Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Dave - AB7E wrote: > > > Are the feature list and specifications now firm? And if so, what are > they? I would have thought that anyone contemplating spending $700 for > any box, even with the Elecraft name on it, would want to know what it > does before sending off the check. > > No. I think the order backlog for this will probably be even bigger than it was for the K3 when that was announced. Those who aren't quick off the mark will be lucky to see a P3 before Christmas. So the savvy will order the minute it comes up on the website and then decide if they need it. Heck, I expect some people are sending $700 cheques already to Eric to secure places at the head of the queue. You can always sell it to someone further down the waiting list! - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4565588.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: VHF/UHF transverters
Hi Lyle, A question set on the new transverter interface KXV3A and the K144. How many internal ports does the KXV3 have? If it is only one is the KV144 daisy chainable like the XV144. If yes when is the KV70/220/432/1296 coming out! There was discussion on low level outputs for driving gear for higher bands. I see these are not currently connected. Has that plan now been dropped/put on hold or is it being done by bypassing the PA and using the antenna socket? Finally. is it possible to get 8-12V on the 144MHz antenna port on TX like on the FT290? This is how many of us drive microwave transverter PTTs. It would allow me to use my K3 on 24GHz. Mike -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-VHF-UHF-transverters-tp4564132p4565572.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Buddipole
Hi, N6xvt/Karl here, I have a Buddipole. I set it up correctly for 20 m. When I tuned up my K3 I got about 1.1/1.2 SWR. I would imagine it tunes at about 5-10 watts. If I transmit at 1-10 watts it seems to run fine. At 100 watts the K3 shuts itself of at the second CQ I send. I am on SSB. If I hook up a dummy load to the K3 it runs fine at any power setting. I live in an apartment on the second floor. The Buddipole is outside on the balcony. I am running the cable that came with the Buddiploe. I have tried both ANT one and two. Thanks for any info. 73 N6xvt __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: VHF/UHF transverters
H - I have an unbuilt XV144 and was not going to buy the K144XV because I thought I had read somewhere that the XV144 would be sufficiently better to warrant using the XV144 - but that would generally be portable or at an alternative address and via a 100W PA. Now wondering if the additional kit to carry (the XV144) makes it worth it. The K144XV will give 8-10 Watts, the XV144 20-25 Watts - strikes me as I'd have to drive a PA with at least 10 and that would be pushing the K144XV, whereas I could reasonably get 15 - 20 from the XV144 and not get it too hot (a known problem?) and not over-drive them either. 73 de M0XDF -- Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe. -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642) On 12 Feb 2010, at 23:29, Lyle Johnson wrote: > Comments below >> 1. Are the external (K144XV, 25 W) and internal (XV144, 10 W) 2m >> transverters identical with respect to receiver specs? >> > The noise figure at the antenna jack on the internal transverter may be > slightly higher due to the PIN diode T/R switch. The external > transverter has relay-based T/R switching. >> 2. Is there a schematic on the web for the internal 2m transceiver, XV144? >> > The schematic has not been posted yet. However, I just compared the > receiver section of the K144XV the XV144 and, apart from the relay > versus PIN diode switch, they are essentially identical. I say > essentially because a component value may be slightly different due to > stray or parasitic PCB layout differences, but the circuit topology and > active devices are identical. >> 3. If we want also to run an K432XV do we still have a choice between >> running an internal or an external 2m transverters? >> > Yes. The internal 2m module has its own set of switched IF connectors > on the KXV3A (not KXV3) interface. External Elecraft transverters hook > up to the external jacks. If you use external 2m and 70cm Elecraft > transverters, they will both conenct tot he K3. >> 4. IF the K3 has two receivers, can one listen on 2 m and the other on 70 >> cm? >> > > I believe the answer is yes, *but* one will have to be interfaced using > the regular antenna connections. The KXV3(A) only provides connection > to one receiver. This is not compatible with the usual "daisy chain" > configuration of XV-series transverters. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: VHF/UHF transverters
In a recent message, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" writes > >The K144XV will give 8-10 Watts, the XV144 20-25 Watts - strikes me as >I'd have to drive a PA with at least 10 and that would be pushing the >K144XV, whereas I could reasonably get 15 - 20 from the XV144 and not >get it too hot (a known problem?) and not over-drive them either. Your XV144 should not get too hot, David. I presume that yours will have vent holes in the top and bottom covers whereas the early ones (like mine) did not. Now that I have provided ventilation I do not have a heat problem and can merrily run mine up to 25W. The Mitsubishi RA30H1317M PA module is in fact rated to have a Pout >30W at up to 175MHz. -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: VHF/UHF transverters
Thanks, I don't actually know about the vent holes - I haven't done an inventory of it yet and I've had it since I got the K3 - talk about not having time! Don't suppose you have an K144XV to compare against? -- Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresa, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein. -H. Jackson Brown, Jr., writer On 13 Feb 2010, at 11:15, David Pratt wrote: > In a recent message, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" > writes >> >> The K144XV will give 8-10 Watts, the XV144 20-25 Watts - strikes me as >> I'd have to drive a PA with at least 10 and that would be pushing the >> K144XV, whereas I could reasonably get 15 - 20 from the XV144 and not >> get it too hot (a known problem?) and not over-drive them either. > > Your XV144 should not get too hot, David. I presume that yours will > have vent holes in the top and bottom covers whereas the early ones > (like mine) did not. Now that I have provided ventilation I do not have > a heat problem and can merrily run mine up to 25W. The Mitsubishi > RA30H1317M PA module is in fact rated to have a Pout >30W at up to > 175MHz. > -- > David G4DMP > Leeds, England, UK > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 /Rx2 Best Seller Version for Shortwave Listeners Only
Wayne, Eric -- If Elecraft ever develops an inexpensive 'curtailed' K3 receiver only, just for shortwave listeners, it will be a best seller -- my guess: 1,000 units sold over a ten year period. Development wouldn't be hard: Two receivers. No Tx-related boards at all (upgrade later). Hundreds of memories. Add a VHF Rx module for Air/Ham/Government. A Utility program to upgrade/ download SW and VHF and AM Braodcast frequency lists into the K3. SW antenna accessories. Etcetera. Call it the "K3-Rx2" model. Whatever. Have fun with this one. //Mark, W2OR. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Rx2-Best-Seller-Version-for-Shortwave-Listeners-Only-tp4565762p4565762.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] WTB KAT2 Tuner
I would like to buy a KAT2 tuner built or unbuilt. I also am willing to sell my KPA100 if someone needs it. Now that the k3 is my main rig, I am turning my K2 back into my main QRP rig for travel. I can make immediate payment and accept payment through Paypal. I am also willing to trade these items...thanks and 73, Ci Jones, WU7R __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Windows - based TRlog
Hello, All: To go together with your new and shiny K3 contest rig, perhaps you're looking for a sweet and simple Windows-based software package? I've used TRLog for many years, but it's a DOS-based program and doesn't work nicely with my XP operating system. Whenever I looked at a Windows-based software package like N1MM, they talked about problems with sending CW, without peripheral keying systems. Check out TR4W (TR 4 Windows). It's very similar to TRLog, based on Trees's code, and works very well with the K3, controlling it through the serial port. I've found no problems with the computer sending CW through the K3. The author, Dmitriy, will respond to your queries and ideas. Best of all, the software is free! http://www.tr4w.com/ 73 Mike VE3GFN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: VHF/UHF transverters
Hi Lyle, Thanks for your response. I take this to mean that with an internal 2 m transverter it can listen to 2 m on rx A, while rx B listens simultaneously through an external XV432 on 70 cm. KK7P wrote: > > >>> 4. IF the K3 has two receivers, can one listen on 2 m and the other on >>> 70 >>> cm? > I meant, using both receivers simultaneously is not compatible with the > usual "daisy chain" configuration of XV-series transverters. The > KXV3(A) *is* compatible with such daisy chaining, of course. > > > - Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391 http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-VHF-UHF-transverters-tp4564132p4566156.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Amps
WW2PT wrote: > An off-the-shelf, high-end appliance to compete with THP or SPE would > be a high-cost, low-volume, low-profit venture, something I would not > want to undertake in the current economic conditions if I were CEO of > Exactly! The Microsemi ARF-1500's in the THP-2.5K are $270 a pop. How much would a power supply capable of providing 150V and 40 to 50A of clean DC cost, $500, $750? An auto tuner capable of 1500W with anything over 3 to 1 SWR will be $1K easy. We've spent over $2K so far and have half an amp. Add in QSK at 1500W, sophisticated control and self preservation system that will work with ANY T/RX, design and production costs, profit, and the huge liability costs associated with letting numbskull's dork around with dangerous voltages while building a "kit". *Run fast and far Elecraft!* How much do those Icom PW-1's and Yaesu Quadra's cost? > R. Kevin Stover > > ACØH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K2 finished
Hi all, Finally finished the K2 last night, all that remains is the final assembly but I've run out of parts except the speaker and a couple jacks and screws here and there for the final assy. I made my first, and as far as I know at this time, only, mistake when putting in the LP filter coils. when winding L21, I was looking at the turns spec for L22. I happily soldered it in and while admiring my work, noticed the wrong number of turns hi hi! So I at least caught it before I'd continued on with the build. Some solder wick and a few 4 letter words and I got it out. There was enough lead left to go ahead and install it at L22 where it was supposed to go so no harm done in the end. Like I said, Im hoping that's my only mistake! The last part of the alignment seemed to go correctly. A couple things I noted were first, in receive, peaking the bandpass filter coils had a practically undetectable peak. So I was worried that I'd messed something up. But on the xmitter alignment I was able to see a detectable peak on the wattmeter so that indicates to me the filter is working. The only other thing is the current draw in transmit seems slightly high on 15M when I (of course very breifly ;)) max out the power output. The current draw seems to go up to about 3.5 amps on the internal ammeter. The rest of the bands seems like around 3 amps is the max. Otherwise, it seems nominal and the same as other bands at reduced settings like 5 to 10 watts. Wasn't sure if there was some parasitic oscillation or anything going on. the power output looks steady on the wattmeter and the recieved signal in my 706 sounds clean. Would this happen to sound familiar to anyone? Before I put the cover on I'm going to do as Don suggested and run through Wayne's alignment procedure on the 4mhz oscillator and display calibration to get that hopefully finalized (if I can RX WWV this morning that is ;)). But all over but the shoutin' at this point ;) Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K2-finished-tp4566224p4566224.html Sent from the [K2] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K2 finished
Oops, when I said bandpass filters, I mean only on 80 meters. All the other bands had very definite and loud peaks on recieve... LS -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K2-finished-tp4566224p4566232.html Sent from the [K2] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole
Try forming about 10 ft. of your coax into a balun.loops about 6" in diameter and using some tape to hold it together. That might keep enough RF off the rig to keep it going. If this helps, consider buying a "line isolator" from Radio Works. 73 Steve N4LQ - Original Message - From: "KARL MARDERIAN" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:08 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Buddipole > Hi, N6xvt/Karl here, > I have a Buddipole. I set it up correctly for 20 m. When I tuned up my K3 > I got about 1.1/1.2 SWR. I would imagine it tunes at about 5-10 watts. If > I transmit at 1-10 watts it seems to run fine. At 100 watts the K3 shuts > itself of at the second CQ I send. I am on SSB. If I hook up a dummy load > to the K3 it runs fine at any power setting. I live in an apartment on the > second floor. The Buddipole is outside on the balcony. I am running the > cable that came with the Buddiploe. I have tried both ANT one and two. > > Thanks for any info. > 73 N6xvt > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2684 - Release Date: 02/12/10 14:35:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K2 finished
That is normal for the 80 meter bandpass - it is very broad tuning. No problem. The 15 meter higher current thing is not likely a problem either - I would guess that the max power level on that band is in excess of 14 watts, and if so, that is not a problem. Turn the power down to 10 watts and check the current draw on each band. At the 10 watt level, the current should not exceed 2.5 amps if all is working OK. If your power supply is less than 13.8 volts, the K2 will draw higher current than with the higher voltage - so make sure you have an adequate power cable. The wire may carry the current fine, but the voltage drop may be too much with a small wire - I recommend 16 gauge although 18 gauge will usually do OK. 73, Don W3FPR lstavenhagen wrote: > Oops, when I said bandpass filters, I mean only on 80 meters. All the other > bands had very definite and loud peaks on recieve... > > LS > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2683 - Release Date: 02/12/10 > 02:35:00 > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Dave - AB7E wrote: > > Are the feature list and specifications now firm? And if so, what are they? > I would have thought that anyone contemplating spending $700 for any box, > even with the Elecraft name on it, would want to know what it does before > sending off the check. > I should note that putting a prototype, and then later a working early model in front of the public for comment at some convention-style event, is RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. Early ham feedback at hamfests is essential, and it too is R&D. It's only the customers (and pent up demand) that are mistakenly insisting that they are slow. You want the kind of innovation and service they are known for, you have to wait. It's not a flaw or laziness, or some kind of commie plot to rob us of our toys. It's careful business. Good stuff at good prices is the hardest thing to do. What was that thing, you can have two of the three, quick, quality, low price? (Personally, I'm betting quality AND low price is at the root of the amp thing, I'll wait.) I wonder if anyone has noticed businesses going down for getting even close to the edge these days? Hello? The early plunk for the K3 was a VOLUNTARY early alternative financing scheme. Lot better than them being leveraged by a bank that pulls the plug on them for completely unrelated reasons. Any Rip Van Winkle types please check the financials for the last couple of years for historical information and note that Ronald Reagan is not president any more. Personally, I want Elecraft around for a while. Conservative business practices with no screeching tires at cliff's edge is just super peachy fine by me. There is no TARP fund bailout for Elecraft. They go down, we're back to getting our stuff from Yakencom and stuck with what they decide for us, whether we like it or not. And some folks WOULD plunk now for unfirm features (and there's no big gorilla around MAKING anyone plunk -- it's a CHOICE one makes), with the personal SELF-assurance that if it isn't what they want, they can come here and sell it on the reflector, fast. 73, Guy. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows - based TRlog
