to debate.
> >
> > >> Again, it's really tricky for me to explain this via email and I look
> > >> forward to talking about this more over beers in Austin.  Am I just
> being
> > >> cryptic here or does t

Re: [Coworking] IRC or Chat to organize the Unconference?

[Jacob Sayles]

There is another thread with similar things being asked.  Haven't seen an
actual plan form, but there are lots of ideas flying and Chris Dykstra just
offered to sponsor it through UpTake.

Topic:  [Coworking] About the Unconference: Who's for virtual attendance?

Jacob

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On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Jonathan Yankovich <
jonathan.yankov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Who has been heading up organization of the Unconference in Austin?  Is
> there a real-time chat (IRC or other) that we can use to discuss the
> goings-on?  I can bring some resources (camcorder, ustream account, wikibot
> recording platform possibly) but need to know what "need".
>
> -Jonathan
>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: How to Measure Coworking with Metrics - or not (Conversation)

[Jacob Sayles]

Excellent point Kevin.

Audience is key and influences intention greatly.  Often I see discussions
about directory listings focusing on out of town folks, and thus amenities
and price points.  Instead I believe we should focus on an audience that
knows what coworking is and wants to know which spaces close to them
associate with coworking and how to get in touch with them.  If we can build
a platform that provides this we can do all sorts of things with it.  For
example we'll have a way to quickly assess how things are going around the
world and we'll have a rallying point much like we have around the word
coworking itself.  The out of town folks can still use this to find places
to work and with an open API there can be sites that specifically cater to
their needs.

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Kevin Porter wrote:

> I've heard an argument that the English language is one of the most
> difficult to learn, although also very expressive, because the first
> dictionary was created before the language had time to settle into
> regular and natural expressions and patterns.  The argument goes that
> the English borrowed words from Latin and French (conception, appeal)
> German (Kind, Garden) and others as well.
>
> When these words were written down, their original roots, spellings,
> even pronunciation to some extent, remained.  So what does this have
> to do with coworking?
>
> I read in Alex's slides an excellent expression of customers/audience/
> market.  So I thought, who is the audience for this site?
>
> Local folks will hopefully have learned about the space through
> community focused means - local talk, friends, etc. and ideally will
> do some research, go to the website, ask around, build a strong,
> lasting, community-based relationship.
>
> If the audience for this particular site is out of town people, it
> seems like they need to know 1. does this location allow drop-ins 2.
> at what cost (or exchange network) and three - what else do I need to
> know...
>
> Maybe that last point is where the discussion is focused - What I need
> to know for one space ("Call ahead and reserve, we only have one desk
> available, but we're happy to hold it for you if you let us know"  is
> different than "Park in back of the Jelly Donut shop next door - we
> have an agreement with them."  Maybe a comment field is helpful there?
>
> Hope this is of value - very interesting discussion by the way!
>
> Best,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On Mar 1, 7:19 am, Alex Hillman  wrote:
> > > > clear vision communicated
> >
> > > That's a good idea - This could be expressed in a few sentences or
> perhaps
> > > a tag cloud, but tags probably arent enough...  Does it make sense for
> each
> > > space to have a 'vision' / mission / purpose field?
> >
> > Perhaps that'd help!
> >
> > >  > comparing the wrong attributes
> >
> > > What are the right attributes?  Are there /any/ worth quantifying?
> >
> > The best way I can say "no" to this is when we recently had some
> University
> > of Pennsylvania students have someone recommend they come and work from
> Indy
> > Hall over their winter break while the library was closed. They were
> > students so I offered them a severe cut-rate membership for a couple of
> > months in return for some feedback on how we could communicate better
> with
> > students.
> >
> > He said, "I'm so glad you gave me a chance to see and feel this for
> myself -
> > I'd read through your website and just from the language felt like I'd be
> > comfortable there, but you couldn't have described this place and what it
> > feels like in writing. It's an experience worth having."
> >
> > I think its important to break DOWN expectations in order to get the most
> > from a coworking space. When people come in with pre-set expectations,
> they
> > only "use" the space like they expect they're supposed to. We do a lot of
> > carefully nuanced things to make people second-guess their expectations,
> and
> > have found that it makes them more susceptible to the less usual
> > interactions around them having a lasting impact.
> >
> > > I totally get you on how over-definition results in killing the
> subtlety
> > > and nuance that makes coworking special to use.  That nuance comes
> through
> > > in people's web sites, which is why one of the first features I added
> to
> > > coreg was a screenshot of their website, but that could perhaps be
> bigger on
> > > the profiles page.  Photos help a lot too, to communicate personality
> and
> > > character.
> >
> > See above. Even on our OWN website, which we control completely, we
> missed
> > the mark. In our next redesign, I want to address this not by adding
> more,
> > but by taking things away.
> >
> > > One of the other purposes (audiences) that I was hoping this site would
> > > have is that of governments, where the site could serve to provide
> metrics
> > > for local/regi

Re: [Coworking] Attendance and Time Management

[Jacob Sayles]

Arun,

The two that I'm intimately familiar with are Nadine (developed out of
Office Nomads) and Cobot (developed out of Co.Up).  There are others as many
folks have rolled their own system.  The topic has come up a few times
before so searching the google group would turn up some fun clues.  If you
are looking to buy something right away, Cobot is by far the best in show
and you can be up and running with it very quickly.

Jacob

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> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if you guys use any option to track team
> attendance and time?
>
> Thanks!
> Arun
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Introduction - Shelly in Austin

[Jacob Sayles]

Welcome and thanks for the tour!

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> Hi! It's so RARE that we met in person first and then online!
>
> On Mar 15, 5:24 pm, Shelly Leonard  wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I just joined the group and wanted to introduce myself. I'm Shelly,
> > the new community manager for Conjunctured in Austin. I've worked here
> > for about a year and a half - and can't wait to team up with David and
> > Dusty for some awesome future plans. It was great meeting some of you
> > at the Coworking Happy Hour, and look forward to adding to the
> > discussion. :)
> >
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[Coworking] Re: Seattle: Downtown Coworking/shared space opportunity

[Jacob Sayles]

That is actually the first place I looked at.  I'm friends with the
guys on the top floor and am very familiar with that building.  You
should know that the freight elevator often is not working.  Being on
the 2nd floor that's not as rough as if you were further up.  I
decided to pass because of the questionable adherence to fire code
laws.

Location is nice, but I'm not sure Downtown is the best place for a
coworking space.  Easy bus access is great, but I'm finding the people
who are most interested are working out of their homes now and
everyone wants a short commute.  That to me translates into needing to
be close to a dense residential area such as Fremont of Capital Hill.
Thoughts?

Jacob Sayles
officenomads.com

On 4/19/07, Gregory Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just looked at an approximately 6000 sqr ft raw space in Downtown seattle,
> near the federal reserve (1st ave and madison).
>
> The space is a little rough right now but:
> Hardwood floors
> high ceilings
> big new windows on one end.
> freight elevator
> 2 bathrooms
> 2 built out rooms (the rest is wide open)
>
> 24 hour access
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregoryh/465853788/ "
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> width="500" height="375" alt="IMG_0731.JPG" />
>
> The rent is $5000 a month for the entire space.  heat is included.  There
> may be possibility of sharing internet with another space upstairs.
> The landlord might make accommodations in the rent if improvements are made
> (would be tenants' responsibility to coordinate)
> I have just started conversations with another tech minded person who's
> friend manages the building and a space upstairs.
>
> If anyone is at all interested in learning more, please reply to this
> thread.
> A decision has to be made in the next few weeks.  I can arrange for a
> showing of the space basically anytime.
>
> The space is really big, lots of potential, not just office space but
> painters, artists, and other hobbies could be accommodated easily.  There is
> a similar space the floor above that caters much more to artists and crafty
> people.
>
> The location is prime.
>
>
> -Gregory
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[Coworking] Re: Seattle: Downtown Coworking/shared space opportunity

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Sarah, we should talk.  I'm in the early stages of building a space
under the name Office Nomads.  I'm working on writing up the business
plan so I can get a loan and secure a space.   One space I currently
have an eye on the old Empty Space Theater in the heart of Fremont.
It's 4500 Sqft for $6750/mo + NNN.  I haven't tried to negotiate at
all since I don't have the financing.  I'll be at Fremont Coffee
tomorrow if you would like to discuss this further.

Jacob Sayles
officenomads.com

On 4/20/07, Sarah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I just got back to Seattle, and already miss Citizen Space, Tara's
> coworking space in San Francisco.
>
> I'm looking to find a mid-sized office in the Greenlake/Roosevelt/
> Fremont areas of Seattle.  I live in that neighborhood, and don't want
> to commute downtown.  I currently rent an office space at ActivSpace
> near Fremont, but the place is pretty lonely with it's little offices
> and lack of community.
>
> My priorities are include:
> -Location in the above neighborhoods.
> -Near transit or bike/walking paths.
> -A space that would be conducive to events.
>
> If anyone would like to meet for coffee and talk about potential
> spaces/formats for offices, let me know.  I'd like to start a space by
> late June 2007.
>
>
>
> >
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[Coworking] Re: Seattle: Downtown Coworking/shared space opportunity

[Jacob Sayles]

Aaron, we should talk.  I'm setting up a space here in Seattle and
have the same choices in neighborhoods.

Jacob Sayles
officenomads.com

On 4/25/07, Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thought I'd put in another vote for a space in Seattle for those of
> you thinking about organizing one. I'd be most interested in Fremont,
> Ballard, or Green Lake. Easy to find free parking is a must-have for
> me so I wouldn't want to be downtown or in Capital Hill.
>
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[Coworking] Seattle: Office Nomads Happy Hour

[Jacob Sayles]

Since Office Nomads started a month ago we have received a huge amount
of interest, support, and encouragement.  We're going to start meeting
once a week for happy hour to get people face to face.  Details for
our first meeting, next Wednesday, are below.  If you can't make this
one but would like to be on the list for future events, or if you
would like to suggest the location of the next one, please drop me a
line.

What:  Office Nomads Happy Hour
When:  Wednesday, May 2nd - 5PM
Where:  Norms - 460 N 36th St, 98103

See you there!

Jacob Sayles
Nomad & Founder
officenomads.com

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[Coworking] Re: Open Space vs Small Offices w/Doors

[Jacob Sayles]

It's a fine balance.  I personally want there to be a number of open
offices where people can duck in when they want to dig into something,
talk on the phone, or have a small meeting with a client.  I envision
most of the work being out on the open floor though with creative desk
placement, large tables, and comfortable furniture.

