Re: [marketing] ongoing bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/16/2010 4:41 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: How hard would it be for us to add a Report Bugs option under the HELP menu, which could then have a link to issuezilla? It would certainly help the users feel like their feedback was being heard . . . because it would, in fact, be more likely to be heard. It would certainly boost the number of issues. Most of it INVALID or DUPLICATE, I fear. That it would undoubtedly do, but I don't think that's a reason to make the bug reporting system more difficult than it needs to be. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFMapBPKP0FWmSVanERAvukAJ4qqu8d7UT/EZF0SBGYtbtmAUcAEQCeP4aR Vt7iFgooLxEruE/DlQNhO8k= =Bvim -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ongoing bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/16/2010 2:53 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Why don't you try to re-write it on a more comprehensive post, once we have a template, we could submit it for review, and eventually replaced. Then again, I am not the responsible for the qa project. I will suggest you address the d...@qa.openoffice.org and Joost (the project lead). I think he will agree if he sees an improved document. I would absolutely do that . . . but as I said, I don't understand it most of it myself. Makes it hard for me to explain to someone else. :-) - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFMaYqNKP0FWmSVanERAvDlAKDMmPC9Jmq/hq1j82F6nsmkKhKDDACfaX8i v/NBM4rUGr5SsH/2PR2iRR8= =0xdx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [marketing] Can we really release OOo 3.2.1 in its current state ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/12/2010 10:09 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: As you perhaps know already, there is some effervescence in the francophone NLC about the new version 3.2.1. Where are you finding 3.2.1? I reported a bug (one that's pretty important to my office) that's supposed to be fixed in that version, but I haven't been able to find a link to even a nightly that contains those fixes to test them. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvDL3sACgkQO+AD2HqgRoDPKwCg2NNd6HDIDRh440Tq28kxk6AS +hAAoJZsDOJ2Zw8rfN0AS6/mCPmd42is =GPao -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The name OpenOffice.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/19/2010 3:07 PM, Heavlin, Lee wrote: From time to time, Sun takes the OpenOffice.org code base, integrates proprietary features, and releases the combined product as a new version of StarOffice. In fact, a month before OpenOffice.org 2.0 was released, Sun released StarOffice 8, which includes all of the new features found in OpenOffice.org 2.0 as well as a host of additional features. Not that this is really relevant, but I've always been curious: what exactly does StarOffice have feature-wise that OOo doesn't? I got SO8 when it was offered as part of the Google pack, and I couldn't really find anything. (But maybe it's just stuff I would never use . . . ) - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLV4eEKP0FWmSVanERAq7AAKCNDKhJPYHzR9o9d3xA4gvpDL+fygCePtNF DysW/9NM5rjyU6RHelGJ41M= =g4fZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Design ideas/slogan ...
Juergen Schmidt wrote: also nice after reading my lines again, i tend to OO.org the 100 million downloads app If you're gonna go that way, though, you need to play off the tag lines from the opening sequence. Something like We have the technology or We can make an office suite better than ever before: better, stronger, faster... Steven Shelton - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] [Fwd: [releases] 3.2 New Features page]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/2/2009 1:41 PM, John McCreesh wrote: Please have a look through the text and let me know of any factual errors, or if there's anything missing which end users should know about in the core product (not extensions). Found some typos: As OpenOffice.org 3.2 currently requires a superset of the ODF 1.2 specification, the aoftware now warns users when /ODF 1.2 Extended/ features have been used. I'm pretty sure that should be the software now warns users . . . Similarly, nserting or deleting cells, columns or rows into/from the middle of merged cells, which previously caused an error message, is now possible should read Inserting or deleting cells . . . I think under Locales, this line: OpenOffice.org 3.1 adds locale data for Oromo_Ethiopia [om-ET], . . . should actually refer to OO 3.2. There's also a stray bullet under the Writer heading. Can users now print tables in Base? I had heard that this was going to be possible, but I haven't seen any documentation of it. If so, it should be included. (That's always been one of my pet peeves; if I want to print a table, I have to export it to Calc or something instead of just hitting PRINT.) - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLFrhbKP0FWmSVanERApw1AJ4+GNjHK0WOGuPTzfQHt2PwfmKeAgCfa3LK r7Gvv3qLNT3Gz60u6a9axuk= =vpKu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [marketing] Anyone seen this
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/7/2009 11:44 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: I just sent a note to this list indicating that oomouse is not an official OpenOffice.org product and that we are not endorsing it as the PR suggests. Seems to be a misunderstanding: Theo is not entitled to use or manipulate our logo as he has done nor is he entitled claim that he is in partnership with OpenOffice.org, whatever that would mean. So this is a real product? I thought it was a joke. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLCty9KP0FWmSVanERAsLkAKCS89UvbhO2NBaie6NvYWlEv7wIHwCeNs6+ PHaFvvMbkHyLDOIOdrUz4gE= =/wMg -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] A so called tutorial about OpenOffice.org on Linux.com
On Tue, August 4, 2009 20:49, MÁTÉ Gergely wrote: I usually send PDF files, and attach the ODF if the other party is supposed to edit it. In the worst case scenario I send RTF. I have never had any luck saving RTF files in OOo. The formatting always gets so munged that I can't even read it when it's opened again. (One of my few complaints about OOo.) -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] A so called tutorial about OpenOffice.org on Linux.com
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MÁTÉ Gergely wrote: By the way I think that teaching people to save files in restricted formats is a bad thing in terms of marketing, as it virally markets those formats. True, but . . . I routinely share motions, briefs, and other legal documents with other attorneys. Most of them have never heard of OOo, although the number that have is growing, thanks to myself, a couple of other evangelist attorneys in the state, and a few folks at our state appellate defender office who have recommended it at seminars. Frankly, a lot of them are still running whichever version of MS Office came out in 1998 or 2000 (I get lost in which version is which) and they have no incentive to change. But if I send any of them an ODF file, they'll have no idea what to do with it. Therefore, I routinely save things in .doc format for them. (Our internal files are all saved in ODF, but . . .) It's all about knowing your audience. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKdwGxKP0FWmSVanERAoa5AKCI1aWGBKcJLvL/TgGFyeSm60S2KgCeNeDP ojOj5/keilagg6IvW/oP2xI= =vXnu -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] most wanted feature on OpenOffice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cata wrote: *Dear dev team !* I want to see in Open Office one of the most wanted feature : OCR (optical character recognition). I'm thinking that it will be a good feature in future for OpenOffice users. *Thank you ! * What I think would actually be better is a complete overhaul of the way page numbers are handled. This seems to be the number one complaint about OOo in the various forums and in my personal experience in working with people who are trying it out. I personally have no problem with inserting page numbers, but newer users tend to find it confusing and it would be wonderful to make things easier for them. Also, I *really* would like to see a better way to do mail merges. As far as I can tell, there's no way to just tell OOo to do a mail merge of form letters onto a single document, and to just merge until you run out of records, adding new pages as necessary. There might be a way to do it, but it's far from obvious. I don't see OCR as something that's really a core component of an office suite. I do a lot of OCR input, but I prefer to use an application dedicated to that purpose. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKH+VSKP0FWmSVanERAvDgAJ4424reNZwPE5dAngoZlEJl4VzqaACePBij jJSSMvgr1LwFnD5mmxWBOBs= =tlpl -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org Version 3.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alex Fisher wrote: Not yet. I still need to grab the files and build it (I'm over quota with my ISP, thanks to Win 7 RC and an update for Mandriva. Back to normal on the 16th, ISO about the 20th). Is this why I can't find an update for it on any of the OpenSuse depositories? - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKCwvGKP0FWmSVanERAuvZAKCh3ZpN5v6RCeJTauIyymXV5ln10ACg/cKf lhkuXG75elyhnmS0i8+M1+A= =MXMF -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Download page broken