At 2/13/2010 08:34 AM, you wrote: >Hello, All: > >To go together with your new and shiny K3 contest rig, perhaps you're >looking for a sweet and simple Windows-based software package? > >I've used TRLog for many years, but it's a DOS-based program and >doesn't work nicely with my XP operating system. Whenever I looked at >a Windows-based software package like N1MM, they talked about >problems with sending CW, without peripheral keying systems. I use N1MM Logger with my K3 and have no problems doing CW at 30 to 35 wpm with just a serial cable connection. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: VHF/UHF transverters
> A question set on the new transverter interface KXV3A and the K144. > > How many internal ports does the KXV3 have? One - see the schematics on the website. > Finally. is it possible to get 8-12V on the 144MHz antenna port on TX Looks like +5V with a nominal 4.7K source impedance during Tx. 73, Lyle KK7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: VHF/UHF transverters
Hello Sverre! > Thanks for your response. I take this to mean that with an internal 2 m > transverter it can listen to 2 m on rx A, while rx B listens simultaneously > through an external XV432 on 70 cm. > It should be possible to do exactly as you suggest, but I cannot say if the UI currently supports this or not. I simply do not know. 73, Lyle KK7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Guy - Please don't forget that Elecraft sucked in quite a few of us on the K3 by promising wildly optimistic delivery dates. I consider that to be a highly questionable business practice. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Dave - AB7E > wrote: > > > > Are the feature list and specifications now firm? And if so, what are > they? I would have thought that anyone contemplating spending $700 for any > box, even with the Elecraft name on it, would want to know what it does > before sending off the check. > > > > I should note that putting a prototype, and then later a working early > model in front of the public for comment at some convention-style > event, is RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. Early ham feedback at hamfests is > essential, and it too is R&D. > > It's only the customers (and pent up demand) that are mistakenly > insisting that they are slow. You want the kind of innovation and > service they are known for, you have to wait. It's not a flaw or > laziness, or some kind of commie plot to rob us of our toys. It's > careful business. Good stuff at good prices is the hardest thing to > do. What was that thing, you can have two of the three, quick, > quality, low price? (Personally, I'm betting quality AND low price is > at the root of the amp thing, I'll wait.) > > I wonder if anyone has noticed businesses going down for getting even > close to the edge these days? Hello? The early plunk for the K3 was > a VOLUNTARY early alternative financing scheme. Lot better than them > being leveraged by a bank that pulls the plug on them for completely > unrelated reasons. Any Rip Van Winkle types please check the > financials for the last couple of years for historical information and > note that Ronald Reagan is not president any more. > > Personally, I want Elecraft around for a while. Conservative business > practices with no screeching tires at cliff's edge is just super > peachy fine by me. There is no TARP fund bailout for Elecraft. They go > down, we're back to getting our stuff from Yakencom and stuck with > what they decide for us, whether we like it or not. > > And some folks WOULD plunk now for unfirm features (and there's no big > gorilla around MAKING anyone plunk -- it's a CHOICE one makes), with > the personal SELF-assurance that if it isn't what they want, they can > come here and sell it on the reflector, fast. > > 73, Guy. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I think for the 250 I invested in a LP-PAN and sound card that will do me fine. If the price will be around the SDR-IQ I might have second thoughts. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4566658.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
What drives the price of a new product more than anything is marketing. Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 50 cents but charges $149.00. The P-3 price is being defined here on the reflector by those of us who are so enthusiastic about Elecraft; hams may be called "cheap" but have considerable discretionary spending available. The P-3 could sell for a few hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are talking about more than double that price. Companies recover their R&D investments over time, and the higher the selling price the shorter the R&D investment recovery period. How about a breather here? The $700 price being tossed around is a bit absurd in my view. Yeah, many of us can and will pay it, but its okay to talk about 3-400 dollars and Elecraft would do just fine. Offer the company double their profitable selling price and they are delighted to take it. Why not? Mail a check now? If the price is determined by what we are willing to pay, consider paying less. It is okay to pay less guys. 73. Ron -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4566779.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Quick Split Revisited - One more time
Now that I've been using the K3 for about one year I find CW DX operation to be even better with the K3. When first starting out with the K3 I'd preferred using the two VFO approach with all split operation on CW. However, now it's clear that the XIT/RIT combo buttons together with IT tuning does the best trick. It also seems that leaving the Split VFO operation exposes me to less chance of operator error thus transmitting on the DX frequency. A DX station who's working split UP or DWN 1, 2 or 5 KHz etc, can be spotted quickly by using the RIT button to check for the right transmit frequency for positioning your transmit freq by spoting last worked stations. In the CWT mode, with the RIT botton on I tap PITCH for auto zero beat and XIT tracks the receive frequency exactly. Then, with a tap on RIT it puts you back on the DX station while leaving you ready to call on the frequency where worked last. This is great for the typical CW split operation but on SSB the spread is often too great thus dual VFO Split is required. Cool method! 73 and Cheers, John, W1QS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I think the estimated $700 price is cheap. I was thinking it would be closer to $1000. There is a similar product from Yaesu, the DMU-2000 with a list price of $1400 and it does not even include the monitor which you must supply yourself. I think the street price is possibly under $1000 though. Now, we do not know how close or far apart the DMU-2000 is from the P3 but it does set at least one price point. Another price point is the LP-PAN and sound-card plus computer configuration. If you buy an external USB sound card then you are starting to get closer to the ball park area of the $700 (of course, depending on all kinds of factors that are too variable to make any close comparison). I bet though that many hams would gladly pay several hundred dollars more for the P3 to avoid the hassle of doing up their own solution using the LP-PAN approach. About Microsoft selling Windows 7 at a profit for 50 cents! Your joking of course. I have a number of good friends on the Microsoft Windows 7 product team (I live about 4 miles from the Microsoft campus) and they would beg to differ with you. They have, depending on how you measure it which is not easy, a multi-billion dollar development effort that they need to recapture by selling Windows 7. Or, look at it another way, their first several million copies of Windows 7 are still being sold at a huge loss. You can actually read their shareholders reports and find out some of the cost for developing Windows 7. As for me, I will buy the P3. Cost? It is not so high that it would be totally unreasonable I am betting. 73, phil, K7PEH On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:23 AM, KM4VX wrote: > > What drives the price of a new product more than anything is marketing. > Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 50 cents but charges $149.00. > The P-3 price is being defined here on the reflector by those of us who are > so enthusiastic about Elecraft; hams may be called "cheap" but have > considerable discretionary spending available. The P-3 could sell for a few > hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are > talking about more than double that price. Companies recover their R&D > investments over time, and the higher the selling price the shorter the R&D > investment recovery period. How about a breather here? The $700 price being > tossed around is a bit absurd in my view. Yeah, many of us can and will pay > it, but its okay to talk about 3-400 dollars and Elecraft would do just > fine. Offer the company double their profitable selling price and they are > delighted to take it. Why not? Mail a check now? If the price is determined > by what we are willing to pay, consider paying less. It is okay to pay less > guys. 73. Ron > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4566779.html > Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 'scratchy' audio pot on K2??
Thanks Don, Thats good information. With that understanding , wisdom would dictate that the AF pot be replaced with its original. I won't bother to change mine however as its working beautifully as is. It made me wonder what percentage of K2 builders have mistakenly swapped those two pots and don't even know it. :) The AF Gain pot is different than the RF Gain pot in all K2s. The AF Gain is an audio taper while the RF Gain (and the other 3 pots) are linear controls. With that swap, I would expect both the AF Gain and RF Gain controls to behave "funny". 73, Don W3FPR -- bw...@fastmail.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I was gonna go with my 50 megapixel Kodak, tripod, klieg lights, Powers models, and take you all some pictures. But it's too cotton-pickin cold here in Florida! Sorry. Monty K2DLJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Don't forget that the LP Pan allows you to run the SDR-IF software suite. To me it's like having another radio(with band stacking registers!) to compare my K3 to. When I have my K3 on, I do all the tuning around with SDF-IF. My K3's knobs are hardly ever used 73 Jeff kb2m -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:40 AM To: KM4VX Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation Another price point is the LP-PAN and sound-card plus computer configuration __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] OT: N1MM Logger
I use N1MM directly connected the my K3 and have had no keying issues. It -is- a complex program, probably because it has so many capabilities. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 and N1MM interface
I am a new K3 owner and need some help with the k3 interface with N1MM. I have got it work with a Winkey, but would also like for N1MM to keep track of my band change and Freq. I have connected it to the computer via RS323 port to USB, but keep getting a error after a few minutes connected this way. I also get an error if I only use the RS232 port for keying also. Looks like the best way is to use the Winkey, but still would like the logging program to keep track of Band and Freq. Any help would be great. Thanks John KM5PS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Jeff kb2m wrote: > > Don't forget that the LP Pan allows you to run the SDR-IF software suite. > To me it's like having another radio(with band stacking registers!) to > compare my K3 to. When I have my K3 on, I do all the tuning around with > SDF-IF. My K3's knobs are hardly ever used > > If you want an SDR then I'm sure that's the way to go. But I'm equally sure there are a lot of people who don't want the huge ugly screen hogging resource hogging PowerSDR application just to show them a graphical display of band activity. Many of those folks probably have the second receiver already. If a standalone panadaptor is what you want, LP-Pan isn't it. I'm wondering what extra functionality Elecraft could be building in to the P3. I see it can do a waterfall display so I'm wondering whether it has any features to allow digimode operation without a computer, such as Icom has in its latest rigs. Perhaps it could use some of the screen to display more of the decoded text than you can see on the K3 display? Perhaps you can plug a keyboard in to directly enter text? The K3 itself already has support for that functionality, and the P3 can access it through the serial port. Just a thought. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4566956.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] P3
Could the P3 be offered without a screen? and I hope thats a RS 232 passthrough on the back in the Orlando pictures. Without a screen( small computer screens are dirt cheap) the P3 would be a better kit and cheaper, plus no "screen vendor" problems to hold up delivery. R Thorpe AC9D __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