Jacob Sayles
Office Nomads
Seattle, WA

On 5/7/07, BrianR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I went to look at a potential office for a coworking space the other
> day. This one had around 2100 sq. ft and about 10 small offices. There
> is a small open space in front, a big room in back, and a kitchenette.
>
> If I rented this space should I knock down a few walls that make some
> small offices to create more open space?
> or
> Should I leave all the walls up and let people have doors?
>
> Lots of the pics I've seen of coworking spaces tend to have big rooms
> with shared desks. Is this open working environment essential to the
> coworking style? Will collaboration and community atmosphere suffer
> with lots of doors?
>
> I think a combo of both is probably the best. What do ya'll think are
> the advantages/disadvantages.
>
> -BrianR
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> >
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[Coworking] Re: Coworking Business Plan

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I'm doing the same thing here in Seattle and it's tricky balancing out
all the elements.  I have a rough spreadsheet that lets me adjust rent
and payroll to see what prices I would have to charge at what head
count.  The real question is are you trying to break even, or are you
trying to make money?  Add to that question how important is the
community aspect of a space like this.  If you go too corporate, or
scale too big, there could be a serious hit to the energy of the
place.  I know and trust myself to be the protector of the good vibes,
but there is no way to get that into a business model.  I'm still
trying to figure out if I'm going to approach a bank, or try to
bootstrap this myself.

I'd love to work with more on this if you would like to discuss this further.

Jacob Sayles
Nomad & Founder
officenomads.com

On 5/4/07, brydon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to put together a business plan to support the real estate
> financing to get a space in Guelph, Ontario for coworking.
>
> Does anyone have any advice or resources on determining a realistic
> workspaces/members ratio? For example, if you have 10 workspaces plus
> some solid common space then you can realistically support 30 full
> time members.
>
> thanks,
> brydon
>
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[Coworking] Re: Coworking Business Plan

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My full vision is to turn Office Nomads into exactly this kind of
resource.  I am based in Seattle, but I'm thinking bigger then just my
one (eventual) location.  The coworking wiki, and people like Tara and
Chris of Citizen Space are excellent resources.  I'd like to tie all
of this together and bring it to the people.  I'm still learning what
it takes to bring a space like this together and don't have any extra
resources to document and webify everything.  I would love to
collaborate more and offer real-estate on officenomads.com for the
task.

Jacob Sayles
Nomad & Founder
officenomads.com

On 5/7/07, Alex Hillman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm in the same spot, and because of the desire to keep things agile and
> remain experimental, am hesitant to go to banks or other "traditional"
> lending venues. Bootstrapping gives us more control in the right places.
>
> But, I'm still struggling to define costs, nonetheless.
>
> Perhaps the groups that are all in the same spot can help each other draft a
> document, a spreadsheet of some sort, to help us as well as others in the
> same spot moving forward? A good friend of my is a financial analyst and
> would be happy to offer advice on it once we get it to a point where we feel
> like sharing.
>
> -Alex
>
>
> On 5/7/07, Jacob Sayles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm doing the same thing here in Seattle and it's tricky balancing out
> > all the elements.  I have a rough spreadsheet that lets me adjust rent
> > and payroll to see what prices I would have to charge at what head
> > count.  The real question is are you trying to break even, or are you
> > trying to make money?  Add to that question how important is the
> > community aspect of a space like this.  If you go too corporate, or
> > scale too big, there could be a serious hit to the energy of the
> > place.  I know and trust myself to be the protector of the good vibes,
> > but there is no way to get that into a business model.  I'm still
> > trying to figure out if I'm going to approach a bank, or try to
> > bootstrap this myself.
> >
> > I'd love to work with more on this if you would like to discuss this
> further.
> >
> > Jacob Sayles
> > Nomad & Founder
> > officenomads.com
> >
> > On 5/4/07, brydon < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to put together a business plan to support the real estate
> > > financing to get a space in Guelph, Ontario for coworking.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any advice or resources on determining a realistic
> > > workspaces/members ratio? For example, if you have 10 workspaces plus
> > > some solid common space then you can realistically support 30 full
> > > time members.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > brydon
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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[Coworking] Seattle Coworking Day - Thursdays @Revolutions Coffee

[Jacob Sayles]

For all the coffee shop jockeys out there Office Nomads is descending
on Revolutions Coffee in Greenlake every Thursday.  We can start
working together even though we don't have a dedicated space.

http://www.thecoffeerevolution.com/

There is reliable internet service here, good taste in music, and
friendly folks behind the counter.  Oh, and the coffee and baked goods
are great too.  I look forward to working with you!

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Nomad & Founder
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[Coworking] Seattle: Office Nomads Potential Space

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There is a great space available in Ballard with easy bus access,
ample parking, and within walking distance of almost everything.

http://officenomads.com/space1/

We are going to combine our weekly happy hour next week with a tour of
the space.  Happy hour starts at 5 at Bad Albert's just one block
away.  At 6 the manager will let us in and show us around.  Then back
to Bad Albert's to discuss.  Full details on the website.

I'll also be at Revolutions Coffee all day tomorrow for Coworking Day
if anyone wants to discuss this then.

Jacob Sayles
Nomad & Founder
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[Coworking] Seattle: Another Possible Space

[Jacob Sayles]

I looked at another possible space today.  This one is on Capital Hill
which has the advantage of being more centrally located, but with very
poor parking options and only mildly better busing options.  The whole
building is available and I would LOVE to take all three floors, but
one floor, at 5500sqft would probably be a better starting point.

Take a look and let me know what you think.  Which space do you like
better?  How soon could you sign on?

http://www.officenomads.com/space2/

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Nomad & Founder
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[Coworking] Re: Coworking Business Plan

[Jacob Sayles]

Eva, you are great.  I'm working on the Office Nomads business plan right
now and will do the same when it gets more formal.
Jacob Sayles
Nomad & Founder
officenomads.com

On 6/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> For those of you who requested it, we have posted CubeSpace's Business
> Plan with only minor deletions for privacy.  Please use it
> responsibility.  If you have any questions, feel free to email me.
>
> -Eva
> Eva Sari Schweber
> Chief Cat Herder
> CubeSpace, Your WorkSpace Community
> 622 SE Grand Avenue
> Portland, OR 97214
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[Coworking] Seattle BBQ - This Saturday

[Jacob Sayles]

If you are are in Seattle, or are thinking of making the trip, I'm throwing
an Office Nomads BBQ this weekend and all are welcome.  Details are on the
website under the "Get Involved" tab.  If you have questions about the
Seattle Coworking efforts and developments I'll be slinging details left and
right over beers and grillables.  Bring your families!  They are a very
important part of the community we are building and I'm excited to meet
 them.  Drop me a line if you know you can make it so I know that I have
enough beer.
http://www.officenomads.com/

Jacob Sayles
Nomad & Founder
officenomads.com

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[Coworking] Seattle - Office Nomads Updates

[Jacob Sayles]

June was a very busy month.!  It was great meeting folks and their
families at the BBQ on Saturday.  For those of you who couldn't make
it, here is an update of what is going on at Office Nomads.

In This Update
   * Office Nomads LLC
   * Meetings, Meetings, Meetings
   * The Space
   * Pricing Structure
   * Financing Options
   * Timeline & Build-out
   * So who's in?!?!

* Office Nomads LLC

I just finished up all the paperwork to bring into existence Office
Nomads LLC and we even have a bank account!  Of course we don't have
any money, but we are working on that too.  Special thanks to Julia
Youngs, our lawyer, for doing all the heavy lifting.  Also thanks to
BizNik for helping me find her.  Now we need a CPA.

* Meetings, Meetings, Meetings

I've met with so many people and everyone is super excited.  Office
Nomads is all about the people and these meetings are the cornerstone
of what is developing into an amazing community.  Below are a few
highlights but there are many more.

Pete Frickland contacted me after participating in the Fremont
Solstice Parade (the bike riders got painted at my house).  He's a
retired business man who previously was the head of Product
Development at Therm-a-Rest for 25 years.  He was so impressed with
the painting party and the Office Nomads idea that he is offering up
his business muscle and possibly some investment dollars.

Sterling Peake is a rock star with business plans and she has been
volunteering her time to help us with ours.  I listened to her talk at
BizJam and we immediately hit it off.  She deeply understands the need
for coworking and I'm very grateful she is helping make it happen.

Shauna Brennan is putting together My Day Office down in Belltown.
That space will open in September with more to follow soon after.  I
had coffee with her last week and we shared notes.  Our ventures are
very complementary with her focus being largely on services.  My Day
Office will be an excellent option for indie business owners and I
wish her the best of luck.

* The Space

We are moving forward with the Ballard location.  I talked with the
building owner last week and I think she liked me.  We haven't entered
into official negotiations but I'm hoping that happens in the next
week or two.  There is 7500sqft and 5-8 conference/meeting rooms.  I'm
shooting to have spaces for 50 and an average daily attendance of
30-40.

http://www.officenomads.com/space1/

* Pricing Structure

We've scrutinized all the different pricing plans of all the different
coworking spaces and balancing them with the advice we've been
getting, and our understanding of what will work best for the indie
business crowd.  We are shooting for simple, yet flexible and came up
with three pricing plans.  All three are month-to-month (with deposit)
and come with an electronic key so you can pick your own hours.  Each
plan includes network access, printing and will have an allowance for
conference room time.

Plans:
   $450 = Unlimited use  - permanent desk
   $250 = 3-5 days/week - any available space
   $100 = 1-2 days/week - any available space

* Financing Options

I talked to Ruby and Colleen over at Salmon Bay Community Lending and
was VERY impressed and happy they are going to help me get the funds
needed to get this thing started.  The fastest, cheapest, and easiest
way to get the money is going to be to use the equity in my house.  We
estimate we'll need about $50k in startup costs and another $50-80k to
keep the lights on while we ramp up to capacity.  There are other
options available for rounding up $130k and we will see what is in
place when the time comes to write the checks.

* Timeline & Build-out

If things go smoothly we could take possession of the space in August
or September.  We are hoping to only take a month to do the majority
of the build-out.  We need to rip out the false ceiling, replace the
lighting, and maybe expose some of the pine floor.  We also need to
sling some paint around and start collecting furniture.

WE NEED HELP!  There is a lot to do and need some elbow grease
donations.  Got an eye for design and decorating?  Good with a hammer?
 Know a good electrician or where to get a good deal on lighting or
office furniture?  And if anyone is extra eager to get into the space
we can setup some desks in an undisturbed corner.  Most work is going
to be done after official business hours.  Of course we won't charge
until the doors officially open.

* So who's in?

That's the big question!  I've seen a lot of excitement, and now I
need to know who's with me.  You've seen the price points, you've seen
the space.  If we opened our doors in September, or October, who would
sign up and which plan would you choose?  If you are on the fence,
what is it keeping you from making the jump?

Wow, this has turned to be a very long update.  So much is happening
and I'm amazed

[Coworking] Office Nomads August Update

[Jacob Sayles]

I don't really have a well organized list of things to communicate
here but people are curious where Office Nomads is these days.  Well,
we are negotiating the lease.  By "we" I am now including a rockstar
new addition Susan Evens.  She was traveling around Africa with a good
friend of mine and when they got back our mutual friend realized we
were both going on about the same thing and put us together.  I'm
happy to have the help because I seriously was going nuts.