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI: The download page of the OOo site (http://download.openoffice.org/index.html) seems to be broken this morning. Clicking on the links results in no response. Tried multiple times with multiple browsers and no joy. Even rebooted. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIkHvYKP0FWmSVanERAjPZAJ9AOHg6M0JLVlUUu323zVdjnupvTACcCvqn lxorXifhiN/CwlBB4+4vkNI= =27OI -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] looking for a job in the US found this...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexandro Colorado wrote: As I am looking for a job in the US I did found some openoffice.org jobs however they were not the one you expect. I guess we can use this in different ways: http://tinyurl.com/6as4p9 The Breadth Team is seeking a talented Marketing Manager to help drive our competitive efforts within the SMSP-SMB and with other field teams, segment teams and product groups across Microsoft. Our passion is helping our field and partners win against our biggest competitors in this space, particularly OpenOffice and MySQL. I think you should apply! ;-) - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIf6g8KP0FWmSVanERAtCuAJ4wUNTCUTcsKqrMOJjWnpXiYJeVoACeLwhA SJcFkiu0NHXNLncih8reLN0= =xIqr -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] Is it legal to sell OpenOffice.org?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John McCreesh wrote: The saddest emails I see are from people who have been ripped off by unscrupulous vendors selling OOo for some outrageous price - and in some cases failing to deliver anything. I'd appreciate feedback on a draft FAQ - please feel free to edit the wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SellingOOo Looks good to me. Of course, I am not a lawyer. Oh, wait: actually, I guess I am. :-) The only thing I might suggest from a marketing perspective is to put maybe a brief explanation of why it's helpful for people to be able to sell the product, or even modify it and sell it. For instance, someone might want to add some proprietary doo-dads that would be useful to people within a specific industry, rebrand it, and sell it for use within that industry. Or someone may want to sell it along with a support contract, in which case the product being offered is actually the support, and not the software. But, again, that's just a suggestion. Overall, I think it's fine and quite useful. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH6q98KP0FWmSVanERAsCsAKDmikckN3UrGQNJ3+NR5kS5wyffbACcCxvL 6k9XGQdKpXWiaBvX6o8Auiw= =+WsR -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] OT: Need a Base guru
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is way off-topic, but I know we've got some hard-core users of the software here and I can't seem to find anyone in my neck of the woods who knows anything. My apologies for posting off-topic. I have a problem with OOoBase using a hsqldb server. (Specfically, all of the text fields that showed up find when it was a standalone database are now displaying as numeric values.) If someone who knows something about doing this could contact me off-list, I'd greatly appreciate it. Again, my apologies for the off-topic post. It's an urgent matter or else I wouldn't even consider posting a request for help on this list. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFG+5azKP0FWmSVanERArtZAJ9yqOm+fUqlWysq3T7UroD8HJYaXgCg2jEL O00sOJYQ3DdZKfrnqHl6HVk= =qEbI -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Re: OT: Need a Base guru
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steven Shelton wrote: I knew there had to be a better discussion group for it, but I didn't know where it was. Like I said, posted to the Marketing group (of which I'm already a member) out of desperation. Crap. Meant to send that off-list. I apologize again. *[EMAIL PROTECTED] reply button! - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG++RiKP0FWmSVanERAvW2AJ48rg18Wl0C9iPylPdbIMsDbGI+ZQCgk9L+ izJNDHwTvApce8oCRD8IlgY= =bbgy -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Upcoming marketing campaign: Targets and design
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Graham Lauder wrote: A catch phrase or positioner should flow from the tongue easily, they should require zero memory input because they seem to go together naturally. It should if possible convey multiple messages / meanings. While Participation Enabler is an excellent phrase to run with in a presentation, for this function it's too wordy, the words are clumsy. Open. For Business works on a number of levels and at the same time has a familiar ring as well as being instantly memorable. A couple of years ago, Open. For Business. was selected as our positioner, but to be honest, I haven't seen it used much. Since that time, American Express has come up with that same exact positioner. Although I believe that we had ours first, I think we do need to change it for a couple of reasons now that AmEx is using it. First, although I think we had it first, AmEx is bigger and more well-known, so I think the public will (incorrectly) see this as us copying AmEx. Second, we have the potential to be facing a trademark dispute lawsuit. Although I think we had the positioner first, and would likely win in any such litigation, the litigation itself would be incredibly expensive and create a huge financial burden on the project. As the person who initially suggested the current positioner, and who really likes it, it pains me somewhat to say that we do need to change it. That being said . . . I agree with what Graham has said. A positioner does need to be catchy, it needs to roll off the tongue, it needs to work on several levels, it needs to be short, and it needs to be make instant sense to people who have never heard of the product (without requiring any kind of explanation). So, whatever we replace it with, it has to meet those criteria. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFG2shXKP0FWmSVanERArTbAJ9d5FYHJS27B2j55lfIT7KcJQ4UTACdEJFs VZokofUpPnWfJqsGWxfybhE= =IEne -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Upcoming marketing campaign: Targets and design
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cor Nouws wrote: Not wanting to push my idea, but the wording of the last version was not OK anyway (I'm not native English, but that should be clear from my writings ;-) ). Better would be You tó can have the latest office for free! Genuine. Well, how's about this: - - We want to push that we're an open source product - - Ideally, the positioner should play on the name - - We're looking at promoting the OOo 2.3 upgrade - - We're addressing people who are looking to alternatives to the latest, expensive MS Office version and who might be open to migrating to a new product - - And it needs all this: A positioner does need to be catchy, it needs to roll off the tongue, it needs to work on several levels, it needs to be short, and it needs to be make instant sense to people who have never heard of the product (without requiring any kind of explanation). So, whatever we replace it with, it has to meet those criteria. So as a starting point: Open up. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFG23ZHKP0FWmSVanERAhGWAKCjz3KBwWlPgG21heuocWbv1RzkrwCdEHiw jjWWfHDdIfqymDUeakD9BbE= =y1JB -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] concerns about naming a magazine OpenOffice.org magazine