"What drives the price of a new product more than anything is marketing. Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 50 cents but charges $149.00. The P-3 price is being defined here on the reflector by those of us who are so enthusiastic about Elecraft;...The P-3 could sell for a few hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are talking about more than double that price." This is just plain silly. First, Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at $300. Why? Because it can. Because it has a by far dominant position in the market. Because people and corporate entities will pay for it. Because Microsoft is in the business to make money. Second, I would wager that you, like most of us, have very little factual insight into Elecraft's cost structure including: R&D, manufacturing, product marketing, distribution and order fulfillment, warranty support and on-going customer support. Further, we have no insight into what return on investment Elecraft's management and investors expect to see with each new product plan and commercial launch. Subsequently, apart from market forces (competitive products and pricing, demand, etc.) P3 pricing is going to be highly dependent upon Elecraft pricing and margin requirements far beyond "price being defined here on the reflector..." I can assure you the probability is very great that if pricing was defined by the reflector Elecraft and many other vendors would not be in business. Third, and related above, "the P3 could sell for a few hundred dollars at profit..." Don't know how you can make this claim. Further, what other panadaptors? SDR-IQ is a specialty device intended for a market far broader than "panadaptor" and the ham community and is highly dependent upon 3rd party software, PC processing, etc. Softrock and LP-Post implementations are more kit oriented also requiring additional 3rd party content. The P3, on the other hand, appears to be designed as (a) integrated with the K3 and (b) self-contained hardware implementation (sort of guessing here as no real specifics released). The only recent and maybe relative comparison would be the Yaesu DMU-2000(at $750 to $850) as an outboard, dedicated accessory (although I would wager the P3 implementation will be far superior with respect to technology platform and panadaptor functionality). Keep in mind that while Elecraft's innovation, R&D quality, manufacturing quality, etc. sets the company apart from many other vendors in our hobby, the company has to make money not only to keep its owners happy but to plow back into the business. Don't think of it as a non-profit for the ham community. Harry WE1X -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4566946.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Phil: Thanks you for your comments. You confirm everything I said about marketing. I stand by my comments about Microsoft and the marketing of the P-3. If you think the asking price is cheap then I guess that is what we will be paying, but we will pay it for the reasons I stated. I also like Elecraft, but like some of us seek value for my money with an empahsis on more value and less money. Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:40:12 -0800 From: ml-node+4566854-287279...@n2.nabble.com To: ronce...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation I think the estimated $700 price is cheap. I was thinking it would be closer to $1000. There is a similar product from Yaesu, the DMU-2000 with a list price of $1400 and it does not even include the monitor which you must supply yourself. I think the street price is possibly under $1000 though. Now, we do not know how close or far apart the DMU-2000 is from the P3 but it does set at least one price point. Another price point is the LP-PAN and sound-card plus computer configuration. If you buy an external USB sound card then you are starting to get closer to the ball park area of the $700 (of course, depending on all kinds of factors that are too variable to make any close comparison). I bet though that many hams would gladly pay several hundred dollars more for the P3 to avoid the hassle of doing up their own solution using the LP-PAN approach. About Microsoft selling Windows 7 at a profit for 50 cents! Your joking of course. I have a number of good friends on the Microsoft Windows 7 product team (I live about 4 miles from the Microsoft campus) and they would beg to differ with you. They have, depending on how you measure it which is not easy, a multi-billion dollar development effort that they need to recapture by selling Windows 7. Or, look at it another way, their first several million copies of Windows 7 are still being sold at a huge loss. You can actually read their shareholders reports and find out some of the cost for developing Windows 7. As for me, I will buy the P3. Cost? It is not so high that it would be totally unreasonable I am betting. 73, phil, K7PEH On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:23 AM, KM4VX wrote: > > What drives the price of a new product more than anything is marketing. > Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 50 cents but charges $149.00. > The P-3 price is being defined here on the reflector by those of us who are > so enthusiastic about Elecraft; hams may be called "cheap" but have > considerable discretionary spending available. The P-3 could sell for a few > hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are > talking about more than double that price. Companies recover their R&D > investments over time, and the higher the selling price the shorter the R&D > investment recovery period. How about a breather here? The $700 price being > tossed around is a bit absurd in my view. Yeah, many of us can and will pay > it, but its okay to talk about 3-400 dollars and Elecraft would do just > fine. Offer the company double their profitable selling price and they are > delighted to take it. Why not? Mail a check now? If the price is determined > by what we are willing to pay, consider paying less. It is okay to pay less > guys. 73. Ron > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4566779.html > Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4566854.html To unsubscribe from Re: Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation, click here. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4566979.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Pos
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Harry: Let's keep the exchange civil. There is nothing "silly" about my views or those you put forward. You demonstrate the success of good marketing by both Microsoft and Elecraft. I am not taking anything away from either, but this is about marketing not technology. Most of these companies are on the cutting edge, whether they are here or elsewhere. How you choose to view them is called "marketing." Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:08:14 -0800 From: ml-node+4566946-827498...@n2.nabble.com To: ronce...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation "What drives the price of a new product more than anything is marketing. Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 50 cents but charges $149.00. The P-3 price is being defined here on the reflector by those of us who are so enthusiastic about Elecraft;...The P-3 could sell for a few hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are talking about more than double that price." This is just plain silly. First, Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at $300. Why? Because it can. Because it has a by far dominant position in the market. Because people and corporate entities will pay for it. Because Microsoft is in the business to make money. Second, I would wager that you, like most of us, have very little factual insight into Elecraft's cost structure including: R&D, manufacturing, product marketing, distribution and order fulfillment, warranty support and on-going customer support. Further, we have no insight into what return on investment Elecraft's management and investors expect to see with each new product plan and commercial launch. Subsequently, apart from market forces (competitive products and pricing, demand, etc.) P3 pricing is going to be highly dependent upon Elecraft pricing and margin requirements far beyond "price being defined here on the reflector..." I can assure you the probability is very great that if pricing was defined by the reflector Elecraft and many other vendors would not be in business. Third, and related above, "the P3 could sell for a few hundred dollars at profit..." Don't know how you can make this claim. Further, what other panadaptors? SDR-IQ is a specialty device intended for a market far broader than "panadaptor" and the ham community and is highly dependent upon 3rd party software, PC processing, etc. Softrock and LP-Post implementations are more kit oriented also requiring additional 3rd party content. The P3, on the other hand, appears to be designed as (a) integrated with the K3 and (b) self-contained hardware implementation (sort of guessing here as no real specifics released). The only recent and maybe relative comparison would be the Yaesu DMU-2000(at $750 to $850) as an outboard, dedicated accessory (although I would wager the P3 implementation will be far superior with respect to technology platform and panadaptor functionality). Keep in mind that while Elecraft's innovation, R&D quality, manufacturing quality, etc. sets the company apart from many other vendors in our hobby, the company has to make money not only to keep its owners happy but to plow back into the business. Don't think of it as a non-profit for the ham community. Harry WE1X View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4566946.html To unsubscribe from Re: Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation, click here. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4567006.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] 12M is wide open
Hey gang - 12 meters is wide open to SA, EU and Africa. Stop worrying about the P3 and get on the air! Buck k4ia K3#101 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter
I disagree. I would prefer to have them take whatever time is needed to make the FINE products they are. I will wait for the quality they produce. I am an Elecraft customer BECAUSE of the products, support, and ongoing additional features that get added. My radio continues to get better long after I get it and many of the "improvements" are those WE request. I do get anxious about new product but that is because they are so open with information about them. I am one that believes this process is very advantageous to the development of some of the product features in creating the "best" possible practical product. - Original Message - From: "S Sacco" To: "Guy Olinger K2AV" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation > Guy - > > Please don't forget that Elecraft sucked in quite a few of us on the K3 by > promising wildly optimistic delivery dates. I consider that to be a > highly > questionable business practice. > > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Dave - AB7E >> wrote: >> > >> > Are the feature list and specifications now firm? And if so, what are >> they? I would have thought that anyone contemplating spending $700 for >> any >> box, even with the Elecraft name on it, would want to know what it does >> before sending off the check. >> > >> >> I should note that putting a prototype, and then later a working early >> model in front of the public for comment at some convention-style >> event, is RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. Early ham feedback at hamfests is >> essential, and it too is R&D. >> >> It's only the customers (and pent up demand) that are mistakenly >> insisting that they are slow. You want the kind of innovation and >> service they are known for, you have to wait. It's not a flaw or >> laziness, or some kind of commie plot to rob us of our toys. It's >> careful business. Good stuff at good prices is the hardest thing to >> do. What was that thing, you can have two of the three, quick, >> quality, low price? (Personally, I'm betting quality AND low price is >> at the root of the amp thing, I'll wait.) >> >> I wonder if anyone has noticed businesses going down for getting even >> close to the edge these days? Hello? The early plunk for the K3 was >> a VOLUNTARY early alternative financing scheme. Lot better than them >> being leveraged by a bank that pulls the plug on them for completely >> unrelated reasons. Any Rip Van Winkle types please check the >> financials for the last couple of years for historical information and >> note that Ronald Reagan is not president any more. >> >> Personally, I want Elecraft around for a while. Conservative business >> practices with no screeching tires at cliff's edge is just super >> peachy fine by me. There is no TARP fund bailout for Elecraft. They go >> down, we're back to getting our stuff from Yakencom and stuck with >> what they decide for us, whether we like it or not. >> >> And some folks WOULD plunk now for unfirm features (and there's no big >> gorilla around MAKING anyone plunk -- it's a CHOICE one makes), with >> the personal SELF-assurance that if it isn't what they want, they can >> come here and sell it on the reflector, fast. >> >> 73, Guy. >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
My comments actually had nothing to do with Elecraft. I never said (or even implied) that Elecraft was slow or going about this wrong. If I were them, I'd make sure that the P3 was as close to perfect as I could before I released it, and I'd preview the heck out of it to get as mich feedback as I could. It's MUCH easier to address design/manufacturing issues when the only hardware to deal with are prototypes. And in this case, I don't think the demand is going to suffer due to the wait. I also think "customer-sourced capitalization" is a great idea for Elecraft and their customers, but that isn't at all what we're talking about here ... not yet, anyway. Putting down a deposit on a piece of equipment with a reasonably firm feature list and published specs is a totally different thing than blindly ordering something before you know what it actually does. The former makes good sense to me, the latter does not. 73, Dave AB7E --Original Mail-- From: "Guy Olinger K2AV" To: "Dave - AB7E" , , Sent: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:42:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Dave - AB7E wrote: > > Are the feature list and specifications now firm? And if so, what are they? > I would have thought that anyone contemplating spending $700 for any box, > even with the Elecraft name on it, would want to know what it does before > sending off the check. > I should note that putting a prototype, and then later a working early model in front of the public for comment at some convention-style event, is RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. Early ham feedback at hamfests is essential, and it too is R&D. It's only the customers (and pent up demand) that are mistakenly insisting that they are slow. You want the kind of innovation and service they are known for, you have to wait. It's not a flaw or laziness, or some kind of commie plot to rob us of our toys. It's careful business. Good stuff at good prices is the hardest thing to do. What was that thing, you can have two of the three, quick, quality, low price? (Personally, I'm betting quality AND low price is at the root of the amp thing, I'll wait.) I wonder if anyone has noticed businesses going down for getting even close to the edge these days? Hello? The early plunk for the K3 was a VOLUNTARY early alternative financing scheme. Lot better than them being leveraged by a bank that pulls the plug on them for completely unrelated reasons. Any Rip Van Winkle types please check the financials for the last couple of years for historical information and note that Ronald Reagan is not president any more. Personally, I want Elecraft around for a while. Conservative business practices with no screeching tires at cliff's edge is just super peachy fine by me. There is no TARP fund bailout for Elecraft. They go down, we're back to getting our stuff from Yakencom and stuck with what they decide for us, whether we like it or not. And some folks WOULD plunk now for unfirm features (and there's no big gorilla around MAKING anyone plunk -- it's a CHOICE one makes), with the personal SELF-assurance that if it isn't what they want, they can come here and sell it on the reflector, fast. 73, Guy. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - ERR 12V???