BizNik has greatly accelerated everything.  Trying to pull together
60-75 people is a huge task but when you have a large community of
individuals that "get it" served to you on a silver platter it's quite
a bit easier.  We already have over a hundred people expressing
interest and that's just by handing out business cards and talking on
here.  Of course expressing interest and signing on the dotted line
are two different things, but it certainly is encouraging.

Ok, back to reviewing construction bids and spreadsheets and trying to
figure out how to build this thing with infinite good intentions but
only a penny's sweat of capital.  I wish everyone was closer and we
could do this over beers.  Anyone want to visit Seattle?

Jacob Sayles
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[Coworking] Re: I'M A SPACE CATALYST GOAL TO OPEN ALT*SPACE BY JUNE 2008

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Jacob here from Seattle.  I agree fully about building the community
first.  Isn't that the entire point of all of this?  When  I started
down the path of Office Nomads back in April the dream was very
different then it is now.  It has been shaped and aided by everyone
along the way.

I'm a big fan of happy hour meetups.  Find a good bar that doesn't
have the music cranked up too loud.  During the day, you can pick a
coffee shop or a park.  The location isn't really the challenging
part, it's getting the word out.  This list is an excellent resource.
I had limited success soliciting people in coffee shops.

As for startup costs Office Nomads is looking at around $100k with
another $50k to keep the lights on while we ramp up.  We are going for
a larger space though so your costs will be different.  I'd say start
with the reoccurring expenses, rounded up generously.  When you know
your approximate burn rate you can then move to figuring out how many
people you need, and at what rate.  Then you can start thinking about
how much it's going to cost to equip that many people.

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[Coworking] Who's Going To Burning Man?

[Jacob Sayles]

I'd love to meet up with other space owners & catalysts if anyone is
headed to Nevada next week.

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[Coworking] Re: Who's Going To Burning Man?

[Jacob Sayles]

I like the idea of an event.  Even if it's just a mac&cheese and PBR brunch.

I'm camping w/ a bunch of friends in an unnamed camp around 7:15 and
Habitat, mountain side.  We'll have a big truck with Burn Green
Express on the side.  We'll be getting there Sunday night.

Jacob

On 8/20/07, Raines Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jacob,
>
> I'm going, volunteering with Playa Info, camping with
> Sustainabiliaville in the Alternative Energy Zone, and creating a
> roving informational art project that will function as a wiki and
> communications/education tool related to sustainability, coworking,
> cohousing, and ecovillages.
>
> I'd be happy to organize a scheduled event in the cafe or around Playa
> Info or some other appropriate venue sometime to support discussions
> about coworking, as well as individual conversations. I could imagine
> a CoworkingBRC facility within the temporary city, but "work" might
> have a different meaning in that context.
>
> Don't forget to use the directory and include the word "coworking" in
> your camp/individual profile so you can be found by others looking for
> that topic. Especially if you use a different name in Black Rock City.
>
> Raines
>
> On Aug 19, 11:53 am, "Jacob Sayles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd love to meet up with other space owners & catalysts if anyone is
> > headed to Nevada next week.
> >
> > Jacob Sayles
> > Nomad & Founder
> > officenomads.com
>
>
> >
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[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo

[Jacob Sayles]

I wasn't a fan of the first two, but this latest one strikes me and
makes me smile.  It reminds me somewhat of the BizNik slogen:
"business networking that doesn't suck".  I like the simplicity of it.
 Perhaps it would read better:  "Coworking - Because Working Alone
Sucks".  Just a thought.

Jacob

On 9/7/07, Chris Messina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There's no color right now simply because I'm working in black and
> white to get the basic shapes down... color can come later (hopefully
> with someone licensed to do logo coloring...!) ;)
>
> As for including people... well... I guess I'm reluctant to go in that
> direction simply because abstracted people in logos never look quite
> right to me... and personally having something iconic represent
> aspects of the community could be useful later.
>
> As for not using a negative (or obeying conventional wisdom)... you
> have a point, but in this case I don't mind breaking with tradition...
> Coworking isn't exactly designed for folks who like to conform w/
> society's norms. ;)
>
> Chris
>
> On 9/7/07, Erica Douglass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Thinking about what I had said earlier (in your Flickr comments) and
> > expanding on it... could the logo include people somehow? Also, I
> > really would like to see more color. Finally, as a marketing person,
> > slogans should never include a negative. ;) I hope this is helpful...I
> > don't mean to be overbearing.
> >
> > -Erica
> >
> > On 9/7/07, Chris Messina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I mocked up a couple logos for coworking (nothing final) and would
> > > love your opinions:
> > >
> > > http://urltea.com/1feh
> > > http://urltea.com/1fei
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chris Messina
> > > Citizen Provocateur &
> > >   Open Source Advocate-at-Large
> > > Work: http://citizenagency.com
> > > Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog
> > > Cell: 412 225-1051
> > > Skype: factoryjoe
> > > This email is:   [ ] bloggable[X] ask first   [ ] private
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Chris Messina
> Citizen Provocateur &
>   Open Source Advocate-at-Large
> Work: http://citizenagency.com
> Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog
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[Coworking] Office Nomads - September Update

[Jacob Sayles]

Has it already been another month already?  Here is the latest and greatest
from the land of Office Nomads:


*Get on the List*

Across the country around the world, coworking continues to grow and
thrive.  As word spreads, more and more people are coming out of the
woodwork asking us how soon we can get them into a space.  Want to be sure
you're in on coworking in Seattle?  Susan is compiling a waiting list for
people who are sure they want in and want first rights on membership.  Drop
her a line if you would like on the list:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


*Creating the Space*

Susan and I have spent the majority of our efforts this past month working
to secure an optimal location.  Unfortunately we couldn't reach a mutually
beneficial agreement with the owners of the Ballard space so we had to walk
away. However, in a fun little spit of serendipity, Susan found a great
place on Capital Hill while I was away at Burning Man and it turns out it
was the same space I had found months ago.  The property manager there has
been very helpful and with it's low build out requirements we may be able to
open the doors sooner then we expected.  It's a great space (think exposed
brick, lots of comfortable nooks for desks, and maybe even sushi
downstairs!) in a great location and we are very excited.  With this new,
slightly smaller space we're going to rework some of the membership plans -
more on the new rates coming soon.  Check out the photos and location:
http://www.officenomads.com/space2/


*Furniture Leads*

Huge thanks to Paul Laskowski who keyed us into a great deal on
furniture.  His downtown office was going to send a number of usable desks
and chairs to the landfill and we did our best to rescue them... well 16 of
them.  I've talked to a few people who have heard of similar deals but we
were too late to jump on them.  Keep your ears out people.  Also let us know
if you happen to have some good storage space to house furniture before we
can move into the space - my garage is reaching full capacity.


*Creating Connections*

The coworking community continues to be a wonderful place for us to learn,
share ideas, and build a strong network.  Today Susan and I went to Tacoma
to meet with Derek Young of Suite 133 to compare notes and to hear all about
the space.  They officially open October 1st and It we
are anxiously tracking their developments.


That's it for now, folks.  More to come soon - stay tuned!



Jacob Sayles

Nomad & Founder

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[Coworking] Re: Office Nomads - September Update

[Jacob Sayles]

Thank you for the contact offerings.  Susan talked to Alex about the Belkin
deal and will be contacting them soon.  About the networking, we have strong
ties to the folks at metrix.net and they will be hooking us up.  They are
also the founders of seattlewireless.net.

On 9/11/07, Chris Messina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the updates! Let me know if you'd like to talk to my Belkin
> contact and we can see if they can help you guys out like they did
> Indy Hall!
>
> I can also put you in touch with our friends at Meraki networks if you
> think that a local mesh network would be helpful.
>
> Chris
>
> On 9/11/07, Jacob Sayles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Has it already been another month already?  Here is the latest and
> greatest
> > from the land of Office Nomads:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Get on the List
> >
> > Across the country around the world, coworking continues to grow and
> thrive.
> >  As word spreads, more and more people are coming out of the woodwork
> asking
> > us how soon we can get them into a space.  Want to be sure you're in on
> > coworking in Seattle?  Susan is compiling a waiting list for people who
> are
> > sure they want in and want first rights on membership.  Drop her a line
> if
> > you would like on the list:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Creating the Space
> >
> > Susan and I have spent the majority of our efforts this past month
> working
> > to secure an optimal location.  Unfortunately we couldn't reach a
> mutually
> > beneficial agreement with the owners of the Ballard space so we had to
> walk
> > away. However, in a fun little spit of serendipity, Susan found a great
> > place on Capital Hill while I was away at Burning Man and it turns out
> it
> > was the same space I had found months ago.  The property manager there
> has
> > been very helpful and with it's low build out requirements we may be
> able to
> > open the doors sooner then we expected.  It's a great space (think
> exposed
> > brick, lots of comfortable nooks for desks, and maybe even sushi
> > downstairs!) in a great location and we are very excited.  With this
> new,
> > slightly smaller space we're going to rework some of the membership
> plans -
> > more on the new rates coming soon.  Check out the photos and location:
> > http://www.officenomads.com/space2/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Furniture Leads
> >
> > Huge thanks to Paul Laskowski who keyed us into a great deal on
> furniture.
> > His downtown office was going to send a number of usable desks and
> chairs to
> > the landfill and we did our best to rescue them... well 16 of
> them.  I've
> > talked to a few people who have heard of similar deals but we were too
> late
> > to jump on them.  Keep your ears out people.  Also let us know if you
> happen
> > to have some good storage space to house furniture before we can move
> into
> > the space - my garage is reaching full capacity.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Creating Connections
> >
> > The coworking community continues to be a wonderful place for us to
> learn,
> > share ideas, and build a strong network.  Today Susan and I went to
> Tacoma
> > to meet with Derek Young of Suite 133 to compare notes and to hear all
> about
> > the space.  They officially open October 1st and It we are anxiously
> > tracking their developments.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That's it for now, folks.  More to come soon - stay tuned!
> >
> >
> >
> > Jacob Sayles
> >
> > Nomad & Founder
> >
> > officenomads.com
> >  >
> >
>
>
> --
> Chris Messina
> Citizen Provocateur &
>   Open Source Advocate-at-Large
> Work: http://citizenagency.com
> Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog
> Cell: 412 225-1051
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[Coworking] Re: Office Nomads - September Update

[Jacob Sayles]

Me to!!!  Now all we need to do is decide on a logo.

Jacob

On 9/13/07, Tony Bacigalupo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "The Timbuk2 Special Edition Coworking Bag. Everything you need to bring
> your office with you."
>
> I want one :-)
>
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[Coworking] Re: Great coworking coverage on Web Worker Daily

[Jacob Sayles]

Nice article title!  :-)

On 9/13/07, Sean O'Steen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Phil Windley, the executive Director of IT Conversations, a professor at BYU, and
> the former CIO for the State of Utah recently posted this article on
> ZDNet's Between the Lines:
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=6241
>
> Very Cool!
>
> On Sep 10, 10:58 am, "Chris Messina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/09/10/berkeley-coworking-the-inside-st...
>
> >
> > Sweet!
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --
> > Chris Messina
> > Citizen Provocateur &
> >   Open Source Advocate-at-Large
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> > Blog:http://factoryjoe.com/blog
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[Coworking] Re: Profit and Loss Balance Sheet

[Jacob Sayles]

Agreed.   People before business.  We've been working on Office Nomads for
going on 6 months now and most of that has been shaking hands, handing out
business cards, and building our contact database.  We have also been
figuring out investment options and drawing up a 2 year financial plan.