J David Eisenberg wrote: In the vein of MacUser, Linux User, etc. magazine: OpenOffice.org User I like that one a lot, actually. Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=- The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. -=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] promoting OOo
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: Hi; I had a major problem converting my old WordPerfect document of about 33 pages to PDF. In desperation I downloaded OpenOffice. For some years I had been advising others to get it but I was fairly happy with WordPerfect. No longer so. I am VERY impressed with your OpenOffice suite and thank you for it. On my website I'll be mentioning it. THIS question should, imho, be added to the FAQ: Question: My computer is running low on disk space; do I have to download and install the whole, huge suite? All I want is a new Word Processor so I won't have to buy Microsoft Office nor WordPerfect. Answer: (ASSUMING I AM CORRECT!) Yes and no. You do have to download the whole huge 90+Mb file but when installing it you will have the option as to which of the 6 Components you want. In your case, you would install only the Writer component. When done, you can delete the huge file which you downloaded. The installation of the Writer will take only X??? of space on your Hard Drive. Funny you should mention this when http://documentation.openoffice.org/faqs/installation/003.html has existed for at least the past five years, if not more. We, at the documentation project, are working to consolidate the faqs on the wiki. However this is a mammoth task and is taking time. If you would care to join us in this effort, your help would be most welcome. Geez, that was a bit harsh of a response, don't you think? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] A REAL CON TRICK
peter beeching wrote: I recently purchased your open office Cd from Think all.com which was free to me apart from postage and packing. I was billed the postage and am pleased with the product. I today have been billed the sum of $49.90 from Think all for a free product. If you value the reputation you have may I suggest you stop this firm distributing your product for free then charging for it on the back of a free offer. We are aware of the situation with ThinkAll, and I think there is a consensus that ThinkAll's tactics probably constitute unfair trade practices of the sort that are illegal in many (if not nearly all) jurisdictions. ThinkAll has repeatedly been asked to stop engaging in these practices, and has refused to do so (despite assurances that it would). My understanding is that they are located in Texas, and that the Attorney General of that state has received numerous complaints about them. What (if anything) has been done I cannot say. Where are you located? I might be able to recommend a consumer lawyer who could represent you in a claim against the company if their practices violate your local laws. In some states, it's worth it to sue for even $50 because if you win, the defendant has to pay your attorney fees--thus costing you nothing and costing them a bundle--and in some states you can treble your damages. I think there's also a potential for a class action suit here, which would make a lawyer more likely to take the case. (And I should know!) Having said all of that, there's really nothing the OpenOffice.org community can really do about it: The upside of open source code is that it's freely available for anyone to use pretty much any way they want. The downside is that it's freely available for anyone to use pretty much any way they want. Nothing in the licensing really addresses the manner in which the product can be sold (at least, not in a way that I can see would prohibit subscription sales, which is how ThinkAll classifies their scheme). That might be something that should be addressed in the next edition of the LGPL--a prohibition on using the code for fraud or illegal purposes--but I don't recall seeing anything like that in the existing license. Ergo, the OpenOffice.org community really has no cause of action. The best bet to stop these kinds of shady dealings would be to pursue an action on your own or as part of a class in a consumer action. Such an action could both get you monetary damages and get an injunction put into place that would bar them from engaging in these kinds of tactics. Best of luck, and I'm sorry to hear that you got taken in. From now on, your best bet is to just download the product directly (and for free!) from www.OpenOffice.org Best regards, -- Steven Shelton Attorney at Law (Licensed in Michigan) NOTICE: This message may contain confidential information intended for the specified recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply to the sender to inform him of the mistake and then delete this message. Nothing in this message should be construed as legal advice or as establishing an attorney-client relationship. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Selling the software for profit?
Jod Burgess wrote: I read in the licensing that people can charge for warranty, support, indemnity or liability obligations, but does it include charging for the software itself? A company called Think All Publishing (www.thinkall.com) is selling this software for $24.95 under the guise of it being free. I was wondering if this is allowed. As I understand it, it is fine to sell the product itself. (That's one of the difference between open source and freeware software.) The OpenOffice.org organization (such as it is) does not, as far as I know, have any kind of official position on ThinkAll except to say that it does not endorse the company. My personal opinion is that they should be avoided. We have received numerous complaints about their practices on this list, Better Business Bureaus around the country have received similar complaints, there are scores of complaints about them everywhere you look on the internet, and I am aware of at least two potential plaintiffs who are considering lawsuits against the company for violations of consumer protection laws. The problem is not that they are selling the software; it's the deceptive way in which they do it: promoting the CDs as free and then recurring charging fees to people who do not return the CDs within 10 days, with the terms of this buried deep in the fine print. You can read more about them at these links: http://www.dallas.bbb.org/news_20060712.html http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?topic=2083.0 http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALLq4=q6=q3=q2=q7=searchtype=0submit2=Search%21q5=Thinkall+Publishingsubmit=Search http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?t=21757 http://graphicssoft.about.com/b/a/257678.htm http://www.veign.com/blog/2006/01/thinkallcom-think-again.html -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=- I have the body of a god. Unfortunately, it's Buddha. -=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] WhatIsOpenOffice.org - redesign
Chad Smith wrote: After the heated debate over my little site - I've changed the design. The top blue menu bar is gone. The Official Logo (tm) (r) (c) is gone. The only images from the Official OpenOffice.org (tm)(r)(c) site are buttons that are openly encouraged to be used. I've moved the Mac / NeoOffice information to a seperate box. I've moved a lot of information into pop-down boxes. This makes the overall page smaller. I've even added explanatory verbage to the donation button. Looks very nice. Jolly good! -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- If you're too open-minded, your brains will fall out. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] OOo Mac OS X port - VS - NeoOffice.org