I was running WPX RTTY contest using abt 80W and it had ran for over an hour with no problems. I have done it many times and the PA temp stayed around 50 All of the sudden I received the ERR 12V. I was watching the PA temp and it was staying around 45 to 49C. The rig was running 3 bars on ALC, so was not overdriving the PA. Output was abt 80W. I went into the Config menu and turned the PA off and then back on and it still does not show up in the display menu to monitor PA temp. I have power cycled the rig and power supply a number of times and no luck??? Any Suggestions? All I can get out of it is 12 W now and the PA is cool. Cold air out of the back of the rig. The Voltage from the power supply is 13.9V and I have a solid connection to the PS. I cannot even get it to display the PA temp at all now even when I go into the Config menu and make sure it is turned on. PA is set to NOR in Config menu. Thanks Craig WØLV -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-ERR-12V-tp4567085p4567085.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
So instead there are a lot of people who want to spend three times as much money on a small screen just to show them a graphical display of band activity?? Apparently so ... The advantage, in my opinion, of a more universal piece of SDR hardware (like LP-Pan or SDR-IQ) is EXACTLY that it would be able to run other software, either current like PowerSDR or CW Skimmer, or other applications that I am firmly convinced will be available in the future for things like propagation analysis, band activity analysis, quantifying signal distortion on received signals, etc. In my opinion, the P3 could have easily been designed to do offer that capability as well the other more dedicated stuff it does, but for some reason it wasn't. 73, Dave AB7E --Original Mail-- From: "Julian, G4ILO" To: Sent: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:11:34 -0800 PST Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation But I'm equally sure there are a lot of people who don't want the huge ugly screen hogging resource hogging PowerSDR application just to show them a graphical display of band activity. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Need help making K3 purchase decisions
Greetings all, This is my first submission to the Elecraft reflector. I intend to place an order for my K3 today, but I need some help making the final decisions of which options I should purchase at this time. First, let me describe my antenna setup so the experts here can hopefully offer more specific advice. I am presently using a 40-10m wire dipole (DX Engineering) elevated to about 32 feet, with an apex angle a little over 90 degrees (maybe 95). The ICOM-729 w/ 100W that I have been using the past month has gotten the signal out as far as Seattle (S9) and New York (S9) from my QTH in SoCal. I have heard from all over the country, parts of Canada, Alaska, and can get faint signals from Central/South America and the Caribbean. Also hear from Japan occasionally. So I expect this antenna to get even better when the sunspots start making a comeback in a few years. In the future (5-10 years) I will probably move to a QTH that allows a nice 100' tower, but until then, I have to make do with my dipole. I just passed my Extra license test and these are my goals for the next couple of years: - Work as many locations I can (SSB/CW/PSK31) - Learn CW and become proficient at 20-30 WPM (will be purchasing a K8RA P-4) - Full computer integration and rig control with a MicroHAM MicroKeyer II - Participate in contests (once I understand how that works) - Work towards some awards (WAS for starters) - Work DX (someday, when I can put up a tower or as band conditions allow with my dipole) Now that you know a bit about my setup and what I want to accomplish, here are the options I am considering: - K3/100 kit - KAT3 100W internal tuner (no plans to buy a bigger amplifier for awhile; want to be proficient with 100W first) - KDVR3 (Not sure if this overlaps with features offered by the MKII) -- How useful do people find this? - KFL3A-400 400Hz 8-pole filter for CW (I'm anticipating I'll want this for contests/noisy conditions) - KFL3A-2.1K 2.1 KHz 8-pole filter for SSB (I'm anticipating I'll want this for working faint signals during noisy conditions) - KFL3A-2.8K 2.8 kHz 8-pole filter for the majority of operating I'm going with 8-pole filters to make it easier to add the sub-receiver someday should I want that. My main question is whether these are the right filters for my needs. Would I be better off with 1.8 kHz instead of 2.1 kHz? I know it's subjective, but I'm just trying to be practical and not waste money. Now, I also need recommendations on a boom-mic/headset. I see a lot of people here use the Yamaha CM500. Is this totally plug and play or do you have to make any mods to get it working with the K3? Thanks for the forthcoming recommendations and opinions! -Jeff, W6EZY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Need help making K3 purchase decisions
Jeff, Your proposed K3 configuration is close to mine. I would strongly submit that you should consider the KXV3A, the transverter interface as this allows you to feed devices dependent on an IF signal as it includes an IF port. And, it is relatively cheap, less then any single filter. I do mostly CW on my K3 and I also opted for the 400 Hz 8-pole filter but I also got the 1 KHz too. I have been operating my K3 now for a little over a month and I would say that the DSP filtering on the K3 does a pretty good job too. My filters are: AM-6 KHz, 2.7 KHz (default), 1 KHz, and 400 Hz. I will probably add a 15 KHz filter when I get the 2-meter (K144XV) option. Then, I will be fully populated with my five filters. I have the KDVR3 but I have not used it yet. In fact, I was going to use it just a few days ago when a friend of mine wanted to know what he sounded like on his new mic since we had told him that it sounded like the lows were being cut out. I would have recorded his signal and played it back for him but at the time I had not even read how to use the DVR. I still need to do that. My future plans are to purchase the K144XV, the P3, and eventually the sub-receiver (KRX3). My K3 order (ordered the day before Christmas, received January 4th) options: K3/100 KAT3 KBPF3 (general coverage RX) KDVR3 KTCX03-1 TCXO KXV3A 6 MHz 8-pole filter 1 KHz 8-pole filter 400 Hz 8-pole filter I subsequently ordered the MH2 hand-microphone as I decided I would do some SSB on the K3. You will really like your K3 -- I hardly use my Icom 756 Pro III anymore. 73, phil, K7PEH K3 #3799 On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Jeff Hall, W6EZY wrote: > Greetings all, > > This is my first submission to the Elecraft reflector. I intend to place an > order for my K3 today, but I need some help making the final decisions of > which options I should purchase at this time. First, let me describe my > antenna setup so the experts here can hopefully offer more specific advice. > > I am presently using a 40-10m wire dipole (DX Engineering) elevated to about > 32 feet, with an apex angle a little over 90 degrees (maybe 95). The > ICOM-729 w/ 100W that I have been using the past month has gotten the signal > out as far as Seattle (S9) and New York (S9) from my QTH in SoCal. I have > heard from all over the country, parts of Canada, Alaska, and can get faint > signals from Central/South America and the Caribbean. Also hear from Japan > occasionally. So I expect this antenna to get even better when the sunspots > start making a comeback in a few years. In the future (5-10 years) I will > probably move to a QTH that allows a nice 100' tower, but until then, I have > to make do with my dipole. > > I just passed my Extra license test and these are my goals for the next > couple of years: > > - Work as many locations I can (SSB/CW/PSK31) > - Learn CW and become proficient at 20-30 WPM (will be purchasing a K8RA > P-4) > - Full computer integration and rig control with a MicroHAM MicroKeyer II > - Participate in contests (once I understand how that works) > - Work towards some awards (WAS for starters) > - Work DX (someday, when I can put up a tower or as band conditions allow > with my dipole) > > Now that you know a bit about my setup and what I want to accomplish, here > are the options I am considering: > > - K3/100 kit > - KAT3 100W internal tuner (no plans to buy a bigger amplifier for awhile; > want to be proficient with 100W first) > - KDVR3 (Not sure if this overlaps with features offered by the MKII) -- How > useful do people find this? > - KFL3A-400 400Hz 8-pole filter for CW (I'm anticipating I'll want this for > contests/noisy conditions) > - KFL3A-2.1K 2.1 KHz 8-pole filter for SSB (I'm anticipating I'll want this > for working faint signals during noisy conditions) > - KFL3A-2.8K 2.8 kHz 8-pole filter for the majority of operating > > I'm going with 8-pole filters to make it easier to add the sub-receiver > someday should I want that. My main question is whether these are the right > filters for my needs. Would I be better off with 1.8 kHz instead of 2.1 > kHz? I know it's subjective, but I'm just trying to be practical and not > waste money. > > Now, I also need recommendations on a boom-mic/headset. I see a lot of > people here use the Yamaha CM500. Is this totally plug and play or do you > have to make any mods to get it working with the K3? > > Thanks for the forthcoming recommendations and opinions! > > -Jeff, W6EZY > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecr
Re: [Elecraft] K2 finished
Ok thanks Don. I ran through all the bands at about 10w and the current draw and output was pretty consistent everywhere, 2.2 to 2.4 amps draw. My power supply is a 12ah battery and it pulls down about a volt at max power which like you said will result in higher current draw. So looks like its normal to me at this point. Went ahead and did the final assy., so it's all done and buttoned up. I just need a proper ant. now ;) Before that tho I redid the 4mhz calibration, but just did the procedure in the manual to start with. Luckily I was getting WWVH audibly on 10mhz this am and zero-beated by using my 706 on WWVH on AM. I tuned the K2 until they both sounded as close to the same as I could get. Adjusted C22 as directed and redid CAL PLL and the filters. WWVH zero-beated now reads 1.04mhz or thereabouts which I figure is close enough for me. Sure enough, the reports of the receiver being outstanding are totally true. Strong sigs can be right nearby and I don't know they're there until I tune onto them. With my 706MKIIG, even S7 sigs blow through the 500hz filter like butter so I'm used to all kinds of intermod and noise. Seems all gone now with the K2! Now having gone through it, I'd say it's not such a bad kit even for a first time kit builder like I am (was). It's so well laid out and clear that you can only make mistakes if you go too fast (like I was doing last night hi). I will also vouch for having the right tools, the good iron, small solder and small flush cutting wire cutters were the most essential tools for the whole thing. It just doesn't give you any problems if you do it according to the instructions. Maybe a little bit of a letdown as I was sort of expecting it to be harder, but it really wasn't. Anyway, have to wire up my bencher and put up a better wire now so I can get on the air with it! Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K2-finished-tp4566224p4567333.html Sent from the [K2] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Considering that the P3 is a self-contained unit, $700 seems to be a reasonable price. There is a lot more to it, then just an LP-Pan and soundcard. For someone that doesn't want to deal with computer interfacing, it is great. At the same time, it has limitations. After using CW Skimmer, I don't know how I lived without it. PowerSDR is also a lot of fun. The best of both worlds would be a P3 with a usb port where the PC saw the P3 as a soundcard. Then you could feed PowerSDR and everything else on the PC, or use the P3 by itself. As it stands, I really don't need a P3, but if I worked a lot of portable, I would want one. I think they will sell quite a few P3s. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4567354.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ERR 12V???
Craig, Did you do as suggested in the manual list of error messages? Check the circuit breaker first. 73, Don W3FPR Craig WØLV wrote: > I was running WPX RTTY contest using abt 80W and it had ran for over an hour > with no problems. I have done it many times and the PA temp stayed around > 50 All of the sudden I received the ERR 12V. I was watching the PA > temp and it was staying around 45 to 49C. The rig was running 3 bars on > ALC, so was not overdriving the PA. Output was abt 80W. > > I went into the Config menu and turned the PA off and then back on and it > still does not show up in the display menu to monitor PA temp. I have power > cycled the rig and power supply a number of times and no luck??? > > Any Suggestions? All I can get out of it is 12 W now and the PA is cool. > Cold air out of the back of the rig. The Voltage from the power supply is > 13.9V and I have a solid connection to the PS. I cannot even get it to > display the PA temp at all now even when I go into the Config menu and make > sure it is turned on. PA is set to NOR in Config menu. > > Thanks > Craig WØLV > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2685 - Release Date: 02/13/10 > 03:43:00 > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and N1MM interface
KM5PS wrote: > I am a new K3 owner and need some help with the k3 interface with N1MM. I > have got it work with a Winkey, but would also like for N1MM to keep track > of my band change and Freq. I have connected it to the computer via RS323 > port to USB, but keep getting a error after a few minutes connected this > way. I also get an error if I only use the RS232 port for keying also. > Looks like the best way is to use the Winkey, but still would like the > logging program to keep track of Band and Freq. Any help would be great. John, If you take CW keying out of the picture, do you have basic radio control? If you set DTR and RTS on your radio control port both to "Always Off", does the program reliably read the frequency and mode from the radio? Note that some USB-to-serial adapters seem to have difficulty with low speeds; this may seem counter-intuitive, but you may be better off using the highest speed available (38400 bps). If you are trying to use CW keying on the same port as radio control, with the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to OFF-DTR, the first thing you need to know is that N1MM Logger does not fully support this capability, even using a true serial port. This configuration may work for you, but there are some aspects of the Logger's CW keying that are not guaranteed to work reliably in this configuration, such as using the ESC key to interrupt a message in progress. The second thing you need to know is that there is an incompatibility between the driver for USB-to-serial adapters using the Prolific chipset (like the KUSB) and the VB6 library used in the N1MM Logger software. This can manifest itself in various ways, some immediately obvious (e.g. an immediate catastrophic software crash) and some more subtle (e.g. an insidious gradual loss of sync between the radio and the software). Your best approach with N1MM Logger is to use two separate serial ports, one strictly for radio control, with DTR and RTS both set to Always Off and CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF, and the second port for CW and PTT keying. The best solution for the second port is a Winkey USB, but there are several other possibilities. One other caution: The K3 offers many different ways to control PTT (TX/RX switching). You should not use two methods in parallel. In particular, do not use a software command and hardware keying in parallel. Using both software command and hardware keying in parallel can sometimes lead to a "race condition" in which the radio does not switch from TX back to RX. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole
The Buddipole includes a short bead balun, but it's a bit weenie. I suspect it's designed to allow the coax to be a radial at the lower frequencies, but I'd have thought it would do better at 20 meters. (I've not had this problem by the way.) Wrapping 8 turns through a big #31 or #77 toroidal core a few feet away from the rig will still let it be part of the ground system but will keep the RF away from the rig. You might also consider the Buddipole RRSB balun, which offers step-down impedance settings. (Elecraft sells fine baluns for 1:1 and step-up, but they don't have a step-down balun.) Electrically short antennas have lower than 50 ohm impedance at resonance, so impedance matching at the antenna to get closer to 50R is helpful, even if you make the antenna resonant (X=0). Such a balun then serve two purposes, and would be especially useful for the lower bands, when using a vertical and a couple of elevated radials for your ground. Leigh/WA5ZNU -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Buddipole-tp4565626p4567469.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ERR 12V???