Susan and I are going to pony up the $150k needed to get the space open,
fill it with furniture, and keep the lights on for a year while we ramp up.
 All indicators say we will ramp up faster then that, but we are playing it
safe.  We went with personal investment because we wanted to make sure we
had ultimate say in all choices.  We also give ourselves the best rates and
are the easiest to work with.  That said, if you don't have a house to
leverage there are many creative funding options.  I like the ones that get
the people to buy in rather then getting some guy to write a big check.

Jacob

On 9/13/07, Alex Hillman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Wilson,
> Before you start looking at ANY numbers...you should focus on just
> one: have you found potential members?
>
> I HIGHLY recommend a grassroots effort to find out who is around and
> wants to use a coworking space before you have ANY money, yourself or
> someone else's, invested. Without that, you have no idea how big or
> small of a space is needed. Or if the space will sit idle for those
> first 6 months.
>
> Coworking is about the people. So why not put the focus on them, first?
>
> -Alex
>
> --
> -
> --
> -
> Alex Hillman
> web.developer.innovation.consultant
> vocal: 484.597.6256
> digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | skype: dangerouslyawesome
> visual: www.weknowhtml.com | www.dangerouslyawesome.com
> local: www.independentshall.org <--if you can work from anywhere, why
> not work from here?
>
>
>
>
> On 9/13/07, wilsonwrites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Coworkers
> >
> > I need to pick your brains again.
> >
> > When you guys did your business plan  did you do projections for one
> > year or two?
> >
> > Also, how many of you took in investors?
> >
> > How did you qualify them?
> >
> > I have a meeting with SCORE on Monday and I need some data..
> > Ive been pricing furniture, phone service and business machines
> >
> > Im thinking I will need about $50k to start ..is this
> > realistic?..I want to prepay my lease for for a minimum of  6
> > months while I am ramping up with my membership
> >
> > Any advise would be great..
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>


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[Coworking] Re: 24/7?

[Jacob Sayles]

Office Nomads will be 24/7.

We see access to the space a critical issue for indie business types.  In
fact, that was one of the reasons we had to walk away from the last
building.  They wanted us out  by 10 every night and that doesn't fly.  The
trick is finding the balance between extending trust to the community to
inspire trust to be returned... and covering your ass.

The plan is to A) Focus on permanent desks with signed member agreements
and security deposits.  B) Give electronic keys that track who is coming and
going and can be revoked quickly.  C) Security cameras at the entrances.  D)
Extensive insurance.

The insurance was pretty simple.  We found a guy on BizNik, told him all
about us, and he wrote up a quote.  It comes to about $200/month.


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[Coworking] Re: 24/7?

[Jacob Sayles]

When people ask about security, I give them the basic rundown and response
has been positive.  I feel we have very similar opinions on the topic.
 Reading your response I was excited to see you understand the importance of
emphasizing trust.  We are going to have 30-40 people in the space so things
are a little different.  The key element is to be unobtrusive and I think
this satisfies that.   When it comes down to it, it's all about how it's
implemented and how it impacts the day to day lives of the people using the
space.  I don't plan to make the security policy forefront in our marketing,
but it's there when people have questions or concerns.

Jacob

On 9/19/07, Chris Messina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On 9/19/07, Jacob Sayles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The plan is to A) Focus on permanent desks with signed member agreements
> and
> > security deposits.  B) Give electronic keys that track who is coming and
> > going and can be revoked quickly.  C) Security cameras at the
> entrances.  D)
> > Extensive insurance.
>
> Fascinating! To each their own I guess -- there is something to be
> said for a "reassurance strategy" -- that is, letting tenants/members
> know that their stuff is being monitored. At the same time, NOT
> creating a false sense of security is also worth considering.
>
> Jacob, have you experienced any kind of feedback about the security
> aspects of your space?
>
> Chris
>
> --
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[Coworking] Re: 24/7?

[Jacob Sayles]

ering
> > everything that you've been told you should do. Just because it worked
> > for someone else before, or because someone else got screwed in the
> > past and says that you should protect yourself in such a way as to
> > distrust by default, doesn't mean that it's the right thing for you to
> > do (and I'm not making any assumptions, only pointing out a general
> > principle).
> >
> > So, with that, I'm not sure trying to stay open 24/7 makes sense. Or,
> > if it does, play it by ear -- and if you suddenly have 15 people
> > showing up wanting access 24/7 that they're willing to pay for, make a
> > move then. There's no sense in prematurely optimizing at a great
> > expense for situtations that may never arise in practice.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On 9/19/07, Sasha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Many of you made your spaces with 24/7 access. What's the secret? How
> > > do you pull that off with insurance and general security for members?
> > > Has anybody have any problems with it?
> > > We're trying to decide whether to make it 24/7 or just open till 10pm
> > > (staffed)...
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Sasha Vasilyuk
> > > Sandbox Suites
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Chris Messina
> > Citizen Provocateur &
> >   Open Source Advocate-at-Large
> > Work: http://citizenagency.com
> > Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog
> > Cell: 412 225-1051
> > Skype: factoryjoe
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> tara 'miss rogue' hunt
> co-founder & CMO
> Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com)
> blog: www.horsepigcow.com
> phone: 415-694-1951
> fax: 415-727-5335
> >
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[Coworking] Re: Accounting/Membership Management Tools

[Jacob Sayles]

We are blessed at Office Nomads because my sister is a rock star
bookkeeper.  It works out great for everyone.  We get solid accounting
and billing and she can work from home where she has more time to
focus on home-schooling her 3 children.  And when she needs to  go
into the office, she can call on Uncle Jacob to watch the kids.  It
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[Coworking] Re: Accounting/Membership Management Tools

[Jacob Sayles]

I'd be happy to once we get things solidified.  All efforts are
focused on lease signing right now.

On 9/28/07, David Doolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It would be very cool if you posted your chart of accounts to
> the wiki or blog.
>
> On 9/28/07, Jacob Sayles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > We are blessed at Office Nomads because my sister is a rock star
> > bookkeeper.  It works out great for everyone.  We get solid accounting
> > and billing and she can work from home where she has more time to
> > focus on home-schooling her 3 children.  And when she needs to  go
> > into the office, she can call on Uncle Jacob to watch the kids.  It
> > helps that we live together.  :-)
> >
> > Jacob Sayles
> > Nomad & Founder
> > officenomads.com
> >
> > >
> >
>
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[Coworking] Re: Coworking as a business vs non-profit

[Jacob Sayles]

I have spent a lot of time pondering this question.  The first hurtle
I had to overcome was the perception that for-profit=corporate/evil &
non-profit=unicorns/rainbows.  That process was greatly aided by
looking deeper into the world of non-profits.  I also was clued into
organizations such as http://notjustforprofit.org/.

With that myth dispelled I moved onto the co-op question aka
"Democracy vs Dictator".  Sure, we are all about democracy here in the
states but when you really watch, it's only when things are going in a
direction someone doesn't like that democracy is demanded.  Even then,
it's more just having the right to bitch.  Most of the time, people
want things to just work, and things to just get done.  Are we all
going to take time out of our day to debate the cost savings of
one-ply toilet paper vs the comfort of two-ply?   Of course for a
coworking space to be successful (personal definition) the people in
the space must be engaged and have a sense of ownership.  That can
only happen if they have a voice.  Does that mean democracy is the
only way?

When going through all the points and counterpoints I reflect on a
model I've seen work very well:  My home.  I've always wanted to live
with people so when I bought a house I bought one with as many rooms
as I could afford.  I've found that having to run things by me first
before making changes is a small price to pay for not having to deal
with all the shit thats required to keep a house in order.  Also, I
provide arbitration when one roommate wants to paint the living-room
yellow and another wants to paint it orange (we went with orange and
put yellow in the hallway).

Like with all things, it's about balance and balance is easier to
achieve when things are kept simple.  We understand that people want a
place to work and don't want to be burdened by the mundane tasks of
office management.  We have chosen the for-"profit" model with the
quotes around the "profit" as there wont be much of it.  We are
personally financing this venture so we are more in control and can
remain true to our values.  We hold the interests, needs, and concerns
of the community in extremely high regard and we are protective of
that.  I believe we have all the elements in place to  make this work.

This is just our story.  It's a personal question and each space will
be different.  That's what makes this so exciting!  :-)

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Nomad & Founder
officenomads.com

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[Coworking] Re: Coworking as a business vs non-profit

[Jacob Sayles]

In my mind and heart coworking is a space where it's about the people
not the office.  You can pay the bills however you like after that but
you have to have your core values in place to build a space with
energy that inspires community.

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[Coworking] Office Nomads: Grand Opening November 1st

[Jacob Sayles]

We got a space and breezed through the lease.  We'll be located in the
Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle and will hold 30-40 people (5000 sqft).
 Susan and I have been working hard to get things ready but almost
everything can be completed after we open.  T1 goes in on Friday and we are
scheduling the open house for November 1st from 6-9PM.  Anyone want to come
up (or down) to celebrate with us?  The 1st is a Thursday.  Susan is sending
out the press release we prepared.  I linked to it off our website if anyone
wants to throw it around. Ok, back to it.  WOOHOO!!  I guess I get to move
us from Catalyst to Owner now!  That feels good.