Chad Smith wrote: So now you are going to send the government after me if I don't change the site? This is bullshit. No, but this is exactly the sort of attitude and over-the-top rhetoric to which I was referring. If anyone ever clicked on the make a donation button - I would have deducted my cost and then given the extra to OOo - or used it to promote OOo. I have donated directly, monetarily to OOo and other Open Source projects in the past. And, from a legal standpoint - the disclaimer at the top of the page is plenty, in and of itself, for a defence against anyone who wants to sue me. I have the same button on all of my sites that I put up at my own expense. So far, none of them have been used. But if someone wants to give - they can feel free. That button didn't cost me anything, so I figured why not. Ever heard of GiveBobaDollar.com? There is nothing illegal about letting people give you money. Look., Chad, I'm an attorney. This is what I do for a living. I'm not going to give you legal advice because I'm not sure where you live, and I'm guessing that I'm not licensed in that particular jurisdiction (unless it happens to be Michigan, USA, in which case . . . give me a call!). But I will tell you what I know in general about these kinds of issues. There is a valid claim for an intellectual property right infringement if your work, product, logo, etc. resembles that of another closely enough that a reasonable person could confuse your work as having been produced by someone else. Now that the logo has been removed, you are in somewhat of a gray area on this one. With the logo there, however, you were very, very close to being in jeopardy of a legitimate complaint. The disclaimer is one factor that you could use to defend, but it's not dispositive. The only thing that would be dispositive is if you had written permission from someone with the authority to give it to duplicate the look and feel of the site; I am unclear from reading this thread thus far to determine whether or not that is what you are claiming. What I am saying--and I want to be very clear on this--is that you are possibly (not certainly, not probably, not definitely . . . just possibly) still too close to pass muster because it's arguable that a reasonable person could confuse your site with an official OOo site, and that's something you should keep in mind. I am trying to help you here because I don't want you to get into trouble. Furthermore, I think it's silly that we waste our time on this stuff and if you just made some minor changes to the point that your site is more easily distinguishable, that particular problem would go away. As far as the button goes, again, I am trying to help you here. Even after your statement above, I'm still not clear where money that is donated goes. Does it go to you, or does it go to the OOo project? You have a site that has duplicated the look/feel of the OOo official site. Your site promotes the OOo project. It's got all kinds of links all around the Make a Donation button to OpenOffice.org official sites. A reasonable person would think that you are collecting donations for the OOo project with the Make a Donation button. That was my impression at first, and as I said, I'm still not clear on whether or not that's the case. I'm not saying you need to take it off. I'm saying that for your own good you need to make it clear where the money goes. The ideal solution would be to do one of the following: 1. Put text under the button that says Donations defray the costs associated with the 'WhatIsOpenOffice.org' website, and are not tax-deductible. To make donations to the OpenOffice.org project, click here with a link to http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html. 2. Instead of putting the button on the main page, put it on a separate Donations page, and replace the main page button with a link to the Donations page. Then, on the Donations page, explain where the money goes, that donations are not tax-deductible, and how to donate to OpenOffice.org, and include the button on this page. But, good god - if you want to sue me because eric got his panties in a wad because I didn't kiss his ass for making a yet-unseen Mac-native version of OpenOffice.org - bring it on. Nobody is threatening to sue you or send the government after you or anything else. What I am trying to do is help you stay out of trouble, in spite of yourself. I'm doing you a favor. The proper response would be Thank you and not THIS IS BULLSHIT! I have no idea who eric is. But I think you'll see that I've already disagreed with a lot of his criticism of your site. Nevertheless, you do have some potential liability here that you might want to avoid. Honestly, Chad, you seem to be creating a lot of your own problems. Calm down. Take a deep breath. Get the ego back on the leash. And read what I've said above objectively. -- Steven Shelton
Re: [Marketing] Fake???
Alex Fisher wrote: Office Depot doesn't appear to be listed. I have a suspicion it is an actual chain of office supply stores. Oh, yeah. OfficeDepot is a huge chain in the U.S. I thought they probably were elsewhere in the world, too, but apparently not. :-) OTOH, Cosmi is listed. Checking their site, they are selling re-branded OO.o in various incarnations. None of their products are actually branded as OO.o. The only result I could get from searching their site for openoffice was an entry in their FAQ. so that leaves the question - de-list them, or modify the entry to indicate that they are selling a re-branded version? (It would appear that they are selling the latest version from their on-line store). As for the original person's problem I suspect that the shop they went to was selling very old stock. They should take it back and request a refund, since that version of OO.o produced very poor HTML (and that's being polite), hence is not suitable for the stated purpose (building websites). If we have them listed, maybe it would be appropriate to contact them, tell them what happened, and see if they would be willing to do something to make things right with the customer. If they refuse or simply don't respond, delisting might be appropriate. If a company is using underhanded tactics, they shouldn't be promoted by the OOo project. It taints everyone. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo
Alexandro Colorado wrote: For the past few weeks there has been a very big discussion about reasons and what and why not does OOo doesn't come with a PIM. The issue has extended a bit too much and I realize this is really puting a lot of pressure on prooject such as the marketing list to come forward with documentation on why OOo doesn't have nor plan to develop a PIM program for the near feature. Also detail more what are the alternatives on a far more indepth reasoning for using alternatives and even go as far as conecting this users to the developers of the alternative projects. This discussion is everything but new, and I think this is an example of the situation when the marketing community has to step forward because and translate the developer speech in the language that end users can understand. End users have a logic in which the marketing community should grasp understand and manage an answer that will serve their tought process as opposed to ours. For that reason I will like to encourage the rest of the project members to brainstorm a good answer and make a page documenting and publishing the answer. Along the lines of the What's the roadmap because we want to spread accurate information query, I remember a year or two ago when this topic came up there was a great deal of movement to work with the Mozilla people to make an API to integrate Thunderbird into OOo as an add-on (i.e., make the two easy to incorporate). Does anyone know where this went? For that matter, it should be a relatively simple matter to put a PIM into OOo: just download the Mozilla Thunderbird code, tweak it a bit to add the OOo graphics and look and feel, and badda-boom, badda-bing, you got yourselves a simple PIM/email client. IIRC, Mozilla's license would allow this to be done. No need to reinvent the wheel; just get it from a different supplier of wheels. Any thoughts on this? I mean, it's such a simple solution that someone else must have come up with this before, so there must be a reason why it's not done. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] [gmane.comp.openoffice.questions] [moderated] Account complaint for free products.