Hey Don Thanks for the input. The rig will poser on and only TX at 12W. Is there a seperate breaker for th ePA? Craig -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-ERR-12V-tp4567085p4567565.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I would beg to differ. As a past owner of an FT-2000d with the DMU-2000 "pan adapter" I have to say 1 - that pan adapter was FAR MORE than what Elecraft has described the P3 would do. It was a logging system, it was a rotor control with world map, it was an AF scope, it was also a pan adapter among other things. Plus, you could use it on ANY size screen. Sure, there were features that needed serious refinement.. but when I purchased mine BRAND NEW it was still only $650 "on sale". Of course that "sale" never seemed to end, but when it did go away for a little bit, the price never went higher than 700 or 775 dollars. In my personal opinion, for Elecraft to charge more than $700 (if that) for a pan adapter that does only one or at best 2 functions is outrageous. I would have thought that $500 to $650 would be the TOP number they would be targeting. I don't know about you, but I'm not made out of money, and to even consider plunking down $1000 for a simple pan adapter is an absolute JOKE. Yes, I will most likely purchase the P3 pan adapter, but I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that Elecraft understands that even if I have to purchase a $80-$150 LCD monitor, ALL of their competition is priced below that ridiculous mark others have talked about. LP-PAN kit = $176.75USD LP-PAN assembled = $227.25USD Software: FREE 1) Manufacturer: YAESU Item : DMU-2000 Description : DATA MANAGEMENT UNIT FT-2000/950/5000 SERIES $869.95 Coupon: $80.00 YOUR HRO PRICE $789.95 Gigaparts: YAESU DMU-2000 Data Management Unit for FT-2000 Discounts included in price: $80.00 instant rebate expires 03/31/2010. Regular: $849.00 Discounts: -$80.00 Net Price: $769.00 And on and on and on Like I said, $500 to $650 is a FAIR price. $700 is PUSHING it. Just my opinion, you don't need to agree with it. > From: k7...@comcast.net > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:39:50 -0800 > To: ronce...@earthlink.net > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation > > I think the estimated $700 price is cheap. I was thinking it would be > closer to $1000. There is a similar product from Yaesu, the DMU-2000 > with a list price of $1400 and it does not even include the monitor which > you must supply yourself. I think the street price is possibly under $1000 > though. > > Now, we do not know how close or far apart the DMU-2000 is from the > P3 but it does set at least one price point. Another price point is the > LP-PAN and sound-card plus computer configuration. If you buy an > external USB sound card then you are starting to get closer to the ball > park area of the $700 (of course, depending on all kinds of factors that > are too variable to make any close comparison). I bet though that many > hams would gladly pay several hundred dollars more for the P3 to avoid > the hassle of doing up their own solution using the LP-PAN approach. > > About Microsoft selling Windows 7 at a profit for 50 cents! Your joking > of course. I have a number of good friends on the Microsoft Windows > 7 product team (I live about 4 miles from the Microsoft campus) and > they would beg to differ with you. They have, depending on how you > measure it which is not easy, a multi-billion dollar development effort > that they need to recapture by selling Windows 7. Or, look at it another > way, their first several million copies of Windows 7 are still being sold > at a huge loss. You can actually read their shareholders reports and > find out some of the cost for developing Windows 7. > > As for me, I will buy the P3. Cost? It is not so high that it would be > totally unreasonable I am betting. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:23 AM, KM4VX wrote: > > > > > What drives the price of a new product more than anything is marketing. > > Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 50 cents but charges $149.00. > > The P-3 price is being defined here on the reflector by those of us who are > > so enthusiastic about Elecraft; hams may be called "cheap" but have > > considerable discretionary spending available. The P-3 could sell for a few > > hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are > > talking about more than double that price. Companies recover their R&D > > investments over time, and the higher the selling price the shorter the R&D > > investment recovery period. How about a breather here? The $700 price being > > tossed around is a bit absurd in my view. Yeah, many of us can and will pay > > it, but its okay to talk about 3-400 dollars and Elecraft would do just > > fine. Offer the company double their profitable selling price and they are > > delighted to take it. Why not? Mail a check now? If the price is determined > > by what we are willing to pay, consider paying less. It is okay to pay less > > guys. 73. Ron > > -- > > View this message in con
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
By way of comparison, $700 would buy the following PC and monitor at Costco: Processor & Memory: Intel® Core 2 Quad Processor Q8300 (2.5GHz) 4MB L2 cache 1333MHz Front Side Bus 6GB DDR3 1066MHz SDRAM memory (4 Dimms) Drives: 640GB (7,200RPM) SATA 3Gb/s hard drive LightScribe 16x max DVD±R/RW drive Graphics & Video: Integrated Intel X4500 Graphics HP 2009m Wide Movado LCD Monitor Communications: Integrated 10/100/1000 Ethernet LAN Audio: Integrated 7.1 channel capable sound w/ front audio ports Keyboard & Mouse: Amalthea wired USB keyboard Portia wired USB mouse Expandability (Total Slots): Total memory slots: 4 DIMMS 1x PCIe x16 3x PCIe x1 Ports: Front headphone and mic ports 6 x USB 2.0 ports (2 Front, 4 Back) Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) Additional Software: Microsoft® Works 9.0 Additional Information: CPU Dimensions: 16.85" L x 6.97" W x 15.32" H Power Supply: 300W Just something to think about. Personally, I feel $700 is too much. 73, Steve NN4X __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and N1MM interface
Not all USB-serial converters are created alike. More info at the N1MM wiki here: http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Interface+Devices&structure=N1MM+Logger+References+and+Appendices The one referenced in note 5 looks good at $15. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -- From: "John McBee" Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:39 AM To: Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and N1MM interface > I am a new K3 owner and need some help with the k3 interface > with N1MM. I > have got it work with a Winkey, but would also like for N1MM to > keep track > of my band change and Freq. I have connected it to the > computer via RS323 > port to USB, but keep getting a error after a few minutes > connected this > way. I also get an error if I only use the RS232 port for > keying also. > Looks like the best way is to use the Winkey, but still would > like the > logging program to keep track of Band and Freq. Any help would > be great. > > > > Thanks > > John > > KM5PS > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
On 2/13/10 8:23 AM, KM4VX wrote: > > The P-3 could sell for a few > hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are > talking about more than double that price. Companies recover their R&D > investments over time, and the higher the selling price the shorter the R&D > investment recovery period. How about a breather here? The $700 price being > tossed around is a bit absurd in my view. Keep in mind that the P3 is completely standalone -- you don't need to add a computer or a display as you do with the other options. You may or may not think that's a good thing, but it accounts for the price difference. I've talked to the Elecraft people about pricing on occasion and they very definitely do NOT charge what the market will bear, but rather base their prices on a reasonable markup over the cost. -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ERR 12V???
Craig, Yes, on the back near the fans. See page 4 of the K2 Owner's Manual - the identifier labeled "38" in that diagram. 73, Don W3FPR Craig WØLV wrote: > Hey Don > > Thanks for the input. The rig will poser on and only TX at 12W. Is there a > seperate breaker for th ePA? > > Craig > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
> Don't forget that the LP Pan allows you to run the SDR-IF > software suite. Why would you brag about bringing the worst part of the Flex-radio to the K3? PowerSDR is the worst interface in the world for a radio ... the FFT delays make the K3 monitor sound instantaneous. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jeff KB2M > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:56 AM > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando > Hamcation > > > Don't forget that the LP Pan allows you to run the SDR-IF > software suite. To me it's like having another radio(with > band stacking registers!) to compare my K3 to. When I have my > K3 on, I do all the tuning around with SDF-IF. My K3's knobs > are hardly ever used > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:40 AM > To: KM4VX > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando > Hamcation > > Another price point is the LP-PAN and sound-card plus > computer configuration > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement
Hi gang, The weekly Elecraft SSB net will be held Sunday, February 14, 2010 at 1800Z on or about 14.314MHz. I will be net control from Oregon. See you there. 73, Phil, NS7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
> LP-PAN kit = $176.75USD > LP-PAN assembled = $227.25USD LP-Pan is not "complete" ... it also requires a high end soundcard, computer and monitor to provide up to 180 KHz span. The P3 needs no additional hardware to provide 200 KHz span. The Yaesu DMU-2000 only puts a graphical interface on the rotor control that is already present in the FT-2000 ... not a usable control unless you happen to be using a Yaesu rotor with the SDA interface. The P3 is closest to the SDR-IQ but includes a larger case (more $$), display and additional processor for control. I'd say the P3's price is justified in comparison to the $525 (plus computer) list price of the SDR-IQ. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of The Smiths > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:44 PM > To: k7...@comcast.net; Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando > Hamcation > > > > I would beg to differ. As a past owner of an FT-2000d with > the DMU-2000 "pan adapter" I have to say 1 - that pan adapter > was FAR MORE than what Elecraft has described the P3 would > do. It was a logging system, it was a rotor control with > world map, it was an AF scope, it was also a pan adapter > among other things. Plus, you could use it on ANY size screen. > > Sure, there were features that needed serious refinement.. > but when I purchased mine BRAND NEW it was still only $650 > "on sale". Of course that "sale" never seemed to end, but > when it did go away for a little bit, the price never went > higher than 700 or 775 dollars. > > > > In my personal opinion, for Elecraft to charge more than $700 > (if that) for a pan adapter that does only one or at best 2 > functions is outrageous. I would have thought that $500 to > $650 would be the TOP number they would be targeting. > > I don't know about you, but I'm not made out of money, and to > even consider plunking down $1000 for a simple pan adapter is > an absolute JOKE. > > > > Yes, I will most likely purchase the P3 pan adapter, but I'll > be keeping my fingers crossed that Elecraft understands that > even if I have to purchase a $80-$150 LCD monitor, ALL of > their competition is priced below that ridiculous mark others > have talked about. > > > LP-PAN kit = $176.75USD > LP-PAN assembled = $227.25USD > > Software: FREE > > 1) Manufacturer: YAESU > Item : DMU-2000 > Description : DATA MANAGEMENT UNIT FT-2000/950/5000 SERIES > $869.95 > Coupon: $80.00 > YOUR HRO PRICE $789.95 > > > > Gigaparts: > > > > > > > > > > > YAESU DMU-2000 > Data Management Unit for FT-2000 > > > > > > > > > Discounts included in price: $80.00 instant rebate expires > 03/31/2010. > > > > > > > > > > > Regular: > > $849.00 > > > > Discounts: > > -$80.00 > > > > > > > > > > Net Price: > > $769.00 > > > > And on and on and on Like I said, $500 to $650 is a FAIR > price. $700 is PUSHING it. Just my opinion, you don't need > to agree with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: k7...@comcast.net > > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:39:50 -0800 > > To: ronce...@earthlink.net > > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando > > Hamcation > > > > I think the estimated $700 price is cheap. I was thinking > it would be > > closer to $1000. There is a similar product from Yaesu, the DMU-2000 > > with a list price of $1400 and it does not even include the > monitor which > > you must supply yourself. I think the street price is > possibly under $1000 > > though. > > > > Now, we do not know how close or far apart the DMU-2000 is from the > > P3 but it does set at least one price point. Another price > point is the > > LP-PAN and sound-card plus computer configuration. If you buy an > > external USB sound card then you are starting to get closer > to the ball > > park area of the $700 (of course, depending on all kinds of > factors that > > are too variable to make any close comparison). I bet > though that many > > hams would gladly pay several hundred dollars more for the > P3 to avoid > > the hassle of doing up their own solution using the LP-PAN approach. > > > > About Microsoft selling Windows 7 at a profit for 50 cents! Your > > joking of course. I have a number of good friends on the Microsoft > > Windows 7 product team (I live about 4 miles from the Microsoft > > campus) and they would beg to differ with you. They have, > depending on > > how you measure it which is not easy, a multi-billion dollar > > development effort that they need to recapture by selling > Windows 7. > > Or, look at it another way, their first several million copies of > > Windows 7 are still being sold at a huge loss. You can > actually read > > their shareholders reports and find out some of the
Re: [Elecraft] Need help making K3 purchase decisions
Welcome to the Reflector Jeff! The K3 will work with almost any microphone or headset, you will benefit from trying a few cheap ones before splashing out. Depending on your voice you will probably find the ordinary computer headsets work great. Hook up another receiver to your computer and transmit into a 50 Ohm load with your K3 and make a few test recordings and hear the results for yourself. My favourite headset is a cheap Labtec Axis 302 with the electret insert replaced by a Heil HC5 insert, which in turn is covered by a sponge windshield. However, it's only marginally better than the original electret insert with my voice. I wired it to fit the front panel 8 pin socket for convenience. For a fist microphone, the Kenwood MC-43S is low cost and works without modification (and sounds good too). Computer integration and rig control is built into the K3, it doesn't need any additional interface. Programs such as Ham Radio Deluxe will directly control a K3 via the serial lead doing the transmit/receive control via a serial command. The line in/out of the K3 connects directly to a computer sound card line in/out, a pair of stereo 3.5mm leads from an electronics store are all you need (the line in is mono, but a stereo cable works just fine). You can route the receive signal via a KXV3 to an external receiver with a home made ferrite splitter, if you are going to use just a pan adapter, such as LP-Pan, it's not really necessary to use the transverter interface to have the IF presented on the rear panel, a single hole BNC socket will fit the blanking panel and just needs a single coax to the underside of the main RF board (the KXV3 has a direct connection between the IF out socket and the main RF board). I have the general coverage board and a 6 KHz filter, I hardly use either so they were a bit of a waste of money for me. The image rejection of the K3 receiver is up to 10 dB worse when operating outside the ham bands (when using the general coverage board), which may or may not be an issue for yourself. Happy shopping! 73 Dave, G4AON http://www.astromag.co.uk/k3/ - This is my first submission to the Elecraft reflector. I intend to place an order for my K3 today, but I need some help making the final decisions of which options I should purchase at this time. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] P3 Photo taken at Orlando