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Nomad & Founder
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[Coworking] Re: Coworking tracking/Point of Sale Software

[Jacob Sayles]

Where did this go?  Eva, did you open source your ruby app?
Jacob Sayles
Office Nomads
Seattle, WA

On 4/30/07, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey Alex,
>
> I think you were just appointed the person to help guide this. ;)
>
> T
>
> On 4/30/07, Alex Hillman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If you're going Open Source (everyone), consider
> > https://www.bountysource.com/ instead of SourceForge.
> >
> > Same functions as sourceforge as far as project wiki, documentation,
> > task management, and source control...plus it's built on railsplus plus
> > there's a whole open source economy around task-driven development. You can
> > monetize feature requests, enticing developers to contribute to your
> > project.
> >
> > The site is run by a couple of friends of mine, it's a trustworthy site
> > and a good way to support the economy in Opensville.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/30/07, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >  This is all amazing.
> > >
> > > Chris and I visited Eva and David at CubeSpace in Portland last week,
> > > which was awesome. Great people and a very well-run, nice space. In order 
> > > to
> > > run something of their scale (what was it? 13,000 ft2?), they have to have
> > > some seriously kickass software in place. :) I'm really pumped about 
> > > getting
> > > it out there.
> > >
> > > And Rich...this sounds great.
> > >
> > > If you guys need any licensing help, just ask. I'm sure there are
> > > quite a few Open Source experts on the list! :)
> > >
> > > Perhaps we should carve out a space at SourceForge? I don't really
> > > know how it works, but...
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/30/07, Rich Vázquez < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One other consideration for organizing folks that some may take for
> > > > granted - in our Time Bank project we'll be releasing, we are also 
> > > > opening
> > > > up the documentation (policies and manuals)  to Creative Commons or 
> > > > similar
> > > > licenses are start-ups to have access to some of the structure, ideas
> > > > address and forms, etc.
> > > > --
> > > > ---
> > > > Rich Vázquez, CISSP
> > > > www.opensourcecurrency.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > CubeSpace is a co-working site in Portland, Oregon and we have a
> > > > > proprietary database built in Ruby on Rails.  We are meeting with
> > > > > out
> > > > > developer on Wednesday to make sure there are no CubeSpace
> > > > > security
> > > > > issues in sharing what we have, but assuming he gives us a
> > > > > thumbs-up,
> > > > > we will be happy to share it with this group.
> > > > >
> > > > > We designed it to track reservation and usages, as well as to
> > > > > serve as
> > > > > our point-of-sale interface.  I will warn you it is buggy and
> > > > > temperamental and clearly needs more work, but the relational
> > > > > database
> > > > > structure is sound.  We are eager to see what you all can do with
> > > > > it!
> > > > >
> > > > > -Eva
> > > > > Eva Sari Schweber
> > > > > Chief Cat Herder
> > > > > CubeSpace, Your WorkSpace Community
> > > > > 622 SE Grand Avenue
> > > > > Portland, OR 97214
> > > > > (503) 206-3299 Voice
> > > > > (503) 206-3302 Fax
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email
> > > > > www.CubeSpacePDX.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mar 26, 10:19 am, "Samuel Rose" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Louis, I also plugged in a tool under "New Tool proposal" that
> > > > > some
> > > > > > coworkers may be interested in: an open source application to
> > > > > handle
> > > > > > money pooling, revenue sharing, expensetracking, and revenue
> > > > > sharetracking. Feel free to remove of course if this is out of place, 
> > &

[Coworking] Re: How many people can you cram into a space?

[Jacob Sayles]

It's really dependent on the space.  Not all 1000 sqft spaces are created
equal.  Susan and I have talked a lot about this and I've seen it come up
before in various posts.  There is no clear answer, I'm sorry to say.  One
factor that could sway the answer is priority.  We decided to put a higher
priority on permanent desks and that will have a direct impact on how we
organize the space.  If we were shooting for more drop-ins, we'd make
different choices.  How's that for a non-answer?
To paraphrase our approach, I'd say we came up with
some conservative numbers to make sure we could commit to the three year
lease, and we are leaving the rest for when we open.  Everything changes
with each individual so we need to get them in before we know how/where the
desks should be.  We have 5000 sqft and I'm thinking we can get 30-40 in
here comfortably.

Jacob Sayles
Office Nomads
Seattle, WA

On 10/25/07, Dusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm wondering what a good rule of thumb is on how many people you can
> fit into a given space? I'm trying to find the maximum revenue
> potential for a given space.
>
> Say, given 1000 square foot (excluding conference rooms, and
> bathrooms) what is the maximum membership capacity of permanent desk
> members and walk-in members.
>
> Just pulling some numbers out of the air. If permanent desk members
> took up a footprint (desk, chair, and room to move) of 8x8ft on
> average and walkins took up 5x5. You should be able to fit 10
> permanent members and 14 walkins. (If I did my math right.)
>
> Further if we assume only 60% of our walkins will be in the space at
> any given time we could reserve up to 23 walkin memberships.
>
> To those of you that own spaces. Do my average member footprints sound
> about right? And how about my ratio of walkin members that are in the
> space at any given time?
>
> I'm looking for ballparks. :)
>
> Thanks,
> Dusty in Austin
>
>
> >
>


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[Coworking] Re: How many people can you cram into a space?

[Jacob Sayles]

We are our own investors at Office Nomads so we only had to get to the point
where we believed it would work out.  Of course I started out believing, but
I still wanted some solid numbers before I wrote my $100k check.  And when I
say "solid" that too is relative.  Mostly I started getting people together
for beers/coffee and talking with folks.  When I saw strong demand, I
started roughing out a sketch of what things would look like.  From there I
made sure some conservative ramp up projections and space allocations fit
within the budget & building... lots of tuning and not all fine.  It's a
balancing act.  We talk a lot about all the things we won't know until we
open the doors... next Thursday.   Since there is so much we don't know, we
are doing our best to be flexible, and receptive.
Jacob Sayles
Office Nomads
Seattle, WA

On 10/26/07, Alex Hillman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't think we (at IndyHall, anyway) have any stable enough numbers to
> present after 60 days of being open, and even then, its very very
> subjective. I don't think even a ballpark would help you. Our members are
> not your members, within our own membership use and use cases vary widely.
>
> For the gabillionth time(and I'm still smiling when I say that!): all of
> these figures will become evident when you have some semblance of a
> community interested in utilizing a space together. Ask them, not us! I
> understand that for business plans and investors, these figures might be
> necessary, but that's just one more reason to spend the time a) building the
> community and b) putting yourself in a position to bootstrap.
>
> On 10/26/07, Dusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is great information. Thanks everyone.
> >
> > Great tip on the Ikea desk's! Thanks Alex.
> >
> > So we think each person takes up about 36sq/ft to 100sq/ft of space.
> > That's a pretty broad range! :) But great information for planning
> > purposes. Anymore experience out there on the matter?
> >
> > What do you guys think about the membership to occupancy ratio? In
> > other words. Say you have 100 members, would you say 60 of them are in
> > the space at any given time (on average)?
> >
> > Again, looking for ballparks.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Dusty in Austin
> >
> > On Oct 26, 12:15 pm, "Alex Hillman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > These tops:http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60117016
> > > With these legs: 
> > > http://www.ikea.com/us/en<http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/10105290>
> > /catalog/products/10105290<http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/10105290>
> > >
> > > There are other dimensions of desk-tops in the same line if you wanted
> > > bigger/longer ones, but for the price, these are an EXCELLENT deal,
> > easy to
> > > move/arrange, and if one gets damaged it's not a huge loss.
> > >
> > > We had sort of a desk/chair-buliding party where we had members come
> > by
> > > during out set-up period and help put furniture together. BYO drill.
> > It was
> > > a good time!
> > >
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 10/26/07, Columbus Bryce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I've heard mention of these IKEA desks before... could you give us
> > an
> > > > idea of which specific model it is?
> > >
> > > > On Oct 26, 8:41 am, "Alex Hillman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Our desks are identical to those at CitizenSpace, 2' deep by 4'
> > across.
> > >
> > > --
> > > -
> > > --
> > > -
> > > Alex Hillman
> > > web.developer.innovation.consultant
> > > vocal: 484.597.6256
> > > digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | skype: dangerouslyawesome
> > > visual:www.weknowhtml.com|www.dangerouslyawesome.com
> > > local: www.indyhall.org
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> -
> --
> -
> Alex Hillman
> web.developer.innovation.consultant
> vocal: 484.597.6256
> digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | skype: dangerouslyawesome
> visual: www.weknowhtml.com | www.dangerouslyawesome.com
> local: www.indyhall.org
> >
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[Coworking] Re: Office Nomads: Grand Opening November 1st

[Jacob Sayles]

See you when you get here!

On 10/26/07, noel hidalgo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> jacob and other nomads...
>
> i've just purchased my ticket from OAK to SEA. my plane should land
> around 4pm and i'll be showing up with all my gear. save a glass for
> me and i'll see you there!
>
> hugs.
> noel
> --
> join me on a trip around the world!
> http://ontheluckofseven.com
>
> noel hidalgo
> [ skype ] nonecknoel
> [ twitter ] http://twitter.com/noneck
> [ email/jabber/aim ] noel[a]noneck.org
> http://www.couchsurfing.com/people/nonecknoel
>
>
> On 10/16/07, Jacob Sayles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We got a space and breezed through the lease.  We'll be located in the
> > Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle and will hold 30-40 people (5000
> sqft).
> >  Susan and I have been working hard to get things ready but almost
> > everything can be completed after we open.  T1 goes in on Friday and we
> are
> > scheduling the open house for November 1st from 6-9PM.  Anyone want to
> come
> > up (or down) to celebrate with us?  The 1st is a Thursday.  Susan is
> sending
> > out the press release we prepared.  I linked to it off our website if
> anyone
> > wants to throw it around. Ok, back to it.  WOOHOO!!  I guess I get to
> move
> > us from Catalyst to Owner now!  That feels good.
> >
> > Jacob Sayles
> > Nomad & Founder
> > officenomads.com
> >  >
> >
>
> >
>


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[Coworking] Office Nomads Local Press

[Jacob Sayles]

Susan and I got written up in the neighborhood newspaper this week!  It's
really fun to see the press get so excited about coworking.

http://www.pacificpublishingcompany.com/site/tab7.cfm?newsid=19004896&BRD=855&PAG=461&dept_id=515242&rfi=6

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[Coworking] Office Nomads Field Trip!

[Jacob Sayles]

I'm heading down to San Francisco in December and I'd love to come visit all
the spaces down there.  I fly in on Tuesday the 11th and back to Seattle on
Saturday the 15th.  Not sure where I'm staying or what will occupy my
time... need to make it through the holiday weekend first and then I'll
plan.   Anything fun going on that week?

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[Coworking] Re: Office Nomads Field Trip!

[Jacob Sayles]

Wow, do I have good timing or what?!?!?  Count me in.  I wish I was driving
down.  My Taxi fits 9 but this way I can enjoy some wine.  :-)
Jacob

On Nov 19, 2007 5:04 PM, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is ALWAYS fun going on in San Francisco...but we are also planning
> our co-hopping event:
>
> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/297562/
>
> for that week (hoping the bus comes through...we are still struggling with
> that one). I'm also sure there will be 1001 geek/awesome things going on
> that week. It is non-stop in SF.
>
> We look forward to having you! :)
>
> T
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2007 1:59 PM, Jacob Sayles <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> > I'm heading down to San Francisco in December and I'd love to come visit
> > all the spaces down there.  I fly in on Tuesday the 11th and back to Seattle
> > on Saturday the 15th.  Not sure where I'm staying or what will occupy my
> > time... need to make it through the holiday weekend first and then I'll
> > plan.   Anything fun going on that week?
> >
> > Jacob Sayles
> > Nomad & Founder
> > officenomads.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> tara 'miss rogue' hunt
> coFounder
> Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com)
> blog: www.horsepigcow.com
> phone: 415-694-1951
> fax: 415-727-5335
> >
>


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[Coworking] Re: Introduction from Eugene, OR

[Jacob Sayles]

Eugene would be an excellent place for coworking.  I suggest making
your way up to Portland to talk to Julie, Eva and David.  They were
very helpful and supportive and it's nice to talk with folks in
person.  If you want to keep driving, come on up to Seattle!  I'll buy
the first round.