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: I think that this message from users@openoffice.org may be of interest to the marketing folk. On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:55:00 +0100, Derek wrote: Sirs, I wish to complain about your free offer of cds, which I have received You have taken the following monies from my account for delivery of these products. These products were a free offer via your web site. a charge of £1,12.dated 30 March 2006 a further of charge £0.58 on the 1 April 2006. was made Now another charge has appeared for the sum of £27.94 dated 24 April, as I have not ordered any further products I will not pay this additional charge and will have the account stopped. The location number is 800-4628144. I take great exception to taking money from my account without a bill being sent and as to why this is being charged. Please close my account forthwith. I will not be dealing with you again in future. I await your remarks with interest. disgruntled D.J.Stanton Sounds similar to a scam that was reported on this list a week or so ago, although that one was in the States and this sounds like it happened in the U.K. Did someone get in touch with him to let him know OOo has nothing to do with it? -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Think All
Support wrote: I agree. As a Community Distributor I am concerned about our reputation. I visited this site and it is as this gentleman describes. They list OOo at $99, offer it as part of a free four CD set and bill only a $2.95 shipping charge. However, if you read their Terms of Use they state that only two of the CDs are actually free and the other two are offered on a 10 day trial. If the buyer does not contact the company at the end of the ten days with intent to return the two CDs he will be charged $24.95 for each one. But that's not all. By requesting the CDs the buyer joins a CD of the month type of membership where he will receive a set of 4 CDs each month on a ten day trial with the same terms. [...snip...] These terms are not disclosed to the buyer before the sale. In fact, I did not find them anywhere on the site except in the Terms of Use, which most people do not read. Instead, they advertise the products as free with a shipping fee. I know you the OpenOffice.org community cannot prevent them from distributing open source software but if this company is a Community Distributor you can remove them from the list. They do not telll people that it is open source, in fact they mislead them to think it is normally expensive software sold retail. That is very unethical. Perhaps the marketing project can create a web page or other communiqué to warn the public about such inscrupulous vendors. Depending on where they are located, they could be subject to legal penalties. Certainly they would be subject to the Consumer Protection Act here in Michigan for engaging in deceptive and unfair business practices. Anyone know where they are physically located? The state Attorney General (if they're in the States) might want to have a chat with them. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Think All
Sigrid Kronenberger wrote: I found this on their website (under their privacy policy) Our physical address is: Think All Publishing LLC. 5700 Granite Parkway, Suite 200, Plano, TX 75024. Does this help you? Assuming that it's legit (which it may or may not be; I sue scam artists of this ilk all the time and they always have fake info on their websites), we should have someone from the project (preferably in Texas) file a complaint with the Texas Attorney General. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- 43% of all statistics are worthless. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Daniel Carrera wrote: If I recall correctly, it is Frutiger, which is a propietary font. A bit odd for an open source project to use a propietary ($250) font. I once tried to find a free alternative that could look similar. I think I settled for Toga. http://www.binara.com/toga/ Toga is a good font over-all. It's quite readable and it has all the right porterties (for me) a font can have. If you want to make it look more like the OOo logo you'll have to rescale the image horizontally because the OOo logo is condensed and Toga is semi-condensed. The blue is specified in pantone, but I can't remember what it was. I remember that finding it was incredibly difficult. I suggest you just use the RGB approximation. Cheers, Daniel. Actually, all of this is spelled out in the style manual, which is available in the Art Project pages. (And, no, I don't think Toga was the final decision; I think it was Bitstream Vera Sans condensed to something like 78%, but that's just off the top of my head; the actual specs are in the style manual.) -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54289 should be linked from the main art sub-project page but isn't :-( A valid comment. :-) I thought it had been linked. If I get the time (which, admittedly, is doubtful) I'll see what I can do about that. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Daniel Carrera wrote: Steven Shelton wrote: Actually, all of this is spelled out in the style manual, which is available in the Art Project pages. I can't find it. Do you have a link? I thought it was linked from the main Art Project page, but apparently it's not. Ooops! (And, no, I don't think Toga was the final decision; I don't know what *your* final decision was. I was talking about *my* final decision when I tried to emulate the logo. All well and good, but to be clear: it's not my final decision. The style manual (which I think it's fair to say is somewhere between the semiofficial and official rulebook, to the extent that one exists) has gone through numerous revisions with a great deal of input from many people. Just to clarify. :-) I think it was Bitstream Vera Sans condensed to something like 78%, That's equivalent to my finding. The toga font is a semi-condensed variation of Bitstream (you'll remember that the Bitstream license requires you to change the font's name if you make a modification). Fair 'nuff! but that's just off the top of my head; the actual specs are in the style manual.) I can RTFM, but I can't find the FM :) That does make it more difficult, doesn't it? -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] new download page
Chad Smith wrote: (a) incl. JRE means the download includes the JRE - therefore, if you do not have the JRE - this is the one you choose. Without JRE means the download is without a JRE - therefore, if you already have (or do not want) the JRE - this is the one you choose. Maybe we could change it to be: Windows (JRE included) Windows or Windows (with JRE) Windows (without JRE) or would we still run into the same problem? Anytime you say something as short as possible - you leave yourself open for misunderstanding, especially when you get in to implied negatives, double negatives, many ways to look at it, etc. No? I think Windows (with JRE) and Windows (without JRE) would be just as confusing: do you mean the package includes the JRE, or is it for Windows already running the JRE? The Windows (JRE included) is a good improvement, I think. I'd also like to see some upgrade information on the installation (or even download) page. For instance, can I just install the new version over 2.0.1, or do I need to uninstall/reinstall? -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] ITwire article
Jonathon Coombes wrote: http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/3517/106/ Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Apache/1.3.34 Server at www.itwire.com.au Port 80 -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Free or not free?
Stephen Rose wrote: I found OpenOffice on sale at a computing website (www.funkyputer.com http://www.funkyputer.com/ ) and would like to know if you have a commercial version? You have probably already gotten several replies on this, but in case you haven't . . . OpenOffice.org is a commercial product. By commercial I mean stable, fully-featured, and on par with other well-known office suites, such as Microsoft Office and the Corel office suite. It has been developed by Sun Microsystems in collaboration with a huge volunteer developer base, and is in use by many large corporations and governments around the world. The only real difference between OpenOffice.org and more traditional products is that OpenOffice.org is not commercial in that sense that you have to pay for it; you are free to download the application (an the source code, if you wish) and install it on as many computers as you want, give as many copies away as you want, or even modify it, rebrand it, and sell it as your own product (provided you comply with the requirements of the license). Yeah, I know . . . sounds too good to be true, but for once it's not. In fact, the fact that the application is free has been one of the major obstacles in marketing the thing: people tend to be suspicious of stuff that's just given away (and for good reason). If you really WANT to pay for it, you can buy StarOffice, which is Sun Microsystems' rebranded version. StarOffice has some extra tools and goodies thrown in, and I believe Sun provides live technical support for StarOffice purchasers (although I don't really know much about it myself.) You can get more information here: http://www.openoffice.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org http://www.oooforum.org/ Enjoy! -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Final call for easter egg oppinion!
J David Eisenberg wrote: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Steven Pauwels wrote: Some of the contras: - they take the trust out of OOo - distractive to school children these are the two most important for me. Leave in the Easter Eggs; allow an administrator to turn them off on install, thus solving the education problem. It seems to me that this is a good compromise. I don't see why this is such a controversial idea; the Easter Eggs still stay, but the user (who is who we are concerned about) is the one who can decide if they're accessible or not. I would also like to see us put a moratorium on new Easter Eggs. I personally like them, but two or three are enough. If this is the sort of thing that is seen as being encouraged, it will unnecessarily bloat the code, and one of the things people often complain about with OOo is how big the code is to download since it's all one integrated suite, and you can't just download (for instance) the spreadsheet without also getting Base, Impress, etc. *deposits two pennies* -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] artwork database?