I have a good photo of the P3 taken early this morning but have no site to post. I will be glad to forward it to someone who can post it to a link for all to see. Eric was quite familiar with the buttons and knobs. 73 Jack, W3TMZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Dave - AB7E wrote: > > The advantage, in my opinion, of a more universal piece of SDR hardware > (like LP-Pan or SDR-IQ) is EXACTLY that it would be able to run other > software, either current like PowerSDR or CW Skimmer, or other > applications that I am firmly convinced will be available in the future > for things like propagation analysis, band activity analysis, quantifying > signal distortion on received signals, etc. In my opinion, the P3 could > have easily been designed to do offer that capability as well the other > more dedicated stuff it does, but for some reason it wasn't. > But there is no real advantage in Elecraft bringing out a "me too" version of the LP-Pan or SDR-IQ. By making the P3 a standalone product they are providing an alternative that is likely to be appealing for the same reasons people chose a K3 over a Flex Radio. I do agree it could be useful to bring out the I/Q signals from the panadapter so they could be used by external software but for all any of us knows it may have that capability. If it doesn't then now is the opportunity to let Elecraft know that it should have it. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4568102.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
The Smiths wrote: > > In my personal opinion, for Elecraft to charge more than $700 (if that) > for a pan adapter that does only one or at best 2 functions is outrageous. > I would have thought that $500 to $650 would be the TOP number they would > be targeting. > > Yes, I will most likely purchase the P3 pan adapter > So $50 is the difference between acceptable and outrageous? Anyone who thinks it is too expensive doesn't have to buy it. No doubt there will be plenty of used LP-PANs for sale when the P3 actually comes out. As far as I am concerned all ham radio purchases are luxuries anyway so just like buying my K3 it's only a question of do I want it and can I afford it. If I do and I can then I'll buy it, if I don't or I can't then I won't. I'll save the value comparisons for things I *have* to buy whether I want to or not like a new fridge or washing machine. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4568146.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 and LoTW
Not a problem here -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Windows-7-and-LoTW-tp4121394p4568163.html Sent from the [HAM] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Fair enough, you make a good point, $50 is a little close.. So I would say that $525 to $600 should be the top number. I'll take the extra $100 you want to over pay and use it to help buy me another Begali or GHD Key! :) (let's not even get into those numbers!) > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:50:15 -0800 > From: julian.g4...@gmail.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation > > > > The Smiths wrote: > > > > In my personal opinion, for Elecraft to charge more than $700 (if that) > > for a pan adapter that does only one or at best 2 functions is outrageous. > > I would have thought that $500 to $650 would be the TOP number they would > > be targeting. > > > > Yes, I will most likely purchase the P3 pan adapter > > > So $50 is the difference between acceptable and outrageous? Anyone who > thinks it is too expensive doesn't have to buy it. No doubt there will be > plenty of used LP-PANs for sale when the P3 actually comes out. > > As far as I am concerned all ham radio purchases are luxuries anyway so just > like buying my K3 it's only a question of do I want it and can I afford it. > If I do and I can then I'll buy it, if I don't or I can't then I won't. I'll > save the value comparisons for things I *have* to buy whether I want to or > not like a new fridge or washing machine. > > - > Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. > * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com > * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html > * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4568146.html > Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I understand that there is a need for a reasonable mark up, and I understand that there's also a need to pay for the R&D. However, some times you have to decide if your product is worth producing based on the amount of sales that it will generate. And not by way of how can you pay all of your R&D back in a matter of the most minimal time. Not thinking about how many of these units they will potentially sell as time progresses. If this is all that the P3 is about, than they need to re-consider selling it. Or anything that they make and sell for a price that seems to be $100 to $175 off market. (This assuming that the price IS going to be $700 plus) I would rather know that I can buy a VERY nice home computer, with monitor, and then install the FREE software with a $250 interface box and then be able to not only run the Pan adapter program, but all of my accounting, my Internet browsing and thousands of other things on that same very computer for the same price as a single operation device. Yes, the stand alone box is very nice indeed, but it's not as if I'm going to be saving anything that a nice laptop computer can't give me in the same amount of space. Even if I go Portable, with a laptop I don't have to worry about powering a second device, nor do I have to worry about the logging, because it's already incorporated in the same device, along with everything that HRD or any other control software can do with the K3 also... I know that none of my posts are going to change the price of the P3 right before it's released. That's obvious by the same way it appears they didn't listen to some of us when we requested a Mouse, Keyboard and perhaps even VGA output on the box as well. But someone has to be outspoken and say something about the pricing on this device. This isn't a personal attack on anyone, or the company. This is just a way of expressing my opinion based on other Pan adapters that I have purchased in the past. > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:39:41 -0800 > From: v...@rakefet.com > To: ronce...@earthlink.net > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation > > On 2/13/10 8:23 AM, KM4VX wrote: > > > > The P-3 could sell for a few > > hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are > > talking about more than double that price. Companies recover their R&D > > investments over time, and the higher the selling price the shorter the R&D > > investment recovery period. How about a breather here? The $700 price being > > tossed around is a bit absurd in my view. > > Keep in mind that the P3 is completely standalone -- you don't need to > add a computer or a display as you do with the other options. You may or > may not think that's a good thing, but it accounts for the price difference. > > I've talked to the Elecraft people about pricing on occasion and they > very definitely do NOT charge what the market will bear, but rather base > their prices on a reasonable markup over the cost. > -- > Vic, K2VCO > Fresno CA > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Photo taken at Orlando
See Jack's photo at: http://www.ww2pt.com/2010/02/elecraft-p3-panadapter-at-orlando.html 73 de WW2PT On Feb 13, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Jack Colson wrote: > I have a good photo of the P3 taken early this morning but have no > site > to post. I will be glad to forward it to someone who can post it to a > link for all to see. Eric was quite familiar with the buttons and > knobs. > 73 > Jack, W3TMZ > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
There are indeed less expensive ways to display the frequency spectrum on your PC screen, including the LP-pan which has received well-deserved praise and acceptance. But many people prefer a self-contained solution, which will be provided by the P3. What is an acceptable price for this is a very individual judgment. What has not been pointed out in the recent flurry of discussion, however, is that the P3 will be more than just a panadapter display. It will provide some additional functions for the K3 which will improve the user ergonomics. Neither I nor any of us outsiders know the extent of this added functionality, but no doubt extra labeled function macro keys at a minimum. I'm inclined to place an order at the official announcement date and then evaluate the new features and user comments prior to the ship date. I expect that the P3 will be a continuously evolving product just like the K3 is. 73 Craig AC0DS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Photo taken at Orlando
14.62.8..? 73, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
One interesting feature Wayne showed was the ability to line up vertical line with a spot on the display, tap the knob (the lower right hand one), and it would QSY the rig there. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Craig D. Smith wrote: > There are indeed less expensive ways to display the frequency spectrum on > your PC screen, including the LP-pan which has received well-deserved praise > and acceptance. But many people prefer a self-contained solution, which > will be provided by the P3. What is an acceptable price for this is a very > individual judgment. What has not been pointed out in the recent flurry of > discussion, however, is that the P3 will be more than just a panadapter > display. It will provide some additional functions for the K3 which will > improve the user ergonomics. Neither I nor any of us outsiders know the > extent of this added functionality, but no doubt extra labeled function > macro keys at a minimum. I'm inclined to place an order at the official > announcement date and then evaluate the new features and user comments prior > to the ship date. I expect that the P3 will be a continuously evolving > product just like the K3 is. > > 73 Craig AC0DS > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
All of that equipment was made by teams of Chinese people who are paid very poorly and aren't treated all that well either. The P3 is a labor of love put together by a select few engineers. Its probably built by people in California with health coverage, life insurance, and a decent living wage... Not to mention that Elecraft provides excellent support beyond that of the sale! You're not going to get that from the company that made that computer. You're not going to be informed of hardware modifications and upgrades that will improve your system with well done step by step documentation written up on how to perform the mods. Not to mention that they'll even kit the parts to you if you can't find them on your own. You get more than just the hardware for your 700 bucks! Just something to think about! Personally I see it as a little high but still yet very fair! ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 16:00 -0500, S Sacco wrote: > By way of comparison, $700 would buy the following PC and monitor at Costco: > > Processor & Memory: > > Intel® Core 2 Quad Processor Q8300 (2.5GHz) > 4MB L2 cache > 1333MHz Front Side Bus > 6GB DDR3 1066MHz SDRAM memory (4 Dimms) > > Drives: > > 640GB (7,200RPM) SATA 3Gb/s hard drive > LightScribe 16x max DVD±R/RW drive > > Graphics & Video: > > Integrated Intel X4500 Graphics > HP 2009m Wide Movado LCD Monitor > > Communications: > > Integrated 10/100/1000 Ethernet LAN > > Audio: > > Integrated 7.1 channel capable sound w/ front audio ports > > Keyboard & Mouse: > > Amalthea wired USB keyboard > Portia wired USB mouse > > Expandability (Total Slots): > > Total memory slots: 4 DIMMS > 1x PCIe x16 > 3x PCIe x1 > > Ports: > > Front headphone and mic ports > 6 x USB 2.0 ports (2 Front, 4 Back) > > Operating System: > > Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) > > Additional Software: > > Microsoft® Works 9.0 > > Additional Information: > > CPU Dimensions: 16.85" L x 6.97" W x 15.32" H > Power Supply: 300W > > Just something to think about. Personally, I feel $700 is too much. > > 73, > Steve > NN4X > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I also would like to see the config menu blow out to the P3 if you have it... So you open the config menu an then you get to see all the parameters and their current values displayed over on the larger LCD. Then you can scroll to the one you want to change and turn the other knob to change its value. But it would be nice to get a snapshot of things all at once rather than individually scrolling through them one by one. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 09:11 -0800, Julian, G4ILO wrote: > > Jeff kb2m wrote: > > > > Don't forget that the LP Pan allows you to run the SDR-IF software suite. > > To me it's like having another radio(with band stacking registers!) to > > compare my K3 to. When I have my K3 on, I do all the tuning around with > > SDF-IF. My K3's knobs are hardly ever used > > > > > If you want an SDR then I'm sure that's the way to go. But I'm equally sure > there are a lot of people who don't want the huge ugly screen hogging > resource hogging PowerSDR application just to show them a graphical display > of band activity. Many of those folks probably have the second receiver > already. If a standalone panadaptor is what you want, LP-Pan isn't it. > > I'm wondering what extra functionality Elecraft could be building in to the > P3. I see it can do a waterfall display so I'm wondering whether it has any > features to allow digimode operation without a computer, such as Icom has in > its latest rigs. Perhaps it could use some of the screen to display more of > the decoded text than you can see on the K3 display? Perhaps you can plug a > keyboard in to directly enter text? The K3 itself already has support for > that functionality, and the P3 can access it through the serial port. > > Just a thought. > > - > Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. > * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com > * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html > * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Considering K3
HI all , I am considering to buy a new radio and I am between the K3 and the IC 7600, I have read very good things about K3, although I don't know anybody near me that have one, so I would like to hear comments in why to go for the K3 and if someone live near Ogden UT that would like to shoe me their K3 would be awesome. TNX EMILSE KE7EOZ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
It wouldn't be inconceivable that the CW Skimmer functionality could be implemented into the P3. They already have CW decode in the K3... All they have do to is detect the signals and feed them into the same algorithm. Then if you want just detect whats after the "de"'s and display calls only if you want.. ~Brett On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 11:15 -0800, Bob - W0GI wrote: > Considering that the P3 is a self-contained unit, $700 seems to be a > reasonable price. There is a lot more to it, then just an LP-Pan and > soundcard. > > For someone that doesn't want to deal with computer interfacing, it is > great. At the same time, it has limitations. After using CW Skimmer, I > don't know how I lived without it. PowerSDR is also a lot of fun. > > The best of both worlds would be a P3 with a usb port where the PC saw the > P3 as a soundcard. Then you could feed PowerSDR and everything else on the > PC, or use the P3 by itself. > > As it stands, I really don't need a P3, but if I worked a lot of portable, I > would want one. > > I think they will sell quite a few P3s. > > > > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
The P3 looks and appears to act much like the excellent screen which is integrated into my IC 756 PRO 3. Since we like the K3 so much Elecraft decided to compete with a separate panadapter like the P3, rather than a K4. I think the LP-PAN kit for $175.00, with free software connected to a computer that anyone who wants a panadapter has anyway, represents a much better investment for me. I can run all sorts of software with the LP-PAN. The P3 is just the scope addition to the 756 in its own box. I don't think the P3 market is there except as we are now marketing it. This is a sophisticated and tech savvy group; maybe just too loose with its cash Of course I will be proven wrong, which is okay because I wish the company all the best. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4568597.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