Jacob Sayles
Co-founder & Janitor
http://officenomads.com

On Dec 16, 2007 6:44 PM, Lee LaTour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My name is Lee LaTour. I have read every entry on this group and am
> ready to throw my hat in the ring. Think I am a CoWorking Catalyst.
>
> As a way of introduction, here is some info about me and why I want to
> start a CoWorking space in Eugene.
>
> About me:
> Currently employed at the University of Oregon as the Marketing
> Director of the student union [emu.uoregon.edu] where I collaborate
> with numerous students on design, marketing and web projects. I am
> also a partner in a web consulting business with a former student.
>
> My passion is bringing people together to create. One example is the
> emuLAN [emulan.uoregon.edu] where a student brought the idea to me and
> we connected with various departments on campus to create the second
> largest LAN in Oregon, which is in its 3rd year.
>
> That said, I am ready to move away from the stifling environment of
> state bureaucracy and create a truly collaborative environment.
>
> Why I want to start a CoWorking space in Eugene:
> Eugene has freelancers and start-ups of all ilks but they are not
> connected. My ideal is to create a space that not only acts as a
> workspace for independents but is also THE place to collaborate. I
> want to host BarCamps,  Ignites and MashPits. I want to work with the
> university to bring students [who from my experience are the leading
> edge] into the mix. I want to feed my soul.
>
> So, that's my intro. Questions to follow.
>
> -lee
>
> >
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[Coworking] Re: Office Nomads on CNN Money / Fortune Small Biz Homepage!

[Jacob Sayles]

Yeah this was a nice way to get back to the office after the holidays!
 Susan did this interview when I was in San Francisco for Cohopping.
The best has been watching the news aggregators and seeing we made the
Britney Spears blogs.  That's fame!

http://tinyurl.com/2qmcvw

Of all the new years and all the years I've look back on... 2007 has
been pretty amazing.

Jacob Sayles
Co-founder & Janitor
http://officenomads.com

On Dec 26, 2007 8:17 PM, Sean O'Steen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Howdy folks,
>
> Just wanted to point out that Jacob & Susan and the rest of the Office
> Nomads group have received a very nice write-up on today's Fortune
> Small Business homepage:
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/32salt
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Sean
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[Coworking] Re: More About the NYT Article

[Jacob Sayles]

Even though the idea is fairly universal, and shared offices have been
around for decades, in my opinion the movement started when the term
"coworking" formed in San Francisco and started to spread.  I had been
fantasizing about creating such a space for years, but when I found
"coworking" and the online community behind it, everything accelerated and I
went from dream to open-for-business in 6-8 months.
As for research, M. Scott Peck is a great start.

Jacob Sayles
Co-founder & Janitor
http://officenomads.com

On Jan 8, 2008 9:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> The same day the NYT article came out, I pitched a piece to NYT about
> coworking (I write for NYT sometimes). I hadn't seen that article yet,
> and a search of the site for "coworking" and "co-working" yielded no
> results. So then, I saw the article (and the related goofiness about
> the $350,000 home office) and my boss was noting how interesting it
> was that not once did the article use the word "coworking" though that
> was being described. "Communal working" was their preferred term. So I
> guess maybe time will tell what the most preferred word/s to describe
> this are. Meanwhile, I'm always on the lookout for articles and books
> tackling the topic, whether they call it coworking or not. So I'll
> check here but if you have any back files of links/research, I'd
> appreciate you sharing with me.
> Thanks,
> Spike Gillespie
> blogger www.launchpadcoworking.com
>
> >
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[Coworking] Re: Station C is a go

[Jacob Sayles]

It really does look great.  It's nice to see it develop.  You are on my list
of places I want to come visit.  Now is when the fun starts eh?
Jacob Sayles
Co-founder & Janitor
http://officenomads.com
On Feb 4, 2008 7:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I posted a few weeks ago about our signing of a lease for Station C,
> Montréal's first coworking space, today we are officially open! We're
> done with the renovations and most of our workspaces are ready (we had
> tables custom built and we're still waiting on some for next weekend),
> so far reactions are super positive, everyone is loving what we've
> done with the place.
>
> For more info, check out our blog:
> http://station-c.com/blogue
>
> And the stationc tag on Flickr:
> http://flickr.com/photos/tags/stationc/
>
>
> Patrick
>
> Station C
> 5369 Saint-Laurent #430
> Montréal, Québec
> Canada
> H2T 1S5
> >
>

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[Coworking] Re: SXSW Rollcall?

[Jacob Sayles]

Ok, I'm in.  I get into
town Thursday evening and am staying with friends of friends in the
south central area.
 I fly out Monday afternoon.  I'm coming alone and don't know anyone in
Austin so this should be interesting.  I'm looking forward to meeting
everyone at Hotel San Jose on Friday night.
Jacob Sayles
Co-founder & Janitor
http://officenomads.com

On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Julie Gomoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Consider the reins taken. Hunting for an appropriate spot...
>
> SXSWi is Friday-Tuesday, March 7-11. How many of you will be around
> Thursday nightd? That would certainly be the easiest evening to find a
> location at this late date.
>
> Julie
>
> On Jan 18, 2008 4:53 PM, Alex Hillman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Most of my energy will be going into the Core Conversations session...if
> > you'd like to take the reins on a meetup/meal of some sort, rock out!
> >
> > -Alex
>
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[Coworking] Re: Internet Access for Coworking Spaces

[Jacob Sayles]

I'm sure you'll need maximum bandwidth for downloading all those
unicorn videos

At Office Nomads we have a T1 with speakeasy that goes for about $350.
 It's 1.5Mbits up and down and is guaranteed and solid as a rock.
When you go to officenomads.com you are going over this pipe.  We are
looking to expand for heavy traffic days by load balancing over a
direct wifi link to our friend's server rack downtown (3Mbit) and
maybe even a fat DSL or cable line (6-10Mbit).  Speed isn't everything
and your router/firewall has a lot to do with quality of service.  We
use a fun little box that has no moving parts, 6 interfaces, and runs
PFSense.  It was about $400 and it makes me smile.

Jacob Sayles
Co-founder & Janitor
http://officenomads.com

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We use Speakeasy in SF. I don't know where they cover. We don't have a
> dedicated line, but it's pretty reliable and quick, even when 35+ geeks are
> gathered.
>
> Tara
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Matthew Wettergreen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hiya,
> >
> > I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the best options for internet
> > access for coworking spaces.
> >
> > What type of plan does everyone have? Speed? Price? Has anyone gotten
> > ISPs to sponsor?
> >
> > thanks
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> tara 'miss rogue' hunt
> coFounder
> Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com)
> blog: www.horsepigcow.com
>  phone: 415-694-1951
> fax: 415-727-5335
>
>
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[Coworking] More Seattle Press

[Jacob Sayles]

Big News!

This month we find ourselves in TWO magazines.  Seattle Metropolitan
Magazine is doing a feature on the 14 hottest companies and they name
Susan and I "Laudable Leaders".  We look so cute!  Then The Seattle
Business Monthly is sporting a nice shot of our first member Chris
Haddad on the cover and inside there's a large article on "Smart
Office Ideas".  They talk about us, another Seattle office My Day
Office, and Tacoma's Suite 133.  They also briefly mention Nutopia
crediting them with the first space back in 1999.  Interesting.
Neither article is up on the websites yet... guess it's not quite
April.  Not sure if they will post full articles or not since they are
all about print.  Maybe I'll post some PDFs.  Anyway, I wanted to
share.  Crazy fun.

Jacob Sayles
Office Nomads

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[Coworking] Re: Tax Question

[Jacob Sayles]

Lisa,

We don't use that as a selling point deciding to spend our efforts
instead in highlighting the benefits of being around other people.  We
also don't try to sell people on the various services we offer
(coffee, printing, conference rooms).  We want people to come in, feel
the space, love it here, and want to stay.  After that, everything
should just fall into place... Then again, I'm not an MBA so :-)

Jacob

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Lisa Thompson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For those that have space.. is a selling point the fact that paying for
> office space (for those that are registered businesses) is tax deductable?
>
> --
> Lisa Thompson
>
> Media PA CoWorking Meetup
>  http://socialnetwork.meetup.com/964/
> Blog: http://theoffice.tumblr.com
> Tweeter: @lithompson friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/theoffice
>
>  >
>



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[Coworking] Re: Introduction

[Jacob Sayles]

Filbert,

There are lots of ways to raise capitol and the "right" solution is a
personal choice.  Susan and I loaned the money to ourselves after
pulling it from investments and my house.  You can also just get a
flat out small business loan if you have a solid business plan.  I'm
sure if you are working with Eva and David you do.  You can also sell
"shares" to people and figure out what they get in return.  If you get
creative, there are all sorts of possibilities.  Do you have both of
your kidneys?

Jacob

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Filbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hello good circle!
>
>  My name is Chris Fillie and I am interested in, first and foremost,
>  community.  My long term plan, and education, is to facilitate the
>  health of community networks through the construction of the built
>  environment. I essentially want to develop real estate that is human
>  scaled, healthy, and conscious in how affects human interaction. I
>  have a Masters in Construction Management from UF with concentration
>  in Sustainable Construction, and am a LEED AP (USGBC).   My
>  undergraduate work (10 years ago, ahhh time flies!) was in
>  environmental science and women's studies, with a special focus on
>  systems ecology and ecological feminism and how they both explore the
>  devaluation of unpaid labor and the subsequent breakdown of human and
>  ecological systems that ensued- and that we must heartily reverse. I
>  interned with Village Habitat Design www.villagehabitat.com in
>  Hotlanta developing Co-Housing projects... is this where Co-working
>  got its coinage??? or is it simply from co-worker?? Anyhoo, I have a
>  sustainable-slanting artspace in downtown Gainesville that this
>  concept has helped solidify a direction for. THANKYOU COWORKERS!!!
>
>  Business plans being my weak point, and already having lost a year
>  rent, I will be busy studying this site and modifying the CubeSpace
>  plan for my location... I am booked up with very intense installations
>  this whole month (which I won't do again) but am looking for co-
>  workers to join the artists and I already, well, co-working.
>
>  PS I make my living building furniture and have a woodshop in the
>  back, total sf is 3300, w/ a nice courtyard. The name is George's Meet
>  and Produce, after the original circa 30' store, "George's Meat and
>  Produce."
>
>  PPS Anyone know a good way to raise capital... ala small community
>  investment???
>
>  :)
>
>  >
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[Coworking] Re: Local Advertising for your Coworking

[Jacob Sayles]

Dave,

Word of mouth is always best and there are many approaches to it.
Biznik (http://biznik.com) is great and we go to lots of networking
events and chat with folks.  We have tried traditional business
networking organizations and have been very unimpressed.  If in the
first 5 minutes I get a power handshake from "Bob Jones, NW Sales Rep
for blah blah blah" I use my drink tickets and leave early.  I'd
rather spend time in the creative/hacker/eco community talking to real
folks who understand.  To that end Susan and I are active in a number
of organizations and we are always talking Coworking.  Sustainable
Capitol Hill and Passages Northwest are two organizations we donate
space to because we want to support them as much as possible.  This
doesn't feel like "work" it just feels great being involved.
Networking is easy if you follow your heart.