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Why don't we use the DocumentFiles area for the material? If we use the same hierarchical structure as the database / wiki tables the material should be quite easy to be accessed. I think that's what Jacqueline actually suggested we do. If I understand you correctly, that's what I did with the logos until they were officially approved. And finally it should be included in the galleries... Yup. My apologies to everyone for not being more active in this. I am in the process of starting up a new law firm, and that's kind of eaten into my OOo addiction. Soon, I hope, I will be able to do more than just sit on the sidelines. (I may try tweaking the style guide again.) -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] banner
Steven Pauwels wrote: Hi there, http://www.steven.be/OOo/bannerOOo2468x60.gif please comment. Intentions: Using no other components then the ones I found in the OOo 2.0 section, I tried to give the following message to the public without using Bill :) or any words in the message that they do not understand: Get this office suite completely for free forever in stead of trying it for 30 day's... and then being sattisfied and having to pay an enormous amount of investment cashif I want to get it... for something you can get for free... Really? h interesting. The tag: 'it _is_ the standard' could be a campaign bottomline... Feel free to add, comment As I live in Belgium, language is a problem... In one office we can have 5 languages... duh... OOo is nice there... so what about... free times another language equals free as a marketing slogan? this is an issue in fi: Medecins sans frontieres... or other humanitairy orgs... languages... well, I like input of any kind... so gimme' gimme' gimme' some good or bad... I can take it... I can! I can! Looks nice. But the approved positioner is Open. For Business. and not It is the standard. One of those guidelines we were talking about earlier. :-) -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] banner
Finn Gruwier Larsen wrote: By the way - where is the approved positioner to be used? I haven't seen it anywere. I would expect to see it as one of the first things that caught my eyes on the main page of the website... It should be. It should be everywhere. I think it's just the nature of the volunteer beast that it's been slow to work its way onto the site. (It should also be on the splash screen, etc. in my opinion. Something that could be done as part of the next microupdate.) -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] positioner [was: banner]
Bernhard Dippold wrote: For the ones willing to use it, I created a first draft of the logo with positioner http://www.familie-dippold.de/OpenOffice.org/logo_with_positioner.png Not to be picky, but it's intentionally Open. For Business. and not Open - for business. The punctuation is important! -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Investing In Research Development
Simon Phipps wrote: I was with you at the beginning of that, Don, but I'm surprised to hear you saying free RD given what you've written on LXer recently. It's not free/gratis. It costs every one of us time, many of us money as well. As the cost of the R D is not bourne by a single entity, you're right that it's pointless to try to estimate a dollar value for it unless you also establish the exchange rate. But it's not free/gratis. Each community member invests according to their ability and goals, and they do so because they expect to see a return on that investment on their own terms and timescale. I think that what he was saying is that it's free to the company that takes advantage of it, not to the people who actually do the RD. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] A Christmas Present for OOo
Jonathon Blake wrote: All: I' This is a public request that the following individuals give the OOo project a Christmas present: i): Jacqueline McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] ii) : Louis Suarez-Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED]] The Christmas present I ask of them Their _immediate_ resignation from _all_ FLOSS projects that they are currently involved in. ENOUGH. This crap has gone on long enough. If you want to wage personal little battles with others, do it off-list. I'm tired of wading through 800 messages of third-grade tantrums and name-calling to find the one message actually related to the project. We're all big boys and girls around here and we should be able to handle these kinds of disagreements in a mature manner. Quite frankly, this kind of public whining irritates me more than any of the allegations aimed at either Louis or Jacqueline at this point, even if they were true. (And, to be honest, I couldn't care less if they are or not.) So grow up, take it off list, and stop spamming me with this crap. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Vote for official positioner (slogan) reopened [was: Positioner voting not closed tomorrow]
Bernhard Dippold wrote: So I restart the voting for the positioner (a short slogan containing the main points of a product, that can be used as entity with the logo) again. (If you want to get more infos, you may have a look at the thread: http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=devby=threadfrom=1053380) [snip] I'd like to end the voting next Thursday - and with many people joining in the vote we'll get a result that can be recommended as official positioner for OpenOffice.org 2.0 Oops! didn't see this! My votes remain the same. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] the beginning of the end for closed documents
Chad Smith wrote: Microsoft to standardize Office formats http://news.com.com/Microsoft+to+standardize+Office+formats/2100-1012_3-5965443.html From the article: Moving to standard as an open standard will place a level of trust on the technology that will give people the confidence to get behind it, said Alan Yates, general manager of Microsoft's information worker strategy. We look forward to the day when people look at this as a milestone, as the beginning of the end for closed documents. -- What do you all think? Sadly, I'm skeptical, but if they do actually follow through, then I say good for them and I'll have to give them some props for doing the right thing. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Microsoft to announce open-standard XML file format support at midnight CET
Chad Smith wrote: This is a good thing, though, right? I mean, people have been saying that if MS would only support ODF, everything would be just fine. So if MS comes up with an XML-based truly Open Standard (approved by ISO), then OOo could use it, MSO could use it, KOffice could use it, AbiWord could use it, WordPerfect could use it, etc. etc. etc. - and all would open 100% right, as long as the people making the software read and followed the ISO-approved Open Standard. Is that a correct statement? So why would it matter if ODF or MSO-OpenXML, (or whatever it will be called) gets approved by ISO? If it's open, it's open, right? What could MS do that would make this a bad thing? That's what I'm trying to get at. MS does not do truly open standards. Most likely, what MS is planning to do is submit their existing XML as an open standard and then, in their applications, utilize the open standard and then add proprietary information to it when the application saves. That way, MS Office can open everyone else's files reliably but nobody else can open MS Office files reliably, even though they are based on the open standard. It's the same game they played with HTML standards. Nothing new. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=- Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery. -=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Buttons/Codes for Blog Users?
Iris wrote: Hi, I am looking to promote Open Office on my personal blog, but I can't find any buttons/codes to paste into my template. Anything in the works to have buttons for supporters of Open Office? If you have it already, please direct me in the right direction. Peace, There are a number of buttons and banners already created. Some are available at http://ooodocs.sourceforge.net/graphics/banners/index.html but only the banners that do not specifically refer to version 1.0 should be used. There are others that have been created and will be made easily accessible once I figure out how to use the CVS to do so. For the moment, you can reach them in Ussezilla. Create an account at www.OpenOffice.org then log in and go to Issue #55665 (http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=55665). A few of my favorite button designs are here (you'd need to extract the individual buttons from the contact sheets): http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31068/OOo-2.0-test-buttons.png http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/30624/Web-buttons-test-small.png http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/30625/Web-buttons-test-large.png I've also got a bunch of 468 x 60 banner ads that I've designed: http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31174/OOo-v2.0-Banner(TaskBennies.jpg http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31175/OOo-v2.0-Banner4.gif http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31176/OOo-v2.0-Banner3.gif http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31177/OOo-v2.0-Banner2.gif http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31178/OOo-v2.0-Banner1.gif http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31179/OOo-v2.0-Banner2.jpg http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31180/OOo-v2.0-Banner(MaxCompat).jpg http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31181/OOo-v2.0-Banner(COSOS).jpg http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/31182/OOo-v2.0-Banner1.jpg Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.
Daniel Carrera wrote: Hello all, Microsoft has said that they will support OpenDocument in MS Office if there is customer demand for it. The OpenDocument Fellowship has started a petition for Microsoft to support OpenDocument. To show that there /is/ demand for OpenDocument: http://opendocumentfellowship.org/petition/ After only one day, the petition has gathered 788 signatures representing 44,425 computers who are asking MS to support OpenDocument: I saw this on Jean Hollis Weber's blog at O'Reilly and I referenced it in my blog (although I couldn't trackback to it because I couldn't find a trackback URL on her page). This is very cool, although I'm sure Microsoft will say these aren't signatures from our customers; these are people who have no intention of buying our product. Any excuse, any excuse. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=- I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges. -=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.