They would have refunded your money if you wanted to back out you weren't sucked into anything. ~Brett On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 11:08 -0500, S Sacco wrote: > Guy - > > Please don't forget that Elecraft sucked in quite a few of us on the K3 by > promising wildly optimistic delivery dates. I consider that to be a highly > questionable business practice. > > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Dave - AB7E > > wrote: > > > > > > Are the feature list and specifications now firm? And if so, what are > > they? I would have thought that anyone contemplating spending $700 for any > > box, even with the Elecraft name on it, would want to know what it does > > before sending off the check. > > > > > > > I should note that putting a prototype, and then later a working early > > model in front of the public for comment at some convention-style > > event, is RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. Early ham feedback at hamfests is > > essential, and it too is R&D. > > > > It's only the customers (and pent up demand) that are mistakenly > > insisting that they are slow. You want the kind of innovation and > > service they are known for, you have to wait. It's not a flaw or > > laziness, or some kind of commie plot to rob us of our toys. It's > > careful business. Good stuff at good prices is the hardest thing to > > do. What was that thing, you can have two of the three, quick, > > quality, low price? (Personally, I'm betting quality AND low price is > > at the root of the amp thing, I'll wait.) > > > > I wonder if anyone has noticed businesses going down for getting even > > close to the edge these days? Hello? The early plunk for the K3 was > > a VOLUNTARY early alternative financing scheme. Lot better than them > > being leveraged by a bank that pulls the plug on them for completely > > unrelated reasons. Any Rip Van Winkle types please check the > > financials for the last couple of years for historical information and > > note that Ronald Reagan is not president any more. > > > > Personally, I want Elecraft around for a while. Conservative business > > practices with no screeching tires at cliff's edge is just super > > peachy fine by me. There is no TARP fund bailout for Elecraft. They go > > down, we're back to getting our stuff from Yakencom and stuck with > > what they decide for us, whether we like it or not. > > > > And some folks WOULD plunk now for unfirm features (and there's no big > > gorilla around MAKING anyone plunk -- it's a CHOICE one makes), with > > the personal SELF-assurance that if it isn't what they want, they can > > come here and sell it on the reflector, fast. > > > > 73, Guy. > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I'm waiting for someone to take a VIDEO so that we can see the refresh rate of the thing But from the sounds of it it sounds like there are still a lot of optimizations that are going on to attempt to improve that refresh rate... ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 16:57 -0600, Dave Quick - KØEKL wrote: > Below is a link to a couple photos of the new Elecraft P3 panadapter which I > took today at the Orlando Hamcation. > > Eric, WA6HHQ, said he expected the price to be around $700.00 (no commitment > here - price subject to change) and he hopes to begin shipping sometime in > April. He said that production and shipping is limited by availability of > the LCD screen vendor to supply product. > > Here's the link: www.flickr.com/photos/47514...@n06/ > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I'm not happy with the expeceted price of the P3, but even I know that I'm not getting "sucked into" anything... Did he really think that once he paid his money he couldn't back out? Seriously? Highly questionable business practice? Please > From: br...@livecomputers.com > To: nn4x.st...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:04:50 -0800 > CC: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation > > They would have refunded your money if you wanted to back out you > weren't sucked into anything. > > ~Brett > > > On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 11:08 -0500, S Sacco wrote: > > Guy - > > > > Please don't forget that Elecraft sucked in quite a few of us on the K3 by > > promising wildly optimistic delivery dates. I consider that to be a highly > > questionable business practice. > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV > > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Dave - AB7E > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Are the feature list and specifications now firm? And if so, what are > > > they? I would have thought that anyone contemplating spending $700 for any > > > box, even with the Elecraft name on it, would want to know what it does > > > before sending off the check. > > > > > > > > > > I should note that putting a prototype, and then later a working early > > > model in front of the public for comment at some convention-style > > > event, is RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. Early ham feedback at hamfests is > > > essential, and it too is R&D. > > > > > > It's only the customers (and pent up demand) that are mistakenly > > > insisting that they are slow. You want the kind of innovation and > > > service they are known for, you have to wait. It's not a flaw or > > > laziness, or some kind of commie plot to rob us of our toys. It's > > > careful business. Good stuff at good prices is the hardest thing to > > > do. What was that thing, you can have two of the three, quick, > > > quality, low price? (Personally, I'm betting quality AND low price is > > > at the root of the amp thing, I'll wait.) > > > > > > I wonder if anyone has noticed businesses going down for getting even > > > close to the edge these days? Hello? The early plunk for the K3 was > > > a VOLUNTARY early alternative financing scheme. Lot better than them > > > being leveraged by a bank that pulls the plug on them for completely > > > unrelated reasons. Any Rip Van Winkle types please check the > > > financials for the last couple of years for historical information and > > > note that Ronald Reagan is not president any more. > > > > > > Personally, I want Elecraft around for a while. Conservative business > > > practices with no screeching tires at cliff's edge is just super > > > peachy fine by me. There is no TARP fund bailout for Elecraft. They go > > > down, we're back to getting our stuff from Yakencom and stuck with > > > what they decide for us, whether we like it or not. > > > > > > And some folks WOULD plunk now for unfirm features (and there's no big > > > gorilla around MAKING anyone plunk -- it's a CHOICE one makes), with > > > the personal SELF-assurance that if it isn't what they want, they can > > > come here and sell it on the reflector, fast. > > > > > > 73, Guy. > > > __ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Does anyone know if this is a kit (likely a simple kit?) or something that is all ready to be plugged in and used? 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
To all, Let's stay cool on the speculation here for a while until more facts are available. Eric is in Orlando, and I am certain when he returns, there will be information on the Elecraft website about the P3, and maybe even the price. Wait until at least Wednesday so Eric can clear his email overload on Monday and Tuesday! The cost of the P3 will be what it can be. Elecraft must figure out how is allocated to the R & D budget, how much for productions costs, etc. Eric and Wayne will make that cost as low as practical - IMHO, there is no sense in us speculating on how much it should be. In the end, we each will have to make our decisions based on our own perceived value-added for our operating experience. I for one will not likely buy the P3, maybe later, but definitely not at this time. I do not have need nor desire for a standalone panoramic display. Yes, I am working on a Z1/Softrock solution to add that function to my K3. I do not mind having a computer up and running while I am hamming - that is a normal state of affairs for me. I will wait and see how my homebrew LP-PAN works out for me - I foresee benefit when I run digital modes, but just how much remains to be seen - I may or may not like it. The bottom line is - All this haggling about what the top price should be - well, that is your individual clip point - it will not be the same for everyone. Some will buy it at any cost, just because it is Elecraft and matches the K3, and on the other end of the scale, there are those who must weigh the benefit for their operation against the actual cost and make a decision about the P3 or some other alternative. I for one do not take my K3 along on trips or DXpeditions (I take my QRP K2), but I can see benefit for the standalone P3 for those who do want to take that sort of package with them. In the end, each will have to weight the advantages and disadvantages against their ham budget and operating desires, then reach a conclusion. Too much pre-mature and speculative posting on this subject has already transpired in my opinion. but have at it, my delete key is now working. 73, Don W3FPR The Smiths wrote: > Fair enough, you make a good point, $50 is a little close.. So I would say > that $525 to $600 should be the top number. I'll take the extra $100 you > want to over pay and use it to help buy me another Begali or GHD Key! :) > > (let's not even get into those numbers!) > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - P3 combination
Well said, Don. Rose will have both a single P3 cover and a combination K3/P3 cover as soon as I get mine ... for dimensions. (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Photo taken at Orlando
Dick KA5KKT wrote: > 14.62.8..? Clearly- early beta firmware needs some tweaks. My guess is that this should probably have read 14.062.8 Nothing like good lively, pre-release product debate, huh? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ERR 12V???
Thanks guys for all of the input. This is an older K3 serial 1085. I have done some of the mods to it, but still more to do. I have not had a chance to get the rig apart yet. I did look at the breaker and it is OK. The fans are stuck on High and I have not had a chance to do anything else. Craig WØLV -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-ERR-12V-tp4567085p4568792.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3
Emilse, WARNING - a lot of what follows is my personal opinion, but indicates my satisfaction with Elecraft products in general. I cannot decide for you, but if you are looking for a top performing receiver that has the promise that it can be upgraded easily without selling your current rig and buying the latest model, then the K3 is for you. Elecraft always has offered mod kits at reasonable prices to bring your K1/K2/KX1/K3 up to the latest level - I don't believe that is possible with any other radio on the market. Most manufacturers simply offer a "new" product with the upgrades included. My K2 is over 10 years old and is up to date with the currently shipped models, and I expect the same of my K3 10 years from now. I don't know your budget for your next radio purchase, but the K3 can be purchased in the 'stripped down' model, and updated with options as your budget and operating needs dictate. My K3 is the stock K3/100 (except for the FM filter), and it serves my purposes well. If I were to suddenly want to seriously chase DX or get involved in contesting, I would add the KRX3 and additional filters, and maybe some extras like the KDVR3. To me, the K3 is expandable to fit my operating needs and requirements - for right now, I need nothing more than the basics, and Elecraft gives me the opportunity to pick and choose which of those options I want to have - I don't have to deplete my ham budget with functionality that I know I will not use enough to appreciate the value. What I am trying to say is that the K3 is a top performing transceiver (look at the ARRL and Sherwood ratings) in any combination of the options, so if you are seeking a top performing radio, then the K3 is worthy of serious consideration. It is one of the lower cost radios because of the options offered - see the 2010 ARRL Handbook chapter 14 where the K3 falls into 3 of the categories, Mid-range, Upper Mid-Range, and Top-Drawer simply because of the options that are available. The receiver performance for all 3 categories is the same, and you can "grow" your K3 from the Mid-Range to Top-Drawer just by adding options. With the addition of the K144XV, it becomes a 160 thru 2 meter transceiver in any of those 3 categories. On the downside, some have commented that there are not enough buttons and knobs (some would like a bigger front panel) - I don't know your desires in this area, so I cannot comment other than to say the K3 has had high acceptance with DXers and contesters, and they do not have a major problem with the econometrics. The K3 is highly configurable for extreme operating conditions through its menu system, but some consider that a downside because of the many menu controlled variations possible. My answer to that is that the default settings are there for normal use, and the deviations from those defaults are available for more extreme situations - the K3 can be configured to your particular needs, but you may have to do some studying of the menu system to take advantage of this flexibility - as I said, the default settings will suffice for those who do not want to go to the trouble of 'messing with the menu', but it surprises me that so many want their radio to work to perfection in extreme situations "right out of the box" with no effort on the part of the operator. I hope I have not discouraged you (or any other perspective K3 owner), but those are the facts as I see them. The K3 is a highly configurable, high performance radio that has a long life expectancy. It will work well "right out of the box", but has the flexibility to be configured to your needs and desires. If your budget for a new radio is between $1450 (K3/10) and $4700 (fully loaded), then choose the options that you want for your transceiver and order your K3, you will not be disappointed. 73, Don W3FPR Emilse Peraza wrote: > HI all , I am considering to buy a new radio and I am between the K3 and the > IC 7600, I have read very good things about K3, although I don't know anybody > near me that have one, so I would like to hear comments in why to go for the > K3 and if someone live near Ogden UT that would like to shoe me their K3 > would be awesome. TNX > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] KPA100 - Problems on 15m
I completed building my KPA100 a few weeks ago. It passed all tests and checks all the way through. However, today I noticed something strange. I'm operating in the CQ WPX RTTY contest this weekend and spent most of the day on 20m with the Power set to 50W. I went to 15m to try it out. With the Power control still set to 50W I hit the Tune button to get my remote autotuner to tune to 15m. The K2 and my external power meter indicated the normal 20W, as it should in Tune mode when the power is set higher than 20W. When I went to transmit RTTY (without touching the Power control), my external power meter barely indicated 10 watts. This only happens on 15m. As an experiment, I went to the CW portion of the band. Tune gives you 20W. Keying the transmitter with my paddles give me 50W. Any ideas would be appreciated. 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 - Problems on 15m