Other efforts:

Postcards we put in cafes and leave out at events:
http://www.officenomads.com/docs/Postcard-Front.jpg
http://www.officenomads.com/docs/Postcard-Back.jpg

We bought a popular column in our local weekly for $486 for a charity auction:
http://thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=490777

Of course good press helps:
http://www.officenomads.com/news.html

Hope this helps,
Jacob

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Dave G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hi
>
>  I'm fairly far along in my proposal for a Coworking startup, and I'd
>  really like to try and get the word out there.  Next to word of mouth,
>  how have some of you faired in advertising your startup on a local
>  level?  I have a listing on Craigslist to which no one has responded
>  yet, and my immediate network of individuals who would even be able to
>  participate in a cowork is very small.
>
>  Advice?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Dave
>
>  >
>

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[Coworking] Re: New Work City

[Jacob Sayles]

That is seriously cool!  Go Tony!

On undefined, Lisa Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I so love this teaser page.  http://www.nwcny.com/
>
> Go Manhattan!
>
> --
> Lisa Thompson
>
> Media PA CoWorking Meetup
> http://socialnetwork.meetup.com/964/
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[Coworking] Re: Interview with Tony is Rocking the LaunchPad House

[Jacob Sayles]

And so good looking too!  :-)

Jacob

On undefined, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  My interview with Tony is here:
>
>  
> http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/2008/03/31/an-interview-with-tony-bacigalupo/
>
>  and we've been getting lots of hits. Tony is one popular guy. See for
>  yourself.
>  spike
>  blogger
>  www.launchpadcoworking.com
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[Coworking] Microcoworking

[Jacob Sayles]

Just discovered this:  http://microcoworking.com/

Anyone know these folks, or other creative approaches to coworking?

Jacob

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[Coworking] Re: New Member

[Jacob Sayles]

Dana,

Office Nomads was originally going to be in Ballard, but the space we
were looking at didn't pan out.  I live in Ballard and my day job is
in Fremont, right by Google.  I'd love to grab coffee with you
sometime and talk about how to get a coworking space in this part of
town.  Last I checked the old Empty Space theater was still available.
 But more important then finding a building is finding the people who
are going to put in all the hard work (and of course money) involved
to bring it into being and run it.  I offer up the full force of my
chearleading skills and am happy to share my experience opening Office
Nomads.  What role were you hoping to play?

Jacob Sayles
Co-founder & Janitor
http://officenomads.com

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hello everybody!
>
>  My name is Dana Silverman, and I am very excited about the Coworking
>  community!  I am very new to this, and had no idea there was such a
>  following for this type of thing.  I thought I had come up with a
>  brilliant idea on my own before I did some research and found out
>  about Coworking (I guess I was wrong, haha).  I still think that
>  "Coworking" is brilliant and would love to start a facility of my
>  own.  I live in Seattle, and have come to find that there are a few
>  around the city, but surprisingly none in the area of town that I live
>  (which I feel would be perfect) that hosts such companies as Google,
>  Adobe, and many others...I would love to gain ideas, pointers, and
>  possibly a partner or two if there is anyone interested in the area in
>  collaborating.
>
>  Take care, and I look forward to hearing your ideas.
>
>  Dana Silverman
>
>  >
>

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[Coworking] Re: introduction, and toronto

[Jacob Sayles]

Yeah I was confused about hearing Indoor Playground folded too.  And
by "the Tacoma space" you must be speaking of something other then
Suite 133 in Tacoma Washington.  They are doing great.

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First of all, welcome! That's my hometown...are you hooked into the *camp
> community there?
>
> Secondly. :( Indoor Playground folded? I think we need to collect a
> deadpool. I found out the Tacoma space folded, too. :( We need to help one
> another succeed! So, if you are having any issues, come to the list and
> share!
>
> T
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 5:26 PM, bunnyhero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > hi everyone!
> >
> > my name is wayne a. lee (aka 'bunnyhero'). i'm an independent web
> > developer in toronto, ontario, canada. i used to be a resident at
> > indoor playground and was quite happy there until it folded up shop at
> > the end of january.
> >
> > since then, i've been renting desk space at the game company next door
> > to indoor playground's former digs, but i'm not really happy there
> > (not sure exactly what it is--some combination of small factors, i'm
> > sure), so i gave notice and am now in search of another coworking
> > situation.
> >
> > as far as i know, the centre for social innovation is the only ongoing
> > coworking space in toronto that i know of, but i doubt i would meet
> > their qualifications ("social change maker").
> >
> > after having experienced indoor playground, i am now a big believer in
> > the coworking scene, and would be willing to put in time, effort and
> > resources towards getting a new coworking space off the ground (rather
> > than just being an occupant). i really don't know how or where to
> > start, so i thought i'd write here to see who else in the toronto area
> > might be interested?
> >
> > thanks all :)
> >
> > wayne a. lee
> > bunnyhero labs
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> tara 'miss rogue' hunt
> coFounder
> Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com)
> blog: www.horsepigcow.com
>  phone: 415-694-1951
> fax: 415-727-5335
>
>
>  >
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[Coworking] Re: Introduction

[Jacob Sayles]

Welcome Nancy!  Where are you located?

Jacob

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>
>  According to the wiki info I just read, I am a catalyst, which I think
>  is pretty cool and humbling at the same time. I've been researching my
>  innovative business concept since the first of the year when it came
>  to me... When I describe what I've been doing for the last 3 1/2
>  months (wow, no wonder the house is a mess), I tell them to imagine
>  brainstorming that lasts for weeks on end. It's been at times
>  exhilarating, at times exhausting. The family's support goes something
>  like this, "Can't you just get a normal job?"  That would definitely
>  be the easy way out. And, how boring is that?
>
>  I'm a jack of all trades, fast learner, town activist, child advocate,
>  patient advocate, yada yada yada... My concept is something I feel
>  compelled to see through until it is a reality, at which point it will
>  just be the beginning. I anticipate some road blocks along the way,
>  some changes in direction, some getting lost, and finding another way.
>  That's okay, going off the beaten path has always appealed to me. I
>  love to drive down a backroad or through an old town center that I
>  have never seen before.
>
>  To extend my metaphor, planning for my journey has already begun. Just
>  as one researches a vacation destination, I've been on my laptop until
>  my eyes water and my back aches! My internet research has blown me
>  away. The wealth of information is at times overwhelming. The
>  differences of outlook and perception intriguing and all the new
>  terminology has my head spinning. And, in the midst of all that, this
>  co-working group seems to share the same spirit and passion for their
>  concept that I feel. I have a sense today that I've found a piece of
>  the puzzle.
>
>  I actually had to ask myself if my concept even is "co-working."
>  Thanks to your inclusive definition that emphasizes a value system
>  that is in line with my own, I believe there is a commonality of
>  purpose. The more I've thought about it, my concept certainly falls
>  under the umbrella that the term "co-working" covers.
>
>  The kids are home (12, 15 & 17) so I can't go into the concept too
>  much. There, I've said it. I confess. I am a 40-something mother
>  looking for my life's purpose...
>
>  Indeed, take all the photos of the cool co-working sites and young,
>  cool people ~ life is waiting for you to just sieze that inspiraton
>  and change the world (while having a great time)... Okay, in place of
>  you young, cutting-edge, full of energy hipsters, with plenty of guys
>  among you, picture instead a group of make-up wearing (because we
>  actually need to or we frighten our children), hip-py (a reference to
>  waist measurement in some cases) women (lucky if there will be one or
>  two brave men among us), displaying occasional moments of energy
>  (sometimes real, sometimes just a passing hot flash), actively seeking
>  the inspiration and sense of purpose from within ourselves (a place we
>  haven't been to much in the last decade or two). We've brushed off the
>  cobwebs where our own identity was supposed to be, and found a whole
>  person wanting so much to maybe just change the world a bit  ~ while
>  having a great time!
>
>  Reality calls and I'm headed into the kitchen, but I'll be back and do
>  a little lurking and a little commenting and posting...hope that's
>  taken as a promise and not a threat! I'll try to keep it short but
>  brevity is definitely not a strength but I am working on it...
>
>
>
>
>  

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[Coworking] If ever there was a time to visit Seattle...

[Jacob Sayles]

Hello everyone,

I've heard many of you saying you would love to come to Seattle and
check out what we are doing at Office Nomads.  Well if ever there was
a time to come visit it's the weekend of Saturday, May 3rd.  That's my
birthday and I'm throwing one hell of a party.  We are also having an
open house on Friday May 30th which will also be quite grand.  Email
me off list and I'd be happy to give you the details.

Jacob

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[Coworking] Re: Internet Access for Coworking Spaces

[Jacob Sayles]

Hello Everyone,

Just a follow up on the internet access discussion.  We went with a
Speakeasy T1 for $360/month and have not been happy.  I went with a T1
because I've been in offices approaching 50 people on a T1 and have
seen them work well.  I went with Speakeasy because I've been a loyal
customer for 12 years.  Turns out the "T1" Speakeasy sells isn't
actually a T1 but rather a 1.5Mbit frame relay which is a completely
different beast.  The primary difference is that a frame relay just
throws away packets when it hits the upper limit.  Of course 1.5 Mbits
fills up fast so how it handles congestion is a HUGE factor.  I'm
pretty grumpy and am preparing my speech.

Before I go off on Speakeasy we are researching other options.  We
looked into our local cable company, Comcast, and just signed up for a
new offering they have.  16Mbits down and 2 Mbits up for $90/month.
We'll play around with this and see how it does for us and also play
around with the load balancing features of our router to see how that
works for us.   I'll keep you posted how this develops.

Jacob

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[Coworking] Re: Internet Access for Coworking Spaces

[Jacob Sayles]

Hello Everyone,

Just a follow up on the internet access discussion.  We went with a
Speakeasy T1 for $360/month and have not been happy.  I went with a T1
because I've been in offices approaching 50 people on a T1 and have
seen them work well.  I went with Speakeasy because I've been a loyal
customer for 12 years.  Turns out the "T1" Speakeasy sells isn't
actually a T1 but rather a 1.5Mbit frame relay which is a completely
different beast.  The primary difference is that a frame relay just
throws away packets when it hits the upper limit.  Of course 1.5 Mbits
fills up fast so how it handles congestion is a HUGE factor.  I'm
pretty grumpy and am preparing my speech.

Before I go off on Speakeasy we are researching other options.  We
looked into our local cable company, Comcast, and just signed up for a
new offering they have.  16Mbits down and 2 Mbits up for $90/month.
We'll play around with this and see how it does for us and also play
around with the load balancing features of our router to see how that
works for us.   I'll keep you posted how this develops.

Jacob

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[Coworking] Re: Business Survey for Space Owners

[Jacob Sayles]

Kelly,

Office Nomads has 5000 sqft and we are shooting for 40 anchor desks
with plenty of room for drop-ins.  We have 3 conference rooms and an
open area we call The Cafe.  So 100sqft/person is about right by my
estimation.