Chad Smith wrote: On 10/21/05, Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Shelton wrote: I saw this on Jean Hollis Weber's blog at O'Reilly and I referenced it in my blog (although I couldn't trackback to it because I couldn't find a trackback URL on her page). This is very cool, although I'm sure Microsoft will say these aren't signatures from our customers; these are people who have no intention of buying our product. Any excuse, any excuse. Yeah, I figure they'll say something like that. Or they'll say that the signatures are all fake, or whatever. But whatever they say will just make them look silly really. Um, not really. Did you sign it, Daniel? Is there any power on earth that will get you to shell out $150 for MS Office? (Since you are a student and a teacher.) You don't even own Windows or a Mac! You *can't* buy their product. MS would be absolutely right to say this petition is pointless. It's just a publicity stunt by the OpenDocument Foundation or Friends or whatever. [snip] This is a huge waste of time. And it's only going to make ODF look more desparate for publicity. Not that I necessarily disagree (totally) with what you're saying, Chad, but having read some of your postsare you actually responding to these messages on your computer at your office in Redmond or do you use another email address for this list? (Just kidding. Mostly. No, entirely. Okay, 90%.) -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=- Free Love! (Offer valid only while stocks last) -=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] nice launch
Sam Hiser wrote: Congratulations to everyone for a fine 2.0 launch! -Sam Here, here! Huzzah! -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=- Math and alcohol don't mix. Don't drink and derive. -=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Fox News Airs Rebuttals
Don Parris wrote: Fox News finally aired some of the e-mail rebuttals to James Prendergast's article Massachusetts Should Shut Down OpenDocument: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172063,00.html I didn't recognize the names, and my own e-mail didn't make the cut, but I did keep in touch with Fox News until they published this. My own e-mail did get published on LXer last week, in response to Adelstein's article about Prendergast's affiliation with ATL. I guess it all came out in the wash, so to speak. Anyway, I thought the e-mails published on Fox News were pretty representative of my own points. What I love is the editor's notes at the end: The column _Massachusetts Should Close Down OpenDocument_ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170724,00.html that appeared on FOXnews.com Sept. 28 identified author James Prendergast as executive director of Americans for Technology Leadership, but failed to disclose that Microsoft is a founding member of that organization. ATL is a coalition of technology companies, professionals and organizations that advocates for limited government regulation of technology and for competitive market solutions to technology policy. In addition to Microsoft, ATL's founding members include Staples, Inc., CompUSA, Citizens Against Government Waste, CompTIA, Small Business Survival Committee, Clarity Consulting, Cityscape Filmworks, Association for Competitive Technology and 60Plus Association. Mr. Prendergast's affiliation with Microsoft should have been stated clearly in the article. On the other hand, we should have expected him to have an agenda the moment his column appeared. After all, it *is* Fox News -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- Latest figures show the death rate remaining steady at one per person. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Abiword and OpenDocument
Chad Smith wrote: What is your point? A Grammar Checker can still be used. The existance of a calculator does not preclude the need for basic math skills. The existance of a spell checker does not mean one needn't worry about learning to spell. A radio does not get rid of the need for reading ability. A computer does not mean that being able to hand write a letter or note will never be useful. A Grammar Checker is a tool - just like a word processor - and it's something that people use, people expect, and people want. If such a tool is able to be included in OpenOffice.org - it *should* be. Your complaint is unfounded and poitnless. Not really. I have yet to find a grammar checker that really worked worth anything. In fact, they seem to find almost nothing but false positives. IMHO, a grammar checker is a great idea for a third-party add-on, but not for the core. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- witlag, n.: the delay between delivery and comprehension of a joke. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] theme for 2.0 promotion
Bernhard Dippold wrote: This can be combined with the NFP orientation, but in my eyes they stay as different goals side by side. It's just a question: - Do we want to find an appropriate slogan for the NFP goal and keep it as positioner for longer than just the 2.0 promotion? - Do we want to combine the goals in one: OOo as high quality Suite especially for NFP organizations? - Or do we follow a two-track policy with the NFP theme only for the OOo2.0 promotion and the professional / quality theme for all the time until the release of OOo3.0? Until we have reached a decision about the goals I'll keep the positioner voting open - you may change your voting if you'll find different priorities during the discussion. Bearing in mind that not-for-profit does not mean unprofessional, I'm not sure that there's a real difference in the message we would send. All not-for-profit means is that there's no dispursement of profits to shareholders. Most non-profits (at least, the successful ones) operate as businesses, and have the same needs/requirements as any other business. Think of the better-known non-profits: the Red Cross/Red Crescent, YMCA, Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts, United Way, NAACP, ACLU, and so on. Or, heck, even local churches. (I know something of this, being that my father is a minister and I spent a good deal of my youth doing office work around the church office.*grin*) All of these places have the exact same needs/concerns/reservations/fears when it comes to obtaining software as companies like EDS, McDonalds, and the local mom-and-pop flower shop. They want reliable, feature-rich software that's going to be stable, relatively easy to use, portable, and supported. The only real difference is that the budget factor is far more important to most not-for-profits than it is for your average-sized business. And don't forget: we do still want businesses involved. The trick is to include them without sending the message this is software really designed for non-profits and not for business. The focus on the NFP sector can be implemented best, I think, by selecting appropriate channels of communication. Targeted mailing would be great, but who has the budget for that? Web banners on sites frequented by NFP staff--places like VolunteerMatch.org, for instance--would be great if they accepted advertising. I'm sure some do, but others definitely do not. The best place, probably, is at local NFP conferences; for instance, Kalamazoo (where I used to live) had a local Volunteer Coordinators Organization that met each month. Most communites have local ministerial alliances where lots of churches from different denominations get together. There are tons of places where NFP managers and directors go to get training and learn from each other. The best approach, I think, would be to get the message out through presentations at these types of organizations. Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] No interest in official positioner?
Bernhard Dippold wrote: I wanted the CC to discuss this topic at Koper, therefore close the voting tonight. By now this seems not to be possible, so tell me what to do: - nothing at all (drop the idea of a central positioner) - wait until tonight for many many postings - extend the time for voting - find another way to a conclusion among the marketing people - decide on my own which positioner I add to the gallery As someone else pointed out, the voting scheme was a bit confusing. (I did it wrong the first time, actually.) Plus, it was over a weekend so a lot of people were probably out and about and not checking their email very frequently. I would say that we could extend the voting deadline. I'm sure folks at Koper will have some way to check email, so maybe we can just make sure it's an agenda item and get it sent to them at some point before that agenda item is scheduled for discussion? -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- 668: The Neighbor of the Beast. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Please vote: Official positioner for OOo2.0?
Chad Smith wrote: Today's Office. Tomorrow's Standard. (A, B, D) - 6 (Maybe reworded to Tomorrow's Standard in Today's Office. - lead with the future. So it's like The future - today. instead of Today is the future.) I like that, too. :-) AND PEOPLE, IT'S SHELTON! WITH A FRICKIN' T!!! *maniacal laugh* -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Please vote: Official positioner for OOo2.0?