Ken, That does not make sense. The Power output for RTTY is no different than CW (or TUNE) except that the audio input to the K2 is different from CW. There is no band to band difference for the K2 - AFSK modulation is AFSK modulation no matter which band it is on. I would be looking for RF Feedback problems on 15 meters. Try it into a dummy load and see if things are normal - if so, look at your antenna system or the solution. OTOH, if all bands behave the same way when operated into a dummy load, then look to your RTTY driving software and whatever interface you are using. Actually, RTTY AFSK is more related to SSB transmission than CW, so try SSB as well. If SSB transmission os OK, then your RTTY driving system is suspect (but would be the same on all bands). If your problems are confined to only 15 meters, then look at the possibility of RF Feedback on 15 meters. 73, Don W3FPR Ken Alexander wrote: > I completed building my KPA100 a few weeks ago. It passed all tests and > checks all the way through. However, today I noticed something strange. > > I'm operating in the CQ WPX RTTY contest this weekend and spent most of the > day on 20m with the Power set to 50W. I went to 15m to try it out. With the > Power control still set to 50W I hit the Tune button to get my remote > autotuner to tune to 15m. The K2 and my external power meter indicated the > normal 20W, as it should in Tune mode when the power is set higher than 20W. > > When I went to transmit RTTY (without touching the Power control), my > external power meter barely indicated 10 watts. This only happens on 15m. > > As an experiment, I went to the CW portion of the band. Tune gives you 20W. > Keying the transmitter with my paddles give me 50W. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > 73, > > Ken Alexander > VE3HLS > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2685 - Release Date: 02/13/10 > 03:43:00 > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Man Hospitalized - related incident
Some relaxation time in this world of brutes have never harmed a person. It's a hobby first ! Cheers Philippe A65BI K3#3616 *Elecraft, by Hams, for Hams...What else ! >>> Radio Amateur N5GE 10-02-2010 19:26 >>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:16:02 EST, k...@aol.com wrote: Enough. This is not an audition reflector for comedians. Please take it off line. Thanks, Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com K3 #806 with SUB RX, K3 #1055, PR6, XV144, XV432, KRC2, W1, 2 W2's and other small kits 1 K144XV on order http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net >In a related incident, another ham-radio enthusiast, Hezekiah Bambershoot, >of Ft Jackson, was arrested at police headquarters for disorderly conduct >and assaulting a police officer. Bambershoot initially came to >headquarters reporting he had been victimized buying a radio from a >mysterious >Californian named Ellie Craft. > >Ms Craft allegedly took advantage of Bambershoot by claiming to have >down-conversion which he mistook for a syndrome of the same name. >Bambershoot >was happy with his purchase until his friends told him how foolish he had >been. > >According to Police spokesman, Ken Wood, "The poor man was distraught and >raving about roofing filters. What the heck are they?" The arrest report >filed by fellow-ham and officer, Ike Com, listed Bambershoot's original >complaint as "radio mushiness" but notes, "I told him all my radios sound >mushy but he was upset he couldn't hear it on his. When we tried to calm him >down he became unruly." > >Su Yae, an EMT called to the scene, defended Bambershoot saying, "When I >got there he was on the floor repeating 'A, G, C, Slope, Pre and A T T' over >and over. He was babbling. They claimed he was clicking his heels but I >didn't hear anything. The poor man was just frustrated because his >purchase had so many faults he couldn't find. I feel sorry for him." > >Bambershoot is being held on $10,000 bond. Police are still searching for >the elusive Ellie Craft. > >Buck >k4ia > >In a message dated 2/9/2010 6:22:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >alor...@sbcglobal.net writes: >MAN HOSPITALIZED WITH ANXIETY OVER HAM RADIO > >Southland County Morning News > >Southland -- A ham radio enthusiast was admitted to County Hospital today >suffering from anxiety over what he perceived as serious problems with his >new radio, authorities reported Tuesday. > >Irv Stumpo, 55, of East Pharsalia, checked into the emergency room "in >distress," according to the nurse on watch just before midnight Tuesday. "He >was perspiring profusely and moaning over and over, 'My K-3 is no good, no >good'," said Paula Stevens, a nurse at County. "He had enormous headphones >clamped tightly on his head which we had a ton of difficulty removing, and >he was also wearing ear buds," she said. "Isn't that strange? He was half >incoherent but kept mumbling something about dynamic range and audio >artifacts. I have no idea what that means." > >Randy LaHood, a fifteen year emergency room veteran, said that during an >examination Mr. Stumpo went into considerable technical detail about a radio >he had recently purchased from Elecraft, a company that makes high-end ham >radios. "He began by explaining that his radio had 'noisy receiver' and >'mushy signals'," explained Dr. LaHood. "From what I could gather, he had >just spent a lot of money on a radio and hadn't actually noticed any of these >problems himself, but others in a internet group kept putting the ideas >into his head," he said. Over a course of weeks, Stumpo became distraught >over >various imperfections in what Dr. LaHood said was a classic case of the >power of suggestion. > >The hospital records also said that Stumpo drew mathematical figures he >labeled "AGC slope", and filled four pages by writing "AGC off", "Ear >Isolation" and "K3" repeatedly. Hospital officials could not explain the >cryptic >scribblings. > >Dr. LaHood said that Stumpo repeated the phrase "mushy AGC" for at least >four hours while he waited for treatment. Other patients who were in the >waiting room at the time moved to the other side of the room for fear he >might >endanger them. J. B. Archer was one of those in the waiting room at the >time who had brought in his twelve-year-old son with a basketball injury. >"Good ol' boy was pretty upset, I just told him it would be alright, but he >wouldn't let up with 'I can't pick out the pileups'. I thought he had been >involved in a big accident on the highway. Then he said other things like >'the impedance of my headphones' and 'ride the R. F. gain'. Then he started >with 'diversity problem' and I thought maybe he was having trouble with >racial relations. He was in terrible shape, I'll tell you that." > >Rick Culver, president of a local ham radio club, told the Morning News in >a telephone interview, "A lot of these guys spend five or ten thousand >dollars on a r
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I had the IC756PRO series from 2001 to last August and at first I was impressed with the scope function but in a short time I found that it was not terribly useful but was fun to look at. It was lacking a waterfall capability which the P3 (as well as PowerSDR-IF) had which makes all the difference. Also, the bandwidth displayed by the 756PRO is much less than that capable of the P3 and PowerDDR-IF. I'm afraid that the scope display of the 756PRO doesn't come close to the usefulness P3, from what I've seen, or to PowerSDR-IF. 73, Ted, W2ZK On 2/13/2010 8:04 PM, KM4VX wrote: > The P3 looks and appears to act much like the excellent screen which is > integrated into my IC 756 PRO 3. Since we like the K3 so much Elecraft > decided to compete with a separate panadapter like the P3, rather than a > K4. I think the LP-PAN kit for $175.00, with free software connected to a > computer that anyone who wants a panadapter has anyway, represents a much > better investment for me. I can run all sorts of software with the LP-PAN. > The P3 is just the scope addition to the 756 in its own box. I don't think > the P3 market is there except as we are now marketing it. This is a > sophisticated and tech savvy group; maybe just too loose with its cash Of > course I will be proven wrong, which is okay because I wish the company all > the best. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Brett - While we're thinking about stuff...where do you suppose most of the components inside the P3 were manufactured? Regarding support...I don't know...HP (hardware) and Microsoft (OS) seem to have pretty large websites with lots of information on them...and plenty of updates...especially Microsoft security patches that they so like to dump on us every few Tuesdays. :-) Yeah, Elecraft support is excellent, but the flip side is that the company has a tendency to sell products that are not quite ready yet. I know; my first K3 was delivered 9 months after it was first promised. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Brett Howard wrote: > All of that equipment was made by teams of Chinese people who are paid > very poorly and aren't treated all that well either. The P3 is a labor > of love put together by a select few engineers. Its probably built by > people in California with health coverage, life insurance, and a decent > living wage... > > Not to mention that Elecraft provides excellent support beyond that of > the sale! You're not going to get that from the company that made that > computer. You're not going to be informed of hardware modifications and > upgrades that will improve your system with well done step by step > documentation written up on how to perform the mods. Not to mention > that they'll even kit the parts to you if you can't find them on your > own. You get more than just the hardware for your 700 bucks! > > Just something to think about! Personally I see it as a little high but > still yet very fair! > > ~Brett (KC7OTG) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3
Dear Emilse, Welcome. ON4UN, one of the low band masters sold out its 2 Ten Tech Orion around 2 years ago and get 2x K3's... It is not an hazard and John easily convinced me. Considering my job I have tested/used all pro and ham products on the market from decades and I'm a proud Electrafter today. No other "usual" Ham radio provider are able to provide such good after sale service and one of the major point: they are listening the users comments in order to upgrade the rigs on the right way to our satisfactory. Bst 73's Philippe A65BI (F5LTB) K3#3616 *Elecraft, by Hams, for Hams...What else ! >> Emilse Peraza 14-02-2010 4:59 >>> HI all , I am considering to buy a new radio and I am between the K3 and the IC 7600, I have read very good things about K3, although I don't know anybody near me that have one, so I would like to hear comments in why to go for the K3 and if someone live near Ogden UT that would like to shoe me their K3 would be awesome. TNX EMILSE KE7EOZ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Philippe TROTTET Head of Field Telecom Unit - DUBAI United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees International Humanitarian City Office Building Nº3 - Room 2, 1st Floor Doha Street PO BOX: 506013 DUBAI - U.A.E. Dubai time: GMT +4 W: Sunday to Thursday HQ Ext: 7120 Vsat: xx 41 22 7120 External: +971 4 3601753 +41 22 739 7120 Mobile: +971 504531756 Website: www.unhcr.org ( http://www.unhcr.org/ ) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] DX Convention Survey
For more than 60 years the NCDXC and SCDXC have tirelessly sponsored one of the most popular conventions for DXers and Contesters, the International DX Convention held in Visalia, CA. I have been a regular attendee for more than 30 years and hope to attend for another 30 years. The unofficial, unsolicited, non-binding survey below is being conducted by K5RC and N7TR for only one purpose; to give the sponsors a set of data that accurately represents the current "Voice of the Customer." This is not a movement to "change" anything, just to provide data for what is being done well and what might be improved. Having chaired ham conventions for 7 years, including the 1983 ARRL National, I am aware that the committees seldom get objective input and more often get complaints from a vocal minority that may not accurately reflect the consensus. Please participate in the survey if you have been to the IDXC in the past or would attend "if" something were different. Please pass this email and survey to any and all DXers and Contesters you may know. RESPONSE DEADLINE IS FEBRUARY 28, 2010. CLICK HERE TO TAKE THE SURVEY: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/C65BS9W Your input will remain anonymous. Thanks! Tom Taormina, K5RC Virginia City NV Home of W7RN and K7RC http://k5rc.cc FOC 1760 "Communication is the problem to the answer" - 10cc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 remote operation
I have a friend that is considering the K3, Omni VII and the FT-2000. Easy remote operation is important to him. I think he prefers the K3 but I can't help him with how easy it is to remote with the K3 as I haven't tried it nor do I have any interest. I would appreciate any input that I can forward on to him. Thanks and 73 Bill NZ0T -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-operation-tp4569071p4569071.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net
Good Evening, I am a bit late getting this out tonight but I have had a very busy day. Most of the week has provided mild weather and one very nice day of sun and warmth. However, the very next day it was pouring and cold. Then the rain started to look odd; kind of thick. Then it turned white. I thought my fire had gone out and kept checking it. No the fire was going but the outside temperature had dropped considerably. Snow storm number eleven (I have been keeping track this year) was not turning the ground white but, still, it was snow. By the way, early in the week I saw the first flowers of spring: snow drops. On the other hand the sun has become much more active over the last few days. While we have only had two days without a sunspot all year this week the sun provided us with an M class flare which opened 15 and even 10 meters yesterday. Today 15 meters is still open to a few areas and the sun continues to spout ionizing radiation. A coronal hole has also added a CME which, even though it is mild, has caused some aurora. All in all things are looking good radio-wise. Time to start checking those beacons and call a few CQs on the upper bands. I need to hook up my 6 meter loop again and see who I can work. Please join us tomorrow evening. 1) Hail signs (first letter or two of the suffix of your call) 2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP help) Sunday 2300z (Sunday 3 PM PST) 14050 kHz Monday z (Sunday 4 PM PST) 7045 kHz Stay warm, Kevin. KD5ONS - __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote operation
Not having any experience in remote operating before I was able to easily remote my K3 using the software package TRX Manager. 73 Greg AB7R NZ0T wrote: > I have a friend that is considering the K3, Omni VII and the FT-2000. Easy > remote operation is important to him. I think he prefers the K3 but I can't > help him with how easy it is to remote with the K3 as I haven't tried it nor > do I have any interest. I would appreciate any input that I can forward on > to him. > > Thanks and 73 Bill NZ0T > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
You're comparing apples to oranges, Joe. PowerSDR and other SDR apps which use sound card interfaces have to process a whole lot more data than the K3 does. So do the sound cards and their drivers. The K3 is concerned with the speech passband, while many of the SDR apps process hundreds of kHz worth of bandwidth in realtime. For kicks, I just ran a quick test using LP-PAN/PowerSDR-IF v1.19.02. I compared the timing of the K3 output to the PC sound card output for 7 different sound cards on two PCs, an older P4 desktop and a year old, dual core laptop. I also tried several different SDR apps, but not all the apps were capable of providing sound card output with all the cards. I used 192 kHz sampling whenever possible, with a buffer setting of 2K and ASIO driver. In general, I found a delay range of about 15-30mS, depending on card, app and sample rate. With the popular E-MU 0202 USB card and PowerSDR-IF at 192 kHz using the standard settings, the result was 21mS (1/50 of a second) on my laptop. PowerSDR was no worse than the other apps. The delay has never really bothered me. I don't listen to both the K3 and PowerSDR at the same time... at least not the same signal. I mainly listen to PowerSDR in MultiRX mode when running split so that I have dual receivers, or when listening to AM broadcast. Otherwise, I just listen to the K3 and use PowerSDR only as a pan display. Contrary to your comment that PowerSDR is the worst part of the Flex radios, a lot of Flex owners only migrated to the K3 after seeing that they could still use PowerSDR, which was their favorite part of the Flex radio. I have heard this comment more times than I can count. 73, Larry N8LP > Don't forget that the LP Pan allows you to run the SDR-IF > software suite. Why would you brag about bringing the worst part of the Flex-radio to the K3? PowerSDR is the worst interface in the world for a radio ... the FFT delays make the K3 monitor sound instantaneous. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-P3-panadapter-at-the-Orlando-Hamcation-tp4564111p4569459.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