Jacob

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Kelly Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  Tara,
>  Thank you so much for the feedback.
>  I modified the survey a bit to allow for comments as you
>  suggestalthough the survey only allows one entry per person at
>  this point.  But hopefully that will allow more flexibility for others
>  to respond.
>
>  The financial model you show below is awesome.
>  In fact it's a little freaky as how i read it it's exactly the square
>  footage i was estimating per person100 sq ft.
>  At least for a 35-50 person facility -- meaning you'd need 3500-5000
>  square feet for that sized office.
>
>  I figured roughly 40 sq for the desk area and the 60 sq was for common
>  areas.
>
>  That supports what i read in cube space's biz plan -- 13,000 sqr. for
>  a 134 desk facility.  So the math must hold.
>
>  Just that revelation alone  -- it's a huge relief.  Now I
>  (confidently) know what i'm looking for in facility size as we scope
>  out our location.
>
>  -kb
>
>
>  On Apr 23, 6:30 pm, "Tara Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Just took the survey, but some of the questions were lacking the 'other' or
>  > an explanation. Most spaces are pretty unique in the way they operate.
>  >
>  > Oh...and the formula I gave to Tony B was:
>  >
>  > Break even model: (Cost of space x 1.5 = total cost of space) / (number of
>  > square feet / 100 = number of desks) = Cost per desk
>  >
>  > Profitable model: (Cost of space x 3 = cost of space and then some) /
>  > (number of square feet / 100 = number of desks) = Cost per desk
>  >
>  > Of course, there is wiggle room there to make more money on services, drop
>  > ins, conference room rental, event space rental, part time keyholders and
>  > other varying levels of membership.
>  >
>  > Tara
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Kyle Chowning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > > Kelly...are you willing to share those results?
>  > > Kyle
>  >
>  > > On Apr 21, 9:17 pm, Kelly Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > > As I'm working on our business plan, I'm wanting to flesh out some
>  > > > information re: financial expectations.
>  >
>  > > > I was hoping some space owners would be willing to share some
>  > > > information.  I've seen some other surveys on this board but didn't
>  > > > see anything dealing with the business side of the process.
>  >
>  > > > I'll enter any respondents into a drawing for $100.
>  > > > Your answers will be anonymous  -- I won't be correlating contact info
>  > > > for the drawing with survey responses.
>  >
>  > > > I'll also share aggregate results of the survey on this board.
>  >
>  > > > Thanks in advance for your help / feedback.
>  >
>  > > > The survey is here:
>  > >http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=zDOIAyDxI9lkF01V9N5CUw_3d_3d
>  >
>  > > > -kb
>  > > > Kelly Brown
>  > > > Office Space Co-Workingwww.officespacecoworking.com
>  >
>  > > > P.S. I don't think there's anything too intrusive in the questions --
>  > > > but if there's any question in particular you don't feel like
>  > > > answering, feel free to just skip it.
>  >
>  > --
>  > tara 'miss rogue' hunt
>  > coFounder
>  > Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com)
>  > blog:www.horsepigcow.com
>  > phone: 415-694-1951
>  > fax: 415-727-5335
>
>  >
>



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http://officenomads.com

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[Coworking] Re: Pink Noise Generators & Direct Telephone Lines...

[Jacob Sayles]

Kelly,

One of the first things I did last spring when Office Nomads was just
an idea was to drive down to Portland and talk with Eva and David and
check out their space.  They were SUPER helpful and one bit of advice
they gave me stuck and it has helped me sleep better at night since.
Don't build it unless you KNOW it's needed.  Their space is awesome
and because of all the work they did getting it ready it has scaled up
quickly and smoothly.  This has a few disadvantages though.  One, you
are out some serious cash upfront when every $$ matters, and two,
ramping up quickly isn't exactly a good thing.  We took this advice
and opened our doors after just 3 weeks of prep.  That prep was mostly
getting the internet installed and the furniture we had been
collecting out of my garage.  We are still working to fill in the
furniture gaps, paint the walls, and developing and fine tuning our
business processes.  The slower ramp us helps keep us sane and the
savings from not buying lots of expensive equipment and not having our
doors open for months to install said equipment helps keep us from
freaking out because of the slower ramp up.  Now, as people ask for
things we can add services like phones and address sound issues.

Jacob

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Kelly Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I was reviewing the sample business plan provided by Cube Space -
>  (which again special thanks to Eva & David for sharing -- this thing
>  was very helpful in getting started on my own plan)
>
>  Anyway - I came across two items that i thought were interesting
>  The mention of Pink Noise Generators & Direct In Dial (DID) telephone
>  services.
>
>  I wasn't originally planning to include these services -- as I felt
>  most people would probably have their cell phones and as far as noise
>  goes we'll have privacy booths if people need to step out for a
>  telephone call.
>
>  That said - I think these are wonderful ideas and we're considering
>  including these in our facility.
>  I'm wondering - does anyone have strong feelings on these either way?
>
>  Are these an unique feature or a 'given' that every facility should
>  have?
>  Are you implementing these services in your facility?
>
>  Thanks!-kb
>  Kelly Brown
>  Office Space Co-Working
>  www.officespacecoworking.com
>
>
>  >
>



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[Coworking] Re: Coworking Newbie in DC

[Jacob Sayles]

Allyson, Welcome!  Answers inline below...

>  How does your space handle phone lines? Do you provide the phone lines
>  to each person/group who rents a desk? If so, how do you handle the
>  billing?

We are working on this one right now.  We didn't start out with phones
but have been getting a few requests so we may start.  We have a lot
of options on the table but I'm leaning towards pointing people to
services they can sign up for themselves like QWest if they want a
hard line or our internet service provider if they want a cheaper VOIP
phone.

>  What about fax machines? Do you provide a fax machine for the office?
>  If so, how do you handle long distance charges? An honor system with a
>  sign in sheet?

We have a fax machine in our printer (Canon MF4690) and we pay for the
fax line.  We just eat the long distance.  It's in the same with the
toner and paper which we also pay for.  We don't monitor print usage
as both a trust gesture, and ease of administration/billing.

Hope this helps...

Jacob Sayles
Office Nomads
Seattle, WA

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[Coworking] Re: Introduction & Questions

[Jacob Sayles]

Susan and I both have other jobs to pay our bills and Office Nomads
isn't going to be able to pay us a salary any time soon.  Lucky for
us, that's not a requirement so we are more then happy to put in the
work to build the business.  As for staffing, we have a huge space,
5000sqft, so we can leverage that for help.  We "hired" my good friend
Eric and he needs to be to work at 8AM every morning so he opens the
doors.   Susan or myself, when we aren't across town at our other
jobs, sit behind the front desk.  So Monday through Friday, 8:30AM to
6PM there are two people in the space watching over things and helping
daily drop-ins get signed in and setup... all for the low low price of
$0.00.  We also take out the trash and clean the toilets.  I play it
up like it's a shitty job, but I love it.  It's also nice to have two
days a week in a different office doing something completely different
(and getting paid).

All that said, we do have one employee, our bookkeeper.  It's super
important to keep the numbers straight but it can also make you crazy.
 We are lucky to have Kara.  It's a bit of a barter as well because
she lives with me.  We only pay her $750/mo but she doesn't have to
pay any rent or utilities so it all works out.  She handles all the
billing and taxes and other areas we'd like to steer clear of.  It's a
win-win for everyone involved.  We put everything in "The Magic File"
and at the end of the month we get pretty reports on how much money we
burned through!

So for now Office Nomads is running pretty smoothly.  Of course we are
not profitable yet but we are growing and developing and figuring out
all the things it takes to run a coworking space.  At the rate we are
going we should be profitable by the end of this year.  We also have
the "Oh SH*T" plan and then the "OH F*CK" plan should things take
longer then expected.

Hope this helps.

Jacob Sayles
Co-founder & Janitor
http://officenomads.com

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Tony Bacigalupo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Jay! Welcome to the party!
>
> (1) Your math is sound; I don't think a 2,500 square foot space could take
> in enough money sustain an employee. I'm not sure which spaces have paid
> staff and which don't, but I would venture to say that the much larger
> spaces could/would be the ones that could support employees. I know Austin's
> Launchpad Coworking space is going to be gigantic, and will likely have a
> staff to manage it.
>
> Given your anticipated situation, you'd likely follow the "managed by the
> members" sort of model, which it sounds like you're already working on.
>
> (2) I believe this is a full-time gig for a couple of people who run some of
> the larger facilities, but for the rest of the spaces the people who run
> them are usually also working in some capacity (independently, of course)
> that's complimentary to the space (like web dev, consulting, etc)... there's
> still plenty of experimenting to be done with regard to running a space and
> making a living from something related.
>
> From what I've been told, running a coworking space can be about as time
> consuming as a full time job, so I'm not quite sure how some of these folks
> manage to make time to both run the space and make a living :-) (Something
> I'm hoping to be able to answer myself soon!)
>
>
> Now's a good time for broad questions! You can get to the specific stuff
> later.
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
>
>
>>
>> I have some basic questions that I'd like to throw out there:
>>
>> 1) I've read posts about other places having multiple people on staff
>> full-time. Is it really possible to bring in that much income to pay
>> operating expenses plus staff salaries and make enough for the runs
>> actually running the operation? For example, I'm looking at a 2,500
>> square foot space. Based on the formulas I've seen on here, I should
>> be able to accommodate approximately 25 people comfortably. If I can
>> get $200 a month from 25 people, that would bring in around $5000.
>> That would probably cover most of my operating expenses but definitely
>> not staff. I guess I'm trying to get a feel for what percentage of
>> total income comes from memberships vs. things like conference room
>> rental, cafe, events, etc. My plan is to have a couple of partners
>> involved in the business to help cover the workload.
>>
>> 2) Do most of you that run your own coworking facilities have other
>> businesses on the side to supplement the income? I'm trying to figure
>> out if this would be a way for me to make a living or if I need to
>> ha

[Coworking] Re: Office Nomads on KING 5

[Jacob Sayles]

JDM,

Welcome to the Coworking list.  This is an international group of
space owners, people aspiring/actively working on starting a space,
and people looking for spaces/groups.  We've got a few options now
here in Seattle that you can see listed on the wiki:
http://coworking.pbwiki.com/CoworkingSeattle.  If you want to check
out Office Nomads we are open 8:30-6PM Monday through Friday.  This
Friday we are having an open house to celebrate being open six months.
 Event details:  http://culturemob.com/events/111663.  I look forward
to meeting you!

Jacob

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:21 PM, jdm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I saw Office Nomads on KING 5 and it linked me to here. I am highly
> interested in your group. It sounds great!
>
> JDM
>
> On May 27, 8:55 am, Susan Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Check out Office Nomads on KING 5 this week!  We got a great visit
>> from the news crew there on Friday last week, and it finally aired
>> today.
>>
>> http://www.king5.com/video/
>>
>> This link should work to the main video page and we're right up there
>> - under "co-working stations popping up around Seattle."  Enjoy!
>>
>> Susan
>
> 

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