Steven Shelton wrote: My votes would be: 3 - Open. For business. 3 - The New Office Suite Standard 1 - Free Your Files [Although I have a concern that this might already be used by soemone] 1 - Upgrade to Open Standards 1 - Upgrade to Data Freedom 1 - Give Freedom a 2.0nd Chance Just found out I misunderstood the voting procedure. So, change mine to: 10 - Open. For business. 9 - The New Office Suite Standard 8 - Free Your Files 7 - Upgrade to Open Standards 7 - Upgrade to Data Freedom 6 - Today's Office. Tomorrow's Standard. 4 - Give Freedom a 2.0nd Chance 3 - Your company. Your data. Your Office. 2 - The easier way to work 1 - Interoperable with the Future Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Please vote: Official positioner for OOo2.0?
Bernhard Dippold wrote: *** here are the proposals you may vote for (maximum 10 points) *** I had some others that I posted but somehow my post didn't go through. I think they deserve consideration, too: Your company. Your data. Your Office. (A, C, D) Compatible with your Office. (A, B, C, D) The New Office Suite Standard (A, D, E) Free. In every sense. (A, C, F) Today's Office. Tomorrow's Standard. (A, B, D) Open Doors. Open Source. OpenOffice.org (A, C, E) Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- Never put off 'til tomorrow what you can avoid altogether. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Please vote: Official positioner for OOo2.0?
My votes would be: 3 - Open. For business. 3 - The New Office Suite Standard 1 - Free Your Files [Although I have a concern that this might already be used by soemone] 1 - Upgrade to Open Standards 1 - Upgrade to Data Freedom 1 - Give Freedom a 2.0nd Chance Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular. -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Comments on Sep 7, U offers nearly free Office suite article
Lars D. Noodén wrote: Most non-power users of MS-Windows that I talk with [1] are unhappy about the menu and functionality changes that occur between versions of MSO. They are further put out by the changes in format which MS uses to drive the upgrade These people also see these problems as both innevitable and re-curring. Of course, just to play devil's advocate, OOo underwent some fairly significant menu and functionality changes between v 1 and v 2 -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=- Free Love! (Offer valid only while stocks last) -=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] MassGov declares for OpenDocument
Daniel Carrera wrote: Well, I'll take your word for it. So let's move on and get a list of spokespeople. I have a proposal. I suggest that the PR team of OOo consist of: * Marketing Leads. * MarCons. * Representatives from NL projects (e.g. NL leads + a PR person?). The good thing about this is that it keeps marketing tasks cleanly inside the marketing sphere. I think this list is very good because: (a) It is simple and clear. (b) It doesn't tie down the project needlessly (ie. it allows quick responses to events). I think that's a fantastic idea. In addition, we could add a few additional PR experts with the approval of the community council. I think that going through the CC for this will only paralize the project. This doesn't mean that the CC sucks. You know I was in the CC just recently. But you can't be effective, while expecting the CC to be in charge of everything. We have Marketing Leads, and we trust them to do marketing, including MarCon management. As someone famous once said, +1 Whoever the project picks, we would also need a mechanism to stop people from doing/saying what they want to do/say if start to act like a loose cannon. What I suggested above has that feature, while being simple, and not requiring changes in the project structure or procedures. It simply empowers the Marketing project and its Leads to do their job. What I would suggest is that if someone is going to send it out, they first email it to the other official spokescritters with a set time limit (8 hours, 12 hours, something like that) for someone to blackball the message if there's a valid reason to do so. Or, we could set a number of people (5 or something) who have to approve it before it is sent. (In other words, if I wanted to send out a press release or something, I'd send it to all of the official spokescritters, and once at least five of them said looks good! I'd be able to send it out.) This has two advantages: we have more than one set of eyes looking it over, and everyone is on the same page (at least if they read their email). -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=- Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. -=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] article: LinuxWorld 2005 Thursday
Daniel Carrera wrote: Bruce Byfield wrote: At any reputable media outlet, it's also a waste of time to write a story that's really a hidden news release. At Newsforge, for example, I believe that such submissions automatically get bounced. At best, they get put into the NewsVac column. Could you explain this part? How can you really tell apart between a story and a news release? For example, suppose I write a story about what's planned for OOoCon. Is that a story or a news release? That depends, says the former journalist and morning show producer/anchor. :-) If you fill it with what we always called marketing flack about how great the product is, use lots of adjectives like great and best and most and powerful and fantastic, or do comparisons against competing products, it gets pitched right away as an attempt at advertising. If you write it in a journalistic style (non-passionate descriptions of who, what, when, where, why, and how...preferably with inverted pyramid organization), avoid hype, and mention only your product in passing, it gets at least a look and maybe a slight rewrite. Write it as if you were a journalist completely unattached to the project (either you mention your product only in passing without going into any specifics at all or you also give your competitors something close to equal time) sticking only to the facts, it as often as not gets published without any changes at all. Of course, a lot of this depends on the outlet you're sending it to, as well. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=-=-=-=- Oo, baby.talk nerdy to me! -=-=-=-=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] [Fwd: [newsletter] MS lochs down Scots Police deal]
Mark Harrison wrote: I'm sorry if this has come over as a rant, BUT the biggest criticism I hear of the OpenSource movement among my corporate clients - people who could change over tens of thousands of desktops if they wanted to - is that the OpenSource movement is full of people who want them to buy because Microsoft is Evil, and aren't prepared to have a discussion about the business requirements they have beyond the perceived need that they have a moral responsiblity to fight evil! I kid you not, the people I deal with use phrases like I don't want to have a religious debate, because of how the some in the OpenSource community tend to portray the alternatives. At the risk of being too ironic, amen! I get this a lot, myself. The impression really comes off as being one that open source supporters are so partisan about anything anti-Microsoft that they are blind to some of the real advantages offered by some Microsoft products. It's like trying to watch the news on one of the evangelical Christian stations here in the States; the political agenda is such a distraction that it overrides any sense of objectivity, and without objectivity there is no credibility. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] OpenOffice.org idea/suggestion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Since OpenOffice.org decided to drop development of an Email/Scheduler application, I have been looking for another program to fill the empty spot. Then I had an idea. Does anyone over at OpenOffice.org use Mozilla Thunderbird? I dont have the know-how to do this, but I think it would be really cool if someone made a theme for Thunderbird that would imitate at least the look, if not the feel, of OpenOffice.org 2.0. This way people could identify the OpenOffice.org and Thunderbird applications as tools that can/should be used to compliment one another, as an alternative to Microsoft Outlook and the rest of the MS Office applications. Thunderbird extensions could be written in order to interact and integrate with OpenOffice.orgs Writer and other apps, if necessary. Additionally, plug-ins or new features for OpenOffice.org applications could be written, if necessary, to interact and integrate with Thunderbird. (An OpenOffice.org theme for Mozilla Firefox would be nice, too.) I think if both OpenOffice.org and Mozilla teamed up to promote/market the use of each others products together, they would convince more people to leave MS Office/Internet Explorer. I would be interested to know what you think about this. Thanks, I think this is already going on, isn't it? I know there's been some collaboration between the two projects. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=- Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow. -=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
